👾┃showdown

[long loom]

i wondered same. i dont really know for certain, but, i dont think it stacks

best part of showdown is all the possible builds

[rough gate]

bonuses dont seem to stack as much as we want em to

[long loom]

youd think there'd be more of a difference, you didnt really seem to need to run the enigma's element last season. if i had to guess that'll change

[rough gate]

well i ran 2 lightning bases the rest cold, and i took a lot less damage from king lightning

was cool, just looked for rage charge on souljades nomatter what they were and threw a couple in, we had em stunlocked most the time viper i played

wasd doom part 3

im out laters

[long loom]

never really see rage/dmg used. someone with mats should work rage/dmg into their thunder scorching and use a character with a dmg ult, i wonder if having an extra ult in the pocket at all times for another meter of thunder could offset the stat it replaces

it doesn't stacked, capped at 10%. the attack buff icon appears in the bottom left when one lotus pops, then once a second one does, it just refreshes the buff. would be cool if in the future they could stack and they just had a little number in the corner of the attack buff icon for how many damage stacks the buff had accumulated. would be way way, way too OP if it did though, ha.

**stack

it doesn't stacked, there's your answer.

[fathom bobcat]

Thanks

sad, eh

[signal kite]

552 recasts got 2 windfalls and 2 mods

[hidden creek]

that's... good?

🤔

[signal kite]

I'm not feeling that's good

[hidden creek]

1100 frags for 4 rares i'd say that's average

not so bad

[signal kite]

[fierce light]

Ice has a much faster proc rate due to its higher accumulation value and lower cooldown if you opt for Frozen Blast in your 6th slot.

Poison has higher burst potential since it can summon 4 + 2 x (enemies - 1) Lotuses per Poison Blast. The quantity depending on the number of enemies nearby.

It's just a refreshing buff.

[fierce light]

Rage/DMG was good when it used to scale with your Attack & Dmg Bonuses, but not really anymore.

[fierce light]

You'd likely still just run your strongest build. If you spread yourself thin between 3 builds, you won't do that much damage

[vivid merlin]

seriously? 🙄 🙄

[dull obsidian]

how do i get more golden souljades for showdown? im trying to complete the season battlepass quests and someone mentioned that you can finish those easily with showdown

[hidden creek]

wdym

[dull obsidian]

1 second

my guess is they’re talking about the season quests such as “defeat 5 enemies with phoenix blast soul jade”

not sure if that’s actually a souljade in showdown tho

[hidden creek]

you don't need sj for that quest in showdown

viper got phoenix blast built in

[dull obsidian]

oh really

i never play that mode 😭 do all the heroes have that stuff built in

[hidden creek]

yeah

so it's much easier to do those quest in showdown

in pvp finding that jade is already rare not to mention kills multiple ppl with the move lol

[dull obsidian]

alright thank uuuu

[quaint girder]

Oh

did they remove Advanced Crossbow Heal from the drop table?

I was wondering why it was so hard to find a third one

[fierce light]

Yeah think they faded that jade out since no one really used it

[thorn narwhal]

was arcane thunder always drops only from enigma?

[bronze wharf]

well that was new , i know i shouldn't jump that Yushan attack movement but Tessa Ulti should be active .
could be my skill issue or hero problem ?

[hushed rock]

where do i turn showdown volume lower? showdown specifically is always so loud

[thorn narwhal]

JESUS, HELP 1060 FRAGMENTS GONE ON A SINGLE JADE

[subtle bramble]

is he supposed to be immune to certain types of f skills or am i just doing something really wrong same thing happens with valda f skill

[subtle bramble]

relatable 😭

[exotic solstice]

No but yes👍

[thorn narwhal]

[thorn narwhal]

idk about tessa but feria's F used to damage him

[subtle bramble]

yupp i remember playing this with viper ~~cyan fang ~~ poison mod and F would do damage (not sure why i wrote cyan fang wut)

[thorn narwhal]

i think there's a trigger missing?

[subtle bramble]

yupp seems like it

[thorn narwhal]

probably should report it

[subtle bramble]

imma post in feedback

[fickle linden]

is it wise to use 2 of these or nah?

for until i get 2 that im looking for

[round glacier]

2 is pointless

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Tru11 [EU] leveled up!

[fickle linden]

aight thx

thought so

[round glacier]

Just use whatever else you have

Sap orso

Or arcane thunder or something like that

[hidden creek]

you can't equips 2 of the same sj

[formal lark]

Question: Is 100% Moderation recommendet or More for the Ice Build? Or is 125% for example useless?

[fierce light]

You can't reduce the cooldown of something beyond 100%. So no.

[formal lark]

As I thought ok thanks 🙂

[thorn narwhal]

on this rate imma need to finish 6000 games to finish 1 build, unbelievable

[formal lark]

You got a lot of Catch Up Points for this run. They added it that season as compensation.

[thorn narwhal]

catch up points is the most useless thing ever giving 4-6 fragments is never a compensation

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/cojestprawda-gif-2084691180186616053

[limpid pecan]

i missed 4 times windfall

on 2nd rare slot

zzzzz

600 fragments down the drain

and flux shard

[fickle linden]

can you get toxic lotus jade from something specific or is it rng?

[turbid agate]

is it possible to recast a rare attribute?

[surreal saffron]

yes, but its like recasting any other, chances of you getting a rare is low

[twin ledge]

fr the 5th moderation ive got this season

[quick magnet]

BRUH

[vivid merlin]

If you got flux jade (not flux jade shard), you can, rare to another rare.

[wind light]

i have a question

i rolled 2% scorching

i upgraded to 3%

but when i change my 3% scroching to health, it doesnt change to 15% max health option

[thorn narwhal]

its random value

u can get max in 10 or unlucky 90

and u don't need to max ur rare for it to show max normal stat

[wicked wren]

anyone playing showdown hard ?

[warped pumice]

how do i complete this nirriti's ruins challenge? ive seen other people do it, but i dont understand how to do it myself

[thorn narwhal]

u mostly need to solo those

[fierce light]

You need to have Thundershock blessing by having 4 or more Element Rings. Then it'll summon Divine Thunder on yourself as you hit enemies. You can parry that Thunder.

[warped pumice]

thank u!!!

[buoyant lynx]

You need to use attribute pity after 60 rolls to get that. I tried it twice yesterday on two rares. First gave me max 30% on ice, second gave me a 3.6.% atk reroll.

So as someone said before, it probably rerolls in the 3.6%-4% range (if for atk)

[thorn narwhal]

think it goes for a minimum of 85% so 3.4% in that case

[wicked wren]

you wont believe how long it took me to beat hard immovable

also, is the max level just 20, or is there some way to increase it?

[thorn narwhal]

yea immovable and none shall pass are always the pickles

[buoyant lynx]

Ah ok maybe, I can’t say for certain the minimum. If someone got a 3.4% then yea

[thorn narwhal]

what u mean level 20

[thorn narwhal]

yes for heroes is 20

[wicked wren]

😭

also, whats the best mode to get exp for potential?

[thorn narwhal]

every 15 fatigue u get 1500 points so nirriti should be fastest

[wicked wren]

ahhahh, i see

thank u

[thorn narwhal]

np

[tribal venture]

does nightscream or hard nirriti have a big difference in drops?

[thorn narwhal]

just the 1% of getting nightscream jades

amount seem to be the same

[wicked wren]

yoo, where is your pfp from Mave?

[thorn narwhal]

don't know the artist but this is an edited version

[wicked wren]

i see, alright

i thought it was an anime or smt

[rough gate]

like what if u hate playing nirriti

[quaint girder]

It's not faded for me. It still works lmao and people lmao when I'm shooting them

[topaz goblet]

Anyone playing nirriti noghtsxteam?

[wind light]

oh no

i discard my rare

🤡

[buoyant lynx]

And the other thing is, instead of trying to randomly get the max stat without pity, I just use the 60 rolls trying to get a rare on another jade I’ll need, on a random jade for a rare to deconstruct into flux shards, or fixing an attribute on a jade that already has a rare on it. Then when pity hits 0, just use it on the rare you want the max (or close to max) on. Kill two birds with one stone so you’re not wasting a lot of material.

[thorn narwhal]

are all yama's abyss omens the same? are they gonna just repeat it again

[granite marsh]

Anyone tried triple windfall Blessed+Lucky Break

[fathom bobcat]

In Enigma with 3 gold keys in company with a player with luck just below and another with luck around 2k, there were both pretty decent drops and typical garbage from a couple purple ones.
Seemed to average a better drop than with a normal build, but if that makes sense, I don't know. In Douyin guys were getting cosmic drop, but all three had ~12k luck.

[granite marsh]

I might actually consider creating a jade set like that just to have hopes of getting better drops. Thanks for that

[fathom bobcat]

I'm a bit burned out on getting scorching consistently on this build instead of windfall, maybe you'll have better luck.
Well you need psychopath friends like that, willing to spend months putting together possibly useless build I suppose.

[granite marsh]

Getting 3 windfalls in a row is a crazy flux sink for speculative gain lmao. I'm going for 1 windfall at least first then probabbly work on a ice build after

[formal lark]

Luck Jades doesnt work in enigma. It just works for runs where you get direkt drops.

[fathom bobcat]

🤔

[hidden creek]

i used to got 6k luck on my poison build and from my experience, it's absolutely meaningless

[plain spire]

Sea server seems a bit laggy, i have fast internet but im still at 100+ ping happens regularly during 7pm

[spice canyon]

what do you mean on direct drops ?

[granite marsh]

i'm getting 16-20ms consistently, maybe try the gearup thing. I heard some use that

[signal kite]

[fierce light]

Drop rates are identical, you can see it in the drop rewards section

[limpid pecan]

interestingly

enigma peak

seems to be most lucratiive

provided u can clear it consistently

it has 1/3 better drop than normal enigma

so if u use gold key

that would be good drops

[fierce light]

Yeah, so those people who were farming peak were on to something, unless they changed it this season

Infectious Touch is useless without Pestilent Pool since no way to apply Toxified to yourself. Same for Yushan Shadows without Sub-Zero Seal | Depths Blast cause no way to build up Frostbite.

