👾┃showdown

[subtle bramble]

I've unlocked everything on fire forge in terms of the codex

Got gambit a bunch but divinity and useless ain't showin up

[eternal torrent]

idk this mode is sadly so undersupported, i've only played my shitty matari and got it after grinding solo/random

[subtle bramble]

yeah it's def very luck based, but not sure if we know the percentages

[fierce light]

I get that a lot whenever I run Poison Essence

[eternal torrent]

no :)

[subtle bramble]

I usually go with poison 🥲 hopefully it'll show up eventually

[eternal torrent]

Dark is Poison meta in any particular mode? Can I just keep thunder builds?

[subtle bramble]

oh wait I mixed em up, i have divinity just missing divine army

and useless + inferno ofc

Anything specific needed to be done to get divine army or no?

[fierce light]

Have to wait till they release the Cursed Chests again next week. Not sure how it's going to work since we can't activate Honed Status in Nirriti.

[scenic cliff]

Can the poison build make it into the top 3, or will fire dominate every season? 💀

[fierce light]

Finding Where Souljades Drop

On My Sheet

1. Head to my Souljade Database Spreadsheet.

• Enter the name of the Souljade you want to find under Souljade Name.
• The possible locations will display on the right.

In-Game

1. In the Showdown Lobby, go to the Preparation tab.

• Enter Equip Souljades.
• Go down to Souljade Conversion.
• To the right of the Convert button, there is a symbol; click on that.

There will be tabs you can go through that show what stage unlocks/drops each Souljade.

[eternal torrent]

thank you! was this in the google doc?

[fierce light]

Google Doc hasn't been updated in some time.

I just made that recently.

[eternal torrent]

this should be pinned

wait thunderproof huh??

[hidden creek]

lower your thunder bar so you could stack it up faster

[eternal torrent]

oooh

[short meadow]

@distant cypress you should pin this

[supple crown]

What is the reason that burn builds are not mentioned ?
Does burn now deal aegis damage ?

I missed what happened

[fierce light]

Burn isn't elemental damage, but yeah it's the current strongest with Hydroflare.

[supple crown]

It is still stronger than poison and thunder right ?

[fierce light]

Yes, for Bossing.

[whole pebble]

@fierce light have you unlocked all new Anigma Rings now? im still hunting for the useless stone and red. feels like forever.

[fierce light]

Nope, still have some to get to 3/3 and missing the useless stone + not so useless.

They made it so hard to focus a build now. Kinda annoying.

[flat pier]

i have never even seen that useless stone xD

@fierce light in incineration build, which souljade trigger divine thunder, ice blast or poison blast?

because you said to use "Divine Spirit" in potential.. so i am wondering

[twin ledge]

Just got the gambit ring @fierce light and tbh In my opinion it’s no good

[fierce light]

The Silhouttes are only if you're going for a elemental focused build.
For Hydroflare builds you want Blazing Flame and Water and Fire Raging ASAP.

[alpine gate]

If anyone wants to help me run through showdown I'd be so grateful 🥲

[twin ledge]

With out the discard ring

[fierce light]

Yeah it's pretty troll.

[flat pier]

@fierce light this one this one

[twin ledge]

Well with the the discard ring it’s not bad

[fierce light]

Oh that lol. You'll do elemental blast over time just from having Wielding on your Jades.

[flat pier]

ahhhhhhh

[fierce light]

The other side is useless if you don't have any Thunderbolts

[flat pier]

so incineration is best for bossing this season, counter charged attack applies burn, dodge cancel, normal attacks > defuse > burn > dodge cancel

that's it right?

i been playing skyfire last season so incineration is new and i am still building that and learning.. XD

[fierce light]

Counterstrike applies Burn only if you have Scorching. But for the most part you Defuse everything and Dodge after until you do get it.

[flat pier]

managed to get 1 lvl 2 scorching so far... XD still trying lol

[twin ledge]

Ok this gambit ring is useless and I can’t even get rid of it because game keeps giving boss choice

[supple crown]

thats an easy lvl 3 scorch
problem is getting it

[flat pier]

yeah, can't switch windfall to scorching by recasting.. if only... T_T

[fierce light]

You can, just not guarantee it

[supple crown]

I am thinking about a poison burn build with green red potential
Have you tried hybrid ?

[fierce light]

Issue with that is you either have to give up Poisonous Assault (first Toxin Blast is delayed till your 2nd Poison Blast) or Blazing Flame (significantly reduces the damage output of Burn and makes it not scalable).

[flat pier]

so it is quite set in stone that burn is the way to go this season? o.0?

[twin ledge]

Thunder can keep up in my opinion if u can keep boss Argo on ur team at all times but most bosses won’t allow that

[supple crown]

Cant remove Blazing flame ofc but Poisonous Assault only says decreases stacks for blast which maybe not needed. Not sure how many stacks it reduces but if it is like 6->5 it might be not that important

[fierce light]

Hydroflare is the top atm yeah. But only for bossing.

[flat pier]

this is a good time to break this right? to change windfall on my raging flame to scorching

[supple crown]

The jades might mitigate its lack of stacks for damage wise

[flat pier]

do i need windfall in incineration build o.0?.. sorry, can you do a short for incineration build like this and pin it too 😄 sorry for bothering a lot o.o

[late raptor]

wow john im still hunting it for 5 days

[fierce light]

Well they also conflict in their playstyles. Burn wants boss Aegis to be up as long as possible, but Poison breaks it quickly. You could probably get away with not running Infectious Touch or Pestilent Pool if you're not going to equip Poisonous Assault.

[twin ledge]

The ring is a troll I’ve never seen something more cringe

[fierce light]

If it's your only rare, you can recast it till another rare appears.

Only use Flux materials for your 2nd rare.

[twin ledge]

It only gives u one ring choice forcing me to grab and gives another so would do it in normal

[supple crown]

Problem is I feel like the bosses aegis decreases a lot
They changed the damage dealt both on health and aegis now maybe ? I feel bosses aegises break a lot now compared to before ..

[twin ledge]

Nah boss just not as tanky as last season

[late raptor]

XD only need it as the last secret anima

[twin ledge]

Do hard solo

That’s how I got it

[fierce light]

When everyone was running Burn, we weren't doing much Aegis-Damage. Burn goes right under Aegis, whereas everything else goes through Aegis.

[twin ledge]

Didn’t even know it existed till that game

[fierce light]

Poison Blast does slightly more Aegis Damage than a Parry + Counterstrike and 4-5 times the Health Damage.

[twin ledge]

Bro this boss for Yama getting on my nerves

Bro dark why this goofy boss keep going into it’s wave stage no matter what I do

[hidden creek]

idek if this is worth taking even on heroes that ultilize stormsword the best

[fierce light]

If he starts spawning his waves or goes into his Omnious Beast form pretty much restart the run

[twin ledge]

I could done 20 or 30 seconds so many times

No I get hp to where it needs to transform into orb but it doesn’t it does wave attack no matter what

[fierce light]

If they didn't nerf Skyfire build, it would be good.

[twin ledge]

It’s bugged

Because I’ve got it’s hp there way before boss he decides to go under but it does it everytime

Something isn’t right

[hidden creek]

why tho

[twin ledge]

I got rid of my skyfire no point having it

Which I shouldn’t because the ice being able to defuse would make it decent at least

[fierce light]

You'd run what you have + Untouchable Talent on Wuchen & Feria for Skyfire build.

[hidden creek]

idk, thunderbolts deals like 0 dmg or something

and i got to spend 11 points just to get that 25% thunderbolt dmg inc

[twin ledge]

Yea dark something isn’t right with this boss

[hidden creek]

while i can just spend 6 points for thunderous power and get a 10% inc

[twin ledge]

It’s going under and doing wave attack after I got hp low enough

Ima go increase sense to 1020 see what happens at 1013 for my burn atm

Prob increase some hp on it a little too

[fierce light]

Individually yeah it's weak. It needs like 9+ hits on a single attack to be worth.

• On Wuchen it mutliplies the damage on his Defuse Counterattack by x2.3 and x1.1 for his Martial Skill (with Aegis-Break Rage).
• x2.1 for Feria's Defuse Counterattack, x1.33 for her Martial Skill (with Aegis-Break Rage).

[hidden creek]

hmm

i don't even use those 2 skill that much anymore

not to mention now i wanna parry more than defuse cuz i got lots of scorching on my jades

[fierce light]

On Wuchen you should pretty much always use it, it's his best DPS option even without Aegis-Break Rage. On Feria though you should only use it if you have Aegis-Break Rage.

If you're running Scorching build though you won't have room for Stormstride Sword anyway.

[hidden creek]

not exactly ''scorching build''

standard hydroflare build but i just got like lv12 scorching

eh

ig it doesn't matter

doesn't really make a difference

[fierce light]

Yeah you don't run it with Hydroflare build, especially not now.

