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[tacit nest]

have a W day peeps

[woven ingot]

"Only"? ^^

[round glacier]

Happy new year to eu btw

[woven ingot]

Same for you Midget!

Happy new year too ^^

[timid stirrup]

sorry bout yesterday bro. i passed out cuz i work at 1am

[tacit nest]

aye dont trip bro

work important

[timid stirrup]

but happy new bro and happy new year everyone else

[timid stirrup]

normally i stay up a lil later cuz i dont need much sleep but i didnt get a power nap in so i was tired

[timid stirrup]

well in comparison to 375% on ice that he mentioned "only" seemed like a fitting word to use

[tacit nest]

i bet ts hit too lmfao

[timid stirrup]

sure did

[hidden creek]

well not really
poison lotus build don't have any sj that increase elemental blast dmg
ice does, frozen blast + 35%

so with the same attributes value, ice build will have higher number of elemental dmg compare to poison

tbf i don't even think that going that high on a specific stat is good, cause of diminishing returns
but i don't know exactly how output dmg was calculated so eh

[woven ingot]

@hidden creekthere is soemthing weird, I tried to precast the skill like in the video. But something isn't working.
Precasting charged at 2sec from the start, then aegis break then skill, is always an Ice Blast.
Precasting the skill at 3 sec then precasting second charged and aegis break, no Ice Blast.

The skill does trigger, the damage is done, but no Ice explosion for me.

[hidden creek]

wdym weird

it's normal?

2nd charge + aegis break + skill = ice blast
skill + 2nd charge + aegis break = no ice blast?
u mean this?

[woven ingot]

Yep

[hidden creek]

that's weird

[timid stirrup]

is there a soft cap on stats?

[woven ingot]

I can reproduce it 100% of the time. I precast the skill, then 2nd charge + aegis break, I don't have an ice blast.
While my normal gameplay, precast 2nd charge + aegis break + skill is always an Ice Blast.

[hidden creek]

you don't event need aegis break to trigger ice blast

just F + 2nd charge is enough

well that's what happens in training room

i'll try on yama

oh

the sense cap

[woven ingot]

The skill do damage, I see the boss hp bar go down, then the 2nd charge hits, then AB, but no Ice Blast.

[hidden creek]

yeah

because the boss sense is too high ig

[woven ingot]

But why does it works if you do it the other way?

[hidden creek]

but that doesn't explain why 2nd charge + aegis break + skill = ice blast

yeah

[timid stirrup]

a hit in the skill might b missing

[woven ingot]

skill gives a buff to damage, so having it first should be a good idea. But seems it does something to element accumulation

[timid stirrup]

i thinki its 4 hits in the skill

3 my bad

[woven ingot]

Yeah something with the precasting. If i wait the fight to start, use the skill then 2nd charge it works.

[timid stirrup]

so ur placement oif precasted skill is missing a hit

[hidden creek]

hmm no

even if it does 3 hits

still not enough to trigger ice blast

but i think i might know the reason why this happens

it's because of tundra might i think

[woven ingot]

That could be it

Checked the video, he doesn't have a triiger either, he uses bow twice for it

[hidden creek]

because your F gives the most element accumulation
and tundra might & sub zero seal don't works before the boss was summoned, only after it was summoned then they started working

and because you precast the F, it didn't benefits from the attack increase buff of tundra might

therefore not enough element accumulated for ice blast

but if you do 2nd charge > aegis break > skill then it's enough

[woven ingot]

That explains it.

Not sure I want to precast F that way.

He run around the problem with two bow hits, but i'm not gonna do that

[hidden creek]

yeah prolly he also didn't realize

[fierce light]

Poison has an extra Bloomblast though per Elemental Burst. Just if you land Infectious Touch though.

[hidden creek]

i mean the stats shows on the jade setup page

not the real stats you get when you're attacking

[fierce light]

Actually Successive Ice Blast probably makes them have an even base

[hidden creek]

oh huh actually poison blast dmg could go even higher lol

[fierce light]

Yeah they have a somewhat even base elemental dmg.

Ice Build

• Successive Ice Blast: +685% of Attack
• 3 Bloomblasts • Ice: +1491% of Attack
  Poison Build
• Poison Blast: 406% of Attack
• 4 Bloomblasts • Poison: 1680% of Attack

Totals

• Ice: 2176% of Attack
• Poison: 2086% of Attack

[hidden creek]

no no you don't get what i'm saying

[fierce light]

I hate that they made Toxin Blast still require 6 stacks tho

[hidden creek]

what i'm saying is on this UI

[fierce light]

I kinda came in late in the convo, but was just talking about the base elemental dmg per burst.

The max elemental dmg bonus will differ tho

[hidden creek]

with ice build with 30% ice blast on each sj and 8 wf and ice potential, this ''ice blast dmg bonus'' will show 375%

that's what i'm saying

[fierce light]

Yup, with it's in-game max being 420%.

[hidden creek]

yeah but it's not the convo... nvm

[fierce light]

Poison's max being 390%, both on display and in-game.

Yeah kinda going on a tangent

[woven ingot]

It seems I can't really do better than that going all in :/
So maybe rerolling the scorches into "dmg to boss" or "dmg to aegis".

[hidden creek]

leggo migosha

yourgosha is migosha

[fierce light]

Ice Build

• Elemental DMG per Elemental Burst
• • x1 Successive Ice Blast + x3 Bloomblast • Ice = 2176% of Attack
• Max Ice Blast DMG Bonus
• • 375% (In-display) | 420% (In-game)

Poison Build

• Elemental DMG per Elemental Burst
• • x1 Poison Blast + x4 Bloomblast • Poison = 2086% of Attack
• Max Poison Blast DMG Bonus
• • 390%

Managed 45s, still missing 3 Windfalls though.

[woven ingot]

That's another build, but seems like it worked your way ^^

[fierce light]

Used Arcane Thunder to proc Poison Blast faster

Skill + 2nd Charged Vertical

Only really worth in Yama's though I think

[woven ingot]

For the 3 WF missing, what do you use?

[hidden creek]

welp the convo was this
i said that optimal build on ice lotus with 8wf and maxed ice blast on all jades then the number will be 375%
Flip said that he ''only have 330% poison blast and that's so low compare to 375% ice''
then what i said basically means that poison blast dmg is not the same as ice blast dmg, even if their value looks equal

so the numbers actually don't have much meaning

when you compare 2 builds

[fierce light]

Yeah

330% Poison Blast DMG would be around 360% Ice Blast DMG w/ Frozen Blast in-game or 315% in-display.

[timid stirrup]

if i remove my defuse recovery i would have 390

[timid stirrup]

i would love to use this build but my miasma drive is a double mod so it stays

[fierce light]

I don't have any defuse recovery

[drifting lance]

🎉 | DarK Zer0 leveled up!

[woven ingot]

What do you use as placeholder for the 3 missing WF?

[timid stirrup]

dmg to boss prolly

[fierce light]

Yeah, DMG to boss

[woven ingot]

Alright, I will try that starting after reset tomorrow.

[fierce light]

Doesn't help the Poison stuff much, but helps Toxin Blast.

[woven ingot]

I'm playing Ice, so that should work.

[timid stirrup]

this is where my stats r at now with almost completely maxed stats

[fierce light]

Are you replacing a Poison Blast DMG with Defuse triggers Recovery?

[timid stirrup]

yea

i mean I could replace an atk for pb dmg

that was my dilemma b4 i got my 8th wf

which to replace for defuse recovery

but im thinking of replacing defuse recovery

[fierce light]

Yeah Attack is more minor cause of it's much smaller %

[timid stirrup]

but it has kept me alive

[woven ingot]

Does it heal decently?

[timid stirrup]

nice then settles it. i'll replace my atk for pb dmg on next pity

soon as i max that stat it will be 400 recovery per defuse

which for bosses with chain attacks helps me out pretty well

[woven ingot]

I can get that. It's nice to have some room for breathing.