[quaint girder]

https://dark-zer0.github.io/Showdown/

@heavy gulch seriously look at the pins. Zero has already made most of the guides, you just read and follow

[thorn narwhal]

guys, what else is frustrating to each of you this season

[hidden creek]

tbh just the lack of contents

[subtle bramble]

the fact they didn't add recast value pity 🥲

[granite marsh]

The pity doesn't help much, we're still dropping hours for basically nothing

[formal lark]

I mean with direct drops items wich drops in game. Not like in enigma where you get your items in the end.

[woven ingot]

Reroll attribute system that should a bit nicer, or less rng dependant. And ... Chimera. That boss has enough attacks to make at least 3 bosses. And I find them hard to "read" or "feel". With training it will be easier i'm sure, but right now for me Chimera joined Korvine at the "remove that thing from the game!! Thanks!!" top place 😛
The most absurd attack being the rotating laser + breath. I get some people grapple something to avoid it, but each time I try to grapple, i hit fresh air, fall in the whole breath and get one shotted ^^'
And as i'm sure that it will be the speedrun every two weeks and the boss in Enigma Peak that doesn't help to try to love it.

[thorn narwhal]

reroll rng is awful indeed

for the boss i would say those 2 attacks need some tweaking

u need to grapple into a building

but on yama's abyss that won't exist

[granite marsh]

Funny enough I found Manticore a lot easier to fight compared to Korvine or Yushan. Those 2 are borderline unpredictable for me

[woven ingot]

Yeah I gessed so. Plus on Yama/Enigma/Speedrun she will have much HP and you won't be able to burn her from 50-0% with her doing her rotating breath that's why I'm trying to learn how to deal with it.
Korvine and Yushan both are hard to see what they are doing and when to dodge/counter. Yushan being easiest as her attacks are spaced and you can punish between attacks. Korvine ... yeah try to punish an attack of the combo before the last one, you'll just get hit. Chimera is the same, many combo aren't punishable until the last hit, I'm not a big fan of that at all.
Chimera's advantage is that she isn't very aggressive, you have a chance to go back and heal. While Korvine doesn't care much about you having time to heal, she barely let you enough time to land one charged hit before next combo ^^

But yeah Chimera is new and we need to get used to her like we did for the others. I wouldn't be against some tweaking on her breath tho, that thing being really abused, and usually ending in a "one shot", once you get hit you get the full damage plus divine lightning proc you can't dodge as you're staggered.

[granite marsh]

Sums up my experience with bird lady

Though I'm pretty sure the hit reg with the laser tail is broken, I've gotten hit in mid air multiple times which is complete bs

[thorn narwhal]

i spent countless nights in a date with bird lady trying to get incineration so i don't mind her

[woven ingot]

I get your point on that. Just that I had to learn her combo as she's the boss in Enigma this season and I was forced to learn how she works.
For the mid air thing, sometime the laser in before the breath area and in the mid-air. Sometimes it's at ground level and after the breath area. Not sure how it's choosen, i didn't saw a mid air laser since some time, so maybe she only does it in normal/hard. But when you got the id air version, you're pretty sure to be doomed. Need to wait for the laser to pass you to jump, and according to the distance you're from Chimera it can be impossible.

[hidden creek]

eh chimera moves are fine, the annoying sht about that boss is he got so many mix-up

so it's hard to see what he's gonna do next

[cursive kestrel]

korvine is still better than a new boss tho

[hidden creek]

like when he grab the rock on phase 1 or stand on his tail on phase 2

[woven ingot]

Not saying I wouldn't like a rework of Korvine, she's hard to read and too aggressive for my taste, but yeah you can deal with her by trying her again and again (her first phase tends to be the worst for me in fact, Dundun's behavior making no sense to me, and its quadruple chained attacks that you nearly never can do a thing when you get hit once ... infuriating).
Chimera is kinda chaotic, it's like Dundun to me. Never know what she's doing, and what's coming the next second.

Yeah the 6 variatons of the rock ... "I'm going to do something, guess!!"

[hidden creek]

you actually need to look at certain spots on his body

like back legs

or the tail

and the head

to see if he gonna do what

[granite marsh]

They don't want us bullying the new bosses like hellscorch

Guy has like 5 moves

[hidden creek]

the startup animations are the same but depends on which parts is glowing/moving next, it gonna be different attacks

which need different moves to neutralize

[cursive kestrel]

i always have a problem sticking under the new boss and barely get out unless it hits me

[woven ingot]

I guess there are some clues, but they aren't very notables as i didn't saw anything yet. Plus it's 5-6 differents attacks, not like I can look closely to 5 differents possible clues in the middle of the fight 😛
The real fail for me being when she threw her lightning toward poison spheres on the ground. It was clearly design so that she was to jump back and then lightning so you're supposed to counter it. For me she will often jump forward instead and be at 2 meters from the sphere, good luck for the counter!
Or she's already at 5 m, so cool she will jump back. Nope, she jumps over the sphere and gets literally on it. Counter me if you can.

[fierce light]

Korvine is one of the easier bosses to read imo. For Hun Dun, just pay attention to if Korvine jumps off of him or not. If she jumps off, he's going to do the roll, if not, it's going to be the focus attack. As far as just Korvine, you look at the stance she has when she's in the air and you can read what she's going to do from there. Her attack chains are pretty consistent.

Chimera has a lot of awkward delays in its attacks followed by really fast ones that can be hard to read. Then there's the orb attack with like 5 different mix ups. Then there's the lightning ball that's really difficult to parry unless you happened to be lined up already.

[thorn narwhal]

yeah the delays and instanly unreadable follow ups are so bad

like he attacks u defuse, and defuse again but there's an end animation hit too that ruins it all

[formal lark]

https://youtu.be/HiFRw0Opaec

all you need to know

in that video

[woven ingot]

Didn't knew that about Korvine being on or off to tell if it's the focus or rolling attack. Nice.
That attack didn't bothered me too much, it's the 4 attack combo that I find horrible. If you get hit once, they timed every attack so you'll be on the ground and can't do nothing as you don't have control over your caracter that fast. So you just get hit again and again. A bit like getting a pvp combo on you.
Chimera likes to hide her paws and delay the hit, but so far it seems to me it's not a variable delay, so I learnt the timing and it seems to do the job. But some moves like the quadruple chain combo from phase 1 are so fast for the 3 firsts hits that I'm never sure to evade the thing. And then as you said you get a like 1.5-2 sec break and comes the 4th attack from the sky.

[granite marsh]

Yeah this is a great vid, learned most of the moves from this

[woven ingot]

Thanks for the vid, i'll watch that after eating.

[formal lark]

what language is it btw?^^

[granite marsh]

It sounds like vietnamese to me

[woven ingot]

Not sure, from the letters I though Vietnamese or something like that?

[formal lark]

I´ve been to Vietnam think so too

[fierce light]

Oh for that, you'll just have to time your recovery roll for when the next hit comes through

[woven ingot]

Great video, even if I don't understand him. Slow motion does the job well. Some moves are quite hard to do for mediocre players like me, that's gonna need "some" training.
So that's his method for the breath: you're a chain-able defuse hero, you just chain defuse the thing and laugh. You're not, you jump, grapple the boss and then try to grapple behind the breath and cancel the grapple staying in the air the more you can. That's going to be not that easy to do reliably, at least for me.

[thorn narwhal]

i don't think they would touch the new boss unless for few tweaks or optimization so have to adapt

[woven ingot]

I try every time to spam dodge if i get hit, to avoid the rest of the combo. But so far the timing makes it that I don't have control of my character when the next hit comes and it goes like that until the 4th hit is done.
Maybe because I spam the dodge, next time I'll try to only press dodge when the hit is "on me".

[fierce light]

Yeah you don't want to spam it, like wait a second then get up

[thorn narwhal]

back to this is there anything else worth mentioning

im thinking of making a full post filled with players thoughts and frustrations what u think

[woven ingot]

Sounds good to me. We can't complain they don't make things better if we never tell them what we feel is wrong.

[hidden creek]

there's already multiple

i think Zero make at least one feedback post each season

tbf the issue is we don't really know how much they're willing to give

since showdown is considered a ''side'' mode

cuz when you talk about naraka it's still ''the melee br game''

i'm sure they can make showdown better if they want to, i mean it's a freaking pve and we got like a thousands of them out there

but let's be honest their resouces are mostly focused on the pvp side

[woven ingot]

All good if Zero already does it.
And yes, I'm sure PvE isn't their main concern, PvP is. So unless i'ts totally broken they won't pay much attention

[hidden creek]

my point when i said this is there's already alot of player's feedback on showdown but most of the time they just don't care
ofc not saying it to discourage anyone from making a feedback, i just stating the fact

[woven ingot]

But as we enjoy it, it's always worth trying to get our voices heard. Even if our voices aren't making much noise on a PvP game ^^
I get your point no worries.

[hidden creek]

if they want to make it good they can just hire a pve mmorpg veteran player

i want my open world boss

[woven ingot]

Now, that would be fun!

[hidden creek]

and dungeons

and raids

[woven ingot]

You mean ... a mmorpg? 😛
But yeah some more things in PvE would be great. The game has the potential for that.

[hidden creek]

bro they literally could build a whole mmorpg with what they currently have

[fierce light]

The more feedback the better though

[hidden creek]

yes, stuffs it down their throat

[woven ingot]

Absolutely. The movements, skills, combat is already created, and is of a rare quality overall. So it's "only" implementing more PvE things/modes.

