👾┃showdown

[tacit nest]

i couldnt even beat it on hard bro

im learning how to counter and CS it

[plain spire]

classic poison on hard works or the armor set souljade

[tacit nest]

i dont have those build

i might have souljades for it but dont got them upgraded

[plain spire]

classic armor sj is default free loot from morus isle quest you dont have that?

[tacit nest]

only got three of em

made mistake of last season deconstructing them

thot i didnt need em

[fierce light]

https://youtu.be/Y4-H-YYt7SM

[signal kite]

This is cooked

[tacit nest]

im afraid you you cooked @fierce light

you cooked hard

[signal kite]

https://youtu.be/kmn36h17ez4?si=Cq7MMNPqGe9HF5NJ

Is toxic build faster than this ?!

[fierce light]

👀 will have to see

[fathom bobcat]

Decided to finally put together luck build - got 4 scorching and 1 moderation before I got 2 windfall.
Goodbye to my more than month of farming in the form of little over thousand recasting.

[tribal venture]

how to clear this

i dont see any daily quests

do i have to buy shoowdoown bp?

[plain spire]

weekly quest

nitiri quest reset every week

[tribal venture]

i see

okay

thanks

[fathom bobcat]

New system is also interesting - instead of not making unfair drops, developers introduced “compensation” for bad drops, which doesn't compensate for anything. Well, the whole point is only to achieve and unlock PvE items for silk?

[fierce light]

Yeah don't think that was worth unless you have a maxed dps build already.

[fathom bobcat]

I already have +- normal ice with lotuses, and I do my luck on poison. Still 6 months of no content ahead, so....

[granite marsh]

Ice Mod Yueshan is surprisingly good

[wind light]

is this good souljade

[exotic solstice]

Nah, its trash

[wind light]

+1 fragment lol

[round glacier]

Never knew that one existed lol

[subtle bramble]

legit getting scorchings everywhere when trying to get windfall spent all my fragments

i have enough moderation on my poison build now and i decided to use a flux jade on one of my souljades that has moderation in hopes for windfall...gave me moderation again

windfall hates showing up

[strong kiln]

@fierce light just realized I can defuse the self freeze ice effect

I feel stupid

[hidden creek]

yeah if you got yushan shadows equipped

[strong kiln]

Oh... that explains a lot

[round glacier]

I just use cinderfrost for now

[fierce light]

Really bad since it doesn't even heal armor and you can do the same effect, but better with an attribute

[turbid scroll]

can anyone help me to get this build in english XD?

[hidden creek]

he shows it in english at the end of the vid

[bronze wharf]

look at the end of the video bro .

[turbid scroll]

It only appeared for a second , thanks btw guys

[fierce light]

Yeah they buffed both his ability and his ability in his ultimate by quite a large amount.

[round glacier]

Man killed manticore on nightscream with viper

Tnx for the vid dark

Lighting easier to deal with then I thought

[tardy vigil]

Sooooo what's good with the new potential and build shit

[fierce light]

Green = Thunder/Burn
Red = Poison
Blue = Ice/Hydroflare

Blazing Flame + Water and Fire Raged = Hydroflare build

[river stratus]

[limpid pecan]

pillow hime put them to sleep

[fierce light]

Poison Crossbow?

[river stratus]

yes, swap miasma with toxic crossbow

[fierce light]

Clever

My charged attacks were killing them too fast to proc the poison with Miasma lol

[river stratus]

scorching i guess help at the end

[tardy vigil]

And what seems to be the best rn? I feel like the new stuff is quite crazy, but I'm not sure

[fierce light]

Thunder Scorch is still seeming like it'll be the strongest for bossing, especially solo cause you can farm parries.

In terms of elements, idk yet, but Ice is has a rapid activation rate, Poison can do chain reactions and Thunder has the longest range.

[fierce light]

It's the PvE gamemode of Naraka. You don't fight any other players, but rather monsters and bosses. Souljades are extra potent in this gamemode and each hero has one melee and one ranged weapon they can use.

[pulsar grove]

I just tried the first mission of showdown

and dayum, the boss was actually just a trash mob acting like one

[hidden creek]

your point being?

[quaint girder]

I think he's talking about the New Tutotial where ||Viper faces her "mother" but it turns out to be just a normal Ent.|| It was a delight for me too because I was like, there was no way they put ||that ridiculously hard boss for newbies to fight in a tutorial.||

It's more of a dang, I didn't expect that moment.

I also liked how ||Omnious was pissed at the Ent for basically being useless|| and it leads up to the very first mission against Omnius Fire.

[hidden creek]

oh there's a new showdown tutorial?

[quaint girder]

Yes, go to Morus Isle > Normal

There should be something called "It Begins" or something like that.

[chrome seal]

So I'm abusing the cyan fang on viper cause she has it continuously and it's pretty good to both cause poison blast fast but also heal cause am not good enough with defuses.
My question is what is better in terms of DMG output and by how much approximately if you compare spamming it on left click vs ghastbloom?
On the miasma+inf touch+pestilent+noxious and toxified lotus build

[drifting lance]

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[quaint girder]

You get a free Sap. It's meh for vets since it's only 1 fragment, but for newbies its actually really strong and helpful.

[quaint girder]

It's actually pretty good, it's reminds me of DbD's tutorial. It's super straightforward and just gets to the core mechanics of the gamemode: counter, defuse, and aegis break.

Still doesn't help with the massive Sense leveling curve though. Niritis makes it more accessible now, but Niriti's grind is so tedious and will make a lot of people quit.

[fierce light]

You'd probably want to replace Miasma with Ghastbloom in that build. It hits pretty hard, like about as hard as Arcane Thunder at base, but it can scale with Poison Blast DMG.

[fierce light]

It refuses to give me that map, but I did manage 6:05 on the Shipwreck one.

[chrome seal]

Thanks! You so much help

[signal kite]

Ohh damn

U used toxin I guess

[hidden creek]

so 6 mins is considered fast?

[fierce light]

Idk it was my first run on it

[signal kite]

Lol

[fierce light]

I'll try one more tho

Wasting keys at max fatigue 😆

[hidden creek]

lol dw you're not wasting anything

[fierce light]

Yeah Toxic with Tessa. Cause Yueshan's Aegis-Break sucks

[signal kite]

Haha keys are easy to get from nirriti now UwU

[fierce light]

True

[hidden creek]

brown key drops is non exist

[fierce light]

I've done like 5 runs, got shipwreck once and that desert map 4 times..

[hidden creek]

yeah it keep giving me the new map

sheez

[quaint girder]

Brown Keys are functionally worthless rn, I hope they buff something to make Enigma Worth it.

It's a really fun mode, but I just can justify burning fatigue on it until I finish all of Niriti's quests

[hidden creek]

yeah unless you got gold keys, if not enigma is just so sht

it's super weird

like, they said gold key give 3k luck

but i run enigma with brown key and like 6k luck on my jades, the drops still so sht

compare to just using a gold key and 0 luck on jades

[fierce light]

Finally got the map, but then my internet wants to lag the crap out of me

Ima just try again on reset to level my sense.

Wait what, I thought Boosted Servers allowed bigger uploads

[signal kite]

Boosted account*

[fierce light]

Video is super compressed, but this was the lag it decided to do:

[hidden creek]

can you show me your stats

[fierce light]

Just tested this, it's a x1.4 multiplier instead of adding the damage. So Lotus builds have quite a bit more damage to go.

[pulsar grove]

the campain is good for now
I'm glad my main is playable in showdown

[quaint girder]

Compared to Hydroflare or just in general?

[hidden creek]

imagine it applies to blossom blast too

[fierce light]

Dunno, at the very least I think it's competitive with the Defuse Hydroflare build.

[hidden creek]

i think toxin lotus got lower dmg compare to ice lotus but higher aegis break power

[fierce light]

Haven't tested the Aegis-Damage but yeah Ice has a slightly higher multiplier for it's Lotuses.

Lotus Impact • Poison: 105% of your Attack
Blossom Blast • Poison: 420% of your Attack
Lotus Impact • Ice: 112% of your Attack
Blossom Blast • Ice: 497% of your Attack

Very weird multipliers for them tbh

[hidden creek]

[fierce light]

I'll have to retest cause there's a lot of attack and dmg bonuses I might've missed

[hidden creek]

do you think it's worth to get 4 mod on this setup?

