🐲┃showdown-lfg

[next echo]

going to be a long grind with the new XP system of souljade. a level 300 purple jade, only gives 4XP on a level 350 gold souljade. lol

they are now going to force high level players to farm high level stages.

[stark oracle]

yeah we have a new gold item in weekly challenges that allows us to infuse our existing souljades

[next echo]

ohhhh, this one. didn't notice it.

[stark oracle]

wait isnt the grind easier now?

they are giving out high level jades i think now

will have to read the patch notes again

old souljades never really gave much XP anyway so feeding a 300 jade to a 350 was still kinda useless before the patch

better used for conversion in old patch since they converted into a high level jade with just one high level in the mix

[next echo]

we will see tomorrow. we have 2 weeks before racing opens again with requirement of 370.

[silver mountain]

They increased the range of souljades dropped from all missions. So where Toppled Mountains - Nightscream would've only dropped up to 295, it would drop something 300+.

[silver mountain]

So looking at the adjustments, looks like the new Uncharged Weapon Specific Jades increase their DPS by a sizable margin. So much so, they seem to outdps most other options, the only downside being you can't use your Aegis Breaker attacks off of them and they require a heavier commitment or its a loss in DPS.

[spiral lintel]

new UI for showdown looks cool

[silver mountain]

Yeah more locations is pretty cool

[devout path]

new boss is so much fun to fight

[spiral lance]

Yeee agreed. Lots of counter opportunity and the pacing is nice

[cosmic bough]

How is topaz enigma domain?

[stark oracle]

Basically eventide temple but split throughout the whole map with multiple bosses

More boss kills= more rewards

But there is a time limit

[cosmic bough]

Have you been able to complete all 8 stages in it ?

[stark oracle]

There is stuff like omnius rock just goofing around 💀

[stark oracle]

Na I only got 4

Seems tough

[cosmic bough]

I got till 6

[cosmic bough]

Yup

Needs active squadmates as well

[stark oracle]

Yeah splitting and regrouping for bosses seems best

[fickle gust]

Hows the new boss fight? 🤔

[steep mist]

fun

anyone wanna play ?

(eu)

[silver mountain]

Pretty cool although trying to figure out how to avoid her super attack in Hard

[fickle gust]

Im game to play. Guve me a min to sign in and swotch na to eu.@steep mist im only 100 sense tho. Never played new boss

Oh damn. I barely make the cut.....

[steep mist]

wdym

[silver mountain]

Recommended Sense at Normal is 100 lol

[spiral lintel]

The battle of Tian Hai vs Mutant Tian Hai

[fickle gust]

^^^ yup

Ooo. Lol. Who will win

Ok. Shes tons of fun!

And the ice welding weapon jades you get. Oooo. 😆

[brittle pier]

anyone for some showdown we need 1

[whole tundra]

still looking?

[scenic timber]

The souljades topped out at 160 in normal in the new one. Also the reduced xp is kinda annoying.

[brittle pier]

yea

[cosmic bough]

New souljade tier list?

[brittle pier]

https://tenor.com/view/anyone-here-tumbleweed-john-travolta-pulp-fiction-where-are-you-gif-22041899

[silver mountain]

Too early lol, but you want Ice-wielding on everything

[stark oracle]

yup, i am doing close to 400k damage just spamming blue moon ( imbued with ice wielding )

[silver mountain]

How's Icefall with 3 Ice-wielding?

[stark oracle]

decent

i want to switch it out tho, since u wont do much dodging when running stuff like stamina strike ice wielding or blue moon ice wielding

icefall will be absolutely cracked with assassin lunge ice wielding

[silver mountain]

I tried it with +1 Ice-wielding and it felt like I was playing with a handicap lol

[spiral lintel]

what does icefall do?

[silver mountain]

Stormstride in ice form basically. But it hurts you

[spiral lintel]

so stormstride + backfire?

[silver mountain]

Yeah

You take more damage and deal less with low ice-wielding though

[spiral lintel]

oh

lol

ok

[stark oracle]

what? lol

thats not true i think

[silver mountain]

Yeah higher

[stark oracle]

absolutely u will, icefall at lower ice wielding will FREEZE U since u have lower resistance

but at high ice wielding its decent

and absolutely cracked on matari

also nightmare is not much different from hard

i just finished it, just some few changes

probably matari with icefall, successive ice blast and assasin lounge ice wielding and other ice wielding jades will be highest dps

[silver mountain]

How much damage does she do?

On Nightscream

[cosmic bough]

Did you try ice blast backfire?

[stark oracle]

just got it

[stark oracle]

insane, 2 shot combos

1 shot combos if u get frozen

and her second phase special attack is basically 1 res gone for me

[silver mountain]

Yeah I'm not sure how you avoid the second part of her special attack

[steep mist]

anyone wanna try the nightscream ?

