👾┃showdown

[woven ingot]

Tabbie telling someone else that he sounds grumpy. It’s truly Christmas today ahah
Now don’t get all grumpy at me tho!!

[fierce light]

You never really build for Aegis damage as it's useless when a boss is down. Plus you want Aegis-Break Rage on him so he can do good DPS.

But yeah learning how to clear Enigma properly will make it an easier transition to Enigma Peak

[hidden creek]

how the turn table

[woven ingot]

What are the big difference between topaz and the peaks?
You choose the element of the Omens in peaks while it’s ice on Topaz.
Only 8 bosses in peaks instead of 9. Mobs have more hp and hit harder i guess?
The map will be the same as topaz, right?
Main thing being: starting 5th boss it can be super buffed and pretty much one shot you?
And for the bosses are they the same pool as topaz or something totally different? Meaning Mountain Ghost, water ent, rock boss, water boss phase 1 and 2 and Korvine phase 1 and 2?

[woven ingot]

😂

That’s the best way to put it

[hidden creek]

everything got higher hp, higher damage, got eerie bosses, the last boss is guarantee to be the current highest stage boss and is eerie version (which means this season it gonna be eerie manticore)

last season peak is easy af though cuz thunderscorch is broken

[fierce light]

Bosses give +33% instead of +25%, so you can make them spawn immediately without stalling on a chest.
Bosses can spawn in their Eerie form, which deal more damage and have harder to avoid attacks.
Enemies reach max sense faster.

[woven ingot]

I see. The overbuffed manticore clearly doesn’t sound good at all … the « normal » version being already a pain. The good part is that in those map most boss spots have things to grapple on.

[analog aspen]

Hello guys, new player here. Are all of the available heros viable in showdown? I've played all of them at least once now and could not really find my favourite yet. But Kurumi and Wuchen for example felt a bit underwhelming. Maybe I just played them wrong though

[granite marsh]

I'm surprised you didn't find matari underwhelming

Other than Temulch & Matari I've seen use of every other character pretty often. Definitely viable

[analog aspen]

Now that you say it. I just smashed my keyboard playing her xD

[lone umbra]

Wuchen underwhelming?

[fierce light]

Tier-Wise, I'd say it's the following:

Top Tier

• Feria Shen, Tarka Ji, Yueshan, Matari & Tessa
  High Tier
• Viper Ning & Wuchen
  Mid Tier
• Kurumi, Yoto Hime & Temulch
  Low Tier
• Valda Cui & Tianhai

[lone umbra]

Feria top tier? I always thought feria same level as wuchen. But it could be my skill issue with her

[sullen pawn]

better skill in mod season

[drifting lance]

🎉 | El Chapo Blu leveled up!

[fierce light]

Hardest hitting skill in the game now (aside from Yueshan's in his Ultimate).

[signal kite]

[hidden creek]

i hate it

feria new F

i prefer the old one

[fierce light]

It's pretty fun for mobbing, if they don't die before the Elemental Burst.

[hidden creek]

it's dumb

[woven ingot]

Seen like that it’s interesting.
When i read « feria » S rank, I thought about her normal combos which i don’t find that good for bosses. A 5 sec long combo you get hit before finishing. Then i thought about her in Nirriti, she s ok but nothing awesome.
But with a Mod build to be able to spam her F that clearly looks good on mobbing.

Yueshan rank is from his great ultimate i guess? Being able to face tank Manticore is clearly a golden gift.
I get that Tessa is a « better Viper ». I m still more at ease with Viper thanks to her instant animations on her attacks which feel very confortable to me, being able to react to attacks.

[signal kite]

[fierce light]

Her enhanced charged attack isn't that great of DPS tbh. Only worth using in some niche situations where you want to stun lock some mobs.

On Ice Build, you just have to use her ability and a Charged Vertical to proc Ice Blast. On Poison though, you'll need Arcane Thunder to do that short rotation.

[woven ingot]

Her charged aren't that impressive, the charged Vertical is nice for mobbing tho as it's extreme range, but doesn't feel like it's doing crazy damage, you need to have filled the nunchuk's bar etc. It's mainly nice because it's safe as you're stunlocking non aegis protected mobs in a wide area.
That's why at first when I read Feria > Wuchen and Viper I felt something was off.

[fierce light]

Oh that's mainly if she can manage to have a mod build of some sort. Otherwise, she's on Kurumi's level.

[woven ingot]

Sounds fair that way.
Not sure if her ultimate could help as a panic button for Manticore, most bosses 50% hp special phase. As you can't heal unlike Yueshan, I'm not sure the mecha can handle the whole damage.

[fierce light]

Yeah you'll die trying to use it.

[turbid agate]

Do y'all think they'll rework Matari? I feel like her skill and ult are pretty useless in showdown. Also the dagger sucks, or I'm just bad.?

[fierce light]

Dagger is the main thing bad about her

Her ability is really good when used at the right moment due to being a straight up x1.4 multiplier and her Ultimate makes it deal decent dmg and spammable .

[timid stirrup]

this is my poison lotus mod attack after i changed the last attribute to attack. 6x atk, 5x poison blast dmg and 1 defuse recovery. 4x mod 8x wf 328% poison blast dmg

i'm wondering if i shouldve put an increase dmg to boss tho....

[fierce light]

I would say Poison Blast > Attack, but when you have that much stats, it's hard to say.

Very nice set up tho, can't wait to get like that.

[timid stirrup]

yeah my poison blast 328.9% with only 5x

i kept a defuse for some kind of survivability but now im thinking i might not need it

that would make my max poison blast 360% if i made the change

and i still need 2 potential points i think

[hidden creek]

75% enigma with brown key

better than 150% with gold key

[timid stirrup]

oh nice

ive decided to stop doing enigma cuz no catch up points

[hidden creek]

they fixed it i think

[timid stirrup]

did they?

cuz i did a few this weekend and i didnt get any catch up pts

[hidden creek]

ye they fixed it

[round glacier]

You can heal during feria ultimate stage. You will be stationary though. Burn and poison go through it though so you can still die if health to low.

[fierce light]

Yeah, but Manticore will kill you faster than you can heal

[woven ingot]

And you mean "normal" heal? I thought about something special like Yueshan attack that also heal him, so damaging and staying alive, making him the MvP for Manticore I'd guess.

[round glacier]

Normal heal with berry

Yeah manticore could certainly kill you with the lightning

[tacit nest]

anyone wanna help me wit immovable ns

[fierce light]

I can

[tacit nest]

id appreciate it fam

i been trying

thunderscorch doesnt seem to help me at all

only build i got

[fierce light]

What's your in-game name or id?

[tacit nest]

10672000150169

id

all i need help with is immovable, i appreciate u

[fierce light]

Sorry, got distracted

Don't build any pendulums pls

[tacit nest]

ight

myb

that was embarrasing on my end💀

you got a recomended build for mobs?

[fierce light]

All good, should've said it early

[tacit nest]

cause shi

[fierce light]

Pretty much any Lotus build works

Ice build probably the most reliable though.

[tacit nest]

thank you again

now i can play enigma

i have 100 gold enigma runes to use

[fierce light]

Lol nice

[signal kite]

Merry Christmas

[tacit nest]

MERRY CHRISTMAS FELLAS

[warped falcon]

Perfect souljade >,<

[tacit nest]

luckkkkkyyyy

[warped falcon]

Idk about that this took me almost 500 recasts i think

[tacit nest]

DAYUM

[weak walrus]

How to get good amount of souljades ?

[plain spire]

enigma or nitiri normal/hard

[weak walrus]

Thanks

[analog aspen]

I'm currently struggling with a stage in the campaign. Is it more beneficial to level up my souljades playing some Nirriti or focusing on the right souljade build? I'm not quite sure how souljades level affects the performance

[plain spire]

level your souljade first in nitiri until 1100 then you can easily clear morus isle stages.

[analog aspen]

ok, I will probably do it like this then

it just takes so much time leveling up with Nirriti

every clear your level increases by 3 or 4

[plain spire]

just do normal solo or hard trio it's fast celar

[rough gate]

lfg Doom pls, or other any server

[plain garnet]

Could someone explain what actually counts for this achievement? I've completed several conquest levels like Enigma Peak, Nirriti, Yama, and others, but I still don't understand which of them actually contributes to earning the required points. I tried to understand the achievement description, but the Spanish translation is very confusing. Does anyone know how to complete this achievement?