[timid stirrup]

but i also learned that i was playing the build partially wrong after watching someone (cant remember who) and reviewing n comparing to my playstyle and noticed i was doing some things wrong

so i couldve done better

its not to the point that i would remove my defuse recovery just yet cuz i like knowing i have some form of heal

[woven ingot]

That's good to be able to compare and discuss the little details that can make the difference in a build. The kinda "tricks" parts.

[hidden creek]

it's kinda weird

this is my stat with 4 mod 4 windfalls though

🤔 why is it not so far off from your 8 wf? and i have noticeably higher dmg to boss

[timid stirrup]

ur dmg to boss replaces the wf's

[hidden creek]

yeah but i mean if pblast dmg, attk and dmg to boss are 3 different layers of the dmg multiplier and are treated equally as direct dmg multiplier

isn't it better to spread them out to avoid diminishing returns?

[timid stirrup]

let me check what my atk will b after replacing it with pb dmg. im only 17 casts away from pity

[hidden creek]

if so then isn't it dmg to boss > windfall? 🤔 make no sense

eventhough we don't have the exact equation for the final output dmg calculation

but still

[timid stirrup]

so my atk drops to 385 and pb is now 390

[woven ingot]

One passed, over ... 100 tries?
I'm not quite there I think 😂

[hidden creek]

you actually went for it lol

[woven ingot]

Of course I did, I got no fatigue left, so spending time with Manticore 😛

[fierce light]

Passed what

[woven ingot]

Killing her the way it's on the video, going all in in the thunder phase.

[tacit nest]

do yall save your fluxes and fragments??

because how do yall have multiple mods and winds

will almost maxed percentages on blas damages

[woven ingot]

Nope, all go into my only build.

[fierce light]

Haven't maxed a build yet, so been pouring them into my builds

Getting the first rare attribute isn't that bad

It's the 2nd ones that are a killer

[tacit nest]

im just baffled on how yall have almost max poison lotus builds already

im working my balls off and im moving like a snail compared

[timid stirrup]

4/6 of my jades were from last season and were pretty beefy

2 of them were completely maxed out

[fierce light]

I have like half attributes on a few of my jades

[timid stirrup]

if not 3 of them

[fierce light]

Was able to max some of them just from failed rares

[tacit nest]

only other rares i got are my thunderscorch

but ion wanna debatch those jades

its genuinely just luck lol??

[fierce light]

I still have my Thunderscorch build

but yeah mostly luck

I get a rare usually around 100-120 recasts.

[tacit nest]

can someone explain infectious touch to me

it says i can transfer it

i think my problem with this build is i just spam it instead of looking at how to do it properly

i need to learn it

[fierce light]

When you're poisoned. Any Aegis-Break Skill, Defuse Counterattack or 3rd attack in an Uncharged Attack Chain will transfer it.

Takes about 2s to get poisoned from Pestilent Pool

[tacit nest]

what about the entire lotus build?

the entire point is just to keep transfering it to enemy or what?

[fierce light]

Yeah you don't want to hold on to it

Earlier you get rid of it, the more you can heal from Poison Heal

When you transfer it, it applies 2 stacks of Toxified to the hit enemy, which spawns a Bloomblast/Lotus from Toxified Lotus

[tacit nest]

alr

ima just keep practicing

thank you

preciate the info

[hidden creek]

huh

this is confusing haha

[tacit nest]

I think he’s talking about the build in general. Everytime you damage???

Maybe

I’m still confused lol

I might be slow fr

[hidden creek]

no i mean everything he said is normal, when you got toxified you use it to get rid of your self-toxifed status and apply 2 stack of toxified onto target

and the sooner you get rid of it the better

what i don't understand is the ''but'' in ''But it also does 2 stacks of Toxified, which spawns a Bloomblast/Lotus''

😂

[thorn narwhal]

could dmg to boss 5% > attack 4% if bossing is the builds sole purpose ?

[hidden creek]

we don't know

because we don't know how exactly final output damages are calculated

[thorn narwhal]

more reasons to get stats into free training

[fierce light]

In most cases, no

Cause Attack multiplies with DMG Bonuses, while DMG Bonuses add together.

[thorn narwhal]

i see, attack it is then

[tacit nest]

So instead of attack on boss we should just go straight attack

On lotus builds

[hidden creek]

poison blast > attk > dmg to boss
so if you only got 1 rare on the jade you have to take dmg to boss anyway

[fierce light]

Yeah DMG to Boss is the 3rd stat

[hidden creek]

also i think the meta is settled

ice fire lotus > ice lotus > poison lotus in term of bossing
but the dmg diff between each build is just around 5~10% though

[fierce light]

Poison Lotus has an interesting interaction with mobbing as well

cause of Pestilent Pool + Toxified Lotus

[hidden creek]

ye, love them

only downside is sometime the ghastbloom happens too much and too quick it kills the mobs before my F hits

😂

[fierce light]

Yeah I have to intentionally position myself away from the small mobs

So I can throw my ability at them while the Ghastblooms hit the tankier ones

[hidden creek]

yep
that shipwreck map is a pain
when you're at 93% bar and moving toward the boss but your path is close enough to a camp

the range of the lotus explosion is ridiculously long

like

why do we even want it to be that long

[fierce light]

It's kinda like Skyfire, but I think it had a slightly longer range

That could just be the targeting preferring your closest target though.

[hidden creek]

well yeah

but the range is still too long

we don't need it to be that long

in like, every situation

[tacit nest]

think the devs will make changes?

[lapis sundial]

Anyone tryna run Nittri NS for a bit?

[hidden creek]

unless the chinese complain about it

else... meh

[lapis sundial]

Submit a Winnie the Pooh skin for Themulch or Yueshan

😂😂😂

[hidden creek]

LOL

[fierce light]

Well would still rather it hit something than nothing at all

[hearty rivet]

Does dragon boss resets itself pretty often when spawns at the northern spot of the shipwreck map to anyone else?

[fierce light]

Least it has manageable targeting as well unlike Skyfire did.

[tacit nest]

I can

[lapis sundial]

Still wanna run it?

[tacit nest]

yessir

been waiting

[lapis sundial]

Whats your ID?

[tacit nest]

10672000150169

[lapis sundial]

2 sec lemme use the restroom real fast

[tacit nest]

u gud

[lapis sundial]

Rdy up again it wasn't letting me start it

Lol

[fierce light]

Happy New Year!

[tacit nest]

happy new year pimps

[wind light]

thunder pull,counter with ghastbloom build good ?

that build

idk he other jade

[timid stirrup]

Mighty Lotus Counter is the other core jade in that build

[plain spire]

The thpull + thcounter + elem lotus + mighty counter + ghastbloom + succsisive ice blast actually pretty good. Im using it on my main account.

[hidden creek]

ehh aside from yueshan it's not worth it imo, even on yueshan which is the hero that make the most out of this build, the difference is still not that much

https://v.douyin.com/iy8U9k3M/

yueshan 444 vs ice

and if you're not yueshan, poison/ice is waaayyy easier to play than 444

[wind light]

what is 444

[hidden creek]

the build you asked

ned 4 mod 4 wind 4 scorch

hence the name

[wind light]

ah shiet

i cant access to douyin

can you share the video

[timid stirrup]

i thought he was talking about thunder lotus which is why i said might counter lotus was the other core jade.

444 is just so expensive that i dont think most ppl remember its an option

[hidden creek]

eh thunder lotus just out of the picture

it just sucks

[timid stirrup]

true

[fickle linden]

no fatigue

been doin showdown heroic tales 💀

https://tenor.com/view/beluga-the-cat-hakosh1307-hakosh-beluga-cat-hug-gif-22532913

[hidden creek]

which is why that build is the build that most ppl don't even remember it exist

and when ppl talk about ''the lotus build with thunderpull/counter'' most of the time it's the 444 build

[woven ingot]

@hidden creekdo you ever sleep? Or are you done with that annoying thing? 😂

[thorn narwhal]

korvine + defuse recovery is a bless

[timid stirrup]

main reason i wanna keep my 1 defuse recovery stat lol

how much recovery do u have on ur build @thorn narwhal

looked like 791

[thorn narwhal]

791 ye

i can't get any rares so the defuse is there for fun

[woven ingot]

It's doing a decent job in term of healing return.

