👾┃showdown

[wispy garnet]

spirit well you can buy additional slots beyond 6

[fierce light]

That capture the spirit thing had more

[dusk plover]

Oh okay well was the one I couldn’t check rn 😂

Well that’s good then that there’s an option/chance to get more than 6 for showdown

[dusk plover]

Any idea how much more you could get?

[wispy garnet]

Question guys: Scorching I have 2x Tier3 if I release a hit after parry I trigger Tier6 on Enemy right? But what about procc it twice in a row does it stack to 12 or reset timer for 6?^^

[dusk plover]

Okay so are you asking without doing Draco at all and hitting him again with scorching after he’s already proc from one before? @wispy garnet

[wispy garnet]

exactly because I can only afford budget build with my luck

[dusk plover]

I feel you on that 😓

[fierce light]

Scorching Lv. 6 → Draco Stride (clears Scorching) → Scorching Lv. 6
Lv. 6 + Lv. 6 = Lv. 12

Scorching Lv. 6 → Short Time Passes → Scorching Lv. 6 (overwrites Scorching)
(x/18 × Lv. 6) + Lv. 6 < Lv. 12; where x = time passed (secs)

[dusk plover]

I was going to say I think the only way you get the 12x amount is with doing Draco in between otherwise probably just resets cutting out a good amount of damage

[fierce light]

Scorching Lv. 6 is stronger than 2x Defuse Flaming Blades, I'd say it's worth using at that point.

[dusk plover]

Yeah really can’t wait tuntil I finish the battle pass and season quests to roll those two flux jades and pray I get scorching lol

[wispy garnet]

I have trauma of these flux jades. I still can´t comprehend how EXTREME rarity doesn´t let us CHOOSE what we want

for the purple stones epic rarity to use 2x for one random one is fine but NOT for red one is nasty

[hearty rivet]

Either that or significantly improved chance of rares being rolled.

[ebon parrot]

quick question, do you still remeber for when u got useless rock, what leevls it was at

i would assume its earlier on

cuz red souljade has a chance to come after

so there needs to be at least 1 more codex

[wispy garnet]

There is also a thing I´m super curious about: Flashes (Stormstride etc) Do they help trigger elements quicker? Or general for procc elements (ice, thunder, poison) is it quantity(a lot hits but not high dmg needed) or quality(big hitting numbers at once) matters more?! @fierce light

[dusk plover]

I got mine done on nightscream. Still yet to get gambit on any level though 😓

[ebon parrot]

did u have any blessings?

[dusk plover]

Yeahhhh kind of boned. If they didn’t want to make it not choosable then atleast make the purple ones only cost 1 instead of 2. I’d much rather the reds be choosable and purple random still costing 2 tho

[dusk plover]

No because it was early in the match that I got useless rock but I was tarka for it

[ebon parrot]

ah

[viral aspen]

im super new, how the heck do i get past immovable on hard? I cant ever seem to find a trio (waited 30 minutes twice) and ive tried solo a few times and always fail about wave 4-5

[fierce light]

• AoE damage is king. Wuchen, Viper, & Kurumi have good AoE Attacks on their melee weapon. Wuchen being the best early on if you grab Aegis-Break Rage from the Potential Tree and spam Charged Horizontal → Martial Skill.
• Don't buy Penulums. They often get enemies stuck in awkward positions or sometimes even knock them into other lanes. Main thing being they split enemies up, making it hard to kill them at once as a group.
• Nether Bells help a lot! Just shoot one with your Ranged Weapon to stun enemies in the immediate area. It is especially helpful if you use it while they're grouped.
• You only need one Soul Altar to survive to win. Don't waste your time overextending yourself into multiple lanes if you're overwhelmed. Prioritize a single Soul Altar before all the others. You get the same amount of rewards regardless if one breaks.

[viral aspen]

what should i spend money on then if not pendulums?

[fierce light]

Nether Bells and Scorpions

[winged shore]

I’m having the same issue but in none shall pass solo, it genuinely feels impossible even though I’m overleved.

Any tips?

[fierce light]

Not really much tricks you can do on that one solo. Ideally you want a person at each spawn killing them as they spawn, but that's not possible solo. So best bet is to try to kill them around the Soul Altar, but managing the health can be tricky.

[lucid ore]

@fierce light Will you be updating the website anytime soon?

Asking for friends

[hearty rivet]

when finally you get a golden souljade from Bough... but it's stormstride 😔

[fierce light]

It'll be a little while.

[winged shore]

Thx

[hearty rivet]

I can't find this info anywhere, what does Yin Haze and Yang Decay do? And does Yin Yang Burst provide some healing?

[fierce light]

Yin Haze does a small amount of Health Damage and a decent amount of Aegis Damage. Yang Decay does a decent amount of Health Damage and a small amount of Aegis Damage.

[hearty rivet]

Thanks!

Is it normal that beside the huge yinyang symbol with the swirlies (I suppose that's the yinyang burst) I don't really see any special effects of those two attacks?

[fierce light]

They make a little sound queue and will knock up mobs further if they're airborne

If you want them to be more noticeable in their damage, gotta grab their second upgrade

[hearty rivet]

thx! Will be listening

[lucid ore]

phew done with this

[fierce light]

Not a bad time to clear either

Used the Super Soldier strat?

[lucid ore]

What's super soldier?

[fierce light]

Feed all the coins to one person

[lucid ore]

o

I got fed by my kurumi yeah, the other person just unga bunga

heaven sent into atomize.. that thing is soo good

[lucid ore]

Anyone have a build for yotohime with poison?

[hard glade]

It's same as Temulch

4 poison jades + Aerial rend & defuse solidification (or backfire)

[lucid ore]

Thank yyou

[heavy gulch]

Yo, guys I finally have all anima rings collection.
Yesterday I got useless rock and inferno hero in nirriti's nightscream.
I played with viper and I think will got with viper because it's the same like moonbane's wrath jade

[hidden creek]

aerial rend is worth even without wielding?
also what's the difference between rockfall slash and aerial rend?

[lucid ore]

According to dark's spreadsheet, rockfall is the horizontal ice wielding

875 dps (rockfall) vs 953 (aerial rend)

[hidden creek]

🤔 hmm but the description of rockfall slash is vertical charge attack though

soo they're both charged vertical? or the in game description is wrong?

[lucid ore]

oh

Then I guess it's the vertical for thunder wielding right?

I guess in that case it's 879 vs 953

[hidden creek]

yea that's what i've been wondering also

cuz other weapons only got 1 vertical wieding and 1 horizontal wielding

but gs just got 2 vertical wielding? just diff name?

[fierce light]

Rockfall is the Thunder-Wielding Vertical Charge

[lucid ore]

I think they got stormslash

[fierce light]

Hits weaker than Aerial Rend and doesn't have an AoE.

[lucid ore]

which is the horizontal, I mixed them up

[fierce light]

I think the default attack's name is Rockfall Slash though.

[hidden creek]

so the dmg alone make aerial rend worth it to use on poison build despite it doesn't have poison wielding?

[fierce light]

Yes.

[hidden creek]

🤔 i see tq

[fierce light]

Make sure you're sliding before each one too, does bonus damage.

[hidden creek]

huh

🤔 sliding as in, actual sliding?

[fierce light]

Yes. Either from Dash Canceling or just Charging out of Sprint.

[hidden creek]

so charge > release > dash > repeat?

not charge > release > charge > release?

[fierce light]

Yup

You can't anyway cause of the Martial Skill

[hidden creek]

yeah i mean on gs obviously you always want to dash cancel the last part of vertical charged attack animation

but it does bonus dmg by doing so? that's new

[lucid ore]

I didn't know that do more dmg either, always been doing it though cuz it feels faster and smoother

Though I think only gs and katana? have it right? I don't remember able to do that with wuchen/tarka

[fierce light]

Don't believe it changes for Katana

[magic ridge]

Quick question. Is there a way to get the red attributes "easy" I see everyone with like 2 red o nall souljades

[hidden creek]

there isn't

just luck and alot of grinding

[limpid pecan]

GS is the only weapon which changes dmg of focus attack depending on state from which u release it

if u sprint before charging u will deal about 10% more

[flat pier]

i mean out of all the bosses, matron is like the most difficult and yet people pick her... why....?

[hidden creek]

the person picked her either has no idea or they've fought her many times to the point it became easy to them

[spice canyon]

I'm the second

[lone stump]

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[fathom bobcat]

Remind me please, with recast can you get second rare property on jade or not?

[hidden creek]

no

second rare on a jade can only be from imbuing

[flat pier]

You know people like you are rare.. and people don't really pick her much unless they are using a chain defuse hero.. mostly... there are rare instances though

[fathom bobcat]

ok, thanks

[calm latch]

If anyone has potential for a hydroflare build, can they share it?