[timid stirrup]

Any quest that gives u catch up points

[plain garnet]

Yesterday I literally spent the entire afternoon playing Showdown and I went from having 28pts to 32pts, it is impossible for all levels to count

[fathom bobcat]

Get crap drop = get this achievement.

[plain garnet]

Are you seriously saying that???

[fathom bobcat]

Sad, but yes.

Passed Nirriti and only got blue jades? Keep +320 points (notional) and 1 in the achievement. You exchange points every 600 fatigue for jades or crystals, achievements for items in the store.

It's basically "compensation" for getting garbage for farm. Achievement - how many times game has deemed you unworthy of getting even ridiculous crumb for your time spent.

Fastest way to pump up this achievement is to play Yushan on the easiest difficulty level.

[plain garnet]

It's the first time I've heard a person complain about things that are given to them for free xD

[granite marsh]

Its more of instead of giving us better QoL they give us this "compensation" which equate to 1 gold and 2-4 purples every 600 fatigue(20 games)

[fathom bobcat]

For time. Developers explicitly say that the current drop system is bad and unfair, but instead of replacing it, they just added crutch that doesn't really change anything.

For six months at least. It's good if there will be PvE events, otherwise we will have no content for this period.

[woven ingot]

So yes, basically this achievement is to show how unlucky you are.

[plain garnet]

Honestly, I don't care about their problems xD, I just want to know exactly what counts toward the sum for this achievement.

[timid stirrup]

not getting gold/purple on any of the quests thats not yama. u will see a (+xx) after the match above the jades

[granite marsh]

He told you how already...

[past pond]

does anyone have wuchen build? i havent play showdown for a while

[timid stirrup]

sometimes u can get 1-2 purples no gold and still get like 30-60 pts

[timid stirrup]

im currently using poison lotus on wuchen

[past pond]

is thunder good on wuchen

[timid stirrup]

um if on bosses maybe but mostly thunderscorch

[past pond]

i still on normal chapter 5 and i dont think i have that poison yet

[timid stirrup]

oh crap

[past pond]

i use this

[timid stirrup]

hmm do u have randoms that u can open?

[past pond]

alr open all

[timid stirrup]

do u have thunderproof? its a purple

[past pond]

oh dont have that yet

[timid stirrup]

and u have draco stride thats good

but ur gonna need more potential pts 4 it 2 b more effective

[past pond]

i see

[plain garnet]

What exactly do you mean by not getting gold/purple, could you be more specific please, I would greatly appreciate it

[granite marsh]

This is considered garbage drop = +Catch-up Points

[analog aspen]

Do you know if it is possible to influence the drops during the run? For example doing the "hard" levels

[stone edge]

anyone knows what showdown mode give more XP per match?

[granite marsh]

Nirriti I think

[fierce light]

Hard portals just increase the chance of getting non-rare Anima Rings

[analog aspen]

ok thanks, thats what I thought too

[plain garnet]

Oh sorry, my English is not very good and I tend to respond badly: don't take me into account if that's the case

I thought the comment was about the other guy, I'm sorry.

[past pond]

i just realize telmuch kinda eh on showdown

i just level either tarka ji or yueshan

[fierce light]

Yeah he needs Aerial Rend to be any good.

[past pond]

i just glad i level wuchen 😂 my next level should be either tarka or yueshan

[past pond]

is yueshan overcomer still good on showdown

[fierce light]

It wasn't good before, but they buffed it this season to be decent.

[past pond]

what about tarka universal slash

[fierce light]

Old vs New

[past pond]

O_O

[fierce light]

Universe Slash is decent now as a DPS option. Nothing crazy though.

[past pond]

ooo

that's interesting on yueshan

gonna try yueshan thank you 😄

[fierce light]

Still would avoid using Overcomer for bosses since it has a really long animation. The 1st Charge is plenty good enough.

[past pond]

true that

[vivid merlin]

Meanwhile, Matari be like: 🙄 🙄 🙄

[hearty rivet]

@hidden creek Even if they fixed enigma catchup it's lower than nirriti (probs bc it's is only 30 fatigue not 45)
At 100% reward, and this loot would have earned me 120 (sry, typo, fixed) points in nirriti.

[timid stirrup]

i meant getting gold or purple jades after completing a mission. as the person showed u he only got 1 purple in his nirriti hard run which is considered garbage and was granted catch up points. if he had gotten 1 gold with that 1 purple it might still give him pts but only like 60. it could decide the jades were good enough to not be granted pts

sorry i fell asleep

[thorn narwhal]

didn't knoow sea was very competitive

[amber terrace]

sure, after china sv

[thorn narwhal]

yea.. pretty useless af

[woven ingot]

I didn't knew you could be kickd out of queue. I saw people waiting more than 30 min for PvP without problem. So PvE people aren't allowed to ... wait ? ^^
On which server are you? I'm EU (the worst I'd think) and did my 4 Dooms waiting between 2 min and 5 seconds.

[thorn narwhal]

it's not queue

it's the reworked party thingy

[fierce light]

Oh you can host a party for 10 mins max, interesting

I'm glad they moved it to a more visible area

[thorn narwhal]

11-12 didn't pay attention

[woven ingot]

I didn't knew there was a new party something, I thought they simply had reworked the queue system.

[thorn narwhal]

still very bad, not a single party the whole week

[fierce light]

Yeah, it still needs to be improved. Could make it ask to create a team-up when queueing with Fill-On.

[woven ingot]

I thought the "+" were to add your friends quickly instead of going thought the friend menu ^^'
What does the party system is supposed to do bring compared to queuing for a specific fight? You make a party and then decide where you're going to go?

[thorn narwhal]

just a very basic filter for what u looking for

[woven ingot]

I see, I'd bet most people are like me, and don't know that thing exists. So nobody try to use it and you end finding no one to join you.

[thorn narwhal]

it was even more buried before last update, don't even think anyone knew it existed

[woven ingot]

I, for one, can confirm that 😂

[fierce light]

Yeah it was a weird flag/banner icon before

Very bare bones filter and lacks a description

[analog aspen]

I also never got anyone to join my party. But trying to do multiplayer seems impossible as well

[fierce light]

Need like a pure PvE lobby tbh

For Penglai

[analog aspen]

Yeah thats true

Altough I'm not sure if that would help since the player base is too low anyways

[bronze wharf]

What ? Some Kind of Pre New Year today ?

and Woo Huu finally since showdown season 1.0 finally got a 100% mod build

[fierce light]

Congrats! This my first mod build too

[bronze wharf]

really ?

[fierce light]

Yeah, I'm not very lucky with rares

[woven ingot]

Congratz, and enjoy the result ^^

[timid stirrup]

i got lucky and had a mod build last season and made a new mod build this season

but i started with 50% so it was already half built

[thorn narwhal]

the speedrun is awful

[woven ingot]

It's way easier than Manticore ^^

[thorn narwhal]

nope

gold chest area alone is worse than manticore

[woven ingot]

That one can go very chaotically. What surprised me was the damage, I didn't remembered that run was doing that much damage. Just 2 hit from random trashes and "go heal with your 10% left or die?"

[hidden creek]

impassable + wildfire pounce lol

[fierce light]

Impassable is so bad for elements

What is the stage though

[hidden creek]

eventide ember

[woven ingot]

The very first campaign map

[hidden creek]

yeah i gotta go thunderscorch

don't have no time stripping their aegis while the ground is lava everywhere

[granite marsh]

Any mission with Impassable is dreadful

[fierce light]

I'm glad they made them unable to throw purple focus attacks though with the omen

Since one parry pretty much breaks it

[hidden creek]

fk another windfall

[plain spire]

windfall and scorching main 💩 showing when you want moderatio, but on thunderscorch build when you want scorching moderation and windfall has higher chance to show game is trolling.

[hidden creek]

yeah
got 2x scorchings from flux imbuing on poison build alr

this time windfall

my mod will forever stay 75%

[plain spire]

my icebuild has 4 scorching 2 windfall zero moderation

[hidden creek]

[fierce light]

Well that's 4 max stats + 2 Windfalls

[steep patio]

That’s a poison build

Just used flux jade for 125% mod

I can never get windfalls 😓

[bold ice]

i got my 4th scorching on ice lotus build today from the yama flux jade

[hearty rivet]

butbutbut windfall is good isn't it? Or you ran out of 2nd rares on all of your souljades for 4th mod? (we should swap our luck bc I alwasy get mod above 100% ^^; )

I wonder if thunderscorch people are asleep or doing seasonal things bc suddenly most of the latest yama kills are done with ice or poison builds 👀

[thorn narwhal]

damn could have done 1 min on kuru if i hadn't died on ult

they really should nerf the lightening on healing circle even with few defuses still can't survive

[fierce light]

Does it have mobs?