It was a Skyfire exclusive pretty much to make up for the downtime between Burns.

[hidden creek]

how do you play hydroflare wuchen anyway

his defuse send him backward

and his defuse counterattack doesn't move him at all

[fierce light]

You generally don't, or you cancel the defuse on activation so it doesn't send you backwards.

[hidden creek]

then what build for wuchen atm?

[twin ledge]

I have a video how he is played on Draco u want?

[fierce light]

Personally think he performs better on Poison/Thunder right now, unless you get high Scorching on a Thunder-Hydro Build.

[twin ledge]

Someone from cn

[hidden creek]

sure gimme

[twin ledge]

Ok let me find

[fierce light]

You can dodge cancel forward as soon as the defuse activates to stay in place

[hidden creek]

poison huh

soo this?

[buoyant notch]

Excuse the interruption, if a well seasoned player wouldn’t mind giving me some advice for a good build for matari or kurumi in this meta

[hidden creek]

scorching thunder-hydro is king

next best would be hydro or classic thundercounter build ig

bruh i just realized scorching is the core for every best builds atm

[twin ledge]

@hidden creek I sent u it in private message

[hidden creek]

👌

thanks

bruh i misclicked ignore

😂

can you send again

[twin ledge]

Ok

[buoyant notch]

The what

[twin ledge]

U get?

[buoyant notch]

Assume I know nothing

[fierce light]

Only good really in two builds: Thunder-Hydro and Hydro.

[buoyant notch]

fire water thunder or fire water?

[hidden creek]

isn't it classic thundercounter build also run green tree?

i mean yeah ofc if you got like tons on windfall on ur setup then nvm but

[fierce light]

Talking about absolute end-game builds.

But to start I'd recommend getting new set of Poison Jades to hold you off while you build a Thunder-Hydro set:

• Thunderpull
• Thunder Counter
• Thunderproof
• Draco Stride
• Copper Ward
• Defuse Flaming Blade

[hidden creek]

scorching works too cuz you run green tree and do lots of counters anyway no?

[twin ledge]

I’m doing green for my thunder and drops 33k now with boss down each counter

[buoyant notch]

I’ve made it to nightmare when it first came out way back. And I revisited when hydro first dropped too. But I didn’t stay long enough to really learn

[twin ledge]

If only we could have 7 jades at once thunder be so much better could either run a bolt jade or awakening with springs call

[fierce light]

Yeah, but Scorching has a really long duration (18 seconds). If you don't run Hydroflare, there is a strong chance you're going to do a lot of overwritting of Burns.

[buoyant notch]

Bet

[hidden creek]

i see

damn all the end game builds takes alot of resources

[fierce light]

Yeah I hate that they're pushing the meta towards who has the most rares

[hidden creek]

no rare attribute no dmg

and they took away old recast system

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-fuck-frustrated-gif-13611303

[fierce light]

They could at least add a pity system for it like wtf

Spending 200+ crystals, not a single rare.

No rares dropping on Souljades

[twin ledge]

Yo dark ima try defuse aegis and take off ember for wuchen and redo that Yama

Boss is dead before I can even get 2 embers off

[fierce light]

Ember is iffy on him since he's sometimes out of range for it to go off.

Doesn't help he's the only Hero with an ideal range due to his Aegis-Break

[twin ledge]

The video I sent tabbie cn player was attacking a certain way after this defuse and ember always hit boss

[hidden creek]

yeah i saw

[twin ledge]

Would do solid but 25% more attack I feel like would help

[hidden creek]

that defuse animation cancel was something

i'm just too used to skyfire tsk

[twin ledge]

Nah dark losing ember no good

With wuchen need ember

The aegis fr looked like it made it worse

@fierce light u think they ever increase how many jade we will be able to have?

Bro boss won’t stop doing wave

Ok something is def bugged for boss

[hearty rivet]

yeah last week to give our souljades decent stats relatively easily 😔

[dusk plover]

Gotta kill him before he does wave. Best to time your attack/damage close to a little above half then take out the rest during his next combo

[twin ledge]

?

U didn’t read what I said?

I’m getting boss down to the hp it needs to be everytime but he goes under right after

Which shouldn’t happen

[dusk plover]

Yeah you’re not doing it right

[twin ledge]

?

How u gonna tell me what I’m not when u can’t even see what is happen

[dusk plover]

^

[twin ledge]

Like come on now

[dusk plover]

Because I know exactly what you’re talking about since it kept happening to me so I’m telling you how to bypass it

[twin ledge]

I’m good

[dusk plover]

He’s programmed to do wave at about half and then if you get him down to that small amount at the end of one of his attack combos it’ll automatically stop all damage until he does wave

[twin ledge]

And I’ve already beat it in 42 seconds just trying to 30

@dusk plover Ik this

[dusk plover]

Then why complain about it being bugged if you already know it’s not and it’s just programmed?

[twin ledge]

Ok then clearly u didn’t read what I typed before

[dusk plover]

I can’t go under 45sec because I only have 3 windfalls and no scorching

[twin ledge]

Don’t think windfalls matter at this time tho

Boss dies with a love tap atm

[dusk plover]

That’s hilarious

[twin ledge]

i only have 3 windfalls too

[dusk plover]

Yeah redo it without the windfalls

Definitely not getting close to 45 secs without them

[twin ledge]

I did it with my thunder build in 48 seconds

[dusk plover]

You mean the one with the double windfalls?

[twin ledge]

Btw silence was on skyfire and got 52 seconds didn’t even have copper

[dusk plover]

I mean I got 45 without copper too but rares especially windfalls do make a huge difference with times

[north lynx]

Or stats my build trash tbh

[fierce light]

Not anytime soon. I think they're balancing the builds around having 6 slots.

[twin ledge]

No not like soon

I meant like u think they ever will in future seasons

[dusk plover]

Plus being heavily over the sense level helps lol

[fierce light]

Oh, yeah. As well as able to swap weapons. More than 6 souljades already programmed in the game, although it might take a bit more to bring it to Showdown.

[twin ledge]

Oh so they will

Like how many more will they do if they do that

Cause it could potentially make thunder meta if nothing is nerfed but how u wanna bet when they do if they do whenever they will make it where spring and awakening can’t stack

I would be so mad because I already put a windfall on awakening last season when testing still have it

[fierce light]

They would have to change the way attack works for it not to stack

Even if they changed it to hit damage it would have the same effect.

[hidden creek]

@fierce light excuse me could you tell me again in enigma trios what's the % of the bar that we need to stop killing mobs

[flat pier]

eh @fierce light chan, in the new incineration build with the new potential, no defuse/counter trigger recover?

with copperward?

[fierce light]

74% at the most

[fierce light]

There's no room for it. Takes your full potential to get Blazing Flame + Water and Fire Rage

[hidden creek]

👌 thanks

[flat pier]

fail to defuse or counter = die then? o.0 scary

[fierce light]

Oh you mean Attributes wise? You can run a little bit till you get Scorching and Windfalls.

[flat pier]

yeah.. windfall/ scorching/ heal and attack right?

[fierce light]

You could technically slot in 2 Defuse Recoveries if you go for x6 Windfalls & x4 Scorchings. About a 10% difference in damage attributes from going for x8 Windfals & x4 Scorchings.

[dusk plover]

Gotta love this new rare attribute meta now with our luck on them 🥲

Still at level 1 scorching after about 45 rerolls

[fierce light]

I knew it was going to be an issue when they only added a pity for normal attributes, but not rares.

and they make it take so much time to farm anything, I'd rather have a shorter fatigue limit than these drops and time it takes

[sullen pawn]

what are the requirements for the red anima aside having a character than can use the red jade, is it just down to luck or am i missing something

[dusk plover]

Yeah I’m good on crystals and really hating farming enigma over and over for maybe 10-15 fragments a run on 150% rewards and potion

[fierce light]

Just luck. Don't build for luck though.

[twin ledge]

i got yama done in 38 seconds with tarka i changed potential up

[north lynx]

Idk. I have the right normal stats, sense is high, 1018, 2 3 scorching, but that's pretty mediocre with an outdated skyfire build. No windfalls either.

[north lynx]

Luck. You need to get the rock, then randomly get the red.

[sullen pawn]

in for a ride, thx guys

[dusk plover]

Yeah that’s still 40 levels above recommended. I’ve seen people even on PlayStation clear it with not even full jade burn build in 1:30 no rares at all but sense level is 1020

[fierce light]

Making me glad I'm on Xbox servers lol

Rare Attribute meta don't exist here yet

[dusk plover]

Oh there’s some PlayStation players over here with like 4-5 windfalls on burn from last season that hardly play and I’m just like wtf why lol

[north lynx]

I'm at 52, that's a 7 sec difference

[dusk plover]

Okay? I don’t have the attributes to do a sub 45 especially being on PlayStation

[north lynx]

These bosses windfall kinda w.e. it'll matter more later

[dusk plover]

Not just about windfall it’s rare attributes in general

Just redo the level same jades but under sense level and see what your time is. Idk what you and john being on about saying attributes and sense level don’t really matter when it comes to clear times?