[fierce light]

Yeah that's the setup I'm using

[hidden creek]

yeah but i mean it's worth to get 4 mods or just windfall all the way?

[fierce light]

Yeah that's what I have I mean

4 mods

[hidden creek]

oh

okay

i never play mod build before lol

but i got 3 mods on this setup, somehow

so

[fierce light]

The abilities pretty much allow you to skip two charged attacks on bosses and instantly procs on mobs if they survive it

Oh 75% is only necessary for bossing, 100% more helpful for mobbing.

[hidden creek]

oh huh

[fierce light]

Puts 30s cooldowns at 7.5s remaining, which lines up around the time you want to use it against the boss.

[hidden creek]

so 75% is fine for, say i'm the 2nd person bossing on enigma peak?

[fierce light]

Yup

[hidden creek]

alright tq

[fierce light]

It can be more comfortable since you don't have to stress using it too early

[hidden creek]

ah yeah i ran into that too

gotta find the perfect rotation huh

now all i have to do is to get a good ghastbloom to start rolling

[fierce light]

Good luck

I just went ahead and worked on my garbage one, getting them all to 50% attribute value

[hidden creek]

🥹 i kinda wasted alot of my resources on the ice thunder lotus build

but eh 6 months long season

[fierce light]

I didn't get around to testing that one, but is it underperforming?

[hidden creek]

they say that build is the ''4 windfalls 4 scorchings 4 mods'' build

so yeah

you gotta have crazy luck, or lots of resources, well probably both

else you better off running ice/poison lotus

[fierce light]

Ah makes sense, that would be crazy

[hidden creek]

yea that build is prolly the new strongest bossing build but the requirements is even crazier compare to last season scorching windfall

also even harder to play since you don't run thunderproof

[fierce light]

Ah true, can't get 2 hits of Scorching off

Hopefully it's not too far ahead of other builds if it is the strongest.

[subtle bramble]

same all my fragments and crystals gone just to keep getting 0s while recasting value

[fierce light]

I'm really sad they didn't add that pity

[subtle bramble]

so sad they didn't add the pity system

hahaha yeah

well hopefully they're working on it

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[hidden creek]

@fierce light what do you think about running stormstride sword instead of miasma drive, green tree take thunderous power instead of epiphany? well on character with multiple hit on their aegis break skill ofc

i just feel like that 25% attk boost is quite underwhelming

[zenith thorn]

Wie verbinde ich naraka und discord???

[azure depot]

Hey there! 👋
It seems there is no characters on this server yet 😓
Reach out to the owner or the bot masters of this server to invite them here.

[fierce light]

On Tessa for example, adding Stormstride Sword would boost the DPS of her Charged Vertical → Aegis-Break by 23.2% (when accounting for Aegis-Break Rage) while increasing accumulation value by 30.3%.

• On Wuchen, this would be a ~7% DPS increase for his Charged Horizontal → Aegis-Break combo. Not enough extra accumulation to proc it earlier either.
• On Feria, it would be a 23.5% DPS increase for her Charged Vertical → Aegis-Break combo.

Thunderous Power would increase that DPS gain by 10%, but keep in mind that elemental damage will make up the majority of your damage rather than your melee attacks.

[hidden creek]

thanks

imma try it when i got the full build

both my miasma drive and stormstride sword got same stats

so it should be clear

[thorn narwhal]

what is the ice thunder lotus, got any footage for it?

[hidden creek]

this

the build principal is still the same with other lotus builds which is focusing on summoning as much lotuses as possible

thunderpull & counter for mighty lotus counter, 4 parries each time = 4 lotuses
successive ice blast for elemental lotus, 1 ice blast becomes 3 = 3 lotuses
then ghastbloom will cast blossom blast

scorching is still used on this build cuz you don't really have any other way but to go water and fire raged on blue tree

[thorn narwhal]

yea was about to say why scorch is needed

that's interesting

[hidden creek]

this build is busted on yueshan

[thorn narwhal]

I wanna see it in action u record any?

[hidden creek]

well if you could even manage to get the full build

[hidden creek]

nah mine still not finished

but i think i got the footage

actually someone already posted it above i think

[thorn narwhal]

oh will check

[fierce light]

Can't seem to find the video

[hidden creek]

found it

one sec

[fierce light]

Don't even know where I found it said we're getting Recast Value pity

[thorn narwhal]

looks decent but I assume that's still not max dmg possible?

[hidden creek]

idk it's still very new

and not many ppl having this build since, well

but it's believed to be this season's strongest bossing build

[thorn narwhal]

I think I will wait a bit more since it's still very early to judge

[hidden creek]

yeah
also you can reuse last season thunderscorch's thunderpull & counter, this build also shares 3 jades with ice lotus build

[thorn narwhal]

unfortunately don't have decent jades for any so I'll be starting from 0

[hidden creek]

well if so you better off building an ice lotus set first

[thorn narwhal]

will do

[hidden creek]

i go poison though cuz my poison set last season is surprisingly decent

lol

[thorn narwhal]

right now I'm on poison too but I'll build ice too as it has more potential with other builds

[tardy vigil]

Yo someone wanna carry me in enigma?

Can use legendary keys

[lone umbra]

so if my understanding correct putting stormstride sword is good than miasma drive?

[fierce light]

No. Especially not on Poison now. Where if before your Hero's Damage was at most 50% of your damage, it's even smaller now with the addition of Lotuses. So Stormstride Sword ends up being <11% increase in your overall DPS.

[lone umbra]

ok got it thanks. miasma drive it is..

[wind light]

how much maximum health i can recovery when i defuse

[wind light]

what server

i can help you with NA server

[thorn narwhal]

200 for each jade

[fierce light]

200 per Jade. 600 w/ x3 Windfalls.
1200 max without Windfalls.

[thorn narwhal]

spoke too soon

[wind light]

thanks man

[tardy vigil]

Ah shieee I am EU sadly

[fierce light]

Lot of catch up points though. Think that's a jade's worth

[thorn narwhal]

yeah atleast it gives more points, altho it probabaly just another purple

[woeful monolith]

not a bad drop

oh wow just noticed this as well, I dont think ive ever gotten 2 drops in one run like this

[timid stirrup]

those r pretty sollid drops

[hearty rivet]

Huh, different quadrants of the fatigue meter have different catch-up treshold (guess because of the number of total souljades given).

[timid stirrup]

so it looks like manticore in nirriti doesnt register as a boss defeated for quest. this is the 2nd time ive fought manticore and the defeat didnt count

[sullen pawn]

that explain why i had quest missing 3 and ended up missing one....

[turbid agate]

so for the ice lotus build that zero had said, im using: ghastbloom, sub-zero seal, tundra might, elemental lotus and successive ice blast. What do yall recommend for the last jade? Would frozen blast or Yushan shadows be good?

[thorn narwhal]

even survival blessing can't survive it

[hearty rivet]

If Kurumi's circle is up it heals enough to keep people alive and somehow also protects from the stagger (at least on hard), but yeah super obnoxious attack 💀

[glossy elk]

Who would like to play

[naive vector]

what is your sense?

[glossy elk]

Honestly 0 because I didn’t start showdown

[glossy elk]

0 because I didn’t do showdown

I haven’t started it but would like to

Would anyone like to run showdown with me

[glossy elk]

My sense is lvl 700

[heavy gulch]

What server are you?

[fierce light]

Frozen Blast if you're comfortable using your Skill/Ultimate to cancel the freeze. Yushan Shadows if you're not.

[glossy elk]

NA

[heavy gulch]

@glossy elk I'd be happy to run some trios as a duo if you want help?

[glossy elk]

What’s the highest you’re sense can go

[glossy elk]

Ok I’m down

[heavy gulch]

Right now its 1120

[glossy elk]

You want me to inv or you’re gonna inv me

Im online

[heavy gulch]

I sent you my ID #

[short meadow]

which potential for this?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | LordDuck leveled up!

[turbid agate]

Thank you Zero for all the help and answering questions! Any other jade you'd recommend instead or doesn't matter?