[hidden creek]

classic hydroflare

[calm latch]

thanks

[heavy gulch]

Yo, guys does anybody know how to do that? This quest, FEARSOME SHOT

[mild quiver]

Wait 1 more week

Not possible yet

Ah, I misread

[mild quiver]

Use Feria, go full range anima, a single musket shot would be well enough

[heavy gulch]

Ok thank you I will try

[mild quiver]

Wtf just happened to his health bar?

[polar light]

scorching lvl 12 with kurumi F bounes attack

[mild quiver]

Lvl 12?

[polar light]

yes XD

[mild quiver]

I know the scorching rare sub stat, what does lvl 12 mean?

[hard glade]

If 1 jade has 1 scorching = (lv 3 max)

He has 4 scorching (lv 3 x 4= lv 12 )

[mild quiver]

12 is max?

[polar light]

yes

[mild quiver]

I gonna try it someday

[hidden creek]

huh scorching capped at lv12?

[polar light]

i hope u will be lucky

[polar light]

yes

[hidden creek]

🤔

and here i thought 12 scorching means you get 2x scorching on each jades x6

[mild quiver]

The first scorching I get is already at lvl 3, so only 3 more

[hidden creek]

oh huh so i capped scorching on my hydroflare build

didn't know that

[hearty rivet]

how can one accidentally cap on scorching 👀

[hidden creek]

i didn't even asked for it lmao, i want windfall but scorching keep poped up

but i don't have scorching on draco or thunderpull/counter/proof so thunderhydro build is still not possible for me atm 🥹

[fierce light]

Still got the 2nd Strongest bossing build atm

[hearty rivet]

Found this souljade on leaderboard. wtf...

[river stratus]

accidentally goes 12+

[polar light]

Next week we will get two flux shards hopefully u will get lucky to have 12

[river stratus]

i tryied to get rid but recasting scorcing i found another scorcing yes yes hope to get windfall with flux shard

[hearty rivet]

It's at least nice that your previous misfortune turned into great luck with the new season ^^

[river stratus]

yeeeeees

[fierce light]

I mean that could work, just still relies on enemy to throw Focus Attacks.

[hearty rivet]

Didn't pay attention to the rest of the build just to this thing. But iirc the owner is in top10 with a not unpopular hero, so I suppose their build is on par with the other poison or scorch-heavy builds.

[amber terrace]

i wanna ask coppper ward or incineration is better in thunder scorching build?

[fierce light]

Copper Ward, +36% Burn Damage with Blazing Flame.
Burn is the majority of your damage in that build so it beats Incineration. Plus Incineration can deactivate if your next Scorching takes longer than 10 seconds.

[amber terrace]

[keen schooner]

Guys am ask you stupid question but what do i do with (rune key) ?

[heavy gulch]

You can play Enigma Peak. You need rune keys in order to play this mode.

[keen schooner]

Oh ok thank you 💗

[heavy gulch]

Anytime. 🥰

[twin ledge]

What am I seeing lol just waste of flux shards that won’t get bad ngl

[craggy notch]

which heroes are strong atm? and what are current meta builds and potential trees?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | NoX丶Zesshi leveled up!
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[fierce light]

Best and quickest way to see that is to look and compare the top ranks of each hero.

Can see their builds as well

[craggy notch]

how about potential tree?

im trying to build this :
Thunderpull
Thunder Counter
Thunderproof
Draco Stride
Copper Ward
Defuse Flaming Blade

[fierce light]

Any build with Copper Ward = Blazing Flame (useless without it).
Burn + Draco Stride = Water and Fire Raged.

[craggy notch]

thank you

[vocal gyro]

What does it mean when your souljade is “Faded?”

[spice canyon]

latest update those "Faded" jade is no longer usable, you can convert to any kind jade you want with limited choice, attribute on those jade will be maintained

[vocal gyro]

Thank you!!!

[lucid ore]

it caps at 12?

so scorching doesn't do more dmg after 12?

[polar light]

yes

[stable pawn]

hello!

Anyone up for showdown?

I am new to the game, started playing 2 days ago

[fierce light]

Anyone got a video of Thunder Scorch in Enigma? Curious how it runs

[stable pawn]

whats that ?

[polar light]

【雷蒸有多超模？没点出水火势猛的雷蒸黄玉百炼洞3分58秒速通！-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/joZ8omM

He started from the 4th boss in the video

Managed to finish in 3min and 58 sec

I had a game in enigma that i finished it in 4 min and 40 sec i think with viper but forgot to record the game

[fierce light]

You'll probably have better luck in #🐲┃showdown-lfg to find a team

[fierce light]

It's a meta build right now, but I wouldn't worry about it as a new player

[fierce light]

Nice, I'm at like 5m17s with Wuchen iirc with the new poison. Ty for the link

[polar light]

Nice bro and ur welcome

【雷蒸的魅力 4分黄玉拿下！-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/u1D4wf4

This one with viper too

[stable pawn]

oh! someone pinged me to talk on showdown

[stable pawn]

thanks!

[fierce light]

I'll have to give it a watch when I can get back to my computer

[hard glade]

This is Insane... bro! haha
great power!

[polar light]

[hard glade]

They using same potential as burn correct? or is there some change in tree

[polar light]

Yeah the same

[polar light]

This one

[hard glade]

Nice!!!

Need 1 more scorching!

[amber terrace]

I has 12 scorching but need more 3 windfall and grind up HP to 15, my lowest still ~12%

[polar light]

Next fatigue reset we will have two flux shards maybe u will be lucky

[mild quiver]

What's windfall for?

[fair moth]

any1 can help me [dangers in deep] (hard) chapter 4 ? ? ? 633400140168

[hard glade]

It adds value to that particular souljade's attributes but does not add value to other rare attributes

[mild quiver]

I still don't understand

As in, if all of the normal substats of that jade is max already, adding windfall will get them pass the max value, but they don't apply to the max value of rare substats?

[hidden creek]

it don't apply to rare attributes

for example you got a jade with 50% windfall, 20% divine thunder dmg, scorching level 2

that 50% windfall will increase the divine thunder dmg by 50%, now it's 20*50% = 30%

but scorching lv2 is still lv2, it doesn't get increase to 2*50% = 3, cuz windfall has no effect on rare attributes

[mild quiver]

So I understood it correctly

Good

[hidden creek]

doesn't matter if the normal attribute is maxed or not

[mild quiver]

I just meant that it have the ability to push a normal sub stat pass it max value

[hidden creek]

yeah it does

[robust portal]

whats the best way to farm souljade level, i just hit 900 but im with 2 friends about 800 or so, we have been doing the nirritis ruin on nightscream but wondering if theres a better place to run through or something?

seems slow af, idk, last season yamas was kinda the way to go but now its solo

[hidden creek]

if you got enigma keys to spend can just go enigma, kill 3 first bosses then leave

other than that just nirriti

[robust portal]

they are a bit underleveled, we just tried a run and they dont do much damage, maybe ill help them fix their build properly and that will help i suppose

i played alot last season so i kinda got ahead, but theyre new to showdown and dont kno too much

[hidden creek]

eh if so just nirriti spam

can just run normal or hard

[limpid pecan]

nirriti normal is kinda pog for fast farming

[robust portal]

oh, do you get high enough souljades from even hard? i thought it was lower

[limpid pecan]

just everybody pick tarka and spam cannon

[hidden creek]

nah you get higher quality sj with higher difficulty

but the number of sj drop are the same

[limpid pecan]

they changed drops this week tho

[hidden creek]

and since you want to rush lvl up ur sense

[limpid pecan]

normal is same as nightscream

u just can drop the new poison jades

in nightscream

[robust portal]

so i would gain the same level souljades on normal as on nightscream?

[limpid pecan]

yes

[hidden creek]

yeah nightscream mostly just for farming the new poison jades

[robust portal]

thats suprising, didnt assume that would be the case, good to kno tho, thankyou

ahh i see i see

is that how people up to 1000+ souljade level so quick have powered through it or something?

[hearty rivet]

yeah enigma topaz first 3 bosses and normal nirriti

[robust portal]

ok thanks for anwers everyone, appreciate that

[hollow herald]

How to get Scorching attribute? by recasting and with some luck?

[hidden creek]

more like alot of luck lol

[round glacier]

Shit load of luck

Getting a rare is very rare

Getting the rare you want is just up the rng gods lmao

[hidden creek]

yeah like i just got 5th scorching on my hydroflare build, making it has 15 scorching which is

[whole pebble]

a newbie question, if I remove the 1 rare attribute on my jade, does that mean there is a chance again that 1 of the 3 rare attribute can appear on that jade?

i.e. i changed the scorching on this jade, will it now have a chance to gain again a new rare attribute by just normal recasting?