[hidden creek]

which is exactly why i said i just want more contents

all the rng and rare things are frustrated yeah it would be nice if they tone it down

but ultimately, just give us more stuffs to do so we don't get bored to death

[woven ingot]

And remove fatigue system for at least some of them. I'm again fatigue capped since yesterday and it feels sad to get no rewards from anything 😛

[hidden creek]

running just nirriti and enigma for 6 fkin months

again and again and again

and ADD AN INGAME TRADE SYSTEM

[fierce light]

I wouldn't mind the fatigue system if it stayed at 150% rewards or even 100% for most of it.

[woven ingot]

I agree on that. More content could also make us feel better on the harsh RNG system.
I often don't mind fatigue if i'm not playing "too much" and don't use it. When I do get to 0 fatigue, I'm not liking it much. Farming Nirriti/Enigma is a bit boring already as tabbie said, but farming them without any reward is another level ^^

[fierce light]

Cause 2400 fatigue is 54 Nirriti's Ruins runs. Which can be as quick as 3m30s to as long as 7m+ depending on how good your team is and their luck in rings. So that's about 4 & 1/2 Hours of playtime per week. Also not including the time between rooms and loading screens. In total, it ends up being around 6 Hours minimum, but honestly feels much longer than that.

If you're running anything other than Nirriti's Ruins, you can definitely expect to spend more time than that.

[woven ingot]

Yeah, farming normal Nirriti is 10ish minutes for me I think, all loading included.

[fierce light]

Would be fun if they added like an endless mode or something, that gives the option to leave every 5 stages after 15. With every 5th stage consuming an extra 15 fatigue.

[woven ingot]

A very common game mode that is usually enjoyed.

[hidden creek]

the difference between naraka pve team mode and other game pve team mode is there's no team mechanic

like, in trios you just play the same as you play alone

[woven ingot]

Yeah, and in most cases it's way easier in solo because they tuned the multiplier harshly.

It's already not easy to find people in EU, but no wonder when solo is way easier than multi, why bother?

[hidden creek]

like in other pve games i played, when i was in a team i got a specific position/role and have to do specific thing to solve the mech when it comes

so my team won't get wiped

but that doesn't exist in naraka

ig it's also the reason why matchmaking is dead

[woven ingot]

In team each one does his thing like in solo. Other players are ... like being here nothing more.
For teamplay the only case I can feel it is for double bosses as the team will try to get bosses away from each other. And that's a very limitated use of "teamplay".

[hidden creek]

exactly

[thorn narwhal]

what u say if week resets twice a week

[woven ingot]

I read something from Zero earlier about chain counter that could be easier to pull with two people instead of one. But I can only think about second form fire boss being so fast that alone I have low chances to counter the second blue focus attack.

[thorn narwhal]

not new content but something to do?

[woven ingot]

That would be a little bonus i'd think.

[hidden creek]

eh that's just another form of something with the fatigue system

[woven ingot]

You'd have twice the Doom/speedrun per week. Nothing crazy, but still a little occupation.

[hearty rivet]

Can someone share some guide please about how to double scorch with thunderpull?

[hidden creek]

i mean i want full raid experience like dragon nest or wow or lost ark

[formal lark]

I can show you how to learn it if you want

[thorn narwhal]

it doesn't seem they want to improve pve over pvp

[hidden creek]

ehhh what? you just parry > dodge > hit > parry

[thorn narwhal]

its like they just make pve with what they just have in pvp

no plans to rework for an actual decent pve game

[hidden creek]

yeah but even just with those resources they can do so much more

[formal lark]

If you never did it, it can be hard

[hidden creek]

they just don't want to

[hearty rivet]

I can't be online right now but that would be nice sometime later, thank you

[hearty rivet]

yes thank you in theory I know in practice I don't why I asked for help

[hidden creek]

huh

i remember seeing you in here for like, a really long time

i thought you was a vet

[hearty rivet]

yes I've been using thunderscorch build without learning how to double scorch (or without knowing it was possible until a couple of weeks ago)

[hidden creek]

oh... alright

[fierce light]

This guy made an Ice-Thunder Lotus Scorching Mod build.

https://youtu.be/pSSW9frKinw?si=jC3R-IHdf0PHWEEL

[topaz goblet]

30 mins for a game is diabolical

[spice canyon]

that's what I'm using if since I have spare jade from thunder scorch

[fierce light]

Now that I've seen it at a high level, I'd say it's pretty viable

I'll add it to the builds

[spice canyon]

usable for anyone that has thunder scorch or ice mod, so you guys only need ghastbloom and elemental lotus to upgrade

[hidden creek]

but tbh aside from yueshan, other heroes better just run ice/poison mod

[spice canyon]

moderation is optional on that build and most character can use it

[hidden creek]

wdym mod is optional? it's a god damn must

w/o mod this build will definitely does lower dps compare to just ice/poison mod

[hoary flame]

Why this site just build 4x mod 8xwindfall ,4x health,3x attack,1x recovery in thunderscorch build . what about last 4 att (24att totals)

[thorn narwhal]

does scorching actually makes a difference

[granite marsh]

Ice blast triggers soaked in the build so its good burst dps I reckon, plus the user went into the hydroflare dmg potential too

[hidden creek]

more like you don't have any choices but to go water and fire raged

[fierce light]

Yeah Yueshan does have a really strong ability in his ultimate to pretty much guarantee a proc, just from Frost Bound

[hidden creek]

not only that but he's guarantee to get the parries off cuz he don't get stagger during ult

[fierce light]

You need at least 1 Counter triggers Recovery or you'll have to stop to heal yourself every so often. Best to have it on the piece with 1 [Windfall], instead of 2.

[hidden creek]

on other characters, not so much

since you don't run thunderproof on this build

[fierce light]

The lack of Tundra Might does hurt it since you'll have less accumulation value than a Poison build.

[hidden creek]

yeah, really not looking so great on anyone but yueshan

[fierce light]

I'll add a section stating that

Really easy to add stuff now in this new format

[hidden creek]

and even if it got better damages on theory, ice/poison mod is just so much easier to play

with an easier rotation it'll be easier to make the most out of it

so

i'd say this build isn't worth it on anyone else but yueshan

[thorn narwhal]

do u have the numbers yet zero?

[fierce light]

For?

[thorn narwhal]

all the dmg output

ice/poison mod and nerfed scorch

[fierce light]

Oh, it hits slightly harder then 3 Blossom Blasts at 300% Ice Blast DMG when you add Water and Fire Raged. Wait a minute, might have done that wrong

[thorn narwhal]

maybe 4x windfall can outdamage it

[fierce light]

It hits as hard as 3 Blossom Blasts at 335% Ice Blast DMG, when you add Water and Fire Raged.

4x Windfall is about equivalent to 60% Ice Blast DMG, making the max Ice Blast DMG you can have with Mod being 385%.

[thorn narwhal]

the consistency of blossom blasts might make it more viable

[fierce light]

Yeah

It's a pretty flexible builds, that's for sure. On Yueshan though.

[thorn narwhal]

can't wait for them to buff valda's F and make her the meta

[fierce light]

Yeah it's definitely pretty useless at the moment since it's slower than just using Draco Stride

[thorn narwhal]

btw is tundr's frostbite buff includes all ice attacks [ice blast]

[warped falcon]

Hi guys so I took break from naraka for 2 months and im back now

I want to know if thunder scorching is still the meta for bossing

Or is there a new build that does more dmg

[fickle linden]

whats best hero to farm nirriti's ruins in your guys opinion?

[plain spire]

tarka

[fierce light]

Frostbite is the accumulation value name for Ice, but yeah.

[fierce light]

Viper, Tarka or Wuchen

[timid stirrup]

I would add Tessa to the list

[fierce light]

Tessa is good in Trios for the bosses, but lacks the AoE

[thorn narwhal]

not on yourself right

[fierce light]

No, on enemies.

Only Frozen Blast "increases" your Frostbite to yourself, similar to Thunderproof.

[naive vector]

I need someone high sense to help me speed weapon leveluppu

[hard vector]

What is the best build for yoto ?
Ice Lotus or poison Lotus ?

[fierce light]

Either is fine, as it'll take 2 Aerial Rends to proc Elemental Bursts on bosses and 1 on mobs.
Just keep in mind with Poison, you'll have to fit in an Aegis-Break skill after a Poison Blast and for Ice you'll have to manage your ability or Ultimate to not freeze.

[fickle linden]

alright. i've been using viper 🙂

thanks

[fierce light]

My fastest runs have been with Viper.

[signal kite]

With tarka my fastest is 3:47 trio hard nirriti

Tarka is very good after update

And thunder shock blessing with 800% speed up Lotus impact is cherry on top

[timid stirrup]

is Hydroflare Blessing the best option? what r other good options for solos?

[plain spire]

Check the pinned messages different build guides in there

[timid stirrup]

There's a nirritis anima pin?

[plain spire]

If in nitiri imo best build elemental (4/4 +) + lotus build or full elemental + counter build the supreme build is (4/4+) + elemental + counter gust + momentum anima.

[timid stirrup]

i normally do hydroflare + awakening or hydroflare + yin-yang

[plain spire]

Full yin yang is my to go in clearing solo legend specially with level 3 haze blue and haze epic.

[fathom bobcat]

hydroflare + poison + awakening as for me

[fathom bobcat]

It's also a question of how much time was spent in total. In my experience, even if you skip buying jades and speedrun levels, time shown here (battles) can be multiplied by 2.

[fathom bobcat]

I keep jade with such small level as reminder of times when there were no seasons in PvE.

[signal kite]

Whoaa

[granite marsh]

||Back in my days||

[signal kite]

||Whoaa||

[fierce light]

Fastest on Trios I used Yueshan, we had a Tarka and I can't remember what our 3rd was.

[fierce light]

Hydroflare has the best start, cause if you get the blessing, you can start one tapping the mobs. Element requires you to get a high level Elemental Confluence to do so, while Thunderbolt is weak against bosses and Yin Yang requires 2 attacks.