[fierce light]

You can go Defuse • Thaw if you want to get rid of Frostbite semi-freely.
Or Cinderfrost if you don't want to be bothered with it at the cost of damage periodically.

[short meadow]

dark caan you share poison lotus potential tree?

[fierce light]

Mainly just red tree, but skip armor guard. Everything else is good though.

Then go into Epiphany on the Green Tree.

[shadow rivet]

what the best way to farm for souljade fragment

[fierce light]

Enigma Peak will be when it's out, but i think Nirriti pulls ahead for now

[shadow rivet]

basically i need max/higher potential point for enigma peak?

[fierce light]

Yeah to clear it consistently

It'll have the same drop rates as Nirriti's, but it drops more Souljades per run and fatigue.

[shadow rivet]

i see

thanks

[whole pebble]

which of these two build is the current META setup for this season? and what are the stats needed? im still using the scorching/thunderpull setup last season.

[river stratus]

prob the counter pull one with blazing flame have the high ceiling damage but is hard to say now

[hidden creek]

that build don't run blazing flame

anyway as mentioned it's better to just go for mod ice/poison lotus

or if you could wait then wait until you got both blazing flame and water & fire raged for your thunderscorch build

then compare its dmg to other ppl who's running mod ice/poison lotus

see if thunderscorch really falls behind

i think it's still good though

[river stratus]

oh ok

[fierce light]

Having a Lotus build for mobbing and a Thunder Scorch build for bossing could work

[hidden creek]

that's exactly what i'm doing lol

i just need a decent ghastbloom then i'm basically finished with my poison lotus build

double rares on each jade that's another story

[fierce light]

Don't think anything would beat the times Thunder Scorch gets from farming parries.

[hidden creek]

yeah that's what i'm thinking too

last season they introduced poison

but this ''new build which supposed to be good'' turned out so... average, if you don't want to say underperforming

don't know if lotus builds gonna make a difference

or welp, the chinese gonna come up with something crazy this time too

imagine 6 months long season but the strongest build is still the previous season build

😂

[clever glade]

Aye nah facts tho🤣

[bronze wharf]

can count chain defuse ?

this one is more clear to look .

[signal kite]

Demi defuse

[fierce light]

Well I'd say it at least doubled the output of poison and ice builds. They're also generally safer to use. I just hope they'll be enough to clear up to Paragon 10 this time

[fierce light]

Nice! Don't have to waste stamina on dodge canceling.

[lone umbra]

guess i have to work on my timings

[plain spire]

There's a manticore guide in YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiFRw0Opaec

[fierce light]

They gave him an unnecessary amount of mixups tbh. It's getting worse and worse to fight these newer bosses with any kind of ping.

[limpid pecan]

i hated how eerie bough was doing 2 different timing attacks out of the same animation

was extremely painful when doing it with defuse solve hero

[fierce light]

Yeah exactly, I liked when they properly telegraphed the attacks, it started getting worse with Omnious Beast

[hidden creek]

bruh this fkin ice spike omen

[limpid pecan]

tbh i think the ship has sailed with matron already

when she's eerie she does some wild stuff

[fierce light]

Matron telegraphs to a degree, but yeah she's rough if you're purely reacting on Trios Ping.

[limpid pecan]

i think on trios ping most bosses are fiesta

prolly hell scorch is easiest to deal with

omnius rock is especially toxic

laggy triple grabs

deleting entire team

[fierce light]

Lightning is way easier to deal with if you're far away

[timid stirrup]

would the old poison storm build now b atk > poison blast dmg > dmg to boss??

[hidden creek]

no

new poison lotus build prio poison blast dmg because of this

old poison storm build doesn't use lotus jades so there's no lotus impact and blossom blast

so poison blast dmg doesn't have as much impact

[timid stirrup]

but isnt the poison blast dmg bonus still the same?

i dont have game open but isnt the node in top right just poison blast dmg?

[hidden creek]

yeah, but with lotus build poison blast dmg affect all 3: elemental blast, lotus impact and blossom blast, that's why we prio it
while old poison build poison blast dmg only affect elemental blast, that's why dmg to boss is better on it

[timid stirrup]

ic ic

thanx for the info

[fierce light]

Yeah Poison Blast DMG is like x2-3 what it was before

[vivid merlin]

As per my testing (using Tessa), using poison mod with the lotus build is great for mobs. On bosses though, old poison build with cyan fang is still faster in procing elemental bursts.

[fierce light]

Eh

Yeah you can proc it in 2 Cyan Fangs, but you lose out on so much damage from the Lotuses.

[hidden creek]

the thing is procing elemental burst is not the prio on poison lotus build

you prio procing toxified effect

bcoz of this jade

[timid stirrup]

but isnt elemental burst what triggers moderation

[hidden creek]

it can't make up for the dmgs from lotuses

even you procing elemental burst quicker with old build, it will still deal less damages

so what's the point of procing it fast?

[vivid merlin]

Still, only for mobs. Against a single enemy, not so much. Say in Enigma, I'd use lotus build if I'm the farmer. If you're the bosser, I'd say old poison build or thunder parrying builds are better.

[hidden creek]

plus all tree now got lotus points on them, if you're not gonna take them what you gonna take then?

[hidden creek]

lol no, old poison build is super dead

[timid stirrup]

i need to turn on the game to see what im missing here

[hidden creek]

when they removed the potential that make toxin blast requires 5 stacks instead of 6

[fierce light]

That cut it's DPS so much

[vivid merlin]

poison mod + old poison build with cyan fang still works great with Kurumi. I'm guessing lotus build was primarily intended for Tessa, but I'd prefer hydroflare (because I'm a try-hard defuser 😂😂) for her than lotus.

[fierce light]

Your first Poison Blast and every 6th one after won't activate Toxin Blast pretty much

Unless you're mobbing and can do multiple Poison Pools, but even then Lotus build is better.

[hidden creek]

first, in this context great or not you have to take it into comparison, not just your words, i can say classic thunderpull & counter is still ''great'' and no one could tell me otherwise, cuz i think it's great then it's great?
second, no one mentioned hydroflare or thunderscorch cuz no one got enough potential points for both blazing flame and water & fire raged yet so we don't really know how good it is compare to new lotus builds

[fierce light]

Should be able to see ~83% of Thunder Scorch's damage potential right now until they can get Water and Fire Raged alongside Blazing Flame.

[dark bridge]

Bro is there any hints to clear immovable hard mode

[hidden creek]

play more

[fierce light]

Use the Poison Jades from the 7-day Login event

and grab Hydro's Bound at least on the Potential Tree

[vivid merlin]

What @fierce light said.. Just because we're not on full potential doesn't mean we can't see what's working or not.

[hidden creek]

so? who said anything about hydroflare builds?

[dark bridge]

I even lvled up my hero to like 794 or smth but still can't for some reason

[hidden creek]

first you're saying old poison build is better than new mod poison lotus build then you bringing in hydroflare builds? what?

[vivid merlin]

You forgot the "Base on my testing" part? Not everyone has the same SJ stats.

And I did mention hydroflare because again, based on my own testing, it still works, not because of someone elses.

[hidden creek]

and i'm telling you that your ''testing'' is dumb because you said ''old cyan fang poison is better than new mod poison lotus because old cyanfang poison proc elemental burst faster'' when the total dps is clearly lower

you ''test'' w/o having both builds then wtf did you even ''tested''? lol

also no one says hydroflares ''not working anymore'', what are you even on rn?

[river stratus]

cannon build

[vivid merlin]

I have both builds, just that my old build have better SJ stats.

Try using the old build with better stats then try the new ones without rares and proper stats, then compare.

Jeez.

[fierce light]

• Toxin Blast hits for 4800% of your Attack at base, but doesn't benefit from Poison Blast DMG.
• Poison Blast hits for 406% of your Attack at base.
• Lotus Impact • Poison hits for 105% of your Attack at base.
• Blossom Blast • Poison hits for 420% of your Attack at base.

Not even including the Lotus Impacts, you can get 4 Blossom Blasts per Poison Blast if you do the correct rotation. So that's 1680% of your Attack at base. So around 280% Poison Blast DMG will make the damage from Blossom Blast alone equal to a Toxin Blast.