[fierce light]

Yes.

[whole pebble]

is that the same if i just recast that rare attribute but do not accept the change just to see if i can get windfall? (playing safe just in case it did not appear, i still have scorching)

or you really need to drop it first.

[hidden creek]

i think it's possible

cuz if a new rare appear, whether you take the old or new jade it's still 1 rare attribute

[fierce light]

Yeah you can recast it till a different rare

[whole pebble]

Thank you for the inputs @fierce light @hidden creek ❤️

[topaz night]

I do this all the time and for me, higher chance to get another rare early

Just ytd rerolled moder to scorching within 15 rerolls

[stone leaf]

guys, "win 9 stars in doom mode " challenge has to be done in a week or just mutiple weeks ?

[hidden creek]

1 week

actually what challenge you're talking about?

[stone leaf]

the main quest

[hidden creek]

wdym main quest

the beginner challenge?

[stone leaf]

yeah

the one behind reach Platium 2

[hidden creek]

🤔 now i'm even more confuse

could you give a screenshot

[stone leaf]

here you are

[hidden creek]

oh

this one you can do with multiple weeks

it adds up

[stone leaf]

pheww

man i thought this need to done in a week

this thing is hard af

[hidden creek]

this need to be done in 1 week though

[stone leaf]

yah, i gave up

[mild quiver]

Once you get the hang of it, it's actually really easy, you don't even need 3 players, 1 is enough for 2 stars, and 2 players is enough for 3 stars due to the time limit

The hard one is the speedrun

[stone leaf]

reach 2 star alot of times with some strong 9xx players, i guess its my build then

[hidden creek]

yeah it became much easier compare to previous season 😂 previous season you need to run with specific heroes

and there's no buff

[stone leaf]

[hidden creek]

now you get the rage buff

and i don't see the double boss omen anymore i think

[mild quiver]

Get another player with 880 sense and a decent build and 3 stars easy

[stone leaf]

they recommend me do defuse move but i found its very hard to do

[hidden creek]

why so

[stone leaf]

so all i do there is take dam and counter

[mild quiver]

Wuchen with full defuse potential and defuse jade, there, you just mastered defuse

[hidden creek]

ngl you HAVE to learn to defuse if you wanna play showdown for real

[mild quiver]

Seriously though, if you want the easy way, just buy Wuchen, but if you want to use defuse on every heroes, just use defuse concentrate jade and level up the potential that help you defuse easier

[stone leaf]

predict boss move for me is kinda hard

[hidden creek]

take your time

[mild quiver]

You will learn that the more you play

[hidden creek]

play more and you pretty much memorized them all

[mild quiver]

The new bosses is also messing me up quite a bit here, but I'm slowly getting used to them

[stone leaf]

some boss they attack like Flash, some just str8 up bait me and wait for my defuse move over

[mild quiver]

Some boss tips though, the Fire dude is better parrying than defusing

Most of the Sand and Water dude's attacks need to be defuse multiple times, so don't use the defuse counter attack right away

The Electric and Water dude delay their attacks alot, so be careful with the timing

[fierce light]

Oh what, they made the weekly 12, just realized.
At least they made it time based instead of locking you to a hero

[mild quiver]

The new Buddha dude has a lot of delaying and tricking attack, so watch his attacks carefully, and most of the time, he will do a blue attack right after a normal attack, so if you can defuse, right after unleashing the defuse counter attack, prepare to parry, if not, just dodge and parry right after

The Snow woman is also kinda like the Buddha dude, but has a lot more range and can freeze you, so watch out for that

[hidden creek]

lol buddha is easy as hell compare to matron

1st phase he only got the delay swing

[mild quiver]

Yeah, I can't understand, Matron is one of the earliest boss, yet she is still one of the hardest

[hidden creek]

2nd phase only delay on the move that he stuck his big crab pincer onto the ground

[mild quiver]

They literally give you a red badge if you can defeat her in speedrun

[fierce light]

I have to see if Buddha's mix ups have some kind of sign

[mild quiver]

There is also the move where he seems about to swing the axe but then switch his hand too, but it's still slow af

[fierce light]

Cause if you're playing Trios with 60+ ping you can't just react to his mixups

[hidden creek]

https://streamable.com/tw2f18

yes, this

i made this to compare if there's any difference between the delay attack and the one that doesn't

but the animation seems to be the same

[mild quiver]

High ping always suck

[fierce light]

Looks the same to me, that was the issue with Omnius Beast's wall jump attacks

[hidden creek]

yeah

[fierce light]

They're making too many react based attacks when we have to predict

[hidden creek]

the thing with matron is if you make ONE mistake, just ONE, she gonna combo you and 100 to 0 you

[hidden creek]

but this move is easily avoided so

can just defuse asap and if he's delaying it then we dash away

all and all this buddha is easy as hell

compare to korvine last season

[fierce light]

Matron feels easier to me tbh. You know once she moves, she's going to hit you. Her mixups don't punish you for a wrong prediction if you defuse.

[mild quiver]

Buddha is easy, but most of the time, one of his attack literally just flashbang you, and when you can't see anything, he make a fast attack that make you can't react fast enough

[fierce light]

My first clear of Legend was against Matron, love fighting her.

[mild quiver]

That is 1st phase though, 2nd phase all he has is delay

[hidden creek]

tbf i started when matron wasn't really a thing anymore and i just murdered her with my overpowered sense level so

i still struggling to fight her even today haha

[fierce light]

Even in her second form you can tell what she's going to react with when you Parry her based on her animation

[hidden creek]

i think you're kinda wrong on this

2nd phase is even easier than 1st phase

he only delay the ground attack and the blue which you can always parry as long as you're being patient

suuuuper loooong delay though

[mild quiver]

Yeah, that why I said in 2nd phase, all he has is delay, at least the 1st phase has some trickery

[hidden creek]

but eh as long as you don't spam ur defuse/parry u're good

[hearty rivet]

Matron speedrun was one of the nicer bossfights in my experience as IIRC she never had a 2nd bs boss to complicate everything.

[fierce light]

He has an annoying mix up on his side swipe in second phase that does decently high damage

[mild quiver]

It's so slow that you can easily defuse or dodge though

[sleek dove]

the new pve patch is absolute garbage

[fierce light]

I might just need to fight him more though, only did like twice lol

[tranquil beacon]

For Omnius Void, when he goes underground, is there a way to know if he does the uppercut from the ground, or the blue attack from top?

[mild quiver]

The only annoying attack is the one where he stab into the ground and vines come out

[mild quiver]

There is a short window where he peek his head up

[hearty rivet]

we have a new patch now? 👀

[fierce light]

His body will appear like 0.8s before he starts the uppercut. If he does the blue you have plenty time to get ready for the parry even if you panic.

[fierce light]

They just need to fix the drops tbh. It's been an issue for 3 seasons now.

[tranquil beacon]

Ty, I will keep eye out on that!

[sleek dove]

nah its not the drop wich suck

its just more punishing not what it needed

[mild quiver]

I miss the old void, double the reward and can be finish in like 5 mins

[sleek dove]

we wanted actual bossmechanics

[fierce light]

They're increasing the rewards this upcoming patch

[sleek dove]

not just getting onetapped

its shitgame desing

[fierce light]

In Nirriti?

[sleek dove]

everywhere

[mild quiver]

In legendary, the miniboss tree dude, if you miss the parrying on his charging attack, you just die

[sleek dove]

the only boss with kind of mechanics is the three heads

[hearty rivet]

It would be nice if they smoothed out the difficulty differences too. Or at least added some sort of self-heal in nirriti.

[fierce light]

Might have to get your Sense Level up then. You deal less damage and take more damage the further below you are.

[sleek dove]

its just bad compared to 1.5

[mild quiver]

The miniboss tree dude is somehow more annoying than the buddha guy

[sleek dove]

i know its still dumb

[hidden creek]

literally nothing changed in term of gameplay compare to 1.5...

[fierce light]

It's always been difficult attempting the new missions below their sense

[hidden creek]

and you're saying the 4 heads has the most ''mechanic''?

