💬┃general-chat

[final anvil]

She ate it up

Very smooth

[magic coral]

I can say this type of words and not get ban

[mint magnet]

Yesssss

[final anvil]

Now go through

[main storm]

U won’t

[magic coral]

Dad my gift when

[amber basalt]

@main storm stream

[deft pollen]

[final anvil]

Do it

[mint magnet]

1 week

[main storm]

Stream what!?

[mint magnet]

Lmaooooo

[amber basalt]

[main storm]

U ain’t even hear

Here

[versed pond]

here*

[amber basalt]

fogg being fogg

[dark leaf]

It’s hear

[mint magnet]

Just chatting

[amber basalt]

i was gonna join

[versed pond]

sorry sir

[versed pond]

but....

[amber basalt]

but what

[magic coral]

You fat

[mint magnet]

Mjko go celebrate your birthday bruh

[earnest barn]

I mean yeah it's a decent goal but like you have time man you should be fine you're just going to get burnt out on it at this rate

[versed pond]

waiting for the but

[amber basalt]

we don't celebrate it

[magic coral]

Miko about to gain few kg due to her bday

[dark leaf]

Bruh go do something else instead of this chat 24/7

[mint magnet]

Nahhhhh

Why you hating baldY

[magic coral]

Kumiko celebrating her bday with edatw with Papa Jaan

[amber basalt]

there be non

[magic coral]

How does 1 edate

[dark leaf]

Man lives and breathes this chat

[amber basalt]

no

its new years i'm waiting to go over to my gramps

[magic coral]

[magic coral]

Chug his entire collection of rum

[dark leaf]

No it’s New Year’s Eve

Why you lying

[amber basalt]

i don't drink rum

[hazy barn]

dw if that were my friend i couldnt tell

[magic coral]

Yes almost new year another year of my worthless life

[amber basalt]

actually its Hogmanay

[magic coral]

What is Hogmanay?

[still vessel]

well yea i got time but same time i dont , if i dont grind ill most likely lose top 500 and ill have to grind more to staynin the high points yk?
and thatll be annoying to do since people atm have maybe 8k for unrivaled , while im still low , So id have to grind alot more to keep my placement , Just wanna keep my title lol
and i wont get burnt out shii , i been goin to work and grindin naraka ranks off 1-2hrs of sleep

[dark leaf]

Don’t speak haggis to me

[amber basalt]

[magic coral]

So new year eve

[main storm]

Aight

[finite yacht]

some people already live in 2025

[dark leaf]

Yeah my disappointment for you

[magic coral]

Kam is already part of those who live in 2025

[dark leaf]

Is already there and waiting

[amber basalt]

[magic coral]

@dark leaf new year eve question

[finite yacht]

I live in 2077

[dark leaf]

Hm?

[amber basalt]

with the ginger raccoons

[dark leaf]

Ok cyberkam

[finite yacht]

I have my own caleander I sell it on fiverr

for 500 bucks

each

EACH

[magic coral]

500 bucks what do they come with? Free ice cream

[dark leaf]

No it’s the end of the world

Trump4president

[finite yacht]

they come from the future

from 2077

[amber basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-gif-7358188

[finite yacht]

I love red pandas

[amber basalt]

i searched for ginger raccoon

[magic coral]

At the year 2077 are red pandas extinct

[amber basalt]

thats what came up

[finite yacht]

not in MY 2077

[earnest barn]

I mean those kontrol freek ones sort of fit just idk then the controller not fit in case

[magic coral]

Monk cat

[versed pond]

so not joining then

[drifting willow]

Pallas cat

Best cat

[amber basalt]

[magic coral]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-drunken-fist-gif-190065545482685241

[amber basalt]

[magic coral]

Mama @amber basalt When drunk

[amber basalt]

am getting spicy water

[amber basalt]

nu

thats jaan

[finite yacht]

Happy B-Day 🍰

And since its your bday I will forgive you

[magic coral]

During drunk form

Kumiko

Has +10 hit chance to Jaan
+10 to critically hit Jaan
+20 damage to Jaan
-10 intelligence

[amber basalt]

Thankie I won’t call the pandas raccoons anymore

[amber basalt]

Actually somehow I get smarter when drunk

[versed pond]

call then squirrels

[versed pond]

looool

[amber basalt]

Your a squirrel

[versed pond]

bro thinks she's rick

[versed pond]

you're*

[magic coral]

Nerd drunk

[spark bison]

Manull

If not friend why friend shaped :(

[versed pond]

yorkshire tea @main storm

[drifting willow]

???

(hello Jaan)

[spark bison]

Manul cats

[drifting willow]

Ohhhh

[spark bison]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-yahee-gif-2742560024002100041

[drifting willow]

Yep, knew them only under the Pallas name 😂😅

I just learned smth 👍

[spark bison]

Friend shaped but no friends :(

[drifting willow]

Who says they ain't friends 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

Plan for the new year: go where they live, find one, give it food, try to befriend it 🤔

They are protected, but they can always follow you on their own 🤔👍👍👍👍

[magic coral]

Papa Jaan post Kumiko meals

[spark bison]

[magic coral]

@spark bison is next year where and u and kumiko will live together?