[dark bridge]

The what

Nah fr what am i doing wrong 😭

[timid stirrup]

only part i was confused on was this. cuz elemental burst triggers lotus. or at least thats what i see

[river stratus]

immovable have a lot of mobs, try play wuchen is very good on mobs

[hidden creek]

elemental burst triggers toxified
toxified triggers lotus

[timid stirrup]

so im right

[hidden creek]

so that's just 1 lotus triggered from elemental burst

but the other lotuses

[vivid merlin]

If you can access Nirriti already, I recommend staying there until the next server reset. See if you can complete a build from there.

[dark bridge]

Oh alr alr...thanks

[hidden creek]

are from other sources of toxified effect

[timid stirrup]

and not completely dumb

[hidden creek]

and on poison build

[plain spire]

elemental lotus has no effect on poison build ?

[hidden creek]

you want to trigger lotuses as much as possible, as fast as possible

[hidden creek]

it does, but it's not worth it

[dark bridge]

Yeah i have that... ig im on 2nd chapter of hard mode

[plain spire]

i see thnx

[hidden creek]

toxified lotus: summon lotus when enemy are toxified
noxious blast: inflict toxified when elemental burst happens
elemental lotus: summon lotus when elemental burst happens

[vivid merlin]

Then do Nirriti. Hard mode is ok for now, unless you can find ones who can carry you on nightscream. Try completeing a build then you can go back on campaign, easier run after that.

[dark bridge]

Ok thanks bro... what souljades should i use

[hidden creek]

toxified lotus is the core jade because we're prio inflicting toxified on enemies to summon lotuses
elemental lotus is not core jade because it only summon 1 lotus per elemental blast

[vivid merlin]

SJ doesn't matter in Nirriti, you're just there to farm (and collect achievements/quests)..

[fierce light]

Elemental Lotus only good for Ice build since Successive Ice Blast makes one Elemental Burst into 3.

[hidden creek]

does it helps? yes
is it worth it? no, cuz you got better sj to equips on this build

[dark bridge]

Oh yeah mb forgot...ok thanks thanks

[vivid merlin]

Try checking @fierce light 's Showdown guide as well.

https://dark-zer0.github.io/Showdown/

[polar light]

or can use this strategy to be more safe

[fierce light]

Yeah I'll probably do that on trios

[sullen pawn]

is it expected we get eerie manticore on peak?

[plain spire]

My trusted souljade set finish morus isle from normal to nightscream using it.

[polar light]

yeah

[hidden creek]

😂 damn 6 defensive jades

[fierce light]

Pretty much and in Yama's Abyss

Yeah going to have to change that build asap for anything end-game lol

[bold ice]

whats the rotation youre mentioning?

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[sullen pawn]

would be nice to have a place to practice eerie bosses tbh, only really paragon 10 got me to learn bough

manticore is gonna be a nightmare

[hidden creek]

does anyone experience whacky tessa's aegis break skill hitbox? like the few first hit just not hitting

[fierce light]

Depends on the character, but generally spam strongest Charged Attack until Poison Blast, then aim for an Aegis-Break/Defuse.

[bold ice]

close your eyes and pray

[fierce light]

I'll try and clip it

[bold ice]

im mostly playing viper and i spam horizontal charge with aegis break followup out of habit, probably not optimal then, is it

[hearty rivet]

I'm definitely not looking forward to eerie korven, bough and manticore. 😖

[fierce light]

If you don't have any Lotuses currently, then yeah probably not

[bold ice]

just to be clear, the poison blast youre talking about is the poison elemental icon with or without the number? still new to poison builds as a whole

[fierce light]

The one with the number is your [Toxified] stacks. The other icon is your Poison Blast.

[bold ice]

alright so for lotus spam focus and aegis break only at element proc?

[fierce light]

Well for Viper it might be better off just using Cyan Fang if you don't have enough [Moderation].

But well it's looking like the times aren't that different between spamming Aegis-Break and Charged Attack so I guess it wouldn't be a DPS loss
Nvm that entirely, yeah you're playing it right by doing Charged Attack → Aegis-Break spam.

Like a 0.5s difference (~7.5s vs 8.0s)

[bold ice]

yeah im looking into making builds for both poison and ice lotus, for ice i already have 100% mod

[fierce light]

Yeah for Ice it's:

• Ability → Charged Horizontal → Aegis-Break Skill → Charged Horizontal
  Poison it'll be:
• Ability → 2nd Charged Horizontal → Aegis-Break Skill → 2nd Charged Horizontal

[bold ice]

yep, got frozen blast instead of thunder

it'll be a tedious couple of days (weeks) to get attributes anywhere near optimal state

[dark bridge]

Thanks bro 🙏

[dark bridge]

Thanks 🙏

Don't have any of them

Except 2nd

[fierce light]

I should have the potential layouts for this season done today

[dark bridge]

Nvm i do have some

[turbid agate]

Yes, also it launching you above bosses and it doesn't register any damage.

[hidden creek]

[fierce light]

Yeah that's just Water Ent having a massive collision box

Can't hit him from the side with certain attacks from Dagger or Fan

[hidden creek]

not just this boss

the dude with the polesword too

and recently happens with korvine phase 2 too

i noticed it happens with fan but it's not as severe as it is with tessa aegis break

[fierce light]

Yeah it's just a really small hitbox

I miss it a lot on Manticore

[hidden creek]

i think it's not just the hitbox but something wrong with its melee autoaim assist too

like the melee aim assist just randomly turned off sometimes on this move

[fierce light]

Yeah it can't even turn 90°

Getting better at it

[fierce light]

Something like this:
(Start) → Ability OR x2 Charged Vertical → x2 Charged Vertical → (Poison Blast) → Charged Vertical → Aegis-Break Skill → (Toxin Blast) → Charged Vertical → [Repeat from Start].

Tessa's Ultimate shortens to rotation to where I only need to do one Charged Vertical at the Start.

[naive vector]

@magic prairie are you available now?

[thorn narwhal]

anyone figured how does this work yet

previous one was 350 points = 2 jades now 600= 1 jade?

[fierce light]

The value changes based on the current fatigue as well

[thorn narwhal]

it doesn't make sense since u already get less points with more fatigue

another way of them telling u to not play on high fatigue

[naive vector]

doing showdown quick leveling 2/3 players

need 1 more

normal mode nitri

[fierce light]

It's based on the rewards, so if every 350 is 1 jade on 150% rewards, then 525 would be 1 jade at 100% rewards.

[hearty rivet]

I want to check next week if you keep your 150% total reward from the 150% phase once you get to 600 fatigue and can receive them or it gets counted as 100% phase reward.
This week I spent 1760 points (with some carryovers that weren't counted) after my 150% phase and my 1st 100% phase too and got 8 jades from both but I went from 599 to 644 fatigue (because of a failed manticore run I got only 14 fatigue instead of 15).

[fierce light]

Yeah would be nice to know the conversion rate.

[hearty rivet]

started to make notes about those too. My excel spreadsheet is growing!!!!

[thorn narwhal]

apparently rune keys are not considered good rewards

[magic prairie]

In 1.5h

[bold ice]

the single dumbest mechanic known to mankind

[hearty rivet]

IIRC if you get at least 1 gold and 1 purple souljades, you won't get catchup points. 1 gold results in a small amount and 1-5 purples gave me about 200-ish, while in 150-100% range.

[fierce light]

Yama's Abyss Stages

[wind light]

best souljade for hydro flare ? im using thunder pull,counter and 12 scorching

thunder counter,pull,defuse flamming blade, thunder proff, inceranation

last season people climbing up the tower using copper ward, but now i dont see them using anymore

[fierce light]

Defuse Flaming Blade could be switched off for Copper Ward for more damage on Scorching.

[wind light]

ahh still can use

cool

[past island]

how about Toxic Lotus build?

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[fierce light]

Solar 2 isn't that great for it, have to wait till the enemies get more tanky

[past island]

which jade should i pick?

[wind light]

your currently setup now

what is it

did you beat night scream

manti core

https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1309643723017289888

dont forget bumping to bring nier back

[fierce light]

https://youtu.be/9M-gGm1kkyQ?si=rG1lGtjzgikBtiVw

[wind light]

ahhhhh its you

man did you have maxed potential in your vid right

amd windfall on every souljade

[hidden creek]

nah it's not possible to max out potential on first week

judging from his stats he doesn't have lots of windfall either

[fierce light]

No, I'm level 32 in potential. Only 2 Windfalls as well.