[timid stirrup]

mine will cap at 400 but it still helps

[thorn narwhal]

ye u don't really wanna go beyond that

[timid stirrup]

i saw ur poison heal was 191/192

thats good to know

[thorn narwhal]

what even affects poison heal?

[timid stirrup]

i know there's a potential that causes it but i cant recall how its done

plus im at work so i cant even try to figure it out

[thorn narwhal]

ye thought it was a static number

doesn't scale

[timid stirrup]

i'll have to record 1 of my runs to see what mine does

whats ur 6th jade btw?

[thorn narwhal]

miasama

[timid stirrup]

same

[past pond]

wew manage to beat matron at 880 sense level 😂

[woven ingot]

Congrats, a good first day for that new year? 😉

[signal kite]

How many windfalls u skibidy have 💀

Ohh poison max at 390 so 8 wfs I see

[fickle linden]

man if i only could tell my brain to defuse like that, i get one and think i can start dps and take hits like idiot

[fierce light]

Usually wait for the boss to do 3 attacks before resuming attacking normally.

[timid stirrup]

8wf 4mod

[woven ingot]

When you will have spent a few hours with her (or any boss) you'll know every of their combo and know when you can punish and when you need to defuse again because there is not enough time for a punish.
Korvine P2 is one (if no THE) worst bosses when you start. Once you learn her she's one of the best bosses to fight. All her moves are clear, not BS combo variation, no crappy delayed attacks. She's very clear on what she's doing, and if you perform correctly it will go flawlessly.

[timid stirrup]

sometimes she shortens her combo

[woven ingot]

Bosses like Manticore P1 are way more troublesome because they can mix/change some of their combo moves, and the visual hints aren't very clear. Everything she does with her ball is ... "wtf are you gonna do?!" you can see which of the sub attacks she will do, but will she do 1-2-3 rolls before using the blue ball? No idea. Is it the terrible hug 4 hits area when she throws the ball into the air, or the delayed explosion, there may be a way to know, but it's definitely not clear on screen.

[granite marsh]

Idk man I found Manticore a lot easier to learn compared to Korvine and she's a boss for 3 seasons now

The ball move for example has visual cues on what he'll do

[woven ingot]

Yes for the roll, but how do you know it will be a "blue ball" one, or a normal one?

Same for when she throws the ball into the air, is it the 4hit combo aoe, or the delayed exploding ball?

[granite marsh]

Watch for the hands if he's throwing it up, he'll clap if its the aoe rain and not if its just the ball dropping

[woven ingot]

I thought it's how you'd recognize those two, but that's not easy as the hands are quite high into the air. And you need to react fast when she shows it. Which is sadfully not my forte ^^'

[granite marsh]

I should have a vid somewhere of that too but i'm fairly confident I misjudged the safe area

Not the best example but you get the point

[woven ingot]

You can defuse the first hit and then do 3 dodges, but the rythm is pretty hard to get sadfully.

[granite marsh]

He also does that little preparation to throw the ball up which is why I could react before the ball was even in the air

The little readjusting ball in hands move

[woven ingot]

That would make sense, but I stay on the "It's not very clear on screen".

[fierce light]

Eh even so, when he's doing the roll, there's no queue when it'll be a double hit. So that's 3 mixups there alone cause it can be on the first roll, 2nd roll or 3rd one.

Korvine you can tell what she's about to do based on the pose she does on the air. Or for HunDun if she jumps off of its back or not.

[granite marsh]

The cue is the yellow flash for me, the first defuse I did on the roll I was waiting for a yellow flash before confirming the counterattack. Second I saw it then dodged cause no defuse chain

[fierce light]

Yeah goodluck with that on Trios ping

Not that it hits overly hard

[granite marsh]

Still learning Korvine till this day just can't ever get that down

[hallow igloo]

can someone explain the best way to get the new lotus jades? doing manticore on nightscream is rly tough

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Noct leveled up!
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[timid stirrup]

Nirriti ns is another way to get them

[hallow igloo]

ok ty

[granite marsh]

Nightscream only for the Ghastbloom jade, you can do hard if you need anything else

[timid stirrup]

i think theres a purple lotus jade thats ns also

but im pretty sure its not what they r looking for

[fierce light]

Only Ghastbloom from the new Lotus jades is locked to Nightscream. Can get the ones that summon Lotuses from Enigma Topaz as well.

[tacit nest]

You just like me bro

I can almost always defuse manticore now but I get caught in tha combo by korvine

ISS over for me

[granite marsh]

Literally happening rn for me

[timid stirrup]

@fierce light when u have a chance can u explain how poison heal is activated or effected? Like is it a set value over a certain amount of time?

[fierce light]

I haven't tested it's potency or scaling, but just know it activates as soon as you're corrupted and can go net positive as long as you activate Infectious Touch fast enough.

[timid stirrup]

ok. cool in the video Mave posted earlier i saw 191/192 for poison heal but i think it was only 3 ticks

Oops 122 for 2 ticks

[eager lodge]

Hello, kindly is there immages of potential trees of poison and ice? Tranks

Or could you tell me where to find them?

[timid stirrup]

In the pins

[eager lodge]

Where is the pins?

[timid stirrup]

#👾┃showdown message

[fierce light]

If on mobile, you click the name of the channel. On PC you click the 📌 at the top right.

[hearty rivet]

I keep getting excessive moderation on my ice build 😭 Like the 4th time in a row, after having 100% already. (ON the plus side, slowly and steadily stats get better)

[woven ingot]

Welcome to the club of the "we can't get our WF" guys! ^^

[granite marsh]

Defuse Triggers Healing has no cap to it right? I quite like the survivability

[fierce light]

Yeah there's no cap to the attributes other than how much you can get on a Souljade

[tacit nest]

some drown while others die of thirst fr

what does godslayer for a character mean?

[hearty rivet]

top100 in last week's speedrun

[rough gate]

6 yellows and 12 purples per enigma with the booster on

[drifting lance]

🎉 | FrdayNytShwdwn leveled up!

[turbid scroll]

guys do you know how to finish this mission (upgrade rewards 2 times in (eradicating the evil )

[fierce light]

It's hard to do since a lot of them are bugged.

But you have to max the bar at the top for those green portals

[woven ingot]

Congrats, those are nice rewards!

[fickle linden]

do you guys do enigma with solo or trio?

[woven ingot]

Do it in solo, in trio it's nearly impossible to fill totally the bars.

[fickle linden]

i really should start running it

[woven ingot]

As everything else Enigma solo is easier/faster, as long as you can solo all the bosses. Go for trio if you're not confident yet.

[turbid scroll]

i don`t know what i suppose to do

[woven ingot]

Read Dark Zero's tutorial, it's very clear and you'll know everything about solo and how to do.

https://dark-zer0.github.io/Showdown/

Go to endgame / Enigma

You'll have everything there

[tacit nest]

got another windfall but still no mod

😭

how many windfall we need on poison lotus again?

[woven ingot]

I wish we could trade ^^

[fickle linden]

u can go full windfall i think

[tacit nest]

??

i thought we needed mod

[fickle linden]

i think dark zero guide said either 8 windfall and 4 mod or 12 windfall

[woven ingot]

Mod poison is like Ice: 8 Windfall, if I ain't mistaken.

[tacit nest]

oh shiiiii

ok

bet

watch now that i know that, gonna be nun but scorching from now on

[woven ingot]

Ahah, you got it :p

[dim chasm]

best skill tree for tessa?

[fierce light]

It's based on your Souljade build rather than the hero

[fringe quail]

who tryna run doom domain?

[fickle linden]

i've always done doom after im outta fatigue

does it give any decent loot or just better to do nirriti and doom without fatigue?

[tacit nest]

i was gonna say

i think the drops are doodoo

[woven ingot]

You can do them without using fatigue.