[fierce light]

Omnius Aureate was probably the worst offender on release

[hidden creek]

bruh

[mild quiver]

4 heads suck

Seriously

[hidden creek]

that boss is like the most stupid boss/stage

it's just dumb

[fierce light]

I don't know why they made the spear RNG instead of just having it spawn after you kill a certain amount of enemies

[hidden creek]

feels like u're playing a puzzle game not a fighting game lmao

[mild quiver]

And somehow I keep missing the damn electric spear attack, just fling me nowhere and then I'm dead

[hidden creek]

yeah and bcoz of that you can get pass that stage just by hiding and go pick up the spear when it spawn lol

[sleek dove]

no its actualy interestin

the three heads is the best boss by far

its not a puzzle its so easy

[fierce light]

It's going to make it really bad for Speedrun

[mild quiver]

You can literally just stand on the outside platform, wait for the spear, then move to the left or right

[hidden creek]

you probably is the only one who say this

but eh sure

[sleek dove]

yea id rather have more bosses with some interactions then braindead tank and spank

[fierce light]

I'd rather have that than another wave defense mission tbh

[hidden creek]

''braindead tank and spank'' he says 😂

[sleek dove]

thats what it is

[hidden creek]

gl tanking anything on nirriti legend

[sleek dove]

block attak dodge done

nothing involfed

[mild quiver]

The defend stage of the electric dude was ok, the defend stage of the sand dude suck

[hearty rivet]

big head boss can be not super annoying with luck if you get fire and lightning head or super annoying if you get stone or water head but I find the 1st mission with the crumbling platforms and randomly losing grip and falling from poles the worst experience so far.

[fierce light]

Also hate that they're making all of the difficult content essentially one time clears. Cause the rewards are identical to the easier content after that first clear

[hidden creek]

this

you just cleared them once then you never run it again

[fierce light]

That one can be annoying, cause all it takes is for one person to not keep up in killing their side and it slows everyone else down. Crazy the difference in a run when everyone spawn kills and one person leaks to middle.

[hearty rivet]

Yeah would be nice if they increased the souljade drop to max 1010 too. WOuld feel a lot less wasted time to farm those missions for new souljades.

[sleek dove]

i wihs they would add raids like 5 player partys with new jades wich allow healing and tanking and aggro that would be cool

[hidden creek]

i knew you're a mmorpg pve player

[fierce light]

It was actually pretty fun when Enigma Peak was dropping amazing rewards.

[sleek dove]

i play everything

overwatch league wow ff14 naraka...

[mild quiver]

The defend stage of electric dude doesn't require you to kill every monsters though, you just need to hold out for 10 mins

[fierce light]

Tbh you could do that with Group Heal & Advanced Heal with the No Depletion Attributes.

[hearty rivet]

imagine boss fights with 5 or more people worth of special effects flashing around the boss instead of the current 3

[hidden creek]

so what exactly is the drop increase coming next patch? we got more sj drop or higher quality or both?

[fierce light]

Yeah that was an improvement from Immovable. They last too long

[sleek dove]

so what? just make the effects less there is always some way around problems

lmao how minimalistic to think just inside the box

[mild quiver]

Electric defend is the best for 3 stars speed run, just need to hold out and using the correct character

[fierce light]

I'm assuming they're going to fix the adjustment they said they made and they're also pushing the fatigue cost up to 45 (so 1.5x more Souljades & Crystals per run).

[hidden creek]

sooo technically nothing changes? just that we spend our ftg faster?

more ftg consume and more sj drops

[fierce light]

You still get 3 stars from 10 minutes? Might not be a thing this season

Yeah takes too long to burn fatigue right now

I wish they would do these https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1279840190193733793 instead.

[hearty rivet]

iirc 3 star has shorter time reqirement now than old 3star

[mild quiver]

Aww, they changed it? Last season, the speedrun stage I literally just hold for 10 mins, the boss was still around and I won 3 stars anyway

[amber terrace]

@fierce light if i use poison build so which stats requirement for it? atk + dmg boss or atk + poison blast?

[fierce light]

Attack + Dmg to Boss, unless you're using it mainly for mobbing, then Attack + Poison Blast DMG.

[hidden creek]

hi @fierce light are you free? may i ask you to check out my gameplay on hydroflare set? one with defuse solidification, one with copper ward

i thought copper ward would make my dps much better but it looks like it just... mediocre, like it doesn't even really make a difference compare to solidification

so i'm wondering if it's bcoz of my gameplay being bad (couldn't make the most out of hydroflare triggers)

[fierce light]

You doing it with Ember?

[hidden creek]

yea

[fierce light]

Oddly enough Ember performs worse the higher your Sense is than the enemy

[hidden creek]

but i only replace solidification with copper ward and vice versa

and i capped scorching on both build

[fierce light]

Yeah, Copper Ward helps it proc faster, but it's still pretty slow the higher you are, cause of damage mitigation

[hidden creek]

my sense lv is 52 higher than the stage requirement

[fierce light]

Oh if you have max scorching then Copper Ward should be better always

[hidden creek]

that's the weird thing

they gave kinda the same result

[fierce light]

Lot of health % Attributes?

[hidden creek]

i wouldn't call it alot but i got 5335 with copper ward

[fierce light]

Actually hold on might be on to something

Since you don't get as much attack from your potential this time on HydroFlare

[hidden creek]

i recorded both run

yea

so i'm wondering if copper ward has became not worth it bcoz of the dmg it increase vs the risk it bring

[ebon parrot]

Guys any recommendations for what build I should try to build or jades I should recast (I want to take advantage of old system as much as I can b4 it goes bye bye)

[hidden creek]

really depends on how many old crystals and how many high value jade opts you got

[ebon parrot]

I got like 300ish old crystals

And I’m not sure what counts as high value jade opts

I have like a bunch of random souljade packs but I was thinking of opening them when I actually max out my sense

But might change that for a chance to

Get the “high value” jades

[fierce light]

It's actually a slight improvement in Burn DMG going for Defuse Solidification now.

Attack % = +12% from Hero Level 20, +4% * 6 from 6 Souljades, +2% per Windfall.
Health % = +20% from Hero Level 20, +15% * 6 from 6 Souljades, 7.5% per Windfall.

[hidden creek]

HOLYSHT

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-monkey-shocked-mouth-open-gif-16459002

[fierce light]

Both cause Blazing Flame's scaling from Health% got nerfed by 14.2% (relative to last season) and that the BiS Hydroflare Potential is missing 12.5% Attack from last season.

It's still worth running Copper Ward if you're running Ember though. But in the meta Thunder Scorching build it's not.

[fierce light]

@mortal yew

[hidden creek]

just whatever opt that is maxed or nearly maxed, doesn't matter what the opt is, for example even range dmg bonus +12% (useless opt but maxed), if you success at transfer this opt to the jade you want then after that you can just use new recast system to change it to for example divine thunder dmg and it will be +30% divine thunder dmg (maxed)

so you use old recast system to get maxed opt on your desired jade, then use new recast system to change it to the desired opt

[ebon parrot]

Oooh

So you’re saying, just use old jades to try to get random jades to high/max attributes

Oh

Opts

Lmao I misunderstood

I thought opts was abbreviation for options as in souljade options

So first of all I still need to find a set I wanna run correct?

[hidden creek]

yes

safest best would be either hydroflare or poison

[ebon parrot]

Ok

I think I have a hydro flare from last season

I can do that

Poison

I think I’m missing one more jade

😢

Ok I’ll check them out

Thanks tabbie

[hidden creek]

anyway just use old recast system to get high % attributes on the jades

doesn't matter what attribute

[ebon parrot]

Yep yep, also for hydro flare, the rare attribute I would look for is scorching?

[hidden creek]

though 300-ish old cystals? idk if i should advise you going for the strongest build rn which is scorching hybrid thunder-hydro lol

[ebon parrot]

I wanna try this

[hidden creek]

😂

[ebon parrot]

I think I have the jades for it too

[hidden creek]

you might ended up with a messed up set of sj you know that?

[ebon parrot]

I’m just scared that my mechanics are not good enuf to play this lol

[hidden creek]

that's why i said classic hydroflare and poison would be a safer bet

[ebon parrot]

Ooh

Now I know :D

[hidden creek]

cuz they're good with rare attributes but they still function w/o them
unlike the hybrid build

you MUST get scorching on it for it to work

[ebon parrot]

Uh oh

[hidden creek]

else it's crap

[ebon parrot]

With my luck

It’s over

[hidden creek]

i'm lost again

[ebon parrot]

Alr ima work on hydro flare :)

300 should be enuf

[hidden creek]

just is it worth to use copper ward instead of solidification on thtis?

like i'm not that hungry for damages

[fierce light]

Ember procs based off your max Health & Armor (Total HP), Copper Ward effectively cuts that in half, doubling it's activation rate.

[hidden creek]

ohh

sooo if i'm not running ember

whatelse i can put into that slot? i mean like, stormsword on wuchen or something?

or maybe backfire? thunder mastery?

eh nvm, so in the end copper ward doesn't increase your burn/hydro dmg as much as it does before?

[fierce light]

Hmm, probably Defuse Aegis-Break or Stormsword if you're Wuchen/Feria.

