👾┃showdown

[fierce light]

Oh, yeah probably so. Either way is fine.

[hidden creek]

yeah with 75% mod you won't have your F skill back right after poison blast is off cd

[fierce light]

Actually, that should still work for 75% Mod.

[hidden creek]

huh but with your rotations
2nd charge > aegis break > ability (poison blast) = infectous touch is not coming out yet
1st charge vertical > aegis break (not enough for poison blast)?

[sour wedge]

stuck on astral 3 of yamas, any tips for this new boss?

[fickle linden]

get better stats on souljades that's what helped me

[sour wedge]

my stats are good. I just can't dodge a single attack, even when I defuse it has so many follow ups

[fierce light]

Yeah:
2nd Charged Vertical → Aegis-Break Skill → Ability → [Poison Blast activates] → 1st Charged Vertical → Aegis-Break Skill → [Infectious Touch activates] → 2nd Charged Vertical
Then you restart from there.

... 1st Charged Vertical → Aegis-Break Skill → 2nd Charged Vertical takes around 5.33s, so if you haven't been interrupted, you can start charging your next 2nd Charged Vertical ahead of time.

[hidden creek]

🤔 i just do this so i can stack toxified on target as fast as possible though

[fierce light]

Part 1 (procing Poison Blast asap)
2nd Charged Vertical → Aegis-Break Skill → Ability
Part 2 (procing Infectious Touch asap)
1st Charged Vertical → Aegis-Break Skill
Part 3 (downtime)
2nd Charged Vertical

Part 2 & 3 takes around 5.33s. The first two attacks of Part 1 should stall long enough to reach the 7.5s threshold for your Ability to be ready again.

[hidden creek]

oce

[cyan vapor]

im trying so hard to find the lost curse but i rlly dont get it

is it just from the cursed chest or a special zone i need to enter in stage 8. Unfortunately i dont understand the voice in the cid

video*

[thorn narwhal]

u get lost from the boxes in shop areas on nightscream difficulity or above

[thorn narwhal]

it'd be really nice and worth activating infectios touch asap if the pool can poison u again so u can apply 6 stacks quickly

[fierce light]

1. Lost Curse comes from curse boxes in the Shop Zones on Nightscream or Legend Difficulty in Nirriti's Ruins.
2. There's a chance whenever you enter a portal it'll take you in a secret room with two bosses.
3. Mountain Ghost can break a wall that sticks out in a corner with its attacks over time.

[fierce light]

It's still worth using asap so you don't lose much health from the corruption effect. Doing it early enough will make you go net positive on health from Poison Heal in the potential tree.

[cyan vapor]

thanks guys, love yall

finally i have a clue haha

[tacit nest]

@fierce light you said lots of moderation with make the poison lotus activate faster and more frequently?

[fierce light]

[Moderation] helps you to have your ability ready quicker. So for heroes with hard hitting abilities (Viper, Feria, Tarka, Yueshan, Tessa, etc), you can shorten your rotation consistently for procing Poison Blast.

[cyan vapor]

lol first game 😊😊😊

[hearty rivet]

Okay I'm confused, why can't I use my catchup points? Do I need 1 more fatigue spent or there is a lower threshold to exchange? 🤔 🤔🤔🤔

[plain spire]

damn your loot probably so good

[hearty rivet]

136 fragments worth of souljades. Last week it was 115 fragments + 1 gold and 2 purple souljades from catchup.

[cyan vapor]

What happens when you recast a rare does it change to a different rare or does it recast to a common again 🤔

[hidden creek]

random

[hearty rivet]

this week I used 2 potions. Last season with weeks of 1-2 potions I got about 130-190 fragments from the first 600 fatigue, sooooo there is that too.

[cyan vapor]

Damn

[hidden creek]

if it's the only rare on the sj you have the chance to get a rare

if it's not then you can only get random normal attribute with random value

[cyan vapor]

It’s the only one

Scorching again.. 😂

[hidden creek]

but if you reach the roll pity (able to pick a non-rare opt) then the opt value is guarantee to be 85% up

[cyan vapor]

Uuh that’s good to know 👍

Thanks tabbie

[hidden creek]

[hearty rivet]

srsly 1 souljade from catchup is purple?!?!?!?!

[hidden creek]

same
got 2 and they're both purple

[hearty rivet]

come oooon

in previous weeks always got 1 gold (and only 1 gold)

wonder if they just nerfed it or that 1 gold was never guaranteed I was just "lucky"

[hidden creek]

meh

it's still sht anyway

[fierce light]

I got a 4% Increase DMG to Boss from a Rare at roll pity. So seems to be 80% or above.

[hidden creek]

lol

[hearty rivet]

Showdown is becoming a class about diminishing return. You need to put more effort into it and you get less reward as time passes. 💀

[hidden creek]

inb4 someone with a 75% shows up

[hidden creek]

that's... not diminishing return but whatever

we really need something to lessen the effect of luck

[fierce light]

Huge variation in rewards and a fatigue system usually don't go well together.

[hearty rivet]

Ok true, still. You have to play more to get the same or less loot that you got last season.

Dunno if it's luck. If drops were hugely affected by RNG my gold/purple souljade numbers would be all over the place and instead I see a negative trend.

[hidden creek]

if it's not rng then what is it

[hearty rivet]

I mean there is luck too but the main factor is that imho the drops got nerfed significantly.

[hidden creek]

one of my guild mate just got 11 golds from one gold key elixir enigma

this week

[hearty rivet]

Yes partymembers got that epic drop too occasionally but imho that is the outlier now

average is 0-1-2 or with potion 1-2-3 maybe 4. Mind you I never got 4 gold from any run potion or without this season from anything.

[hidden creek]

that's the rng

[hearty rivet]

Like, people get extreme stuff from their lootboxes but that is not the average lootbox drop

and imho the average got nerfed.

[hidden creek]

yeah, cuz the variation is extremely huge

[hidden creek]

i completely agree with this but we have no way to really find out so

[hearty rivet]

Yes but variance is one thing but the average got worse from what we got a couple of months ago

[hidden creek]

oh i made a feedback thread about it

and no one seems to care

[hearty rivet]

I have! I've been making notes of my souljade drops since september

every single run

[hidden creek]

i don't even need to

when drops like this exist

https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1319410559023845487

it shouldn't even be possible

[hearty rivet]

yeaaah it's pretty disheartening

[hidden creek]

it's straight up stupid

and because the drops are rng based so they can just shove it onto our faces with ''you got unlucky''

without anyway for us to actually find out if the drops was indeed nerfed

[hearty rivet]

Not unless a community project is started like in mmos where everyone counts their drops and pool the results.

[hidden creek]

i can't even comprehend the logic behind this

like, let's say other MMOs where you can farm stuffs and sells for ingame currency or even real money

then it makes sense that they don't want us to get good drops too much too quick

but this?

oh actually i **can **come up with an explanation

that is they're bunch of lazy asses mfs

[hearty rivet]

The less the loot the more you're required to play. By not getting 70-80% of your weekly souljades from the 1st 600 fatigue, you're incentivized to go to 2400 fatigue for the same-ish loot. The more you need to play the higher chance that those that can afford will buy potion for gold which is extra revenue.

[hidden creek]

nah

the miserable loots so you have to play more

so they can justify the 6 months long season w/o any new contents

[hearty rivet]

that too!

Plus the catchup / 600 fatigue is to spend more time. Although I'm kinda curious what'd happen if I just exchanged catchup points once per week. Does the game keep track of how much point one got at what fatigue quadrant? 🤔

[fierce light]

Believe they said you lose your catch up points on reset

[hearty rivet]

Yeah it's in the tooltip too I meant if I pooled all the weekly points and exchanged them in one go instead every 600 points.

[tacit nest]

i keep getting scorching on my poison lotus

i need mod bro

😭

[plain spire]

same

[tacit nest]

how do i get mod man?

just random

[plain spire]

we just need to get lucky to get mod 🙃

[tacit nest]

im looking at players like darkzero and they got full mod + windfall

make me wanna cry fr

[plain spire]

Last season i desperately wanted scorching on my thunderscorch build and game keeps giving me moderation, now i'm building ice lotus i already have 6 scorching in it with 2 moderation

[tacit nest]

SAME BRO

its like the opposite this season

[plain spire]

i swear that recommended stats is the reason game trolling us

[fierce light]

I'm still lacking some Windfalls, got unlucky so far with 2 rares

Working on 2nd rares is such a pain

[signal kite]

[mystic gale]

What is showdown deconstruct and conversion?