[hearty rivet]

Only Manticore

[hidden creek]

Well i mean at least it's not scorching
Slots for rares is still there but i got no flux left 😂

[plain spire]

Nitiri NS

[twin ledge]

Was able to do it with arcane thunder burn instead of copper in 56 seconds on Tessa

[lyric ibex]

can anyone help with manticore nightscream in NA

[steep patio]

Still need?

[lyric ibex]

if you dont mind helping

2701300000164

[steep patio]

Ok 1 sec

In a game almost done

[lyric ibex]

no worries

[tacit nest]

you need one more??

[lyric ibex]

sure

[tacit nest]

inv me whenev

10672000150169

[ebon parrot]

guys how do we get aqua chains again

need poison element and hydroflare?

[ebon parrot]

in nirriti

[fierce light]

Just a random chance of appearing

[tacit nest]

@fierce light

BRO

GUESS WHAT I GOT

[fierce light]

What up

[tacit nest]

ghastbloom dawg

[timid stirrup]

nice congrats. hope it was decent stat wise

[woeful monolith]

Im on 12 Scorcing on my poison build as well , FML

[fierce light]

Congrats!

[woeful monolith]

I feel for you man, but why didn't you recast few those before you put a second rare on?

[tacit nest]

nooooppeee

but we can work that

also if forgot what the tree build is for poison lotus

can someone pin that again?

[timid stirrup]

it should already b pinned

#👾┃showdown message

[tacit nest]

got it

\thanks

[tacit nest]

i got a scorching on ghastbloom bro

😭

mannnnnnnnn

the one i dont need it on

[fierce light]

Coasting through Enigma Domain Trios https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1052311236466970754/1321726421269348362/image.png?ex=676e4927&is=676cf7a7&hm=3ce6ef0f0c06de26e7d845c851cd1f9ae8405c0d2f6a62fd4161b6131badc04e&

[tacit nest]

lmfao i was just playing with those guys and i got shit on

💀

[tacit nest]

how do you cast it on like every hit??

[signal kite]

All I can hear is boom boom boom 💥💥💥

[tacit nest]

That’s funny

[signal kite]

Thunderscorch

🥵

[tacit nest]

It’s funny cuz I was talking to dark zero ab it

I got scorching plus 3 on thunderproof instead of Draco

He said keep it

Then I got thi

[signal kite]

Lol

[tacit nest]

if i deconstruct it

do i keep the flux?

since i already got 12 scorch

[fierce light]

From having [Moderation] at a high %

[signal kite]

If u have a 12 scorch thunderscorch build then there's no point in keeping that draco u just got

The attribute's values aren't promising either like 1.4% atk

[tacit nest]

word

[hidden creek]

i hate korvine 1st phase so much

just cast tessa V on it and it decide to do a combo or that annoying cross-map charge

and my V is wasted

[tacit nest]

mushan sucks too

hate tha woman

[wind light]

ice or poison lotus

[tacit nest]

My first time ever bro.

I’m sweating man

[fathom bobcat]

🤔

[rough ermine]

Just a question guys, i'm a bit lost here. I have all the respective jades for a good build but my sense level is simply too low.

What should i be doing in Showdown? If i'm not mistaken i should be trying to farm spare jades to level my main jades.

For morus isle, the sense level required is very high.

[hidden creek]

go farm nirriti

level up your sense

then clear morus isle

[wind light]

shouls i go ice or poison lotus

[rough ermine]

Thanks. Is it the main method of farming in new showdown?

[hidden creek]

any is fine

[hidden creek]

yeah, it's literally old yama/void

[rough ermine]

Ah got it, thanks a lot dude.

[wind light]

thanks, btw the mobs in enigma peak is stronger than normal enigma

[hidden creek]

yes

[wind light]

is that true

[hidden creek]

on peak everything is stronger

[wind light]

cool because i havent recast my lotus kit but it deal good dmg in normal enigma

2-3mil a match

[hidden creek]

hmm

tbf i never did mobbing on peak

bossing only

so i don't really know the requirement or how different it is

about mobbing on peak vs enigma domain

but the total dmg for 3 ppl on enigma domain is around 13~15 mil for 9 bosses, that's include mobbing damages

so 2-3mil is abit low i think

[tacit nest]

1 2 3

[hidden creek]

FK YEAH

https://tenor.com/view/yessss-hell-yeah-brother-gif-22960551

[tacit nest]

WWWW

good looking jade

[hidden creek]

4 mods 4 windfalls
but i got 0 defuse recovery atm

[timid stirrup]

how many inc dmg to boss do u have?

i have 0 and im kinda jealous of urs

[hidden creek]

it's there, 30%

i mean i think it would be nice cuz it's a diff layer of dmg multiply

but i'm not really sure though lol, but eh after poison blast dmg and attack there's nothing else to take anyway

[timid stirrup]

i meant on how many jades do u have it on

oh nvm u said 4mods 4 wf

[hidden creek]

4, but 3 of them got windfall so

[timid stirrup]

thats where we differ i have 8 wf so i dont have anywhere to put dmg 2 boss

[hidden creek]

idk if i can afford playing with 0 defuse trigger recovery

[timid stirrup]

i feel the exact same way

[hidden creek]

8 windfall wtf

[hidden creek]

oh huh

[timid stirrup]

i have 2x 3.2 atk and a 3.4 atk

[hidden creek]

oh, was wondering why u got 8 wf but ur attack and poison blast dmg is not much higher compare to mine

[timid stirrup]

i was thinking same thing

[signal kite]

@hidden creek what's the max value of increase dmg to non boss monster ? 4% or 5% ?

[hidden creek]

5%

[signal kite]

Ahhh ok

shall i keep the 4% or keep rerolling for max % ???!!!

[hidden creek]

hmmm if it was me i'd keep rolling

but idk

[signal kite]

Ok

[hidden creek]

90% of max value is ehh

[signal kite]

I understood what to do UwU

[hidden creek]

ye

now is to work on my ice build

[signal kite]

💀

[woven ingot]

Getting lucky. That’s nice.

[hidden creek]

💀 4 flux for 1 desired rare attribute is not ''lucky'' at all

[woven ingot]

Well not really. First flux is 30% chance to have the wanted one. Next are 50%.
So needing 4 isn’t great.
That’s what i m expected to face too. But as all my Jades got at least 1 rare mod already it’s not like i got a choice.

The « i don’t have any flux and there is no real way to farm them » being the main trouble.

[hidden creek]

don't know if anyone tested this

but i feel like when you do recast on a high value/maxed value attribute

the chance of getting a rare attribute is higher

compare to recasting a low value attribute

so if your goal is flux shards

the best way to get it is to do recast on trash jades that have high value attribute

[woven ingot]

I ll have to keep that in mind and test it once my attributes are maxed.
For now my fragments go into maxing my attributes which is eating those like an abyss

After that, or i try what you said: trying to get rares and destroy them for flux shards. Or i work on a thunderscorch build.

[hidden creek]

when i do rare finding on jades that i'm gonna use, ofc i gonna recast the lowest attribute
and it always tooks like 100+ attempts to get one

but when i'm low on materials and try to fix the jade attribute

like trying to recast a 15% hp to a 4% attk

rare pops up earlier

[woven ingot]

I m a bit more lucky than that i think. But i can’t remember if it was on high value atttributes or medium or low.

Could also be because you already rerolled those attributes and so you got an increased chance for rare.
If the tooltip is true, the more you reroll an attribute the more chances you got to roll a rare. A kinda hidden pity system for them

[hidden creek]

nah i keep track of my rerolling

[woven ingot]

Psychopath 😂

[hidden creek]

well i mean i didn't make a chart but when i reached the roll pity 2nd times i know it's more than 100 rolls w/o a rare alr

[woven ingot]

Yep you can take that as a valuable hint

[timid stirrup]

if i didnt have 2 flux jades i would test out that theory on higher % stat rr into rare

im trying 2 build tscorch now

but i need the damn scorches

so far i got a mod and a wf

[woven ingot]

I may give that a try to get flux shards once i m done with maxing the atk and ice damage. But that won’t be any time soon. I got them at around 90% but maxing 12 attribute to 100% is a hell.

