👾┃showdown

[limpid pecan]

think scorching would be fine if not the thunder counter setup

[fathom bobcat]

All I'm saying is that it's one thing when we're talking about single player and another when we're talking about multiplayer. But okay, you have your opinion, I have mine.

🤝

[hearty rivet]

stats for poison builds are attack > damage to boss / poison dmg %?

[hidden creek]

yes

[hearty rivet]

thankyou!

[fierce light]

Yeah i think Scorching would be fine if it didn't proc off Thunder Counter

Parries are harder to get than Defuses so it makes sense for it to be stronger than the Defuse Burns

[wispy garnet]

can anyone explain why in this order? since attack is max 4% and boss max 5% and top of that it already boosts dmg not attack. And What about poison?! Why in 3rd priority? If it's 100% more in the overall doesn't it do even bigger nuking numbers?

e.g. like without 12k and with 100% 24k?😅

[hearty rivet]

It was a question, based on what I read in the channel logs ^^ I thought attack has higher importance bc it's a general buff and the other two were equal priority in my question (hence the / ). IIRC DarkZer0 mentioned some days ago those two are either or whether you want your poison build for mobbing or bossfighting. Or use both until you get 2 rares on that souljade?

[fierce light]

1. Toxin Blast does not scale from Poison Blast DMG so it ends up being a low priority.
2. Increase DMG to Boss is higher priority for Bossing, since Attack is already saturated, but since Poison is more so of a mobbing build Attack can also be pretty important.
   Every stage has a boss on it, so it won't hurt going for either.

[hearty rivet]

Thank you!!
I wonder if 1) a bug? Given the stat is called "Poison Blast DMG" 👀

[wispy garnet]

But I don't 1. get fully. What is the difference? One is explosion dmg at once other is dot?

[hidden creek]

toxin blast and poison blast are 2 different thing

[hearty rivet]

oh!

[hidden creek]

poison blast happens when you stacked enough poison dmg onto target

and when it happens it adds a toxified stack onto the target

6 stacks of toxified = toxin blast happens

and this is the main damages of poison build, the toxin blast

[fierce light]

Poison Blast is the initial explosion that activates Noxious Blast & Pestilent Pool.

Toxin Blast is the huge explosion that occurs from reaching 6 stacks of [Toxified] (5 stacks if you have Poisonous Assault).

[hidden creek]

but the attribute on the souljade is only poison blast not toxin blast

[hearty rivet]

Thank you for the explanation!

So poison blast is the poison version of ice blast/divine thunder, mainly used to trigger toxified and the goal is to put 6 (or 5 with poisonous assault) stacks of toxified on enemies to blow them up for big damage.

[limpid pecan]

i noticed getting lvl 4 poison blessing is extremely helpful for clearing legend/nightscream nirriti

[hearty rivet]

And poison blast procs often enough so the poison blast dmg is not very useful? As I understand more poison blast damage = more frequent toxified on enemies?

[limpid pecan]

it just deletes entire screen of mobs basically

[hidden creek]

no

more damages with poison elements = more frequently poison blast happens = more frequently toxified

[hidden creek]

which is why it's my go-to on nirriti lol, and by taking poison core you have high change to get the ring with the effect similar to backfire+desperation

the down side is you'll have 0 hp till you get 12 rings, but if you manage to survive with just armor then it's fine
also 4 poison blessing make you immune to death by toxified/burn so you can eat as many mushroom/toxic jellies as you want

[hearty rivet]

erf, yeah! That's what I meant, my mind squished the more poison damage and more frequent poison blast together, sorry!

[hidden creek]

yeah the main purpose of poison blast is to stack toxified for toxin blast, the dmg of poison blast itself is meh on bosses

that's why we prio attack over poison blast dmg on jades

but as Dark already mentioned it still helps with clearing mobs

so its damage is not entirely useless

[hearty rivet]

nods thank you for the explanation 🙂

[magic ridge]

Short question. Is there any way to get multiple rare attributes on souljades without the Flux Crystal and is there a way to get some Flux Crystals or are they just some rare one time rewards?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Shuzra leveled up!

[hidden creek]

1: no
2: just some rare one time reward

[magic ridge]

sad

[hidden creek]

you can get a flux crystal shard by disassemble a jade with a rare attribute on it

1 rare attribute = 1 shard

2 shards = 1 crystal

[magic ridge]

okay thanks

[fierce light]

Poison Blast DMG doesn't increase the accumulation rate. Only thing that does that is Hydro's Bound (Potential), Defuse Solidification (Souljade), Cyan Fang • Poison-Wielding (Souljade/Attack) & Elemental Confluence (Anima Ring). There's also having +6 Poison Wielding, but that should be on by default.

[fierce light]

Only down side is that since Toxin Blast isn't considered elemental damage, the only ring helpful for it is Elemental Confluence.

[hearty rivet]

Okay, I misunderstood it then, thanks for the clarification :D

[fierce light]

The Windfalls don't make that big of a difference as Scorching in that build. 6 Windfalls only increases your overall Burn DMG by 12.6% from without Windfalls and Attack by 7.45%.

[dusk plover]

Gotcha. Was just saying the super broken ones everyone is talking about are the ones that have the 8 windfalls on it like kakashi which from your chart adds that 24% burn damage and 54% max burn damage. If they nerfed scorching that much people wouldn’t be complaining as much since it wouldnt be doing more than the burns combined anymore if I remember the number you said correctly. The “broken” part about it after that is having another way to proc it besides just focus enemy attacks which most of the time on the 2nd and 3rd stage bosses if you parry one good chance you’re going to get 1-2 more in a row (divine thunder only gives you two) and if you really lucky 3-4 in a row to proc scorching. I really think they took a huge step forward from last season about “forcing people to go one build to be successful/clear things with tremendous luck too” (cough cough Yama 58+) and still kept the competitive grinding aspects to get top times. It caters to both the competitive players and the causal players.

[dusk plover]

Wasn’t implementing single player anything when I added that example it’s just that was the most recent and best example that can to my mind at the time with a reward to play/play longevity system. Could of used cod as an example, but yeah was just trying to help explain why it’s always been that way (metas in multiplayers) and will most likely continue to be that way. This time around comparatively isn’t even that bad given what’s needed to go for it but either way nothing to quit a game about.

[fierce light]

Small update this week

[hearty rivet]

yeah, turns out my lazy Omnius orb yesterday was a bug after all.

[fierce light]

Sounds like we have Matron coming up

[dusk plover]

In Yama or new matron level?

[fierce light]

In Yama's

[dusk plover]

Well that sounds like a good time. Wonder what the other two levels will be then

Atleast we get a flux shard today

[hearty rivet]

from the omens one will probably have sorcerers and bomb dudes

[dusk plover]

I honestly don’t like the new sorcerer guys, them and the new bombers are annoying but it’s nice to get some new mobs 😓😅

[long grove]

@fierce light i write u a dm. I dont know if u see the message , can you look maybe ?😅😇

[hollow herald]

Is it true that Nirriti's Ruins reward souljades with the same sense-level regardless the difficulty level?

[hidden creek]

yes

[fierce light]

There, got every single Anima Ring out the way.

[fierce light]

Now I can zoom through without trying to get any specific thing.

[torpid night]

What are the correct ways to level up and obtain higher level souljades?

[torpid night]

You are a very impressive individual.

[fierce light]

• Level your Souljades evenly.
• Run through Nirriti Ruins • Normal till around 820-850 Sense.
• Run through Enigma Domain, kill the first 3 bosses and leave, until you can comfortably fully clear it.
• After 1010 Sense you can run Enigma Domain or Nirriti. Enigma Domain drops more Souljades per Fatigue, but costs Rune Keys to enter.

Once the fatigue change kicks in, going to be able to burn my fatigue quicker than last season with Void Space.

[torpid night]

I barely understand how fatigue works....

Thank you for the souljade method. I shall use it now. Your well of knowledge makes me jealous and appreciative all at once, lol.

[fierce light]

Fatigue is just a stamina system. Kinda like in a mobile game that limits your plays per day, except it's weekly for Naraka and you can still play, just won't receive any rewards when it's spent.

Nice I got under 3 minutes!

[hidden creek]

@fierce light somehow the no1 yama wuchen in sea still running skyfire build

and not even with copper ward

[fierce light]

Yeah I got a decent time using it

Guess it wasn't nerfed as much as a thought. It helps that you can get Divine Storm alongside it now.

[hidden creek]

what divine storm?

[fierce light]

On the blue tree

[hidden creek]

the lightning bolts dmg increase by 25%?

[fierce light]

Yeah it's a 1.25 multiplier

[torpid night]

Mine barely goes up. I gets so caught up in doing things correctly, plus additional things that Indo not play much.

[fierce light]

Yeah your first 600 fatigue is the most important.

If you spend it in Enigma Domain, you'll get more Souljades.

Nirriti's Ruins gives more Crystals.

[torpid night]

I do not even know how to spend them, lol.