I don't think it warrants taking off Ember though

[hidden creek]

yea... welp

lmao kinda the same result

when i replace ember with dfs aegis break

[mortal yew]

I tested it a few days ago. I didn't use copper but used Incineration. I think the damage of this set is also very good.

did 3Min 49s

This adds a lot of safety and lets you do more damage with each defuse.

for my account health is from 6699->5694 without copper

but have incineration dmg

[fierce light]

Yeah that's even better, just your first burn going to be a little weaker

[amber terrace]

this is scorching thunder build?

[amber terrace]

cuz i remember asked this =))

[fierce light]

Because of the potential changes Incineration is better.

[amber terrace]

😵‍💫

[fierce light]

Just have to make sure you're procing it every 10s

[amber terrace]

so i keep think incineration or defuse-aegis break better =))

[fierce light]

Then you'll have to defuse every 10s

[amber terrace]

and more 5%

[torpid night]

When playing on a level much higher than your current souljade level, do you gain souljades closer to the level of the board or your current equipment?

[amber terrace]

i think avg 6 jades u equipment

[mortal yew]

Incineration change to copper is

[amber terrace]

did u try on defuse-aegis break?

[mortal yew]

no

[amber terrace]

🤔

incineration get 20% but defuse-aegis break get 25%

idk what should i use yet

[mortal yew]

its different

[amber terrace]

sure

[dusk plover]

Thunder burn build is all about countering not defusing so defuse aegis break isn’t really going to be much help

[amber terrace]

but all atk of boss not is focus

[dusk plover]

He will be procing incineration more from counter into dodge then defusing attacks

[amber terrace]

and u can get buff from defuse then u can parry thunder after that

[dusk plover]

You attack the boss to build your divine thunder meter and go ice to build the meter a lot quicker

[amber terrace]

i know that but u can defuse from boss atk

and charge thunder meter

[dusk plover]

It’s not as fast or does as much damage

[dusk plover]

Defusing doesn’t charge divine meter

[amber terrace]

but u will get 25% atk from defuse

[dusk plover]

It’s the defuse attack that does and when you’re defusing you cancel after the very first hit so you’re not adding to that bar at all

[amber terrace]

while incineration just 20%

[fierce light]

They both give 25%

[amber terrace]

wait what

i remember incineration just 20%

same defuse-soli

[fierce light]

Unless I put the wrong value down, should be 25%

[dusk plover]

I mean you can run what you want and incineration is 25% too but the better choice here for quicker times is copper ward or incineration

And you wouldn’t replace flame blade or thunderproof with aegis break

[fierce light]

Yeah even CN site is saying 25%.

[dusk plover]

It’s 25%

[amber terrace]

oh i'm wrong

[dusk plover]

Also did the math and they really making us wait until the 25th before we can hit 1000 and get that flux shard there from season quests

Max you can get after reset Wednesday is literally 979 and then if doom speedrun challenge goes to needing to clear 2 on the second one goes to 999 on 9/18

[fierce light]

We didn't get it right away last time

[amber terrace]

i tested and it same quick

[dusk plover]

Yeah I was just hoping we would by the 18th, getting impatient to get them and pray I get 2 scorchings out of them lol

[dusk plover]

Not compared to copper

[amber terrace]

lol, im saying incineration and defuse-aegis break

[dusk plover]

Incineration still better with divine thunder burn build because you’re wanting to counter as much as possible since that’s where the damage is not defusing, if done right you wouldn’t be losing incineration effect ever anyways (unless boss change phase or something like that)

[amber terrace]

idk why u say incineration better

what's incineration do?

incineration - active hydroflare and get 25%
defuse- aegis get 25% after defuse

[dusk plover]

If you’re wanting the quicker time even if it’s just a few seconds you go incineration if aegis is more you’re play style then do that. That’s what I’m saying

Those few seconds count if you’re competing for times

[amber terrace]

nah

just think

are you sure boss alway use focus atk?

[dusk plover]

If you don’t care about times and placements then do whatever best suits you

[amber terrace]

and defuse can active any atk from boss or monster

[dusk plover]

That isn’t the point of the build……

[amber terrace]

and u alway get 25% from defuse-aegis break

[amber terrace]

i know u need counter to active scorching

but

i said u can get 25% from defuse at all

[dusk plover]

You are creating your own attacks to counters, if the boss throws blues that’s even better

[amber terrace]

if u defuse then dodge to active draco stride and get 25% buff from hydroflare

what's diff?

Defuse then dodge = 25% (Incineration) = Defuse get 25% (Defuse-Aegis Break) then dodge

what's diff?

[dusk plover]

The only difference again is one is better to get a quicker time than the other when playing optimally. If you’re not worried about getting times/placements or clearing as quick as you possibly can then don’t worry about it and go which ever one suits your style more

[amber terrace]

idk why u say it quicker time

while it same engine

[dusk plover]

Because it is, you play the build as optimal as you can

It’s just like if two different people had the same exact builds down to the percent on all their attributes and the boss did the same exact moves. Why would one have a better time then the other? More optimal play/less useless moves/movement

[amber terrace]

[dusk plover]

Does that make sense now?

[amber terrace]

no

[dusk plover]

Again it doesn’t matter if you’re not grinding for times and placements in Yama though

[amber terrace]

if same build, just say about player skill

not say about that

u just go in training room

and test how incineration charge thunder meter faster defuse-aegis break

i tested and it same

i just said why u say incineration charge faster than defuse-aegis

just test and record video for me

[dusk plover]

Okay how about this then. Why if I replaced incineration or aegis break and thunderproof with desperation and backfire still have a longer time then someone who went incineration and thunderproof? I’m getting a 40% boost from those two compared to just a measly 25%?

[amber terrace]

if u saying replace thunderpoof so end this now

i just say incineration = defuse-aegis

both use defuse

both get 25%

and idk why u say incineration get charge faster

btw incineration active by Defuse-Flame Blade + Draco Stride

and Defuse-Aegis just 1

[twin ledge]

Don’t think stats on ur build matter that much atm because im 6th with tarka and the top 15 players stats are 5x better than mine

Plus no one is really giving it there all till end

[dusk plover]

I never said it charged faster. I said it will give you an overall quicker run. When defusing you cancel after the very first hit to proc the flame blade which doesn’t charge divine thunder. What charges divine thunder is from your attacks. Again the difference is a few secs but when competing for times those few seconds count.

[dusk plover]

No the divine thunder burn builds are procing hydroflare from Draco and scorching

Flame blade is just there for extra burn when you have to defuse but again it’s just extra movements that top players aren’t focusing on doing with that build. The divine thunder scorching build they are moving to proc divine thunder as quickly as possible to get as much scorching hydro flare damage done as quickly as possible

[amber terrace]

that why i said incineration = defuse-aegis

i just care it get 25%

[fierce light]

You can use your Skill for Skilled Fire Chant to proc Incineration when you want as well.

[amber terrace]

cuz it same buff bye defuse

[dusk plover]

Okay then that’s why I said if you don’t care about placing times then don’t worry about it just run whatever fits your play style more

[amber terrace]

yea but sometime i forget use skill to active that

[fierce light]

It's just an optimization you can do.

Some skills you use, just to use anyway

[twin ledge]

We talking about Yama?

[amber terrace]

im not in yama

[fierce light]

Incineration vs Defuse Aegis-Break in replacing Copper Ward on Thunder Scorching build.

[twin ledge]

Ohh nvm

I thought was talking about in Yama nvm

[amber terrace]

im just say incineration or defuse aegis is better to repllace copper ward

[dusk plover]

Yep and it’s all just optimization to get better clear times

[amber terrace]

i'm do it on all mode

enigma, enigma peak, speedrun,....

[twin ledge]

What was the problem about canceling defuse?

[amber terrace]

nope

[dusk plover]

Oh I was just saying how when we defuse optimally we cancel after the first immediate hit which doesn’t charge divine thunder bar unless you let it go all the way through which isn’t optimal most of the time

[amber terrace]

that

[twin ledge]

If using tarka yea but if ur raging is full before defuse not canceling it right away is better but that’s only if u have time before another attack comes

[amber terrace]

i just say defuse-aegis = incineration

after defuse u get 25%

[dusk plover]

Talking about divine thunder scorching build not burn

[twin ledge]

Ohhh

[fierce light]

Yeah Defuse Counterattacks generate very little Thundershock from Thunderpull.

[twin ledge]

Oh nvm I’m out then I don’t like that cringe burn thunder build i honestly don’t believe it should even be as strong as it is good luck with that tho

[amber terrace]

Defuse then dodge get 25% (Incineration) = Defuse get 25% (Defuse-Aegis) then dodge

that i wanna say

it same

[fierce light]

But yeah if you're using this set up: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266668634609025076/1282770451101388916/image.png?ex=66e09094&is=66df3f14&hm=2077fadd7f541f6cddca759cbde072ac76aba132cf4ed032e4884801c12eb875&

You'll activate Incineration more than you will Defuse Aegis-Break.