[hidden creek]

i wouldn't even bother lol

[woven ingot]

And as i got 4 mod anyway i may do like Flip and start working on thunderscorch instead of spending a colossal amount of ressources on the 5 missing wf

[timid stirrup]

well i will need it to get flux shards when each of my jades have a single rare

[hidden creek]

yeah you'll eventually ended up needing nothing but flux

[woven ingot]

That’s the only way to farm flux. But i m not gonna lie: i don’t feel like it’s a good one.

[timid stirrup]

im aiming for 4x scorch 8x wf for my tscorch lol

[hidden creek]

the whole system is designed to bring us nothing but frustration anyway

[timid stirrup]

im a psycho

[woven ingot]

Like any of the 3 major builds yes, you need 4 and 8.

[timid stirrup]

if i can 4x mod 8x wf i can do the same 4 tscorch

[woven ingot]

I m fine with heavy grinding things like warframe. But here is something else. It’s colossal grinding for high chances of nothing.

[timid stirrup]

thankfully the season is super long

[woven ingot]

Sure you can. It needs time and good rng.

[hidden creek]

isn't it riven reroll is just the same

[timid stirrup]

1 of my buddy thinks i should try 444 build

[woven ingot]

Riven reroll may be a bit similar. I rarely use riven. And thus don’t roll them.
But there s a big difference, rivens aren’t necessary at all. Any good non riven build will do marvels. Riven may not even be icing on the cake.
While having 4x/8x in Naraka is very important for your build and will make a difference.

People who go for rivens in Warframe usually do it for money or because they have got absolutely everything else, so why not for rivens.

[hidden creek]

tbf majority of weapons benefits from having a good riven

and warframe got like, idk, 5000 weapons or something

[woven ingot]

It’s a little plus if you got a good one. But honestly i think i only got one or two rivens and i can’t tell the difference.
Basically everything dies in one hit without riven. So it’s not like you need them to make a big difference. While having your main rare mods in Naraka does make a big difference.

[woven ingot]

Reading between the lines, last Yama stage this week is Manticore?
How do people deal with the lighting breath (when you re not Wuchen)?
I don’t think you can grapple anything on Yama?
All the other things i tried weren’t reliable:

• grappling on her and trying to stay in the air with grappling the ground and double jumping (the way he does in the video).
• Jumping over the breath.
• managing to get to her right flank and turning with her.

Or the easy solution, as she probably has way less hp than the « normal » one, is simply to try to kill her before she get « breath » randomly chosen as her next attack?

[granite marsh]

Just jump, works the best

Don't think the game intends for it to be avoided any other way apart from chain defuse

[woven ingot]

Iirc the video preview of the boss showcased the character jumping over the breath. That looked easy. When i do it, it doesn’t look that easy tho 😂

[hidden creek]

just lotus it

[analog aspen]

I'm working on my first build. Are there sources that help finding the most optimal attributes for each souljade?

[hidden creek]

check pinned

[analog aspen]

yeah I saw that, I just dont understand it xD

[hidden creek]

which part of it you don't understand?

[analog aspen]

"x4 [Scorching], x8 [Windfall]" I have never seen any of those on my souljades

I suppose they are obtainable through recasts as I have never done one

[hidden creek]

those are rare attributes

low chance to get from recasting

very very low chance to get from drop

[analog aspen]

Ahh ok thanks

So that means I should try to recast my souljades until I get those and keep the attack and health attributes?

[hidden creek]

not really

some build require a certain amount of rares attribute to works

some doesn't

[signal kite]

[hidden creek]

this build is called thunderscorch, and yes it does require scorchings level 9+ to be worth to use

but other than that, hp and attack is also important, because this is a burn based build (most dmg comes from burn), with blazing flame potential you convert your HP% to burn dmg

and attack explained itself

[signal kite]

So complicated

[hidden creek]

but getting rare attributes is not easy, could take alot of time, effort and luck, so if you just started better choose a build that function **without **the need of rare attributes, use that build to farm materials and slowly building the ''meta/endgame'' build with rares

[cyan vapor]

You can see the recommended attributes while recasting. (for the specific souljade)

[signal kite]

[analog aspen]

now that I know this, I might choose a different build to start then. I didn't know that there are minimal requirements for a build to work

[signal kite]

Yeap that build needs high investment from the start just to work lol

[analog aspen]

Yes! I saw those

[hidden creek]

all the end game builds requires specific amount of rare attributes

if you just started i recommend ice/poison lotus build

which can be built into mod lotus, one of the end game build atm
as the name suggest, the rare attribute you want on this build is moderation

[analog aspen]

I will have a look at those then. I just have to see if I already have the right souljades

[signal kite]

How many moderation things I would need

[hidden creek]

75-100% recommended

[signal kite]

[signal kite]

What if i get 200% mod will I get to use my skill 2 times after each elemental burst ?

[hidden creek]

no 😂

mod capped at 100%

[river stratus]

[hidden creek]

over 100 it does nothing

[signal kite]

Embarassing

[hidden creek]

i know you're trolling but i'll let you have the fun of pretending not knowing

[signal kite]

[cyan vapor]

Let me ask a question as well. Why are all the recommended builts with frost wielding. Even if I use a thunder-scorch built.

I have used thunder wielding all the time tbh

[hidden creek]

thunder scorch is a burn based dmg, you don't care about element damage on this build
but the most important reason is imbuing your soul jades with ice element gonna make your thunder bar stack faster > more divine thunder for you to parry > more scorchings active

[analog aspen]

[signal kite]

[cyan vapor]

Makes sense

So Ice does charge faster than thunder

I’ll change it

[hidden creek]

element imbue on your soul jades does 3 things:

• make you able to stack the elements on attack to cause elemental burst
• make you stack element faster
• lessen element stack on yourself

[cyan vapor]

Idk what imbue is tbh

[hidden creek]

imbue, wielding, whatever

[cyan vapor]

Ah oke

And the way to acivate wielding is by simply doing dmg right?

[hidden creek]

and using skills

[cyan vapor]

Stacking*

Alright

I fell like a noob again haha

Reset to zero 😂

[analog aspen]

[cyan vapor]

May I ask another question 😅

Windfall does extra sub attributes. Which attributes are effected by windfall.

[hidden creek]

''extra sub attributes'' in this context means ''normal attributes that aren't rare attributes''

[cyan vapor]

Aaah oke that makes sense

So attack and thunder dmg in this case

[hidden creek]

yes

not scorching

[cyan vapor]

Thank you 🙏

[signal kite]

[analog aspen]

Feels like rocket science

[signal kite]

Fr fr

I would if my ping wasn't like 6678 rn

Which thing r u guys playing

Ohh

U can just turn fill party off and start , coz me with high ping is same as having no 3rd member

Me and my Cooked network

[fierce light]

Poison

[analog aspen]

I probably give up trying to play showdown in multiplayer at this point

[fickle linden]

should i turn all my epic souljades to materials for rerolling stats on my build?

[analog aspen]

I think some of them are still usable for builds

[fierce light]

Don't think anyone queues up for Nightscream at this point. Hard is the usual grind spot

[void ivy]

which server?

[analog aspen]

eu

I just wanted to clear it at least once

[void ivy]

can't help, I am SEA

[analog aspen]

I keep failing on stage 15

[fickle linden]

anyone know whats the chance to get [Moderation]

seems very rare

[fierce light]

1/3 chance

When you get a rare attribute

It refuses to give me any more Windfalls. 😢 Flux Jade Shards not allowing you to choose sucks

[cyan vapor]

Someone know what to do, to unlock the missing anima ring after inferno hero in nirritis?

It’s the secret collection*

[signal kite]

Agree, according to the rarity they should give us the chance to select rare by ourselves

Obnoxious

[hidden creek]

which one you missing?

[cyan vapor]

Divine army

[hidden creek]

https://youtu.be/kRkeLt0mMa0

[woven ingot]

Enjoy the hunt for the worst anima ring 😛

[hidden creek]

oh btw you can only get the "Lost'' curse on Nirriti nightscream and legend now

it won't appear on normal and hard

[woven ingot]

I agree that as rare as Flux are they should allow us to choose which rare attribute to get.

[cyan vapor]

Oh no haha

[hidden creek]

@fierce light how do you play poison mod viper? 1 F and 1 charge is not enuf for poison blast

[round glacier]

Cyan fang lol

Spamm horizontal

[hidden creek]

fuck that jade

[fierce light]

Viper's a bit rough on it due to having a relatively weak charged attack and ability. Horizontal Energy should bring it down to 2 charged attacks after the ability. If not, then there's also Arcane Thunder which brings it down to 1 2nd Charge + 1 1st Charge.