[plain spire]

Deconstruct gold/epic souljade gives souljade fragments
souljade fragmenst is use to recast souljade attributes
Conversion is converting rare souljade into gold/epic souljade

[fierce light]

Deconstruct

• Converts an Epic Souljade into 1 Souljade Fragment or a Legendary Souljade into 4 Souljade Fragments.
• • Souljade Fragments are used for Recasting, each attempt consuming 2.

Conversion

• Basic Conversion
• • Converts 20 Rare Souljades into a random Epic (90% chance) or** Legendary Souljade (10% chance)**.
• Advanced Conversion
• • Converts 3 Epic Souljades into a random Epic Souljade.
• • Converts 3 Legendary Souljades into a random Legendary Souljade.

[fathom bobcat]

I wonder if developers remember existence of advanced conversion? Because it was a questionable thing before, and with the new recasting system it's total garbage because you're always short on jades.

[signal kite]

[hidden creek]

the normal conversion is already garbage anyway

20 blues for a 10% chance of 4 frags and 90% chance of 1 frags
so 200 blues for 4 + 9 = 13 frags

it's just shit

[fierce light]

Their attempt at making progression consistent, but still slow.

Advanced Conversion mainly helpful if you stock up before a new season to attempt to get the new jades early.

[fathom bobcat]

Yeah, but, you get a lot of blue jades in the current realities and once you reach max sense level there's nowhere to put them but convert them. At least you're getting something rather than converting precious violet/gold jades into random void.

[fathom bobcat]

There is a high probability that you will get the wrong one. I don't understand why there's so much pointless randomness here.

[hidden creek]

yeah, how about just make a new system for sense leveling or a whole new sense system and just remove the damn blue jades from the game entirely?

what i'm saying is they're keeping that shitty conversion system so they can justify putting the blue jades into the drops pool to justify the bad drops

and it's fucking sht

do a conversion and you get a purple jade then each blue jades used was worth 1/20 of a JADE FRAGMENT

and that sht have a 90% chance to happens, official public rate btw

[bronze wharf]

i have 9 scorching in my Poison Build , now we are comrade .

[lone umbra]

they should give option to choose rare too

[naive vector]

@fierce light

I finally found the fastest weapon exp farm, and it is not gelid yushan normal.

I calculated. I got 2k weapon exp in 1 minute without wait times or loading screens.

Gelid yushan gives 500 exp in every 1 minute, because it returns you to main menu and then you got to load in and everything

[past pond]

this battlepass on showdown worth ? i havent buy this pass on showdown yet

[bronze wharf]

if you're main PVE showdown player buying Showdown pass is worth because Showdown players always hunger Materials but this season pass is low reward

[past pond]

weapon skin looks good but idk other reward some effect turn red

[bronze wharf]

if they do it like that game would not be fun but you're not wrong

i have a one idea that is . .
create the one more content
call Raid
have to play with require number players with mechanics .
about Reward - reward can be drop Rare Stats Souljade with Mid Chance or Flux Jade with Low Chance to 1 random player .
gameplay can be a little take a time beacause we need to play with mechanics from start to final boss , Nirriti is a simple .
that's how i want to play showdown .

[lone umbra]

yeah not like straight forward choose but some system like treasure legendary things... or a whole new system like flux jade to choose rare

[lone umbra]

this sounds cool too

[bronze wharf]

right ? i mean defeating the final Boss in Raid Rare Stats Souljade with Mid Chance or Flux Jade with Low Chance . like you said Flux jade is a good reward too

[lone umbra]

or flux shards

[naive vector]

.

[past pond]

is this good for thunder or i missing something

[naive vector]

its a build all over the place, it is not good

my build is max level. They are souljades that you cannot get yet when you are below 1000

who is your main character in showdown?

yes, you can equip 6 legendary

Wuchen is really good. Best build for low level Wuchen is defuse build

Try to focus on getting Defuse souljades

The fire guy

My build for him is pure damage with rage per second and rage/DMG attributes

kills bosses so fast

you can get it too

We can

but

I am going to hop off soon

[past pond]

what is defuse again?

[naive vector]

Defuse is when your character blinks yellow

Red is counter

Blue is Charged attack

[past pond]

i just follow thunder build on pin but he needs defuse?

[naive vector]

Sick looking character

[past pond]

Ty

[naive vector]

well

give me a second to analyse that build

[past pond]

i just came back to play😂

[naive vector]

Your build is more for small monsters than Boss monsters. Is that what you want?

[past pond]

oh i can see why my boss dmg kinda small 😂

[past pond]

i just need boss monster build

[naive vector]

here you go

do you have these souljades?

[past pond]

actualy dont have any of them

[naive vector]

make sure you put your levels to these too

[past pond]

except defuse

oh i was put those level too

[naive vector]

@heavy gulch @past pond try to work together to get those souljades

I think both of you are below 800 right

[plain spire]

your potential is wrong, your using ice and the potential is in thunder

[past pond]

where can i farm those souljades?

[naive vector]

oops

one sec guys

put the potential to blue

not green

[plain spire]

check pin for build

[naive vector]

Dont use the green potential, put all your potential to blue

[past pond]

yea im on hard mode btw

[naive vector]

Go to morus isle and every chapter, every map has rewards written on them. You have to check one by one which map drops it

[past pond]

got it thank you 😄

sure im on sea

cant find incineration

nvm its on nightscream mode 😂

your id

4252800000168

havent receive yet

ign?

[woven ingot]

Which the fastest weapon farm you found?
So far for me it was the last campaign in mormal. Dought Omnius doesn't do any special animation/move, takes 30 sec to kill it and net 1600 main weapon xp iirc. But you do have to reload every run, making it long.

[real sable]

Can someone explain what windfall exactly does?

[woven ingot]

It increases by 50% the bonus of the other non-rare attributes you have on that same Soul Jade.

[real sable]

Oh okay got it

[woven ingot]

On that exemple, Windfall increase the attack and Ice Blast attribute by 50% of their current value (it doesn't show on screen) but will do nothing on Moderation as it's a rare attribute.

[signal kite]

Intresting stuff

[woven ingot]

And WF doesn't work over another copy of itself, meaning if you have two windfalls, it won't be "one adds 50% on the two normal attributes, then the other adds 50% too and also 50% on the 50% of the first Windfall".
Each Windfall will 50% bonus of the base/original value of the non-rares attributes.
tldr: there is no use in stacking Windfalls on the same Jade.

[signal kite]

Complicated stuff

[woven ingot]

Take it the simple way: Windfall is good, and you don't care on which Jade you put it ^^

[signal kite]

[naive vector]

That was for secondary weapon exp I meant. I get 3k primary weapon exp and 1.5k secondary weapon exp almost every minute
Do Yamas run from bronze 1 up until you can't kill the bosses so fast anymore. I usually end it before emphyrean and then restart from bronze 1 again.

so around 5 - 7 minutes I got 5k secondary and 10k primary

[woven ingot]

I see, that's a good pick. Without tons of reloading.

[stoic rapids]

If i want to upgade my hero fastest, what map i should farm, my jade is full

[woven ingot]

I remember doing mines in Nirriti normal. Got decent xp and farming Jades at the same time. Not saying it's the best xp per minute, but you can bring any hero even low level, get xp and Jades.

[stoic rapids]

Thank, and another question

Half ss add new hero or 1 season

[woven ingot]

I don't think there can be a new hero added mid-season. They should only be added on a new season. Meaning nothing new for 5 more months.

[past pond]

akos hu in fistblade please

either polearm or fistblade

[woven ingot]

We need Fistblades or Heng Sword as we don't have those weapons.

[past pond]

akos hu = fistblade
shayol = heng sword

[woven ingot]

That would work.
Kylin Zhang would be an obvious Heng Sword user too.

[past pond]

takeda = katana or spear

is there best way to farm jade for exp?

[granite marsh]

Nirriti Normal or Hard if you want more rare drops

[plain spire]

Yama's abyss each stage is 100xp if you can complete 10 stage fast then fast 1000xp

[fierce light]

Best to just not use Thunderpull without Thunder Counter

[indigo drum]

Anyone know where to farm for tundra might?

[proven flume]

how to increase sense level quick?

[fierce light]

Run through Nirriti's Ruins - Normal.