• From your next melee after every Skill use.
• From your next melee after every Defuse.
• Whenever you activate Scorching from a parry.

[amber terrace]

why i say it same cuz Incineration need dodge to active draco stride and defuse -aegis just need dodge

to cancel atk

and Incinerration > Defuse -Aegis cuz potential from use Skill

[twin ledge]

Dark people took incineration off for the current stage in Yama I’ll have to see what was remove for it tho

[amber terrace]

burn after use skill then dodge to active it

[fierce light]

Defuse Aegis-Break only has one activation method:

• When you Defuse an attack.

Incineration has three activation methods.

[amber terrace]

yes

Aegis just 1, Incineration = Draco Stride + Defuse-Flame

[fierce light]

Even without the potential it has two methods that allow you to have better control of when it's going off.

[fierce light]

They went with Copper instead.
Which in the current times where you only need two Scorching procs to kill it it's more ideal

[twin ledge]

Ah yea that didn’t see copper wasn’t on

Someone did 16 seconds with kurumi on it

And they removed flaming blade and kept incineration on

[fierce light]

Oh, yeah makes sense

[dusk plover]

Okay look this will be the end of the convo but ultimately the difference is just incineration being more optimal with activating and allows more quicker gameplay which equals quicker clear times. It’s not a huge difference but it’s a difference some people want to take because they WANT that best quickest time possible. That’s all to it, besides that it’s pretty much even

[amber terrace]

wait what, really?

[fierce light]

One Scorching Lv. 12 deletes the bar iirc

[twin ledge]

I’ll screenshot but ima blur the name because some people like the get mad over a screenshot some reason but hold up

[dusk plover]

I was honestly curious about doing that if you had max scorching and just ignore defusing in general

[fierce light]

So you can probably just use Skill at the start, proc Skilled Fire Chant, proc Incineration, then go for Scorching.

[amber terrace]

i guess he use potential

[twin ledge]

I don’t have scorch’s or many because I got rid of all mine

[amber terrace]

[fierce light]

If Skyfire worked off Hydroflares like it does in Nirriti, it would be perfect for this set up.

[amber terrace]

wait, Inceration has 3 methods, i just know from draco + defuse, potential so last is?

[fierce light]

You'll activate Incineration more than you will Defuse Aegis-Break.

• From your next melee after every Skill use.
• From your next melee after every Defuse.
• Whenever you activate Scorching from a Parry.

[twin ledge]

there

[amber terrace]

oh

[twin ledge]

i just colored over it wasnt letting me blur it some reason

[amber terrace]

i guess from F

to active incineration

[fierce light]

Yup, Kurumi Skill at the start, get Incineration going, boss throws a focus attack, first phase is down.
2nd phase you build Thunder Counter asap, then finish.

[twin ledge]

they broke the ice at start first

and by time it comes up boss already dead

[amber terrace]

lol, look like i know u saying who

[fierce light]

Yeah can break it during transition from Orb to Void phase.

[twin ledge]

it would seem they spammed charge then buffed there selfs right before orb came out

and that isnt the eu player

they are na

[amber terrace]

how do u make boss focus atk on you?

i tried 5 times and it alway normal atk

[ebon parrot]

omg yay and bruh at the same time

[fierce light]

No way to force it that ik of, just restart the run till it starts with that.

[amber terrace]

[amber terrace]

oh no

[fierce light]

I'd deconstruct that tbh

[amber terrace]

deconstruct that

[ebon parrot]

ight

[amber terrace]

u use old recast system?

[twin ledge]

Can still use that I thought they weee getting rid of old?

[amber terrace]

if u has old crystal

[fierce light]

Old goes away after next patch

[ebon parrot]

ye

guys take or no?

i think taking it might work, but im gonna miss that max attribute 😭

[fierce light]

Why're you working on Defuse Aegis-Break anyway?

[ebon parrot]

wait sht

yea why tf was it even in my build

holyyyyy🥲

thanks zero

I think it was cuz I was trying to run hydro flare but didn’t have copper ward and it was there and I just kept using it

[polar light]

the boss need to not move when he spawn while increasing thunder then parry attack parry and then F kill egg

[torpid night]

Thank You.

[fierce light]

Nice xbox got a full screen on the top stage.

[hearty rivet]

wow, on pc 2+ minute kills start at rank 18 o.o

[stable pawn]

Hey, anyone up for showdown? ^^

[inner pebble]

can u do that with wuchen? parry the thunder?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | xXAaGokuXx leveled up!

[inner pebble]

my wuchen jades

[fierce light]

You just need the Thunder Counter Souljade to parry it.

[inner pebble]

so i should replace ember jade for thunder counter?

[fierce light]

If you're looking for the Thunder-Scorching build, then it's this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266668634609025076/1282770451101388916/image.png?ex=66e09094&is=66df3f14&hm=2077fadd7f541f6cddca759cbde072ac76aba132cf4ed032e4884801c12eb875&

[lucid ore]

Does Windfall increase moderation %?

[fierce light]

No

The quantity of Souljades only seems to be affected by your current fatigue and if you use a Rune Key.

So it's safe to assume it affects the quality of the drops, but Luck so far has had really negligible effects. Not worth sacrificing the damage for.

[twin ledge]

ik

im not building that build tho last season already burned me out so im doing refarming like that so i just made a guess on what u did

[rigid tusk]

Can someone here explain to me how the quest Counter a Divine Thunder once in Nirriti's Ruins work?

[spice canyon]

Take thunder element at the start of nirriti and find at least 4 "element" type of anima, you will get additional anima that build up thunder (yellow bar) and be able to counter divine thunder

[rigid tusk]

Thank you

[warped pumice]

how do i complete this

[spice canyon]

it's weekly quest (typo), wait for next weekly reset

[undone knoll]

Any tips for beating Immovable on Hard? I have pretty much breezed through almost everything up to here, and now this feels impossible. Playing Feria, Yoto, and Viper.

[warped pumice]

oh okay, ty

[hidden creek]

level up your sense first

[undone knoll]

The requirement is like 750 and I am at 760

Do I need to keep climbing? At this point I just feel like I am bad lmao

[hidden creek]

just get it to 1000 then go back and clear them all at once

you'll need to level up your sense anyway

[undone knoll]

How can I get it up to 1000? I feel like I would have to grind for ages, since I can't get drops higher than 760 or so anyway

[hidden creek]

with ur current sense, nirriti

[undone knoll]

I see, so Nirriti will continue to drop higher and higher sense jades?

[hidden creek]

yes

[spice canyon]

#👾┃showdown message
just keep playing, element build could be useful for that stage

nirriti is best place to level up sense, go enigma if you able to clear it

[hidden creek]

all the way to 1010

just run normal

spam it

[undone knoll]

Perfect, thanks guys

[polar light]

if u ever think about doing it and i strongly suggest to u or anybody else since its still the second week of the season and still there is too much time to build it

plus is the strongest build RN

and i strongly suggest (if u r lucky) to have 2 windfalls on Thunderpull +Thunder counter+ Thunderproof For future metas and to have 12 scorching on Draco defuse flaming blade and copper

[robust portal]

does anyone know if you get more souljade drops if you choose not to go into the golden shop portals and just go into monster portals instead?

[hidden creek]

you don't

[robust portal]

alright thanks

[heavy gulch]

Can someone help me with my potential &stuff. Pls ty

[mild quiver]

What do you want to achieve?

[heavy gulch]

Mmm i feel like my damage is too low honestly

Im playing a Thunderbuild

Rn but something seems off

[mild quiver]

Go green potential table then

Can you share your build?

The jade I meant, the potential regarding thunder is just green table

[heavy gulch]

Yes gimme a min, im not at my pc rn

[heavy gulch]

@mild quiver

[mild quiver]

What hero are u using this for?

Ah wait, probably Viper right

[heavy gulch]

yes^^

[mild quiver]

Viper is not that good of a hero for using thunder build, for thunder you mainly want hero that have ability to hit a lot

Like Feria and Wuchen

[rigid tusk]

Can someone help me with this im at 1010 sense level now what is the best way to farm jade for recasting if you never did it before?