[hidden creek]

my stats is just a little lower than yours, 361 attk, 30% dmg to boss, 286% poison blast and 75% mod

💀 praying for it to drop a good ghastbloom

[fierce light]

You have slightly more, just less mod, but that doesn't matter for bossing if you have 75% or 100%.

[hidden creek]

oya dunno why but i keep thinking you got over 300% poison blast

[fierce light]

287% is the sweet spot where Bloomblasts start to out damage Toxin Blast per Poison Blast.

[chrome seal]

You guys think there'll be stuff like no demon shall pass kinda event soon too?

[fierce light]

Hope so, it's going to be a long season

They give you the core poison jades at least for free for logging in 7 days

[hidden creek]

one of the discord mod reply to a thread that they're preparing a material farming event for us

so yea we can expect that

[thorn narwhal]

they should hurry and not make it just a week long and forget about the other 176 days

seems ppl already losing interest on first week game is dead

[hearty rivet]

I never really figured it out or checked, how good is the self-heal on green tree (with the poison build self-damage)? I'm always afraid of making builds without defuse heal stats, cause I'm clumsy ^^;;;

[fierce light]

Think they just maxed their fatigue already waiting for reset, but yeah with Speedrun and Enigma Peak closed, nothing much else to do atm

[fierce light]

It does a % of your max health iirc. Not as crazy as the attribute, but it can be helpful over a long mission.

[thorn narwhal]

not really, end game players rarely puplic queue anyway, the normal players were are no longer queueing too after first 2-3 days

[fierce light]

Ah I gotcha

[hearty rivet]

thx! I'll try gradually lower it on my poison build and see how it goes 😅

[wind light]

true

[fierce light]

Hmm just tried my old Thunder Scorch build and it cleared first stage of Manticore 20s slower (1m vs 1m20s) with a similar start (2 parries from boss, got interrupted twice, etc).

That's pretty promising considering how much more stacked my Thunder Scorch build is.

Boss might just be too aggro for Thunder Scorch tho

[hidden creek]

if it's true then it's not just 20 sec diff

but 25% dmg diff

[fierce light]

Yeah Water and Fire Raged will close the gap, but considering my Attributes on Poison are like 50% of max

versus 75-85% of max on my Thunder Scorch, it's really promising.

[hidden creek]

yeah

[crisp nymph]

anybody have any idea how to complete the season challenge "Never Strikes Twice, Counter a Divine Thunder Once"? I have experimented with various thunder counter/thunder pull builds and had no luck. just simply confused.

[hidden creek]

isn't it a nirriti challenge?

[crisp nymph]

yes

@hidden creek

im doing it in nirritis

[hidden creek]

that's weird

you said you ''experimented with various thunder counter/thunder pull builds''

but there's no soul jades in nirriti

[crisp nymph]

man

im a smooth brain frfr

then what anima ring path lets me counter divine thunder?

[fierce light]

You just grab the Thunder Blessing at the beginning and get 4 Element Rings. Then you'll be able to parry Divine Thunder.

[hidden creek]

^ that

[frank bronze]

Anyone plays in Xbox

[crisp nymph]

wow its that easy?

[hidden creek]

well nirriti challenges can only be done in nirriti

[crisp nymph]

i thought it was like some fabled level 2 blessing or something but nope

just level 1

crazy lol

thanks guys

[fierce light]

I play on Xbox Controller

[crisp nymph]

what does divine thunder even look like?

[fierce light]

On yourself, it looks like this (Warning: Bad Audio):

Can someone screenshot the 7-Day Login event for Showdown? Want to show a friend for reference.

[fierce light]

Thanks, wasn't expecting it to go away after I completed it

[trim token]

Is it worth it to use the Flux jade on my scorching build? Or do I wait and see what the new poison lotus build will be like in high yama?

[bold ice]

probably wait if your build hinges on that

so far nothing is sure, might turn out scorch is still the best

[trim token]

I have scorching 12 already so I can wait prob

[fierce light]

I'd say wait, probably till the end of next week

Since we should be full potential

[trim token]

I'm at pot 30 already

[fierce light]

Yeah a lot of the builds can't get their full damage till the last point

Scorching build can get theirs 2 points early (38)

[trim token]

+20% on scorch yeah

well, the health increases the damage also 👆 🤓

[crisp nymph]

@fierce light I have no yellow thunder bar in the bottom left of my screen and no lightning striking me. did everything you said. is there a specific anima ring?

do i NEED to be in nightscream? some requirement im missing?

[bold ice]

in ruins you need 4 element anima rings

and thunder essence

[crisp nymph]

i did, ill try 1 more time and get back

[bold ice]

when you get 4 element rings with thunder essence, you get a blessing which makes you accumulate thunder as you attack

[crisp nymph]

fixed

thank you

[fierce light]

You'll have this at the top of your Inventory

When you can do it

[stone karma]

how do u get this kind of substats?

[fierce light]

Time, Patience, & Luck

[hearty rivet]

Holy cow we just did the weekly doom with lotus builds and whatnot and had the fastest immovable win since season 1.5 👀 My mind is blown.

[buoyant notch]

Is matari still trash

after this showdown update?

[fierce light]

Yeah she didn't get much of a buff, if anything a nerf cause they reduced the charge from slapping.

[hearty rivet]

rip SlapMatari meta 😭

Although if elemental builds turn out good for endgame a mod build might be good for her?

[fierce light]

Her ability only does damage in her Ultimate, unless you have Arcane Thunder, so still bad.

Dagger has such a bad accumulation rate, aside from Cyan Fang maybe.

[hearty rivet]

sads, hoped the flash buff would help her a bit v.v

[thorn narwhal]

someone using this, would this kill mobs quicker as supposedly it spawns more lotus?

and apparently speedrun is locked behind manticore NS? this is gonna be tough for new players

might just be a bug msg

[hearty rivet]

Yeah speedrun got unlocked after killing ns Korven then ns Bough in last 2 seasons too.

[fierce light]

Yeah you'd spawn an extra Lotus per Poison Blast.

Mainly good if you don't have any of the -Root Glyphs on the Potential Tree or are running Ice Build though.

I turned this into this with 140 Fragments:

[hearty rivet]

insane rare luck?

oh wait 2 of your stats remained, still, pretty awesome! 🫠

[naive vector]

anybody available to do nitri legends?

[fierce light]

I got [Moderation] on one of my other jades using the free Flux Jade so I was able to take it off of this one

So now my build is more flexible, I did get pretty lucky with no Scorchings though so far.

[hearty rivet]

Oh cool! The plus side of getting excessive rares, you can fix your souljades in need. 😌

[thorn narwhal]

howww, i just spent 600 fragments for just 2 stats lol

the pity 60 roll is always max from a rare right?

[hearty rivet]

I dunno! Haven't dared to gamble my pity rolls for that 👀

[fierce light]

I don't think so

[thorn narwhal]

i remember someone said it was guaranteed

[heavy gulch]

@fierce light could you explain what exactly windfall does? I also just got it on my Miasma Drive

[buoyant lynx]

Someone did say that here: #👾┃showdown message

Haven’t tried yet, so can’t confirm either

[heavy gulch]

Thank you, that's really helpful..!

[thorn narwhal]

yeah someone pls sacrifice a rare

[fierce light]

You won't have to confirm it

But you'll sacrifice a pity

[thorn narwhal]

how many for recast value the rare?

[fierce light]

Like 5 Recasts gave me the max roll from [Moderation]. Took around 70 for the [Windfall].

[thorn narwhal]

and for windfull 40% to 50%

[fierce light]

That was like 12 recasts

My last 24 fragments

[buoyant notch]

What is current meta jades for Féria shen, kurumi and Tessa

is it worth grinding jades if all you want is showdown seals?

[buoyant notch]

Nvm the first question I found the showdown guide you all made and it’s beautiful

[fierce light]

Feria could probably use any build now thanks to the buff to her skill. Same for Tessa. I think Lotus builds are the new meta, particularly Ice and Poison. As far as what they consist off, resort to this:

[quick musk]

what does the word faded mean when its over a jade?