[proven flume]

ty

[thorn narwhal]

@subtle bramble just like we predicted yesterday lol, 0 attention to pve
https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1322150016915079199

[subtle bramble]

not the chill workout pack getting more attention than actual issues with an entire game mode

steadily losing hope for this season tbhh

[thorn narwhal]

For Real!

guess the workout skins will get them more easy money

[stoic heron]

Man i've spend around 300 souljade fragment and still haven't seen 1 rare roll. i've tried way above 1000 souljade fragments and still haven't been able to hit the last Scorching that i need. #FeelsBadMan

[fierce light]

They say the chance goes up every time you don't get one

Not sure if they have a hard pity for it

[woven ingot]

Just to make sure, you're not trying that on a Jade that already got a rare?

[thorn narwhal]

if its a second rare u can't get with recast, if its 1st rare then ye game sucks

[azure depot]

Nuh huh, bestie

[granite marsh]

Huh

Sentient ahh

[stoic heron]

wait for real? I never knew that O.o i feel like i've rolled it on the second but idk

then it would make sense that i am not getting it

[woven ingot]

That explains your extrem "bad luck" ^^'
You can only roll one rare on a Jade with fragments. The second rare has to come from Flux or Flux fragments.
You can reroll your first rare into a new rare tho.

[stoic heron]

alright thank you. I never knew that.

Happy to have this community to help out 😄

[woven ingot]

At least that will save you the next Jade fragments ^^

[stoic heron]

if not the next 500 fragments xD

ehm

did someone say first try?

[woven ingot]

ahah, congrats.
Glad that you got it fast to repay for the lost Fragments.

[stoic heron]

idk if i want to be frustrated, mad or happy XD

[woven ingot]

Well, the best for your moral is to simply enjoy it and go kill things with it.
For your next WF to come you'llhave to use Flux.

[stoic heron]

Understood 👍

[rotund frigate]

is there a hero tier list for the current patch?

[analog aspen]

How is it possible to get a fourth attribute on a souljade? Is this only possible through imbue?

[hidden creek]

yes

[timid stirrup]

yes. imbue using 3x shrouded jade

[analog aspen]

Thank you guys 🙂

[hidden creek]

yueshan tessa feria tarka viper matari > the rest
exclude kurumi cause she's a healer

[timid stirrup]

matari??

[hidden creek]

bcoz of

i personally don't play her but i've seen some really good matari players who can make use of her kit

[analog aspen]

I just did 120 recasts and did not get any rare attribute. I guess the chances on getting one are really low

[fierce light]

Oh they buffed it to 50%?

I'll have to do some testing with Lotus builds. She probably would want an Element Souljade for sure.

[woven ingot]

The problem is that she doesn't have charged attacks that feel "good", for me that is. Great PvP moves, but in PvE... charged vertical got 0 range/lunge, and can't be canceled easily if it failed. Charged horizontal got a bit of lunge but being in the air means no way to maneuver.

Her special during her defuse is quite nice on mobs, but on bosses ... you can't control her for quite some time, and if bosses got large cleave they will hit you.

[fierce light]

With the nerf to slap, I'd say she ranks a bit lower now. Mainly outside of Yama's Abyss she's pretty low tier since she can't make up for it with infinite restarts

[woven ingot]

I'd think so too. She's very enjoyable to play in easy content, I just did a few runs with her in Nirriti normal and had a good time. She's got a unique way to be played and you need to get used to loose control of your characters on several of her moves. It reminds me of the GS users who tend to have low reactivity.
She must be really interesting for mobbing in Enigma tho I'd think.

[round glacier]

In nirrity she is nice with awakening on 4 and when she does that flash attack. Generates thunderstrikes nicely. Against bosses its tough but her ultimate heals here so theres that lol

She is fun clearing mobs quick but bosses can take forever without the right rings

[woven ingot]

Yep, that's why I could imagine her being nice as jungler with an elemental mod build in Enigma. Depending how good her flash attack is at elemental accumulation.

[hearty rivet]

elemental/mod matari is love and life

[fierce light]

I didn't get around to frame counting Dreadful Wail after they buffed it, but it's probably still mediocre DPS for single targets. If Matari could use any other weapon, she'd definitely be top tier

[hearty rivet]

Yeah that'd be nice. Dunno if I'm doing it right or not but I often use flash + dreadful wail to build ice + gather lotuses on big bosses.

[fierce light]

Yeah Ice is probably her best bet for sure

[plain spire]

Tried to test how high the moderation drop on my 3rd account and the result is pretty low 6 flux on 5 SJ = 1 moderation only account wasted 🙃

[amber terrace]

Still bad hope they change matari's weapon

[fierce light]

Yeah the weapon is definetly holding her back. Even Kurumi can buff herself and teammates, but has a decent weapon.

[tacit nest]

im trying so hard to get mod bro

this is annoying

😭

[fierce light]

Just wait till you have to go for double rares

[tacit nest]

anyone wanna play enigma?

i got 65 gold runes i need to use, might as well share

i aint that good at enigma but i can do the mob farming

jus lmk

[fickle widget]

lets go

help me how to be clear this boss

[tacit nest]

i used thunderscorch for that one

[tacit nest]

wanna add me by id or name

[fickle widget]

9240300040168

[lone umbra]

Yama"s abyss is solo mode afaik

[fickle widget]

yes

[fickle widget]

recomend hero use and build

[tacit nest]

couldnt find you

10672000150169

[lone umbra]

I cleared with wuchen with poison lotus build

[tacit nest]

tessa wit thunderscorch

and yoto

[lone umbra]

With Tessa too with poison lotus

[tacit nest]

what have you been using apaak

u made it to astral 2

[fickle widget]

okeh

[lone umbra]

With Tessa you can kill boss easily if you can work with her defuse

But if want to go safe then wuchen is best bet

[fickle widget]

thank bro

[tacit nest]

are we doing enigma?

you got a 2nd person already?

[past pond]

is treasure choice and souljade only worth to buy here?

[hearty rivet]

I always buy the gold souljade choice thing. if you like the skins they are nice to buy also, iirc they give an achi too, and then you can buy the weekly gold keys

[lone umbra]

Didn't get you... What do you mean

[past pond]

aighty

[past pond]

worth to buy

is tarka ji prefer thunder or ice?

[lone umbra]

Souljade choice is worth to buy

[past pond]

idk about poison for tarka

[hidden creek]

depends

i had never spent showdown seals for anything but cosmetics

50 seals for 1 legendary sj choice is totally not worth it imo

[tacit nest]

fax

[past pond]

that much seal price O_o

[lone umbra]

I buy silk from that seals

[hidden creek]

just buy cosmetics

[hidden creek]

lol 😂

[past pond]

that katana look sick

[lone umbra]

Ehh getting silk is costlier than cosmetic so I collect them

[hidden creek]

it doesn't have sheath so it looks weird

this season they just removed the base and background from showdown bp and add them into the shop so you have to purchase them with seals 🙂 while also not adding any new weapon skins

[lone umbra]

They only added spear this season i think

[past pond]

dual halberd

[hidden creek]

nah they're all from previous seasons

[fierce light]

Interesting, Shrouded Jades seem to be dropping more

Apparently possible to get 2 in 1 run without elixir at 100%

[hidden creek]

more like 100% and 75% got better good rewards rate compare to 150% lol
i think it's also intended to make us empty our fatigue

[signal kite]

Only If flux jade / shards would drop from runs

[hidden creek]

technically speaking it kinda does

but the rate is 😂

[signal kite]

Yea fr haven't received a single one in the last 5 months

[hidden creek]

320 hours of playing and i've only got it once

[lone umbra]

[hidden creek]

now that enigma keys drops in nirriti

is it worth it to farm dangers in the deep?

🤔

[fierce light]

Sorta still more efficient for keys to run DitD. But less Souljades

[hidden creek]

i see

though a part of my soul dies after each run

🥹

[fierce light]

Yeah i wouldn't bother with it

[rigid grove]

is there a big difference when i run normal and hard mode for fatigue points?

[polar light]

so apparently this can happen

[amber terrace]

lucky

[exotic solstice]

Dayum

[fringe quail]

looking for two people to get 12 stars on doom domain. my Kit

[woven ingot]

Wait what ... Nirriti Hard has the same 5/15% drop chance as Nirriti NS? So I'm making my life stressful by playing NS when I could have more relaxed runs in Hard ...?

[past pond]

what kind of jade should i deconstruct?