[mild quiver]

Go to enigma, kill 3 bosses, leave, repeat

[heavy gulch]

@mild quiver i got my potenial like this now but eh idk

[mild quiver]

#👾┃showdown message

Someone pin this already too

You can reference from here, these people know much better than me

Also I'm pretty sure people don't usually run thunder build on it own, more often than not, thunder build is used in conjunction with another build, like burn and hydroflare

[hidden creek]

Your build is just weak

just go classic thunder build

Thunderpull, Thunder Counter, Thunderproof, Sub-Zero Seal, Ice Break, & Spring's Call

[heavy gulch]

i got that build too if i remember right lemme check

[hidden creek]

thunder sword do literally nothing on this build
and sap is a defensive soul jade

so you got 2/6 jades that doesn't gives any damages

plus if you want thunder build to be good you need high % of divine thunder dmg

[heavy gulch]

Ill have a look into it after my match^^

[hidden creek]

i would advise just go for hydroflare or poison build atm though

cheap, effective and don't require any rare attributes to start working

[hard glade]

@fierce light what are best attributes to have on the new hybrid build ?
(Atk + boss DMG + health or Atk + boss DMG + Divine thunder...) apart from having 4 Scorching rares on jade

[hidden creek]

hp attk boss dmg, if u got windfall replace boss dmg
divine thunder deal 0 dmg on that build

[fallow mural]

Nightscream ruins is way too overtuned... Sometimes getting one shot at boss two with almost max fire forge and ten bars of armour minimum :/

[fierce light]

Ideal Thunder build for Viper is:

• Thunderpull
• Thunder Counter
• Thunderproof
• Sub-Zero Seal
• Ice Break
• Spring's Call

You'll hit significantly harder, especially on your Thunder Counters.

There's a more meta build out currently though, but it requires high investment to pull off.

[fierce light]

Attack and Health

[thorn narwhal]

when are they gonna patch this, 1 lvl per run is taking forever

[hallow drum]

Where do you farm sense level im currently 750 doing normal mode only since hard is like 790 above.

[safe umbra]

its really worth to go on thunder+ice in one build?

[thorn narwhal]

nirrits normal too but its terrible atm

[safe umbra]

nirrits normal seems to be the best option. After You got around 850 its worth to consider enigma domain

[fierce light]

It increases your attack essentially by 75% for 10s whenever you parry. 20% by default.

[fierce light]

Next patch they're increasing it a little. Hopefully the fix the drop rates too.

Nirriti Normal takes like 3-4 minutes though once you get it down. Shopping makes it around 5-6 minutes

[safe umbra]

wow, maybe i will try that

[hallow drum]

So nirits normal until lvl 850?

[fierce light]

Yeah or whenever you're comfortable to start Enigma

[fathom bobcat]

I'm not sure about enigma after they raised fatigue from 15 to 30 here. I personally raised my sense level to 1020+ in Nirriti Normal.
Although, if in Nirriti fatigue is 45 when next week showdown starts, enigma will make sense again

[fierce light]

Enigma was always 30 fatigue. But there's a strat where you just clear the first 3 Bosses for 10 fatigue.

[hallow drum]

Does the nirriti hard have sense recommendation? I cant see any

And also are anima rings applicable only to nirriti?

[hidden creek]

it doesn't

[hidden creek]

yes

[fluid steppe]

can you share the poison build? plus stats and potential please

[hidden creek]

these 4 jades is the core of poison build, last 2 you can pretty much equips whatever that suits your playstyle/buff ur damages/stacking poison faster

for potential this is mandatory

last 12 points you go 1 of these 4

[fluid steppe]

Thanks buddy

[hallow drum]

Whats the sense level to easy beat nirriti hard?

[hidden creek]

sense level doesn't work in nirriti

so it doesn't matter

[fierce light]

Nirriti has it's own progression system, you just keep playing it to get stronger (check Fire Forge).

[hidden creek]

@fierce light which heroes that cyan fang is worth to use on poison build beside viper?

[fierce light]

Kurumi and Matari so far

Seems to do a crap ton of extra accumulation for Kurumi, and is just Matari's best DPS option.

[hidden creek]

🤔

how about valda and tianhai

[fierce light]

Still have to frame count and test the accumulation for them, but Staff and Spear just have such low DPS on their Uncharged Combos I don't think it's worth. Plus in practical tests it's hard to pull it off consistently cause of how long it takes.

[hidden creek]

i see

thanks

[hard glade]

Hybrid build is good on all heroes?

[fierce light]

Yeah just requires you to be good at Thunder Counter

[golden osprey]

can recast get specific attribute guys ?

[hidden creek]

bruh they gonna delete moderation

[mild quiver]

Finally finished the 3 challenges where you have to use specific heroes to clear nirri nightscream or above

Now the rest can be pluck out one by one by using Wuchen for ease

[hearty rivet]

Funny when scorching builds pull ahead by mile to everything else o_O

[mild quiver]

But there are 4 that I think I won't be able to do at all
-Not using more than 3 recovery item
-Pick only 3 types of anima rings
-Not using rebirth
-Have 10% or less health left (this one might be doable if I have Divinity Guard, but it will make the run hard af still)

[hidden creek]

yeah and they even buffed the dmg coefficient of scorching from 0.26 to 1.36

[hearty rivet]

Oh, google didn't translate that part completely. wtf

but hey only one scorched 3 will be better than current scorched 12, so yay?

[hidden creek]

thundercounter now also gives scorching by default

[hearty rivet]

At least my viper moderation build was able to shine for 2 weeks 🥲

[hidden creek]

moderation stat removed, existed moderation opt can choose to change to scorching or windfall

[hearty rivet]

"The upper limit of spiritual consciousness level is increased from 1030 to 1080." This is a bit ugh... will they raise the level of souljades we get from places too or we'll wait for weekly quests to catch up with the level?

[fierce light]

WHAT?!?!?

[hidden creek]

you read it right

[fierce light]

Annoying, that just placed Burn builds even further above all else

[hidden creek]

yeah

which is... unexpected

what i was expecting is they gonna do something to tune down the hybrid build

but they did the opposite?

[mild quiver]

Was ice build ever a thing

[fierce light]

Ice was already powercrept by Poison

[hearty rivet]

It's kinda the vibe of this season. Lots of feedback were given and random or opposite responses were given

[fierce light]

But now that Ice Moderation is gone, there's no reason to run it even if you had a strong set up before.

Just invalidated my Ice Build I started on and invalidated my Moderation Poison build I wanted to start...

[hidden creek]

bro they basically FORCED us to play that build

which was NOT good for us, at all

[fierce light]

I said make Scorching into a Souljade, not keep Scorching and put it on a Souljade....

[hidden creek]

😂 it's the translator's fault

[fierce light]

Smdh

Well at least it's going to be easier to make a Thunder-Scorching build, but jeez

[hearty rivet]

Oh not just build-wise and it may be personal but found a lot of changes that make already concerning aspects of the pve gameplay worse in my eyes.

But yeah that we don't have build diversity again is a bit sad.

[fierce light]

I'll have to see what the patch notes say tommorow, cause this might be an error

0.26 to 1.36 makes Scorching have a higher base damage than a full Thunder Counter.

[amber terrace]

so thunder scorching build still fine?

[hidden creek]

yep
they made these changes literally based on the new build

for it to became completely broken

[mortal yew]

i think is fake news bro

[drifting lance]

🎉 | 卡卡西[EU]kakashi leveled up!

[hidden creek]

let's see

[mortal yew]

bro 1.26

[amber terrace]

i read note in test sv but don't say about remove moderation

[mortal yew]

i use thunder can 5s kill boss

test server didnt say it

its fake bro

[amber terrace]

fake from trash idol douyin

[fierce light]

Lmao

Not even April Fools

[hearty rivet]

😩

[dusk plover]

That’s fake

[bronze wharf]

do i need to check my CPU is cooked ?

[sleek dove]

what could i exchange my sap for?

[hidden creek]

why are you using stormsword and thunder mastery on this build...

[bronze wharf]

Cyan Feng , personal Wielding jade or Arcane Thunder ? something like that

[sleek dove]

cause i dont have the freeze stuff

[mild quiver]

Be better

[hidden creek]

bro go farm them

[mild quiver]

Any jade that increase dmg tbh

[sleek dove]

i have played about 50 miasma swirl on nightscream and i cant get the dumb subzero jade

[hidden creek]

wtf

[mild quiver]

I mean, I farm the entire last season without getting stormstride sword, only after using the faded jade did I get it

[fierce light]

Thunder-Wielding Souljade (if not Wuchen; Wild Windspout is really bad), Desperation Shield, Renewed Vigor (activates on parry & defuse if you have the potential), Stormstride (if not Wuchen; can interweave between Thunder Counter & after any attack) or Outrage

[sleek dove]

i found an arcane thunder jade thatl doo for now

i just need a sub zero jade then i have an actual set

also what kind of stats am i looking for on the jades when i have the ice/lightning set

[hidden creek]

divine thunder dmg
attk
dmg to boss

[sleek dove]

so get rid of armor cooldown reduction and dmg reduction?