[drifting willow]

[spark bison]

How would we know that

[magic coral]

Family planning

Who knows maybe your rich to fund the apartment

[spark bison]

Too soon

[magic coral]

Nonsense Papa Jaan in Philippines 15 years old they have child already

[rough sandal]

💀

[main storm]

@versed pond

[versed pond]

you did not have to do that

[rough sandal]

@amber basalt happy birthday 🥳🎈

[amber basalt]

yes

[rough sandal]

That's u

[amber basalt]

thankiee

[rough sandal]

You're welcome

[main storm]

Thanks

[rough sandal]

Sam

[rough sandal]

You're welcome

[main storm]

[main storm]

Wassup

[magic coral]

Aunty Samantha Uncle Sam female version

[rough sandal]

what color is ur 3 star card

[main storm]

Petition to ban

[rough sandal]

no 3 card person

[glass night]

i’m with you

[shy scaffold]

happy birfday @amber basalt XD

[amber basalt]

thankie waifu

[shy scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/yoimimi-gif-26413946

^me celebrating

[amber basalt]

<- me celebrating

[steady swan]

LMAO SAME

and while at work at it

[amber basalt]

[steady swan]

Cheers kumi Ily

[amber basalt]

ilyt cheers!

[steady swan]

[steady swan]

Sad no fireworks for me

I'm stuck in my room til 5 am

[amber basalt]

we get a lot for like a week after lmaoo

[finite yacht]

🐸

[steady swan]

Jelly

[magic coral]

At least you can eat food cousin blessy

[steady swan]

almost

[finite yacht]

@versed pond

[steady swan]

Happy new year

[magic coral]

Almost?

[versed pond]

[spark bison]

An evening for you

[amber basalt]

you're lucky dis prosecco be hittin

[dark leaf]

Dont threaten jaan.

[amber basalt]

[mellow kite]

Let's threaten Jaan

[dark leaf]

watch urself

[mellow kite]

Run those pockets or I'm BUGGIN YOUR TIANHAI @spark bison

[amber basalt]

👨‍🦲

[dark leaf]

true you are old now

[amber basalt]

still not as old as you thank god

bro pushing 60

[dark leaf]

Ur like 59 at this point

sit down

[amber basalt]

so you're actually the same height for once?

[silver shard]

[shy scaffold]

we roasting shorties?

[magic coral]

Am 174 cm aunty ana

[shy scaffold]

im 192cm

everybody is a shorty XD

[versed pond]

dayum

[main storm]

@dark coral u seen dragon ball daima?

[finite yacht]

I have a friend who is 204cm

[shy scaffold]

yea theres a couple people here that are slightly taller than me

and i do mean a couple lol

[dark coral]

no

im not drawn to it

its not dragon ball

[pseudo heart]

Does anyone know the name of that song that’s SUPER Asian I love it but don’t understand not a word but sounds like it would be a great anime opener

[silver shard]

easy kaf ka

[versed pond]

@deft pollen im being bullied by sam and mollie

[deft pollen]

good

[spark bison]

nice

[versed pond]

wdym good

broo

[main storm]

W jaan

[versed pond]

L server

[amber basalt]

derrick started it

[versed pond]

MOLLIEE

WTF IS DERRICK

[amber basalt]

you

[versed pond]

no

[amber basalt]

duh

[versed pond]

no

no

no

no

no

no

o

no

no

no

no

no

no

no

no

no

no

no

no

no

no

no

[amber basalt]

your gonna get timed out

chill

[deft pollen]

you

[versed pond]

bye

[deft pollen]

hi

[main storm]

see ya later lil d

[versed pond]

you lot are not going to catch me dead with that name

[versed pond]

fork off

dont forget to lets play tekken later homes

[dawn flare]

YESSSS SURE

[main storm]

Talking to the huzz

[main storm]

What’s wrong lil d?

[amber basalt]

What is wrong with Derrick

[lunar dome]

Good morning mokas

I hope this year bring you all closer to your goals and dreams

That is all

[tepid drift]

Guys remember to take a shit today , you don't want to carry the same shit into the new year

[lunar dome]

I like my mokas with extra baggage tbh

flavor enhancer

[magic coral]

I like my mokas garbage

[lunar dome]

Trash panda intensifies

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-rave-dance-gif-15389662957248741331

[magic coral]

[magic coral]

Kam caught on cam

[lunar dome]

Haha

[tepid drift]

[versed pond]

[versed pond]

[magic coral]

There a time out for spam?

[amber basalt]

He might get flagged but also it’s in the rules

[amber basalt]

[shy scaffold]

i dunno what to do today

[versed pond]

get it lets play

[amber basalt]

I will later

[versed pond]

[amber basalt]

I’m leaving in a bit

[versed pond]

have fun

hope you fall on your way out

[amber basalt]

Das crazy

[shy scaffold]

i has that too

[versed pond]

is it good??

[shy scaffold]

Generation Zero is good too but its brutal

[versed pond]

you responded to the bad thing and not the good...and you wonder why im mean

[shy scaffold]

its good for the most part. Some management things im not fond of

like it takes time to heal people for example

so you can run out of healthy characters to play as

[versed pond]

so then you cant play till they heal up?