[fringe quail]

I do em for the 12* rewards

[tacit nest]

i got a question

if you got a goated build and your like darkzero good

what does the sense level of the jade have to do with anything

[fringe quail]

nothing

as long as you are 1sense level higher than the map you will do just as much as someone 300 above

[tacit nest]

craazzyyyyyy

they just make it so if your sense level low then bosses do ten times more damage

and you ten times less

[fickle linden]

goddammit

[rough gate]

god damn you or it ?

[fickle linden]

got lvl 3 scorching why not mod or windfaaaaaaaall

[rough gate]

zzzzzzzz

[tacit nest]

@fringe quail you still need one for doom?

havent really been good at it but i can keep up lol

[fierce light]

Higher your Sense than the enemy, the more damage you do

Lower your Sense, the less you do

[tacit nest]

dark where do you find this stuff

is there a link in the discord or sum?

[woven ingot]

All should be in the pinned messages here.

As for Dark, he's a NASA supercomputer disguised as a human, it's special.

[tacit nest]

bro just thinks sum and his brain constructs it into a pie chart for the community to see

thank you tho dark

[fierce light]

That was thanks to the CN players who found the formula for Sense Suppression. The rest I found out on my own.

[fickle linden]

lol i got scorching on sub-zero seal and tundra might im about to destroy these for flux jade and stay on poison

[tacit nest]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

poison is satisfying to use too

[proven flume]

till when is this season of showdown?

[tacit nest]

another 154 DAYS

[woven ingot]

5 more months.

[fickle linden]

[proven flume]

cool

[tacit nest]

can i get a rare attr on a jade with only three slots

or does there have to be four

[woven ingot]

Can even have one on an epic with 2 attributes.

[tacit nest]

CRAZ

bet

thanks

[fierce light]

Poison Lotus is keeping up with Thunder Scorch in Trio lobbies

So that's promising. Think Thunder Scorch just will pull ahead in Yama's cause of Parry Farming.

[woven ingot]

Thunderscorch will always have some advantages when you can retry indefinitely until you got the perfect run.
But it's nice that different builds have different interest according to the game mode. And not one build beating everything else everywhere.

[tacit nest]

instea of having atk on poisonlotus

could we change those to defuse triggers healing

how much dps would we lose

[fierce light]

Depends on how much Attack you had

If you're around 385 Attack, then losing 6% Attack (from a x1 Windfall piece) would be 4% DPS loss.

Yama's Abyss Information:

[tacit nest]

whats eerie?

[tacit nest]

i guess i can wait for more shrouded

[fickle linden]

does 150% reward help with forest peril miasma drive drop chance too?

[woven ingot]

You have 50% more Jades dropped, so 50% more chances to get it.
Unless they did something weird.

[woven ingot]

Eerie usually refers to a special buff on bosses. Giving them more damage than they should have in that mission. Pretty close to one-two shotting you with every hit.

After 1-2h spent with him Hellscorch in Yama isn't two shotting, but not super far from it.

[woven ingot]

you're sure about eerie? The Omen only say "hellhole", not mentioning the eerie. Is it never written in the Omen section, like a stealth buff?

[tacit nest]

ive basically studied all his attcks anyways

spent so much time with this boss

[woven ingot]

Eerie also give them combos they aren't supposed to use. If you tried Yama you saw that he was ding things he's not supposed to.

Heelscorch is usually a very nice boss fight for me. Very clear with nice combos.
The Eerie version just feels terrible. It's very chaotic, and on some attacks I just can't get the defuse done, so relaying on dodging instead. He will use combos you know, but also variation of combos or attacks you don't know.

[fickle linden]

do you know whats the % of jade being the legendary one dropped from that level and not just common one?

feels really rare or im very unlucky

[woven ingot]

And the worst being the 50% special phases on both forms. I'm pretty sure there is a trick to the parrying, but I don't see anything special, so it's random spam of parrying and countering and 30% of the time I pass, rest ... esc - restart.

[woven ingot]

Like most things: 5% chance to get a rare. But unlike Enigma/Nirriti where you get 10-15 Jades, on missions you only get...5? 7? So way less chance to proc that 5% rare.

[fickle linden]

alright thanks for the infoo

ill keep tryin

[woven ingot]

As it's not very clear, I'm not sure if the 5% applies to the common drops only or to the special item drop (the one you want).

[fickle linden]

i got one but it has very low stats and scorching so kinda wanna turn it into material aswel

or maybe i should go with some alternative instead of miasma drive

[woven ingot]

If you got lucky to get a rare attribute, it could be worth to destroy it and farm a new one. If you have the courage to do so that is.

[fierce light]

It's an alternate version with a slightly different moveset

and hits harder with more health.

[tacit nest]

different moveset?

lmfaoo

there goes my memorization of his moves

[woven ingot]

You'll recognize some of the moves, but be ready for some surprises. You'll have to memorize the new things. And there are .. some ^^

[fierce light]

The common drop pool being full of so much junk makes farming for specific Souljades a pain

Would be better if they had a secondary mission for farming those Souljades in the common pool rather than every mission.

[woven ingot]

@fierce light do you know any trick/method for the transition phases in P1 and P2?
Looking at the current ranking, no one seems to know anything special as they are in the same timing as i do. Except for Feria/Tianhai/Yueshan who got better timings, using their transformation to soak the transition in P2 and blast the boss.
Unlike Manticore, the Aegis seems quite unbreakable, way too much Aegis on their bar.

By transition I meant the 50% HP phase, where you parry projectiles, hoping it's your super lucky day.

[fierce light]

Yeah I think Paragon is entering the territory where breaking the Aegis becomes unrealistic unfortunately like last season.

Killing such a big mechanic of the game is annoying imo especially when they become so aggressive.

You can parry the ghosts

[woven ingot]

And beside aggressivity here it seems like it's pure rng to get your parry, and that feels very bad right now... So I hope there is a method to that phase, like there is for pretty much everything else.

[fierce light]

You parry one, and the rest will be automatic now

They made you able to chain parries on that attack

[chrome seal]

How did you get it? How many attempts? Did you use souljades with luck stats?

[sullen pawn]

wait for real?

since when

[woven ingot]

Yeah that's the only way for a speed kill.
Huh? Doesn't seem to work for me, except at the end when there are multiple projectiles at .3 sec interval (you parry 3 in one go).

I'll try to parry the first (hello RNG some love please) and don't touch anything to see if it auto parry the whole sequence.
But we'll be missing the big damage done by punishing the successful parries if that works.

[fierce light]

Must've been a change in the last patch

[woven ingot]

Woot!! That works !!

If you don't touch anything you got the whole sequence parried. Awesome.
You still need luck on the first parry.

[sullen pawn]

defuse first ghost, dodge cancel into parry

easier than parrying straight up+

[woven ingot]

One trick tho. On P2 it doesn't work that easily. You parry automatically a first sequence. Then there is break after 3-5 auto parries, and then you have to parry again or you get hit.

[woven ingot]

You still got to defuse the first that way. You find defusing easier than parrying (longer immunity)?

[sullen pawn]

yes

longer frames

more frames i mean

[woven ingot]

I see. I'll try that if I find the parry too random.
Now need to find the trick for P2 for it being two sequences instead of one.

For P2 it feels like there are 2 hits. Then a break. Then 2-4 hits I think and another break.

[bold ice]

I don't believe you can chain parry the entire sequence

Sometimes I felt like I couldn't chain parry but also couldn't recover in time for the next one either

Overall it's such a terrible fight idk why I wasted time on trying to get a good run instead of just clearing it and moving on

[woven ingot]

In P1 you can, that's sure. As soon as you parry one, you let go of the mouse/keyboard/controller and let it be automatic.
In P2 it's more difficult. You auto parry 2 hits, then the auto stops and you have to do something. After that, for now, I think there are 2-4 hits you can have in automatic, then another break and you have to parry again for last part of the ghosts.

I agree that the Eerie version is not giving me the fun of the normal version tho :/

And I guess it's not worth for me to spend too much time on it, Hellscorch is blue focus paradise, so top ranks will clearly go to thunderscorch users.