[woven ingot]

Don’t be mean to Cyan Fang. It’s a nice jade!

[hidden creek]

is it worth it to give up on miasma drive?

[stoic rapids]

This is useless?.?

Im new

[woven ingot]

It’s great for ice build. Double moderation, high attack. Just replace health by « ice elemental damage ».

[stoic rapids]

Today i need 20 time to pass Astral3

Mtfk manticore

[fierce light]

Yeah pretty much, she takes too long to proc it

[stoic rapids]

It reduce cd of jade or character skill?

[fierce light]

Who said it's useless?

[timid stirrup]

if its useless u can just give it 2 me

[woven ingot]

The cd of your skill. You want to have 4 of them to reset your skill each time you proc an explosion.

[sullen pawn]

is ice lotus moderation alot stronger than the 12 windfall variaton or the damage difference isnt that crazy?

[fierce light]

Depends on the hero. Heroes with weak-hitting abilities would prefer the 12 Windfall version.

[amber terrace]

everyone like use ranged weapon in nirriti ruin?

[fierce light]

Only with cannon, the rest are kinda troll. Especially Swarm.

[woven ingot]

I use them in normal mode Nirriti so I don't have to climb every building where archers are standing.
In NS mode, nope. They deal really low damage, you can't counter, and you have to repair those weapons every 6-10 seconds. So it's only to get rid of the green hornets (big sad moment if I'm with SWarm or Cannon for those).

[fickle linden]

if i do morus isle level without fatigue can i still farm special item drops from it?

[woven ingot]

If you don't use fatigue, you don't have any item as reward.

[fierce light]

Interesting, wonder if they increased the drops this week

[analog aspen]

I honestly also had some very lucky rounds

[woven ingot]

That's nice to watch. Sadfully I can't report such luck on my side so far.

[fickle linden]

i kinda messed up

i shouldve farmed better jades before starting to recast them

[amber terrace]

yea, i get 2 rare att this week

[timid stirrup]

omw to tscorch got my 1st scorch

i was gonna rr the wf into scorch but gambled on getting scorch with flux

now just need scorch 2x on thunder counter lol

which i just rr'd mod into a max stat

@hidden creek i will b testing ur higher % stat turning into a rare faster than lower % on that jade

[amber terrace]

wdym?

[timid stirrup]

if i can get 2x scorching on thunder counter i'll have 3x scorching on core jades. which would = +9 scorching

[amber terrace]

just up +1 to +3

[timid stirrup]

right but that will b later when i get at least another scorching on thunder counter

[amber terrace]

hmm idk what you want

how many scorching u have

[timid stirrup]

just the 1 for now

hence y i said on my way to a tscorch build

cuz im gonna try building that build

[amber terrace]

u mean building thunder scorching?

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/picard-facepalm-oh-no-oh-hell-no-no-gif-10723914200679373178

[woven ingot]

I gotta agree that reward is nice. And I didn't even killed the last boss.

[bronze wharf]

i was testing and found out that . . so every each counter with Ghastbloom is also work like that ? i was today year old , i didn't knew that

[fierce light]

That's probably a bug

[warped falcon]

Since when was this a thing -.-

Was trying to get windfall but game decided to make sure i get exactly what i dont need T,T

[woven ingot]

I was wondering if I didn't saw that happen. So you can have the same rare as you already had.

Which mean you don't have a 50% chance to get the one you want after your firt miss, but a 33% chance forever. Doesn't sound good if it's so.

That was with a normal recast, right?

[fierce light]

Yeah there's no guarantee you'll ever get the rares you want.

[bronze wharf]

Blossom Blast will Trigger after our lotus are expire and when their lotus max number is exceeded right ? that's why Blossom Blast are triggering with every counter . That's what i think .

[fierce light]

Yeah, but don't think you're supposed to be able to parry them.

Oh wait

[hidden creek]

he parried the boss's attack

not the lotus lol

[bronze wharf]

yes

[woven ingot]

And in the end that was the parry of your divine thunder proc I guess?

Ye that's it. Parrying the boss projectiles make your thunder bar fills and then you got your divine thunder to counter.

[hidden creek]

i mean there's nothing abnormal here

you got the ring that when parry summon 1 lotus

so the lotus count keep exceeding > big lotus keep exploding

[bronze wharf]

i mean every counter are triggering Blossom Blast , yes also count with Thundercounter .

[timid stirrup]

yes trying to build thunderscorch

[fierce light]

Oh okay, didn't realize he was doing his swarm attack

[bronze wharf]

yea i aslo thinking like that .

[fierce light]

But yeah that's just the Mighty Lotus Counter Anima Ring Souljade making it exceed

[woven ingot]

That's not Nirriti, so no anima for parry gives a lotus. But you got it in your build?

[hidden creek]

oh that's not nirriti

yeah there's lotus counter

[woven ingot]

Wait, that was Nirriti Xiao? That boss doesn't have that phase in Nirriti.

[hidden creek]

nah it's not

[bronze wharf]

nightscream , i always test my souljades and loadout there

[hidden creek]

i thought it was nirriti

but nirriti you don't have the text on the top left

[woven ingot]

Do you got Lotus Counter in your build Xiao?

[bronze wharf]

i'll show you a little minute

[fierce light]

Mighty Lotus Counter one of the main things for Thunder Lotus

[woven ingot]

Lotus counter is especially good against that boss during his 50% hp phase, as you'll counter a lot.

[bronze wharf]

Actually i don't know what to replace with Arcane Thunder and Thundere Mystery . I was Testing These 2 .

in the end i did only Played , forgot to test with these 2 . I just realize now

[woven ingot]

Yep that's it. Each time you counter a projectile from the boss you got a lotus. As you're already at 6 that lotus is removed and you get a blast from Ghastbloom.
And in the end your thunder bar is filled and you counter your divine thunder for a lot of free lotuses that explode on the target.

(Does the whole countering of divine thunder count as one counter or 6-7?)

[hidden creek]

thunder lotus setup prolly look like this

[woven ingot]

That sounds fun.

[fierce light]

Max of 4 Lotuses, a full Thunder Counter refreshes all of your current Lotuses and turns the old ones into Ghastblooms.

[fierce light]

Yeah, just unfortunate Lotus Counter requires a Counterstrike instead of just a parry.

[hidden creek]

also you gotta go divine thunder dmg on this build meaning all sj have to be thunder wielding
but doing so gonna decrease your self-thunder accumulation

[bronze wharf]

so i was right ?

[bronze wharf]

yes i want to create pure Thunderbuild with Lotus

[hidden creek]

not worth it

i tried

all the signs are bad

[fierce light]

Takes too long to charge Thunderpull for most heroes.

[hidden creek]

it can't compete with ice/poison lotus

[woven ingot]

But it has the advantage to not be mandatory to use rare attributes, so as a "beginer" build it's not too bad. If we don't look at the fact that 3-4 of the Jades are red and thus not very beginer-friendly that is ^^'

[bronze wharf]

speaking about ice and poison , i feel like poison build are more good to clearing Mob even don't have a moderation build .

i mean normal ice / poison build .

[fierce light]

Poison has better base damage for mobbing (cause of Toxin Blast) and can have chain reactions from Pestilent Pool. Ice is much easier to proc though.

[hidden creek]

wrong
1: ice and poison lotus can totally function w/o the need of rares
2: with a build that rely alot on divine thunder to do damages, you can clearly see this build lacks the dmg boost sj

i guarantee ice/poison lotus w/o any rare will outperform thunder lotus

[woven ingot]

Alright, I didn't knew Ice/Poison non MOD were that good.

[fierce light]

Yeah should be faster than procing Thunderpull against pretty much anything.

[fickle linden]

forest peril nightscream just refuses to drop miasma to me 👀

[fierce light]

Much safer too cause no interruption.

[timid stirrup]

bring back suffer no demon

[fierce light]

They said something about working on an event

[woven ingot]

That was by far the fastest and funniest farm.
With one problem tho, you couldn't enter solo, unless i missed something.

[fierce light]

You could, just had to turn fill off

Would be crazy with the current Lotus builds.

[woven ingot]

Ah perfect then.

[granite marsh]

Cannon Tarka would trivialise it

[fierce light]

Would be too slow tbh lol

Mod Tarka would be better even in that case

[timid stirrup]

poison cannon makes a comeback just for that event lol

[fierce light]

By the time you shoot 2 cannon shots to proc element, someone else would clear it

[timid stirrup]

not if ur solo >.>

[thorn narwhal]

whyyyyy

[thorn narwhal]

bad luck continues, there goes the 120+ recasts

anyone know if i accept it somehow resets rare appearing chance?