[shy scaffold]

i believe you can play them but they will be all beat up and have negatives

[glass night]

https://tenor.com/view/mai-sakurajima-gif-9999869741454015552

[amber basalt]

Fr

[lunar dome]

Moka a victim of mokism

[amber basalt]

Bc you are

[lunar dome]

The audacity

[shy scaffold]

that being said me and old friend bunny did manage to raid a fortress with just baseball bats

like a dozen robodogs and a walker

[stone sundial]

[amber basalt]

Pls those dogs used to drive me insane

[shy scaffold]

oh i got sweet sweet vengeance later

with my RNG i found factory fresh military grade weapons

i even had an RPG that was freshly painted and shiny

and i had a .50 cal sniper

that thing makes even the walking artillery stop and consider its life choices

bunny would bait robots into shooting at her and then id pop out from behind some rocks like helloooo

[magic coral]

I forgot the rules mama kumi

[magic coral]

Life stories of aunty ana

[amber basalt]

I love this

[mossy brook]

wassup chat

[shy scaffold]

you would have fit right in with the two of us

its kinda sad

[glass night]

i am a victim to YOUR mokism

[dark leaf]

Rmoki

[lunar dome]

This is cap

You blessed by my presence

[magic coral]

Moki Monk Moka

[versed pond]

you bring out the mean in me...im normally peaceful

[magic coral]

Are you bald like Shioon

[lunar dome]

No

[magic coral]

[lunar dome]

But I can shave

[magic coral]

Shioon mighty shiny bald head is more blessing

[lunar dome]

Ok me shave then I will blind you

Shioon is no match for the baby oil

[magic coral]

[amber basalt]

100% I should retry it now with my better laptop

[amber basalt]

Uh huh sure

[glass night]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-laughing-reverse-reverse-card-reverse-uno-gif-3758578067338957449

[spark bison]

@amber basalt @eager trail @dark leaf SC next year?

[versed pond]

so tomorrow?

[spare saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-surprise-surprised-neko-catgirl-gif-158092290407735186

[versed pond]

next tomorrow then?

[dark leaf]

End of next year

[spark bison]

Sometime 1st Jan to 31st Dec of 2025

[dark leaf]

Pretty short time frame

[amber basalt]

Yes

[spark bison]

[lunar dome]

https://tenor.com/view/uno-reverse-card-gif-1419667197291769880

[glass night]

yes please send help

[dark leaf]

sendin da police

[glass night]

alright that was cool

[lunar dome]

Just like moka

[glass night]

moki bald

[versed pond]

stealing that

[lunar dome]

No

[glass night]

right behind you ngl

[versed pond]

Frienddd

[glass night]

FRIENDD

[versed pond]

happy new year

ish

[glass night]

happy new year’s eve!

[lunar dome]

Moka is a trend setter

[versed pond]

hows your day going

[glass night]

https://tenor.com/view/堀さんと宮村くん-ホリミヤ-宮村-伊澄-anime-blush-anime-blushing-gif-6682062560050550958

[versed pond]

mocha?

[glass night]

it’s moki

[magic coral]

It's new year

[glass night]

well, i have a matcha and im happy with that , how’s your day going?

[glass night]

happy new year to you!

[versed pond]

niceee

my day has just been chill

[lunar dome]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-hai-hi-hello-bald-gif-16215979

[versed pond]

apart from sam, kamfkeks and mollie bullying me

[final anvil]

I found

Pomelo

: °

[glass night]

do you like matcha?

[glass night]

moki, please.. don’t make me drop a selfie

i look good in every color that’s fact

[magic coral]

Filipino kids can we make it shake granny.

Idk why Filipino like their fruits made into shake

[glass night]

why they bully you friend?

[final anvil]

Fruit shakes are good

[versed pond]

i want to try ittt

[lunar dome]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rainbow-imagination-gif-16995823296980067165

[versed pond]

do you dye your hair often?

[versed pond]

cuz i suck at the game

[glass night]

https://tenor.com/view/my-dress-up-darling-anime-laugh-marin-kitagawa-gif-25003970

[magic coral]

We add milk and sugar because the kids like it

[lunar dome]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[glass night]

yeah, i like to do it but not as often that it’s damaging

[glass night]

friend i don’t believe that, what game were they talking about?

[glass night]

lmaoo

[versed pond]

we were playin naraka

[versed pond]

what color you got on now??

[lunar dome]

I suk at raka too dw

That's why I started playing toe simulator

All I do is could how many toes

[versed pond]

go on

[lunar dome]

Sometimes there's 10 toes, other times it may be 3 toes

You never know how many toes you'll find

It's always fresh

Well, sometimes they stink

[glass night]

i have dirty platinum blonde hair rn. it’s really my favorite color so far though the honey blonde was nice

[lunar dome]

The gameplay is unchained tho

[spark bison]

[glass night]

all i do is could how many toes

[lunar dome]

And I learn how to sing the piggy song

[versed pond]

lost me at platinum

i only know rgb colors

[glass night]

could how many toes

[lunar dome]

Ik u constantly dm me for pics

It's insane

[glass night]

i have zai hair but less bright LMAO

[versed pond]

zai's blonde?

huh i forgot

[lunar dome]

Zai can be whatever color u want her to be

[final anvil]

[deft pollen]

light blue

[glass night]

yeah because you go out there and make my money

[spark bison]

are you gonna get one

[glass night]

i was hoping it was like white

[final anvil]

I did

[versed pond]

oh yea...one of my bulliers @glass night

[final anvil]

I devoured her

[spark bison]

@eager trail Monumental moment

[lunar dome]

Fax... this why mokì poor

[final anvil]

She was good

[lunar dome]

Revenue split ain't it

[deft pollen]

well grey blue ish

[spark bison]

[final anvil]

[lunar dome]

Bimpy be taking 95%

[glass night]

mines is like greyish with dirty blonde in it

[deft pollen]

dirty blonde😭

[glass night]

my friend says you bully him, why bully my friend?