[hearty rivet]

It's an obsolete souljade and you can convert it to any other purple from last season, and keep its stats

[hearty rivet]

wooo with Tessa ice lotus build. Had a stupid(tm) death in 1st phase and then had to use an orb bc messed up the halfway lightning phase. Was relatively (*compared to everything before) suuuuuuuuuper smoth otherwise 👀

[naive vector]

can anyone help me with nitri legends?

[fierce light]

I would like to see some Ice Lotus gameplay, only had that Yueshan video someone posted earlier. They had a pretty impressive time though as well.

[whole pebble]

can you share what jades you are using now and the 4 stats on it? 🙂

[hearty rivet]

No idea how to record and will definitely need to practice this some more but sure, can do it sometimes if you don't find a better vid until then.
2 things I noticed were the lotuses exploded in triplicates often when they expired and of course one has to watch out for the self-freeze (instead of self-poisoning). Without frozen blast it was not too problematic. And of course no ticking damage on boss, just ice cracking sounds.

[fierce light]

Yeah, they're at the end of the video.

[fierce light]

Yeah, makes sense with Successive going off 3 times. What'd you use in place of Frozen Blast? If it didn't have the risk of me freezing or being forced to use my ability I would try it out.

[whole pebble]

thank you as always.

[hearty rivet]

Arcane thunder for now (it has mod on it and decent stats). 350 attack, 6.5% dmg to boss, 227.5 ice blast damage, 739 defuse recovery my current build with 2 windfalls and 100% moderation.

[polar light]

I will send and start a new match with the ICE MOD build when i get back from work ,i don’t know but that video i sent earlier Nividia only capture the last 2-3 min only 🥲

Here is a video of CN players player all of them with the new ICE Mod lotus build 【1分19秒，三人速刷噩梦狮影霆威-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/KhFUTaV

[fierce light]

Ah gotcha, yeah I'm sitting at 296% Poison Blast DMG & 361 Attack iirc

[fierce light]

Thanks bro, yeah for Yueshan I can set Ice Lotus being better for him since he can get 3 Skills off during his ultimate instead of 2. Also can proc in less hits.

[hearty rivet]

That 2nd phase, boss just melted once it lost its aegis 👀

[polar light]

I saw too many top CN players on Doyin using ICE MOD lotus build and they think it is the best overall build until now cuz Thunder scorch is kinda bugged RN,and also i wasted to many of my resources of last season on that build too

but i think still thunder scorch when i t will be fixed it will be the best build for boss and ICE Mod for mobbing

[hearty rivet]

Is it bugged? 👀

[polar light]

Thunder scorch yeah

When u try to parry the second thunder to get the second scorch u cant parry sometimes

Like weird animation and cant parry

[hearty rivet]

Ohhh.. a side effect of the thunderpull-thundercounter change? o.O (applying 2 scorches was unknown/advanced stuff for me before, why I'm clueless ^^; )

[fierce light]

Well ima still stick to Poison Mod for now. If it is behind Ice Mod, it doesn't seem by much

[hearty rivet]

I want to try poison build but it needs a lot of work for me. Currently having only good damage to boss stats and only ~80% (+potentials) poison blast damage and like 6 random stats to fix.

[polar light]

Yeah its seems not too much ,but everywhere i go to see some of the top players in CN on Doyin and billibilli from last sesson they are using ICE mod now

[polar light]

There is 168 days left so plenty of time to try and fix that

And try new build

also a friend send this to me

There is some events coming out soon

[fierce light]

They likely had the Souljades already created since they treated poison like a joke anyway

And it's definitely the fastest for Solar 2

[polar light]

But if u check top 1 to top 10 Rn in CN they got 10 to 12 second using ICE MOD lotus build

[hearty rivet]

OH indeed! I'm currently happy with my ice mod build or if everything else fails there'll be the standard hydroflare or my supersafe skyfire build to play with.

[hearty rivet]

How o_o Even the 20 sec kills seem some sort of dark magic to me already 🤯

[fierce light]

Arcane Thunder magic most likely

That and crazy high stats to kill the boss quickly

[polar light]

Yeah

[fierce light]

Sucks that poison can't proc from it on mobs

[plain spire]

When using skill using ice build will the ice blast proc be 100%?

[fierce light]

On mobs, it'll proc on both Poison and Ice. For enemies with Astral Aegis though, it'll take a bit more.

[polar light]

【全网首个单刷黄玉3分台 版本答案？多失误百化冰莲黄玉3分53秒-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/vFbqWj7

[fierce light]

Yeah damn, Poison missing that extra bit of accumulation makes it not able to do that.

[quaint girder]

Hey Zero, what's the average Windfall taken on a build? 8, 10, or 12?

I know double windfall (2 per sj) is the standard if taking Windfall, but just wanted to ask what's the ideal maximum cumulatively usually

[signal kite]

So ice mod meta now

[fierce light]

8 if using other rares, 12 if not.

[polar light]

I think still will have to see at speed run and enigma peak

[signal kite]

Yeap last step varification

[fierce light]

Poison Mod's chain reactions are really fun

[hard glade]

Which one is better for bossing, Solidification or Miasma Drive?

[thorn narwhal]

3:53 enigma

this ice looks so good

[fiery rock]

What’s the new ice lotus build?

[short meadow]

@fierce light Did they nerfed Thunder Scorching?

[short meadow]

@inner moss pin it

[somber crescent]

Bro what!? I hate this game

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[granite marsh]

Whats wrong with it?

[inner moss]

[plain spire]

probably wanted scorching

[somber crescent]

Yeah. I want scorching

[fierce light]

Slightly with the nerf to Blazing Flame & Water and Fire Raged

[short meadow]

This one is best for bossing now?

[signal kite]

Which*

[fierce light]

Hard to say so early, don't have any content tanky enough to test

[rough gate]

go into trio enigma , all mobs have huge hp pools to test.

[drifting lance]

🎉 | SUPERSEXYHOLYSHIT leveled up!

[formal lark]

Is there any tool to use to see the dmg output? Like a dmg meter or so?

[rough gate]

best build ive seen was a buddy had a poison setup the 4 main poison souljades, all red attributed heavily, and i cant remember the 2 optional ones, but it was rippping damage apart,

havnt even spent time looking,

try a search

that would be so nice, do contibute a link if u get one

[fierce light]

Yeah Lotus builds are going to be better for Enigma, at least Topaz.

[rough gate]

it was like the new poison mainstream one but hhis attributes were shit maxed already

[fierce light]

Yeah, we'll have to see in Yama's though when it becomes pure boss fights again.

[rough gate]

yeah one build doesnt rule the whole tower, makes it interesting

for raw non boss i was seeing it in action

[naive vector]

super we need 1 more aside from you for nitri legends

[rough gate]

hmphhh. ? well 2 is a start we can get a party started

[naive vector]

I sent you a friend request

I'll add you to the party

[rough gate]

is the purple blob from poison builds the poison trigger or the 6 stack explosion

[fierce light]

They're all kinda purple

But the one that looks like a skull is the 6 stack explosion

[rough gate]

yeah confusing, ugh,

[naive vector]

lets try eu servers super

everybody in NA is asleep

[cursive kestrel]

I forgot how to complete this, anyone help?

[fierce light]

You need:

• x6 Lv. 3 Anima Rings
• x12 Lv. 2 Anima Rings
• x3 Lv. 3 Anima Rings + x6 Lv. 2 Anima Rings

Basically it only counts the Anima Rings you get past Lv. 1.

[cursive kestrel]

thank you!

[warm kraken]

need help

[rough gate]

thats awesome roll

[bold ice]

@fierce light do we know if the rooms we take in ruins have an effect on drops?

like is it worth to go into another mob stage instead of taking stores, is it worth taking red rooms over normal ones

[hidden creek]

so this is the expected drop from enigma gold key

[bold ice]

ew

[hidden creek]

it doesn't

[bold ice]

better off hoarding keys for next season

[fierce light]

Believe it just affects the chance of getting better than Rare Rings.

[bold ice]

alright sick

[hidden creek]

going in shop stage instead of mob stage only gives you more ring
going in hard stage only gives you higher chance for purple/gold ring

not affecting the drops whatsoever

[fierce light]

I skip them cause those 1 minute rooms take longer than 3 purples sometimes.