[north lynx]

Right but I'm going off what you said about him taking off windfall

[dusk plover]

I said him taking off rare attributes

[north lynx]

This is what you said

[dusk plover]

That’s for his thunderbuild

He’s got 7- 8 windfalls on it lol

Talking about getting a 48 sec and saying they didn’t help get that time

You’re both digging yourselves deeper here especially with how the meta is now. Rare attributes just make things a lot quicker/easier to clear

[fierce light]

Once we get to the higher stages, these time differences are going to become more extreme

[north lynx]

^

Then it'll matter allot more

Ty my brain fried rn ion wanna type

[dusk plover]

Hell my buddy on PlayStation when the season start couldn’t beat solar 2 quicker than I did (him being at 860 at the time) and I did mine at 810 but had all the right attributes and 3 windfalls. Same burn build

[dusk plover]

Dog that’s just confirming what I’ve been saying and everyone knows? So why were you both saying rare attributes don’t really matter that’s what I am asking.

Like prime example, what do you think kakashi’s times would be if he didn’t have the double rare attributes on all of his jades? Ain’t no way your both sticking by saying it wouldn’t be that much different lol

[fierce light]

Some guy with Moderation Viper trying to take over NA Xbox leaderboard lol

[dusk plover]

Don’t you have a moderation build atleast?

[fierce light]

50% Mod

[tropic bramble]

Yea who the hell is that guy lol @fierce light

[dusk plover]

Okay I thought you had almost a full rare jade build finally just couldn’t remember what

[fierce light]

From SEA too is crazy

My Skyfire and Hydroflare build has like 5 Rares, they aren't all the ones I'd want.

[dusk plover]

After 60 recast I finally got my lv1 scorching to 2 then immediately 2 after I got lv 3 😂😭

[fierce light]

600 Fatigue worth of crystals

[dusk plover]

Yeah I’m already almost into 75% rewards now. Still have to roll scorching on my thunderproof to have a viable divine thunder scorching build

Have to wait until I can get both flux shards though and pray I get scorching on thundercounter/pull since they already have windfalls on it. Won’t complain if they end up being windfalls, just hoping it’s not moderation

Only scorching I have rn is on incineration

[twin ledge]

Btw wasn’t saying they didn’t matter just didn’t matter atm

Till later stages is what I meant

[fierce light]

Fastest yet

[hearty rivet]

wow. For me it's a steady 6-8 minutes, depending on how nice the game is with rings

[fierce light]

Does it feel like they nerfed the drops for Nirriti?

I'm getting all blues consistently.

[twin ledge]

I want void back

[twin ledge]

Yang be building up thunder meter with awakening so fast

All I grab so I can just spam my counters

[fierce light]

Yeah you can get builds you want rather consistently rather than being gimped cause you're missing one jade like in Void.

[supple crown]

You cant get 2 different rare attributes with recast right ? only flux jade works

[fierce light]

First one through recast, anything more needs Flux Jade yeah

[supple crown]

I dont understand where people getting these flux jades
prev season only gave like 2-3 right ? how do they make all their jades with 2 rare attributes

Bdw does windfall effect scorching ?

[fierce light]

When you deconstruct a Souljade with a Rare Attribute, it gives you a Flux Jade Shard.

[fierce light]

Don't believe it does.

[zenith swallow]

btw did u test tianhai build?

[twin ledge]

Last season I would take a random jade like a range and just recast one of the stats till a rare appeared

How I got most of mine

But only used 30 recast a week for this but close to end I just used all crystals I got for this since was coming to end

[supple crown]

I forgot that even jade shards exist

[twin ledge]

Yea

lol

Oh I found atomize

[supple crown]

Is there a reason to not get 4 scorchings in a single jade ?

just got my second one on defuse flame blade

I wonder should I try for the attack and health too

[twin ledge]

Because stats do help ur dmg a lot

So best to only have just 2 rares at most on a jade

[supple crown]

But you can get those on other jades what do you lose exactly
like if you get 4 in one jade and in other one you get 2x windfall attack health shouldnt the math the same ?

[twin ledge]

@fierce light it won’t appear

Ask @fierce light he could explain it better than me

[supple crown]

Sensei @fierce light

[topaz night]

U cant get 2same non rare substat in the same jade… bascally less number

[fierce light]

Yeah you get that easy with Lv. 2 Hydroflare Blessing

[topaz night]

Like only 5 15% health compare to 6

Like this?

[fierce light]

Attack & whatever main dmg bonus you want is usually core to every Souljade

Going 4 Scorching on one would free up others for more Windfalls, but you'd just cost yourself more trying to make up the difference.

Even faster

My only complaint is these rewards being so shite. I've gotten back to back all blues.

[twin ledge]

Yo dark should farm hard it’s dropping me 3 to 5 crystals every game at 1700 fatigue used

Only takes around 2 minutes more than normal

Normal wasn’t dropping me crystals at all

[supple crown]

But in total its the same right ? If you get 2 windfalls
The problem is since windfall dont benefit scorching I feel like its better to get all in one than getting windfall and scorc in a same jade

[twin ledge]

Ok this is my thunder counter those 2 stats are needed on thunder it’s what buffs the dmg so anymore than 2 rares pretty much is gonna make u do less

@fierce light u collected all secret rings?

I’m missing one and I need to know which one

[twin ledge]

Is that the thunder burn?

[mortal yew]

yes

[twin ledge]

def needs to be nerfed no way something should be that strong way to unbalanced that’s crazy

[fierce light]

It ends up being equal:

So it's just more efficient on Flux Jade Shards to go the 2 Rares + 2 Non-Rares route.

[twin ledge]

But that jade with 2 windfalls turns that 30% divine to 60% btw

[supple crown]

But you lose bonus from windfall if you have 1 scoch 1 wind in the same jade right ?

[twin ledge]

U got all the secret rings tho @fierce light I’m missing one and need to know what it is

[supple crown]

I also have em what you need ?

[twin ledge]

U have all of them?

[supple crown]

Yea

[twin ledge]

If so can u screen shot all of them and send me them

[fierce light]

Yeah, Souljade 3-6 on the 2nd example have 1 Windfall & 1 Scorching.

[twin ledge]

Oh that dam red one

[fierce light]

Secret Rings are pinned

[twin ledge]

What makes that red even appear just saving?

Or certain rings?

[fierce light]

Useless Stone

[twin ledge]

Yea but what makes that appear or just random?

[supple crown]

You need to have useless rock and a suitable hero for 3rd charge type to be able to get the red ring appearing chance

[twin ledge]

I’m using tarka

[supple crown]

You can get on normal difficuly I got mine with tarka

first useless rock didnt turn to red jade but my second turned

[twin ledge]

And I don’t like normal so I’m doing hard

[supple crown]

you get them on the first map generally

the useless rock

[twin ledge]

I found useless before but didn’t know what that was

[hearty rivet]

It varies for me. On normal most of the time I manage to get a 12 set and maybe 1-2 4set blessings, but the 12 set is usually not from what I want.
On my couple of nightscream solo attempts I was barely able to get one or two 4 set till 2nd boss and some random extra rings.

[exotic solstice]

Guys, any tips how to get gambit?

[hearty rivet]

it's random I guess? I just got it in normal

maybe hard 🤔 either of those two.

[exotic solstice]

Yeah, but what build u use?

i mean i got all gold stuff but no gambit

[hearty rivet]

Uhh... Ele for sure bc I've been curious to play with poison stuff and either awakening or hydroblast

plus the usual randoms that are unavoidable

[supple crown]

That probably a general jade not connected with others
Still try to get the currency jades when you can only possible relation imo if it exists

[mortal yew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPetQNzv720

[fierce light]

Well 12 set is a bit overkill, unless you're trying to go a strong element build.

[hearty rivet]

Oh, for normal and maybe hard mode it's totally true. Funnily I usually don't get the 12th ring for ele when I want to play with poisons.
I just, when it is offered, I often choose from the ele/awakening/hydroflare branches, or money if there is no super good looking altenative.
Ranged I avoid and yinyang is a bit of a mystery to me so I don't play that much either (aside from the big yinyang swirly appearing on target occasionally I haven't really figured out what does it do, the tooltips of those 2 combo abilities aren't super helpful and I didn't play 1.0 season).

[timid igloo]

yo has anyone made a list of currently accessable yama's bosses/rooms? I'm interested in what I'm in for

[twin ledge]

This season Yama atm are light work even if like 100 sense lower than recommended could still beat it in 1 minute

But it’s not gonna be like that later on in season

[timid igloo]

i see i see, still I'll just go to max sense before i throw my head against that wall, cause I've been procrastinating actually learning the bosses for literal months now and from what I've heard, the frustration comes from not knowing the moves and getting one shot because of it lmao

[fierce light]

Someone must've changed the drop rates to Normal Difficulty instead of Nightscream.