[hidden creek]

tbh

it's kinda not worth building this set atm

better just go for hydroflare

and work your way toward thunder-hydro hybrid

[sleek dove]

can you send me a potential tree and the jades for it

[inner pebble]

👀

[hidden creek]

hydroflare

[sleek dove]

i think il try but i use defuse to rarely

[hidden creek]

hmm

you should learn to be good at using it

higher contents requires lots of defusing

[sleek dove]

u just dodge roll

[cloud river]

lol

[sleek dove]

but i guess il try i just dont like it

what potentials are you using for that

[hidden creek]

there's moment when your only choice is to defuse

don't forget there's time attack too

defuse and follow with a counterattack or roll and deals 0 dmg

your choice

[hidden creek]

last 3 points to the top right, similar to left side

[sleek dove]

so i usualy play kurumi or viper wich of the two sets suits better? @hidden creek

[hidden creek]

what two sets

[sleek dove]

wich you posted

the jades

[hidden creek]

oh

1st is a safer option but lower damages

2nd higher damages but more risky cuz you got no armor

[sleek dove]

i mean in higher lvl it dosent matter cause onetaps are just common

[hidden creek]

eh it's not that common

[plucky fog]

really?

[hidden creek]

not

looks like fake new

wait for official patch note

[fierce light]

One taps are mostly a thing while you're underleveled.

[dusk plover]

Was only common in old Yamas 58+, now there’s not anywhere you should be getting one tapped unless you’re under leveled

[fluid steppe]

does potential affect on Nirriti or only normal mode?

[fluid steppe]

I see, thanks you buddy

[twin ledge]

I’m good and if really wanted I could do it at anytime full burn and full thunder build I have

But would rather never stoop that low for that build

Bro ain’t no way I choked a 20 second time by getting frozen reason didn’t reset when I froze was because was just warming up but if I knew was gonna do this would of tried harder I’m pissed

Same time as my fastest time already could of at least beat that tho

[hearty rivet]

wtf omnius remained orb till ~10% then started 1st phase

[twin ledge]

Wym

Did u not counter the orb?

[hearty rivet]

when you start the encounter

he remained orb until I smacked him down till ~10% health then turned into 1st form of omnius

[twin ledge]

Well if u didn’t kill orb by then he when go blue just wait for the counter sound then counter

Should be able to have time to defuse 2 times before

But I could record it for u then send u when after this game

[hearty rivet]

I'm confused, but sure!

[twin ledge]

I’ll just record I don’t like the counter sound tbh so I’ll just show u when

[hearty rivet]

thanks

[twin ledge]

Game almost done but ima send u it in private message when I record it

[ebon parrot]

Guys, is the red secret from codex after guarantee after I get useless rock?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | DooDooDoopy leveled up!

[fierce light]

Not guaranteed.

[fierce light]

Oh nice I got em both one run.

Useless Rock on Floor 1, Not So Useless on Floor 6

Normal Difficulty.

[hard glade]

Amazing !

I still need to find it

Which hero you used for the run?

[fierce light]

Viper Ning

For how rare it is, it didn't really help my run tbh

[polar light]

Wdym with that?

[dusk plover]

I’m guessing using rares in builds?

But he has jades with double rares too so idk

[twin ledge]

Just saying not wasting my time to build it when it’s just gonna change in like 80 days

[fierce light]

Honestly don't know how they could nerf it enough without making Scorching bad again or just outright removing it.

[twin ledge]

They could change how it works with the thunder counter jade

Scorching doesn’t need to be nerfed just that build needs to be

Nothing is gonna keep up with that build in later stages in Yama

But fr fr tho not nerfed somehow I most likely quiting just don’t feel like one build should be that broken

[dusk plover]

I mean it’s no different than Ice moderation on mobbing

I mean like it’s the equivalent of ice moderation on mobbing but for bosses

[twin ledge]

Don’t think killing a boss that’s 1020 in 4 or 3 hits is anything like that tbh but like I said how I feel my opinion

[fathom bobcat]

However, this only works on simple mobs without aegis, on mobs with aegis ice build on moderation is not so good anymore. And this build is average when it comes to fighting bosses.
In addition, it has competitive counterpart in the form of poison, which imho works better on enemies with aegis, including bosses. But it's not certain.
Broken build through counterattack thunder and burning allows you to one shoot everything that moves. And everything that doesn't move, move and exterminate instantly. It looks probably even worse than the old ultimative build through hydroflare, which everyone got tired of in six months.

I'll remind, btw, that ice build in relatively pure form for the entire showdown was only competitive for 1,5 month from early February through second half of March 2024. It was weaker than dominant thunder counterattack, but simpler and still strong.
And IIRC, some genius only came up with moderation ice sometime around late spring/summer of this year. Developers in season 2 gave pure ice build with yushan shadows as recommended, but how to do minimum enough damage with them against serious enemies and even more so defuse freeze on heroes like Viper is great mystery.

[fierce light]

Yeah Ice just doesn't have the base multipliers to keep up. Honed Darkness was nice when it was a potential since it allowed you to essentially proc Ice Blast off cooldown, allowing it to somewhat compete with Thunder Counter.

There's hardly any downfall to the Thunder Scorch build aside from the initial cost, i wouldn't be surprised if we see our first Solo Enigma Peak this season.

[lucid ore]

Any fast way to farm carved jade?

[dusk plover]

Was Including the poison moderation too but my main point was having max rares on a build to make it way too OP clearing everything in its path in its respective area. Yeah it’s strong as fuck when maxed because of the recent patch and people found a way to proc it more. Complaining about the scorching but not the windfalls and moderation is what’s confusing me. It’s not like that build is Easy asf to get like all the past builds so it’s understandable to me about being so strong. Do I think it’s a little much? Yeah a little but do I think it needs taken away otherwise people quit? Nah. If you’re going to do that might as well get rid of rares all together and ruin any type of end game grinding/competitiveness or goals is has rn

[fathom bobcat]

Nirriti's ruins, normal? As far as I understand it, carved jade still falls worse in enigma than in ruins/old yama. Either way, it's not a quick process, unfortunately. Especially against background of how quickly these crystals are spent.

[fathom bobcat]

but not the windfalls
This property is included by default in any build.
and moderation
Because it only works in very limited builds on few heroes? It are also not universal.
If you don't make specific build on moderation, then this property is garbage for you. Unlike the other two.
My point is not that scorching should be removed, my point is that it looks broken.

I'm in favor of having as many different builds (including ranged weapons) that are competitive with each other as possible, rather than one ultimatum option.

[dusk plover]

The main reason it is is due to the windfalls increasing you’re health and attack when all at a max on top of the new scorching buff. Having 4 scorchings and 6-8 windfalls you’re going to clear anything and everything in your path so complaining about that is really just complaining about rares. Not everyone is going to get there. I only have lv 6 scorching and 4 windfalls and it’s still not beating my burn build with copper on. Everyone complaining I’ve seen don’t have the build while the people that do haven’t (that I’ve seen of). Maybe the scorching damage is a little bit much but overall I don’t see much wrong with it due to how much you actually have to put into it. No matter what build it is(viable ones), when you have 6-8 windfalls it’s going to be/look broken.

To me it’s like seeing a preteen whose saved up his money from working/chores to go buy a candy bouquet for himself getting yelled at and hated for by the other kids because they don’t have it/can’t have it yet because they didn’t save/no money for it currently and think he should get rid of it.

Let the people have their candy bouquet for a bit that’s all, maybe knock down scorching a little to like 20% more damage than the burn jades combined not the 35% (15% off what it’s at) or something dark said it was lol. Let them have that bit of satisfaction after playing for so long (non CN since they get that satisfaction all the time 😂)

[thorn narwhal]

what's your drops rate like

[fathom bobcat]

If its broken, its broken. Its not a matter of getting a bunch of rare properties (which is required for absolutely all top builds, lol), it's a matter of it being a head above everything else. I thought same thing about last season and build on hydroflare with 4 scorchings on max. I don't mind people grind hard for the sake of getting perfect stats and rare properties and getting the reward they deserve, I mind that it gives an incredible efficiency gap.

[fathom bobcat]

I have bunch of showdown materials in my inventory, at least enough to make one very good build, I guess (especially if break rest of jades). But I don't really want to do something like that.

[dusk plover]

I can see your point and where your coming from. From a game developer view point though, those rewards and gap you get from the rest is what gets people to continue playing more and more and the players something to strive for otherwise it gets boring/dies out quickly which is why I think it’s a good thing at the end of the day. Gotta understand they’re a business and honestly out of the crappy money grabbing stuff they’ve done so far this isn’t bad at all imo

Kind of like black myth wukong. After ng +3 you unlock really cracked op stuff so people want to continue playing to get to that point and experience all that level of OP. Gives them something to go for that forces them to continue playing. I think that’s why they made the scorching the way it is and haven’t changed anything about it yet. We will see tomorrow though, still think it should stay around 15-20% more damage than the burn jades combined at lv 12 but that’s just me