[bold ice]

and you can get frozen to death

[fierce light]

Yeah they made them really not worth when they made it no longer guarantee Purple or above.

[thorn narwhal]

how good was lotus aegis break? no one seems to use any of the purples

[fierce light]

There's not much room for them in any of the builds

But you can still use them in the free spot of the builds if you so choose:

[thorn narwhal]

oh just lotus impact not the blast, dont think worth it

[fierce light]

Could be worth at max potential

But it's a bit hard to calculate the DPS output

I'll have to frame count how often it ticks

[bold ice]

max potential is achievable this week already right?

[fierce light]

I think so, but I can't remember

[bronze wharf]

what the F !
what am i support to do with that

[polar light]

i will advice u to change scorching and try to get a max stats and then change the attack on this jade which is 1% to a rare stats again

[hidden creek]

well that's a 30% ice blast dmg for you

[ebon parrot]

Is there a new meta build from this new update (just came back to showdown)

[drifting lance]

🎉 | DooDooDoopy leveled up!

[bronze wharf]

i was looking for the moderation , game know what we want and he gave that scorching

[fierce light]

#👾┃showdown message

Still can happen in 150% rewards.

~300 Points does seem to be around 1 jade.

[hard glade]

@fierce light

[hearty rivet]

what the...

0 catch up

[hidden creek]

😂

[fierce light]

That happened to me too, only 2 golds, 1 crystal, 0 catch up

[hidden creek]

that's gold key or brown key?

[hearty rivet]

gold

[hidden creek]

bruh

😂

[hearty rivet]

gold from everyone

[hidden creek]

it's official, DON'T RUN ENIGMA THIS SEASON EVERYONE

[hearty rivet]

other got 4 gold and 11 purple souljade but he used a potion too

but yeah wtf... 0 catchup

[fierce light]

Depends on the character. If it allows you to proc it in one less attack, it's often worth it

[river stratus]

[bold ice]

feels like ruins drops this week are worse

[fierce light]

Idk why they didn't just reduce the variance

[hidden creek]

cuz they hates us

[hard glade]

you mean solidification or miasma drive?

[tacit nest]

anyone know the standard hydroflare potential tree

[hidden creek]

on pinned

[tacit nest]

where can i find pinned?

if ya dont mind

nvm found it

[fierce light]

Solidification for some heroes can make you proc Poison Blast in one less attack

Haven't tested that many though

[tacit nest]

i see in the pinnded messages

is there a thunder lotus build?

[hidden creek]

ofc there is

but it kinda have the worst output dmg

among 3 basic lotus build

[tacit nest]

gotcha

poison lotus is the broken one

[hidden creek]

i think ice is better though

but eh

[tacit nest]

really?

i seen darks yt vid

he messed up that manticore

[hidden creek]

i got good poison jades from previous season

so i went with poison

[tacit nest]

w build

[hidden creek]

it makes sense that thunder lotus have the lowest dmg

cuz it's core jades are from easier ns stages

compare to ice/poison core jades stages

[tacit nest]

thats true

i got a windfall on thunderpull

for my thunderscorch build

should i keep recasting for scorching?

[hidden creek]

ehhh

imo it's not worth it

just start building ice/poison lotus this season

bro finally allowed me to finish my nirriti run

[thorn narwhal]

i guess this channel is doomed for eternal death #🐲┃showdown-lfg

[tacit nest]

all i need is ghastbloom

but my skill level aint good enough to beat the nightscream

lol

[fierce light]

Ice is pretty broken yeah

[hidden creek]

well you could try your luck in nirriti ns

[tacit nest]

i tried that one and manticore

i got FU**ED up

[hidden creek]

😂 dw few more runs and u'll get the hang of it

just play safer

nirriti ns is really not that hard

[tacit nest]

ill keep trying lol

aint done yet

[hidden creek]

[tacit nest]

i gotta get top 10 yoto

needa get to where dark is

[fierce light]

#👾┃showdown message

[hidden creek]

if i have the choice i'll chose ice too

but i started late and never quite got a good set of ice sjs

[tacit nest]

i have all the ice and poison jades

just not ghast lmfaoooo

😭

[hidden creek]

yeah that's me when i first started

couldn't beat korvine

couldn't get flaming blade

so my burn build is trash, if you can even call that build a burn build w/o flaming blade lol

[tacit nest]

try the legendary might jade packs

i got all my builds from those

[hidden creek]

yeah then i got carried through korvine ns once, bought the bp, get the sj choice gift and voilà there's my flaming blade

😂😂😂

[thorn narwhal]

i had to kill korvine 40+ times for a single incineration drop

[tacit nest]

thats funny

i just got carried thru ns nirriti

[thorn narwhal]

was the only incineration the whole season too

[tacit nest]

but didnt get ghastbloom

[tacit nest]

YIKES

[hidden creek]

this is exactly what i was afraid of 😂

that's why i went with the easy way

just get carried through it once then i was able to pick the sj from sj choice gift

[thorn narwhal]

u started from last season?

[hidden creek]

from korvine season

dont rmb what it called

[thorn narwhal]

turmoil

[hidden creek]

ah yeah

nice got to lv 34 potential

[thorn narwhal]

lotus impact 40% > poison blast 50% ?

[hidden creek]

in my case, yes i think

though i don't do calculation like Dark

[fierce light]

It's a multiplier, so it could be possibly

[hidden creek]

well more like i can't

but with like ~300% poison blast

the diminishing return is already too high

[thorn narwhal]

not the only

[hidden creek]

while lotus impact dmg only have this potential node as the direct multiplier

[thorn narwhal]

without the potential ?

[hidden creek]

with potential 286, w/o potential 236

but it's a percentage multiplier, this number already suffered so much from diminishing return

[fierce light]

236 → 286 = 21.18% increase.

Lotus Impact does about 1/4 the damage of Blossom Blast, but it hits more often per proc.

[hidden creek]

yeah

tbh it doesn't really matters

cuz sooner or later we gonna get them all

sooo yea it's not necessary to calculate them

[fierce light]

Just need 2-3 hits for it to be worth over the Poison Blast

[thorn narwhal]

true

[fierce light]

So probably better for bossing, slightly worse for mobbing.

[thorn narwhal]

what

[hidden creek]

[fierce light]

You cleared it before that one?

[thorn narwhal]

no

[rough gate]

gosh they ask a lot of questions feel like a help desk =) joke.. poison blast on souljades t1,2,3,4,5,6 1 =damagex 2=damage y 3 4 5 6, any close damage numbers observed

poison , element i mean , example 6 souljades all poison enhance damage compare to 1 souljade with poison

[quaint girder]

looking for a group for Doom is harddd

why do I have to have a normal 9-5 workday on EST

[hidden creek]

if it's not bcoz 3rd stage got double boss i can just solo it

[quaint girder]

can't jump on with all the kiddos and NEETs at reset

[rough gate]

ill play ywith u ness dpont feel leftout

[quaint girder]

Can you play Doom?

Had S6ix earlier, they said they had a friend, waited for them to clear Niriti then S6iX justl ike AFKED

holy moly

what's with people going AWOL

[hidden creek]

😂

remind me about the time i was the raid leader on a mmo

and the pt got 25 members

[quaint girder]

I know its just a game, but come on if you're not going to commit at least don't respond to me and respect my time

[hidden creek]

can't remember how many times i have to say this to them lmao

[quaint girder]

better to let me just go do something else when there's no response instead of insta responding then ghosting me like 10 seconds later

fr it kind of pisses me off

[thorn narwhal]

u think eu is better, not a single match since first week

hell i don't think they can call such dead week for new season a success

[fierce light]

They're demanding a bit too much time still

At least with Void Space we could burn 60 fatigue, but now it's 45

[thorn narwhal]

i mean if people are already losing motivation, what about the 170 days left...

[fierce light]

You hardly have enough time to do any of the end-game (Speedrun/Enigma Peak/Yama's Abyss) after doing your fatigue. At least for any person with irl responsibilities or even plays other games.

[hearty rivet]

And now with how the catch-up system works it's incentivized not to stop before the end of your current 600 period or lose points.