[deft pollen]

who

[glass night]

it’s not like bright LMAO so it’s not blonde

[glass night]

@versed pond

[deft pollen]

oh

he deserves it

[versed pond]

cuz apparently i also suck at rivals

[glass night]

who said you can have 5%?

[versed pond]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841386143895126046/1289054148213477427/beer.gif

[glass night]

LMAOO no mercy fr

[glass night]

well what character do you play friend?

[deft pollen]

he doesnt deserve mercy

[lunar dome]

This is dope

[versed pond]

everyone

[versed pond]

[deft pollen]

just like jeff

[versed pond]

as it pleases me

[deft pollen]

stupid and goofy

[glass night]

friend, you gotta choose one and be apart of the team

[deft pollen]

[versed pond]

oi

[lunar dome]

Bish

[versed pond]

not anymore

[deft pollen]

hi

[versed pond]

i play more solo now on

[glass night]

they kicked you off the team?!

[versed pond]

i kicked myself

[lunar dome]

It's ok

[versed pond]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-pepestare-stare-raf-slend-gif-24816468

[lunar dome]

Join moka

[deft pollen]

why

[glass night]

https://tenor.com/view/gator-dont-play-no-shit-will-ferrell-the-other-guys-gif-17771224

[glass night]

LMAO can’t fire me because i quit

[versed pond]

in a nutshell

[versed pond]

skill issue on my side

[glass night]

this is me and his other hostages.. please send help

[magic coral]

Moka vs Shioon bald head cult vs Kamfleks

[lunar dome]

Cap u a moka willingly

[glass night]

LMFAOO it’s always shioon the bald headed eagle and not just shioon like it gets me each time

[deft pollen]

good you finally acknowledge it

[glass night]

evil blossom fr

[lunar dome]

When u bald u can only see the glare

[deft pollen]

he started it

so dont blame me

[glass night]

i was a moka before i knew you

[versed pond]

did not

[lunar dome]

True

[magic coral]

@glass night your still playing pokemon?

[glass night]

my poor friend

[lunar dome]

K me work

[glass night]

wait

[deft pollen]

you did

[versed pond]

always blame the innocent guy

sigh

[glass night]

show the chat what you got

[versed pond]

oh well

[lunar dome]

I gtg

[glass night]

yes! and you?

[versed pond]

we'll go with that

[lunar dome]

We play tonight

[deft pollen]

he cant

cause he got nothing

[glass night]

no show the card !

[magic coral]

Nope am a yugioh player. Just like how Gabite is

[versed pond]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-3584473422170938815

see you guys mid next year or sth

[magic coral]

And so this was the last message of ifogg before he passed away

[deft pollen]

dawg you'll be back here tomorrow

tf you mean mid next year

[glass night]

LMFAOO he got a good card and it was because of me

[magic coral]

But what if your wong Gabite

[glass night]

i have the charm and the luck

[glass night]

is there a yugioh game so i can learn and we can play?

[glass night]

it’s the new year for you?

[magic coral]

There master duel, but you can use edopro free online simulator automatic

[deft pollen]

master duel

[glass night]

is this game worth?

similar to TCG?

[magic coral]

I challenge you Gabite as the representative of the king of the skull servant discord server

[deft pollen]

i mean

if you like yugioh then yes ig

ask fogg

[magic coral]

Free

[deft pollen]

he has like 800h in it

[glass night]

https://tenor.com/view/yu-gi-oh-duel-yugi-anime-gif-7357665

[magic coral]

[glass night]

is it on my phone? because playing it on pc i might crash out and whale

[magic coral]

@glass night for real though yugiog is very fast paced

[magic coral]

Yes

[deft pollen]

should be on phone too

[spark bison]

@final anvil

[final anvil]

What i do

😏

[eager trail]

I hope so

[spark bison]

oh nevermind i found out

[spark bison]

[spark bison]

[magic coral]

You earn 10 kg due to excessive eating

[glass night]

i just want my dark magician girl

[eager trail]

How was it?

[final anvil]

GET IT

[eager trail]

If you got it

[final anvil]

GET IT NOOO9OW

[final anvil]

It was good

[glass night]

OH it’s up let me download this

[spark bison]

[final anvil]

Which surprised me bc I don't like grapefruit

[final anvil]

Id kill you if I could

[magic coral]

There no dark magician girl support. They exist but pale in comparison to the dark magician and it pales even further to the blue eyes white dragon

[glass night]

i just downloaded it . it’s so up

[magic coral]

Fun fact @glass night blue eyes won world's 2016

[glass night]

alright about to uninstall too like omg why

[magic coral]

world yugioh championship 2016 blue eyes where both player drew badly

[glass night]

it’s okay it’s okay, i will learn and get good or at least good enough where im not smoked in the 3rd turn

[glass night]

[spark bison]

it's closer to a citrus like orange but dry

[magic coral]

Son am about to tell you something yugioh is fast to the point single turn can kill you

[eager trail]

Niceeee I’m glad you liked it

[magic coral]

Vietnamese Moka where Yukianne

[eager trail]

Sad you found one because I can’t make fun of you now 😂

[glass night]

Good morning mochi! and happy new year’s eve

[silver shard]

Dunno

[final anvil]

She was good i approve
I was ranting to my sister the entire time

the occasion felt so monumental

[spark bison]

[glass night]

this is me with irl yugioh all my life. first turn and that’s why i let it go

[magic coral]

One minute into it you already done

[silver shard]

@dark coral

[spare saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-surprise-surprised-neko-catgirl-gif-158092290407735186

[eager trail]

Good lovely morning and happy New Year’s Eve to you too, Isha/Bimpy

[glass night]

one second i’d argue lol

[glass night]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-puppy-to-aru-kagaku-no-railgun-saten-ruiko-dog-ears-gif-16584563

[glass night]

how’s your day going?