[bold ice]

I mean if you're not using thunderscorch then you have no business in trying for a top time on a single boss stage

[woven ingot]

For now I'll see to speed rush my bed and see if I got a good timing there!
Thanks a lot for the automatic parry Dark, that helped a lot for not having those phase a pure RNG fiesta.

[woven ingot]

I know, but ... I'm stubborn, and I still learn the bosses that way ^^
And some bosses like Manticore let Ice Mod users have their chance.

[fierce light]

Unforunately true

But at least Lotus build is competitive in Speedrun and likely Peak.

[tacit nest]

jesus

they really buffed that mf for paragon

dark howd you beat ts

[fierce light]

Just used to it

[tacit nest]

yeah

playing him about 20 times now with thunderscorch

im getti gused to him

@fierce light did you use poiznlotus?

[fierce light]

Yeah

Thunderscorch is likely faster for this one tho

[tacit nest]

it was for me yeah

bro throws blues like a yn

💀

[fierce light]

Mainly seems to be surviving the bosses ultimate attacks for these Yama's lately

[tacit nest]

wym?

[fierce light]

Cause they hardly do anything else

You burst them down so fast, but can't kill them during their ultimates

[tacit nest]

whats their ultimates?

the bosses?

[fierce light]

Yes

[tacit nest]

just got another windfall

on poison lotus

stilllll no modddddd

[fickle linden]

atleast its not scorch

thats all ive gotten tonight

[tacit nest]

just beat paragon with matari

her defuse is really weird

not used to tha shi

[hidden creek]

[tacit nest]

which one is that

[hidden creek]

scorching to scorching on sub-zero seal

[tacit nest]

💀💀

🙏

If you don’t mind me asking

What language is that?

[fickle linden]

i wanna guess vietnamese

fatigue cap should be 4.8k

[hidden creek]

yes

[tacit nest]

and it didnt even give you a +2 or +3, same ol +1

sadge

[hidden creek]

issoke i got a mod next within 70 rolls

100 mod ice now

[fickle linden]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[indigo drum]

Any idea where to farm tundra might?

[hidden creek]

bruh ice is so dumb

one F and one 2nd stage charge attack is enough to proc ice blast already

[fickle linden]

out of tianhai, temuch, valda, matari and yoto hime which two are best ones to run nirriti?

i wanna level up all heros to 20

those are the ones that are not 20 yet

[fierce light]

Tianhai = Valda > Yoto Hime > Temulch > Matari

Yoto Hime and Temulch are pretty iffy without Aerial Rend, while Matari just is the current worst hero atm.

[fickle linden]

alright thanks, i'm doing tianthai and valda next then and def saving all those items that give hero xp for matari

also, what's the game in your banner?

[fierce light]

Wuthering Waves

[fickle linden]

anyone wanna come nirriti nightscream?

tryna do few season quests

we are 2/3 eu

[tacit nest]

@fierce light

i see you put arcane thunder instead of miasma

are you testing

[fierce light]

It allows you to proc Poison Blast in 1 Skill + 2nd Charged Vertical.

More convenient for more aggressive bosses.

[tacit nest]

more conveniant in general too?

is that now a perm jade for the build?

[hidden creek]

always have been

depends on the hero you would want either miasma drive/arcane thunder/cyan fang/wielding jade for them

[fickle linden]

good thing i've locked my cyan fang then phew

which is best for tessa, yueshan and viper?

[hidden creek]

miasma drive was never a core jade for poison lotus

[fickle linden]

i think it's optional in zeros guide

[hidden creek]

yeah

[tacit nest]

whats the most preffered for the optional jades

[fringe quail]

sorry just saw this what's you in game name?

[tacit nest]

oh i been off bro

for like 15

maybe tommorrow tho bro

[analog aspen]

Is there a "good" replacement for ghastbloom in the poison build? I cannot do the manticore nightmare yet

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Mysto leveled up!
ℹ | Level up messages can be disabled for the guild with owo level disabletext

[tacit nest]

I think that one’s the most important

lol

[analog aspen]

xD

[spice canyon]

It's the core of most lotus build, can't be replaced

[analog aspen]

time to get better then

[tacit nest]

Trust bro I felt your pain

Te was a nightmare to complete

Ts

[spice canyon]

Just spam nirriti nightscream, you will get them eventually
or wait next week for enigma peak

[tacit nest]

How much harder is enigma peak

[hidden creek]

alot harder

[tacit nest]

Oh word

[hidden creek]

basically the end end game

[tacit nest]

lol

What happens in it

Just more bosses or what?

[hidden creek]

diff bosses and they're eerie version

their HP and damages is bigger

last boss guarantee to be current season end game boss, eerie version

[tacit nest]

😔😔

[hidden creek]

so eerie manticore

[tacit nest]

Cooked chat

You think the god tier players Finn’s have trouble or no?

[hidden creek]

dunno

last season peak is easy as hell

cuz thunder scorch is broken

but this season idk

[fierce light]

Lotus builds are easier to use than Thunder Scorch, but yeah Manticore hits hard and the fact that one of his attacks is a mini Ultimate is crazy. Not looking forward to his Eerie form.

[tacit nest]

I think a coupe of his attacks could be considered ults

😭🤞🏼

And when you say lotus builds are easier, are you saying lotus build this season are the way to go?

[hidden creek]

yeah ofc

thunderscorch now can only beats lotus builds if the boss do alot of blues

damn ice lotus is so damn strong in enigma

easily beats my poison lotus timing even it got much lower stats

should've all in ice

[timid stirrup]

Idk I beat an ice lotus yesterday in dooms. Same hero but 1 ice lotus 1 poison

I was the poison

[hidden creek]

meh

i got both build at 100% mod

with ice stats being much lower

but it beats poison

[timid stirrup]

So ur telling me not to build tscorch but ilm instead?

Cuz I'll do it lol

[hidden creek]

working on this one

to replace miasma drive

[timid stirrup]

I've thought bout it

[hidden creek]

see if it gives better result

[timid stirrup]

I can't replace miasma in my build cuz its double mod

[hidden creek]

unless you REALLY want to compete yama

but even so

i think you shouldn't build tscorch

bcoz 1: ppl who already got that build from previous season perfected it

[timid stirrup]

So unless I get double mod on arcane thunder I can't switch

[hidden creek]

it gonna be really hard

if you want to compete with them

on stages that tscorch shines

and 2: we don't even know if there's that many stages that tscorch outperform ice lotus

[timid stirrup]

Or make new core jades with mods on them that can replace it

[hidden creek]

bruh ice lotus is so broken

1 F 1 charge = ice blast on tessa

if you want it on poison you have to run arcane thunder

tessa ice lotus rotation is so dumb

F > 2nd charge > 2nd charge > F....

and it HURTS

i'll work on my arcane thunder for the poison build, if it can't outperform my current low stats ice build

i'll abandon it

[timid stirrup]

Hmm...

[hidden creek]

being able to only throw charge attack and don't have to include aegis break skill into your rotation feels so nice

[timid stirrup]

I'm thinking of the group I normally run things with n one of them has ice mod so I'll have 2 compare dmg with them

[hidden creek]

this ice

beats this poison

[timid stirrup]

I'd need a new ghastbloom. I have the other jades

Or just make current ghastbloom ice

[hidden creek]

https://youtu.be/Va5JiiSxvOM

so dumb lol

[analog aspen]

100% mod is also doing gods work

[fickle linden]

stop posting ice stuff please i just made decision today to stay in poison

[spice canyon]

[hidden creek]

on second thought even if arcane thunder make tessa able to proc poison blast with 1 F and 1 2nd charge

it's still can't be as fast as ice

because ice blast cd is lower with frozen blast

so only on ice we're able to do F into 2x2nd charge then F again

so poison gonna be something like F > 2nd charge > 2nd charge > 1st charge > F

or F > 2nd charge > aegis break > 1st charge > aegis break, something like that ig

[granite marsh]

I fully went into Ice purely because of frozen blast, would've stuck with poison otherwise

[hidden creek]

yeah i go poison cuz i got good poison jades from last season

[timid stirrup]

this was my rasoning

[hidden creek]

i think they made poison weakest because it's the easiest build to play

no self freeze

[timid stirrup]

pretty sure i saw Dark do a sub 5min enigma on poison

[hidden creek]

no divine thunder to ur head

[hidden creek]

i can do that too

but still

when comparing the stats between 2 builds

ice clearly stronger

[timid stirrup]

and that run just now u posted prolly could've been sub 5min if ur freezes didnt happen

[silent barn]

Hey can anyone help me with Doom Domain, I need 2 with 800 sense or more trying to get 9 stars

[timid stirrup]

im at work otherwise i would help u out

[silent barn]

Damn

[hidden creek]

yeah but i just record for the gameplay lol, my fastest run with ice is already 4:40

[silent barn]

I’ve been trying to find people all night😭then I remembered this app hoping to find people to help me

[fickle linden]

are u on eu?