[twin ledge]

Do hard I got 5 gold jades with 4 crystals just a minute ago

[fierce light]

This week feels like such a waste so far

Aside from leveling potential

[supple crown]

Did some math
It looks different to me
Can you check and confirm ?

[fierce light]

I'm a bit confused. Are you adding Attack twice on some of those jades?

[supple crown]

Added attack and hp in the missing fields if I remove windfall to make it equal

4th one looks like giving the highest bonus only considering attack and hp as substats

ofc double substats needs to be replaces for dmg to boss or something else useful

[fierce light]

3rd and 4th stats aren't on the same level of importance as Attack and Health

Since Burn doesn't scale from DMG Bonuses

[supple crown]

For considering only boss damage shouldnt dmg to boss bonus scale the damage as much as attack bonus ?

[peak finch]

easy

[fierce light]

Nope. It'll only affect your Hero's damage output, rather than your Burn which makes up at least 70% of your damage output. Up to 90% on the more extreme builds.

[supple crown]

Well that sucks

[dusk plover]

He has double windfalls on 4 of his jades and Lv12 scorching with max on regular stats. The only thing they would be nerfing is rare attributes

[twin ledge]

No thunder burn needs to be nerfed not talking about his stats bro

[dusk plover]

No it doesn’t?

[twin ledge]

They need to tone it down

I tried it the other day and only had 3 scorch and it was doing hella dmg

[dusk plover]

His stats ARE the reason he’s getting that time

[twin ledge]

Ight bro I’m not doing this with u stay out my conversations

[dusk plover]

So they need to nerf scorching after the buff they just gave it to be viable?

[dusk plover]

I mean literally answering why he was clearing that fast

[dim chasm]

did they get rid of the blue moon souljade for showdown?

or did they just rename it

[dusk plover]

Yo @mortal yew any chance you could redo that run with the same jades but not the super cracked out ones you did with that (the double windfall and scorchings) so @twin ledge can see it’s not just thunder and burn together?

[mortal yew]

this build is for scroching if no scriching this build no meaning

[dusk plover]

Yeah exactly thank you. Scorching just got a really good buff to where it’s viable now. Divine thunder just helps proc it more when enemies aren’t throwing blues. Just like running moderation on ice builds for viper and thunderproof on thunder builds.

[mortal yew]

yes

[fierce light]

It's Cyan Fang now

Scorching Lv. 3 alone is slightly stronger than Defuse Flaming Blade.
Lv. 12 is 4.7 times stronger.

[dusk plover]

Can’t wait until I finally get there 😭

[fierce light]

They're probably going to nerf it by the time I get there.

[dim chasm]

thank you

[dusk plover]

Well you said at 12 it’s more damage than raging ember and flame blade together right?

[fierce light]

Yeah. The exact amount is a bit tricky though since Ember and Raging Flame deal both Hit and Burn Damage.

[dusk plover]

Unless it’s like twice as strong as those all put together I don’t see why they would need to nerf it really, given that you’re ultimately giving up all that damage from those jades while defusing because you’re parrying instead

Plus blues don’t come out a lot except for on a few bosses and hammer ent

[fierce light]

It's like 29% stronger than them all

It's more so the fact you can do the damage and then some of a full Incineration build while running Thunder Counter. Not that it does much damage with little Thunder-Wielding.

[dusk plover]

Okay so I’d say if a nerf is needed later probably only take off like 15%

[dusk plover]

Yeah so right now just a better burn build the way I see it

[fierce light]

Raging Flame also goes off like every 3 Defuses, less if there's a big delay between boss attacks.
Ember is also every 2nd to 3rd Defuse.

If Skyfire worked off Hydroflare damage like the Blessing, it would be even more busted

Cause that builds a crap ton of Thundershock from Thunderpull.

[dusk plover]

Well you only get 6 slots so you can’t fit all of that in there. Just flame blade and incineration since the rest would be counter/pull copper and thunderproof

[dusk plover]

That’s exactly how I see the whole thunder counter scorching thing as. They’ll probably be a way to trigger sky fire more soon though too unless they ditch burn completely next season

@mortal yew in your video we’re you able to proc scorching three times during divine thunder any of those times or just two?

[mortal yew]

2

parry the first then dodge and then left click or right click and then parry

The left or right button depends on the speed of the weapon's vertical and horizontal attacks.

[dusk plover]

That’s what I thought, was wondering if it was possible to get 3 or not

[mortal yew]

cant

There is only a gap between the first thunder and the next ones. The next three thunders are connected together very quickly.

You can only parry the first Thunder and one of the last two Thunders or parry 2 Thunders in a row.

[rotund quest]

@fierce light any update on the meta been a week! Hahahaha

[fierce light]

If you run Ice Build, Poison is a direct upgrade from it.

Skyfire builds are essentially dead, go towards a HydroFlare build for bossing, or Poison build for mobbing.

Current strongest build is Thunder-Scorching, a hybrid build that makes use of Thunder Counter to proc Scorching for huge damage.

2nd Strongest is looking to be Mod Poison.

[rotund quest]

Haha nice! Have u updated the guide? 🫣

[fierce light]

No, but there's a big update in the works

[rotund quest]

Okie might have to make do with fire build first. Will wait for your guide! Thank you @fierce light

[fierce light]

A little sneak peek:

[rotund quest]

Woaaaa looks good

[honest parrot]

whats the best element in yalls opionion

[fierce light]

Thunder at high investment, Poison at low-mid investment.

[honest parrot]

Okay

[hard glade]

@fierce light have you tried this jade, was curious to know if it's worth having on any hero

[fierce light]

Not really. Aegis DMG is pretty niche and is useless once it's broken

[lucid ore]

How important is copper ward to Burns build? Can I not run it and run something like solidification instead?

Also 15% HP vs 4% atk or 5% dmg to boss,

[hearty rivet]

finally 😭 😭 😭

[fierce light]

I don't remember the exact math, but it makes a big difference particularly cause of Ember

[hard glade]

Oh, I was thinking if it can be used in Ice or poison builds

[fierce light]

HP

Yeah Poison already does enough and there's not much room in Ice builds

[lucid ore]

me waiting before I update my build

[fierce light]

You can use Toxin Blast to set off your next Poison Blast if you space them out enough:

[frigid nebula]

Me still struggling with that one😭😭😭

[hidden creek]

@fierce light how's ur poison build going? Is there a chance for poison build to be on par with hydroflare build?

with and without rare attributes

[fierce light]

Poison mod may be strong, but i dont see it being on par with HydroFlare right now

[hidden creek]

aight

[elfin citrus]

whats the poison potential tree again?

[lucid ore]

how do you use blue moon without blue moon sj?

I thought they change that to cyan fang

or is that just cyan fang

[plucky fog]

its fang cyan lol

[plucky fog]

they mix all quick attack jade that modify third atk into single jade like sap cmiiw

[lucid ore]

oh

I see.. thought they removed blue moon, keep thinking cyan fang like the normal game version where you gain hp

Thank you

[lost bronze]

should be like this for poison

[elfin citrus]

thx

[flat pier]

cannae wait! mate!! a HUGE thank you!

[flat pier]

Do you already have potential plans for these? XD

[hidden creek]

still wondering if it's worth to try scorching on poison jades and make hydroflare with this node

[fair moth]

anyone can help me ? immovable [hard]chapter 2
i can't solo this one

[spice canyon]

that's the developer intention I guess, the build would be 4 poison jade + incineration + any jade your liking (cyan fang / thunder mastery / arcane thunder)

[hidden creek]

yeah

it's legit

but i'm just wondering if it's worth it

instead of just go for mod poison

or classic hydroflare

[flat pier]

what is mod poison?

[hidden creek]

classic poison build and focus on getting moderation

[hidden creek]

though incineration dmg boost only for 10s so i would go solidification

[flat pier]

what happened to the meow pic!!!

I really loved it 😄

[hidden creek]

😂

[flat pier]

I don't understand the build can you explain? I mean, how will incineration benefit that poison build? there's no hydroflare involved?

also why arcane thunder or thunder mastery?

how does it help?

I am thinking about building it but I don't want to use my limited resources now o.0

also zero said thunder pull thunder counter is the strongest o.0?

[hidden creek]

it's a hybrid build

[flat pier]

what attributes should i go for in both thunder build and poison build?

[hidden creek]

but the build revolve around getting as high scorching as you could

proc scorching by parrying divine thunder
apply the burn on target, then proc hydroflare by draco

scorching's burn is super strong

so the hydroflare proc from it also deal sht tons of damages

[flat pier]

and use poison element?