[leaden relic]

Well, from Trizzy’s pic, only the level of the stat changed, so I think even if you accept the Scorching +1 next could be +2 or +3 either way.

[leaden relic]

How many recasts this took?

[fierce light]

Doubt it

[thorn narwhal]

it's random could still be +1 or other rares

[leaden relic]

Yeah I didn’t know duplicating the stat with different level was possible, I was so frustrated that I passed the stat on, never let scorching sit on poison build. Guess I could try with the left overs now to see what happens.

[warped falcon]

180 plus for sure. THE first red i got was moderation so i tried to reroll to get scorching but i got a max stat so decided to keep that and changed to health and then another 60 to get another red which was scorching which i needed at the time

I have 15 scorching now so i was trying to reroll that scorching to windfall

I got 2nd windfall today thooo so suppper happy

[leaden relic]

Oh okay, so scorching has some increased drop rate, or that’s how it feels like atm. Guess I will keep flux jades for next season.

[warped falcon]

Next season is 3 months away tho

Welp actually its 5 months away xD

Damn you have some mental strength if you can keep all your flux until next season

[leaden relic]

Yes I’m having honeymoon phase with marvel rivals, I’ve everything stashed so far cause I’m lazy as well. Just some weekly jade grind and offline for now. Basically waiting for enigma to open now. 🤷‍♂️

[fierce light]

After I max my poison build, going to try to stock up for next season as well

Tired of not having a max build

[woven ingot]

But if you max your poison build, then you won't be "not having a max build"! 😂

[timid stirrup]

So ur saying that it might b better for me to not work on tscorch since I have a basically maxed poison lotus mod...

[granite marsh]

Holy rerolling for a max stat is crazy, I dumped 200+ shards at this point

[fierce light]

No probably going to need the Scorch build to compete in Yama's in the higher stages

[timid stirrup]

i got a top 10 in yama's 2 week in a row so that should count for the season when it ends right

or does it need to be top 10 at season end

[woven ingot]

It's the season's end that counts afaik.

[fierce light]

Yeah just the end, each week just gives a title

[timid stirrup]

damn

ok i guess i'll keep trying to build it

but im not gonna try 4scorch 8wf cuz that might break me

[shrewd basin]

Some one make me a range build for the bow I’m in that kinda mood

[river stratus]

swap miasma drive with toxic arrows

[fierce light]

Ice Lotus would probably be better since you can't activate Infectious Touch with Bow.

Not that it would perform well anyway cause it is Bow

[fickle linden]

im starting to hate manticore

can you have 4 [Mod] in one jade

my build is so trash 0 dmg

[fierce light]

Yeah, but it's more optimal to have 2 rares per jade

[vast warren]

LF2 Hardmode showdown mission SEA PS5

[plain spire]

His actually easy if you know his attack pattern, there's that thai break down guide on manticore that guide helps me finish manticore with poison & ice lotus no rares, i'd rather fight manti than 2nd phase rock and 1st phase korvine 😅

[fickle linden]

do you have link for break down guide? 🤔

and yeah rock i hate more than anything

[plain spire]

https://youtu.be/HiFRw0Opaec?si=Sct5wCsvCnBWysif

[fierce light]

Manticore has an annoying amount of mixups

[wind light]

why scorching is good for yama abyss but not for enigma

meanwhile scroching cant deal dmg like lotus build

[fierce light]

Cause you can farm for counters as much as you want in Yama's, but not so easy to do in any Trios gamemode.

1 Scorching 12 hits about as hard as 4 Bloomblasts iirc.

[wind light]

counter in yama is hard like hell , i ant even do it in a perfect time

[wind light]

its dmg a lot of dmg however i have to wait for the counter thing

like playing with scroching you need a big brain 😭

[fierce light]

Yeah pretty much just quick restart if boss doesn't start off with Focus Attacks.

From there you aim for as many parries as you can outside of your Thunderpull

[wind light]

one more question, like i charged enough with my thunder, when i was parrying but the boss still attack me. is there anything i can do beside parry

wrong time when the thunder hit me

[fickle linden]

is there way to put tessa in the top slot here?

idk why viper ning is top and tarka in middle

[fierce light]

The timing is tight, but you can do a dodge during some of them

[ebon parrot]

thoughts on whether i should deconstruct this or recast the rare?

[fierce light]

Recast the rare. Already got 2 BiS Maxed Attributes on it

[ebon parrot]

oki

[plain spire]

150% loot result pretty bad, i get better loot at 75% than 150

[signal kite]

King of bad luck

[analog aspen]

How can those catch up points be converted? I have also noticed that I have a lot off them

[surreal saffron]

once you have consume 600 fatigue, it would convert the points to jades

so the first time would be at 600 fatigue, then 1200, 1800 and finally 2400

[analog aspen]

I see thats the reward you get there every time

[woven ingot]

I checked about that yesterday The game doesn’t order heroes by ranking, but by sense level. And if same sense level by they order in the character selection screen.
As all my heroes have the same set, my order is Viper, Feria, tianhai. While I got top 10 with Viper it’s coherant. But the 2 others have no ranking. And i got a Tessa not on list with a top 7 ranking pr something.

If there is a way to choose the order, I haven’t found where it’s hidden.

[bronze wharf]

well one way you can do it , put the souljades on only 3 heroes . That's all

[signal kite]

just gib me a moderation man i keep rolling windfalls T^T

[errant yew]

could anyone help me out with manticors hunt hard?

[lusty pilot]

How comes people have 5 attributes on their souljades? I only have 4

[surreal saffron]

souljades have 4 attributes and 1 element

the element one would be between(ice-wielding, thunder or poison) and then 4 attributes

you can either use shrouded jade to add the extra attribute(which its most likely your case) or use the essence to add the missing element on the jade

[lusty pilot]

👍

[chrome seal]

How many recasts does it take to get a 2nd rare stat?
I got mine 1st rares within around 100recasts on each jade which is tolerable, however yesterday I tried to recast another attribute on a jade to get 2nd rare and it didn't work out by doing even around 250recasts.

You guys think it's just better to recast random jades to get a rare within 100recasts and then deconstruct them to use the 2 flux shards on main jades to confirm it?

[timid stirrup]

only 1st rare stat can be recasted. 2nd rare stat can only be imbued with flux jade or 2 flux shards

[signal kite]

yea use 2flux shards to get the 2nd rare on main jade

[stoic rapids]

Guys, does Tarka Ji good at showdown ?.?

https://tenor.com/view/mario-block-question-gif-25441937

[signal kite]

Yeap currently very good

[stoic rapids]

I find a combo a bit time consuming and dash defense takes quite a while

[signal kite]

@stoic rapids

Current tier for heroes

[chrome seal]

Omg wish I knew that before xd. Thanks for the info mate

[signal kite]

posting again coz 351 looks better than 346

[granite marsh]

What's Tarka's go to combo? I do charged verticals>dodge repeat all the time and he underperforms compared to other chars regardless of build

Probably a skill issue lmao

[granite marsh]

How many windfalls?

[signal kite]

8

Keep getting windfalls but I just need 1 mod lol

[timid stirrup]

how many poisons u got? 6x?

[signal kite]

Poisons ?

[granite marsh]

I've been somewhat lucky on my rares I think, 2000 shards 8 Mods and 5 Windfalls 0 Scorchings appearance across 2 builds

[timid stirrup]

yea do u have it on each jade?

shit my vbad

ice

ice blast is on every jade?

im barely awake sorry

lol

[granite marsh]

Probably, cause 30% on each Jade only adds up to 180%

[signal kite]

3 - 30%
1 - 25.5%
1 - 28.5%
And a noob ghastbloom I got 23.7%

[signal kite]

Sadly no

[timid stirrup]

so 6x. i chose 6x atk and 5x poison blast and 1x defuse recovery for my poison lotus mod

[timid stirrup]

thats still pretty damn good

i have 4x 30% and a 28.3 for my poison blasts

so im at 328.9%

my atks need work tho. i have 2x 3.2 and a 3.4 while the other 3 r maxed at 4. putting me at 405 atk

[signal kite]

That's very good amount atk u got how much more do u need 💀

[timid stirrup]

and i need to cap my defuse recovery. its 166 atm

[signal kite]

I can try maxing them up to like 16% adding 366% ice blast at the end

Before that need 1 mod lol

[timid stirrup]

yea get the last mod b4 maxing them

i thought of putting a dmg to boss but im gonna stick with atk

[signal kite]

Atk is universal works against both mobs and boss

[timid stirrup]

yea i also thought of removing my defuse for poison but i kinda like the cure

[fierce light]

Tarka's weapon DPS isn't that impressive, but the recent buff to Universe Slash made it the ideal option for damage output.