[silent barn]

I’m on NA

[fickle linden]

can't help then

i guess?

[silent barn]

Damn

I just switched to EU

[fickle linden]

you can switch servers like that?

[silent barn]

Yea lmao

[fickle linden]

alrighty then

whats ur id

we are 2/3

with my friend

[silent barn]

4018000040174

[timid stirrup]

@silent barn for future reference theres also #🐲┃showdown-lfg for ppl loking to do all sorts of showdown runs

[silent barn]

Bet thank you

[analog aspen]

@hidden creek do you prefer ice in general or only on tessa?

[hidden creek]

idk i'm still on testing phase

but it looks like ice is just better

on all heroees

[analog aspen]

I currently have a thunder build that really doesn't do anything

I mainly play wuchen and I will switch to either ice or poison but idk which will be better

[granite marsh]

My poison build seems to prefer Wuchen only so far

[hidden creek]

yeah don't bother with thunder lotus

it just sucks

[analog aspen]

I wanted to build it in the beginning because it looks cool but now i regret it xD

[hidden creek]

same

i tried to make it works

but it just too bad

well tbf it's... functionable

[fickle linden]

i hate the lightning sound ingame

so annoying

[hidden creek]

but when you compare to ice or even poison

it just can't keep up

[analog aspen]

and now Ice looks cooler than poison in my oppinion which is why I might try that next

but if it needs a lot of rare attributes to work I'm kinda cooked

[hidden creek]

75% mod and it basically fully functioned, kinda

though 100% mod is much better

[timid stirrup]

the most important rares is mod

the 8x wf is semi optional

for the lotus builds i mean

ice/poison

[analog aspen]

getting 3x mod will also be a challenge though

[timid stirrup]

yea

i had a theory last season that every week had a higher % chance of a certain rare

cuz 1 week a had gotten 4 wf and 1 scorch. and the following week i had 3mod 1 wf. then after that 2 scorch 1 wf

but then my theory went out the window

[hidden creek]

i got 2 scorch 1 mod 1 windfall this week

so this week is the rainbow week ig

[analog aspen]

so you were the one getting all my rares

[hidden creek]

hey i suffered 400 recast 0 rare too

[timid stirrup]

new week and now im either gonna build ilm(ice lotus mod) or im gonna try n optimize my poison cuz i cant remove miasma atm cuz its a double mod jade

so either i can make a double mod arcane thunder or i get new mod on other poison cores

[granite marsh]

Nightscream can be cleared as fast as Hard apparently

[silent barn]

Ima get stronger

[analog aspen]

thats actually insane

what build did you use in that run?

[granite marsh]

I was elemental 2 and lotus 1 this run

Should probably add I was lightning element too

[woven ingot]

Two questions while waking up:

• you sure about ice being faster than poison in enigma? In theory i d say poison wins because of mob cleaning speed and bosses you can spawn in the poison pool already done during previous boss. I don’t have the video under my eyes rn, but on the test maxed ice ns maxed poison in enigma, didn’t poison won?
• why only 2nd chargeds and no Aegis Break into the rotation for ice? AB with Ar got higher dps than 2nd charged, and faster animation (as there is no cast)

[hidden creek]

• poison clear mob faster yes but it seems slower on bossing
• wdym AB with AR got higher dps than 2nd charged? it doesn't

[woven ingot]

Against one lone boss (ala Yama) Ice is better I'd think yes.
2nd charge dps: 925
AB with AR dps: 964
It's not crazy, but it is better.

[hidden creek]

where did you get these numbers?

[woven ingot]

Dark's spreadsheet.

[hidden creek]

it's wrong

[woven ingot]

AR does way less elemental accumulation tho I think.

It's DPS, not base damage.

[analog aspen]

[hidden creek]

ah

but the thing is

on ice you only need one F and one 2nd charge to proc ice blast

and the ice blast cd time left is just enough for one 2nd charge before you can throw another F

so why include AB

[woven ingot]

Yes, but then you got an internal CD of 4 sec before you can accumulate again. During that time you can play whatever. That's why I like F > 2nd > AB as the elemental blast is occuring on the 2nd charged the AB doing less accumulation doesn't matter.

Too often i tend to do 2nd charged > Ab > F. And I bet it's a bad habbit, the elemental proc is still on the F, meaning the AB did damage but delayed the whole Ice Blast chain somewhat.

[hidden creek]

you don't get it

the ice blast cd is short so you can do F > 2nd charge > 2nd charge > F

[woven ingot]

CD is 4 sec, if you weren't bothered by the boss you can put one 2nd charged + one AB + one baic hit during the CD.

That's of course if the boss didn't forced you into parrying/dodging/moving whatever.

[hidden creek]

what for? one 2nd charge + one ab + one basic hit deal higher dmg than 2x2nd charge?

during ice blast cd you just do whatever gives the most damages, and nothing deal higher damages than 2x2nd charge

[woven ingot]

Yes they do tabbie.

[hidden creek]

so why include AB?

[woven ingot]

Ok I get you.

I'm too used to think on DPS. I get what you mean.

[hidden creek]

also tessa F got a cast time and took awhile before the F explosion actually happens

so you could even throw it out BEFORE the ice blast is off cd (the icon for ice blast cd is still on boss's HP bar)

just a little bit before that though

[woven ingot]

I do that sometime, but it's risky ^^'

[hidden creek]

https://youtu.be/t079IsftO48
also poison with arcane thunder is surprisingly good

[woven ingot]

But with F - AR - AR - F, there should be a downtime between second AR and F, 1.5 sec

[hidden creek]

wdym downtime?

also the 4s cd of ice blast, does it include the -33% cd from frozen blast?

[woven ingot]

F - 2nd > Ice Blast occurs (4 sec until you can accumulate again). You do another 2nd charged that uses 2.5 sec, you got 1.5 sec left.

So you can go with a third 2nd but that may make lose some time on the next Ice Blast.

[hidden creek]

yes and it's just not worth it

[woven ingot]

That's why I use AR there, i fits perfectly before the icon goes away from the boss.

[hidden creek]

better just be ready to throw the next F asap

[timid stirrup]

what is AR?

[hidden creek]

yes but as i mentioned above

tessa F cast time

[woven ingot]

Damn can't test on training ground, as you can't have attributes, we don't have MOD.

[woven ingot]

The internal CD must not be 4 sec, it's less than that. Else the icon wouldn't go away after one 2nd charged. And I tested it does.

[hidden creek]

i think you forgot to count frozen blast

[woven ingot]

There is the dodge time to do the anim cancel maybe.
Isn't frozen the thing that put the internal from 6 normal CD to 4 already?

[hidden creek]

idk lol

anyway

F > 2nd charge > 2nd charge > F is the go-to rotation for fastest ice blast proc, in real matches

[woven ingot]

Probably the dodge cancel that do the missing 1.5 sec.
That means I need to relearn the whole gameplay. Gonna be a fun day(s) ^^'

[hidden creek]

because we have to count the dodge cancel and the tessa F castime

[woven ingot]

I'd think so, the dodge doesn't feel like it's 1.5 sec, but .. well, it seems it is.