In nirritis ruin, when it says discard anima rings, it means from that run, not the ones collected prior right?

[fierce light]

Every mission you do consumes fatigue, unless you turn it off

[fierce light]

It let's you choose what Anima Ring you want to discard that you have currently equipped.

[torpid night]

That is what the +30 means?

I have some that say 12/12. So everytime I do a run when I select that one it gives me the 12/12 value for that run?

I do not see enigma domain on my screen.

[fierce light]

12/12? Are you talking about the blessing? That just means you have a total value of 12 Anima Rings for that Collection. A Collection is just Anima Rings that all focus on a certain thing (Survival being focused on increasing your Survival, Ranged being focused on boosting Ranged Weapons, etc).

[fierce light]

Enigma Domain is under Morus Isle. If it's not there, you probably have some Chapter missions you still have to do to unlock it.

[torpid night]

I believe so? That is a lot to process lol. They are not all related to one anima ring?

[fierce light]

The yellow arrows in this image point to the Collection that an Anima Ring belongs to.
The red arrows point towards how close you are to the Blessing for that Collection.

Blessings are just additional bonuses that appear when you get 4 and 12 Anima Rings under certain Collections. It'll tell you what they do when you hover over them.

[dusk crystal]

Hello all I just back to the game I find new chapter and souljades- what’s the best build know for viper .?

[fierce light]

Best build: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266668634609025076/1282770451101388916/image.png?ex=66e33394&is=66e1e214&hm=7d8de35ec6ba6ba93701a9f0d74222c246f10f482ca196b28652d5a058abca3f&

• Not worth running if you don't have at least +6 [Scorching]
  Attributes
• [Scorching] (up to +12)
• [Windfall]
• Attack
• Health
• DMG to Boss (Placeholder)
• Melee Weapon DMG (Placeholder)

[dusk crystal]

This only viper?

[fierce light]

For everyone atm

[dusk crystal]

Ok thx .

[torpid night]

Teachers need to learn from you.

[dusk crystal]

👏

[fierce light]

Wow there's another tier for this quest

[thorn narwhal]

they didn't mention anything related to nirrit's leveling just fatigue

[limpid pecan]

@fierce light whats fastest to farm nirriti normal? cannon tarka seems to work best for me

[fierce light]

@limpid pecan Just been using Viper.

Cursed Chests can appear on Normal

[limpid pecan]

what build u go for?

and whats so good about her?

[hearty rivet]

@fierce light sorry, I have a few more dumm questions:
In the poison moderation build moderation is needed to burn the targets often for many hydroflares to keep the incinerate buff up (and for the extra arcane thunder damage)?

In the Viper ice moderation build moderation was needed, as I understand, for the same reasons and to keep your skill ready in case of imminent self-freeze?

[fierce light]

[Moderation] is what makes the build work. Particular on Viper her Ability has a lot of elemental accumulation on it, that you can proc them off-cooldown. Incineration only works cause there's Skilled Fire Chant in the Potential Tree that gives you a free Burn when you use a skill. Hydro's Bound & Frost Douse allow the element proc to Soak enemies. So Incineration relies entirely on the potential while Arcane Thunder relies on [Moderation] to be worth.

[fierce light]

She has AoE in her Charged Attack if you lined up the enemies for it.

Her Ultimate allows you to down the boss as you enter and kill it before it even gets up.

Her Ability hits really hard, so it's good with any of the cooldown Anima Rings.

Her Pistol is good for taking out enemies that're high up.

[dusk plover]

@fierce light well I’m really hoping they fix this drop rate issue on this update

Potion gold key 150% rewards only got 4 crystals 1 gold 5 purple and rest blues

[hearty rivet]

Thank you! Didn't know about that extra elemental accumulation on her Ability.

[limpid pecan]

btw i am kinda wondering about elixir

it feels like it adds +100% rewards, not double

i remember in old voidspace at 150% rewards without elixir i got sometimes even like 8-9 crystals

but with elixir i was getting like 11-12 max or so

[tropic bramble]

What’s the best poison set up for valda

[drifting lance]

🎉 | shotgün leveled up!

[fierce light]

I don't think it's going to affect Enigma, but might see a change in Nirriti.

[dusk plover]

Geez I hope. Only popped potion and gold because I need jades to deconstruct right now 😭

[fierce light]

I'm leaning towards:
Core

• Noxious Blast
• Pestilent Pool
• Infectious Touch
• Miasma Drive
  Specialized
• Crescent Slam • Ice-Wielding
• Defuse • Solidification (Boss-centric) ↔ Thunder Mastery (Mob-centric)

CS IW allows you to proc Poison Blast in 1 hit on small enemies and 4 hits for bosses (down from 2 hits & 5 hits).

[hearty rivet]

These weapon specific non-poison-wielding souljades are good for poison because the changed attacks become better / do more damage than the same attack without the souljade?
IIRC you suggested Yotohime and Temulch too to use aerial rend ice-wielding as their 6th souljade.

[fierce light]

Cyan Fang doesn't work on Heavy Weapons.

In Valda's case it's cause Cyan Fang is really clunky on Spear/Staff.

[hearty rivet]

Didn't know that 👀 But why an ice-wielding souljade then? Sorry, I'm ignorant, only used Kurumi's vertical blink strike-thunder wielding sj so far in her Blink Strike thunderbolt build.

[fierce light]

It hits slightly harder than the Thunder-Wielding version some reason, at least it did last I tested.

They both have the same proc rate though.

[hearty rivet]

Wait, do they proc poison blast faster? o.o

[fierce light]

Yes, cause higher base damage

[hearty rivet]

Ok, understood, thx ^^

[neat yarrow]

Whole time I thought everyone just tanked it

[fierce light]

In her stage you hug the pillars facing opposite of her. But in Yama's you can defuse through it all, won't stun you so it's a lot easier

[neat yarrow]

Normally just put my controller down, catch a water break, and accept my fate now I know though, thanks!

[hearty rivet]

Once I saw someone hanging from a pillar while hiding from the lady

[fierce light]

Yeah if you hang just right, the explosions won't hit you and you can avoid the stun.

[lucid ore]

How good is stormstride for wuchen for poison build? You could just run Incineration instead right?

[fierce light]

You don't really activate his ability that often for Incineration to be considered. Even if you do spam it right away, you'll lose DPS doing so.

[lost bronze]

Hi @fierce light

Dmg to boss still effect to boss (in scorching coz it's burn dmg right)?

[fierce light]

It doesn't apply to [Scorching] afaik.

[lost bronze]

so if we want high dmg with scorching build should increase only Health % and atk +12 scroching

[fierce light]

BiS is 4x [Scorching], 8x [Windfall], 6x Attack, 6x Health.

[lost bronze]

Thanks Master

[fierce light]

👀

[tropic bramble]

Does the scorching build need to be thunder?

[fierce light]

You can use it on any build, it's just that Thunder one has the highest activation rate. Wielding type can be Poison or Ice.

[tropic bramble]

Use to get scorchings all the time and now they won’t give me them anymore

[solemn obsidian]

Does anyone know where Spring's Call drops?

[lucid ore]

Who uses cyan fang, or who can use cyan fang?

[lucid ore]

Miasma Swirl specifically, but you can farm other to rng it after you unlock it.

[lost bronze]

Cyan fang is the third strike of Horizontal Attack Combo

[solemn obsidian]

Thanks I was trying to piece together a build, but found one that's probably better for me

[lucid ore]

yes... but who can use that

[lost bronze]

should be Viper or taka as I see

[fiery rock]

What potential have you been using on this?

[amber terrace]

@fierce light after update Nirriti Ruin drop better enigma 9k luck?

[lucid ore]

6 carved jade in Ruin now. It's nice

[amber terrace]

normal or nightscream?

used exilir?

[twin ledge]

Got another now just need to get scorch to turn to the 2nd windfall on my springs call then I can finally just work on maxing %

[lucid ore]

both, I did 1 normal and 1 nightscream got 6 each. No elix

[amber terrace]

Nice

[hard glade]

Viper, Kurumi, Tarka & Matari

[drifting lance]

🎉 | HeroZone leveled up!

[amber terrace]

Valda Cui

[flat pier]

@fierce light you have updated guides out yet.. ?

your poison build in pinned messages still the best poison build?

wow 26GB update 😮

[pearl raft]

Which hero's I play to get useless rock ?

[late raptor]

Viper

[twin ledge]

Seems hard is best for curse boxes in my experience

Couldn’t even get them to spawn nightscream or legend and just 1 for normal

Yea I’m getting 2 everytime I do hard

Oh lol just as I said that hard didn’t drop the 2nd one

[fathom bobcat]

Viper, Tarka, Matari, Temulch, Yoto

[pearl raft]

@late raptor @fathom bobcat thank u ❤️

[hard glade]

After back to back normal run, finally got Useless rock & inferno hero!!!

Now just need Gambit....

Any idea how to find Gambit fast ?