[granite marsh]

With a lotus build i'd just do Universe Slash till the elemental burst?

[fierce light]

Poison Lotus would need Arcane Thunder to proc it in one Universe Slash, otherwise, you'll need 2 with his Fireball.

Ice Lotus doesn't need Arcane Thunder, although it can be helpful for mobbing.

[hidden creek]

weird, i remember it took me 1 fire ball + 1 universe slash to proc poison blast on boss nvm it was 1 fire ball + 1 universe slash and 1 rmb follow/lmb aegis break

[uncut juniper]

How is Tessa

[fierce light]

Tessa's is pretty good when you account for her 2nd Charged Vertical

[stoic heron]

@fierce light Hey man i'm just curious about the Nirriti's Ruins hidden trait "Divine Army From The Sky" When you need to break that wall with the charge ability from the boss. I've tried many times to get the boss to charge the wall, but i do not seem to break, any tips?

[hidden creek]

not necessary to be the charge, the wall have a certain ''HP'', you just need to let the boss hit it enough
https://youtu.be/pD5WugcaSjo

[stoic heron]

thaaaank you Tabbie!!!

also does it need to be on Nightscreme difficulty or can i also get the "Lost" enccounter/Curse on lower difficulties?

[hidden creek]

as for now must be nightscream or legend

[stoic heron]

Alright ^^

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Yang leveled up!

[stoic heron]

Damn, is that the Scorching build aswell as the Ice/Lotus Build?

[untold marsh]

yeah

Tessa can close the gap with her abilities

[stoic heron]

Which makes it easier to trigger the Lotus?

[fierce light]

Her ability hits pretty hard to proc it

[untold marsh]

not easier, her ult can be used at 60% and breaks manticore's aegis

plus the fact that her f is a multi-hit

[fierce light]

Ability + 2nd Charged Vertical should be enough to proc Ice Blast on bosses

Ability + 2nd Charged Vertical + Aegis-Break Skill for Poison Blast

[fickle linden]

should i swap from poison lotus to ice lotus?

[limpid pecan]

is it better to go ice lotus with ice jades or with counter and thunder jades?

i saw two versions

[fierce light]

Thunder jades gives around the same output for more effort

[fierce light]

Ice does appear more effective

[limpid pecan]

ok so if i wanna go ice lotus, i basically have the build good to go, just need to steal jades from old ice build

and i put ghast+ele lotus

and is better to go 4/4/4 on rares or 8 windfall 4 mod?

[untold marsh]

CN said it's a good build but why would you anyone invest in it if you have thunder scorching form last season.

[limpid pecan]

maybe for clearing enigma is good?

with mod

[untold marsh]

ice is better than thunder for enigma

since the astral aegis on bosses is low you can just spam your skills

[untold marsh]

i meant the thunder lotus build

[limpid pecan]

ok i see

[untold marsh]

4 mods / 8windfalls

[fierce light]

He was talking about the hybrid ice Lotus build

[untold marsh]

with thunderpull ?

[limpid pecan]

one build i saw was just ice jades + ele lotus + ghast

other build had mighty lotus counter + ghast + thunderpull/counter

[untold marsh]

the first one is what i use in this video

[untold marsh]

yeah

CN said this is not worth investing on

[fierce light]

Yeah

[limpid pecan]

u think thunderscorch will beat ice lotus for last level of yama?

presumably eerie manticore

[untold marsh]

yeah definetly

[fierce light]

Low accumulation rate probably makes the bloomblasts occur at a similar rate

[untold marsh]

it's only performing like this now on tessa alone

because of the low aegis

[limpid pecan]

i have close to max stats thunderscorch rn

[fierce light]

The Astral Aegis scaling is a bit ridiculous though, hope they tuned it down this time

[untold marsh]

yeah if they want the elemental builds to stand a chance

[fierce light]

Doesn't make sense that it scales anyway since our Aegis damage doesn't scale with level

[untold marsh]

then unless they nerf it you should be good for yama

[limpid pecan]

im just debating if i should gut 200 defuse triggers recovery for 1 more windfall

rn i have one roll defuse rec and one roll counter rec

[untold marsh]

if you're going for leaderboards then you need the most you can get

if not and you feel comfortable with 400+ healing then you're good

[limpid pecan]

think EU is not that competitive in showdown tbh

doesnt need to be absolute perfect run

[untold marsh]

yeah EU is not as competitive as other regions

[limpid pecan]

im just thinking with 300/300 defuse+counter recovery

i can save the run if i get poisoned or hit by some attack once

dunno if i have patience to grind 2 weeks 24/7

for absolute best run

i guess i will see when we are there

i have 5months left still

[woven ingot]

Not really worth it for now, as a new level will be released every week.

[fierce light]

Going to try and max my Poison build before I do my Thunder Scorch

[woven ingot]

Tryhard for hours only if you have fun doing it, but it will be nullified the next week.

[fierce light]

Missing like 3 Windfalls on both

[quick magnet]

How about Wuchan? Is it all Miasma or can try something else like Windy Trinity. Also are these stuff going to be on the website?

[limpid pecan]

rn i have 6 windfalls, 4 scorchings, 1 defuse rec, 1 counter rec, rest is max rolls of atk+hp

and i play mostly feria

[fierce light]

Yeah the badge is the same for top 10, so no need to really stress it before the last week really

[limpid pecan]

so multidefuse is doing crazy heals

[fierce light]

With the season being so long though, I wonder if there will be a rank above Paragon.

[limpid pecan]

tho i wonder if putting moderation would be good on feria

the new F farms thunder like crazy

[fierce light]

Yeah hardest hitting ability yet, aside from Yueshan's ultimate

[woven ingot]

The badge only last for one week right? You don't keep your top 10 badge the next week if you don't top 10 again? (I'm ot in game to check it)

[limpid pecan]

u get avatar for top10 forever

for top1-3 u get hero badge forever

top1,2,3 have different special badge

dubhe/merak/phecda

[woven ingot]

But only if you're at that rank at the very last day of the season right? Not for having been top 10 once in a random week?

[limpid pecan]

hmm

not sure about avatar

but the badge u need to be top1-3 at the end

when servers close

[woven ingot]

I guessed so, so tryhard for now isn't brining anything, it's just for fun if you're enjoying it.

[limpid pecan]

ye

[granite marsh]

Oh dayum might actually take yama's seriously if thats the case

[limpid pecan]

its fun tho

[woven ingot]

Meaning on the last days of the season even Telmuch and Tianhai will be played to try to get a top 1-10 rank, goot for those poor guys 😂

[limpid pecan]

i did rank 1 with valda last season

[granite marsh]

Gotta get top 3 one way or another amirite

[limpid pecan]

her defuse is painful af

[woven ingot]

I feel Valda defuse really ... unique let's say.
Same for Matari.

[fierce light]

Windy Trinity is rather bad, one of the few cases where an element jade is a downgrade to the regular attack. It probably does have more accumulation value though, I'll have to see when I get back to my computer since it's acting weird on my phone

[fierce light]

Yeah the title is per week, badge and avatar are permanent, but given at the end of the season

[woven ingot]

I was quite happy with a 1m10 on Tessa, but 40 sec is another world to me.

[limpid pecan]

big prob with valda defuse is - if she misses defuse, it takes forever to dodge after failed defuse

[fierce light]

It does? Usually can dodge cancel them pretty quick

[woven ingot]

Alright so trying hard in the last day of the season will be the thing. Using an underplayed hero

[fierce light]

I'm at 1m3s with my 5 WF Poison build

[limpid pecan]

ngl it was lucky run, i managed to kill first stage before manticore performed any attack animation. then 2nd stage killed it right after lightning attack ended

[limpid pecan]

this is problem with defuse solve kinda

it does dodge

against bough who does the mixups of slow or quick attacks

off same animation

is rly painful

if u time for slow attack u get hit by fast attack

if u time for fast attack, slow attack hits in recovery frames of dodge

[woven ingot]

That's a sweet run for sure. Never saw p1 not attacking at all, more the opposite.
And i need the P2 to use breath just above 50% to stop the breath and go into 50% special animation. Never survived a breath in Yama, and would make a poor time anyway.