[fierce light]

I use my refreshes at the start and if I don't see any rings that I want, I grab the highest rarity one so I can use it on the discard codex.

[naive vector]

@granite marsh I need your help with a boss

[granite marsh]

sure

Where you at?

[solid rock]

I don't mind "target not reached" when these are the drops Elixir & 100% rewards

[signal kite]

That's super fast

[solid rock]

Obviously having a good day, about 20 rolls

[signal kite]

Congrats

Not me doing 200+ casts just to get scorching and reroll again

[solid rock]

Thanks, makes up for the 300 rolls i had without gettiing a rare on another jade haha 😅

[signal kite]

[signal kite]

That's the one jade that i haven't got a single with good value , lucky sacred

[solid rock]

Feel like its a pretty rare drop, only gotten about 5 ghastblooms excluding jade choices

[fierce light]

It can only drop on Nightscream or Legend Nirriti's Ruins and Nightscream Manticore Hunt

[signal kite]

Ohh i see

[naive vector]

I am in NA server, can you come here?

[granite marsh]

Nope, ping too high

[solid rock]

Aha, it all makes sense now.. been spamming enigma gold elixir

[fierce light]

Enigma Domain can drop all of the ones that summon Lotus Flowers iirc

[naive vector]

lets go EU then

[granite marsh]

i'm on sea

[signal kite]

Does gold key only drop from nightscream or legend nirriti!

Coz i didn't get a single gold key from hard nirriti this week

[naive vector]

I am here, you got my ID still?

[fierce light]

Think I've gotten a couple. Seems to be much higher chance on the higher difficulties though.

[fierce light]

What're you running?

[naive vector]

ID: 1375800140176

[signal kite]

[solid rock]

Tried this just now, very fun and efficient build

[timid stirrup]

how do these get counted?

[hidden creek]

everytime you got a match with catch-up points it goes up by 1?

[solid rock]

Yeah, 600 matches for Flux jade in the shop

[hidden creek]

uhh i'm not asking

[solid rock]

Was just agreeing with you, affirming the statement and elaborated on the subject

[granite marsh]

600 unlucky matches

[signal kite]

💀

[solid rock]

Amazing concept 🙂

[granite marsh]

Luckiest man in the world never gonna get flux jade ever lmao

[fierce light]

It's a one time grab anyway, so you have multiple seasons to get it

[timid stirrup]

it didnt seem to work that way for me

but ill take ur guys word for it

[fierce light]

I got the elixir from the store from reaching 50 matches and there's no cooldown period

[naive vector]

where can I find desperation shield?

[sour wedge]

oh so it's like those treasures we could buy with tae

when they redid the glyphs

[woven ingot]

Yep, some time you'll get a few points (and +1 on that counter) it with having only 1 purple drop, sometime it only triggers when you got no purple nor gold jade. For what I saw so far it may be dependant on the game mode;

[hidden creek]

i mean doesn't matter how it works, it's still luck based

so you just... can't do anything about it

the compensation is sht that we all agree

[hidden creek]

this is also sht

[woven ingot]

It's luck/anti-luck based yes. You need to be unlucky to get that achievement goes up. Which is great for me in fact I guess ahah.
And I would agree the compensation is a little low for my taste, but well at least it's something.

[hidden creek]

i mean they can just reduce the min max variation

but no

they have to do some other dumb sht

which sounds promising on paper

[fierce light]

With how much variance there is in the drops still (really don't know why they didn't just fix that 😕) I reckon it'll be possible to max this before the season's over.

[woven ingot]

You got 1 Flux as a one time reward at the very end. Which cost a heavy 10K silk. As a one time reward for being unlcky ... why isn't it free? ^^'

[hidden creek]

but when we actually got our hands on it we realize how bad it is immediately

[woven ingot]

I'm at 67 points, congratz for being as unlucky as me!! ahah

[hidden creek]

i'd take a better min max variation and a better recasting chance over that ONE SINGLE flux anyday

[fierce light]

It just makes it so an all blue drop run nets you at least one non-rare.

[hidden creek]

that one single flux won't do sht

i'm telling you rn

[woven ingot]

I totally agree.

[woven ingot]

Having a full rare result gives you enough points for one "chest"? I felt like it was less than that. Maybe it depends on the game mode you play.

[fierce light]

I've gotten like 330 points from one all-blue drops. I think 300 equates to 1 Souljade.

[woven ingot]

I often get way less than 300, more in the 100-200. But i know that getting 1 purple only can net you some points, around 100 in Enigma. As 1 lone purple is considered as a poor drop. I'll pay more attention when i'll have fatigue again.

[fierce light]

Enigma's Catch Up was bugged so I've been avoiding it.

Might run some more though now that my potential is maxed to boost the Sense Level of my builds.

[hidden creek]

anyone thinking we need a ''short by recently accquired''?

i spent too much time finding the jade i just got from the run to see if it's good to keep or throw into the blender

[woven ingot]

Oh I didn't saw anything especially wrong in Enigma catch up. But mainly played Niritti for fast and easy, so I may not have noticed the bug. I did receive catch up points in Enigma that I'm sure.

[woven ingot]

You can "cheat" a little by sorting with locked/unlocked if you use to lock everything you want to keep.

[hearty rivet]

That would be so nice for hoarders like me 😭

[gaunt otter]

What’s goodie my gang

[hidden creek]

yeah but i don't lock all of my sj, i only lock the real good jades with 2 max or close to max value

and i don't use short by locked so i can compare a new jade i just got with the same jade i already have

[woven ingot]

I get your point then. By the sort method you need may be complicated. "Sort by new" wouldn't show you your old version next to it to compare.

[hidden creek]

o sht u're right

hmm

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-thinking-idk-think-wait-gif-7959205027699559349

maybe a new option on this wheel that shows all the same sj we're possessing?

[woven ingot]

Something like that would work. But you can kinda do that by searching the jade's name on the top if you want to check one specific jade and its dupes, without scrolling the whole list to find it (with the default sorting)

[hidden creek]

that's the thing, click the search button and typing down the jade name everytime took too much works

[woven ingot]

That is if you're looking for a specific jade tho. Not as a general way of dealing with it.

I agree, it's tedious to say the least.

[hidden creek]

yeah like a ''compare'' option and when u click it it take u to the compare UI

and after u're done comparing u click back and it's back to the ''sort by new'' UI

[hearty rivet]

From the 1st two weeks (or one and a half since I haven't had much time to play this week so only halfway through my fatigue) these are the numbers I've got:

There is one anomaly, either it was a bug or I miswrote something or Matari got extra pity bc no love from devs dunno...

All numbers are from Nirriti without potions

[woven ingot]

My way of dealing with it is using the normal sorting. And scrolling until there is a red dot catching my eye. Looking which one i want to keep, and lock it. Rince and repeat until the whole list is done.
It's not too long to do that way.
And once done, destroy all unlocked purples and golds. But that part won't work for you as you don't lock all the Jades you want to keep.

[hidden creek]

i think you gotta count the shrouded jades

and keys

and crystals too

no?

[hearty rivet]

I count those too but don't think there is any

I mean correlation, will check it tho!

[woven ingot]

I'd think some of those count as a "good" reward yes.

[hidden creek]

yes but the stupid thing about it is if you scroll pass a red dot with your mouse over it, the red dot will disappear

and sometime u do it too fast u won't remember which jade got the red dot

[woven ingot]

Absolutely. My "luck" is that my mouse wheel is broken, so I have to use the scroll bar on the side. So that can't happen.
But you're right on that, you can miss something new in that case.

[hearty rivet]

Hmmm, 0 gold, 3 purple 6 crystal and 1 simple key gave 330 on 150 and 0 gold 3 purple 8 crystal, gold key + key gave also 330 on 150%

[hidden creek]

and also this, when you go to the batch desconstruct UI then you somehow press esc all the red dots will disappear

[woven ingot]

With 3 purples you still had 330 points?

[hearty rivet]

on 150% in nirriti

[hidden creek]

with the ''sort by new'' even if the red dots disappear we still know which one we recently got

[hearty rivet]

4 purple from goldkey enigma earned me this week 0 points 😅

(also 150%)

[hidden creek]

yeah catch up points is bugged on enigma

[woven ingot]

Yes, that would be totally safe. My solution is simply a .. placeholder? while waiting for something better.

[hidden creek]

doesn't matter what drops u get the catch up points will always be 0

[hidden creek]

yeah i'm considering doing what u suggested

[hearty rivet]

yeah it makes me sad and avoid enigma for the time being :(

[woven ingot]

I'd say: the catchup being quite low, play what you like to, without paying too much attention to that.

Moreover when we only have two game modes, refusing to do one is .. quite harsh for your well being 😛

[fierce light]

Enigma has a habit of rolling really bad, so it hurts especially so when it was bugged.

[hidden creek]

''we only have two game modes''

fuuuuck that's hurt to hear

🥹

more contents pls

[woven ingot]

I should say two farmable game modes to be honest.

Ther are 6 game modes in PvP that no one use, they should repackage them in PvE. We would be super happy, and those game mode would be used at least.

[hidden creek]

actually the correct wish to make is ''pay more attention to showdown pls''

cuz they kinda don't care ngl

[hearty rivet]

Yeah the bar is pretty low not to get catchup points. It's sad bc it looks like that for a couple of weeks potion enhanced drops are lower too - at least for me but for obvious reasons low number of samples so might be just bad luck.
But it's only 2nd week of the new system so too early to draw big conclusions despite I'm itching to. At least next weeks will have more time to exhaust my ingame and IRL fatigue too with this game :p

[woven ingot]

Some people told me "go enigma for the loots/shard, Nirriti is only for potential and mastery", but for me Nirriti was usually as good if no better than Enigma with purple/gold Jades (taking the 45 vs 30 fatigue cost).