[hidden creek]

uhh no

[flat pier]

oh thunder element

[hidden creek]

nope

ice

😂

[flat pier]

dafaq?

i'm so confused lol

and the souljades are?

[hidden creek]

bcoz using ice will make your self thunder accumulation faster

[flat pier]

thunderpull/counter/proof + ???

[spice canyon]

if you are not sure of what to do, just go 4 poison + cyan fang + thunder mastery / solidification

[hidden creek]

so you getting more thundercounter

this build even though it got thundercounter but it doesn't focus on divine thunder dmg

[flat pier]

ahhhhhhh i see

[flat pier]

and what stats do i focus on and the potential plan?

[flat pier]

stats and potential plan + souljades please? for thunder hybrid thingy

[hidden creek]

the 3 thunderpull/counter/proof is there literally just for you to get more parries to get more scorching

[flat pier]

https://tenor.com/view/don’t-make-me-beg-gif-18284150441593567102

[hidden creek]

scorching, as high as possible
then hp cuz the burn scale with it with the green potential tree node
then attack
moderation is always nice to have

sj are thunderpull/counter/proof, draco, incineration, flaming blade

[flat pier]

eh nothing to get ride of the freeze?

[hidden creek]

but it works around having ALOT of scorching

[spice canyon]

attack > dmg to boss > poison damage > defuse / counter / melee damage

[hidden creek]

so if you don't have them don't even think about it

[hidden creek]

there's nothing cause freeze on this build lol

it's not classic thundercounter build

[flat pier]

ahhhhhhh i got the thunder hybrid now

so basically spam counter and dodge

[hidden creek]

you still need to attack to build up your self thunder bar

so you call down divine thunder, to parry it to get scorching

[flat pier]

i see

thank you thank you

it seems like the poison build is gonna be easier to achieve? considering i don't have endless supply of recast materials o.o

[hidden creek]

but be advise if you don't have alot of scorching on those jades, don't bother

it won't work w/o lots of scorching

[hidden creek]

yeah classic thundercounter/poison/hydroflare is still good for beginner

if you're low on resouces just get a somewhat ok-ish build first

[flat pier]

it is gonna be easier to jump to hydroflare from skyfire than to start thundercounter/poison o.o

but thunder and poison don't require scorching so it does seem a cheaper alternative o.o

[hidden creek]

all of those 3 builds doesn't require any rare stats to start working

if you got mod and scorching then it's better ofc, but unlike the hybrid build which require lots of scorching from the start to even work

[flat pier]

thank you meow!!

how many recasts does it take on average to get 1 rare? o.0?

100?

[hidden creek]

it's all about luck lol

might take less than 100

might take more

or alot more

[flat pier]

that was very encouraging lmao

[spice canyon]

1 recast for 1 rare 👍

[river stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-dog-doggy-hooman-get-up-gif-20608008

[flat pier]

LIES hahahahhahahahaha

96 recasts

[spice canyon]

that's super good, unfortunately the other attribute has low value

[hidden creek]

does anyone know how long this recovery effect last?

[spice canyon]

basically negate the poison self damage

[hidden creek]

idc hm it heals

just how long it last

nvm i can't maintain this

[flat pier]

is it harder to get a second rare in a souljade?

[hard glade]

#👾┃showdown message

[flat pier]

i just wasted 150 recasts T_T

shooot

[supple crown]

@flat pier check this

[flat pier]

yeah i just saw this info T_T

i will remember this

that was an expensive mistake T_T

[supple crown]

At least you can get shards to reroll when needed

I forgot that yesterday

Then I got these 2 yesterday

[flat pier]

oh you are back eh?

[bronze wharf]

wipping with new hero XD

[flat pier]

grind with me!!

[bronze wharf]

ok

[flat pier]

tonight bro?

[bronze wharf]

ok lar kae mal

[fierce light]

It wouldn't hurt if you got scorching.

[hidden creek]

yeah

gonna go poison scorching

see how it goes

might end up being my favorite wuchen build lmao

[fierce light]

Not enough points to get Blazing Flame and Poisonous Assault.

[hidden creek]

wdym not enough

isn't potential point cap is 48? or even 46 is fine

[hard glade]

You already have 42 selected (including the extra potential points provided by season quest)

You can get 6 more potential as it will show 40.

So 48 is max

[hidden creek]

oh huh

welp no blazing flame then

or maybe if i got high enough scorching then no poisonous assault

my hydroflare teammates gonna hates me for this

[flat pier]

some of the season challenges cannot be completed this week, right?

doom speedrun and yama astral 3.. are still locked right?

[fierce light]

Yes

[hollow herald]

When an anima ring item shows up, is there a way to know if it's already in your anima rings collection? I'm asking if I might overlook any indication.

[hidden creek]

yeah

the small book symbol on it

no book = collected all level
book with an upper arrow = haven't collected higher level
just the book = haven't collected current level

[ebon parrot]

does tthis need any attributes to run

i mean rare ones

[hidden creek]

nope

you don't even need poison blast dmg lol

just get attk and dmg to boss and it's quite solid alr

but it's not good for solo until you get lots of scorching

but at that point idek if it's even worth it

probably not

strange how poison is the newest thing but it's quite underperforming compare to like, everything else

even classic thundercounter build is capable of dishing out quite nice amount of dmg atm

[ebon parrot]

O

Hydroflare thunder build also needs scratching right?

[hidden creek]

yeah

and the dmg is disgusting

so prolly just invest into that

[fierce light]

The damage of Poison Build at base is comparable to Thunder Build at 264% Divine Thunder DMG (which is nearly max Divine Thunder DMG on each Souljade with 1 max Windfall). Just falls behind if you include Scorching since you'd rely on the enemy to throw Focus Attacks.

Would say this season is the most new player friendly, cause you can to an extent compete with just a basic Poison Build while you work on your main build and Nirriti's Ruins doesn't care about your gear.

[hearty rivet]

I'm super confused. Did you manage to skip the whole dragon phase? o.o Also did you spam defuses to proc poison?

[fierce light]

Yeah if your DPS is high enough you can kill it in its orb phase cutting half the time needed. I could probably be faster if I skipped his wave attack as well, but I more so just wanted the completion.

I used Defuses to skip straight to Cyan Fang pretty much

[hearty rivet]

Thx! Maybe I should start farming last nightscream story missions start getting those fancy poison souljades too 👀

[fierce light]

Picking up speed:

[fierce light]

CN Test Server Notes:

[amber terrace]

Showdown mode?

[plucky fog]

share build

[fierce light]

Yeah

[amber terrace]

can u give link to read that

[fierce light]

• Noxious Blast
• Infectious Touch
• Pestilent Pool
• Miasma Drive
• Stormstride Sword
• Defuse Solidification

[fierce light]

I don't have a link, just grabbed it off a BiliBili video

[amber terrace]

[whole pebble]

for F sake, please let the red show up on this same run.

1st time to get that useless rock since the new update. lol

Finally!

[amber terrace]

how do u get useless rock

[whole pebble]

i just keep on playing nirikki normal mode, intentionally not getting or leveling up any blessing to 4, and using Viper (as i think, the red stone is limited to the 4 hero who has their own red jades on previous showdown namely viper, temulch, tarka, matari)

[amber terrace]

oh, i will try no up lvl to 4

[whole pebble]

when i mentioned not leveling up any to 4, i mean this ones just to be clear. because some doesnt have them, which are the ones i usually pick (i.e. currency, attacks)

[amber terrace]

nah, im tried not up any blessings to lvl4 pack but still not get useless rock

[whole pebble]

took me more than 2400 fatigue last week (as I keep on playing still without rewards just to hunt for it), and 1300 this week just for that useless rock to show up for me for the 1st time.

[hard glade]

I am done with fatigue 14 hours ago, the drops are worst !

[whole pebble]

i know you are already at 1030. did you continue farming at nirriti or enigma domain?

im only at 1021 now. but im farming nirriti for the crystals.

[hard glade]

Both but mainly Enigma domain

Still missing 1 potential point... Should cover by start of next reset

[whole pebble]

what is the strongest DPS build now? do we have info on that?

[hard glade]

According to dark #👾┃showdown message

[amber terrace]

scorching build > poison build > thunder > ice

[whole pebble]

interesting. scorching thunder counter. i have 15 scorching now, but it's not on my thunderpull/thundercounter. its on my hydroflare/defuse build. seems like i will need to create a new set once i hit max.

[amber terrace]

i has scorching on thunder build but last scorching on defuse-rage flaming not on defuse-blade flame

sad

[whole pebble]

im trying to look for what jades compose the Scorching Thunder counter build. is this it?