[limpid pecan]

normal hero like feria can just tapdodge if defuse fails in most cases

last week i did 23 sec on feria which is basically fastest possible time i believe

idk maybe 22 doable

if u do all frame perfect

[woven ingot]

Bought is a pain with some of his attacks. Some looks the same but end with hitting you with his legs (so you gotta defuse when he's coming down on you) and some hit you with his arm (you need to defuse when he's back on the ground and his arm is moving).
And I don't see a big difference in the animation. It's a bit "try your luck!" for me.

[limpid pecan]

also another downside of valda is

she eats stamina like crazy

defuse eats stamina

[hidden creek]

they already did this on korvine
got worse with bough and manticore

[woven ingot]

Lend me those 5 WF! All the game give me lately is scorch again and again ... being locked at 3 WF and 4 scorches iirc -.-

[limpid pecan]

and u need to dodge after each animation

coz every button is a trap

[buoyant notch]

Idk if you’ve been told this before. But thank you for being you dog. They amount of passion and effort you put into everything showdown related is simply PEAK. I wish you could get payed for the amazing shi you do. if I wasn’t broke I’d Patreon you myself. Uh keep doing you and enjoy the process and the fun do not overwork yourself one love

[woven ingot]

I can read Korvine P2 not too bad now. I'm done hating her with all my heart. Her phase1 still feel terrible for me, but I doubt it will ever change. That 4 hit attacks combo with 15 m lunge per hit will always look terrible in my eyes.

[hidden creek]

p2 is fine

p1 is stupid

[woven ingot]

I can agree on that hehe

[hidden creek]

i hate that fat pig so much

[fierce light]

Yeah I really hate bad telegraphed attacks. It's still an issue with Omnious Beast when it hangs in the air in that if you're doing anything on Trios you have to predict what they're going to do cause you can't react in time. They're designing it with low ping too much in mind.

[hidden creek]

[woven ingot]

P2 is hard, like requires a lot from you. But in fact not unfair at it seemed when I started the game.
P1 Korvine will always be bad for me unless they redesign it. But luckily he's a mid tier boss so usually doesn't too much HP. And like water dragon you can kinda break it for a moment if you deal enough damage, that's a relief.
Water Omnious is clearly one I put at the same level as P1 Korvine. The P2 you can read a bit what he's doing, even if some attacks aren't really clear. But P1? The timings on every attacks are terrible. Too long then too short, and not showing that clearly.

[hidden creek]

when p1 korvine appear and she decide to do the across map charge i want to punch the monitor already

[woven ingot]

And 70% of his attacks are "I'm going undergound" which is ... thanks i'm doing damage. And after he can instant hit when coming out and jump into the air for a focus. And I got no idea how to know. The focus is nice and easy to counter. The instant is .. well terrible, instant.

[fierce light]

Omnious Void does appear like a second before he'll do the uppercut. So it is telegraphed to a degree, but still rough on trios ping.

[woven ingot]

I know the feeling ahah.
Charge the whole screen, then go the 4 hits attacks, if you get hit once the timing make it really hard for me to dodge the other hits, meaning top tier damage incoming.

[fierce light]

Artificial iframes on bosses though are a pain to deal with in general

[woven ingot]

Honestly I never saw a second, it's just he's under the ground for a random time, and just instantly appears already doing the uppercut for me. If I'm not kinda randomly dodging, I get hit.
I must miss some sign one second before he appears I guess.

[fierce light]

That mainly occurs if someone is too far away, but yeah those charged attacks are annoying to deal with. Punishes the people that are actually upclose.

[fierce light]

It'll be water, then the top outline of his body a second before he'll do the uppercut.

[granite marsh]

Enigma Domain P1 Korvine always charges when I reach arena and despawns because she's out of bounds

[hidden creek]

yeah her and the dumb dragon

it was like

[amber terrace]

[hidden creek]

me staying in the middle of the map waving

''HEY I'M RIGHT HERE, ATTACK ME''

but no they just decide to go for a dance on the edge of the map

and jump out of the fight area

p2 rock too

mfs

[granite marsh]

They need to expand the playzone honestly. Even rock last season loved jumping back out of zone

[fierce light]

Yeah it's crazy they made Rock one of his more mobile forms

[woven ingot]

Ok I'll try to recognize that patern next time. As for now it's total random for me and that doesn't feel good at all to play.

Gladly rock isn't in Enigma this time. But Water Dragon can go out of the arena, and Korivine P1/2 too.
And sometime Water Dragon's AI decides to only jumps backward. And you're running after him like a headless chicken, just to see him doing another jump back when you reach him. On rare occasions I had him do that 4-5 times in a row. Quite hard in term of nervous breakdown. Moreover when it's Enigma with a timer.

[hidden creek]

yeah and it's a pain in the ass when you play poison

cuz they keep jumping out of your poison pool

[woven ingot]

I don't even wanna imagine that. Poison vs Water Dragon and Korvine P1/2 must be pure trolling.

[fierce light]

@quick magnet Okay, got to my computer, Windy Trinity does deal a good deal more accumulation, but when accounting for Aegis-Break Skill it ends up taking longer to proc.

Wild Windspout surprisingly does cut the rotation shorter (2 Charged Attacks + Aegis-Break Skills), so it could be an option. I'm just not a fan of that attack cause of how clunky it feels.

Honestly, just need to bring the Toxified stacks required down from 6 to 5 by default and I think Poison Lotus would be competitive with Ice Lotus.

[granite marsh]

I'm enjoying the skill spam with frozen blast + mod

[signal kite]

Pray for my moderation too so that I can also enjoy it

[woven ingot]

I wish you so, at least 3 of them. It's already functional.

[signal kite]

But the fun in spamming isn't quite literal with 75%

[granite marsh]

How long is the cd with 75%? 3 secs?

[signal kite]

5 sec maybe i forgot 💀

3sec while in yueshan transformation

[fierce light]

75% lines you up with the Poison Blast cooldown usually. A little longer than it

[woven ingot]

Yes and no. With 75%, for most heroes, a proc will lower your CD to 3 seconds. And even with Ice you have an internal cooldown of 4 seconds for the next Ice proc. Meaning that you won't overlap. But you'll have to play your skill the moment its ready, which is not always confortable.

[amber terrace]

6

[granite marsh]

Oh then 75% is technically perfect on Poison

[woven ingot]

It's 6 sec iCD for poison, 4 sec for Ice.

[fierce light]

75% of 30s being 22.5s for 7.5s cooldown.
75% of 20s being 15s for 5s cooldown.

[signal kite]

Cooked

[granite marsh]

Numbers

[woven ingot]

I'm sure Viper goes to 3 seconds on her skill CD. Didn't tried the others with 75% MOD.

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Migosha leveled up!

[granite marsh]

Monkey press skill

[woven ingot]

But of course you'll prefer 100% MOD, so you can play the skill when it's conveniant for you. Just saying that you can already start to enjoy your build at 75% MOD, it will work.

[amber terrace]

~6s

[granite marsh]

100% Mod so you can be healer Wuchen in trios

[past pond]

akos hu on showdown when

[stoic rapids]

just 1 new hero inn 1 season showdown ?.?

[fierce light]

Yeah, they're pretty slow at releasing new heroes.

[hidden creek]

actually this isn't so bad even with 0 scorching 🤔
well minus the thunder stagger if you missed the parry, that's the one thing making this build not worth it

[fierce light]

Less accumulation value too, so have to try a bit harder for mobbing.

[hidden creek]

yeah this sucks at mobbing 😂 nowhere close compare to poison lotus

poison lotus u just standing inside the pool and watch everything explode

guess i'm just gonna all in on my poison lotus then

also @fierce light what's your rotation on plotus tessa? on fresh spawn i do F > 2nd charge vertical (poison blast) > aegis break (gonna be too early so it wont active infectous touch) so i do 2x normal vertical after to active infectous touch asap
but i'm wondering if i should just do another 1st charge to active infectous touch and more damages, take abit longer but it's worth it?

[fierce light]

Yeah that's pretty much the rotation although recently started doing:
2nd Charged Vertical → Aegis-Break Skill → Ability
Since the ability allows more leeway to dodge cancel out of, I do it last. That should activate Poison Blast on anything with an Astral Aegis. Then just:
1st Charged Vertical → Aegis-Break Skill [Infectious Touch] → 2nd Charged Vertical

[hidden creek]

oh huh

interesting

this rotation looks like it only works with 100% mod