[twin ledge]

I gave up on it no matter how many I played not one of them appeared so I’m not even gonna look for it anymore

[hard glade]

Which hero you played with?

I was running with viper, matari, Temulch & taka.. but got lucky with viper

[twin ledge]

Mainly 3 viper tarka and wuchen but I was trying tarka and viper for the red one but gave up

I wasn’t using wuchen to get red my bad

Just the 3 I mainly use in showdown

But tarka and viper I use or was using to try for red but no luck

[grim girder]

Wow, there's no one who beat Yama's Abyss Astral 3 as Temulch. Is Temulch so weak or the stage is just so difficult?

or it's just the EU server

[hard glade]

Ah I see

[twin ledge]

No just think no one likes using him his attacks are boring for me

[grim girder]

I feel like Yoto is a worse version of Temulch. They are both Greatsword, but Temulch's F destroys astral aegis, while Yoto's F basically does nothing except blocking regular mobs.

[twin ledge]

Nah yoto is def better in my opinion

Her defuse is better

I just don’t think people like tem defuse mainly

[hidden creek]

yoto defuse counter attack shts on temmy's lol

[twin ledge]

And here we go with this lag and dc me every fcking update the game gets worse with it

[grim girder]

I see many people have great results with Viper this season. What's her trick?

[twin ledge]

Game keeps giving me more reasons for it to be deleted

[grim girder]

her dps always seemed low to me

[twin ledge]

They using thunder counter with Draco?

[grim girder]

yes

but anyone can use that, why Viper?

[twin ledge]

That build is insanely strong

Nah u need at least 12 scorching on it

Oh character

And idk I’m na

All characters are used in na

[grim girder]

can you have 2 scorching on 1 souljade?

12 is insane amount

[twin ledge]

Yea

[flat pier]

yeah

[twin ledge]

12 is max

[grim girder]

wow

[flat pier]

first rare attribute, you can get by recasting, second rare must be unlocked by flux jade

[twin ledge]

But not on jade just saying 12 is max scorch u can do in dmg

[grim girder]

I have 1 scorching, 2 windfalls and 1 moderation across ALL of my souljades, having 4 of the same is insane

[grim girder]

That explains a lot. So Flux Jades should be saved for the second rare attribute

[flat pier]

yeah

and you only get 3 per season... so...

[grim girder]

I'm not sure if 2 windfalls and 2 slots for normal attributes are better than 1 windfall and 3 slots for normal attributes. After all windfalls do nothing by themselves, they buff other attributes

hm, if you have both a Windfall and a Scorching or Moderation, does Windfall improve them?

[flat pier]

1 windfall, 1 scorching, attack and health is what you want if you are going hydroflare

[flat pier]

windfall does not improve scorching or moderation, as far as I know.. doesn't increase scorching +#

[grim girder]

2 flux shards are basically the same effect as Flux Jade, right? And flux shards are technically unlimited

[fathom bobcat]

Yes?

[flat pier]

no

[spice canyon]

Theoretically 1 windfall has the same value as 2 windfall in one jade, but in practice 2 windfall are better because usually only 2 attribute you need to focus in one build (attack element, attack hp, etc)

[hidden creek]

wdym no

[twin ledge]

Omg finally done now the hard part is getting those attacks and dmg to boss max %

[flat pier]

flux shards only work for rare attributes to switch between each other o.0 not add an additional rare attribute

[hidden creek]

do you even know what's a flux shard

[flat pier]

i do..

[hidden creek]

read it again

[twin ledge]

No they are not used only for switching a rare u know that?

[fathom bobcat]

What?

[twin ledge]

Any stat when one is used is turned into a rare that u pick

[grim girder]

wait, what? The description says they change selected attribute to a random RARE attribute

actually the description is exactly as Flux Jade's

[twin ledge]

It’s always been like that

[grim girder]

but you need 2 of them

[flat pier]

ahhhh i have only been using them to switch rare attribute

my bad then.. i understood the description wrongly

oh shoot.. i have been wasting flux jades omg

[hidden creek]

yes you did

my god

[twin ledge]

But if u don’t have a rare on the jade yet u can just do normal recast till a rare randomly appears

[flat pier]

oh my effing gods and goddesses

_<

[twin ledge]

I saved my flux till I got rare on my jade by normal recast

[hard glade]

Damn

[twin ledge]

Question is how many did u waste

[flat pier]

2 seasons.. i been wasting flux jades

[hidden creek]

obviously that's the way to go
flux only should be used to add 2nd rare onto a jade with a rare already

[grim girder]

by the way, can you get a rare attribute via recasting by Carved Crystals, or you can only get them when adding new attributes via Shrouded Jade?

[flat pier]

12 XD

[hidden creek]

recast have a chance

[fathom bobcat]

Yeah, that's supposedly how get two to three rare attributes on each jade - using flux shards, which are obtained by some incredible grind of recasting materials.

[twin ledge]

U can get one by recasting but if u already have a rare on that jade u have to use a flux shard to get 2nd rare

[grim girder]

by the way, I still have 900 Quench Crystals for the old recast system, I think it had a better chance for rares

[flat pier]

i feel like i wanna go cry in a dark corner now

[twin ledge]

Don’t save those

[hidden creek]

what the fuck

[twin ledge]

Wait are they not getting rid of old?

I thought this update they were

[flat pier]

not until 24th

[hidden creek]

delayed to 24 sept

[twin ledge]

Oh 24 ok

Yea u prob wanna use those old ones and save the new till 24

[grim girder]

wait, it's just 2 more weeks

I need to spend them

[flat pier]

yeah you do...

oh but now that i know how the shards and jades work, it's not so far away to get 2 rares in all 6 of my souljades

well i mean, it's still so far away... but not as unreachable as i thought before o.0

[fathom bobcat]

Yes, you can do a lot with such treasure.

[flat pier]

thank you @grim girder @hidden creek

[hidden creek]

use them to get high % attributes on ur desired jade

[flat pier]

not enough time, send them my way.. i will spend it for you

[hidden creek]

then change the attributes to which you want using new system

[twin ledge]

But I feel like if I wanna mainly just stick to my thunder build this season I think ima need at least 25% to boss? @hidden creek I can’t seem to tell if dmg to boss really matters

Or do u think dmg to boss is really needed this season?

[hidden creek]

dmg to boss is really like if you don't have any other prio stats

then go for it

[twin ledge]

I have enough flux to do double windfalls on my last 3 jades but feel like losing. Dmg to boss will hurt

[hidden creek]

it doesn't scales with everything

for which one it does and with one it doesn't maybe you wanna ask Dark

[twin ledge]

Well I’m mainly using wuchen tho

[flat pier]

are you using the scorching + thunder counter build?

[twin ledge]

Yea he told me should only go off ur attack and divine but with wuchen dmg to boss helps him do more cause his martial does so much

[twin ledge]

No I’ll never use it I honestly believe it shouldn’t be that strong

[flat pier]

so you using the ice break thundercounter?

[twin ledge]

If not nerfed in some way no one is beating those builds later on in Yama

[twin ledge]

Here

[flat pier]

how long does it take to defeat asura 3 with that?

[twin ledge]

I honestly can’t make up my mind to do more double windfalls but I’m thinking I should just use rest of my flux on burn

[flat pier]

30 seconds? o.0?

[twin ledge]

Asura who that again

[flat pier]

asura 3.. yama abyss

[twin ledge]

I don’t remember names of bosses

Oh

No I used my burn

[flat pier]

astral o.o

[twin ledge]

Thunder won’t keep up with other builds till later on

[hard glade]

Yes would be wise decision

[twin ledge]

Well that thunder build won’t

[flat pier]

what's the best build for astral o.0?

[twin ledge]

Yea already have 6 scorching and 3 jades with windfall thinking of trying for 12 scorching on burn

No clue but I would say thunder burn

[flat pier]

oh the 12 scorching one o.0

@tabbie, i lost the screenshot, sorry. can i get the poison blast build and potential again please? XD

[twin ledge]

No just 12 scorching not with thunder

And tbh I wouldn’t invest into poison too much cause I think burn does more to bosses

[flat pier]

i am thinking about deconstructing my skyfire build for flux shards

or should i still save em?

[hidden creek]

no no poison is legit

depends on bosses

[twin ledge]

That’s what did I have windfall on it and it became the most useless jade I’ve seen

No point keeping mine was the most fun jade to use in my opinion now useless

[flat pier]

it was so much grinding last season to get that windfall into that skyfire... i am having sentimental attachment to it XD

[hidden creek]

poison and stormstride sword (wuchen/feria)

[flat pier]

lolll

[hidden creek]

the rest you go with this

[twin ledge]

Went from doing around 17k each skyfire to 5k

And triggering like every 2 defuse just one time when I could trigger it 3 or 2 times last season with 1 defuse with copper

[flat pier]

jades and stats too please please 😄

[hidden creek]

these 4 are mandatory
last 2 is really up to you, just get whatever increase your dmg/elemental accumulation the most

[flat pier]

i want my flux shards back so bad T_T

[twin ledge]

Ngl I got rid of all my poison jades and ima keep getting rid of them because last season burned me out building 4 builds at once so not building anymore till my burn and divine is fully done

[hidden creek]

poison build is literally old skyfire build and thunderpull build combine

[flat pier]

any idea what i should use for the last 2?