[hard glade]

Got lucky yesterday

[amber terrace]

nice, i need 1 moderation but game keep gimme windfall

dammit

[amber terrace]

ThunderPull, Thunder Counter, Draco Stride, Copper Ward, Defuse-Blade Flame, Thunderproof

need 3 lvl up get all potential requirement

[whole pebble]

i actually thought thunderproof has no use and player just needs to get good at countering those thunder even when you are 100% engaged with boss. lol

[amber terrace]

thunderproof to get fast thundershock charge

[whole pebble]

oh does it? i dont recall thunderproof doing that except for anti stagger.

[amber terrace]

yea me too but i think they changed after 1.0 release

or after water boss release

[whole pebble]

thank you for the inputs @amber terrace @hard glade

[amber terrace]

[whole pebble]

btw, on your defuse-blade flame, is it the raging or burning?

[amber terrace]

wdym?

[hard glade]

It should be defuse flaming blade I think, but he has scorching in raging hence he eqquiped looks like

[amber terrace]

i mean flaming blade

[whole pebble]

ohh ok. thanks. 🙂

[amber terrace]

but

i has scorching on Defuse-Raging flame

[mint surge]

With thunderproof you can apply scorching 2 times

[fierce light]

Also allows you to get 2 Scorching procs if you time the hits well enough

[whole pebble]

is the countered thunder considered a trigger for scorching? or you need to attack still?

[whole pebble]

or you mean counter the 1st thunder, dodge, hit melee, then try to counter 1 of the 3 next thunder, then proceed with actual counter.

[fierce light]

Yeah that

[amber terrace]

@fierce light new recast system can give rare att if that jade already 1 rare att on it?

[fierce light]

Nope, only from flux jades

[amber terrace]

[thorn narwhal]

why this is only thunder, if i play ice or poision would they appear?

[fierce light]

That's for Thunderbolt, it's not an element. You choose your element at the beginning.

[thorn narwhal]

oh so thunderbolt isn't the element

[woeful monolith]

whats the ATtk sequence for the Thunder counter / Scorching

[fierce light]

https://youtu.be/RgnT-N54qj8?si=ubomebkLBFiLSueb

Parry, dodge forward, uncharged attack, parry

[whole pebble]

oh, but if the jade doesnt have a rare attribute yet, is there a chance that one of the rare will appear on that jade using new recast?

[flat pier]

yes

around 70-90 restyles o.0 in my experience

this season

@fierce light how do i complete the challenge "3 types" of anima ring only thingy?

[ebon parrot]

can u get useless rock if u already procted another secret in the same level?

same run*

[short meadow]

I prefer go with kurumi and give your all money to your friend who can carry you

Also Dont pick any ring except first 2

Just let them be pending rings

[flat pier]

@short meadow thank you so much.. i got it now

[flat pier]

i have gotten several secret rings in 1 run but never received useless rock or the ultimate yet xD

[short meadow]

yeah this works so well

[flat pier]

but the public match up players that round probably got annoyed by me hehehehehehe I did very little dmg hehehehe

i wonder who's the best for fearsome shot?

[short meadow]

yeah you cant finish nightmare below 3 ring

it will give you more than 3 types of ring

haha

[flat pier]

canon or swarm o.0?

[short meadow]

musket

[short meadow]

you mean the projectile shot?

[flat pier]

gotta take the range rings?

yeah that one

[short meadow]

yeah you need 12/12 rage buff ring

[twin ledge]

I did tarka with cannon

[short meadow]

Then reload musket and shoot on broken boss . you will probably get more than 32k dmg

[flat pier]

time to annoy other players again it seems o.0

[short meadow]

Never tried with canon . Bcz musket hit is suresort upto 32k dmg

[twin ledge]

Ended up doing 19k with one shot with my ult

[short meadow]

With musket?

[twin ledge]

Nah cannon

Just have to time the shots right with boss aegis down

[short meadow]

i think musket is pretty much easier

Just reload and Hit

[flat pier]

yeah.. headshot with musket should land me that much dmg

as long as i got 2 other people to carry me lol

[twin ledge]

Well with tarka ult that’s more dmg added to the cannon

[flat pier]

anyone completed legend yet?

[whole pebble]

This is what I did for me to get the useless stone and luckily the red stone.
(#👾┃showdown message)

[whole pebble]

yeah, there are many here who completed it solo.

[twin ledge]

Yea didn’t know this after I did it

[tribal yoke]

The Quench Crystal will be removed next week. If we have any after the update, does it get converted to Carved Crystals?

[flat pier]

i was trying to beat the nirriti nightscream with poison for 10

% health achievement and this kurumi keeps healing me T_T

and then I realized I was the dumbo for not doing it solo o.o

[hidden creek]

you can just tell her not to heal you...

[fathom bobcat]

As far as I understand, they will only remove ability to recast in old way, gold crystals will remain and with their help as now it will be possible to recast in new way.

[tribal yoke]

So what will happen to the unused Quench Crystals after the old way to cast is removed?
Do we lose them or will they be converted to the new Carved Crystal?

[hidden creek]

they won't get removed

either converted to carved crystal or keep it as it is but only function as carved

since old way are gone

[tribal yoke]

Ok, just that I have a bunch of Quench Crystals that I racked up but I don't really play Showdown.

[hidden creek]

better use all of them now

[tribal yoke]

So I will lose them then

[hidden creek]

not really but

it worth much more if you use it to old way recast instead of new way

[tribal yoke]

OK thanks

[flat pier]

@hidden creek

what are the stats for hybrid build? thunder counter build?

scorching and what are the other 3?

thank you!

[hidden creek]

hp
attack
dmg to boss

[flat pier]

i see thank you!!

[hidden creek]

what does it really means by ''hitting monsters with all strikes''

like my attack has multiple hits and all of those hits needs to hit, only then i get extra toxin accumulation?

also @fierce light, this node actually multiple your poison blast dmg by 2.5, added directly into your stat

does it make poison blast actually deal good damages and should be prio?

[north lynx]

Anyone for grinding enigma? I'm capped just looking for company

[flat pier]

let's do legend nirriti?

[fierce light]

It just adds +50% Poison Blast DMG to your total.

[fierce light]

That makes it comparable to a slightly weaker Successive Ice Blast. I'd say it's a priority.

[fierce light]

Multiplies your accumulation rate by 1.7 for any attack. Slightly better than Frost Douse for Ice Builds.

[fierce light]

First rare you do from Recasting, 2nd and above you have to use Flux Jades

[hidden creek]

damn alright

also mean that it's kinda a must take on poison build no?

[fierce light]

No it looks like it just adds 50% to your total

[hidden creek]

@fierce light

[fierce light]

Yup, just adds 50%.

[hidden creek]

ahhhhh

[fierce light]

15% times 2.5 is 37.5%

[hidden creek]

so it's flat +50%

ah fok

[fierce light]

So it's still good to pick up, but not a priority.

[hot mica]

i posted this in general, but i have no idea what they are for, can someone just enlighten me please 🙂

[flat pier]

red ball is to revive in showdown modes if you die.. it's like additional life but there are limits to how many times you can use it per match.. the other two are keys to open certain stages

[hot mica]

where do i access these stages?

[fierce light]

Enigma Domain in Morus Isle

[hot mica]

is it possible to solo all content on showdown?

[hidden creek]

not possible for enigma peak i think

rest are possible

[fierce light]

Enigma Peak might be with this new Thunder Scorching build lol

[hot mica]

Do we have a link to said build

[hidden creek]

ah yeah lmao

😂 so damn broken

[fierce light]

#👾┃showdown message

[hot mica]

and how do you get potential? no google search seems to be getting to the point

[hidden creek]

you can get up to 39 potential points by spending ftg

the rest 9 points you must do seasonal challenges

for a total of 48 points

[hot mica]

and what is ftg?

[hidden creek]

fatigue

[hot mica]

you spend that buy just playing right?

[hidden creek]

yeah

and select this

[fierce light]

Yeah you just level it up by doing missions. There's a stamina system per week called fatigue that limits your progression each week though.

[amber terrace]

Any tip or trick to farm crystals? Ruins just me 1

[fathom bobcat]

Huh

At least something is accomplished

[fierce light]

Drops are really bad right now

[polar light]

level 9 scorching

[short meadow]

I did this on Day 1

[fathom bobcat]

[short meadow]

Just got lucky this season

[signal kite]

Thunder pull , counter and draco stride what r the other 3 jades ? Maybe incineration and ??

[fierce light]

It's really easy if you had a lot already

[polar light]

Now 12 scorching

[fierce light]

#👾┃showdown message

[signal kite]

Ohh Okie gotcha thx

[polar light]

this build im using in this week yama

cuz Aerial rend will bring thunder fast

[signal kite]

And what's the potential plan for this build

[polar light]

also at yoto

[polar light]

this lvl 40 potiental which is the max this sesson

[hidden creek]

isn't it better just go with thunderproof so ur self-accumulation thundershock bar is shorter?

