👾┃showdown

[fierce light]

Bad thing?

[hidden creek]

yeah exceeded 100% mod

but if i decide to make this ghastbloom ice then i'll have 75% mod on my ice build hmm

[hearty rivet]

can't you swap out another one?

turn it into a max stat or something on another souljade with single mod if you have one

[hidden creek]

yeah that

or i could farm another ghastbloom

and make current one ice

[plain spire]

mine need just 1 scorching to 12 and game says nah uhh

[fierce light]

I swapped one of the single mods when that happened

[hidden creek]

my other jades got really nice stats so...

[fierce light]

Preferable to get double mod on the core jade for more build flexibility

[hidden creek]

yeah and ghastbloom is the core jade 😂

on all lotus builds

[fierce light]

Yup

[hidden creek]

eh well at least it's not scorching

[plain spire]

in elemental builds what's the priority attribute ? is it Poison/ice blast > attack > etc? or attack > poison/ice blast?

[thorn narwhal]

if lotus poison blast 1st, if not then attack

@fierce light is this normal? by the time explosions happen hundun is already near death

[fierce light]

Do you have Hydro's Bound?

Yeah it's no way that's with Hydro's Bound, cause that's the normal unboosted amount to proc elemental burst on bosses

[tacit nest]

unfortunately

lmfaooo

i tried doing ns nirriti and got demolished

[shadow rivet]

is it worth it to do nirriti on legend or should i just stuck to nightscream

[fierce light]

• Legend for the 1 time clear challenge.
• Nightscream if you're aiming for Nightscream-only jades or trying to complete challenges.
• Hard when farming normally for materials.

[shadow rivet]

i see

thanks

[thorn narwhal]

if u mean this I'm 1 point away from it
altho almost 40sec unboosted? by how much does it cut it off

[lone umbra]

@fierce light which would be better on wuchen on poison lotus build? solidification or miasma drive?

[fierce light]

It multiplies the accumulation of poison by 1.7. The most important part of the tree for it tbh.

[quaint girder]

It's so hard to keep up with everyone farming

[fierce light]

I'll have to do the math on that in a bit

[quaint girder]

I just had a Trios Enigma run with all legendary keys with Elixir. Man I only burned like 180 fatigue and got so many Souljades

[thorn narwhal]

will see how the build will be as for now proc is the worst part

[quaint girder]

It was so worth the fatigue to SJ ratio, it's just so hard to find more people to play with after Wednesday

I hate my 9-5 especially this week since I got a work call at 5AM

How come people say Enigma isn't worth it?

Felt like it was, or maybe I was just lucky

[fierce light]

Miasma Drive would be better (Left = Miasma, Right = Solidification):

[fierce light]

Enigma Domain vs Nirriti's Ruins • Hard (@ 100% Rewards)

• Drop Rate
• • Enigma Domain: Legendary = 3.75%, Epic = 11.25%
• • Nirriti's Ruins • Hard: Legendary = 5%, Epic = 15%
• Souljade Quantity
• • Enigma Domain (Rune Key): 10 Souljades
• • Enigma Domain (Legendary Rune Key): 16 Souljades
• • Nirriti's Ruins • Hard: 12 Souljades
• Souljade Fatigue Efficiency
• • Enigma Domain (Rune Key): 0.333 Souljades per 1 Fatigue
• • Enigma Domain (Legendary Rune Key): 0.533 Souljades per 1 Fatigue
• • Nirriti's Ruins • Hard: 0.267 Souljades per 1 Fatigue
• Expected Souljade Quality over 600 Fatigue
• • Enigma Domain (Rune Key): 7.5 Legendary Souljades & 22.5 Epic Souljades
• • Enigma Domain (Legendary Rune Key): 12 Legendary Souljades & 36 Epic Souljades
• • Nirriti's Ruins • Hard: 8 Legendary Souljades & 24 Epic Souljades

Now I don't have the stats on the quantity of Carved Crystals, but it's definitely apparent that Nirriti's Ruins has a higher drop rate of those and it even says so in-game. So that makes Enigma Domain only worth running if you're trying to farm Sense Level quickly or if you're running purely with Legendary Rune Keys for more Souljade Fragments.

[dusk plover]

Anyone else still get the glitch where tarkas skill and cannon/musket doesn’t do any damage even though it hits?

[lone umbra]

thank you bro

[fierce light]

@thorn narwhal Alright I did one, although I got the longest death animation and it spammed the worst attack it could.

[thorn narwhal]

thanks, RNG was bad yea.
it seems having mod could be sort of essential from now on

[tacit nest]

anyone down to run some ns nirriti

i gotta get this ghastbloom

[thorn narwhal]

but for something like this Tessa's skill is too op why not use it at every chance

[pale crystal]

@fierce light Hi, can I ask for attribute advice on the poison lotus build? Do you think this build will fit with Wuchen?

[round glacier]

Yueshan i thinj is broken

Dude ultimate is up most of the time lol

[hard glade]

Solidification would perform better on which heroes or will Miasma still be better for other heroes?

[cyan grove]

So you guys are telling me that the previous poison build is useless???

What's the point of farming that much for a build that will have to be changed entirely the next season?

Knowing that you can't even max out a build in 1 season

[signal kite]

Relax my buddy just use those 4 main toxic jades along with toxified Lotus and ghastbloom

So only 2 jades u have to swap no waste at all

[signal kite]

https://tenor.com/view/ai-hoshino-mesmerizer-oshi-no-ko-anime-girl-anime-gif-11123322147637107514

[dusky sparrow]

Am i the only one struggling with buried giant? It doesn't feel like it was play tested..... at all

[plain spire]

use the spear on his forehead

[dusky sparrow]

Refer to general for the actual issues I am having. Is only maybe a 3 second small scroll up

[fierce light]

Yeah, Abilities (on the ones that were buffed, or strong before) allow you to skip two charged attacks you'd have to use before.

[fierce light]

If you use it too early, it'll be down when the cooldown for Poison Blast expires, so you'll miss out.

[fierce light]

Now that I'm thinking on it, Miasma Drive looks to be better against bosses in general. Solidification does have some thresholds against mobs, but you can just make up for it by charging to the next stage.

[cyan grove]

Hello @fierce light, can I have an update on the decent builds to use this season please?

[fierce light]

Core jades will pretty much never change in a build, so it's best to invest in those heavily first.

Poison's core jades being Noxious Blast, Pestilent Pool and Infectious Touch.

[fierce light]

Season 4.0 Meta Builds

Subject to change. Open full message to see all builds. Check out the site for more details.

Thunder Scorch Surge

-# Parry attacks and Divine Thunder to apply massive Burns to enemies around you.

• Thunderpull
• Thunder Counter
• Element Surge (Thunder-Wielding)
• Thunder Charge
• Draco Stride
• Incineration

Frost Surge / Skill Surge

-# Ice Blasts will attempt to freeze you to enter an enhanced state.

• Successive Ice Blast
• Frozen Blast
• Depths Blast
• Element Surge Ice-Wielding
• Chill Spike
• Frostbite Chain

• 6 Ice-Wielding for Frost Surge.
• 5 Ice-Wielding + 1 Poison-Wielding for Skill Surge.

Deadeye Poison Surge

-# Sacrifice your health for more damage output.
Core

• Pestilent Pool
• Element Surge Poison-Wielding
• Miasma Drive
• Backfire
  Bow
• Toxic Arrows
• Scattershot Enhance
  Musket
• Toxic Shot
• Renewed Vigor
  Swarm
• Renewed Vigor
• Shattered Edge

Kylin Thunder Surge

-# Attacks will build Thundershock on yourself, when full, you can parry Divine Thunder for massive damage especially in Kylin's Ultimate.

• Thunderpull
• Thunder Counter
• Element Surge Thunder-Wielding
• Thunder Charge
• Backfire
• Soul-drawing

[clever glade]

Was that a recast or did you imbue?

[hidden creek]

2nd rare must be from imbue

always

[clever glade]

Every time you get “unlucky” drops from showdown that counts for “catch up points” that’s 1 game

So basically we should all get it by middle of the season💀

[clever glade]

I know, it just threw me off for a sec

[hidden creek]

idk about that, first week i got like 20 matches with 2400 fatigue burned, season is 6 months long = 24 weeks, 24*20 that's just 480 catch-up matches

the achievement need 600 matches

[clever glade]

I was trynna be hopeful 😂 but yea realistically.. end of season.

[slate egret]

Anyone could help out with a doom? Just returned after months break and i'm only 810.. and just can't find 2 more ppl to even que up.

[cyan grove]

thanks a lot

[granite marsh]

Not sure i'll get it even at end of season ngl

[signal kite]

Man I'm still holding myself from working on any build but I think I can't hold it anymore , I just wanna be part of you symphony

[clever glade]

I feel that bro, mainly the ones that are grinding showdown hard using all 2400 fatigue each week. Which can take up a lot of time, so I feel you for sure.

[grim girder]

Thanks for the builds, man! Could you please share potentials for Ice Lotus and Poison Lotus builds?

[fierce light]

They're in the pins

[fierce light]

Any Moderator can pin this?

[inner moss]

Gabito got it-o

[hidden creek]

[fierce light]

I had those ticking for like 1.1k yesterday, crazy DPS for sure.