[twin ledge]

Ik it’s good just don’t like poison just feels weird in my opinion don’t like how it works

They adding all the elements into the game with not much potential wonder how some of these elements gonna be like 4 seasons from now unless they make potential bigger

[flat pier]

honestly, i don't know how to play well with hydroflare and some people are saying easier to play poison.. so imma gonna try building it o.o

[hidden creek]

stormstride sword on feria/wuchen
cyan fang-poison wielding on kurumi/matari/viper
aerial rend-ice wielding on yoto/temmy
eruditon-ice wielding on valda
rest you can go with literally whatever that increase ur dmg/element accumulation: thunder mastery, backfire, defuse solid, defuse aegis...

depends on your playstyle and the boss you gonna face

like if you defuse alot then get the 2 defuse jades

[flat pier]

ah ha

[hidden creek]

poison is really good against some bosses, but also really sucks against some other bosses

if you play hydroflare you mostly rely on defusing (and parrying if you got good amoung of scorching) their attacks to apply the burn, then dash to active draco

but for poison you can just mindlessly spamming ur attacks

and dodging

you can keep your distance

you don't need to stand infront of the boss anymore

[grim girder]

I still only have 1 build and it's complete dogshit because it's the frost one. The reason I have it because I made it 2 seasons ago when it was good and I still haven't maxed my rolls on most attributes.

[hidden creek]

the dmg is good, aegis break is nice

[grim girder]

I don't have enough flux shards for a second build lol

[hidden creek]

like for now if i'm running enigma trio as boss person i just gonna run poison

bcoz the damn stone and dragon omnius attacks is foking annoying

they don't even attack me bruh

like 50% of the time they're aiming at some invisible ghost standing outside the fight area

not to mention aggro goes all over the place too

[grim girder]

Stone omnius is easy in both phases. For me the hardest one is the Void and Beast. They rarely use Focus attacks and in general their attack delays are random and damage is insane

[hidden creek]

and poison build is GREAT for mobbing

i didn't said it's hard ot easy

the thing is they just do random attacks into random places

[grim girder]

true

[hidden creek]

they didn't even attack me for me to defuse or parry

so if i run hydroflare with scorching i lose dmg

so i'd rather just run poison and spam my charge attack onto their faces

[grim girder]

I really struggle with boses who use little focus attacks. Korvine is by far the most difficut for me with Omnius Void being the close second. I also hate Matron of Yushan 2nd phase, sometimes she goes into focus attack spam mode and becomes very easy, but most of the times she doesn't use focus at all.

[hidden creek]

dumb f*ck just jump accross the fight area all the way to the otherside then refuse to move

like wtf

I'M

RIGHT HERE

WHERE ARE YOU GOING

[grim girder]

Why people like Arcane Thunder? The idea is to stack Moderation and use F on short cooldown?

I can see Viper's F spam being useful to quickly destroy aegis, but I can't even imagine how many Moderation you need for that. 6+ it seems

[hard glade]

Because of this, #👾┃showdown message

[hard glade]

100% moderation is needed & more than that doesn't work. So need 4 moderations with max stats.

Luckily my ice build last season had Moderation on my Arcane thunder

[twin ledge]

Imagine they adding something like u recasted a jade a certain amount of time u can pick what rare stat u want

But I feel like if they did this it should be 1k

[hard glade]

Or atleast it should say when you will get a rare ... For example after 60 recast guaranteed rare..

[grim girder]

They won't add "choose a rare". The Flux Shard that gives random rare is already Red quality and 3 only per season. They understand that choosing a rare is going to be too impactful.

well, if there's ever going to be quality above red in the game, then maybe

[twin ledge]

Ik that’s why I said imagine

[grim girder]

but I belive that it would be unobtanium

[twin ledge]

And cn would get so mad about it most likely making them not do it

[grim girder]

I can imagine them adding quality above red that's only available for example for those who win on betting during tournaments or for those who achieve rank 1-3 in the ladder at the end of the season.

[twin ledge]

But in my opinion i honestly don’t believe they should add anything that can allow u to pick the rare u want

[grim girder]

but not something you can just grind for

[twin ledge]

It would just make all the old players work mean nothing while new players can easily catch up without much work well stat stats not skills tho

[grim girder]

well, the thing is even the grind is limited in Naraka, you only have 2k fatique to work with per week. Even if you use all 2k each week, you only get so many souljades for recasting. It's almost impossible to get full set of rares during 1 season.

[twin ledge]

But still want new players to go through are torture of farming lol

No I use elixers all the way through farming

So I get a pretty good amount from that

[grim girder]

elixers just save you the time, they give double reward but also double fatique, you can't get above 2k limit

[twin ledge]

Like I use elixer all the way through just speeds up my farming

[twin ledge]

Oh ik but once ur around 100% to 75% chances of more stuff will drop

Just wished they did change how elixers work

And not just make u farm faster all the way through

Like increase drops by a little more at least cause these drops not good at all was running ruins and drops don’t seem different than last weeks

[fierce light]

It works on anyone but Temulch, Yoto Hime & Yueshan cause they have heavy weapons.

[twin ledge]

Oh dark u see what I said about the curse boxes

Out of 5 games only of the games on hard gave just 1 and the other 4 gave 2

But could only ever get 1 cruse to appear on normal and some reason I couldn’t get them on nightscream or legend

[fierce light]

I've gotten all the secrets on Normal tbh.

[fierce light]

Yoto's F does decent Aegis-Damage as well.

[fierce light]

As long as you have 4x [Scorching], 8x [Windfall], 6x Attack and 6x Health, you're good. It doesn't matter how many are on each jade.

[grim girder]

Some guy from SEA managed to beat Yama's Abyss Astral 3 as Temulch on EU server. 4:30, but at least it's doable after all.

[fierce light]

Worst rate tbh. ~60 Crystals for an expansion for a chance at a rare and I'd only get a rare 1/8 times.

[fierce light]

I recommend Crescent Slam • Ice-Wielding over Erudition • Ice-Wielding. While it does only take 3 Eruditions to proc Poison Blast vs 4 on Crescent Slam, you can get those 4 out quicker than 3 Eruditions.

[fierce light]

Yeah I'll probably still just run through normal though. By the time my fatigue is consumed should have the challenge complete.

[fierce light]

Ah that's why Skyfire performed so well, I forgot it performs better the more you overlevel your enemy.

[hidden creek]

oh?

[twin ledge]

Oh u can turn fatigue off and leave once u open the one before 2nd boss or if there isn’t one

Still counts

[fierce light]

Yup, not in that much of a rush to complete the quest though

Was only saving fatigue for the Nirriti change

[twin ledge]

Drops don’t seem much different

But could be just because only did a few with fatigue on

[fierce light]

First run: 3:13 Time

[grim girder]

wow, the Speedrun is actually quite easy this week

managed to beat it with random teammates on the first try

no Looming Shadow = easy

I won't be surprised if some top player could clear it solo

[fierce light]

2nd run: 3:26 Time

[hard glade]

Drops are looking better than last week but also at the same time can end 2400/2400 faster than last week

[fierce light]

Yeah better than the 2-3 Crystals I was getting

Times 1.5 would make it 3-4.5 crystals, but I'm getting more than that so far

The game seems to round up the number of drops you get at higher fatigue costs. Hence why using Elixir tends to net better drops than not.

[limpid pecan]

tarka is better no?

ill see whats the lowest i can get

average time prolly around 3min

[fierce light]

I average around that time too

[limpid pecan]

btw do u take nirriti codex?

i usually skip it unless i repair cannon at the end of run

and its on the way

the full run time is something like 6-7 min i guess

including all shopping etc

and loading between zones

[fierce light]

Yeah I take them, takes like 2-3 s to check if it's any good

Shop wise I just buy Attack and Aegis Damage buffs

Boss stages I go in, Ult, and kill them before they get up

[limpid pecan]

with tarka first boss dies to fireballs from ult

last 2 bosses depends

i try to get poison lvl 4 blessing

to burst them down quick

[tardy moss]

whats a good build for kurumi and valda? also im only snese 750 should i bother with builds or just try and farm my way up to a certain sense?