[signal kite]

Thankyou

[polar light]

i did put thunderproof

with Aerial rend to make thunder come faster

[fierce light]

Aerial Rend over Defuse Flaming Blade

It's a big dps gain for Greatsword

[hidden creek]

ah yea sorry i'm blind af

💀

[hidden creek]

why flaming blade though? i tot that slot was for incineration?

[signal kite]

Is it necessary to make that build ice-wielding?

[hidden creek]

also i'm wondering if i run incineration then trigger hydroflare, does that hydroflare dmg get increased by the buff from triggering the same hydroflare?

[polar light]

incineration is good to put at heros that is not good as tarka and tanhi in defuce

[polar light]

yes

[signal kite]

Okiedokie

[polar light]

it will help with thunder accumilation

i mean bring thunder fast

[signal kite]

Gotcha

[fierce light]

Flaming Blade still good on its own

[hidden creek]

aight

so the best would be 2x scorching on each jade or 1 scorching 1 windfall?

[fierce light]

1 windfall on all jades minimum

[hidden creek]

🤔

[polar light]

i think having 2 windfalls and two scorching on specific jades is better

cuz windfalls will not increase scorching

[fierce light]

Aerial Rend increases your damage on vertical charge by 55.7%, so pretty huge for charging Thunderpull which

[polar light]

on that jade

[hidden creek]

hmm

[fierce light]

Well they end up being equal: #👾┃showdown message

[hidden creek]

yea

soo 1 winfall 1 scorching is better than 2x scorching?

i thought all the dmg comes from scorching

which is increased by attk/dmg to boss which benefits from windfall yes but

[polar light]

if u have 2 windfllas on a jade with max status it will have 100% buff on it

better that having 1 scorching and windfalls on that jade and having 50% buff

[lost bronze]

why curse chest ?

[hidden creek]

yeah i get what u mean

[lost bronze]

it's old patch

[hidden creek]

like on jades that i got 4% attk 5% dmg to boss get 2 windfall on it

scorching can be at whatever jade

[fierce light]

Whether you go 2 Scorching on two Souljades or spread them out, you end up with the same value

[hidden creek]

need to do 3 weeklies

so there's a chance for cursed chest to appear

on shop stage

we're currently at week 2

[lost bronze]

oh ok

[hidden creek]

so next week

[polar light]

next week it will be finished

[lost bronze]

yeh nice hear that

[polar light]

oooh i see

wow bro ur soo good at analyizing

[hidden creek]

i mean
let's say i got 4% attk 5% dmg to boss on a jade
the other 2 lines could be 1 scorching 1 windfall, or 2 scorching
does the 50% inc of windfall (2% attk 2.5% dmg to boss inc) is better than a lv3 scorching on this build?

they both increase scorching dmg but which one increase it more?

just theorycrafting cuz in reality if i got 2x windfall or 2x scorching or 1 winfall 1 scorching on a jade there's no way i'm gonna reroll it lol

[fierce light]

That's what that table above compares although you'd want Attack & Health

[hidden creek]

ah yeah hp

forgot

[hidden creek]

thoughts about this on wuchen?

[dusk plover]

I mean if you’re wanting to have fun and pop wuchen ult a lot more sure. If you’re wanting to have a high damage/best build for times on Yama and speedrun then no

[hidden creek]

i mean to make it a legit build, maybe poison, 4x poison jade + storm sword + this

cuz wuchen ult deal rly good amount of dmg specially when the boss is down

[fierce light]

Not worth on anyone atm. The dps increase is very minor assuming you're constantly hitting the enemy. Rage/s actually does a lot more than it looks.

[spice canyon]

Solidification is a better choice

[fierce light]

It was good back when Rage/DMG scaled with Attack & Damage Bonuses.

[hidden creek]

wait it doesn't now?

[dusk plover]

Yeah no then, what they said ^

[hidden creek]

meh

no fun at all

[dusk plover]

That’s why I said if you’re wanting to have fun then throw it on there lol

Don’t let no one stop you lol

[hidden creek]

i mean the showdown builds overall
the options are so limited

wish they focus more on showdown

[fierce light]

Hasn't been a thing since February 2nd last year.

[dusk plover]

Not really actually. Only if you’re going for times and top spots on leaderboards it is limited. There’s so many different build and potential for builds you can make, just not ones that will compete at all against others

Hence the “if you’re wanting to have fun and pop ult more sure put it on”

[hidden creek]

doesn't have to be ''competing'', i mean i want to make a build that is somewhat legit and doesn't falls behind too much, like when i run trios idw my dmg to be too low compare to the other 2

but it's not gonna happen

''so many different build and potential for builds you can make'' yeah but all of them are sht if you're not following one of the meta builds

[fierce light]

They're releasing so many set based Souljades that our options are getting more limited

At the start, the only set we had was Backfire & Desperation

[hidden creek]

make it so a build include 12 sj or something
make a more complex potential system
remove all the rare attributes

then we gonna have some fun

[dusk plover]

Most of the time especially with playing with some people (especially veterans ) no matter what you run even if it’s the same build you’re going to be low damage compared to them due to rare attributes now. My point was if you’re wanting to build and have fun with it then do so, you have the options to and lots of possibilities to have fun with it. Just not going to compare good to meta especially if theirs multiple rares in their build

[hidden creek]

that's the thing, i want to have fun and deal legit amount of dmg too
but ig it's too much to ask for naraka pve

[fierce light]

New recasting system did make things more even in regards to getting the Attributes you want, but now it's who has the most right rare attributes.

[dusk plover]

No what you’re saying is you’re wanting to have fun with not really optimal damage builds but deal meta build min/maxing amount of damage which isn’t going to happen in any type of game that consist of crafting builds etc

You can deal legit amount of damage on a lot of different builds but it’s never going to compare to the speed and output of damage from meta builds clearing the same levels in the same or slightly more time then they would

[hidden creek]

i never said that i want to build whatever i want and deal the same amount of dmg as min/maxing builds 🙂 you only read what you wanna read do you?

[dusk plover]

This^

[hidden creek]

''legit'' means it doesn't fall too far from meta builds

not the same as them

i just want more variations of builds that i can have fun with and not having 1 or 2 builds sits at the top of everything else to the point that if you want to actually deal some damages you have to follow those builds

[dusk plover]

I’ve seen people on PlayStation clear the recent Yama with some crazy builds that make no sense but seems like they’re having fun with it. Times higher up but still clearing everything

[hidden creek]

which i believe is what everyone wants, a more complex and rich pve system

[dusk plover]

And what’s your term of too far from meta builds? Usually gap comparison is 1-2 million damage difference. Doing more than half the damage of the rare attribute meta builds now would still be more than legit damage being done.

[dusk plover]

It’s already here tho that’s what I’m saying? People are having fun with it but not expecting high placements or comparable times to what’s meta, it’s literally just like separating causal play and ranked play in games

Games that try and kill/get rid of a separation of causal and ranked styles of play usually don’t do well and flop so I doubt Naraka will change to that

[hidden creek]

can't you just think for a second? for example if i'm running trios with some build i come up with, with 2 ppl using the meta builds let's say they did 36% each and i did 28% now that's what i want to see

[hidden creek]

it isn't

[fierce light]

Personally I can understand why they make Defuse based jades stronger than unconditional damage jades. And I see why they made Scorching stronger than the defuse ones cause it's both a rare attribute and requires a counterstrike.

But i think they over compensated a bit

[hidden creek]

and why shouldn't i expect ''high placements or comparable times''? why shouldn't i ask for more variations of builds, a more complex system?

like why are you even going against it?

like now i want to use the rage boost jade in a build that is focused in my ult, and i want that build have the potential to deal legit amount of damages that won't be too weak compare to the current ''strong'' builds, i want a more complex potential system that have something in there to boost the dmg of my V so i can work with it, and more different jades that gives different effect that might works with my build, why is that a bad thing to ask for?

[dusk plover]

And what you’re saying here is you want to get rid of any kind of skill/grind and competitiveness to the game which no one wants ESPECIALLY Naraka players and the devs. They’ve made it obvious to try and keep a skill ceiling/rewarding in BR (a little less showdown since there’s more luck to it in some aspects). If you don’t really like it then it might be best to find a game that is like that.

[fierce light]

I do wish we had a more complex potential tree. As it is now you just go for the few glyphs that do boost what you have. There's not much thought behind it aside from your leveling order.

[hidden creek]

wtf does it has anything to do with skill and grind lmao

as if i running the build i came up with i won't have to play the game myself and grind the jades myself?

what are you even on rn

[dusk plover]

Is this your first season of showdown?

[hidden creek]

if so then what if not then what? what's your point?

[dusk plover]

I’m genuinely asking so I can explain if so

[hidden creek]

it's not

i played from when the classic thundercounter build is the best build

and everyone been running it

[dusk plover]

Then you should know showdown is literally about grinding and then skill difference once you get to a certain point when comparing times/people?