[timid stirrup]

At least ns has needed jades that drop if u wanna make new ones

[woven ingot]

Nah there is no Jades that i need there, and the chance is very low. And I did all my seasonal challenges already. So ... I should be doing Hard since a lot of runs ^^'

[signal kite]

Thunder counter souljade

Aww then just don't use thunderpull till u get it

Understandable

Just dodge that's what u can do for now

Yea

If u don't use thunderpull no thunder gonna accumulate and strike on you

With thunderpull use thudercounter jade always to counter that thunder while pulling some dmg to the front enemy

Thunderpull and thunder counter best creation of god , i just love it

[sullen pawn]

seems to be about the same rate as getting rares with the old recast aswell

[fierce light]

Don't think so, it's fairly rare to happen

[sullen pawn]

got 2 from it last season from around 70 boxes, guess rng was just on my side then

that or old system was just that dreadful

[hollow herald]

Poison Lotus build includes Toxic Lotus, is that "Toxified Lotus"?

[past pond]

does this fatigue will reset monthly or weekly?

[subtle bramble]

Weekly

[stoic heron]

Man you have to show me how to get this type of build going xD looks so fun

[signal kite]

@spice canyon is this better than the regular ice Lotus build ?

[spice canyon]

Personaly it has the same performance as Ice Lotus, but Yueshan can use it better due to his attack hits really hard thus accumulate Thundershock faster

[signal kite]

Ai ai captain gotcha

[fierce light]

That's just the name of the potential plan

[fierce light]

It's just the Poison Lotus build with 100% Moderation.

[spice canyon]

Ice Lotus Build got it

[signal kite]

[lucid ore]

For the ice lotus build, how do you stop yourself from freezing?
Tried defuse but didn't work, only way I've tried and work is when you use skills

[woven ingot]

Defuse won't work nope.
You have to use your skill or your ultimate exactly when the freeze animation starts, that will cancel it.
Hitting enemies also lower a little bit your Ice meter, at least how it feels to me. So being aggressive will make you freeze less often.
You should be able to do a boss easily without being frozen as long as you maintain presure.

[tacit nest]

anyone wanna demolish thru hard nirriti?

tryna get a bunch of jades

or enigma

i got 65 gold runes

[granite marsh]

To defuse the freezing you'll need Yushan Shadows Souljade

[lucid ore]

Doing enigma with viper + ice + cyan fang and getting freeze a good amount

Similar results with my poison build tho. 7 mins ish

[warped falcon]

Are u in eu?

[woven ingot]

I think Midget is SEA.

[woven ingot]

If you manage to get 7 min cleans, being frozen isn't slowing you down much heh ^^
Is that solo or trio?

[lucid ore]

Solo

[woven ingot]

Then keep the freeze i'd say, I need like 14 min for a run, and that's with optimized triple bosses spawning ^^'

[lucid ore]

Cyan fang allow me to just not run healings like defuse so I can focus everything into windfall + dmg or moderation... Running this with Tessa it's slowed down to like 10 mins cuz I get hit and die to korvine

[woven ingot]

Cyan Fang is a really nice Jade for sustain, allowing to face tank a bit. And not have to run away to heal when you get hit twice because you failed.

[warped falcon]

Oh welppp

[fierce light]

My personal fastest on the stairs map. I got 5:22 on the shipwreck map and 5:31 on the desert map.

[woven ingot]

Wait for him to confirm, but I think I saw him saying he was SEA in the LFG

[tacit nest]

na

[woven ingot]

So I can't read or my memory is becoming terrible. But not sure NA is much better than SEA if you're EU.

[tacit nest]

huh?

lol

[woven ingot]

Trizzy is EU I guess as he asked if it was your server.

[tacit nest]

apologies pimp

i just got so many gold runes to use

might as well share em

[warped falcon]

Yea i can farm with you but idk if im gonna be any good with ping over 120

I find it hard to parry over 70 in battle royale so im not sure if this will affect my gameplay in showdown

I play thunder scorching too so

[tacit nest]

i havent beaten a solo enigma yet anyways lol

i got thunderscorch and poison lotus

[woven ingot]

There is no special trick, beside putting the meter at "174%" before doing a boss? It's just perfect the bosses to never have to heal?
I don't get why i'm that slow, I'm not spending 8 min per run healing myself ^^'

[warped falcon]

U dont mind waiting 5 mins

Im eating atm

[tacit nest]

yeah u chillin

you got a 2nd or no

[warped falcon]

Nope

Idk anyone in NA

[tacit nest]

yikes

anyone else on na wanting to play enigma

?

[warped falcon]

Maybe try in showdown lfg

[fierce light]

Yeah i dont really stop to heal, at the most just grab the buffs that heal you over time from the chests. With Poison, if you have your Poison Pool on the next boss's spawn, you can get Toxin Blast off early.

My 5:22 on Shipwreck was kinda lucky. I accidentally spawned two bosses at the first part, but while I was traveling to the 2nd boss after the 1st my Bloomblasts killed some mobs on the way allowing me to still do 3 bosses in a row

[woven ingot]

Ok thanks, so it's training to do camps faster, etc.

[fierce light]

Yeah with Poison, aim for the small mobs first to get as many poison pools as you can going. Then aim for the mobs with Aegis/spawn-type mobs.

[woven ingot]

I'm playing Ice Lotus Mod. But cleaning time should be around the same?

[fierce light]

Ice Lotus is probably similar. Just you can probably target more indiscriminately

[woven ingot]

Yep, and more the armored ones to break/kill them faster. The smallest ones will die from the skills/frozen blasts while being close to the armored.

But 9-11 min is the lowest I'll go for now I guess. Not like I'm doing perfect against every of the 9 bosses ^^

[fierce light]

I have videos of two of the runs, just gotta upload them

[woven ingot]

Sounds like a good idea.

[hidden creek]

https://youtu.be/-z2sVqAXETQ

recorded this when i'm at 75% mod

i got faster runs i think 😂 but not recorded

you need luck too if you want the run to be quick

[woven ingot]

You and luck, aren't you both non-compatible? 😂
The video looks good.

[hidden creek]

hey sometime luck does me a pity 😂

[fierce light]

Yeah keeping the boss on the spawn point helps a lot

Had a couple Korvines run off

[hidden creek]

yeah

or the annoying dragon parts breaking

he just yeet himself out of the poison pool

[woven ingot]

Dragon is especially ... jumpy.

[hidden creek]

mhmm

so if you're lucky that they don't do those annoying move

or you're able to break their aegis before they do that

the run shortened alot

[woven ingot]

Usually not my luck, he will go away several times. And then it's "oh, but you're far away?! Cool I could use my gap closer jump, but ... nope I'm going to do my painfull waterbreath and the like!!" ... Thanks I guess? ...

I'll have to try to use Tessa's Ultimate, I see you're using it pretty much on CD. While I keep it for the late bosses and only when they are Aegis broken.
Better for high HP bosses, but for bosses that die fast like Enigma it seems better your way.

[fierce light]

Use it pretty much when boss aegis is full or when it goes down

[hidden creek]

eh for enigma i just spam it lol

[fierce light]

Either way, the timing will make it deal a big burst, just avoid using it while it's low on Aegis

It does help with your Accumulation Rate though

[woven ingot]

Alright, I'll try it that way tomorrow.

[tacit nest]

your lotus's come out hella often dawg

damn

is that all from moderation?

[hidden creek]

i guess

just need to cause poison blast on one mob then poison pool gonna make all the mobs around get toxified

and each time toxified is applied, a new lotus come out

[tacit nest]

even on bosses tho

you shi on them

[hidden creek]

yea on bosses it's just moderation doing its work

use skill as soon as elemental blast is off cd

[tacit nest]

could you explain tha a lil

tryna understand the build more

if ya can plz

[rain herald]

Is this for teaming up for showdown?

[hidden creek]

on most builds your goal is to accumulate element as fast as possible to cause elemental blast as quick as possible
you accumulate element by dealing damages, higher damages dealt = more element accumulated
but some heroes's abilities, even though they don't deal much damages but they got high element accumulation
so your prio on those heroes is to continuously using their abilities to stack up element for elemental blast
but abilities has cd, so moderation is here to help with that
moderation = when causing elemental blast, reduce ability cd
so you'll have your ability available again and can use it again when elemental blast is off cd (for the next elemental blast to happens as soon as possible)

[fierce light]

Yeah some heroes abilities hit as hard as two charged attacks, so it can help greatly with your elemental accumulation.

[tacit nest]

so mod basically makes it to where you can just constantly get ability over n over with elem blasts??