[timid stirrup]

i would think its slower cuz ur holding F to cancel freezing at certain moments

[hidden creek]

i mean if you try to include an AB into the rotation it kinda just gonna do more harm than help, because again our prio is always proc ice blast asap because it's our main source of damages, all the damages deals during ice blast cd is just extra and not as important

[timid stirrup]

but i guess while bossing it might not actually b as detrimental as i think

[woven ingot]

For most cases yes. Need to do some tests on bosses, sometime you may weave in an AB for a reason or another.

Bosses will force you to dodge/parry etc. that can change some things too.

[hidden creek]

well yeah, like when you just need an AB to break their aegis

then sure

[woven ingot]

For Manticore it could be a thing yes.

And for mobs it tends to be nice against elites, as it will stagger them.

[steep patio]

Speedrun anyone?

[woven ingot]

Which server are you from?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Migosha leveled up!

[woven ingot]

I both hate and love you 😛
One thing to still figure is the opening. As we saw yesterday, precasting/starting with F then 2nd charged doesn't put enough accumulation, and adding an Aegis Break isn't even enough for that. So for the very first opening if you weren't in combat before, 2nd charged then F may be the thing.

[steep patio]

Na

I can go eu if you are

[woven ingot]

If you don't find people I can try to help. Just don't hope too much from me ^^'

[steep patio]

I’m not going from time just need to complete it

[woven ingot]

All fine with me then ^^

I'll move to NA.

[steep patio]

4001100120169

[woven ingot]

You already found people?

[steep patio]

Just did ._.

[woven ingot]

It's great no worries!

[steep patio]

Didn’t think he would invite

[steep patio]

Thanks tho

[woven ingot]

If it goes wrong let me know I'll come back ^^

[hidden creek]

or you can just do what the dude did 2x bow shots

[woven ingot]

I was thinking about that too. But i'm too bad at switching to go for that. Just reversing the order for the opening will do it for me 😛

[hidden creek]

i'm lovin this poison arcane thunder

[woven ingot]

See? Poison isn't all that bad? 😛

[hidden creek]

it still sucks cuz it's so easy to exceed the boss bar 💀

but other than that i can just turn my brain off when playing poison cuz there's no self freeze

[woven ingot]

FlameBane is using it (just checked) in the video I mentioned for Poison beating Ice in Enigma.

[hidden creek]

yeah i know that dude

[woven ingot]

Self Freeze will always be Ice downside. But hard to replace sub zero seal and tundra might.

[hidden creek]

but we have to consider that this is just enigma domain

[woven ingot]

Yep.

Hence my next question: does poison have a way to apply Soaked?

[hidden creek]

and poison was able to cut the time because if you keep the boss at spawn point

and they got affected by previous poison blast that killed the previous boss

and the poison pool

[woven ingot]

You gain lots of time yes.

[hidden creek]

yeah

also

poison is super good on bosses that got low aegis bar

but the higher the aegis bar is, less effective poison gonna be

[woven ingot]

Does it have soaked, to lower bosses atk?

[hidden creek]

it does

[woven ingot]

Ok so you have that safeguard too, good.

[hidden creek]

poison tree doesn't have defuse focus though

ice had

[woven ingot]

Not sure how it acts, giving more frames I'd bet?

[hidden creek]

idk lol

but it feel easier to defuse with it

[woven ingot]

I can add that to my long list of "stay Ice".

[fickle linden]

[timid stirrup]

who wants to stay frosty tho

i like turn off brain reason tabbie mentioned

[hidden creek]

i'll have to wait to see how poison perform on peak compare to ice

[woven ingot]

I get that you don't want to be frozen. I'm made peace with that now, I don't care about it anymore, I simply ignore it, and when it happens it happens.

If it's just before Manticore breath (like it likes to do) well so be it, a dead try.

Peak .. I was wanting it. Now that I remember what Eerie bosses are (thanks Hellscorch) and I bet Manticore will be the final boss ... I'm not totally sure I'm that in a hurry to see peaks 😂

Manticore already got 20 differents combos, she already mix match them a bit, so what will they do? Are we going to see lightning breath, during her 50% lightning phase while throwing poison spheres (activated by lightning) on the whole arena all at the same time?

[hidden creek]

normal manticore already got so many mixups and delay attacks

can't imagine eerie version

[bold ice]

theyll do everything to make it not fun

[hidden creek]

😂

[drifting lance]

🎉 | habok leveled up!

[hidden creek]

did you do last season peak Migosha?

[past pond]

Ice or Thunder ? still dont know what to pick 😂

[woven ingot]

I'm betting on Habok's vision. Just when I start not to hate the thing ...

[hidden creek]

omnius bough got the pinwheel move 😂 special move exclusive to eerie boss

wonder what will it be for manticore

[hidden creek]

ice

[woven ingot]

Yes and no. I only started the game last season, so I was non existant somewhat. And I only did a few of them with a friend, in which I was mobber, as I always am. So I didn't saw any of the bosses.

pinwheel? Rotating on himself, like omnius rock P2 does when getting his aegis back?

[bronze wharf]

hell scorch is crazy attack with fake charge or fast charge , sometime or manytime ignore the attacker

[woven ingot]

That speedrun version got really weird moves. Even differents from the Eerie version.

[hidden creek]

yeah that's what you get on trios

i literally can't even defuse properly

[past pond]

aight ty ice set done

[woven ingot]

And enjoy the instant atk, because we all have army pilot reflexes and of course 0 ping 😂

[past pond]

just gonna need better stats 😂

[bronze wharf]

that's not call a improvement in that SP
i know very well that hell scorch in speedrun

[hidden creek]

leggo

[past pond]

what kind of jade should i deconstruct? like netherstep = dagger

[woven ingot]

Congrats! Now let's the jade fragment flowing to get what you want ^^

[past pond]

or any useless jade for deconstruct

[hidden creek]

keep at least 1 jade of each, ofc prio those with high stats

[timid stirrup]

i would also say ice

[hidden creek]

that's what i do

[timid stirrup]

and glad u did

[woven ingot]

I keep one of each because i'm a born collector, but everything about ranged you can deconstruct if you're in dire need of fragment.

[hidden creek]

i mean you can never tell if one day a jade you thought so useless suddenly became a core jade

copper ward for example

[past pond]

aight lol

[timid stirrup]

i originally wasnt keeping 1 of everything until someebody mentioned it and i felt it was a good idea in case metas change i will have a decent base jade of new meta

[woven ingot]

Special things like Copper Ward are clearly worth keeping. Even if you really need fragments.

[timid stirrup]

like my 1 blessed jade is 500 luck and my lucky break is 475 luck

[fickle linden]

im saving 1 of each legendary but only some epics

[woven ingot]

You can destroy the Jades specific to weapons you don't use too.
Once you start to have a decent working build, I'd advise to remake your collection tho, keeping one of each. Even the terrible ranged ones ^^

[fickle linden]

like cinderfrost, thunderproof etc

[woven ingot]

Everything that has a very unique effect is always better worth keeping yes.

[past pond]

better?

[woven ingot]

That's a very good start ^^

[fickle linden]

idk that no depletion: weapon repair kit hits different for bossing

[past pond]

lol

[fickle linden]

who wins, a sword vs a GUN? always go ranged!

[woven ingot]

True, if you're not fighting a boss who can make jumps to close the distance in .5 seconds 😛

[woven ingot]

That's good, what you'll really want is at least 3 Moderation. That's what will make the build feels sweet.

[hidden creek]

@woven ingot

[fickle linden]

https://tenor.com/view/listening-omar-sebali-whats-the-noise-what-sound-is-that-gif-19713402

[timid stirrup]

F > 2nd V > ice blast > 2nd V > F > 2nd V > ice blast is what i saw

[past pond]

farm mode then lol

[woven ingot]

The 2 2nd charged fits perfectly. And your dodge cancel clearly doesn't ask for 1-1.5 sec.
Maths say it shouldn't fit that perfectly, game says "yes!". Game always win in that case.