[hidden creek]

yeah

actually make me wonder if thunder lotus build is legit with that sj that gives the same effect

[grim girder]

@fierce light could you please explain why for Ice Lotus the red sub-tree is prefered, but for Poison the green one?

Green = +40% Lotus Impact damage

Red = +10% attack AFAIK

isn't green always betteR?

[hidden creek]

simply because you don't have enough points to go the other way

you want the green node than increase your aegis break skill dmg to health 210%

with ice if you don't go red tree then you got like 6 points left with no where to put it

[fierce light]

10% more Attack > 40% Lotus DMG when you account for all the other damage sources that don't scale from it.

[grim girder]

@hidden creek with Ice you can use Hydroflare damage, since you have Hydroflare anyway when you're running Ice

[fierce light]

Especially if you're not always close to your enemies for Lotus Impact to activate, which is usually the case when mobbing with Ice.

[hidden creek]

wdym you have hydroflare when you running ice?

where's the hydroflare comes from?

[grim girder]

@hidden creek Skilled Fire Chant is literally the first perk in the Ice Tree while Frost Douse is on the way to the Ice Root

so you have source of Soaked and Burning always

when running the Ice Tree

[hidden creek]

😂

[fierce light]

Skilled Fire Chant is a really weak Burn, I wouldn't go for Water and Fire Raged just for that. For reference, it hits weaker than Scorching Lv. 1.

• Deals 350% of your Attack over 10 seconds.

[hidden creek]

you're looking at hydroflare dmg from procing that skilled fire chant?

bro

😂

[bold ice]

theres burn and then theres BURN

the perk is bur-

[grim girder]

lol

[bold ice]

does anyone know if this quest counts if you leave at 3rd boss

[hidden creek]

yes

[signal kite]

I think it counts

[fierce light]

Yeah, it's just attempts. 10 Rune Keys to be exact.

[bold ice]

great

[hidden creek]

you can just eneter then leave it still counts lol

[grim girder]

OK, how about this reasoning? You can run Incineration souljade even from the weakest Hydroflare like Skilled Fire Chant

[signal kite]

[hidden creek]

and what sj you would replace?

[grim girder]

Successive Ice Blast, Incineration, Sub-Zero Seal, Tundra Might, Elemental Lotus & Ghastbloom.

So I replace Frozen Blast in this case

[fierce light]

Between Frozen Blast & Arcane Thunder are Ice Lotus build's biggest DPS increase depending on if you're fighting a boss or mobs respectively.

[grim girder]

@fierce light Arcane Thunder is so good? It just casts 1 thunderbolt when you use F or Ultimate, right? And you don't run perks that buffs thunderbolt damage in this build.

[hidden creek]

and you think it would make the build deal more damages?

[hidden creek]

arcane thunder's thunderbolt hits HARD

[fierce light]

Particularly for Moderation builds. Pop skill, if it hits a small mob, it'll proc Ice Blast instantly, for another ability.

Basically free aimbot

[grim girder]

hm, I see

[fierce light]

Sadly, Poison doesn't have enough accumulation value to proc from Arcane Thunder, so it falls a bit behind for mobbing. For bossing, I'd say it's still a bit hard to tell.

[hidden creek]

is that the reason why we should consider running solidification on poison mod instead of miasma drive?

[grim girder]

I plan to switch to Poison from Ice this season, because there's no room for Cinderfrost and I can't defuse frostbite reliably

[bold ice]

what character are you playing

[grim girder]

Yueshan mostly, but honetsly I can play any character, the jades are shared after all

[fierce light]

It's seeming like Miasma Drive is better in most cases even then. Cause sadly Solidifcation doesn't work like Tundra Might where it's a multiplier. It just adds 30% accumulation value, which puts it just short from quickening rotations for most situations.

[bold ice]

well yeah but some builds make less sense on some characters

[grim girder]

I just like how they buffed Yueshan, especially when running Mod, F builds Ult quickly and you can cast 4 F per Ult

[bold ice]

im playing ice on viper and i never used cinder in my life, always blocking freeze with abilities

[fierce light]

Even when it does shorten rotations, it's not enough of an increase in DPS to beat the +25% Attack from Miasma Drive.

[hidden creek]

i see

so poison mod is pretty much finalized

[grim girder]

You mean Viper cannot be frozen during her F cast?

[bold ice]

yeah

im not sure but wouldnt it be all characters? freeze protection while using F?

[grim girder]

I thought Yueshan and Feria's Ults are the only thing in the game that prevents you from being frozen

[bold ice]

nah you can tank it while initiating an ability

you just have to keep it in mind and have the ability ready to use in time

[grim girder]

I see. Will try that!

[fierce light]

Yeah iirc all characters can immune the freeze with their Ultimate or Skill.

[round glacier]

Running cyan not better then miasa?

That torrent jade on yueshan builds poison pretty fast

You basicially just spamm that the skill and ultimate with 100% mod

[fierce light]

Probably for Matari or a non-Moderation build for non-Heavy Weapon heroes.

[round glacier]

And char specific wielding?

[fierce light]

Basically if you have 75% or more [Moderation], Miasma Drive is your best option. Otherwise, you're a lot more flexible in options.

• Torrent Flow • Element reduces the amount of 1st Charge Verticals required to proc Poison Blast from 4 → 3.
• • Reduces the amount of 2nd Charge Verticals required to proc Poison Blast from 4 → 2.
• Cyan Fang • Element reduces the amount of Uncharged Attack combos for Matari to proc Poison Blast from 4 → 3.

[round glacier]

Hmmmm intresting

[tranquil beacon]

Damn last season I made the viper poison mod build, but most my moderation was stacked on arcane thunder(25%) and incineration(50%), the two who got replaced in the new poison build 😦

[round glacier]

Does this go for hewvy and light weapeons?

[fierce light]

Heavy weapons can't use Cyan Fang. But yeah you can use their Element Jades for additional DPS and Accumulation Rate.

That's what I have on my Yoto Hime and Temulch atm.

[grim girder]

What about Yueshan?

[fierce light]

I use Poison Mod on him, so Miasma Drive

[round glacier]

With kurumi?

Got 125% mod lol

[fierce light]

I'd only recommend Mod on her with Ice.

[round glacier]

And 9 sorch

[fierce light]

But Miasma Drive works on her as well. Just spam your Soul Slash

[round glacier]

Her skill gives her an attck boost i believe

[fierce light]

2 Soul Slashes whether you have Solidification or not will proc Poison Blast on a boss.

Hmm

Actually guess it could work due to how little attacks she can proc anyway

[round glacier]

Ill try miasa instead of cyan then

[fierce light]

Cyan Fang procs it in about the same speed as spamming Soul Slash.

[round glacier]

Aight

Miasa it is theb

[grim girder]

Just compared Ice Lotus with good rolls and Poison Lotus with bad rolls. Ice Lotus was so much better than I'm not sure rolls explain everything.

on the other hand I have 100% mod on Ice and nothing on Poison

I feel like Ice is 30%+ stronger than it was the previous season

Cleared Enigma Topaz solo with 12 minutes left

Last season 10:30 remaining was my best

[fierce light]

Ghastbloom and Elemental Lotus pretty much triple the damage that Successive Ice Blast does.

Then there's the bonus Ice Blast DMG from the Potential Tree, so it's a much larger jump in damage than we've had before.

[burnt jetty]

oh holy crap showdown builds really require up to 12 rare stats?

[fierce light]

Ghastbloom and Toxic Lotus on the otherhand, quintuple the damage output from Poison Blast, assuming you land your Infectious Touch.

[burnt jetty]

im working on a poison lotus setup, so far its performing well

[fierce light]

No, that's just the most optimal. At most 4 Rare Stats are required for certain builds to work.

[hidden creek]

windfall was never ''required stat''

so it's just scorching and mod, and 4 of them you're at max value

[burnt jetty]

it honestly doesnt matter either way since i have zero flux jades currently

[hidden creek]

eh you gonna get the first rare on each sj with recast anyway

[fierce light]

You aim for the core 4 rares first

[hidden creek]

i really like what they did with this season builds
you just work with what you have from previous seasons

and it looks like they're all kinda equal

[burnt jetty]

ive literally never recast a souljade enough times to get a rare perk

[hidden creek]

ice/poison/thunderscorch

[burnt jetty]

well did a bunch of recasting and it only let me pick from basic attributes

[hidden creek]

well

keep recasting

[cursive kestrel]

bro what?

[fierce light]

What's wrong?

[cursive kestrel]

im fighting void but suddenly the beast was spawn right there

void riding beast

[hidden creek]

well because there's only 3 spawn points for bosses on a map
and on your pic there's 4 bosses alive at the same time

[cursive kestrel]

i find it ridiculous the way void riding a beast

[fierce light]

Oh, yeah you can spawn more than one boss in the same spot if you don't clear them as you go

[quaint girder]

Without Flux it's just luck. Sometimes you'll get it on something you were just meme rerolling and other times it will never come on your serious build

[fierce light]

Best to only use Flux Jades on a Souljade you have a Rare that you want on it for a 2nd rare.