[woven ingot]

I love the "time to exhaust my ingame and IRL fatigue" way of saying it ^^

[hidden creek]

yeah nirriti drops was way more stable compare to enigma

i rmb i got like 3 purples rest blue with a 9k enigma run with elixir too

first fatigue spent too

[woven ingot]

And as I never saw any difference in loot between normal and NS Nirriti, I can run normal Nirriti while shutting down the brain or watching a movie. Enigma I need to have the sound and be a bit concentrated on what I'm doing, or some bossses make things with me ... that I don't want them to do ^^'

[hidden creek]

would be more interesting if there's still yama trios
they could do something like on a stage first each 3 have to kill a boss on their own then got transfered to the main room to fight the last boss

and add some team mechs

[woven ingot]

Which is weird, Enigma being way harder and asking you to have made a build (plus cost a key) you should be rewarded for that. Moreover when they added recently that "Nirriti is for Carved Crystal and Enigma for Souljade Fragments.
It could be on my side, but to me it doesn't feel like that at all.

[hidden creek]

dw not just you

enigma w/o gold key is just utterly sht

and even with gold key most of the time you still got sht drops

[woven ingot]

I tried a few gold keys and didn't felt much more rewarded. But it was in solo, and 2-3 runs, so could totally bad RNG on that.

[hidden creek]

now that they tried to remove the carrying stuffs i don't know why they couldn't just fix the min max variation

[fierce light]

Yeah, Nirriti's has a better drop rate than Enigma, just smaller quantity of Souljades. It also drops a lot more crystals than Enigma does.

[woven ingot]

That would be sweet. Instead of the catchup, would have been easier to go for 80-90% chance to get at least a gold, 95% chance for at least a purple. We all got a little something every run.

[fierce light]

This is what I have so far for Nirriti vs Enigma Domain:

[hidden creek]

or allow us to convert crystals to fragments and vice versa

[woven ingot]

Something i'd like is to be able to trade let's say 2 crystals for 1 jade fragment.

Yep exactly that! ^^

I'm a young player, but got currently 0 jade framgment for over 1K Carved. And I'd think it's pretty much what every one experience, it can't be a me thing.

[hidden creek]

yeah not just a you thing

[fierce light]

They made the drop rate for Crystals actually decent, but Souljades are still pretty garbage

Ofc when they make recasting cost more Souljades as well

[woven ingot]

So from your tests Zero, Enigma with gold key really makes a difference (which is good at least).
But Enigma normal is better than Nirriti in term of Soul Jade per fatigue point. So it wouldn't be as bad as it feels in fact.

[fierce light]

That's just using the numbers they gave us in-game. I'm not sure how the luck applies from Legendary Rune Keys and it assumes that those values are truthful.

[woven ingot]

Ah ok, it's not tests, it's from the tooltips in game. Yeah I learnt to take those with a grain of salt ^^

[signal kite]

Literally same to same as me 😭

[woven ingot]

Having a way trade Crystals for fragments would solve the problem. Or they can make Jade drops better. But that's way more work in tweaking.

[hidden creek]

i just don't get it

it's so easy to do

compare to the dumb catch-up points system

why can't they just

[hearty rivet]

btw has anyone got more than one gold souljade from catchup rewards? For me it's always 1 gold + x purples

[fierce light]

I'm assuming it follows the same % as Souljade Conversion where it's 10% chance to gold, 90% for purple

[hearty rivet]

-.-;;;;

[naive vector]

I want to know the difference:

Sub Zero:
increases hit damage 20%
Desperation:
Increases more damage dealt by 20%
Thunder pull:
Attack +20%
why wont naraka just use the same language, its confusing

Are all of them for both primary (melee) and secondary (guns) ?

@fierce light

[fierce light]

Attack ≈ Hit Damage ≠ Damage Bonus

They likely changed Sub-Zero Seal to Hit Damage so it wouldn't work on a Defuse Burn build.
Unless Melee or Ranged is mentioned specifically, it works for both weapons.

[ebon parrot]

where can i check where jades are dropped? is there like a specific place for it or would i have to scroll through every level?

[fierce light]

Narakapedia shows you where jades drop that you haven't gotten before, otherwise, yeah you have to scroll through each one.

[ebon parrot]

arghhh

oki

thanks

[naive vector]

@trim token we need a 3rd

[hearty rivet]

🫠 woo, finally a super nice toxic lotus, now just to fix my toxic ghastbloom

[hidden creek]

damn that's a nice base jade

[hearty rivet]

yeah probs spent up my monthly luck allowance with it

[woven ingot]

Congratz for the lucky drop, that's always a pleasant moment ^^

[timid igloo]

i got all the lotus rings EXCEPT the one i needed for collection

I'm missing a blue at that

[woven ingot]

Probably the poison one. If so you need to choose poison as your element.

[fierce light]

Gotta get Toxic Blessing I for it to appear.

[timid igloo]

ahhh I see

thanks a bunch

[woven ingot]

I had the same problem as I always choose Ice. And tried again and again to have the last one.

[thorn narwhal]

i'm so burnt out, 3-4 days for just 25 fragments and not a freaking single jade i want its miserable

[timid igloo]

lmao even the boss is taunting me

[granite marsh]

What is Lotus Impact anyway? Don't think i've ever seen it happen visually

[timid igloo]

the lotus thats around u hitting an enemy

[clever glade]

I wonder if elixir’s increase the luck of the souljade dropped🤔 like better attributes..

[fierce light]

I hate that they made Ghastbloom the Tier 2 Blessing. So hard to get that with anything else meaningful.

If you want to increase your Lotus DMG the most in Nirriti's Ruins, I'd say get Lotus Blessing I then go for the following Rings:

[hearty rivet]

Hah! Just wanted to ask if these increase lotus damage once it goes elemental.

[fierce light]

Yeah I had 2.8k Lotus ticks at one point

[woven ingot]

Get the "increase Lotus rotation speed after a sucessful defuse" and watch bosses insta die after being defused ^^

[thorn narwhal]

i always avoid without aegis dmg rings, by half the run mobs get 1 hit already

[fierce light]

Most mobs by default don't have Aegis, so it's constantly active for them

[thorn narwhal]

i mean u mostly need dmg bonus for ones with aegis they are the ones that delay runs

[fierce light]

Yeah I usually avoid running element/lotus builds when solo, but it's helpful in trios

[thorn narwhal]

i'm tired trying to find jades so can i work with what i have at mean time
i have semi good Yushan shadows, Depth blast, Spring's call
can i replace subzero, tundra and frozen blast with them
i never ran ice so explain in details how gameplay will differ and dmg too

[fickle linden]

where can i see the showdown pass daily quests?

[woven ingot]

Can you? Yes the time to drop the right ones. But don't reroll them, it would a waste I think. Unless there was a change in what the best in slot ice Jades are.
Good point: you can already have a feeling about how to play Ice, and you won't have to bother with being frost for now as you don't have Sub-Zero/tundra.

[woven ingot]

From the Showdown screen: on the right choose "Might shodow pass", then the second tab "Quests". The first screen you arrive on shows your Doom completion of the week and under that you have the weekly quests.

Every week there is one quest asking you to play X number of Nirriti or get X number of an Anima family in one run. That's the quest you want to track for the seasonal challenge you linked.
The quest always have the word Nirriti n the desciption, it's easy to spot.

[fickle linden]

oh it's so it's weekly, not daily

[hidden creek]

bruh that translation error is still there

[woven ingot]

ah yes sorry I didn't precised: the text is wrong (I guess it was true at a time, or wrong translation) yes it's a weekly quest.

So that challenge will take you some time, just like do X speedruns.

[fickle linden]

damn that was confusing the hell out of me couldn't find any daily quests lol

thanks for the help ill do last one after weekly reset 👍

[woven ingot]

Sadfully PvE only has weekly quests, not Dailies. I'd love dailies! ^^

I agree with the confusing, took me some time to get they made an error in the text, after looking for ages for daily PvE quests ^^

You can only be at 2/3 right now, that's normal. And to get the whole challenge done it's ... something like 12 weeks maybe?

[naive vector]

Guys, I need 1 last jade. I need ''backfire'' jade. What is the best mission to farm it?

[hidden creek]

[woven ingot]

Easy one: very first campaign mission in normal ^^

[woven ingot]

Now you can run whichever mission you want for 5 fatigue 😛

[naive vector]

but that isn't a guaranteed drop right

[woven ingot]

No that's a random chance drop amongst a lot of other ones.

[fierce light]

Sub-Zero Seal + Tundra Might gives a nice boost in damage and increases your Accumulation Value by quite a lot when combined with Frost Douse.

Frozen Blast reduces the cooldown of Ice Blast from 6s to 4s, which makes it the fastest Elemental Burst in the game.

Spring's Call and Yushan Shadows contradict each other as one wants you to reach max Frostbite while the other wants you to remove your Frostbite before max.

[woven ingot]

My bad in fact it's a common drop from any campaign mission, not especially the first. But doesn't change that yes it's a random drop.

[fierce light]

It's in the common drop pool. So it can drop from anywhere.

[fierce light]

One extra mission reward, nice

[thorn narwhal]

i remember someone saying yushan shadows can trigger spring's call effect

maybe as long as i only have 1 stack of frostbite

[fierce light]

Not that ik of

[thorn narwhal]

man that sucks, it doesn't..

[naive vector]

@fierce light does backfire souljade kill you if you have 1 hp left?

or will it not go beyond 1 hp

[fierce light]

It's non-lethal, so no. But corruption/burn will one shot you.