[hidden creek]

yes

[tacit nest]

feel like i shoulda got that the first time

but

now i do

thanks pimpin

[hidden creek]

do note that elemental blast has an on-target cd

when it's on cd, your damages won't accumulate element

so you have to wait for it to be off cd first before using another ability cast

[tacit nest]

is that why you killed those bosses so fast

you went and killed the mobs

then straight back to bosses

bc different target

[hidden creek]

eh in enigma you have to kill the mobs, build up the bar to summon the bosses

this bar

with enough experience you'll know when to stop killing mobs and go do boss

so after the current boss was killed, next 2/3 bosses will spawns immediately at the same spot

as for the elemental blast cd counter, it's this icon (for poison though, ice and thunder will have different icons)

tl;dr: don't use your ability when bosses have this icon on their hp bar

[tacit nest]

thank you because this really is helpful info

ngl

i be spamming sometimes

but yeah i watched your vid like 20 times

[fierce light]

Managed to cut some further time

[tacit nest]

i see the square now, seems like maybe a couple seconds at most

[fierce light]

Bosses finally didn't run around everywhere, but got unlucky with the Frost Flowers

[tacit nest]

aye congrats bro

[hidden creek]

yeah you have to look at the elemental blast cd icon to know when to use your ability

[hidden creek]

stonk

[tacit nest]

korvine the only one that really be getting me fr

i get to that last one and she whoops my ass

it just seems like everyone else poizlotus build does way more damage than mine

[hidden creek]

yeah she's annoying lol

ice mod feel so weird to play

[fierce light]

I'm at 5 WF's if that makes a difference

Ice Mod having to choose between Arcane Thunder or Frozen Blast is kinda rough

[hidden creek]

why does ice ghastbloom also accumulate element but poison ghastbloom doesn't?

ice blast happens so quick

even before my F was off cd with 75% mod

[fierce light]

Ice Ghastbloom has a slightly higher base multiplier. But they both should have severely reduced elemental accumulation. It's mainly that Ice has so much Accumulation between Frost Douse and Tundra Might.

[hidden creek]

yeah i'm using this setup

[fierce light]

x2.175 Ice Blast accumulation vs x1.7 Poison Blast accumulation.

[hidden creek]

the fuck

that big of a gap?

[fierce light]

Yeah

[hidden creek]

[fierce light]

Just enough to make Arcane Thunder proc Ice Blast on mobs, but not Poison Blast.

If Solidification worked similar to Tundra Might, Poison Blast would have more accumulation with it on, but sadly it just adds 30%, so it ends up being x2.0

[hidden creek]

this ice build

sometime feels even better compare to this poison build

despite having way lower stats

[fierce light]

Yeah that faster activation rate goes crazy

Even if it does less per activation

[hidden creek]

bro

ice blast happens even before i can use my F

sometimes i'm casting my F and ice blast happens bcoz of the rotating lotus and the lotus explosion

and my F is wasted

[fierce light]

Do you have Ice Root equipped?

[hidden creek]

yeah

[fierce light]

That's bs then if it contributes that much more accumulation that Poison Lotuses

[hidden creek]

i swear

ok lemme record

[fierce light]

Granted the smaller mobs trend to die when your elemental dmg gets high enough

[hidden creek]

nope i'm talking about bossing

[fierce light]

Yeah I'll have to see this

[hidden creek]

prolly just because of tessa V doing the work

[past pond]

where is ghastbloom?

[hidden creek]

but i'm wondering if i got higher stats is it possible to make 2 ice blast happens back to back w/o the need of that last 1st stage vertical

[hidden creek]

you mean where it drops?

[past pond]

yes

[hidden creek]

nirriti nightscream/legend, manticore hunt nightscream

[past pond]

oh thank you

anyone wanna do nirriti nightscream or enigma here?

[fierce light]

Think that was mainly the ultimate helping

The timing just happened to line up really well, even with that counterstrike

[hidden creek]

yes but because of her V and the fast accumulation rate of ice, this happens

i wasted my F because the lotuses make the 2nd ice blast happens so fast

[fierce light]

Yeah, don't think the Aegis-Break Skill is even necessary for Ice build.

Yeah it's not, just 2nd Charge + Skill should do it

Even without the V active. Just how crazy the accumulation rate for it is

[hidden creek]

and this is with frozen blast equipped

which reduce 33% of ice blast cd

i guess this is why this jade exist

[fierce light]

Yup, not sure how the Frostbite reduction applies exactly (like % faster to freeze).

[spice canyon]

if you meant Frozen Blast it's similar to Thunderproof, reduce accumulation threshold

[hidden creek]

anyway

ice accumulation rate is so fast

make you easily wasting your F

if the ice blast happens to trigger (from lotuses's damages) right when you're casting your F

[fierce light]

Yeah, i don't know the exact %. Thunderproof ik is 25% reduction.

[hidden creek]

this never happened to poison due to lower accumulation rate

[hidden creek]

yeah frozen blast just says 450 ''points''

[fierce light]

Yeah 2 2nd Charged Verticals is enough to do Ice Blast on the boss in case your ability is mistimed

[spice canyon]

Should be the same (or maybe 20%)

[hidden creek]

does this mean we should just spam our ability on ice? 😂

since we always at the risk of unintended triggering ice blast

[fierce light]

Saving it for 4s is still ideal

Probably use it first instead of last like on Poison

[spice canyon]

idk if it's relevant but if you want to find out then go to training, equip Depth Blast with +4 ice and +2 thunder, then proc Ice Blast with/without Frozen Blast

[fierce light]

Yeah it's just a tad more annoying to test for than Thunderproof

[past pond]

useless rock

[signal kite]

Not so useless

[analog aspen]

they really want me to keep playing on 75% loot xD

[hidden creek]

yeah
their tactic to force you to empty your fatigue every week

[woven ingot]

Ok so I'm using my skill way too quick with Ice Mod. Most of the time I play it when I got the Ice Proc and thus get it back. While I should be waiting (4sec?) for the icon to go away from the boss?
I knew there was a 4 sec internal CD for having a new Ice Proc to occur, but not that it wasn't accumulating Ice counter during that time.
As for the counter itself, in ice it goes from the normal 600 units to 450 units, so 25% reduction iirc.

[cyan vapor]

Looks more like 150% haha 😂

[past pond]

if i buy this bp should i pick ice or thunder?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Fumi leveled up!

[fierce light]

Yeah, if you're using the Skill while Ice Blast is still on cooldown, it won't do any accumulation.

[fierce light]

Ice probably. Thunder Scorch is still strong, but requires some heavy investment.

[fickle widget]

how to focus upgrade to clear yama abys astral 2

[fierce light]

First I'd say get all your Attributes to the right ones.

1. Poison Blast DMG
2. Attack
3. Increase DMG to Boss
4. Melee Weapon DMG/Defuse triggers Recovery

Also make sure you're running the correct Potential, or it's damage output will be cut.

[fickle widget]

okeh thanks broh

[past pond]

only missing incineration but cant solo it

[signal kite]

That's not a thing currently in showdown , upgrade hero and you will get epic armor that's the best we have for now

[timid stirrup]

First legendary should b matari dagger so maybe it can do more dps n elemental accumulation

[signal kite]

My ping is very high so I'm sorry again that I can't join

I forgot lol have to open game again ,, send urs I'll add when I'm online

[fierce light]

It wouldn't increase the elemental accumulation rate, just increase her base attack.

[signal kite]

1116000150173

Maybe I'm playing for more days than you lol not pro

[timid stirrup]

Booooo

But that should still b the first Showdown legendary upgrade

[formal oasis]

ill add u tho @heavy gulch

[fickle linden]

do u get 1120 lvl blue jades from enigma or should i farm nirritin ruin to level up my jades? im 1110 atm

[signal kite]

1100 is the global max drop level , you can't get jades with more sense than that ,
If leveling up is your main goal then farm enigma domain

Or else you can yea spam nirriti too which will take more runs to max up jades

[fickle linden]

i guess my main goal is to get rare stats on my current build

[signal kite]

Us TenKey Us

[fickle linden]

so turning blue jades into epic/legendary with that batch system?

[signal kite]

You can do that if u stacked up blue jades which u don't need anymore if u have maxed out your jade's sense level

[fierce light]

Expanded my drop table:

[fickle linden]

i've had incredible drops this week for some reason

from nirriti

[tacit nest]

this is for poison lotus dark??

[fierce light]

Yes

Wish we had more good attributes so it wasn't a double rare meta

[tacit nest]

talking about moderation?

thunderscorch is still prolly harder to get no? that takes the cake for hardest one?

[fierce light]

Nah I mean like instead of Attack + Main DMG stat, wish there was Attack + Main DMG Stat + Secondary DMG Stat

[tacit nest]

ahhhhhh

i gotcha

thats what windfall does rn?