[hidden creek]

i mean just expect to recasting like 150+ times for a rare

[fierce light]

Treat Flux Jades like 300 Recasts

Be very picky about them

[quaint girder]

That's 600 jade fragments

wheeee

[bold ice]

I keep trying to get a windfall on my ghastbloom for ice, instead I get mod 15% and scorch 1

Nice that I can get a higher % normal stat I guess

(btw, since there was a debate a few days ago on that topic, it didnt give me max % on anything I rerolled the rare to, but it's significantly closer to max than it was before I rolled a rare into that normal stat)

[hidden creek]

well if you're like me can just take it when a 95% stat appear

aiming for 100% sometimes gonna cost too much materials

[bold ice]

yeah i dont bother getting 100%

if i get something miserable like a 0.8% attack normally and roll a rare into 3.8%, im taking it

[fierce light]

I'm about 75% done with the new Souljades page and 20% done with the Potentials.

[fierce light]

I finished it and everything with my new stylings but it doesn't work on the live version... why

[thorn narwhal]

web develop moment

[velvet hill]

Sheesh

[fierce light]

And now it's working magically....

[thorn narwhal]

x2

is up and looking good

can some mod re pin the website, its buried deep right now

[solid rock]

New graphics looks really good! Only suggestion i have is to reduce the size a bit on the pictures, have to resize browser to 67% to make the builds look the best. This is only nitpicking though!

[fierce light]

Should probably remove those old pins of builds

[solid rock]

First one is 67% and the zoomed is 100% on my browser (chrome) at least

[thorn narwhal]

yeah i second this, would be nice to have most information avialable while still readable

[fierce light]

Ah, yeah I'll keep tweaking around with the sizes

[solid rock]

Amazing work as always, appreciate the time and effort put into testing and sharing information

[tacit nest]

ns niriiti anyone?

[thorn narwhal]

power rating is nice but could also add something like this for approximately max dmg for more reference

[fierce light]

Yeah I was planning on redoing that soon. I'll have to count the hit rate for Lotus Flowers as well.

[thorn narwhal]

goodluck no need to hurry

[lucid ore]

Hi, any good build for Viper Ning with Cyan Fang spam?

[fierce light]

You'd want to go an Ice Lotus build or Poison Lotus build then. Cause Cyan Fang is counterintuitive for Thunder.

[naive vector]

doing weapon exp speed run farm, need high sense level player

we need 1 more

[bronze wharf]

for players who don't know Tessa Ulti can stop the Omnius Void Tsunami Attack .

[dusk plover]

Not going to lie, gotta say I’m highly disappointed in this whole “catch up points” system especially with the [against all odds] achievement locking out all the stuff you can buy in the hero badge shop. @fierce light

I’m honestly going to be surprised if someone actually gets to 600 to unlock the flux jade

[fierce light]

Good to know

[fierce light]

I think someone did the math, might not be possible this season

[hearty rivet]

Yeah it totally looks one of those multi-season achievements. I'm just surprised that crystals are higher tier rewards in it than fragments (if I didn't read something incorrectly) 😅

[dusk plover]

Yeah just did it now. In the next 21 weeks you’d need to have atleast 27-28 catch up matches each week every week (given you have atleast 30 by the end of this week) to hit it on the last week of the season.

[dusk plover]

@fierce light have you tested if toxified and elemental lotus stack or not? As in procing a poison blast gives you 4 lotuses instead of just 2?

[fierce light]

Yeah it does, but Poison Blast normally gives 4 anyway. +2 for every mob in the Poison Pool.

[dusk plover]

Okay that’s what I thought. I mixed some stuff around to put both of those on a poison lotus build procing glast more

[thorn narwhal]

@hearty rivet @subtle bramble This is war!

[heavy gulch]

OPERATION WORK LOG #1

#😎┃game-news message

[fierce light]

Is Enigma Domain still not giving catch up points? Haven't managed to test it again.

[twin ledge]

Just tried it when I got on and it gave me nothing even after getting just 1 purple jade

[fierce light]

Okay, I probably should put that in feedback then

[twin ledge]

The drops not getting much better either it’s not even fun anymore

[spice canyon]

Spammed enigma till 700 fatigue, not a single catch up point

[fierce light]

https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1316970900712718377

[plain spire]

Did you kill all 9 boss?

[spice canyon]

Always

[plain spire]

Mine add catch up points but so little enigma 6 boss defeated

[fathom bobcat]

I got one once when got out after 6 bosses.

[fierce light]

6 bosses gave some? Interesting

[lone umbra]

Did you use elixir as well?

My gold key runs never dropped this much jades

[fierce light]

So doing 9/9 is bugged? Weird

[plain spire]

gold key + elixer

[fathom bobcat]

True. Instead of just basic drop improvement, for some reason developers made system that takes unfair drops into account and then gives out paltry compensation. I don't even know how that could have occurred to anyone.

[plain spire]

New enigma map is f annoying

[fierce light]

Yeah Enigma Peak might be a little tough just cause of the spawns

[naive vector]

@fierce light

help

does ''thunder mastery'' soul jade mean elemental burst?

[fierce light]

No?

That's a Thunderbolt

[naive vector]

what is considered an elemental burst

confusing language

[fierce light]

Poison Blast, Ice Blast, & Divine Thunder are Elemental Bursts. They are the explosions that occur on enemies.

[naive vector]

check ''defuse aegis break''

does this effect boost attack come to play after I counterstrike or I can skip the counterstrike and go straight to defuse to get the buff?

[naive vector]

does ''defuse ice flow'' count as elemental burst?

[plain spire]

No it's effect is not considered elemental burst

[fierce light]

It increases the amount of Aegis damage that your Counterstrikes do only. By around x2.2 iirc.

You get the attack boost just from Defusing, don't have to do the Counterattack.

[fierce light]

Defuse Ice Flow does a lot of Frostbite DMG. Which builds up Ice Blast quicker, but is not an Ice Blast.

[short wind]

hay guys where to farm shrouded jade?

@fierce light help

[fierce light]

It can drop from anywhere, just a really rare drop

[naive vector]

what happens the more ice wielding I have?

[short wind]

Because I'm having trouble getting into another attribute add in soul jade

[fierce light]

The more you have, the more damage Ice Blast does and how fast it activates

[naive vector]

If I don't have ice blast souljade, then it doesn't matter what wielding I have right?

[fierce light]

The wielding determines which elemental bursts you can do

The jades just amplify them

[naive vector]

but I dont have any elemental burst souljade, so wielding doesn't matter right

[fierce light]

Yeah it won't

[short wind]

How do i get 4 attribute in one soul jade?

[fierce light]

Shrouded Jades.

• 3 Shrouded Jades allow you to increase the number of Attributes on a Souljade by 1, up to a maximum of 4.

[short wind]

The only way?

[fierce light]

Yes, for now.

[short wind]

Just grind for shrouded jade?

[fierce light]

Yeah, you get some from the weekly quest every week, but also can be a rare drop.

[short wind]

Ok thanks you.

[naive vector]

@fierce light What benefit do I get the more counter trigger recovery I have?

[fierce light]

You won't have to stop to heal as often.

[naive vector]

I don't understand, can you give me an example of a scenario? in showdown

[spice canyon]

Rarely need to use armor powder if your counter recovery is high

[naive vector]

So counter recovery = higher defense?

[spice canyon]

Not really but you will sustain better

[naive vector]

so let's say I will not use counter at all during a boss fight. Then counter trigger recovery is useless right?

@spice canyon

[spice canyon]

Yes

[fierce light]

Some builds drain your HP overtime, like Thunder Scorch and Defuse Hydroflare. Having some recovery from your Attributes will make it so you don't have to back off to heal (as much) whenever you get too low.

I only really recommend Counter triggers Recovery for Thunder Scorch anyway though, since you can't guarantee a counter otherwise. Defuse triggers Recovery is usually more reliable in that regard.

[strong kiln]

Let's say this hypothesis scenario, you fighting a boss with your friend, you get hit and go down to low hp so you have to get out to heal and ask your friend to draw aggro. But with Defuse recover you will heal up everytime you defuse an attack, keeping you in a fight while still regain hp

The more you play the less you should let yourself get hit and the more you stick to the boss to both ditching out damage and avoiding certain attack from triggering so you don't really want to get out and heal too much

And like Dark Zer0 said, certain build drain your hp overtime which makes defuse recover (and in the case of thunder scorch, counter recovery) important to keep you in the fight

[naive vector]

@strong kiln can you helpm me run normal mode 2 times?

I used the item

[fringe quail]

anybody tryna run doom domain with me?

[strong kiln]

Sorry but not now, I'm not home rn and will not for 5 more hours

[fierce light]

Wdym by Doom Domain? Enigma Domain or the Doom missions?

[fierce light]

Gotcha, I can help you with them rq

[fringe quail]

I was able to solo one last week but the maps this week are too annoying to do alone

[fringe quail]

you got a third?

[turbid agate]

i can help too

[fringe quail]

bet

Im in Na, you guys?

[turbid agate]

same

[fringe quail]

my name in game is same as i here

[fierce light]

Same

One sec

[raw sinew]

Guys, in the showdown mode when playing Nirritis'Ruins solo, are the rewards less than when playing Nirritis'Ruins trios? or same ?