[hidden creek]

so?

[dusk plover]

^

[hidden creek]

what does it has anything to do with what i'm asking for?

like legit what if the game could becomes something like when someone ask you ''how do you build wuchen'' you could answer with ''oh you could go with this build which focused on defusing, or this build which focused on parrying, or this build which boost ur charge attack and martial skill, or this build which focused on making use of your V, all of them are ok, they got pros and cons and you can just play whichever you feels like suits you the most and they're all good''

why is that a bad thing? why is that ''get rid of any kind of skill/grind and competitiveness to the game''?

[dusk plover]

What you’re asking for is already here just not the way you want it. The way you want it would completely kill any type of competitiveness/skill difference in the game (the little we have rn anyways in showdown). Best comparison I can thank of is this: you’re playing cod with your buddies on a big wide open map teamdeath match, they go snipers and hid in the little coverage there is and do really well let’s say 12-14 and 3 while you on the other hand want to go and have fun (which is totally fine) using a spread shotgun while running around in the open and the enemy team has snipers as well. You’re shooting them and doing some damage but not killing them before they kill you and your teammates finish them off. Let’s say you’re really really good even though you’re putting yourself at a disadvantage and end up going 6 and 13. Now that the scenario has been made what you’re asking is for that spread shotgun pellets at a super far out range of the enemy should be hitting almost just as hard as the snipers do which makes no sense and destroys games (and why there’s such things as rebalance patches they do).

[hidden creek]

bruh

you completely missed my point

[dusk plover]

You can already do all that…… it’s just not going to compare to meta because well it’s meta, that’s the whole point? It’s suppose to be the best for a reason

[hidden creek]

and your example are not even close

[dusk plover]

No I haven’t

[hidden creek]

😂

[dusk plover]

You didn’t even read it all

[hidden creek]

i don't have to
just to the ''what you’re asking is for that spread shotgun pellets at a super far out range of the enemy should be hitting almost just as hard as the snipers do'' then i realized you don't even know what i'm talking about

[dusk plover]

Go complain to a dev in the feedback channel then and not in the showdown channel if you’re not going to read

[hot mica]

Well this has made the 20 minute matchmaking less boring

[dusk plover]

Atleast someone is having fun my brain is dying here lol

[hidden creek]

who even are you to tell me where must i put what i'm putting out rn and i'm not even offtopic? yeah this is showdown channel and i'm talking about showdown

so what's your problem?

also the one that didn't do the reading is you not me

[dusk plover]

Yes and I’m answer as well as others on what you are saying but you are ignoring/not reading what those people are saying and just complaining and the channel to put those complaints in #1266666196552519742 . They have that channel for a reason

[hidden creek]

and take your example then what i'm asking rn is if someone asking ''which gun should i pick'' you could answer with ''oh you can pick the riffle or the sniper or the pistol'', not ''go with riffle they're op''

[dusk plover]

I have no problem, just explaining why they have it the way they do and why what you’re asking for in your head is far fetched since they pretty much already have those options available even if its not as optimal

[hidden creek]

idk man to me you're the one that refusing to do the reading

[hidden creek]

and i'm asking for it to be more optimal, i shouldn't do that?

[dusk plover]

And in that game there’s more guns then that rifle correct? They can go any gun they want and have fun/still play the game and do good.

[hidden creek]

you're seeing it as ''they already have those options'' but i don't, they're not optimal to me, so are you gonna force your opinion on me and i must see that they're optimal as you do?

[hidden creek]

that is NOT happening rn on showdown lmao

if you're saying it does, man u're delusional

[dusk plover]

Dog……

You literally posted a pic asking about putting enrage on wuchen….. the options to make whatever build you want is on showdown otherwise we would only have 6-10 jades in the entire game and 10 potential nodes…. @hidden creek

[hot mica]

30 min matchmaking still no game XD

[dusk plover]

Match making is usually dead unless it’s the first day of doom

[hearty rivet]

I wonder what the drop rate of the new golden souljades are from story missions

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Ardiehime leveled up!

[dusk plover]

It’s best go into #🐲┃showdown-lfg

[dusk plover]

And this is the part where again you’re asking for a spread shotgun to deal close to as much damage as a sniper at 100meters away in cod

That’s why difference seasons have different metas just like different maps have different guns that are more optimal than others

[hidden creek]

''to make whatever build you want is on showdown and** to make it actually deals a legit amount of damages**''

[hidden creek]

😂

i just can't

[hidden creek]

i'm not asking for the shotgun to deal as much dmg as a sniper, i'm asking for the shotgun to have some GOOD SIDE to make it comparable to the sniper, so i don't have to play the sniper but i can just play the shotgun and do good

doesn't mean that it have to has the same dmg same range as the sniper while still shoot 20 bullets at once

get it?

[dusk plover]

And guess? what it does at 30-40 meters which equivalent to pretty much most builds on most levels compared to scorching meta but it’s still going to be out shadowed no matter what

[hidden creek]

uh huh and you're saying that i can play ice build rn and be equivalent or close to scorching thunder build?

is that happening rn?

on showdown?

[fierce light]

I think it's mainly the fact that we have 6 Souljades we can equip limits our build options severely. That plus the fact that some Souljades are useless without others limits it even more. Thunderbolt based Souljades would probably see more use if we could equip 7+ for example. Right now it just comes down to making the most out of the 6 Souljades you have.

Rare Attributes leading to further unbalance hurts it even more.

[hidden creek]

which is why i was asking for a more complex system of sj and potential in the first place

[dusk plover]

Why do you think some leveled people go thunder and ice then some levels burn? they’re doing what’s optimal BUT you can still go do thunder ice and burn on whatever level you want even if it’s not really the best thing to do.

[hidden creek]

not even close

[fierce light]

Thunder Scorching build probably the first one that is BiS for every type of mission since they made Scorching an AoE.

[hidden creek]

and no i can't ''do thunder ice and burn on whatever level i want'' w/o being a deadweight

[dusk plover]

Some maps/levels are much better to run ice than the thunder scorch. Otherwise no and why should it? You’re just saying “hey I don’t have this and don’t want to run/have the skill to run this so I want no matter what I run/do to be just as much or slightly under what the meta max/min build is out right now.”

[hidden creek]

you're assuming that i want to use a build that is braindead to play but deal the same dmg as a build that is hard to play

and how do you know that the build i comes up with doesn't require any skill to play?

huh?

[hot mica]

so you only really start farming decent jades in night wahtever it is

[dusk plover]

Go run immovable or none shall pass just burn, then run ice or thunder moderation/windfall or even no rare attributes at all or even cannon builds. If this really isn’t your first season you should know different builds are more optimal on some maps than others

[hidden creek]

yeah and? that's your excuses for saying ''they're optimal atm''? what happened to the competitive thingy?

so i want to be able to run ice, thunder, poison, burn, hydroflare, or 10 more different builds in yama and all of them have the potential to deal the same dmg despite they works different and play different, what's wrong with that?

[dusk plover]

Again if you’re not going to read and continue to complain just make a post on the feedback channel. What I’m saying is a build that is meant to get ult more/faster or your skill faster that is not really for damage but survival do as much damage as a build that’s purely built do do maximum damage and even gets rid of survivability and other things to do so.

[hidden creek]

where tf did you pulled out the ''a build that more focused on survival but deal the same dmg as a build that is focused on dealing damages'' lmao

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

and again if a mod telling me i'm getting offtopic and shouldn't put what i put where i put then i'll go

otherwise yeah no you can't stop me

[dusk plover]

Dude I just sent that and it’s right there yet you can’t even read it correctly. Just put your phone down take a break. Long story short, sorry Naraka is not going to give you exactly what you want because it’s not practical or a good idea/asking something ridiculous. There’s plenty of options to make whatever builds you want, it’s just not going to be as good as what’s Meta and some just not good at all but if you’re wanting to have fun and are having fun doing it then that’s what matters, no game is like that and if it is then it probably isn’t popular/doing well or stayed online for long. If you don’t like it then don’t play showdown

[hidden creek]

nah i'd keep playing and keep complaing

and no one could stop me from doing it

[dusk plover]

Sounds good

[hidden creek]

certainly

[whole pebble]

12 scorching is max?

And did you get that 2nd rare on jade with just normal recasting? 😮

[dusk plover]

Yes and second rare on jades can only be done through flux shards

Can only get 1 rare on a jade from recasting

[fierce light]

Can't get more than 1 Rare from normal recasting, he imbued it (you can see it in the background).

[whole pebble]

Oh yeah im blind. 2:32am my time. Need to sleep lol thanks

[dusk plover]

Have you seen anywhere on Naraka (any mode) where they’ve had more than 6 jade slots? @fierce light I know in just about every br game mode you can only get 6 jades too (can’t remember on spirit well tho)