[hidden creek]

[woven ingot]

Welcome to our daily life 😂

Doing a hard Nirriti with Matari, she feels so nice on mobs, the special move after defuse is fun, decently efficient, safe. And then I arrive on a boss and ... it feels like "what am I supposed to do???". Both charged feels terrible to use (visually, in term of safeness/reactivity and well dagger damage lol?) they are good pvp moves, but I don't feel them fitting in PvE.
Using the special move after defuse isn't good on bosses, it's too long and even an asleep Frog will hit you during it.
With another hero I'd say ok so be it, I'm going to fish for defuses. But her defuse forward is so strange that I get hit on most attacks.

Her Aegis break isn't helping either. Do a charged V, dodge in the air then you can do it. But it's in the air, so you can't hit small targets unless you wait for the character to fall nearly on the ground.
Is there something I'm missing, so bosses wouldn't feel that terrible to play? She's really a unique hero to play, and a nice change once in a while. I'd like to be able to do bosses without the feeling I'm fighting an Eerie Manticore in a 2 min timed speedrun without being allowed to use my weapon 😂

[fierce light]

In the extra 2s of downtime for Poison, you fit in that AB for Infectious Touch. Other than that, the rotation between Ice and Poison are identical (if you use Arcane Thunder).

If you're interrupted at all to where you can't take advantage of that 4s cooldown then Poison closes the gap for bosses

[hidden creek]

this dumb worm

[woven ingot]

Ahahah

Mixing the i m gonna run everywhere with the great speciality of some arenas: i m gonna find a way to go up a 5m tall rock. Try to hit me.

[fierce light]

Oh looked like it tried to do a new attack, but failed.

[bronze wharf]

That Voice Actor

[woven ingot]

Well he did a new attack. And it worked!!! The « watch me ruin your timer while you try to hit me »

I see at the end he was nice and walked down the rock in fact. Nice of him. I had some being kinda stuck on the rock and staying there for 30 seconds.

[trail ridge]

Hi guys, I can't complete the "immutable-hard" mission, my gear is 760, the mission requires 730... I just don't have time to kill all the monsters, they kill the flower faster than me.. Can you tell me what to do?

[hidden creek]

be better
at build, sense level, and gameplay

higher ur sense level is compare to stage suggestion, higher dmg you gonna do
so go as high as possible, not just exceeded stage sense level suggestion

[trail ridge]

I can't make the build better until I pass this level lol... As for the gameplay, I don't really understand, I'm just hitting monsters... but my damage is clearly not enough, although I previously completed all the missions with 1-2 attempts...

[hidden creek]

🤔 you don't have any better sj to equips?

the lower 3 is really useless

maybe just go farm some nirriti to level up you sense higher and also getting some useful jades

[trail ridge]

No..I don't quite understand where I can get the "best equipment"...

[hidden creek]

here

[analog aspen]

you already have ghastbloom and I have no idea how to get it

[hidden creek]

prolly got lucky from random sj gift

[trail ridge]

I have already received all the things that can be obtained there on the first level, I have already gone through it 15 times

[hidden creek]

then go do hard

also have you upgrade you sense level?

isn't it 760 is like the begin sense

[trail ridge]

I can't pass it, or rather I passed it only once thanks to a miracle, but all the next 8 times I just died on 2 or 3 bosses..

[fierce light]

Make sure you have the right potential for that build, also ideally you want all of them to be the same element wielding, especially for a mission like Immovable as Elemental DMG is the main thing that'll help you clear.

[woven ingot]

Immovable is an especially difficult mission. For other missions you can judge with the "advised sense level", for this one you're better going higher.
It's one of the case where being in multi is easier than doing it solo too.

[hidden creek]

tbh

just go farm nirriti

you'll have to do it anyway

farm until you got to high sense level and got a decent build

then go back and do morus stages

[woven ingot]

But overall, yeah, what Tabbie said, you'll need that Nirriti anyway.
IF you can do it in Hard it's perfect.

[hidden creek]

it'll be a breeze at that point

and you'll learn how to play showdown by doing nirriti

it also doesn't require any soul jades, potential and sense level to clear

[fickle linden]

nirriti is 90% of the showdown

[woven ingot]

Sadfully ... yes ahah

[trail ridge]

at the moment, my progress looks like this

[woven ingot]

Well that an Enigma for when you can't see any more Nirriti or want to use those Jades you bothered to level;

[hidden creek]

just farm alot of nirriti then clear those morus isle stages later

you'll be surprise

how easy it is

once you're at high sense level

with decent set of soul jades and somewhat functioning potential plan

[trail ridge]

how much do I need to farm on Nirriti?

[hidden creek]

depends, what's your goal on showdown?

[woven ingot]

Hmmm I think we can all agree on the answer: A LOT if you want to really play Showdown.

[hidden creek]

it's one of the 2 main farming stages where all of your stuffs comes from

[trail ridge]

I just want to complete all the missions on Morus.....

[fierce light]

Getting Frost Douse is probably the most important on that. Ice Root being the 2nd most important.

[hidden creek]

uhh what for

[woven ingot]

Alright then not that much. You'll still need to reach 900 something Sense I think for the last stages.

[fickle linden]

you gotta learnto like farming nirritin if u wanna enjoy showdown

[hidden creek]

900 sense for manticore ns?

[trail ridge]

Just for yourself? How's the achievement? I haven't played PVE mode before, so I don't really understand how it works, but as I understand it, morus is the main story..

[hidden creek]

what achievement?

[woven ingot]

Ahah I wouldn't try that with my poor gameplay level. I hate myself, but not to that point 😂
Bottom said doing the missions so I stopped at the main campaign.

[hidden creek]

also morus is the main story yes but it's not ''main gameplay'' of showdown

anyway

you want to clear this stage, you need to be strong and good enough
you want to be strong and good enough, you need to farm
where do you farm? nirriti

that's it

[woven ingot]

He may be PvP focused and wants to see a bit of PvE for a change. Don't be the grumpy Tabbie and let him do what he wants 😝
Maybe he will like PvE and end being one of us

[hidden creek]

wat, i'm not ''being grumpy'' at all i mean he asked how to clear the stage, i tell him to go farm some nirriti so his equipments is enough to clear it, but then he said he don't want to WHILE still want to clear all morus isle stages

so i just don't get it

[woven ingot]

He asked how much of it was needed, if it's only for main campaign, not that much, reaching 900 sense I believe.

[trail ridge]

Well, not to say that I was fixated on PVP, I liked the team-on-team mode and I played a little bit in the rating, but 90% of my gameplay is a battleground against a Hard bot, where I complete combat pass missions..

I decided to play PVE because it diversifies the gameplay, and there are fun roguelike missions taken from Hi3...

[hidden creek]

he said ''all morus stages''

[woven ingot]

If for the whole PvE setup, then yeah, need to farm to 1100 at least. Which is like ... one or two weeks if you play your whole fatigue?

[hidden creek]

i mean

if you say ''all morus stages''

meaning all the way to the last nightscream stage aka manticore hunt nightscream

and there's no way

a newbie with 900 sense gonna clear that

so expect to do ALOT of farming

before you could even scratch the boss

[trail ridge]

so I have to go through the hard level for 1-2 weeks, right? Can I farm easy level for 4 weeks? just to be honest, the hard Nirriti level is quite difficult..

[hidden creek]

i mean once you got the hang of it it'll be easier

i'm not even a good player

and i can solo legend

it's really not that hard, you just need more experience

nirriti is even, in fact, the easiest thing to do in showdown

[woven ingot]

Don't even try to justify it, you deserved that one :
I just had the genius comparison popping in my head. I'm proud of myself right now 😂
You're the IRL Korvine P2. On first meets it's "WTF is that?!!", then "mhmm ok seems like there is something to her in fact maybe...". After getting used, you grow fond of it, and when she appears it's smile "oh nice here she is!"

[hidden creek]

since it doesn't require souljades, potential or sense level

[trail ridge]

I would like to clarify one thing about the characters.. are there any characters that are easier for Nirriti? But without using Thunderproof? (this thing is killing me all the time)

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Hi

[hidden creek]

i usually run wuchen

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