[spice canyon]

Should be the same I think

[fringe quail]

trios is slightly easier overall but loot is the same

[raw sinew]

thank you guys :3

[quaint girder]

24E needs to chill the fuck out

holy shit I tired Manitcore NS and my god you need perfect frames to make it work

does their test team just assume everyone has sub 10 ping and 240fps :V

Do they forget that everyone but Wuchen and Tessa have unreliable or difficult to pull defuses/chain defusing?

holy shite, its like they don't even play their own game

[plain spire]

new boss becomes crazier and crazier it's impossible with my skill level to solo manticore NS 😅

[fierce light]

Yeah Bough was a bit crazy already, Manticore is too with it's projectile parriables.

[spice canyon]

Too slow to parry, too small to reach

[hidden creek]

Tessa's defuse is unreliable af

Idk if it's a bug or what

[lone umbra]

i think it is a bug

while defuse i dont take dmg but not defuse strike too

[fierce light]

They gave her Defuse • Solve, despite it having the stance of Defuse • Combo.

So the initial start-up has seperate iframes that don't activate a defuse.

[strong kiln]

Still have no idea why decided to do that

That defuse animation doesn't really didn't communitcate that it has i-frames and consume stamina at all

[hidden creek]

and her chain animation of defuse into lmb charge into defuse is a huge bait because of it

cause you expected the defuse to hit to then lmb for dragonlike might

but the defuse missed on itself because it got iframes at the beginning

then when you lmb your character are not gonna cast dragonlike might (cuz the defuse missed), instead do a normal lmb attack and you're stuck on that lmb animation

and get hit

[lone umbra]

that happens to me most of times

i am like whaaat the heck

[hidden creek]

at this point just don't rely on that chain defuse
just defuse once n dodge

[lone umbra]

at this i stopped using tessa

[hidden creek]

well other than that dumb defuse and the dumb hitbox/melee aim assist on her aegis break, she's feel really nice to pilot

[strong kiln]

And her chain defuse is not that great at the same time lol, having to go into dragonlike might actually cause her to be vulnerable for a moment, against certain attack Cough cough Manticore helicopter attack cough cough to just nuke her if you try to chain defuse with it

Meanwhile Feria and Wuchen just casually press button to chain defuse

[zinc viper]

Me just using Kurumi since day 1

[hidden creek]

it's great if you got stable high fps and good ping and even then you have to be frame-perfect

so yeah it's not great

[lone umbra]

i mean yeah she is really good but with that defuse shit it is just annoying sometimes

[strong kiln]

Me with potato pc and 25% render scaling in showdown

[hidden creek]

feels nice to pull it off but the risk is too high

[zinc viper]

I miss your glitch

[hidden creek]

lego gaming

[strong kiln]

I'm waiting for next patch to get my hand on the testing again

[lone umbra]

that is never gonna happend to me.. got good/decent fps but no low ping

[shadow rivet]

what is manticore ns

why is the boss so hard

took me about 7 try

[hidden creek]

many mix-ups, hard to read animation, fast attacks

[shadow rivet]

pattern just so confusing

[zinc viper]

Manticore one shoted me with is Rotation ThunderPuke attack

[hidden creek]

jump and grapple

[bronze wharf]

did my moderadion is bug? i only have 75%

[hidden creek]

bruh this ring is broken

[cyan grove]

It literally OS everything lmao

[hidden creek]

just level 1 and it it so hard

[cyan grove]

Also, what's the best way to farm purple/gold jades ?
Second question, how to level up after hitting 1110 sense level?

[cyan grove]

I did a run with this + dmg on counter

I just had to counter any boss once to OS it

[hidden creek]

answer to both of ur questions is 9k enigma

[spice canyon]

yeah, spammed topaz and 0 catch up point

[bold ice]

that, the gust triggered on counter, and 12 thunder rings

youre looping counters until the boss is dead (which is 5 seconds)

[bold ice]

[hidden creek]

[bold ice]

yeah its so funny that the counter gust triggers it too

[plain spire]

sheer momentum + counter gust super OP

[cyan grove]

[lone umbra]

triple defuse with wuchen

[zinc viper]

I just bad at this game so I watch me die

[naive vector]

anybody on showdown right now?

[timid stirrup]

stuck at work for a couple more hrs

[teal adder]

A newbie question, Is Draco Stride important if you want to play with scorching?

I wanted to try a build out and dont know if Its gonna be bad because I wont have Draco Stride to "explode" the blaze damage from scorch
Its:
Thunderpull
Thunder Counter
Thunderproof
Mighty Lotus Counter
Lotus Counter
Ghastbloom

[bold ice]

i dont know jackshit about why builds are the way they are and just follow like a sheep but i believe its crucial to the build

so you can actually proc hydroflare

[teal adder]

hmm, which one would you suggest to leave out then? I thought about leaving Lotus Counter out if I have too, since it "only" makes lotus go around faster

[bold ice]

well like i said, im not really too knowledgeable, if you cant go in it for testing on your own maybe @fierce light can help you out with their spreadsheets

but lotus counter would be my guess too

[hidden creek]

it's a must

because scorching burn last for so long

w/o draco stride to proc it for hydroflare

you'll ended up overwrite the burn from scorching many times

result in dps loss

but the build you just posted

don't focus in scorching

it's standard thunder lotus so your prio stat would be windfall, divine thunder dmg and attack

[teal adder]

Is there a guide somewhere already from someone about it? :o

[hidden creek]

don't need one lol

most of us can tell how a build works from looking at the sj setup

[teal adder]

Thats all correct how I wrote it down?

[teal adder]

hmm right x) okok ^^

[hidden creek]

but if you want guide

https://dark-zer0.github.io/Showdown/index.html

here

iirc Dark finished them

so the page should have all the viable builds atm

[timid stirrup]

he removed skyfire build but that makes sense

[hidden creek]

😂 damn what a discrimination

[timid stirrup]

i was searching for it but figured it was considered obsolete even tho i think it might still b useful. how? i have absolutely no idea

[hidden creek]

i mean there's many ppl just play showdown for the season rewards alone

and to them skyfire is still solid

[timid stirrup]

true

[hidden creek]

but eh

if you compare it to current meta builds

actually not even meta, just standard hydroflare

it already fallen behind

[chrome seal]

Oh I'm top22 nice

[spice canyon]

on this build Element is the main source of damage, having scorching is a bonus

[teal adder]

you mean divine thunder, right?

[spice canyon]

yes

[fierce light]

I appreciate your sacrifice

[fierce light]

Procing it twice in quick succession will give you stack it, so 25% of 25% = 6.25%. Which is 1.875s.

[fierce light]

If you delay your counterstrike long enough, it'll give you full charge again

[hidden creek]

yeah didn't expect the dmg

it charges thunder bar so quick lol

[fierce light]

Scorching lasts for 18s. One of the main things that makes Thunder Scorch so strong is that you can get the damage of 2 full [Scorching] 12's off per Thunder Counter. However, without Draco Stride, you'd only be able to get one full [Scorching] off at the most due to overwriting each other.

[fierce light]

Skyfire's main selling point was it allowed burn to be decent for mobbing, but that's made irrelevant by any of the Lotus builds. For bossing, it falls behind quite a bit as well with all the nerfs to Blazing Flame & HydroFlare damage being boosted by Water and Fire Raged.

[granite marsh]

Regarding the burn dmg, I have scorchingx12 on another build without draco. Is the burn alone significant enough to justify the rare or would I be better off getting more windfalls

[bronze wharf]

oh ! that's why i was surprise

[fierce light]

4 Windfalls would be roughly +8% Attack (+20.16 Attack at Sense Level 1120) and +60% Elemental DMG. Unless you have Thunderpull and Thunder Counter though, there's no way to guarantee a parry for [Scorching] and even for parry chains, you'll be constantly overwriting it. I'd say you'd be better off going for Windfalls.

[chrome seal]

Anyone got the potential tree maxed yet?
Is it 40+9 from quests?
I just don't remember what's the max by levels without the bonus 9 from season quest gift

[hidden creek]

max lv is 40

but you get a total of 48 potential points

since you start from lv1 w/o any points, lv 40 gives you 39 points + 9 points from season challenge = 48 points total

[signal kite]

[chrome seal]

Ohh fair enough

Also another question
Does the glyph Rage/DMG +8% mean it increases the rage's dmg by 8% or accumulates the rage 8% faster when dealing dmg?

[hidden creek]

accumulates the rage 8% faster when dealing dmg

[round glacier]

Yo dark for good measures miasa is best 6th jade right?

Yo also mention solidi and hero elemental and so on the site lol

[fierce light]

If you're using a Moderation build, then yeah, the others have more merit on heroes with a weak ability or lack of Moderation.

[sullen pawn]

whats prefered in thunder lotus build, thunder mastery for the attack boost or the element jade

[amber terrace]

@fierce light can u translate this change to Manticore?

[fierce light]

2. Monster Adjustment

3. The lightning strike of [Scorpion Tail Lion] Stage 2 AoE (instantly moving to the middle of the scene to release lightning) has been changed from flying to knockback.

Not sure what that will look like.

[signal kite]

Intresting

[amber terrace]

[hidden creek]

so there's a chance to survive if you got hit by it

[fierce light]

Oh I just run away when it goes center. Didn't know it even knocked you up

[amber terrace]

i has santa's car

[naive vector]

That is a carpet

[amber terrace]

yup

[plucky fog]

damn

[amber terrace]

@fierce light can u translate?