[limpid pecan]

defuse flame blade is good sometimes too

[limpid pecan]

may be why u got lower time i guess

im still wondering whats best

if i get good buff in codex

it may cut down boss time quite a bit

[fierce light]

That still requires 2 poison blasts for the big burst tho

More helpful for mobbing

[limpid pecan]

on mobs it doesnt trigger

[fierce light]

Defuse Flame Blade never shows up for me

[limpid pecan]

they die in 1 cannon shot small mobs

and big ones in 2-3

[fierce light]

Yeah mobs do die too quick

Single uncharged pistol shot takes out the smaller ones

[limpid pecan]

with tarka some stages i clear in 5 sec or so

im just wondering whats the best bossing setup

i found focusing on defuses/aegis breaks to bring down aegis quick

seems to work best

[fierce light]

I just spam Charge into Aegis-Break and when my Ultimate pops I use her ability

[limpid pecan]

maybe tarka + viper is good for farming duo trio nirriti

viper can help burst down bos

boss

[fierce light]

Her Ultimate does the full bar already, it's just still good dps on Viper even without Aegis-Break Rage

2x Tarka, 1x Viper

Since you can run duplicate heroes

[limpid pecan]

ye if u have 3 ppl

then sure

yueshan could be decent potentially

but his abilities suck

[flat pier]

do you guys deconstruct all the epics and legendary souljades?

or use them for sense lvl up?

[fierce light]

Deconstruct

[flat pier]

thank you

is the armored artist souljade any good?

no body uses that in any build right?

[fierce light]

Sometimes Codex gives you bosses with decreased health and aegis, those are both helpful for speed as well

[fierce light]

No, the long cooldown hurts it

[flat pier]

thanks.. deconstruct it is

[limpid pecan]

yeah. maybe its worth to check them until u get boss picker

i usually check them since i repair cannon after killing last mob

but if i get sturdy weapon ring

then i can just skip them

[fierce light]

Generally they're worth unless it's the discard 2-3 one

[limpid pecan]

the discard ones are too much time to click them

and they grief with weapon serration

so repair boxes are only restoring half

[fierce light]

It gives me stuff related to what I picked usually

[tardy moss]

whats the best way to level sense?

[limpid pecan]

ye thats why it almost always give me serration

since its ranged ring

and i pick ranged

[fierce light]

1. Nirriti's Ruins (until 820-850 Sense).
2. Enigma Domain (clear first 3 Bosses and leave).
3. Enigma Domain (fully clear when it becomes comfortable).

[limpid pecan]

for better cannon farming

[tardy moss]

does it matter which nirriti i do?

[fierce light]

Another reason I like Viper is I can go any of the damaging collections and be fine. Element, Awakening, Burn & Yin Yang.

[fierce light]

Can just run Normal for the quickest.

[tardy moss]

thanks

[dense osprey]

focus on one jade to get to the max season drop level (right now 1010), then spam nirriti's ruins

[tardy moss]

wait i just level 1 jade to 1010?

[dense osprey]

yeah

that's what i did

[tardy moss]

Noted! Thanks

[fierce light]

Sense Level of jades seem to increase per run regardless of if you level or not some reason

[primal stream]

is there a possibility to transfer sub attributes from one jade to another ? i have 2 red attributes on one jade but no use for it

[fierce light]

Using the old system, yeah

No way to guarantee it though

[primal stream]

[fierce light]

Sounds like fun with Ember

[hearty rivet]

Is it just me or Bough (2nd phase)'s jump into the air and grow brambles anywhere attack causes a stutter/lagspike/whatever in yama more frequently than in storymode/nirriti? O.o

[limpid pecan]

o ye i had something like that happen too

[hearty rivet]

Will try to dial down my graphics settings or something o_O It's super deadly in yama

[hidden creek]

so if i just want sj for dissasemble then just run nirriti normal right?

same sj quantity/quality across all difficulty?

[fierce light]

Enigma has the highest rate of Souljades per Fatigue. Nirriti the best rate of Crystals.

[hidden creek]

even with normal key?

[fierce light]

Yeah. Gold Keys having the best ratio.

[hidden creek]

[fierce light]

Wow the drops are actually pretty good now, thank you Netease

[hidden creek]

so this is true?

[fierce light]

Quality seems equal

Well Legendary Rune Keys has the best quality, but it's by a negligible amount.

[hidden creek]

oge

thanks

[primal stream]

if anyone wanna know what the next badge looks like

[limpid pecan]

its with elixir?

or without

[fierce light]

Without, proof is in the battle pass xp

[limpid pecan]

wow thats some juicy drops

old void space was like 8-9 crystals at most without elixir

[twin ledge]

Yea I’ve seen it

Pretty nice just wish it wasn’t silver tbh

[primal stream]

i think it will change even more later

[twin ledge]

Yea it does

I’m at 971 and it says it changes at 1000 or 1200

[primal stream]

oh gl for 1k xD

[twin ledge]

Whenever u unlock those 2 achievements it changes again

Oh I’m about to be just have to open 18 curses boxes then however many after the 18 lmao

Pain

@fierce light are u on?

[fierce light]

Already done with the 2nd cursed chest quest and at 615 fatigue. Farming is so much quicker now.

[fierce light]

Yeah

[civic anvil]

Who have time for do x5 runs against Gelid Yushan Nightscream ? For get good perks 😬

[solemn obsidian]

Is there a Hydroflare build for Wuchen?

[fierce light]

Same build for everyone, just a matter of if you can land the Draco Stride's consistently.

[solemn obsidian]

Ohh okay is there a demonstration on how to use it properly like a video or explanation somewhere?

[dusk plover]

Won’t be able to get to 1000 until the 24th

It’s capped at 979 until then 😓

[primal stream]

oh i see.. sad

[hidden creek]

https://youtu.be/cgMNpoRC3fA
i still make mistake here and there but this should cover it

hydroflare wuchen core gameplay is you gonna dash cancel your defuse and attack right after

do note that i parry alot bcoz i got 12 scorchings, if you don't have it then it's better just defuse

[solemn obsidian]

Understood and thank you

[dusk plover]

Gold key 150% rewards 🥲

[fierce light]

Yeah Enigma not worth outside of Sense Leveling

[dusk plover]

I need souljades to deconstruct that’s why I’m doing it over nirriti

OKAY GAME JUST COMPENSATED ME FOR THAT CRAP 😭😂😂😂

[flat pier]

so normal nirriti same as hard and nightscream to farm crystals?

[tropic bramble]

@dusk plover same thing happened to me yesterday I wonder if it’s a bug they give a game where it’s full blues and then the next game gives a rare stat

Both games used gold keys

[dusk plover]

Well if it is I hope I get more crap rounds like the first pic lol

[serene ermine]

Question, I played Abyss with friends before but now for some reason can't join when 'in a party' is something wrong there? ❤️

Did I set up the wrong thing? ❤️

[twin ledge]

Yama is solo only this season

[serene ermine]

OHHHHH FAIR! Thank you for cleaning up! ❤️

So soon as Season 14 starts it'll go back to team based? ❤️

[fierce light]

Season 14 is for PvP

Not sure if they're planning on making it Trios again

[twin ledge]

Prob idk never know with naraka tbh like we were all expecting Tessa as next character but just yoto random as

I really sad it wasn’t Tessa and plus I wanted new weapon just not enough to do in showdown they keep doing like this tbh

[serene ermine]

I was so disappointed! New Showdown chapters, massive W and a completely justified reason as to why Xbox One support stopped, but Yoto being the new Hero for it was a massive L ❤️

[twin ledge]

Lmao @darkzero some reason I switched to my thunder burn test build on tarka by accident and didn’t even know till end and almost beat my time with my full burn build

That’s crazy 3 scorching and missing ho on 3 of the jades and still almost beat my time with my fully built burn build idk that’s pretty crazy

I swear I switched to my burn build tho lol

[fierce light]

Yup, probably compensation for Scorching being bad for so long

[twin ledge]

I didn’t even notice tho till like I got stuck and I just countered was confused for a second questioning if it was right stage

[twin ledge]

Yea prob would of like any other character than yoto and def with her using a greatsword is crazy

Want new shit but greatsword I can’t use for a lot of stuff like my thunder build

[whole merlin]

Anyone finished the secret anima ring collections for the ruins? I'm missing 3 one being the useless rock no clue what the other 2 are. The ones I have are Spirit Sap, Divinity Guard, Sheer Momentum, Thundercall Charm, Atomize, Fatal Finish, Aqua Chains, Gambit, Avarice

[fierce light]

They're in the pins

[whole merlin]

Oh awesome thank you still figuring this discord out 🙂

[exotic solstice]

whats good?
can someone show me the best potential tree for this build? (wuchen,feria)
i got this potential, but idk if its the best choice

[fierce light]

When you feel more comfortable running without Armor Guard, you can switch to this for slightly more damage:

[exotic solstice]

thx g

[wispy garnet]

Before reset I did like 30x solo gold key runs. Half of it with yellow potion. So you could say 45x runs. My Chamber gives full luck and believe it or not only 1x rare attribute so far.

Is this for real?!

[quaint tulip]

If you use poison build, arent you need to break boss's astral agegis as fast as possible ?

[fierce light]

Rare Attribute that dropped? I haven't had one in 3 seasons now

[fierce light]

It's convenient, but I wouldn't call it the utmost goal. Toxin Blast already does a lot of Aegis Damage.