[fierce light]

Really big disappointment not adding that pity for value as well

Hoping they bring it next update

[tacit nest]

hey @fierce light

i seen in your yt how u use rt and LT for attack

how is that??

[fierce light]

My RT is Vertical, RB is Horizontal. LT is my grapple, not sure about that one.

[tacit nest]

oh word

maybe i saw it wrong

how does it feel for you tho

[fierce light]

It feels fine, I started with this

[rough gate]

like weird, u dont play and get loot , quite a bit, too, catch up , whatever i just like the game, and the parrying i can do on local empty servers, find a few people with a 160 ping cant even parray or dodge, so Na it is

[twin ledge]

Dam I have 370 divine now on my thunder build

[fierce light]

Wow Hun Dun actively nerfs element builds cause breaking a part waste an extra 15 seconds just from the stun animation delaying the death animation...

[twin ledge]

Yea that’s why I had to use my thunder burn or half thunder burn

[rough gate]

dz have u been contacted by any reps from the developers, cuz they paid baize for those videos , uve seen em , outdated and sucky, and here u making all these strategy guides 10x better than baize videos

[fierce light]

Well the ones that had, got their position changed or something so kinda out of contact

[rough gate]

yeah , fired probly for hiring bize

[fierce light]

Jeez went from 43s to 28s just cause the death animation didn't play

[thorn narwhal]

for the majority there isn't really much to do, in the normal days people will just burn 600 fatigue while fininshing all weekly quests in a single day and do some rounds on yama that's pretty much it

on the other hand game is asking u to nolife showdown

[elfin grove]

[twin ledge]

That’s Why I use elixers all the way through only takes me 40 games to max fatigue

[rough gate]

meh to that, u play a lot , some like eto get ranked, its fun playing it a few days a week for a couple hours

[twin ledge]

I wish ruins would go to 60 fatigue so it can go back to 20 games

[fierce light]

Expecting to take most of your time for little to no progression per week is just a bit insane.

[thorn narwhal]

elixer is very limited like 5 a season? idk not including Battlepass

[twin ledge]

Huh

No I buy mine

Showdown store

[rough gate]

i casualed it and had fun, i wasnt doing the best , had fun say no thing wrong

[thorn narwhal]

oh 240 gold

[rough gate]

passed the enigmas, didnt get 8 bosses but thats ok, i didnt play a lot

[thorn narwhal]

running this every week i guess that's what game want everyone to do

[twin ledge]

this makes me want to quit showdown

[fierce light]

There's so many different builds out there too, but it takes too long just to max, let alone finish one.

[rough gate]

its options for gamers of time invested from few hours a a week gamers to daily gamers,

[fierce light]

Barely have time for content creation really

[thorn narwhal]

i wasted 600 fragments [month's stock] for completing half a jade..

[twin ledge]

We need some type of auto farm tbh

[rough gate]

jades are the best item so most time to get makes sense

[fierce light]

I severely doubt they'll add that, and if they do, it'll be garbage.

[hidden creek]

bcoz it's a garbage idea lol

[signal kite]

[fierce light]

If it had daily progression instead of weekly, maybe.

Since that's what gachas do

[twin ledge]

Oh that’s better

Never thought of that

[hidden creek]

let's be honest there's only 2 bad things about showdown atm: the lack of contents and the stupid drop variations

[fierce light]

Yeah the gameplay loop is very limiting right now

[rough gate]

honest has been active all along

[fierce light]

Enigma Topaz has worse drop rates (even though it has a higher quantity of Souljades). So it's mainly just farming Nirriti's Ruins since it's also the most efficient on time per fatigue.

[hidden creek]

for the lack of contents, if only they gives us new contents, ACTUAL MEANINGFUL CONTENTS more frequently

unlike current when you just do one run to clear that stage then forget about it

[rough gate]

ur gonna be like meh, but get stoned and play for a bit

[hidden creek]

tbf i can't even tell if they're trying

like, i get it, they added showdown bcoz ppl asked for a pve mode

but it's so half-baked

[fierce light]

It's like they're trying to stay casual by making the easy contents have the same drop rates as the harder ones, but also hardcore by the amount of time it takes to gather materials.

[hidden creek]

which still makes sense, in the end this is still a pvp br focused game anyway

[fierce light]

When most RPG's usually have the better rewards in the harder content that you farm to reach anyway.

[hidden creek]

yea

like they don't know how to make a rewarding rpg gameplay

[thorn narwhal]

25secs, i guess it will be just another scorching season

[fierce light]

Yeah, but this boss also favors it cause elements will break Hun Dun's part, causing a really long death animation. Wastes like 15s

[thorn narwhal]

that too..

[rough gate]

dont lose it, be mellow, dont burnout on it, thats advice , liking the game a lot, exspecting more and more.

[fierce light]

I'm still in it, cause I got some friends who play it and well I like theorycrafting the builds. It just hurts you can hardly use them without severely gimping your damage.

[rough gate]

fullly baked and play, not half baked

[hidden creek]

imagine they add a ingame trade system

like u could put ur sj onto a ''market'' and other ppl could buy it with silk or jade fragments or smth

[hollow light]

Stares at Warframe's Trade System

[hidden creek]

ah the kuva farming day and sellin ur riven

[hollow light]

[rough gate]

try a new build, be defensive, limit somethings dont abuse mechanics like scorching lighhtning combo, and if u do, have fun and then try a new setup, theres so many un used souljade combos out there, put up a rank with a set of souljades people would be like huh really..

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/yap-yapper-yapping-what-huh-gif-17267607410251793922

[rough gate]

dz i know u could get something outa ur work , showdown system to player operator

fun time again

enigma domaines the coolest map , small, no portals, ! yes!

[hollow light]

The feeling if they have something similar like this, The Guild Chamber having guild houses(dojos) building very small facilities to increase SJ Drop rate, increase rarity reroll or Luck, a weekly rebirth bead generated depending on the level of the facilities, Expansion of Members, that type of thing could probably liven up things and build more comms between players

The trading system is more than enough if they're at least to try push this. Ex:

S>> Souljade fragments for 500 Spectral Silk or S> Flux Jade Shard for Gold as transaction only currency. People are bound to top up more.

[rough gate]

holy cow thats a lot, im afk ttyl

[hidden creek]

eh selling sj for gold gonna be too much, they don't want no micro transaction cuz they're more focused onto the gacha aspect

but it's like, NONE of the naraka devs actually played a MMORPG, pve focused game before

they have like zero idea how a good one look like

[hollow light]

True, there's a lot of potential but it's too grindy that currently it's not satisfyingly rewarding especially on higher difficulties. The RNG doesn't sit right

[hidden creek]

yeah, and the worse part is it's like they don't even care

there's so many, and i mean SO MANY room for showdown to improve

it's bizarre that they managed to dissapoint everytime

[hollow light]

Yeah, was looking forward to the "catch up system". I thought it was going to help more to casual players who play the game, and my friends who can at least get to sense 1120 asap, only to see it Tailors more to the ones who stay up and play longer.

[fierce light]

Yeah Catch-Up System is a bit of a misleading name.

Maybe like misfortune/karma points or something would make more sense

[plain spire]

drop pretty bad 150% + elixir still no gold @ nitiri 2x already

[thorn narwhal]

no wonder people quitting

lotus on kuru is so bad, got to enjoy it before scorch people ruin it

[plucky fog]

what matches is this?

[fierce light]

Every 600 fatigue it increases by 1 I think.

[tacit nest]

What

It’s prolly gonna be for only 30 mins

But first time on 2nd

😭

[thorn narwhal]

@fierce light could u record a run poison seem too underperforming

not tessa

[fierce light]

On Empyrean 2?

[thorn narwhal]

y

[hidden creek]

yay 100% mod

[fierce light]

Nice, a fellow poison Mod user.

[hidden creek]

now is the painful part

2nd rare on each jade

and they have to be windfall

🥹

[fierce light]

Same. I'm at x4 [Moderation] & x3 [Windfall] at the moment.

[river stratus]

why always scorching

[hidden creek]

[fierce light]

Was that a super react..?

[river stratus]

yes

[plain spire]

meanwhile mine is always windfall i want scorching

[hidden creek]

FFFFFACK

🥹