[cyan grove]

wdym by 9k domain?

[hidden creek]

trios and 3 ppl using gold key

[cyan grove]

Ah

well

huh

I'm a solo player

[fierce light]

2. Optimized the problem that Scorpion will be lifted up and float in the second stage under extreme conditions.

[cyan grove]

So is gold key solos worth it?

[fierce light]

The effect of luck is pretty unclear still, especially with their being a catch-up system. It's currently bugged though, so getting runs with bad drops is still overly punishing.

Gold Keys do give you extra Souljades per Fatigue for running with them tho.

[bronze wharf]

wud !

[amber terrace]

[late raptor]

@amber terrace EN version

[amber terrace]

[cyan grove]

Let's suppose there is no bugs, is domain solo with gold key still the best option?

[thorn narwhal]

any tips to 100% heroes assemply? last time there was no time for last boss

[hidden creek]

i mean you don't have a choice anyway? if you only do solo

there's only 2 places for farming which is nirriti and enigma

[cyan grove]

Alright, and is it worth going for all the bosses in solos?

Because it’s pretty easy and takes around 10 minutes

To kill them all, depending on the map

[hidden creek]

i mean ofc, the fatigue consumed depends on the bosses you killed but 1 run need 1 key, always

and keys are limited

so you always want to kill all bosses if possible

[fierce light]

@cyan grove

[elfin spear]

Hello! I have a question I want to know what is the level to farm to increase the level of sense in conquest the fastest

[fierce light]

At a low level, Nirriti's Ruins. At a mid-high level you can farm Enigma Domain for the first 3 bosses until you're strong enough to handle more.

[elfin spear]

i am 813 for now

[hidden creek]

then

[elfin spear]

bahahah okay okay thats what i am doing then

but what is enigma domain ,

?

i mean i have my game in french so its maybe an other name in french

[hidden creek]

this

last on morus isle

but with enigma you need a somewhat proper builds with soul jades and potentials and everything

to start

while on nirriti you don't need them

[river canopy]

if I remember correctly, you need to advance in the story (Morus Isle Hard;NS) sufficiently before enigma gets unlocked

[thorn narwhal]

drops better this week yes?

[hidden creek]

nah it's still shit

or maybe my luck is

🥹

[elfin spear]

ooohhh i see yes i don thave the level i think

[languid spear]

how do i beat immovable nightscream solo? my sense level is 937 and im still having trouble beating it and cant find anyone to do trio immovable with

[thorn narwhal]

nirriti seems improved compared to last week / enigma, atleast for me

[thorn narwhal]

level up more and get proper build

[hidden creek]

and loot the money, use them to build alot of bells

and traps and stuffs

[languid spear]

i have a decent built and my sense level is 100 over the recommended ;-;

[thorn narwhal]

unlike normal/hard, nightsceram requires u to be be way more powerful than recommended so sense level alone isn't enough

[languid spear]

could you recommend a hero/build to use?

[thorn narwhal]

wuchen is solid for immovable, what build it depends on what u have

poison is beginner friendly

if not check any build from this guide https://dark-zer0.github.io/Showdown/

[fierce light]

Yeah they give you a good amount of the core jades for poison just for doing one match for 7 days.

[bold ice]

seemed more or less the same if not slightly worse to me

so youre probably just slightly more lucky

[signal kite]

fastest nightscream clear this season till now lol

[fierce light]

Nice work, and damage.

[hidden creek]

ok i got another decent ghastbloom

gonna get both ice and poison mod builds

prolly won't make a difference but if i ran out of thing to do imma get bored to death

SIX

MONTHS

LONG

SEASON

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaaa-gif-8259382018807366755

[signal kite]

ohh yea 6months plenty time to create builds

[hidden creek]

well i got 75% mod on both builds so basically they're now functioning

now just the stats rolling

[hushed meadow]

If only you knew how badly I needed this

I had an idea as to what the drop rates were but a general percentage is wonderful.

I didn't realize Enigma was still that goated. Would you say a full boss run for enigma is even worth it??

[river stratus]

the hard part is 2x rare

this could take 6 month for real

[bronze wharf]

what is going on in Nirriti , today teleported to the mirage realm 6 time .

[lone aurora]

Lmao

[thorn narwhal]

is sub zero there for the hit damage or faster accumulation

[fierce light]

Where?

[thorn narwhal]

ice builds i mean

since hit damage is useless right

[fierce light]

It's to activate Tundra Might and the Hit Damage applies to everything, but Burn.

[thorn narwhal]

uh thought it was like meele dmg or smth

in here why frostbit is raising too slowly almost not getting frozen at all

[fierce light]

That I'm not sure. But don't think it goes up that quickly

[fierce light]

36s the fastest I can manage atm on Poison Lotus.

[thorn narwhal]

he seem to be using the normal set
Successive Ice Blast, Frozen Blast, Elemental Lotus, Ghastbloom, Sub-Zero Seal, Tundra Might

[thorn narwhal]

very solid u somehow skipped animation

also 351% ice blast

[fierce light]

Yeah I had to avoid hitting Hun Dun directly in the face

[thorn narwhal]

ice lotus has wrong icons

[fierce light]

Hmm?

Oh Ghastbloom

I see

[thorn narwhal]

ghastbloom and the purples

[fierce light]

Oh wow

Good catch, thanks.

[thorn narwhal]

np, i double checked when i saw ghastbloom is missing there

[fierce light]

Was so focused on getting Elemental Lotus right, I missed the rest

[thorn narwhal]

yea happens dont worry

[buoyant notch]

What’s the fastest way to get sense level up

[dusk plover]

Is your Arcane Thunder the one with the moderations on it?

[buoyant notch]

did they nerf sense level jades you get from doing missions. Like if I was sense level 730 and did a mission that’s 790 would I get 790 sense level jades or 735?

[fierce light]

Nope, I got them on all the core jades. Just noticed it shortened Tarka and Feria's rotation using it.

[fierce light]

It's based off your level and runs completed, so skipping ahead will just make you level slower

[dusk plover]

Oh I was going to say probably would be quicker if you replaced that with element lotus unless that was what was making your skill come quicker

But it also depends on if you want a pure lotus with a poison benefit or poison with a lotus benefit build

[buoyant notch]

Bet bet thank you

[fierce light]

I'm not sure how much that would help. Maybe a couple extra Bloomblasts.

Don't think that would do more than how much Arcane Thunder helped.

[dusk plover]

Isn’t there only 2 thunderbolt boosts on potential tree on green and blue side not red? Oh wait you were doing a boss level. I was about to say ain’t no way Arcane Thunder helped out more than an extra 4 boomblasts every poison proc with mobs lol

[fierce light]

Yeah if there were mobs, I'd probably go back to using Miasma Drive

But Elemental Lotus would only summon 1 extra Bloomblast since Poison Blast bursts once. Pestilent Pool is what summons the most since it can apply [Toxified] twice per mob.

[naive vector]

yo

[dusk plover]

They both summon two? After the first poison blast you get 4 and the next poison blast proc that’s 4 bloomblasts and if you can time it correctly you can keep the blasts going as long as there’s mobs before the lotus blasts kill them

It’s how I got a 23 sec on the solar 2 at only 1108 sense

[fierce light]

Yeah Elemental Lotus is good without Poison Root

[dusk plover]

Mobs aren’t staying alive long enough to get extra toxified from pestilence and neither is noxious blast unless late enigma

So noxious kind of wasted unless you’re wanting just do full poison build

[fierce light]

Pestilent pool applies a stack almost as soon as the pool appears

[dusk plover]

Yeah they get the initial toxified but only goes up to 2 and they usually die before 6 to proc noxious blast

That’s why I said kind of wasted unless you’re wanting full poison build or doing late enigma since peak isn’t out yet

[fierce light]

Yeah Toxin Blast only really helps against the bosses and mobs with aegis.

But Toxic Lotus summons a Lotus Flower for every time that Toxified is applied.

[dusk plover]

Yeah so that element glastboom pestilence really the core ones you need for lotus poison purely mobbing

Then switch out between miasma solidification infectious touch

[fierce light]

• Poison Blast occurs.
• Noxious Blast activates for 1 stack of Toxified on target
• • +1 Lotus Flower
• Pestilent Pool summons a poison pool applying 1 stack of Toxified per second, up to 2 stacks per target within.
• • +2 Lotus Flowers per enemy within poison pool.
• Infectious Touch apples 2 stacks of Toxified on Aegis-Break/Defuse Counterattack/3rd Uncharged Attack
• • +1 Lotus Flower when landing the hit.

So that's a minimum of 4 Lotus Flowers/Bloom Blasts per Poison Blast.

[dusk plover]

Thunder scotch, basic hydroflare still best for bossing

[fierce light]

Element Lotus essentially does the same thing as Noxious Blast, but worse since it doesn't apply a stack of Toxified.