[quaint tulip]

About that, should i use incineration instead of stormstride sword for wuchen poison build ?

[tropic bramble]

What’s best Tarka poison build cause cyan fang ain’t it

[fierce light]

It's a bit iffy on him since his ability has a long cooldown and you don't really want to spam it either. So you'd rely on Scorching to proc Incineration.

[quaint tulip]

Real cyan fang only fit with ning

[quaint tulip]

Yeah i have 6 scorching

Soooo its better i think 🤔

[fierce light]

Even then it's pretty iffy

Cause if you're not landing a parry every 10 seconds alongside lining up your Poison Blast's Soak then it's going to be inactive for quite some time.

[wooden mortar]

so any showdown tier list lying around?

[fierce light]

Best way is to compare the times on the leaderboard

[tropic bramble]

You got anything for poison Tarka @fierce light ?

That isn’t cyan fang

[fierce light]

Could run Defuse • Solidification and Petal Fall Flurry • Thunder-Wielding.

Only annoying thing is his Martial Skill feels really bad to use.

[fierce light]

Ngl it's nice seeing 10 crystals from a run at 1200+ fatigue. But now there's not enough Souljade Fragments 😭

[polar light]

Same here

The drops are much better after the last update

But u will run low on fragments fast

[wooden mortar]

is there any other hero that can spam horizontal third strike forever when equipped with cyan fang like Viper Ning

[hearty rivet]

Is this how Feria/Wuchen poison potential should look like? (Solidificaiton + stormstride sword)

[fierce light]

Nope, just her

[fierce light]

Looks good.

[fiery rock]

Is there a specific potential you’re using for this build?

[fierce light]

Just the standard hydroflare set up.

[fiery rock]

Thanks man

It’s a really big help

[zealous perch]

What works for Yoto?

.

[dusk plover]

So who that it was a good idea to make enigma JUST spawn rock and water set monsters?

[hushed drift]

anyone have any tips on Yama Abyss Astral 2. My level is 1016 and she wrecks me

[tall cove]

im new to showdown was wondering if anyone would be willing to trio

[limpid pecan]

drops feel really good after nirrit fatigue update

btw whats the best way to put multiple rrare attributes on jade?

should i just stack them on bad jades and then deconstruct them?

[round glacier]

Probably go for them on the jade you want

It will be rng as well if you do it the other route anyways

[limpid pecan]

yeah but i cant recast another rare if there is one on it already

[round glacier]

Ah okay

Then first get one on the jade you want

And then what you suggest

[tall cove]

do people usually solo showdown?

[round glacier]

I run solo 99% of the time

[tall cove]

oh

[round glacier]

Doom is only stuff i look for a group

You can try showdown lfg to find players though

[zealous perch]

Anyone know what set works best for Yoto?

[primal stream]

what in the world of naraka...

27 sec

i was thinking it's scorch + hp + ice jades

not thunder

[forest drum]

so why does it say thunder?

or u mean the element?

[river stratus]

scorching with tons of HP

[primal stream]

yeah cause of the potential tree i hope they nerf it soon

[hidden creek]

they already did

[primal stream]

sub stat on the jade, scorching

[hidden creek]

previous season it was higher

[primal stream]

but there was no potential like this

still a risky build

[hidden creek]

wdym ''no potential like this''?

it was the core for burn/hydroflare builds last season

[primal stream]

dunno, i didnt see this one (before)

[hidden creek]

lol

[primal stream]

thunder, rage and ice last season as i know

or i already forgot

[hidden creek]

it was there and was exactly the same just higher hp to burn dmg conversion rate

[primal stream]

[primal stream]

show me please

[hidden creek]

go look for it yourself

🤷‍♂️ i'm lazy

[primal stream]

ahaha okay, i see

good to know

[wispy garnet]

Question: The best way to get rare attributes is by recast a lot of times, right?

If I already have one rare stat on a jade can it happen again on the 3 other substats? or only possible with purple / red stone

[hidden creek]

1: yes
2: no

[wispy garnet]

Then some ppl are insanely lucky having like 2 full builds (12x jades) with double rare substats in each jade😮

[hidden creek]

alot of luck and alot of grind yes

[wispy garnet]

So the best Ritual is to recast all 6 Jades to have one rare

afterwards recasting random/different jade and dismantle for purple stone

take 2 of em and put on jade with only one rare

[hidden creek]

though if i remember correctly you can use old system to transfer a rare attribute on one jade to another jade which already has a rare attribute

[hidden creek]

correct

flux jade and flux shards should only be used to make 2nd rare on a jade

[hallow drum]

Hi guys. Is there a website where i can check all the souljades in showdown mode.

[hidden creek]

there's ingame feature

[fierce light]

Blazing Flame is weaker this season than it was before. It's just that now there's a potential you can grab called Water and Fire Raged.

[primal stream]

oh i see

[fierce light]

Can confirm Water and Fire Raged is a straight x1.3 multiplier on your remaining Burn DMG.

[sage oriole]

need advice for solar 1 stage

anyone he;p me

[ebon parrot]

oh wow normal drops gold too? i thought gold only dropped in hard and nightscream cuz of the "mid tier/hgih tier drops"

[fierce light]

https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1283843960820989952

Not really sure on the drop rates exactly, but yeah you can get all of the standard gold drops.

[fierce light]

What's on that stage?

[ebon parrot]

Uhh Lowkey not helpful but get ur sense over the recommended I think it’s recommended like 990 or smt right

[sage oriole]

twins

[ebon parrot]

Ooh

[sage oriole]

955

[ebon parrot]

If u

Push them together

[fierce light]

Yeah don't recommend doing them below the recommended sense.

[ebon parrot]

And then just hit both at same time

I used Féria

Cuz her defuse

Can push pretty far

[ebon parrot]

I recommend

[sage oriole]

i did that but they dont get damage when they have astral aegis

[ebon parrot]

Uhh well if they’re next to each other, it’s just beating them up at that point

If aegis is too heavy, then it’s probably sense level not enuf

Gotta love that dmg bonus

[sage oriole]

yeah

mysense 0

940

[fierce light]

Poison builds knock their aegis out pretty quick and Burn builds just go right through it.

[ebon parrot]

yea i used tarka hydroflare

feria has a skyfire one

[ebon parrot]

o i thought he meant that this had the omen where they dont take dmg if shield is up

oopsies

[fierce light]

It does

Also with Impassable they mainly throw out Focus Attacks and they take heavy aegis damage from parries.

[sage oriole]

done

at 940 sense

gonna try solar 2 rn

[solemn obsidian]

Is there a current tier list for Showdown?

[sage oriole]

the same as before

[solemn obsidian]

Well I haven't seen any so was curious Lol

[sage oriole]

it is just in the neighbour of your lobbie

you can check it ther

[solemn obsidian]

Hmm gotcha I'll look around

[fierce light]

Best bet is comparing the times on the leaderboards.

[solemn obsidian]

Thanks I'll take a look

[amber terrace]

@fierce light any trick good to farm crystals or jades?

[fierce light]

Crystals seem to be Nirriti's Ruins. Souljades seem to be slightly better in Enigma.

[amber terrace]

[hearty rivet]

Are Viper's ice moderation build or the anyhero's poison build good for Enigma? With the standard hydroflare build I'm always worried about running out of time with how much time the dragon boss spends prancing around instead of attacking me :S

[hidden creek]

i'm at 100% buff and 3x enigma has given me nothing but greens

[hidden creek]

poison wuchen

my fastest was 8 mins

i know someone who finished it in 6 mins

also with poison wuchen

[hearty rivet]

Oh nice, will give it a try! o.o Yesterday on mine map with impassable omen I had a ~17 minutes run with hydroflare Yotohime 😔 impassable didn't help either but last two bosses took like forever to kill

[fierce light]

Yeah probably only worth with 3x Legendary Rune Keys atm

[hidden creek]

yeah with current enigma bosses it's hard to make use of hydroflare

since they keep jumping around and missing their attacks on purpose

[hearty rivet]

yeah

[fierce light]

What Sense Level are you? I managed to bring my clear time down to 5:35 with Wuchen Poison Build with investment from the 1st Week's Crystal drops.

[hidden creek]

previous season with fire and thunder omnius is way better

rock and dragon omnius are cancer

[hearty rivet]

was 1029 😔

[fierce light]

Hydroflare only worth if you're on trios and you can boss

[hearty rivet]

Yeaaah so different! After last season's super aggressive and proactive bosses now we get these unmotivated ones and jokesters.

[fierce light]

Found the Poison Cannon build:

[river stratus]

this is good even with boss ? or mobs only like ice cannon?

[fierce light]

Ranged pretty much never good against bosses

Unless they just have a bunch of small mobs grouped around them

[river stratus]

[fierce light]

Hmm I wonder why Ice Cannon build didn't use Thunder Cannon either. Same amount of shots to proc Ice Blast, but they don't have to stand in an area.

[modest glen]

Can you build a fire potential map?