[dark coral]

first KOF crossover skins leak in #1286211700038570015 message for anyone interested

[frozen trench]

Thats warframe isnt it

[dark coral]

that looks like some illustration of thoth

[frozen trench]

whatsa thoth

[dark coral]

egyptian deity

[dark leaf]

Egyptian god

[frozen trench]

The logo tho

[dark coral]

that looks like warframe

they're probably referencing him in warframe

maybe making a frame related to thoth

[frozen trench]

Yeah nvm

its warframe

We got so many ppl trying to submit other games arts

and AI stuff

in our xmass competition

thats actually sad

makes it much harder

[spark bison]

fr

[dark coral]

i am ai

[spark bison]

every art event we make there are some

[frozen trench]

Its so annoying because like

someone may do something

that we may mistake for AI

and remove their prize unfairly

[dark coral]

ai is pretty discernable

[frozen trench]

because of others

[dark coral]

if u know what to look for

[finite yacht]

Mine can't be mistaken for AI

[dark coral]

but i dont think ai should be disqualified

it's just a tool to make stuff

[frozen trench]

90% of the time, yes, but theres 10% thats not.

[dark coral]

if it's low effort, it will be low quality as well

and those are obvious

[frozen trench]

Its unfair for the others who actually made stuff on their own

i'm not ageinst AI

[dark coral]

it's just a tool

[frozen trench]

but its cheating to use in a competition

[dark coral]

the tools are available to everyone

[frozen trench]

So is wallhacks in a game

[spark bison]

We specifically say not to use AI

[dark coral]

well that's a different topic

if rules specify it

[frozen trench]

Overall like as an example

[dark coral]

then that's the bottom line

[soft nimbus]

bro ppl are already spamming rockets

[frozen trench]

Pokemon professional tournaments became a cheating fest

To the point where people accept cheating as normal

"because the game is too hard"

[spare saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-surprise-surprised-neko-catgirl-gif-158092290407735186

[frozen trench]

And it sucks

[leaden coral]

That's ridiculous

[dark coral]

naah i was speaking under the assumption it wasn't against the rules

if it is, then that's a different story

[leaden coral]

Cheating should be illegal

[spare saffron]

romanian news: Asian countries are already in 2025
Sydney cool whatever show they do

https://tenor.com/view/anime-surprise-surprised-neko-catgirl-gif-158092290407735186

fancy ahh news

[dark coral]

@silver shard bro are you in 2025?

happy new year

[frozen trench]

Cheating is illegal in pokemon, so much so that past year a lot of people got booted out of their japanese tournament, it was beautful actually, but if you cheat well enough you can get past it, also, the audience itself support known cheaters

with the same "but did you expect him to grind the game?????????" excuse

[silver shard]

Happy new year

[dark coral]

you live in the future

wow

[spare saffron]

weirdos fr

[silver shard]

Now00:00

[glass night]

i’m curious, you’re talking about tournaments in person right? i wonder how do they cheat that way? with fake cards ?

[frozen trench]

Not talking about the card game, talking about the main games.

[leaden coral]

Oh well that's good. But i mean they should be fined or put in jail. I think they do that in KR

[frozen trench]

And yes in-person tournament

[dark coral]

fined or put in jail for a video game tournament?

i'd fight back, bite me

[leaden coral]

Wait. Pokemon are real?

[frozen trench]

There's a software called PKhex
It is basically a save editor, so instead of playing the game and building a team for the tournament, they just hack their team in and call it a day.

[leaden coral]

I think it should be illegal fr

[spare saffron]

that is not a criminal ilegal thing to do

😭

[leaden coral]

I'm saying it should be

[dark coral]

oh creative mode huh

[spare saffron]

it's not even civil

that would be crazy

[leaden coral]

Nah

[silver shard]

Happy new year

[gleaming spindle]

Ayo ma mate happy new year

[dark coral]

well then i would say there is a line

[glass night]

100% you should be fine if you use this. not you i’m talking about the cheaters.