[fierce light]

Yeah

I'm glad there's no Crit rng, but some other stat like penetration

[tacit nest]

That would be kinda cool

Extra stats

[tacit nest]

speedrun anyone??

never done one but got a challenge for one

[woven ingot]

Wait you never did a speedrun?

[timid stirrup]

damn i just logged off n saw this

u still trying to knock it out?

[tacit nest]

Yeah

Bet

I was ab to go to store lol but less get it

[tacit nest]

You still on?

[timid stirrup]

i can hop back on

[tacit nest]

I need a team for entirety of doom mode including speed run

Ima head to store in like ten mins

I can pm you when ready??

[timid stirrup]

just head 2 store now and pm when u get back

[tacit nest]

Bet

[timid stirrup]

and i'll hop on then

[tacit nest]

Works wit me

[thorn narwhal]

yeah..

[timid stirrup]

is that the max catch up pts available?

[hearty rivet]

On 100% I think, On 150% it was 630 for me 3 weeks ago

Maybe more with potion but I hope noone will find that out!

[timid stirrup]

i got that 420 earlier 2day

[hearty rivet]

Yeah for 0 gold/purple I got 420 too on 100% fatigue

[timid stirrup]

and it was on nirriti hard

no reason to do ns for me

[hearty rivet]

Oh yeah nirriti normal gave me less points to me last week

[timid stirrup]

unless i wanna farm a new ghastbloom for ILM

[hearty rivet]

looked like this (columns are: mode, fatigue, number of gold, number of purple, number of crystals, catchup, hero (gold key, key)

[hidden creek]

tetetete

[hearty rivet]

Yeah been slightly neglecting other heroes

[fierce light]

Not Temulch I'm guessing

[hearty rivet]

Oh! dang... must use better abbreviations 🤔

[tacit nest]

anyone wanna go thru doom thyen speedrun

@timid stirrup

[fierce light]

I can help

Just maxed my fatigue

[tacit nest]

you got another?

and bet

[fierce light]

Nope

[hidden creek]

dw he can solo 12 stars

[tacit nest]

crazy cuz i belive it

believe

[woven ingot]

He can solo 12 stars, but without turning his screen on, nor using a controler. Else it's not even fun for him.

[tacit nest]

thank you @fierce light

[fierce light]

0:3 so far in trying to get another Windfall 😮‍💨

[woven ingot]

I know the feeling.

[tacit nest]

bro plays blindfolded fr

[fierce light]

Dunno why I lose frames in Forest Peril so much

[woven ingot]

ahah you got it. Just using the sound of the game to handle every parry/defuse and any event.

I'm happy, after one hour trying I got something I will have a hard time beating.
Got her red outfit before the tries, she had to do something nice to commemorate.

[hidden creek]

75% enigma brown key 💀

[woven ingot]

Only way to get better is ... just great luck on the start of the fight. Only had one focus attack, and without follow up. Dunno why but Manticore rarely do follow ups :/
And when she does they are not aimed at me, and 50% chance I can't block them.

[woven ingot]

ahah. So you know what to do. Only normal keys and find a way to start the week at 75% drops 😛

[hidden creek]

gold keys on 75%? 💀 bruh

[woven ingot]

Not gold, but normal ones. It seems to be the thing working for you.

[hidden creek]

nah i mean

the quality of the drop increase on 75%

the quantity decrease but quality increase

[woven ingot]

Even if so, going out with two rares in your pocket is nice!

[fickle linden]

i saw migosha on viper ning ranked list today

[woven ingot]

I tried her 5-6 runs and add an ok timer a few days ago yes. But as I should switch to Tessa as main I'm spending more time on her.

[fickle linden]

i only managed to kill manticore with tessa, played viper ning until astral3

and i dont wanna try it 10 more times

since new one opens in few days anyway

im so bad with defuse, but with tessa its way easier

[woven ingot]

If you can play Tessa you'll manage Viper. She's easier somewhat, because all animations are instants, which make it easier to react.

[fickle linden]

ill try viper again in next boss 🤔

wish they would add zai to showdown

[hidden creek]

next is justina and zip

[fierce light]

2 heroes a season would be nice. Since doesn't PvP get 2?

[fickle linden]

justina is fine for me too 👌

if i play pvp its zai or justina anywayys

[woven ingot]

PvP seems to be one. Last was Cyra. I can't say for previous ones as I wasn't playing.

[hidden creek]

one pvp season last for 4 months though

sometimes less

[fickle linden]

showdown season is longer i guess? the showdown pass i think was very long when i checked

[hidden creek]

yeah 6 months

[fickle linden]

jesus

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/shirley-temple-lol-laugh-laughing-gif-11246832453414683140

[fickle linden]

pass is soo mid too and its 6 goddamn months wut

[hidden creek]

they fkin robbed us of a base and a background

[woven ingot]

True for that. Zai could be nice to have, not sure how they would do for her ultimate, would she be able to tank attacks without getting staggered?

[hidden creek]

but the katana and the fistblade are actual good looking

[hidden creek]

i mean it wouldn't matters much even if it's the case

in showdown you never want to tank attacks anyway

also yueshan can do that already

[woven ingot]

Not like you face tank any serious boss, no. It usually ends quickly and painfully. I tried.... often.

I just tried Yueshan before going to bed, and I'm not facetanking the 50% lightning phase on Manticore. The damage is so high, and the skill doesn't come up again before I die. The only time I managed is because she died during the lightning phase before I did.

He can tank pretty much everything, but the insane damage of the lightning phase seems to be something else ^^'.

[past pond]

she so tall

[fickle linden]

hey that's the lady that froze me!

🥶

[woven ingot]

Nice screenshot.

[past pond]

i was busy fighting 😂

she look like zai

[hidden creek]

yeah she got eating disorder after her lover ran away with her best friend after he found out she's preggy

[woven ingot]

Tabbie, you got a weird imagination. You know that, don't you?

[fickle linden]

maybe if zai was ugly

[hidden creek]

that's legit the lore

i'm not even kidding

well minus the eating disorder part

[woven ingot]

How did they came up with that?!

[past pond]

M-Mommy

[woven ingot]

Isn't she Yeshan's Shadow, Viper's "mother"?

[hidden creek]

idk guess they need a reason for justina and viper to be gay for eachother

[hidden creek]

yeah she is

[woven ingot]

At least that can explains why she's a bit ... cold to us.

[hidden creek]

well at least we killed her
wait

[woven ingot]

A lot of times, yes. But she doesn't seem to care.

Can't wait to have to bother with her in Yama ... oh wait ...

[fickle linden]

anything else please

[woven ingot]

Pretty sure we will have to endure her once more in Yama. She was in Gold 2, so probably pretty soon for the return.

And now, time to sleep. Have a good day/games people ^^/

[fickle linden]

oh, i have ghastbloom that has 25something% poison blast dmg, so if i wanna swap to ice lotus build and convert the stat, it will convert into pretty high % too?

[fierce light]

25% Poison Blast is 5/6 of Max %, so whatever it converts to will be 5/6 of its Max %.

[fickle linden]

oh thank god, will make it way easier to swap to ice

[tacit nest]

what if miasma drive was switched out for elemental lotus in poisonlotus build?

if were using ghastbloom

more blasts is beneficial no?

[hidden creek]

not worth it

25% attack increase have way more value compare to 1 more lotus summoned when poison blast happens

[fickle linden]

im missing Tundra Might and can't see it being in any drop table? am i bliiind

[hidden creek]

if you can find a sj on drop table then it means that you can only get it from nirriti or enigma

[tacit nest]

i just tried it and alot more blasts happened

arent the blasts the biggest damge part in that build

(just tryna learn)

[hidden creek]

there won't be ''alot''

cuz with poison lotus build you rely on applying toxified status on targets to summon lotus

[tacit nest]

like what you were shoqing me last night?

[hidden creek]

which benefits from having high attk which is why miasma drive is good

[tacit nest]

showing

[hidden creek]

idk, anyway

miasma drive > elemental lotus on poison lotus build

[tacit nest]

alr

[hidden creek]

idk why do you think it's ''alot more blasts happened'' but it's definitely not true

[tacit nest]

thank you

myb ig it just seemed so to me

but thank ya

[hidden creek]

i mean it could be when you do mobbing

but you don't really need more blasts on mobbing

[tacit nest]

i tried it on yamas

idk just seemed like a couple more

[hidden creek]

i mean ofc you get more lotuses, but it's definitely not much
and you lose the 25% attk boost from miasma drive then all of your damages will be lower, blasts included

so it's just not worth it

[tacit nest]

w tabbie again

thanks

was just checking

[hidden creek]

usually if you don't run miasma drive you could replace it with solidification or arcane thunder or cyan fang (for certain heroes)

but elemental lotus on poison build is just meh

[tacit nest]

I believe ya

I got windfall off of random. You said I got to choose the next lowest percent to try and get another rare?