[naive vector]

So It will consume my hp until I hit 1 hp left

[fierce light]

Yes

Don't miss having to use that

[chrome seal]

How did you check that? I wanna do it for achievement too and need 80 golden SJs, yet I have only around 65 right now and have no idea which ones am missing

[thorn narwhal]

that achievement is said to increase from the gold jades that drop for u on the ground, rendring it unfinishable for me

[woven ingot]

I wouldn't think it's "from the ground", but you get one point every time you get a new gold Jade you never had before (very poor wording of the achievement);

[chrome seal]

Yeah it's really weird cause I been playing showdown for at least half a year by now and still didn't get that

[woven ingot]

Meaning that you'll have to wait many new season so they add new jades.

[chrome seal]

I get it
But how do I know which ones am I missing is the question

[woven ingot]

I don't think you can know it. But basically what you're missing are old jades from season 1, 1.5 etc. that have been removed from the game. So nothing we can do but wait for new ones.

[chrome seal]

Got it
That's unlucky then haha

[woven ingot]

WE got 4-5 new rare ones this season. So that's gonna take ages, like you I'm at 50ish done. I'll be dead of old age before reaching 80 unique gold Jades I'm afraid 😛

It would need testing but i don't think you need to keep the jade into your collection. As long as it drop once, and you seen the special screen showing you "hey you got a new Jades it does <that>" it should be accounted for the achievement.

[chrome seal]

I wonder when are they gonna make a looting event like they did last season with no demon shall pass or whatever it was called. Need to farm purple and golds for the shards

[woven ingot]

I agree that no demon wasn't bad at all! Extra fast farming, and all those explosion was kinda fun!

[chrome seal]

Yeah I guess it just counts once u receive it

[woven ingot]

You got 65, so I bet you started at season 1.5?

[chrome seal]

Sadly I wasn't aware how it works back then and used hundreds of those purple/golden jades to increase sense lvl instead of deconstructing them

[woven ingot]

We pretty much all did i think ^^

[chrome seal]

I wasn't exact with it haha. Not like I can recall it exactly but it was smth around 60 yeah

I started showdown in like july-august
Think it was 2.0 back then

[woven ingot]

It's both an easy and harsh achievement, as we can do nothing, just play the game to be sure you have all the new Jades, and wait for new ones.

Yeahso kinda like me, started 3 months ago, at the end of 2.0 iirc. So i may not have had all the rares from 2.0 ending with 56 on that achievement. Not like I was farming Enigma when i started for lot of gold Jades, more like I was the one farmed in normal/hard campaign 😛

[chrome seal]

Oh actually I did play that earlier in spring as well now that I think of it and maybe it was 1.5 indeed
Cause the nirritis used to be yamas abyss back then
But I didn't like it too much and focused rather on BR than PVE

[woven ingot]

Makes sense yes. So you may have a few Jades from that time. Every little bit helps!

Too bad they don't put some "chests" in a shop or another to buy old Jades. Even if they are retired, just so we could complete the collection.

[chrome seal]

Yeah would be not bad

[naive vector]

@fierce light since backfire wont kill you even at 1 hp left. Does that mean the effect of +20% buff stops?

[fierce light]

No, it's always active.

[woven ingot]

No you should keep the +20% at all time, even when you fall to 1HP. It's a permanent effect.
The damage retaliaton being a separate function on the Jade.
Still beware were you use that Jade. Everything having Poison/Fire puddles will kill you instant. Ghost Hornet in Hard+ mode will kill you, and of course don't visit Chimera with that Jade on you or you'll have VERY bad time there.

Unless you take Armor Guard in the red Potential tree, but sounds like a waste of points to me.

Time to sleep. Have a nice day/games people! Tomorrow reset yay!

[thorn narwhal]

u2

@hidden creek will the offline patch work with steam? as tomorrow is the update

[wind light]

what souljade that i can replace copperward that used in thunder pull,counter, scorching

[fierce light]

Got my Poison Lotus build to x4 [Moderation] and x4 [Windfall] so far.

[surreal saffron]

defuse flaming blade or maybe the weapon ones(velocity, aerial rend, etc)

[fickle linden]

mine is only 1 windfall so far 😦

[plain spire]

i use rare health jade with +15% health attribute on my thunder scorch build, not confident enough for copper ward on hard bosses. Sometimes i use sap or ember 😂

[surreal saffron]

oh yeah, sap also good option

[surreal saffron]

is that an app?

[plain spire]

https://dark-zer0.github.io/Showdown/img/site/banner.jpg

It's zero's guide his the goat in showdown guides

[surreal saffron]

oh he updated the website i see

[plain spire]

The build i enjoy the most is the hydroflare build defusing is just satisfying, finish manticore NS with that build yesterday.

[fickle linden]

i got 3 potential points for reward, can i use them asap or should i wait until i max potential before using them?

[plain spire]

you can use them asap it resetable anyway

[fickle linden]

thanks

[lapis sundial]

Is thunder lotus better than ice lotus? @fierce light

[fierce light]

No.

[lapis sundial]

Iirc about a week ago you were saying something about thunder lotus not really being viable compared to ice lotus but the update guide still puts thunder above ice?

Tyty i just wanted to make sure lol. Tbh idek where to go with my feria or Tessa now -____-

[wind light]

good take

[wind light]

perfect

[fierce light]

The power ranking is lower than all the others, just a bit higher than the old Spring's Call Thunder though.

[lapis sundial]

Oo ok tysm =]

[wind light]

beside scroching , is lotus still good

[fierce light]

Yeah especially for mobbing.

[thorn narwhal]

@fierce light another idea that could help a bit is to
color the jades on scale of how hard they're likely to drop so people can invest heavily on important ones and get better base for easier ones.

also could write under each jade image if there's a preferred rare to have on that jade for more optimal builds ex. arcane > mod, copper> scorch

[fierce light]

Yeah i could add the color coding for the harder to get ones and add a description regarding that. Although I'd reckon the core Souljades are more important to get the non-Windfall rares so you can be more flexible with the build.

[hollow herald]

Did they reduce time limit of Yama's levels?

[fierce light]

It's not still 6 minutes?

[hollow herald]

It was 6 minutes before? I just keep running out of time on levels which I could complete before

[fierce light]

Yeah, i remember seeing a few times around 5:55

So assuming it starts from an even number, must be 6mins

[lapis sundial]

Anyone running manticores hunt on NS and has room for 1 more?😶

[wicked wren]

anyone up for showdown hard EU?

[signal kite]

3:56 with yueshan

375% ice blast ToT

[signal kite]

[fierce light]

Yeah, can't compete with that, but tbf his ability in his ultimate almost hits as hard as the first 3 big swipes of Yoto Hime's Ultimate. Or to be more exact 96% of Wuchen's Ultimate.

[signal kite]

[round glacier]

Gl getting windfall lol

All in getting is recasting sorching to sorching

Last season i was looking for sorching and only getting mod

[thorn narwhal]

i would say they definitely manipulated it,
last season 8 mods on a row, now scorching suddenly

[leaden relic]

Wish I had those flux jades still saved that dropped me moderation only last season

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Catfïsh leveled up!
| Extra rewards were added for missing levels

[leaden relic]

<@&1268843709106229278>

[inner moss]

[leaden relic]

Ty

[bold ice]

Sounds a little tinfoil-ish but definitely does feel weird

Just recast to normal attributes with higher %

[bold ice]

I know the convo is long done and it doesn't really answer your question but ice lotus can get you 9* doom solo

So it is something nice to build for

[cobalt torrent]

nirriti's ruins are the fastest and best to level the potential, right? 4600 exp on hard completion for 45 fatigue while 150% rewards

or is there a better more convenient way lol

[bold ice]

I believe it's the best, think it's calculated per spent fatigue

So since it takes 45 and is quite easy to finish it would be the best

[limpid pecan]

technically if u just care about potential exp, u can do nirriti normal

u can also quit last boss and end up something like 597 fatigue or so

then u can use elixir to eat 90 fatigue at 150% rewards going all the way into 687

and u can do it again at 1797

and 2397

[bold ice]

[bronze knoll]

whats the fastest way to get up sense?

just doing overlvld things?

[plain spire]

nitiri normal or hard every game you upgrade soul jade to make drop sj sense higher

[drifting lance]

🎉 | fisher leveled up!

[bronze knoll]

nitiri is the old abyss right?

[plain spire]

yes

[bronze knoll]

what about nightscream and the one above?

[plain spire]

hard and nightscream has same loot percentage, the only difference is the souljade drop.

[bronze knoll]

i c

ty

[timid igloo]

yo does scorching have diminishing returns?? got unlucky with rares trying to get windfalls

[hidden creek]

wdym does it has diminishing returns?

[timid igloo]

I mean with a thunderscorch build like if you have more than say +12 it would be better to have a windfall instead of another scorching

something like that

[bold ice]

12 is max scorching

15 doesn't do anything

[timid igloo]

cause i kinda ended up with +21, so im thinking if I should build a new jade for windfall and scrap a 2x scorch

[hidden creek]

dude
what the fu

[bold ice]

Thats genuinely crazy

[timid igloo]

used to pray for scorching now that's all i be getting

T-T

[hidden creek]

be careful what you wish for huh

[bold ice]

Sounds like you've gotten yourself 3 slots for (almost) maxed normal attributes

Congrats

[timid igloo]

imagine I roll another double scorch again and cry myself to sleep

[bold ice]

Hope you didn't spend fragments on getting max values

[fierce light]

It's an even ratio on any mission you do, however, Nirriti's Ruins is the most efficient of you're using Elixirs and/or Potential Boosters.

[fierce light]

I wouldn't say that's diminishing returns, it just has a hard cap. If it was allowed to go above 12, it would be absolutely game breaking. It kinda was pushing it last season.

[timid igloo]

i was thinking about it, hence the question xdd

[timid igloo]

I didn't know that, i see

[bold ice]

Yeah just get the excess over 12 pity rolled to health and attack and get windfalls

[timid igloo]

just checked, i have +19 not +21 cause i didn't raise the latest scorching

also it sucks that the two jades i gotta replace are purple and i don't have any of those jade cubes to add slots

[formal lark]

why not?