[dusk plover]

Last season had fire thunder rock and matron phases. Was only missing water and korvine. Now it’s just water and rock phase which is stupid asf that they couldn’t just add in water phase into the rotation.

@fierce light any chance you know if there’s any prerequisite for the recharge recover ring (new gold survival ring)? I’ve literally maxed out all the nirriti quest stuff (except for curse chest) and still have only gotten 1/3 on that ring going survival only 90% of the time😓

[hearty rivet]

Wait in enigma trios you had different bosses? 👀 Or that's enigma peak?

[tranquil beacon]

Thanks to this message I tried it out in Nirriti legend solo and finally got my first clear with it ❤️ tysm, I was struggling

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Tarosse leveled up!
ℹ | Level up messages can be disabled for the guild with owo level disabletext

[fierce light]

Hydroflare

[fierce light]

Skyfire Storm

[dusk plover]

Last season in enigma domain (only did solos for grinding) had fire thunder rock phases and matron that appeared as bosses. Only bosses missing were water and korvine, given they were the newest that’s understandable. Idk why they didn’t just add water and korvine to the rotation instead of taking everyone out but rock and water

[fierce light]

Don't think it has a prerequisite, I had to luck out and get it on the first boss and then got a double upgrade codex for it.

[dusk plover]

I figured 😢 I’ve gotten that codex a couple of times when I’ve had it but never had recharge recover pop up in it

[hearty rivet]

👀 I'm playing only since 1.5 but haven't met any bosses but metal and fire Omni in solo enigma.
But now that you mention it I have a faint memory of having seen matron in an ice enigma peak attempt.

[dusk plover]

Unless they changed it on some update last few weeks that changed it to just those two phases in enigma domain then you’re just remembering wrong. Let me double check if I have some clips from last season to prove it. Yeah enigma peak ice wielding had matron too and thunder wielding had thunder/metal phase mostly with their eerie forms

[hearty rivet]

Oh it makes sense, I played enigma peak only once or twice and can't remember the bosses (was mobkilling). 😓 Mainly played enigma topaz solo with mountain giant, mechadude (forgot his name), and fire + metal omni.

BUt peak enigma hasn't opened this season maybe there'll be a bigger boss diversity in those games.

[dusk plover]

Well usually you only run peak until you get all 8 bosses, no real reason to run it anymore after that unless helping others clear it

Rewards aren’t good/better than just running domain

[hollow herald]

Can I somehow "transfer" scorching attribute from an unused souljade to one that I use?

[dusk plover]

Only if you have any more old carved jades left and do the old recast system which will be fully gone I think on the 24th

[steady oxide]

@fierce light What does attribute bonus level mean?

it says 18?

What is that?

[steady oxide]

Where do I upgrade this fire forged?

Nvm found it

Thanks thanks

[fluid berry]

finally hit my head into a wall running through showdown solo. the crystal defense on hard, i think imma just have to overgear it to win i guess

[fierce light]

None Shall Pass? I think they do still need to work on those Wave Defense Missions for Solo Mode.

[fluid berry]

immovable was the one i was on, but yeah theres another after, i forgor 💀

[hearty rivet]

Good to know, thanks!

[fierce light]

Dunno why this is a thing though

[narrow onyx]

heyhey, what's the fastest way now to farm senselevel?

[hidden creek]

😂

that's what i've been talking about

100% buff and i rarely even get purples not to mention gold

[amber terrace]

[fierce light]

Current builds so far:

[fierce light]

Now we just need a mission to farm Souljade Fragments and we'll have a decent gameplay loop.

[fierce light]

Nirriti's Ruins Normal, until you can clear Enigma Domain.

[hidden creek]

huh defuse solidification increase element accumulation too? i thought it only increase elemental damage?

[twin ledge]

That’s what I use to think I really thought it was elemental dmg

[fierce light]

Increases attack and elemental accumulation. Think it was a typo in the new description they gave it with Poison being added.

It's not as effective as Tundra Might is for Ice though, since it just adds 40% instead of multiply by 1.4.

[tropic bramble]

@fierce light what about thunder hydroflare potential

[fierce light]

Same potential as Hydroflare. Hydroflare is the overwhelming majority of its damage.

[safe thicket]

Anyone down to play showdown (hard)

[limpid pecan]

this is the dumbest challenge of the season

apparently it counts elemental blessing as category too...

i had to resort to not selecting any rings after i get forced to pick wrong collection

[fierce light]

Yeah there's a lot of different collections

[limpid pecan]

i was thinking

would be better if they made higher lvl nirriti just eat more fatigue

for more drops

rn basically zero reason not to blast through normals

[twin ledge]

10 collections

[lucid ore]

Does it? I did it with 4 if you include elemental blessing. I don't think it does

[limpid pecan]

huh

[fierce light]

https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1279840190193733793

[limpid pecan]

i had run with ranged, awakening and yinyang

and it didnt count

[twin ledge]

Um did u grab 4 of element rings?

[limpid pecan]

maybe this blessing counts as elemental i guess

[lucid ore]

I had currency, hydro, element on one of my run

[fierce light]

Currency Rings are a collection too

[twin ledge]

That’s because u only had 3

It says 3 or more

[lucid ore]

Yeah, and imba said the element thing you picked at the start count

it doesn't

[fierce light]

Oh you mean the essence? That shouldn't count

[twin ledge]

Yea that doesn’t count

[limpid pecan]

wait im gonna make screenshot

[twin ledge]

If u want to get that quest done just have 2 people with u only grab essence and just let the Carry while ur rumi

[limpid pecan]

this one didnt count

this one counted

[lucid ore]

I think I count: Range, awakening, yin and element

[limpid pecan]

u mean toxin blessing?

maybe the elemental blessing is counted as elemental collection

idk

so if u go with elemental rings, it doesnt affect anything

[fierce light]

New divine army from the sky

[fierce light]

Didn't have any unmatching rings you discarded?

[lucid ore]

oh I guess that's the case

[twin ledge]

It’s just best to not grab anything tbh

[lucid ore]

I just told my friend to not pick any anima ring if they go past 2 and let other carry tbh

[fierce light]

I got it by accident

[twin ledge]

What I did was pick thunder essence and tried using refreshes to get 4 element rings at start then just not grab anything else

[lucid ore]

Just realized I've been using/leveling/upgrading Stormstride instead of Stormstride Sword this whole time for my poison build

[fierce light]

The shape didn't give it off? 🤣

[twin ledge]

Nice

[lucid ore]

honestly just noticed the shape right now

This stage build thing saved me ngl

My friend saw it and asked.. lol

this poison build still destroy everything with 5 sj tho..

[fierce light]

Yup

[quaint tulip]

I dont understand why did u use arcane thunder in poison build, eh

Whats the use of it

[spice canyon]

Hardest hitting thunderbolt type attack = higher/more elemental accumulation

[quaint tulip]

Hmm so can i use it for wuchen also ?

[spice canyon]

Sure but I think it's not optimal because wuchen has long skill animation, I did rather pick solidification and stormstride sword

For poison build

[quaint tulip]

About stormstride sword, wouldnt be better if i replace it with defuse - aegis break that has 25% atk ?

[spice canyon]

You pick stormstride sword because wuchen do a lot of aegis attack, it also synergies with solidification

[quaint tulip]

But the thunderbolt damage is quite small, no ?

[fierce light]

If you're going the [Moderation] build, you're going to be using your Ability a lot, so more Arcane Thunder procs. Only time it's worth using.

[fierce light]

Stormstride Sword decreases the amount of Aegis-Breaks/Defuse Counterattacks you have to do for the next poison blast, more than doubles the DPS of his Defuse Counterattack, makes his Aegis-Break no longer knock small enemies towards you (easier grouping) and increases his Aegis-Break's DPS by a decent amount.

Defuse Aegis-Break requires you to Defuse at least once every 10 seconds, which is quite a bit more strict than Solidification which is 15 seconds. It also gives more Attack, an attribute that is already heavily saturated so it has less impact.

[quaint tulip]

No no u missunderstood

I use both solid with ageis break

And remove stormstride sword

[fierce light]

I know, I was listing why Stormstride Sword is better

Defuse • Aegis-Break ends up adding around 14.75% extra damage while its active (around ~12% when you start maxing your Attack). Stormstride Sword contributes to a lot more than that on Wuchen & Feria.

[quaint tulip]

It decrease the amount of atk to poision blast, but how about make it slower a litte bit but make it deals more dmg ?

[quaint tulip]

hmm

i have tested it, 4 focus 4 ab with stormstride dealt 35k dmg 8k ab dmg

meanwhile when replace it with defuse - ab, 4 focus 4 ab dealt 46k dmg

sooo

[quaint tulip]

with one time defuse ofc

[fierce light]

35k to 46k is a lot more than 25%

Different attributes?

[lucid ore]

Hi, anyone have the potential tree for Viper Ning's Moderation poison build?