Like mod?

[hidden creek]

uhh no? if a jade already got a rare you can't get another rare on it with normal recasting

have to use flux

and when you use flux yeah, choose the lowest value attribute to overwrite

[tacit nest]

I’m assuming double windfall for this build is good?

[hidden creek]

ideal for this build is 4 mod 8 wind

and poison blast dmg + attack on each jade

but you might want some defuse trigger recovery

[tacit nest]

i just got the last poison blast damage

just need them upgraded on %

[tacit nest]

for me yeah💀

[teal moon]

can anybody plz link me the showdown discord?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Dark leveled up!
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[rough gate]

hi! lookn to do all doom=) any server, hmu 1608100110164 im on na , but hmu in here too

[amber terrace]

@fierce light 6% dmg to aegis or 210% martial skill to heal is better for ice build?

[past pond]

is yueshan prefer ice or thunder

[hidden creek]

as in?

[past pond]

for boss run

[hidden creek]

i mean ice or thunder in what context

build?

[past pond]

nirriti

[hidden creek]

oh

nirriti you can just go with whatever

[analog aspen]

I just recastet 600 souljade materials and did not get any rare attributes. Are there certain conditions under which it is not possible to get those or was it just bad luck?

[tranquil beacon]

If there was already an existing rare attribute on the jade, then it's impossible to get a second one by recasting. If there was none on it, then bad luck

[analog aspen]

Ohh good to know this, but no there was no rare attribute

[fathom bobcat]

[past pond]

while me still farming sense level on nirriti hard 😂

damn

[chrome seal]

I had the same last week. Unfortunately had no idea either that you can't add a second rare by recasting

[analog aspen]

I actually did not recast on a souljade that already had a rare attribute

It seems like I was just unlucky

[hidden creek]

600 souljade material?

you mean 600 jades fragments = 300 recasts?

[analog aspen]

yes

One week of grinding

[hidden creek]

damn 😂

yeah that's really unlucky

[past pond]

can we still play even if fatigue is max

[analog aspen]

you dont get any rewards anymore I think

0% loot

[hidden creek]

yeah

but you can still play

[woven ingot]

When Tabbie tells you « you re unlucky » that means it s really not your day.
You d better not go outside, you could have pianos raining on you or something.

[analog aspen]

Looks like I've used up my luck for this year

[woven ingot]

As "this year" ends today you should be fine.

[fierce light]

Yueshan and Tarka could care less about Aegis-Break Rage, but it's really good on anyone else.

[fierce light]

That's weird, I seem to have soft pity around 120 recasts.

[fierce light]

Dunno how this guy was able to get so lucky with both builds, but here's Ice and Poison in action at near max state. https://youtu.be/b5SRLupVOzQ?si=7zqprDc1KfVdk0M6

[granite marsh]

2000 rerolls + Flux shards prolly

[amber terrace]

He already has old jade with max stats

me too

[rough gate]

just doing nightmare act 1 boss get 2 yelllows in a few seconds

i dunt wanna do the lotuses, they way overpowered

u can just sit there and defuse and be fine

like example video thnx dark, but hes using the best char, with the best build, all maxed out. too easy darksouls me

[woven ingot]

That's the one who did the Manticore explanation video. He's not playing the same game as we do 😛
What puzzle me is that he often uses the lmb (spinning running) after a defuse and not the rmb (normal defuse punishment). While the spining running shouldnt be that good to use.

[rough gate]

yeah, not at all

im not beeing negative, as u see what is real here,

the lotuses are hitting for 5.5k and 20k iceblasts, and lotusblast what 50k+

i was going to breakdown all my reds to make as many windfalls as i could and put 3 on each with a 30% ice and mataris horizontal strikethrough move. but even at 300% ice damage it wasnt doing that great

i did get 13k iceblasts though

[timid stirrup]

He does lmb after Defuse to chain defuse just in case of a chain attack or quick follow up

[woven ingot]

In some cases yes, in some not, when it's clear there is no follow up in that combo.
And he does only with Ice build, I didn't saw any LMB with Poison build.
Or it's situational, or it's because he knows at that moment with Ice he only needs a few points of accumulation to pass the threshold.

[rough gate]

yeah they gave her a get outa jail free with her insert defuse anytime into combo , so. allright guys have fun

[woven ingot]

I'd bet Matari is the "problem", aren't elemental blast partially calculated on base damage? As she got low base damage, thanks to dagger, it may hinder her whole kit.

[timid stirrup]

I didn't watch the video cuz I'm at work rn but was guessing the reason 4 the lmb. Hmm that threshold reason might b it

[woven ingot]

You'll see when you watch them, both are great to see. Could simply be that they were done at different times, and for Ice he was more into a "I like LMB" mindset and not for Poison ^^

[rough gate]

well i want to play matari wtf

if the game wasnt based on speed of kill id be doing good with matari

[woven ingot]

And that honor you. As she's probably the most technical to play so far, and the lowest damage output because of her weapon. I don't know why they made dagger that way. It doesn't feel like it's normalized.

Well speedkill is just a mindset. It only matters if you're looking for rankings. If you simply want to enjoy the game and boss fights it doesn't matter if Matari is lower on the damage chart, as long as you enjoy playing her.

[fierce light]

It is good to use since it has no charge time and does slightly more than the 1st Charged Vertical. .

[rough gate]

yeah shes the best damage aplying character and good avoiding damage aswel

[fierce light]

We have 3 really strong builds right now, if you're not using any, then you're kinda going to hold your team back in any end game content.

[woven ingot]

True that DPS i way higher but that's for the full skill, which doesn't happen as he cancels it pretty quick every time I think. Probably still worth it, or he wouldn't be doing it.
The strange part is that he never use it with poison.

[fierce light]

You want to do RMB on Poison often to get Infectious Touch off, otherwise you want to go for LMB as well.

[rough gate]

with that horizontal thrust frhrom season 1 u can blast through most focus attacks and comeout the back and spear em from back to from again

[woven ingot]

Alright, I'll try to train with LMB and see how it feels. Good point is that you can defuse at will during it, so it's still very reactive.

[rough gate]

dark im not gonna put on a horrible build with my homies, i use the easy stuff like video

[fierce light]

Yeah Matari has crazy low numbers right now sadly. So slowest accumulation for pretty much any build, with the only plus being the buff from her ability.

[fierce light]

It's still good DPS even if you cancel it since there's essentially no delay for using it. I'll have to check it's damage spread, but I think the first hit does a good chunk of its damage.

[rough gate]

if they dropped the 2 other ice damage souljades and replaced em with something else a pure cold could makeit

[woven ingot]

If so that would explain the use of it. Probably only using RMB when he knows the next hit will be coming very very soon and using RMB just fit in the space given between the two hits.

[fierce light]

RMB pretty much only better if you're going for Infectious Touch. It may do some extra Aegis damage and have a quicker animation, but it has a small payoff in most cases.

[rough gate]

dark do u do statistics or shit like it? u enjoy maximizing every detail and damage numbers, h or v =

=)

[fierce light]

Yeah just really like playing with Spreadsheets.

[rough gate]

enjoy it, u can make mad income doing what u enjoy

[fierce light]

Idk what they were thinking with Benthic Descent. Animation is way too long to even get to it lol

[rough gate]

finisher

[woven ingot]

I see, I'll give it a try and see how it feels.
I sometime have a use for RMB for timing. On Manticore P2 lightning event, the RMB is close to a perfect fit between two lightning hits. And that allow to get the "tempo".

Benthic is fine for PvP but I don't see why it's a thing in PvE.

[rough gate]

gmorning and gday all peace

[fierce light]

If they gave a Decimator • Element jade, it would be so much better.

Poison could compete with Ice's proc rate.

[woven ingot]

Pretty much anything but Benthic.
I don't see at which moment it may be of use. For bosses you won't reach that point of the moveset before the boss start an attack (appart from the Frog if you're not facing it). And for mobs, the first part of the move is good as you move forward it's great at low difficulty level and even medium, but the vertical part got no use.

[fast pond]

does anyone know a good method to raise showdown level effectively?

first it was yama's abyss but now in the new season where do we get higher level souljades easily?