[silver shard]

Im waiting for this to go sleep

[dark coral]

if the team you created with save editor is obtainable in vanilla, you just don't wanna spend 50h doing boring shit to make it

[dark coral]

then i wouldn't care if someone did it

[leaden coral]

Cheaters are criminals in my eyes. Especially if it's in a tournament setting. Same as robbing someone

[dark coral]

but if the team you created is unattainable

[spare saffron]

would

[dark coral]

like if they have 999 999 999 stats

that's obviously an infraction

[spare saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-surprise-surprised-neko-catgirl-gif-158092290407735186

[gleaming spindle]

♾️

[dark coral]

like if you can just spend 50h doing mundane boring chore type gameplay or save edit for it, i'll always say, just edit the save, especially if others are doing it

[spare saffron]

best last gpu video testing for 2024
https://youtu.be/LikTau9atp0

[frozen trench]

Yes

I mean its intended for being used in a single player setting

or for example

[dark coral]

yea

[frozen trench]

theres legit uses for this software

[dark coral]

but like

[frozen trench]

Say you have a gameboy game

[dark coral]

if everyone is using it

and it's being allowed

why not use it? ur at a disadvantage then

[frozen trench]

You can use it to move pokemon from an old game to a new one.

[frozen trench]

Its not being allowed

[dark coral]

oh

[frozen trench]

Plenty people got kicked out of tournaments for using it

[dark coral]

but how is it detectable

is it easily detectable

[frozen trench]

It depends on how the people use it

[silver shard]

@frozen trench holly sheet

A fan girl come to idol

And he gave his shirt for her

[dark coral]

we had a similar situation in xenoverse 2, a dragon ball game where you create ur own character, and ppl just save edited the stats they wanted instead of grinding it for 100h, but they made a system to combat cheat builds where if your stats exceed normal amounts your char isn't eligible for online play

[silver shard]

As I know that shirt value 7000$

[dark coral]

couldn't they just do that for pokemon?

[amber basalt]

especially in professional environments

[silver shard]

[frozen trench]

If they make a single mistake while creating the pokemon, like putting an impossible status or making some mistake on the pokemon details, it`ll be intantly flagged and the person will be kicked.

Sometimes they also do random checks with their own anti cheating tools, but those tools arent available in all regions that the tournament is available in.

But there's also some custom modded versions of pkhex that some creators use that make that very very hard.

[dark coral]

so basically if you know what youre doing

[leaden coral]

There are male idols?

[dark coral]

its undetectable

[silver shard]

Yes

Actually he is a singer

[frozen trench]

Mostly undetectable unless its in the finals in japan.

[dark coral]

but if ur tryna win a big tournament

[hardy venture]

Naraka just announced on twitter that they will end NA servers at the end of 2025 😣

[dark coral]

only an idiot would try to use a cheat tool and risk the big win

or a very confident cheater

[glass night]

100%. i agree with Laggen because it is essentially robbing a mass of people. it’s unfair and immoral to do it in a tournament setting. obviously, the software can be used in other settings that won’t make it seem as cheating which is fine but there needs to be harsh punishments for cheaters in tournaments.

[dark coral]

i think the harshest punishment should be just banned from those tournaments

that any legal action is overstepping it

[spare saffron]

if the software dev was kind enough he could add a mark to changed save files

[dark coral]

cheating happens in sports all the time

big sports

and does anyone go to jail for it? no

anyone get fined? no

ref gets bribed and judges unfairly towards one team and nothing happens, and these matches are worth way more money too

[frozen trench]

I think it was 2 years ago, on the top 32 there was like 8 japanese dudes, other then the 8 japanese dudes, literally everyone else was using it.

[dark coral]

no reason video game tournaments should have harsher punishments, even though cheaters are worth less than dirt

i think lifetime disqualification is enough

[glass night]

mm, i hear you but i do think legal actions should be considered especially for large scale tournaments.

[amber basalt]

[dark coral]

ok, tenz is caught cheating in valorant tournament by finding a way to look at an opponent's monitor with 50 mirrors lined up

what now, should he go to jail?

or be disqualified

[spare saffron]

it shouldn't

[silver shard]

Just uia

[amber basalt]

[glass night]

he should be fined as a pro player and disqualified. as a pro player, he knows better, is aware of the rules and in fact would argue that it’s important to enforce regulations in situations that not many can achieve.

[spare saffron]

it's not a civil offense or even criminal one there is no way cheating in a game would ever be a crime unless your country is a communist one

[dark coral]

they already do get fined

[glass night]

agree to disagree

[leaden coral]

This isn't even cheating

[dark coral]

for even unsportsmanlike behavior

much less cheating

[leaden coral]

Not a very fair example to give marko

[dark coral]

it's cheating in a video game tournament

what's wrong with it?

[leaden coral]

Looking at someone's screen?

[dark coral]

yes

[spare saffron]

information

https://tenor.com/view/anime-surprise-surprised-neko-catgirl-gif-158092290407735186

[leaden coral]

Gkve a real example then i will say yes, he should be fined

[dark coral]

it's valorant

dude

[spare saffron]

imagine oug Mike would go back with his chair and take a peak at spider s monitor

[dark coral]

imagine youre playing competitive poker and you find a way to peek at other player's cards

it's the same thing

in fps games, peeking at the other player's screen is like the best advantage you can have

[glass night]

mm, it can be against the rules and whoever is in charge of the tournament has the right to make it civil. it’s scamming on a bigger scale essentially.

[leaden coral]

Well depending on the rules. If it's considered cheating, then yeah fine the cheater

I feel having actual consequences will mean less people cheat

[spare saffron]

that would depend on a lot of factors and the terms of the tournament

[dark coral]

i think the laws depend on the country

[spare saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-surprise-surprised-neko-catgirl-gif-158092290407735186

[dark coral]

but in a lot of countries im pretty sure you have no legal consequences for cheating in any competition

you just get disqualified

[leaden coral]

[spare saffron]

yeah for example you can cheat(try) in the after high school exam in romania

you don't get banned from it

you can still try it

[glass night]

This is a fair take because it will deter cheaters of severe punishments are dished out.