[bold ice]

They drop like crazy from ruins now

[bold ice]

Cause if he spent hundreds on getting health and attack to max he wouldn't get much payoff for the bonus scorchings

[formal lark]

but if he have already 12 scorch why not roll for max value? ofcourse only if its the second rare on that jade..

thats how I got this

cost only about 400 fragments

[bold ice]

If he rolls the bonus scorch into a normal attribute it will be max or almost max value immediately

[formal lark]

no

[bold ice]

Yes

[formal lark]

I mean do I understand you right?

if you reroll a rare attribute or what you mean

[hidden creek]

it doesn't

[bold ice]

Yes, roll a rare into a normal one

[formal lark]

no man

its random

[bold ice]

He has 21 scorch total on his jades

[formal lark]

thats why I made a list

[bold ice]

Every time I rolled a rare into a normal it was max or almost max value

[formal lark]

then you are very lucky

its not trust me

[bold ice]

Alright

[formal lark]

I did that several times

I made a little list thats why

[bold ice]

Didn't assume I could be lucky

I mean that's just a list of max values per attribute

[formal lark]

yes

for that reason

when I reroll a max attribute

then I can check whats max attribute

to not waste fragments

most are in but its not complete

[timid igloo]

i don't see the need for such a list, since the max values are shown in game as is

[bold ice]

Regardless I think we can agree that if you rolled a rare and don't need it, rolling it into a normal attribute is worth it

[hidden creek]

it doesn't show on recasting UI

[timid igloo]

ah fair

[formal lark]

you cant check while you are recastin

feel free to copy 😉 ❤️

[hidden creek]

obviously, since that rare is useless anyway

[bold ice]

Well yeah I mean making use of the pity roll

[fierce light]

The pity roll being guaranteed high wasn't well known till recently.

[hidden creek]

🤔 it does?

u're talking about the 60 recasts pity?

[fierce light]

Ice Lotus won't sound so sharp hopefully

[fierce light]

Yeah

[limpid pecan]

what u mean by this?

[fierce light]

Apparently it's guaranteed to roll at least 85% of max. I haven't tested it personally yet though.

I will be though if this flux shard rolls bad from this week

[hidden creek]

eh

good to know ig

[novel sable]

@fierce light good you back to normal

[warped falcon]

Is it possible to reroll 2nd rare attribute to another or do i have to use another flux jade?

[fierce light]

You have to use a Flux Jade.

[twin ledge]

Nice I hate hearing it in ruins

Had to dead ass ask my team from trying to not grab 12 it really gave me a head ache

[rapid crag]

Is this confirmed? Cuz I think there was a time before I was recasting a 2nd rare stat and trying to get a max value normal stat but I got another rare stat

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Jz leveled up!

[hearty rivet]

OKay I have a strong suspicion that catchup points at 600 and 1800 fatigue give reward based on lower reward% instead of the previous quadrant from where it was gathering the catchup points

[fierce light]

Yeah the game says it when you hover over the (i) in the recast screen.

[hearty rivet]

This is what it offers now but before reaching 1800, with 410 points it was offering 2 souljades or 1 crystal

[fierce light]

Dunno, I think you just get less catch up points overall at lower Rewards %

[hearty rivet]

I do

but

At 1620 spent fatigue, I had 410 catch up points and for that the bar in the quest window offered 2 souljades. Then I reached 1800 fatigue, gathered some more catchup points to a total of 650 and instead of 2 (or more) I was offered (and received) only 1.

Which might also be intentional but then catchup rewards for 150 / 100 / 100 / 75 quadrants will be as if the reward tiers were 100 / 100 / 75 / 75

[heavy gulch]

GIVEAWAY -> #📆┃on-going-event message

[chrome seal]

Can anyone also explain how the exhalirating elixir works/ what it does and when is it useful? Just seem confused over here

[fierce light]

They double the fatigue you consume for a mission for double the rewards. So essentially 1 run's time will count as 2.

• You can use it to double the value of Legendary Rune Keys for Enigma Domain.
• You can use it to get more out of your Potential Boosters.
• You can use it to cut down the amount of time needed that week to use all of your fatigue.

[chrome seal]

Cheers!

[bronze knoll]

is the potential tree working in nirriti?

[hidden creek]

no

[bronze knoll]

at the season challenge stat bonus?

[hidden creek]

that one do work in nirriti

and only in nirriti

[bronze knoll]

i c ty

[thorn narwhal]

that system is so broken, it's not scaled with ur rewards % it just purely random
on 150% had 1150 and only 2 fragments
but other time 300 points would give 1

[bronze wharf]

the game are start trolling
namoami buddha

[thorn narwhal]

weeklies reset right

[woven ingot]

They reseted two hours ago yes.

And after maintenance we should have 2 new Yama, the speedrun and Enigma Peaks.

[thorn narwhal]

meant after update too like last one

[twin ledge]

Dang just got both of these

[woven ingot]

Ah i see what you mean. No I don't think so, it only happens when a new season starts iirc, not at every maintenance.

[woven ingot]

You burnt your luck for your whole life in one go! But, congratz still 😉

[ebon parrot]

guys, i forgot but can u get new attribute slots by recasting

or do u have to imbue now

[woven ingot]

If you want to add a 3rd/4th slot you need to use Shrouded Jades.

[ebon parrot]

oh ok

thanks

[gloomy tundra]

where can i put any lfg message to get some people for nightscream difficulty pve runs?

[twin ledge]

Nah

Haven’t even seen one rare like this since start of last season

[wind light]

whats the meta right now

[thorn narwhal]

#🐲┃showdown-lfg

[fierce light]

85% on the dot, noted

[thorn narwhal]

finally a red title

[chrome seal]

Hey from which mode? Or is it the fatigue compensation? Do you have any luck stats on the build you use?

[fierce light]

Wonder if they're going to do a smaller category for the upgrade, or if it's still just going to be top 10.

[thorn narwhal]

we're treated after china so most likely still top 10

[thorn narwhal]

oh update's already out

6gb vs 23 gbs man

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Mave leveled up!

[twin ledge]

Enigma and the other was from a battle pass

[naive vector]

I need help with nightscream 2nd last and last mission

[twin ledge]

And no luck stats

[simple condor]

what are elemental bursts

[fierce light]

Ice Blasts (most well-known one), Poison Blasts (not to be confused with Toxin Blast), and Divine Thunder are all Elemental Bursts.

• These are bursts of damage that occur as a result of enough Elemental Accumulation on an enemy from your attacks.
• The amount of Element-Wielding you have determines how much Wielding you apply to enemies, alongside the base damage of your attacks.

[solid rock]

Right after i do rank 1 Tarka with 20s this week 💀

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Sacred leveled up!
ℹ | Level up messages can be disabled for the guild with owo level disabletext

[thorn narwhal]

haha true i saw it

[fierce light]

Congrats then

[naive vector]

you said you would help dark zero before the update

[solid rock]

My statement could come across as arrogant, noticed that now 😅 Wrote it a bit "in the moment" as i read Mave's screenshot from patch notes

[fierce light]

Oh no I meant you'll be getting a red title

[solid rock]

Ahaa, no damage done then. Bit of a humble brag, first time no. 1. Thanks 🎉

[lapis sundial]

Need a 3rd for manticores​ hunt NS if anyone can help

[ebon parrot]

r u able to consecutive defuse with tessa?

[surreal saffron]

if you mean like wuchen or feria, no

[late raptor]

U can, defuse-left click-defuse.

[ebon parrot]

ooh okay ty

[timid stirrup]

some attack sequences might not allow for the follow up left click > defuse but it can be done

[thorn narwhal]

sadly week hasn't been reset, regret finishing them in 1 hour

the wuchen pose look so good tho

[bronze wharf]

give me mod please
that frozen blast is reeally have a history with me since season 1.0
am i cursed ?

[hearty rivet]

Looks like enigma catchup thing is not yet fixed

[subtle bramble]

was just about to complain abt that too 😭

[signal kite]

Stay happy u didn't get scorching

[quaint girder]

Finished Doom and Speedrun this week. Nightmare Manticore with Yueshan

Too

Heppi

[rough ermine]

May i know how do i increase my combat power further please? I already collected all the recommended gem for viper and her level is max..

[bronze wharf]

bro i keep getting scorching since showdown season 1.0 before i got this .

[quaint girder]

Character Level is separate from Sense Level.

To increase Sense Level you have to level up the Souljades themselves. To do this, select the character. Then select "Upgrade Souljades" below the Souljades you have Equipped. Then select Upgrade Sense Level.

[vivid merlin]

Each member used gold keys at 2400/2400 fatigue.. Seriously?

[fierce light]

Yeah Enigma is really stingy with the drops. Only feels better for leveling Sense at the moment instead of Souljade Fragments like they claimed.

Maybe Enigma Peak will be better.

[vivid merlin]

Sometimes I think "luck" is but a stat and does nothing at all.. I can understand the RNG, but not at this magnitude. 💢

[solid rock]

Moderation gods on my side

[solid rock]

Enigma's been crazy volatile, been running elixir gold keys and sometimes 5 legendary and a bunch of epics, and other times 1 legendary and the same amount of epics. I guess luck means luck literally

[rough ermine]

I see.. thanks for sharing.. Do i still level them if i don't have a desired stat?

[quaint girder]

Yes, the game pukes blue SJs all the time. You can't clear content to complete BP/Quests without high enough sense level.

A good build at a high sense level with garbage stats is still better than a good build with low sense level while you're waiting for good stats.

Lastly, you can always reroll stats into something you prefer.

[plain spire]

https://dark-zer0.github.io/Showdown/ guide

[rough ermine]

Ah got it! Thanks for sharing my dude

[rough ermine]

Thanks for the guide!

[fierce light]

Desired stats don't matter since it's easy to recast them right. Having high % stats is more ideal though so you have less fixing to do later if you want to max a build.