[subtle bramble]

nirriti and enigma but drops have been abysmal lately

[fast pond]

yeah i need to get to like level 900

but idk what drops good souljades now

[subtle bramble]

for leveling up it should be fine since it gives blue jades you can use to upgrade your sense level

but the rate at which gold jades drop is bad lately

[fast pond]

do you know if theres a website or spreadsheet on which builds to use for who

im pretty sure that this is outdated

[subtle bramble]

I think Zer0 updated his guides here https://dark-zer0.github.io/Showdown/ it should have info on the new lotus builds

[fast pond]

thank you man!

[uncut juniper]

ask @fierce light

i dont play showdown

[fierce light]

Enigma Domain is the most efficient for leveling Sense due the quantity of Souljades dropped and a lot of them being Rare.

[fierce light]

Yeah that build is pretty iffy. Sub-Zero Seal on its own would just make you freeze occasionally with nothing you can do about it (usually run it with Ice Break on Thunderpull build).

Stormstride Sword is also on the wrong element, so you're dealing 1/7 less damage from Divine Thunder.

Defuse • Sap is pretty bad in that it only heals HP and not Armor, unlike the Attribute you can get.

You're also lacking any of the major damage sources currently in the game (Divine Thunder, Ice Blast, Poison Blast, Lotus, Burn, etc) aside from Defuse • Raging Flame which is arguably inferior to Defuse • Flaming Blade.

Thunderbolts (Stormstride Sword, Thunder Sword) are more of a secondary damage source as their output is really low on their own.

Yeah

[clear hare]

Anybody wanna play showdown ?

We need 1

[fierce light]

What're you running and on what server

[fickle linden]

finally got it

with my last fatiguee

next week ima be icy boy

did some nightscream achis today, got proven power season challenge thing no idea what it is tho lol

still need to do nighscream manticore to open speedrun doom

[fierce light]

Big part of Ice build's set up. If you have Sub-Zero Seal then that's one part done.

[fickle linden]

i have all recommended ones from your guide 🙂

with frozen blast as the optional one

[fierce light]

Oh nice, good work

[woven ingot]

Someone will have some fun, that sounds good.

[fickle linden]

i just don't have any [Mod]

only windfalls 😦

[fierce light]

Ice build luckily doesn't need Mod as much cause of its really high accumulation.

[woven ingot]

@fierce lightlet's see if you got some ideas: how to break Manticore Aegis when she enters her lightning event (That's with Tessa)?
You can't kill her during the event, she can't go lower than 1hp like any boss having a 50% hp event. So all you can do is break her aegis to stop the phase and then kill her.
I only managed that once by luck somewhat, and I can't find a way to reproduce it. Like every Yama boss, she got way more Aegis than HP, so she will die before her Aegis breaks.

[fierce light]

Probably an extra Toxin Blast from the Poison Omen and Infectious Touch

[woven ingot]

The usual combat sequence when she enters P2 is pre charge second charge focus during the animation, release it, do the AB skill, use ultimate (which just get up at that moment) and skill.

Then another 2nd charged, AB, skill, that will usually put her at 50% and she start the thing, but her aegis is way too high.

I'm playing Ice Mod, so it's not poison blast things related, unless you meant i should poison myself?

Being poisoned with basic poison from the ground doesn't give any bonus (not like with the red floating medusas that give an attack bonus), does it?

[hidden creek]

by using your ult at the right moment

[timid stirrup]

y the bow use?

[hidden creek]

you can't tell why the bow use?

[woven ingot]

I'll try to watch the video a hundred times it's just too fast.
But the thing that I see immediately is that she's dying after having started her lightnings, and that shouldn't happen.

[hidden creek]

ult explosion happens and it eliminated the boss's aegis

[woven ingot]

Ok I'm gonna try to look at that closely. But even doing my Ult at start of phase when i can unleash hell as she's not really doing anything doesn't bring me that much aegis break on her :/

[timid stirrup]

u say this n then i rewatch for the reason n see it now lol. i rarely use ranged weapons so i never think about it

[hidden creek]

well there's still the stats factor

if you did everything right but the result is not the same then your stats is just not enough

[woven ingot]

well the ult is done at start like i do, except there was no aegis break done after the charged but directly the ult.

[hidden creek]

well he used ult then do as much dmg as possible and when the ult explosion happens, the stored damages was enough to almost completely breaks the boss aegis

so if you can't get the same result despite you did an optimal rotation meaning your stats is not strong enough

[woven ingot]

Boss is in P2 at 5m40, no way i can do that no matter how much i try :/
Even on my rare flawlesses tries, it won't pass before 5m25-30.

[hidden creek]

there you have your answer

why ppl can do that but you can't

[woven ingot]

Yeah, unless i'm doing something poorly. Like no idea why the bow usage, but i guess it's not for the fun of it?

[hidden creek]

you really don't get why the bow usage?

it's just for ice blast to happens quicker

[timid stirrup]

tbf i had to watch it again to understand it cuz im not normally thinking of using ranged

[woven ingot]

No, I'm too average to play the game normally, there is no way i'd manage to switch weapons during a boss fight. Staying alive is already .. a challenge for me 😛

[timid stirrup]

but at least i understood it after u said "really?"

[hidden creek]

well i mean in normal runs no one gonna use it

but this is yama and every second counts

so

[woven ingot]

Each time it seems to trigger the ice blast, but an attack would too, so I guess thats not it.

[hidden creek]

an attack would?

[woven ingot]

It's how we do it during all fights. The bow being instant gives a little second bonus by not having to charge, in exchange for low damages?

[hidden creek]

yeah, just prio causing ice blast asap

plus bow shots aren't that weak as you think

[woven ingot]

Things I wasn't doing and I'm gonna try is precasting the skill in the middle at start. I wasn't doing that, only precasting the charged attack.
And for P2, when she goes to lightning phase I don't go all in like that, I try to use defuse on each lightning, which is horrible in timing and rng. I will try the "all in method" and see.

[fierce light]

Uncharged bow shot hits about as hard as the first two attacks in an Uncharged attack chain

[fierce light]

So just enough to proc Ice Blast

[woven ingot]

I guess I get it for the bow, but that's something I will probably never be able to pull.

[hidden creek]

1644 vs 2244

[fierce light]

Unfortunate that controller has a slow weapon swap

Damage Coefficients
Uncharged Bow Attack: 2.70
Decimator First Charge: 5.94

[woven ingot]

I use ult then skill while he used his skill first, and i still don't do that much damage. But it's not like I can do anything about my stats :/

[hidden creek]

mhmm

it's possible to break the aegis with tessa ult explosion doesn't mean that everyone are able to

[woven ingot]

That's what i got.

[hidden creek]

aka ''get to 12 windfalls then we'll talk''

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[woven ingot]

I can still gain a little bit on atk and Blast damage, but it's mainly getting the 4 missing WF. And sadfully, I'm not the one who can choose about that ^^'

[hidden creek]

i mean it has been like this since forever

[woven ingot]

The only thing I can think of, is ... I kept the 4 scorching I got. I could reroll them to ATK to boss, as that boss pretty much never blue focus, scorching does nothing.

[hidden creek]

last season there's some bosses that you can skip ALOT of time if your HP stats passed a certain amount

but not possible if it's below that amount

so it's just the old same thing

[woven ingot]

When it's basic stats at least you can work on them (even if there is a lot of RNG), when it's rare attribute ... well finger crossed and hope are the only ways I can think of 😂

[hidden creek]

yeah

i mean in the end if you don't have like the best of the best set of soul jades there is, you can't compete in yama anyway

well that's the case with sea

[woven ingot]

I'm going to do a few tries going all in and see. If not, I'll reroll the scorching into damage to boss next week.
I like to see those double rare attribute on all my jades even if they were not very usefull!

[hidden creek]

top 10 all got like 4 mods 8 winds and maxed every stats

and they're able to play every characters

[woven ingot]

Ironically the best EU with Tessa got 4 scorchings.

And not perfect stats either. Like me, close to max but not max.

5 scorching in fact ahah

[hidden creek]

yeah well on sea there's plenty of 4 mod 8 wind 375% ice

[woven ingot]

All the other top ranked are like that, 8 WF, perfect stats.

[timid stirrup]

375% !!!

[woven ingot]

You tell me, that's quite a difference.

[hidden creek]

yeah if you got 8 windfalls and 30% ice blast on all jades that the amount you gonna get

[round glacier]

Ima do tessa yama again to get a top ranking

[hidden creek]

375%
with potential

[timid stirrup]

my poison is only 330% but thats cuz i want defuse on 1 jade lol

[tacit nest]

i hope yall have a great ass new years

early but still