[spare saffron]

you just get disqualified from that session

[dark coral]

well yes consequences will deter ppl ofc

[leaden coral]

Cheating in exams has wat more severe consequences elsewhere

You will literally not be able to go to college

[dark coral]

but we are talking about reality and in most countries it's just not criminal to cheat in a tournament, especially video game

[glass night]

putting a 10,000$ fine on a cheater who’s already a pro at scamming is doing nothing but moving the cheater to another tournament.

[leaden coral]

Or get kicked out of school

[spare saffron]

well yes

[dark coral]

that's different

[spare saffron]

that's the exam that gives universities a point

but still they still let you take it next time

it's 2 session per year

one right after high school ends

and one in August or smth

https://tenor.com/view/anime-surprise-surprised-neko-catgirl-gif-158092290407735186

[leaden coral]

What are u yapping about

[spare saffron]

the exam im talking about

[leaden coral]

This is going off topic

[spare saffron]

wdym off topic

there is no off topic

[dark coral]

bc cheating on college exams directly affects society

[spare saffron]

yes

[dark coral]

imagine letting someone become a doctor who didnt actually learn to become a doctor

or an engineer or an architect

[leaden coral]

It's already happening

[dark coral]

and if you let a video game cheater win

[leaden coral]

Chat gpt doctors

[dark coral]

you compromised comeptitive integrity i guess

[spare saffron]

that was been happening since release date of schools

[dark coral]

and screwed over the other good players who are actually good at the game

but the implications are much different

cant be compared like that

i think its pretty simple

cheat at competition

banned from those competitions for life

[leaden coral]

Nah it's not good enough

[spare saffron]

bin would give them whip punishment

https://tenor.com/view/anime-surprise-surprised-neko-catgirl-gif-158092290407735186

[glass night]

they’ll just move to another tournament

there’s no skill in cheating

[dark coral]

arguable

[spare saffron]

actually

yes

[dark coral]

there is

[glass night]

you can cheat in another game

[dark coral]

but thatss a different point

[spare saffron]

indeed

[leaden coral]

Bro I'm going to shoot this character atp. Stop spamming it pls

[spare saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/raiden-shogun-ei-genshin-impact-genshin-kawaii-anime-girl-gif-23576097

[glass night]

okay, do you think it takes more skill to cheat vs showing integrity and grinding the game to achieve pro status?

[dark coral]

different point

[spare saffron]

neither

[dark coral]

apples and oranges

[glass night]

okay like you’re just have to be trolling or not paying attention

[dark coral]

but you can have a cheater who is obvious andd gets caught immediately

and a masterful cheater who never gets caught

and fools everyone

[spare saffron]

it's a pokemon

[glass night]

fruit nonetheless right? i just want to see how you think is all.

[spare saffron]

game

to grind you just have to play a lot

to take skill is much said

is just like inazuma games

i know how it is

[dark coral]

obviously the competition is about skill and mastery on the game itself

[spare saffron]

on the 3ds

[dark coral]

and anyone who cheats should be disqualified

we never said otherwise

[glass night]

that’s very true, which my point stands, you take this cheater and ban them what stops them from just learning a new game since they’re masterful in cheating?

[dark coral]

nothing

what u wanna do to stop him?

[spark bison]

got 13GHz on vram

[dark coral]

violence?

[spare saffron]

in the inazuma eleven 3ds community everyone agreed that cheated save files are allowed and everyone uses them

[leaden coral]

Put bigger punishments in place to deter cheaters from even trying

[glass night]

absolutely not, but civil/legal action can be taken to prevent and stop this.

[dark coral]

such as?

violence?

[spare saffron]

because the grind to get to that point would take over 1k hours+

[glass night]

exactly

[dark coral]

and tell me what is legal action?

[leaden coral]

Who said violence

[dark coral]

if not violence

law is rooted in violence

[leaden coral]

I said fine them

[spare saffron]

i got 12

[dark coral]

what happens if they dont wanna pay the fine?

police comes

[spare saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-fran-anger-angry-annoyed-gif-5861026004278992721

[leaden coral]

Make them pay the winner of the tournament 10k

[dark coral]

what happens if he says to police go away?

violence

[leaden coral]

What

[dark coral]

how do you make him pay 10k?

if he just says "no"

[leaden coral]

That's why we have jail

[dark coral]

what if he doesnt wanna go to jail?

[leaden coral]

Too bad aint it

[dark coral]

why would he walk into jail?

[spare saffron]

freedom

[leaden coral]

Shouldn't have cheated

[dark coral]

who's gonna force him to go to jail

[leaden coral]

Police?

[dark coral]

how?

by asking him nicely?

[leaden coral]

Is this a weird concept

You arrest him

[dark coral]

no it's very simple

with physical force

[leaden coral]

Bro this isn't anythign new

[dark coral]

so what if he resists?

violence

[leaden coral]

You think arrest = violence??

[dark coral]

i want you to understand what youre suggesting

[leaden coral]

Only an idiot would resist arrest

[dark coral]

because the law works based on violence

[glass night]

in tournaments that are in bigger scale, i’m sure they make you sign waivers and whatnot. legally binding someone to the integrity of a tournament can be a way. that way there no “no”. you signed the fine print.