[dusk plover]

3 per poison blast, infectious touch doesn’t activate until after you stand in the pool long enough to active it then do that attack. You trade out 2 jades for 1 to get 4 still per proc then add two jades that just boost your poison damage/ damage over all. Non moderation or bad skill add a poison wield jade to proc more. Moderation with good skill add miasma and solid

[dusk plover]

Noxious only applies one toxified which is only 1 lotus onto an enemy on a poison proc, element gives you 2 per proc. The actual blast doesn’t occur until there’s 6 stacks on an enemy which wouldn’t really happen rn unless it’s late enigma or bosses. Again this is for mobbing not bossing where you can proc once and set off a long continuous chain instead of stacking a bunch of things on one beefy enemy

[fierce light]

Toxin Blast ≠ Elemental Burst
I don't see how it would generate 2 though unless the description has an error in it. So Elemental Lotus should at most be summoning one per Poison Blast.

Noxious gives +1 Stack of Toxified, which activates Toxic Lotus for +1 Lotus. So same job, but better than Elemental Lotus in pretty much every situation for Poison builds.

As far as Infectious Touch goes, it's not exactly a core jade, but it doesn't take long at all for it apply Toxified to yourself, especially if you're not using a Moderation build to proc Poison Blasts from a distance. I tried it in Immovable, it applies quick. So it's more so of a self-guard against it so you don't have to keep healing yourself overtime.

I agree that Hydroflare builds are still the best for bossing right now mainly due to their high base damage and relatively high multipliers they can reach.

[dusk plover]

When it first came out they were summoning 2 (toxified/elemental) did they already change that?

Or was i just getting some bug ig?

[fierce light]

When you don't have Poison Root (top-most glyph in potential tree), it is good, cause Blossom Blasts are strong enough to proc Poison Blasts on mobs

[dusk plover]

I was getting 4 a poison proc and only had element, toxified, pestilence

Had full red

(This was last week during solar 2)

[fierce light]

Yeah it was easy to start a chain reaction cause mobs would spawn in the Poison Pools

[dusk plover]

No none chain I would gain 4 blasts when procing poison on boss

Which reading that description I should of only had 2 then a Delayed third, but I had 3 with a delayed 4th

[fierce light]

No Noxious Blast?

It would take 3 Poison Blasts to do a Toxin Blast without Infectious Touch or Noxious Blast, so can't be that

[dusk plover]

Nope. I ran those three then miasma solid or a poison wielding jade

Yeah at the very beginning attacking the solo mob that came first and procing him I’d already have 4 lotuses

That’s why I was confused why no one else was doubling up on element and toxic because element could of been the only thing giving me 2 a proc

[fierce light]

Pestilent Pool example

Yeah, here I just abused the chain reactions from Pestilent Pool. Probably could've cleared it faster if I had Infectious Touch off for Miasma Drive.

[dusk plover]

See my problem was I would take forever on the boss because I only had those 4 plus only 130 poison even after all the red tree buffs. I cleared the mobs by 9-13 seconds because of all the chained booms

[fierce light]

Once I equipped Poison Root, my Blossom Blasts and Lotus Flowers started doing too much damage and not enough accumulation to really do chain reactions aside from poison pools.

The accumulation value decreases dramatically in exchange for a higher damage ceiling.

[dusk plover]

Yeah I had to keep my distance on attacks because if a lotus hit them then I wouldn’t be able to proc the poison anymore

Well I’m pooped if I don’t figure out how I was summoning/it stops doing 4 because my element has a windfall and moderation on it 🙃

[fierce light]

You can probably test it in Free Training.

You can have an infinite chain reaction without Poison Root, but with it, it's rather short lived.

[dusk plover]

Poison root adds 40% right?

I mean if I can get it to 300% id say trading out that extra 40 for an infinite chain for modding is worth it

[fierce light]

It converts your Lotus Flowers and Blossom Blasts to Poison Blast DMG as well. So they will scale with Poison Blast DMG attributes where they normally wouldn't.

[dusk plover]

Oh yeah well then I’d just need to equip a poison wielding jade too and replace maisma or solid

I’ve already got a max scorching build (only missing like 4% total max health and 1% attack) so I plan on using anything but that with bossing

For times atleast

[fierce light]

It's going to be hell when manticore is in Speedrun

Or even if they put it in Enigma Peak

[dusk plover]

If it’s like last season they will 🙃😓

We had normal and eerie wood phase in peak

[polar light]

The efficiency of using fatigue

[vivid merlin]

So its still best for the ice build? I mean the Element Lotus.

[fierce light]

Yeah it's the only good option for it, Lotus wise

[vivid merlin]

got a scorching in a poison SJ, should i change to moderation or windfall?

[fierce light]

Yup

[lucid ore]

Is Cyan-fang count as finisher for infectious touch?

[inner pebble]

im lost 🤣

[naive vector]

Doing Speed Weapon Exp Farming to level 25 fast. Need players interested; 2000 exp per 30 seconds for primary and 940 exp for secondary per minute.

[pale crystal]

which one will be good for speeding up potential? Nirriti's or Enigma domain

[chrome seal]

I tried both to compare and don't remember exact numbers but nirritis gives a little more potential xp

[pale crystal]

ok, tks

[hidden creek]

depends on the fatigue you spent

nirriti take 45 while enigma take 30

[rough gate]

I stormed up a build and cant test it, and DZ you know the numbers more than any1 could u give it a rundown ?

[woven ingot]

Does anyone knows how to get the last Lotus Anima on Nirriti? I finally got the terrible last secret anima asking you to be lucky with "the lost" curse, but still miss one anima in my collection.
I did a lot of run and never had that last Lotus anima, so I bet it's hidden behind some gimmick/mechanic.

[granite marsh]

is it Miasma - Lotus by any chance? If it is you need to select poison as your element

[fierce light]

You need Poison Blessing I for it to appear.

[woven ingot]

Oh! Probably, I nearly always choose Ice. Thanks both for your answers, i'll spam some games with Poison and see!

[past island]

Is this go with ATK6 POISON6 Mod4 Windfall8 right?

[fierce light]

Yes.

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-in-jail-funny-jail-angry-gif-16941040270556772897

prison

[rough gate]

so obvious the poison ghastbloom everyones all over. doesnt work good on solo bosses, its great on groups, I like it , but im going for something unique, what i got is more fun to play, brings last season and this seasons popular builds together. its challenging to hit the counters as well. the poison 6 slot build out rnow is cool but I (and assuming others) people want to blend the scorch and investments from their lightning jades into current season, so its not a total resta

[hidden creek]

if it couldn't outperform the current meta builds, no one cares tbh

[rough gate]

yes im familiar with ur personality tabbie

[hidden creek]

same

i'm familiar with how you're being pointless all the time

[rough gate]

its ok just block me tabbie like i did to you

[hidden creek]

😂

k

[woeful monolith]

12 scorching YAY....oh wait this my poison build.

[rough gate]

good example of what i was saying about blending scorching with new poison/ lotus souljades

its poison , or poison and lotus?

oh hey six, i played with you yesterday, its lotus too i recall

[plain spire]

I hate rng it's like reading your mind and will troll you, if you want scorching it gives you moderation/windfall now i want moderation/windfall it gives me scorching

[hidden creek]

they don't have to read our mind

they got data for popular builds so they know what rare we want on which jade

to lower the chance of getting that rare on that jade

[plain spire]

if that's the case fk them 🤣

[hidden creek]

idk but yeah sometimes it really looked like they're manipulating this

😂

[plain spire]

My thunder scorch still +9 scorching now im building moderation on my poison it gives 3x scorching

[hidden creek]

but tbf exceeding the maxed amount is no good either

so eh

[fierce light]

I don't think they're intentionally blending it. Just what they got unlucky with.

[hidden creek]

ig there's nothing else to blame but our luck

[heavy gulch]

MEME CONTEST EVENT -> #📆┃on-going-event message

[rough gate]

there, my names correct to ingame

nice fisher,

i have a decent blended , gonna keep it secret for a bit

moreso its complicated and isnt ready for criticism

and theres no testing those red stones hehe, once their in, theres no going back,

[plain spire]

Finally finish manticore NS sad thing is it is on my second account 😅

[granite marsh]

Where to get frozen blast?

[rough gate]

frozen blast, thats from the ice place

the tripple hitting blast?

[fierce light]

Matron of Yushan (Gelid Yushan in Holoroth) most likely.

[granite marsh]

I checked every mission but couldn't find it in the drop table, no idea how I got mine but its stats are garbage

[rough gate]

oh its the 2nd era ice

ud think i didnt even check,

[granite marsh]

This one

[trim token]

why does it say scorching 15 if It caps at 12?

[hidden creek]

you could go over but it has no effect

[trim token]

:(

[rough gate]

that ones really not that great, but if u dont care i can look for u if u say pls

[trim token]

well -1 flux jade for me ig xd

[rough gate]

haha i did aquick check couldnt find it, check the narkapedia

[hidden creek]

if it doesn't shows in stages drop then it has the chance to drop from any stages

[rough gate]

run 15, ur a badass

[fierce light]

If you've gotten at least one before it no longer tells you where that Souljade drops in the Narakapedia anymore. Honestly, shouldn't be like that.