[lucid ore]

Thank you

@fierce light What's the optimal rotation for this build? 4 poison sj + arcane thunder and incineration

tried it and did worse than my cyanfang build

[fierce light]

You have enough [Moderation] (75%+)?

[lucid ore]

yeah I have 4 moderations

I would use one skill and it instantly reset, then I use it again but it doesn't reset

[fierce light]

Want to make sure to only use the skill when Poison Blast is off cooldown

Otherwise you waste a bunch of the extra accumulation.

[lucid ore]

[fierce light]

If you're trying to use it for bossing though, you probably want to switch Bone-Etched Blast with Aegis-Break Rage

[quaint tulip]

100% in poison blast, 12% atk, but none of that matters cuz i tested in in training area

[fierce light]

Weird, it definitely shouldn't be more than 25% difference

[lucid ore]

Having better success with this build over Arcane thunder tbh

Wait, I just realized that Cyan fang is Ice wielding instead of poison wielding...

[fierce light]

Oof. Yeah the Poison-Wielding version builds Poison Blast 42% faster.

[fierce light]

Okay I tested it, looks like you have two options:

1. Skill → 1st Charged Horizontal → Martial Skill → 1st Charged Horizontal
2. Skill → 2nd Charged Horizontal → 1st Charged Horizontal
   Both take up roughly the same amount of time (~4.5s), with #1 being better DPS (especially with Aegis-Break Rage) and #2 being better for AoE. Ideally I'd recommend the potential below as well since you don't get as much use out of Arcane Thunder like you do in Ice Build from a damage standpoint.

[lucid ore]

Thank you

[fierce light]

Cyan Fang doesn't seem that far behind, totaling 4.97s:

• Uncharged Horizontal → Uncharged Vertical → Cyan Fang → Cyan Fang → Cyan Fang
  Only thing is it needs the enemy to be pretty much still for 5 seconds, whereas you can play hit and run with Arcane Thunder.

[quaint tulip]

Hey which sub attributes should i use, atk, inc boss dmg, poison blast ?

[fierce light]

Yup, outside of rare attributes:

1. Dmg to Boss
2. Attack
3. Poison Blast DMG
4. Melee Weapon DMG | DMG to non-Boss | Defuse triggers Recovery

[lucid ore]

I been defuse-> Cyan fang a lot mid fight also instead of defuse -> aegis like before

[fierce light]

If you skip the initial two hits, you'll have to do another Cyan Fang before it'll proc unless you have Defuse Solidification .

[quaint tulip]

Yeah but which ones should i main

About to roll poison blast for rare attributes

[fierce light]

They're in order of priority

[stable void]

Erm wut da sigma

[quaint tulip]

Erm whot de sikma

[magic prairie]

How to progress diligent study? My friend still has 1/3 even tho we both have cleared nirritis same amount and time as a team. Mine is done while their isnt

[limpid pecan]

he needs to do weekly quest

that mentions nirriti

[magic prairie]

We did same time same quests yet hes stuck on 1/3

[limpid pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1168202676354433064.png?size=160&name=CuteZai

[twin ledge]

Fastest time so far till team and me got tired sorry screenshot didn’t let me use blur so I just colored over names so it looks kinda ugly

[twin ledge]

Oh nvm I found reason why it wasn’t letting me use blur lmao

[dusk plover]

What’s your divine thunder percentage at now with them 9 windfalls on there? Lol I knows over 300 so like 310-315?

[twin ledge]

still working on maxing dmg to boss and attacking % tho

I’m not doing double windfall on my purples jade because losing dmg to boss will lower dmg for speedrun bosses

[fathom bobcat]

What potential are you using?

[twin ledge]

I have my potential set different removed blue and pretty much added some rage recovery was getting my ult every 10 to 12 seconds if I was timing my stuff right

But we could of def did 1 minute that game one of us died at end we choked it but we were tired but I’m not on atm so can’t screenshot what I have

[fathom bobcat]

Okay, I'm in no hurry and wait 🙂

[twin ledge]

I’m just on genshin for now

[fathom bobcat]

NP. I just don't really understand what potential is being taken for old lightning + ice hybrid build right now.

[solemn obsidian]

Is Ice viable atm?

[fathom bobcat]

Minimal, compared to best builds. Unfortunately.

[solemn obsidian]

Okay that makes sense

What are considered to be the best builds currently? I think Hydroflare is one

[fathom bobcat]

I continue to play ice moderation, but only because I've had it in good condition since last season. Yes, you still kill mobs quickly (not so good anymore if they have aegis) and generally do some damage, but other builds, same poison, can give more damage for the same build cost. Imho.

[solemn obsidian]

Okay thanks honestly just looking for something to get through Nightscream story solo

[fathom bobcat]

Yes, hydroflare has been working well since last season. Poison isn't bad, but it's better at killing mobs than bosses. Best is hydroflare with thunder (jades can be seen at the Yama leader), but it's a very costly build.

[solemn obsidian]

Costly meaning you need the rare sub stats and what not?

[fathom bobcat]

Yes.

[solemn obsidian]

Okay I understand, but any suggestions for a build just to get through the main story on Nightscream? Especially missions like Immovable because that one sucks.

[fathom bobcat]

Although nightmare can be passed, in general, just because of the level of sense, you don't need to have great build for that)

[solemn obsidian]

Ohh okay so just do some sense farming?

[fathom bobcat]

As one option.

[solemn obsidian]

Okay will do

[fathom bobcat]

In any case jade in builds can be seen from yama and speedrun leaders, at least it's something worth trying to get to. Too bad can't see potential, but in most cases you can guess what it is.

[solemn obsidian]

You aren't wrong Lol But sadly I don't have access to a lot of those souljades yet

[fathom bobcat]

Yeah, that's problem.

[limpid pecan]

if i wanna spam jades for rare attribute to trash them into flux shards - should I use epic or legendary jades?

or doesnt matter

[hidden creek]

i don't think it matters

[fierce light]

The Spring's Call build? You just go the green side, you don't actually do any Ice Damage.

[fierce light]

Probably Epics, since Legendaries are worth 4 Souljade Fragments,

[fathom bobcat]

I'm not sure that purely green branch of potential is the best option, given that there is little to no burn given in this hybrid build

[fierce light]

You go Green for:

• Golden Bolt Silhoutte
• Flame-Thunder Chant
• Aegis-Break Rage
• Blazing Flame (if you have [Scorching])

You can branch into Red and Blue for their starting glyphs, but there's nothing else that benefits a Standard Thunder build in the Potential Tree.

They pretty much isolated each element to a section of the tree, Green = Thunder, Red = Poison, Blue = Ice

[limpid pecan]

wtf three times i try to put 2nd rare attrib

i get moderation every time

and the time before was also mod

[mortal yew]

p1 need parry boss 3time use 2scroching save 1scroching p2 2thunder boss die

[mortal yew]

last season

[twin ledge]

Dark I’ve tried this many times I tried giving it a chance but it did like 3 to 4k less dmg for my counters

[limpid pecan]

@mortal yew do u have any special tips to efficiently put second rare attribute?

[mortal yew]

lol no

just lucky

[limpid pecan]

i got moderation 3x in a row today

when i need windfall or scorching

[mortal yew]

its always like this

i got lot scorching in poison build

[limpid pecan]

im just wondering

when i got moderation i just refused it

[mortal yew]

lol

[limpid pecan]

and kept defuse trigger recovery

but idk i am wondering

if it changes odds if i keep it

and then roll it again off

[primal stream]

Oh nice

[mortal yew]

why refused bro

[limpid pecan]

is it worth even?

[mortal yew]

that jade i think maybe u already have 1 windfall？ u wanna get scorching maybe u can find 1

new jade

[limpid pecan]

i had draco with 1 scorching

[mortal yew]

find some rare

[limpid pecan]

wanted to put there 1 windfall

or 2nd scorch

i have 3x scorching atm

[mortal yew]

if is got windfall or scorching then u can decompose the jade and try 1 more time

i think is better

[limpid pecan]

hm

but i already had one scorching

if i get unlucky again

i will be in very crappy spot

[mortal yew]

Because you refused, you need to find 2 more rare ones.

[limpid pecan]

ye im rerolling bad purple jades

and then trashing them

for shards

the problem is

this draco stride has good stats

already

[mortal yew]

if u keep u try find 1 winfall or scorching then decompose the jade you can have another chance

lol i know

It depends on you

Because even if you do what I did, it doesn't guarantee that the rare you get is what you want, it just gives you one more try faster

[limpid pecan]

ye but then i need to destroy good souljade

[fierce light]

What made you do less?

[fierce light]

You can recast a rare attribute into a random % attribute. If you don't have any already maxed attributes, you can do that more efficiently.

[rotund bough]

wrong channel

[primal stream]

Oh

F me XD

Also there is a showdown boss inside XD

Lmaooo

[amber terrace]

@fierce light i wanna ask all nirriti ruins is same drop?

[fierce light]

Hard does seem to drop a bit more non-rares than Normal, but Crystal wise they seem the same