[dark coral]

you comply with the law because they threaten you with violence

not because you want to

and law is there to prevent serious harms to society

[leaden coral]

Marko i think u are talking about a different issue

[dark coral]

cheating in a game tournament

i dont think it fits that bill

[leaden coral]

If u rob someone

Should u not be fined or arrested

Or the store just bans u?

Like what

[dark coral]

u could metaphorically say its robbing

but there is no direct property loss

[glass night]

but you can actually say it scamming

[dark coral]

it's a violation of rules

not laws

it is unfair

but it's not a crime

the cheater robbed the others of a chance to compete for the prize

but is it considered theft? no

[spare saffron]

scamming is a bad word to describe this

you maybe want to say deceiving

[amber basalt]

Let’s just agree to disagree atp this conversation is going nowhere

[dark coral]

it's just an unfair thing to do and a violation of rules

but laws? no

so you'd need to introduce a new law to enforce that

[glass night]

kumiko has spoken

[leaden coral]

Which is what i suggested

To begin with

I said it should be illegal

[amber basalt]

[spare saffron]

bin just wants to do bad stuff to cheaters

[leaden coral]

What??

[glass night]

ah, we have come full circle finally.

[dark coral]

you could argue it is fraud

[leaden coral]

Yep

[glass night]

how was your birthday?!

[spare saffron]

you are suggesting countries government have to suggest a law about making cheating in video games ilegal to the president that have or not to agree with it

[young raven]

I have yet to read the conversation and I know it went full circle

[dark coral]

there could be a lawsuit

[amber basalt]

I believe his point is more so that he wants stricter repercussions

[dark coral]

though not a criminal offense

[glass night]

yep

[spare saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/maomao-apothecary-diaries-anime-anime-girl-reaction-gif-9251444815491222582

[leaden coral]

Wait it was kumis birthday?

[spark bison]

still is

[dark coral]

but if someone is caught it implies they didn't win the money

[amber basalt]

But regardless I don’t think you guys are gonna agree

[spare saffron]

yeah duh

[amber basalt]

It’s been good so far

[leaden coral]

@amber basalt Hope u had a wonderful bday!

[amber basalt]

Yus 22 today

[glass night]

government make laws all the time and could make a law about integrity in tournaments. not just cheating in videos games which is not what we are talking about.

[amber basalt]

Thankieeee

[spare saffron]

well no one is disagreeing about it being a bad thing

[glass night]

Did you get a birthday cake?

[dark coral]

but is it reasonable to do so

and would they actually do it

that's the real question

[spare saffron]

it's a pretty

idk what to say

[amber basalt]

chocolate and honeycomb one but I haven’t eaten it yet we just had dinner

[glass night]

ohhh please send pictures! that sound delicious and delightful

[dark coral]

i think the systems we have right now are already good enough to handle cheaters in tournaments

[spare saffron]

unspecified law at that point, either it could go human rights and blabla

[amber basalt]

I’ll try if I remember

[dark coral]

there's no reason to place more unnecessary strain on the legal system for an offense that has no broad societal impact

which is the main reason we have jails

[leaden coral]

I think it's illegal in KR

[dark coral]

it is

you can actually go to jail there

[spare saffron]

atleast here in romania the government would have to propose the law the president has to think about it and say if its fine or not if he doesn't think is fine he sends it to the supreme Court(idk what to translate it in English so this is works) and they have to agree or not

[glass night]

i believe it is in the space of esports and the size of the tournament.

[spare saffron]

like would they care that much

[dark coral]

KR is the global leader in esports

[spare saffron]

about cheating?

[glass night]

me praying harder for pictures

[spare saffron]

in a tournament?

[dark coral]

so the standards there are very very serious

[spare saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/raiden-shogun-ei-genshin-impact-genshin-kawaii-anime-girl-gif-23576097

[amber basalt]

i been drinking so if i forget its not my fault

[leaden coral]

So it's a law there, why can't it be a law elsewhere? They have a functioning society minus changing presidents like they are shirts

[spare saffron]

bro didn't see the early December situation

[dark coral]

well a few i can think of

different legal priorities

proportionality of punishment

resource allocation in the legal systems

[spare saffron]

anyway south korea is not a well functioning society

[glass night]

is it wine this time too?

[dark coral]

potential for overcriminalization

[spare saffron]

in the long term

[dark coral]

where every small ethical violation is treated as a criminal act

[spare saffron]

birthrate is like 0.7 atleast it was in 2023

that country is cooked soon with this being norm

[amber basalt]

Prosecco

[dark coral]

the resources in the legal system are already stretched pretty thin

creating a society where cheating in tournaments is illegal sets a precedent for other ethical violations to be treated as criminal too

[leaden coral]

I think they should

[dark coral]

i just don't see it being a good idea for anyone

but we can agree to disagree

[leaden coral]

Cheating in sports is just as bad

[dark coral]

it is

but it happens all the time

[leaden coral]

It happens all the time

[dark coral]

and sometimes ppl who fix games get caught

[leaden coral]

Becauze it's legal

[dark coral]

but its rare

[leaden coral]

[spare saffron]

it's not legal

[dark coral]

i played sports for over a decade

[spare saffron]

paying a reffere to favor ur team is not legal

[dark coral]

and i see so often that the ref just gets bribed