[hidden creek]

yeah that ''feature'' is dumb ah

[rough gate]

heres a do u know ur naraka question. no looking it up what showdown souljade no longer can gained, that was a popular endless spin dance viper ning

[fierce light]

Blue Moon, but it's still in-game, it's just Cyan Fang now

[rough gate]

could of gave the others a chance to answer =)

[hidden creek]

@granite marsh actually it's really weird, frozen blast doesn't shows up anywhere

[granite marsh]

yeah thats what i'm saying

[hidden creek]

even on the ''get by playing any match on any level'' category

[granite marsh]

But it definitely drops cause I found one this week

[hidden creek]

if it doesn't shows on stages drop then it should be here

but it isn't

🤔

weird

[granite marsh]

Magic

[fierce light]

It would be under the Nightscream drops I think

[hidden creek]

aha

[rough gate]

ok im gonna test it dark, its been awhile immgonna see if ur right

[fierce light]

Sure it's not in Holoroth though?

Oh wait, it was added after Successive

[rough gate]

yes 2nd era ice

[hidden creek]

so this jade drop is exclusive to nirriti ns and legend 😂

no main stages that drops it

and it also doesn't falls under the ''can drop from any stages'' category

[rough gate]

ijust look sczwt its in there somewhere

[hidden creek]

that's why it's not there

[fierce light]

Might be in chapter 3-4.

[hidden creek]

nah it's not there

[fierce light]

So weird

[hidden creek]

or it doesn't shows that it drops on stage selection, visual/UI bug or whatever

[rough gate]

its probly one of those 1st time u pass it awards

[trim token]

Do we already know what are the best builds for this midseason are?

[granite marsh]

Man getting it to drop is hell then

[hidden creek]

kinda

[trim token]

Would you enlighten me?

[hidden creek]

well rest assure that thunderscorch and ice/poison lotus mod are good

the thunder counter-ice-lotus build ppl says it gonna be the one dominate but

it's so hard to get

so i can't really say

also depends on the character you using

[trim token]

What does it consist of?

[hidden creek]

this, aka the ''444'' build (cuz the build require 4 mods 4 scorchings 4 windfalls to outperform a 4 mods 4 windfalls ice/poison lotus build), also beware that this build works best on yueshan, other characters not so much

[rough gate]

frozen blast is yushan shadow set apparently and most likely a 1st time drop from nightmare

[south tusk]

2 Max state with a rare

[hidden creek]

💀

[rough gate]

nice run, 0 catrch up points, i guess that means u kicked ass and got rewarded with lotsa loot too

despite beeing totally different descriptions cyan and the fabled bluemoon are so different but, the endless dance was the requirement and she can do it, allthough for bonus bluemoon can do flat, vertical, vertical, flat, and cyan doesnt.. how odd so Darkzero is correct its bluemoon

theres another one that was removed, but i deleted it before i realized it stopped dropping... help?

scwzt most of the hard drops you may get from the random souljade rewards, dont stress it too hard

[naive vector]

doing speed weapon exp farm in showdown. I need 2 players.

[tacit nest]

need one more scorching for my thunderscorch build

i need it on draco

do i just keep recasting till i get it or what?

[hidden creek]

if your draco doesn't have a rare stat on it already, yeah

[tacit nest]

i just got moderation

but ion need that

get rid of mod, then keep recasting?

[hidden creek]

roll the mod to a maxed/close to max stat

then recast the lowest attribute

[tacit nest]

its already 20%

wym lowest?

[hidden creek]

for example if i don't need mod on this jade, i'll recast the mod opt until i got a high value opt, preferably maxed (armor +200 for example)
then i'll recast the ''increase dmg to boss'' opt to a rare, cuz it's the lowest opt (4.3/5 while poison blast dmg is 29/30 and attack is 4/4)
then let's say i got the rare i wanted, i'll recast the armor +200 opt to increase dmg to boss and i'll get maxed value which is 5% dmg to boss, or if i haven't got the rare when i reached recast pity then i can just straight up select the +200 armor to 5% dmg to boss

[granite marsh]

Why does this feel more efficient than just rerolling the stat value

[hidden creek]

because it is...
well sometimes you have no other choices but value recast, but if you can avoid it then do so

[woven ingot]

Reading between the lines: if you have a rare opt on a jade, you can't get a second one with random rolls (Or at least that the chance gets way lower than getting your fist rare)?
And you should use the red item to add a second rare attribute on that jade?

[hidden creek]

yes

[woven ingot]

Oh ok, I didn't saw anything in game about that. Thanks that will save me for losing many fragments for nothing.
But if you reroll the rare attribute itself, doesn't it free the "space" and let you have a chance to get another rare attribute?

[hidden creek]

yes

the rare could turn into a new rare, if it's the only rare on the sj

[woven ingot]

Ok, but you can't reroll a basic attribute and hope for a second rare. Good to know thanks!
Makes it even more terrible that those red items are so rare.

[hidden creek]

yeah that's why you ONLY use flux for 2nd rare, never the first rare

[tacit nest]

gotchaaa

if i was to reroll mod till scorching

itd take eons

thanks

[hidden creek]

it's not just the chance, you also wasted the oppoturnity to make your sj to 4 maxed opts if you do so

[fierce light]

Yeah focus on your rares before increasing values

Especially for builds where rares greatly amplify their damage, such as Scorching builds or Moderation builds.

[woven ingot]

I got an ok-ish Ice lotus build. All with at least a rare attribute on each, stats all above average. Nothing awesome, but it's working decently.
I can't decide if I should go on with that build, perfecting it, or let it as it is and move on the hydroflare one. I got pretty much nothing done on the hydroflare build, so it will take ages. The thing is that hydro build seems to be like twice more efficient than anything existing.
So what do people who do in that case? Perfecting the ice build, or starting to work on the hydroflare?

[hidden creek]

standard hydroflare or thunderscorch?

if standard hydroflare it's not worth it, if thunderscorch you might need to think twice because if you can't get 12 scorchings on it then it's also not worth it

[woven ingot]

The thunderscorch, the one toping every ranking

[hidden creek]

meh ranking atm is unreliable

few days ago it's mod ice lotus which are on top

[quick magnet]

well well

[tacit nest]

So in this case. Which one would I roll for the rare?

[woven ingot]

Yeah there is that too. So probably staying on the ice and se how it goes

[hidden creek]

yeah that's what i would do too

[hidden creek]

you can just calculate it yourself

[hidden creek]

health 5.6/15
attack 1.2/4
dfs trigger recovery 70/200
ice blast dmg 7.5/30

https://percentagecalculator.net/

then you go here

type in the number

[thorn narwhal]

i bet zero does it on his head

[hidden creek]

bro literally hooked into nasa computer

https://tenor.com/view/dune-mentat-thufir-thinking-thufir-hawat-gif-24418611

^ literally him

[tacit nest]

you can earn jades with rare attr on them??

[hidden creek]

yes

300 hours of showdown i only got it once though

[fierce light]

Just divide the denominator by 10 then divide the numerator by that quotient.

[hidden creek]

you lost me at the denominator

[thorn narwhal]

[tacit nest]

any tips on immovable ns

shi so annoying

[hidden creek]

it's literally just a statcheck stage since you're not even the target

[fierce light]

I reckon you could use the poison jades they gave for free to clear it

[tacit nest]

bet i got those

[fierce light]

Just make sure you grab Hydro's Bound on the potential tree

[thorn narwhal]

honestly even with hydro's bound characters without an ability are still underperforming

[fierce light]

If they made Solidification a multiplier like Tundra's Might, it would be great.

[hidden creek]

yeah it's mod season

how do i play wuchen now

[fierce light]

Thunder Scorch pretty much

[hidden creek]

BUT I WANT MY LOTUSES

[fierce light]

He doesn't want to be close enough for the Lotuses cause of his Aegis-Break

[hidden creek]

b-but my lotuses... 🥹

[fierce light]

So it's a bit of a dilemma

[turbid agate]

Wait. So is this jade not good for poison lotus or am I lost?

[fierce light]

It is good in certain situations. But it's just small enough where it doesn't pass certain thresholds

That Tundra Might does

[stoic heron]

Hey people i've got a question. I can't seem to understand why This build is so good in Abyss. I've gotten the souljades and alot of the rare ones aswell but it does not feel nearly as strong as the poison build? Can someone explain why it is so good?

[fierce light]

It's the Thunder Scorch build. It's primarily doing damage from the [Scorching] attribute, which applies a massive Burn on your next melee attack following a successful parry. Thunderpull and Thunder Counter give you more opportunities to parry, while Thunderproof allows you to get more than one [Scorching] procs off.

[stoic heron]

So do i focus on putting my points into Thunder or Ice under potential? I don't see how it can do that big of a dmg but i guess i better try it out some more to get a better understanding of the build

[woven ingot]

You need at least 9 points in scorching (from the rare attribute) for that build to be doing good. That's why any other build youre playing right now seems to be better. That build relies nearly entirely on Scorching attribute.

[fierce light]

It's a Burn based build, so you want to go for Blazing Flame and Water and Fire Raged on the potential tree.

[stoic heron]

Arrhh okay i have 6 points currently. So i need 1 more [Scorching] Attribute to make the build work propperly

[fierce light]

6 points means you're doing half the damage essentially.

[hidden creek]

also you need to know the gameplay

[woven ingot]

With 6 you can kinda try the build, to see if the gameplay fits you (having to counter the thunder in addition to normally play the game can be painful). But you will clearly miss in damage.