[signal kite]

U building that hybrid thunder and ice variant

[buoyant notch]

Zai as a showdown hero when?

I mean I don’t get the order they are putting the heroes into the story at. Like is it relevant to the story? Or newest boss…or whatever the devs decide on a whim…

[hearty rivet]

@fierce light for ice build potential tree. For mod/arcane thunder builds would Divine storm + epiphany be a lot worse than Untouchable talent + Aroma Aura?

[fierce light]

In that build, Arcane Thunder would probably at most make up 10% of your damage with that build, so the 25% from Divine Storm wouldn't really beat the +10% Attack. Untouchable Talent does require you to not get hit though so its use might vary. But you could go for Epiphany, especially as you reach higher Attack attributes.

[hearty rivet]

Thanks! Around how much attack is considered too much?

[fierce light]

Can never have too much tbh. Only really when Spring's Call meta was a thing would diminishing returns start to hit Attack hard.

[solid rock]

Yes, this one 👍

[signal kite]

Whooaa cool

[solid rock]

You can find more info here: https://dark-zer0.github.io/Showdown/build.html?option=1 credz to DarK Zer0

[signal kite]

It's ok i know about that build haha

[solid rock]

Aha, all good then 🎉

[signal kite]

But if u do so u have sacrifice your thuderscorch build i mean changing health % to ice blast

[solid rock]

Yeah, but i'll just change back if i need to use thunderscorch for yama's leaderboard or something

[signal kite]

O my god that's a hell kinda waste of resources 😭

[solid rock]

Feel like this build is a lot more fun than thunderscorch

[signal kite]

Agree

[formal lark]

Did they nerfed drop in enigma again? -.-

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Trailer leveled up!

[hard vector]

Is there a way to farm jades to quickly increase your sense level?

I'm barely level 850

[hearty rivet]

Farming the 1st 3 bosses of enigma was the method last season. Dunno about this one. I just farmed nirriti hard solo and it took me about 2 weeks to max 1 full set and bring up to 1110-ish 2 more sets.

[fierce light]

Enigma probably is still the best option for Leveling Sense.

Doesn't seem to be better at Souljade Fragments or Crystals though (consistently).

[hard vector]

thanks for the advice, I'll try

[fickle linden]

doing yamas first time boss got full healed like 3-4 times, am i supposed to burst it down when it goes in the middle when it's low health?

[fierce light]

Omnious Rock or Omnious Void/Beast?

[fickle linden]

its the rock one

[fierce light]

He just has 4 phases, can't kill him till the last one.

[fickle linden]

ahh so many phases

thanks 🙂

there is pinned post about yama bosses but i don't get it. what zone 5, 10, 15? it was just one boss for me in yama?

per rank

ugh finally got the omnius rock down. i was overleveled thought lol

[fierce light]

It's a very old pin, you can refer to this image instead.

[fierce light]

Okay fixed up the pins a bit where I could. Less scrolling and more up-to-date stuff.

[hollow herald]

We really need more slots for different souljade builds. 3 is not enough!

[fierce light]

Assuming you can build 3 different souljade builds.

[rapid crag]

where do u guys farm Ghastbloom and other lotus jades? Its taking me ages to get a good one with at least 2 80%+ stats

[woven ingot]

Ghastbloom is from Chimera NS. Or lucky drop from Nirriti.

[fierce light]

• Manticore Hunt • Nightscream
• Nirriti's Ruins • Nightscream | Legend

[rapid crag]

even in nightscream manticore, the drop rate is still too low 😦

[fierce light]

Yeah they honestly should just remove the common drop pool from it, so chapter missions aren't so punishing to farm

[bronze wharf]

I only drop 1 Jade from catch up point are you seriuos ? WTF

[woven ingot]

Catch up may need a little bit of tweaking imo

[trim token]

so close

[woven ingot]

Which last boss did you had?

[stoic rapids]

Sometime my teammate pick manticore last map and we fug off

[woven ingot]

That's some temerity, unless he's especially trained on that boss. Didn't tried in Nirriti, but can you grapple on the buildings there to save the day on the rotating breath?

[hidden creek]

the boss is annoying as a whole not just the breath

[stoic rapids]

Im still stuck at manticore phase2

The thunder fugkin hard to parry or pass

[hidden creek]

if you missed the parry then try to defuse the upcoming lightning/poison balls

[stoic rapids]

I mean the thunder hole map

[woven ingot]

Yes, but the rest won't one shot you, and Chimera not being too aggressive you got chances to heal. The rotating breath is usually a one shot for me if I don't dodge it.
The other very high damage attack is her grab, but she only rarely use it and only in stone form. So you can just run away when she goes stone form if you're not doing a speed run and wanna be safe.

[stoic rapids]

And the thunder go arond the manti

[woven ingot]

But yeah I agree overall tabbie, the boss is troublesome overall, and I would clearly avoi to choose it as the last one ^^

[stoic rapids]

Sometime i been 1 shot right after i rev

[trim token]

Hell scorch

[stoic rapids]

That ez to parry

[trim token]

yea, but healing is tricky with the tps

[woven ingot]

Ok not the worst once you trained against him. He got pretty clear attack paterns. But I agree I spent hours on him before managing to him. He's fast, and hit quite hard. Not the worst boss you could have, not the best I guess ^^

[trim token]

Imma try the no anima rings legend next time ig xd

[stoic rapids]

When he go to sky or tp just passively use the universe and destroy the virtual armor

[woven ingot]

Healing versus Hellscorch is very hard. He tends to be very aggressive and will always use one of his two teleports if you thought you managed to run away.

[trim token]

I was hoping for matron 2nd phase or rock 2nd phase

[stoic rapids]

I mean just use the right&left click if u dont see him

[hidden creek]

you was hoping for phase 2 matron?

[trim token]

hehe

[woven ingot]

Right, but the timing of defusing on his teleport isn't easy to get.

[trim token]

Paragon 3 flashbacks

[stoic rapids]

I think the bigger boss is more ez to parry

[hidden creek]

easiest is the hammer dude

[woven ingot]

I share tabbie's feeling: it's clearly a boss i'd avoid ahah

[hidden creek]

[stoic rapids]

I fugkin hate korvine and the ice queen

[woven ingot]

Electric one should be the easier. Slow combos, very easy to see. And you can defuse/punish every move of his combos.

[trim token]

Korvine can fuck off but matron is manageable imo

[stoic rapids]

Like they allway delay 1s bebore hit so i usually miss parry

[woven ingot]

Korvine asks a lot of training. After many hours of pain in the new season's Enigma I start to feel less hate for her.
But you have to learn her combo, and it's hard to heal against her, she's fast and aggressive.

[stoic rapids]

I just hate the ice queen when she make my ice point up and i cant do anything

Just see how she make my hp down

[woven ingot]

Matron is less fast, but I feel her attack are hard to see. Youdon't get hit when she starts the attack, but in the middle of the animation. The fight doesn't feel fluid to me because of that.
For all the wrong Korvine can do, she at least has very clear attacks, you easily know when the hit will land.

[hidden creek]

true

the chainblade animation is fked

and matron moded is so big it's hard to see her animation

[woven ingot]

Yeah, and she has different combos (with blue or without in the middle of them) that I 'm not at ease to differentiate.

[hidden creek]

another reason make it hard

is that matron often 1shot you with a combo

if you get hit by just one attack

and if she doesn't, the freeze will be there

and you eat another attack into another chain attack

[fierce light]

They made the animation for it so fast that if you have any ping on trios it'll desync. Solo though, it seems more reliable.

[hidden creek]

i always avoid matron if possible

always pick hammer dude then fire dude then dragon

[woven ingot]

The freeze is another problem. She doesn't hit too hard, but once she pass a freeze she's like "hey thanks! Free damage!"
And I play Mod Ice, I already freeze myself, she's clearly not helping! 😛

[lone umbra]

dragon is weird to me

i find matron better than fire dude

[hidden creek]

idk fire dude i can react defuse/parry/dodge everything

while matron i just can't

[woven ingot]

Once you know the fight Fire boss is very manageable and interesting, you can defuse him at will, and he uses a lot of blue focus attacks for nice counters. Plus they are pretty much at the same places in his combos so you even know what to expect.

[hidden creek]

yeah his attack pattern is much clearer

[woven ingot]

Only his midlife event (both phase 1 and 2) seems quite bad to me. But I bet there is a precise timing to know to counter the shards he sends.

[hidden creek]

only if you're doing speedrun then it's quite hard

otherwise you can just keep your distance

dodge/parry/defuse will be easier

[woven ingot]

I remember doing that in Yama. Running in circle at max distance and rolling once every 2 shards. Not very glorious but worked better than being at point blank and trying to counter 😄
If it's a version that does less damage than the Yama one, spam counter, when I hear the sound of a successful counter, one free hit and go back to spaming counter.

[fierce light]

Omnious Scorch has really good telegraphing. But feels like since him, they've gotten worse about it. Although Omnious Rock can be coaxed into doing certain attacks depending on if you're far from him, behind him or upclose in front.

[thorn narwhal]

yeah i have tthe same thoughts in the big feedback almost done

to people to who bought the battlepass what are ur thoughts, is it good enough or isn't worth it
and would u buy it again

[woven ingot]

I'm ok with the battlepass. But I'm not very difficult.

[lone umbra]

same for me for matron that fire dude alway laggy/delayed attack for me

[fierce light]

Battlepass gives all the gold back, so I just buy it if I know I'm going to be active that season. I do like the Christmas themed skins though, glad they gave me something for Cyra that doesn't look like a peasant.

[thorn narwhal]

someone little more difficult then

[thorn narwhal]

showdown* one

[fierce light]

Oh

It does seem a lot more generous with the materials.

[thorn narwhal]

need to know if someone bought and feels rewards are a bit.. cheap

[fierce light]

Don't think it should be worth more than the Treasure Pass though