[hidden creek]

of the build

[woven ingot]

As Tabbie said, it's a special build. You need to dodge to proc soaked on the target and apply you burns after having countered your own lightning. All that while already trying not to be killed by the boss. It's clearly not as intuitive and smooth as many other builds I'd think ^^

[thorn narwhal]

no idea how u never seen it while being old player

[stoic heron]

Lol i've seen it many times, but i've never spend time to sit down and think about it xD

I see, well it shouldn't be a problem then, The only thing i need should be the last Scorching attribute then. I appriciate you guys help ^^

[stoic heron]

Also how do you know i'm an old player? xD

[hidden creek]

ONE MOARRRRR

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaaa-gif-8259382018807366755

[thorn narwhal]

seen u around as long as i been here

[stoic heron]

YOU CAN DO IT TABBIE!!!!!!!

[fierce light]

HydroFlare builds pretty much cap their tree at 38

[stoic heron]

Fair enough.

[hidden creek]

why is this glowing

[thorn narwhal]

so is 2000 fragments enough to 100% a build

[hidden creek]

depends on the soul jades you start with

also if you're lucky

yeah, maybe

[thorn narwhal]

not a single good stat core jade so i guess nope

[fierce light]

1400 was enough to get single rares on all 6 Jades

[hidden creek]

idk about that, i spent 1200 and got 3

[fierce light]

Whether they're the right ones differs too

[spice canyon]

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Nekonin leveled up!

[thorn narwhal]

its still insane how u maxed a jade with just 120, imagine building a full build with just 720

[fierce light]

Yeah ima do my recasting in bulk from now on

[woven ingot]

Is it better to have two Windfall on the same Jade, meaning do they kinda amplify each other? Does one Jade with two Windfalls and one Jade with 2 Moderations give the same result as two Jades with one Windfall and one Moderation?

[thorn narwhal]

will be the same yea they dont multipli

[woven ingot]

Ok thanks, glad it is that way, it lowers the RNG.

[fathom bobcat]

Where half is useless on this build

and you need max it

and...

[fathom bobcat]

Only if you're god of luck or cheater. If we say about good build, of course.

I've spent about 2.5k fragments already and still haven't finished one base build, despite already having a good base.
Heck, today I spent 100 recasting for +12 while trying to boost luck from 450 to 500.

I was lucky because in Season 1.5 once spent 100 recasting and got +0%.

Yeah, I got 6 rare stats when makes ~1000 recasting and you know what? 5 scorching, 1 windfall, and 1 moderation when I need windfall exclusively. I got 6 shards and put them in as second rare stats, what did I get? 2 scorching and 1 windfall.
And I can't destroy jades where scorching garbage showed up, because otherwise they are good and I'll die from grind trying to get something like that again.

[thorn narwhal]

yeah its pretty stupid, when u feel all the effort u put in is gone in vain

got no luck, no cheats, no devs on our side so gg

[fathom bobcat]

That said, you're 5 matches in row in Nirriti getting 1 purple jade or only blue ones, then...
Ah yes, compensation in the form of 14 fragments, eeeh.

I dunno, sometimes PvE in Naraka looks like perverted self-mockery in an attempt to get nothing.

[thorn narwhal]

yeah..

as if replaying the same 2 stages over and over for months wasn't enough

[woven ingot]

They really pushed a RNG a bit far. The compensation is a nice little addition, but it's only a few shards every 1/4th of your whole fatigue.
Why is there a fatigue system to begin with? Pvp yu can literally play 24/7 no problem, but PvE you're limitated. When the PvE is so much reliant on grinding and RNG I don't get it.

Make it at least that when we use the red Flux Jade we can choose our rare attribute. It's not like those things as raining from the heavens, and we'd have one every 1-2 days, they are awfully rare to get.

[fathom bobcat]

Yeah, I still don't understand how "red" item can be randomized and able to ruin build.

[quick magnet]

very rarely though! one every season or something

[woven ingot]

If they were for sell for gold I would understand they want us to spend more, but afaik it's only rewards, so no money gained from them.

[hidden creek]

3 mods 2 windfalls 🥹

my ocd is killing me with the dmg to boss and poison blast dmg value

[fierce light]

I don't really have a problem with the fatigue system, but rather how long the missions take for so little gain. Especially towards the end of your fatigue.

[fierce light]

You're about where I'm at then, just 1 less mod

[hidden creek]

maybe i'll just leave the poison mod as it is and start working on this, i have a feeling this will be decent even w/o 12 scorchings

[sullen pawn]

the ice lotus are prettier

[turbid agate]

Ah so what should we be running as that last jade instead? For poison lotus.

[muted cloak]

why is the top rank use ice wielding on thunder perk?

[fierce light]

You have plenty of options, Miasma Drive gives a decent amount of extra attack. Arcane Thunder can help when bossing to proc a little faster, but not as much against mobs. Element Jade gives you an attack with a good amount extra accumulation and DPS for that attack.

[fierce light]

To generate Thundershock from Thunderpull faster by having 0 Thunder-Wielding. Allowing you more counters to activate [Scorching] from.

[sullen pawn]

the attributes of this would be health and ice dmg? sounds like a fun build

[plain spire]

My thunder scorch build seems to be locked at 2120 health even if i equip copper ward, i have all 6 jade with +15% Health and 3 jade with 50% windfall

[fierce light]

Blazing Flame makes it not increase. 2120 is the cap for being Sense Level 1120.

[plain spire]

I see, i was watching YT and his health is almost 6000 and comparing mine i was confused there.

[rough gate]

sometimes u have to go out and select the character, and go to join and right up to joining the level, and recheck it there

i have blazing flame on and healths normal

im not sense 1120 though

[fierce light]

That's weird, it should just leave you with your base health when you equip Blazing Flame since it converts all Health % bonuses.

[rough gate]

oh my bad (Defuse- flaming blade) i had in mind

maybe hesa Cheata!

na is so empty rnow

[lapis sundial]

Does anyone have a bit of free time rn to pretty much carry me through MH nightscream?

My feria and Tessa are at 1116 sense and my potential lvl is 35

[rough gate]

WHATR SERVER

[naive vector]

I need help farm weapon exp

[thorn narwhal]

is this only applied by omens and yushan attacks?

or what external effects

[restive wraith]

anyone have lotus poison build's potential? I'm thinking to get this after getting all the poison stuff, is it good?

[thorn narwhal]

u got it right

[restive wraith]

noice, thank you

[thorn narwhal]

np, epiphany would be ur last potential if u didn't figure already

oh yeah nvm u have it hovered lol

[restive wraith]

yea I think it is the most reasonable onee to take

[thorn narwhal]

most likely the only option since ice one is only for ice xd

[surreal saffron]

from defuse thaw or ice break; assuming you dont have sub zero seal equipped, as long as you arent standing on ice, your freeze bar will slowing decrease, that doesnt count

[thorn narwhal]

ah gotcha, sad to see it retired

pls tell me i can replace frozen blast with this, not another good stats wasted

[amber terrace]

No

Depths Blast need Yushan Shadows jade

[topaz goblet]

Anyone playing showdown? Been waiting for litteraly 20 mins 7 times

[thorn narwhal]

men

[twin ledge]

It’s still best for thunder builds tho

The main thunder build

[thorn narwhal]

yea but sadly i think it doesn't stand out with other builds

[plain spire]

Yueshan with 75% mod above is fast ultimate

[thorn narwhal]

u can spam general's f

what was ur scorching best time

[polar light]

naah u have to F when frost icon near boss health disappear XD

to proc chain the boss faster

[polar light]

haven't played with scorching yet against him

maybe i will try later

[thorn narwhal]

i see i see ty for tip

[polar light]

ur welcome

[polar light]

yeah u can 4 times use the skill instead of 3

[thorn narwhal]

@polar light u gonna try the lotus ice counter one too?

[polar light]

nahh i don't think it is strong as (thunder scorch, ICE MOD lotus and poison MOD lotus )

[long loom]

whats the ice lotus build

[thorn narwhal]

interesting, lotus ice it is then

[thorn narwhal]

Ice Lotus:
Successive Ice Blast, Frozen Blast (optional), Sub-Zero Seal, Tundra Might, Elemental Lotus & Ghastbloom.
x4 [Moderation], x8 [Windfall], Ice Blast DMG, & Attack.
x12 [Windfall], Ice Blast DMG, & Attack

[long loom]

hmmm, ok, ok

whats your take on poison mod lotus

ive been experimenting

just wondering what others are doing

does ice lotus seem better?

[thorn narwhal]

so far it is in the lead

[long loom]

ive been waiting 6 seasons for ice to be viable again

jades? on paper i thought poison seemed better

for poison?

[hidden creek]

it's on pin

[long loom]

ty

[rough gate]

ha we just beat the doom lightning guy with a kurimi getting 7 ult heals and as viper 8, she musta had same idea

[fathom bobcat]

There are two jades, one reduces frostbite from parry, other from defuse.

[rough gate]

i see the enigmas most played shifted torwardds what i kinda wanted to do, bout mixing previous lightning pull/counter , but i didnt exspect to see a blend, i kinda thought it wouldnt be played, shows the vastness of quality builds outside there and thats good for the games players

[long loom]

yushan shadows counts too, i think

[fathom bobcat]

Does this apply to just one lotus, or all of them? So is bonus limited to 10% or not?