[silver mountain]

Going to go for 370 sense before I go in

[stark oracle]

it may take long to grind that

personally i would keep spamming nightscream at 360

i did it thrice now

and got to 368

from just 3 succesful runs

cant imagine how stupid the grind will be to reach 370 by just hard

[silver mountain]

What was your ice wielding

[stark oracle]

3

blue moon is insane already with 3 ice wielding

the frostbites were dealing 1200 damage *3 because 3 crystals

[silver mountain]

Yeah I'm using 3 with Stamina Strike

[stark oracle]

blue moon itself was dealing 2 to 2.4k * 2

[stark oracle]

i think ning still better tho, coz she doesn't need to normal attack everytime to reset her blue moon like kurumi has to

same reason i believe matari is gonna be busted as well

they can continually proc frostbites, matari and viper

[cosmic bough]

I have been ignoring it due to bad secondary attributes . Will try it now.

[stark oracle]

tarka can as well i think with cavalry

[silver mountain]

Yeah ofc, just Kurumi has sustain

[stark oracle]

they buffed blue moon and nerfed pheonix blast heavily

blue moon is INSANE dps now

u can just spam left click at the end of the 3rd attack

[stark oracle]

true

[half wing]

could you send me your current kurumi build? @silver mountain

[spiral lance]

Yoo i just used blue moon ice wielding…u right, damage is busted af lol

[cosmic bough]

Lose armor get armor

[silver mountain]

Useless roll, like getting Rage Recovery on Enrage haha

[half wing]

thank you

[whole tundra]

lfg 4 showdown, currently at 150 sense dm me :)

[cosmic bough]

yup

How is the drop rate of Successive ice blast ? Should I use blessed?

[spiral lintel]

yes, use blessed

the +1000 luck is quite noticeable

[silver mountain]

Updated the leveling chart for Nightscream, Doom and Yushan missions:

[granite sonnet]

does icefall damage increases with ice wielding ? because my stormstride is doing 2x more damage, I don't get it

[steep mist]

i think this icefall is just complete sh!t

[silver mountain]

Yeah even at 5 Ice-wielding it was freezing me pretty fast. Damage didn't seem that great either

[flat flax]

does it matter damage wise if i put ice wielding on gold jade or purple jade?

[silver mountain]

It costs more to put it on a Gold.

[flat flax]

cause the ice essence cost is 5 vs 10

yeah i know

[silver mountain]

But believe it does the same thing

[flat flax]

okay, thanks

Also, is blue moon really that good atm?

[silver mountain]

Yeah, haven't tried it yet, but if it's like stamina strike then yeah

[stark oracle]

its probably just a matari thing

[stark oracle]

Alright let me break it down why blue moon ( and probably Assassin Lounge which is probably more broken i haven't tested it yet ) is broken

Previously, last patch A decent Viper build ( outrage, backfire, desparation sometimes ) did around 4,800-5000 Damage with pheonix blast and around 5500-6000 with kurumi buff

[half wing]

you need Successive Ice Blast for the new builds to work right?

i really dont like the new builds. Is it just spamming horizontal uncharged or am i doing something wrong?

[stark oracle]

This patch, seeing how broken Viper's Dps was, they nerfed pheonix blast by around 20-30% and buffed blue moon by around 60%

[stark oracle]

I haven't tried without successive ice blast but the souljade states that its less damage because of 3 separate frostbites

so i dont think u need successive ice blast, although successive ice blast chews threw aegis faster

[half wing]

im playing these builds right now

[stark oracle]

yeah its just left click spam rather than previous left click charged spam

[half wing]

never go for the aegis move?

[stark oracle]

the golden aegis break move? i do go for it all the time to break aegis still

[half wing]

and its so hard to dodge, parry and defuse while spaming horizontals

oh so only spam h when he is knocked?

[stark oracle]

na na u still use charged horizontals followed by aegis break move

u only use blue moon for health

[half wing]

whoops

theres my mistake 😄

[stark oracle]

So continuing on ,Pheonix blast was nerfed slightly but blue moon was buffed majorly

[silver mountain]

Less damage per blast, but more damage total

[stark oracle]

now, blue moon does 4- 4.8k Damage ( Pheonix blast does less i believe ) , blue moon is also faster than any pheonix blast ( pheonix blast was already crazy fast for dps )

AND ON TOP OF IT, It has a special ice wielding souljade

applying more frostbite damage

I don't even have the ice wielding Blue Moon, i just have a normal blue moon with ice wielding

and my frostbite procs do 3.6k Damage

so in around 2-3 blue moon Hits ( Which is still faster than 2 pheonix blasts ) i do 9K from blue moon AND i do 7.2k from frostbites

in total 15k Damage approx~

in just 2-3 blue moons which is SUPER fast to use

and I HAVENT EVEN MAXED the Ice wielding yet, AND I DONT HAVE THE ICE WIELDING BLUE MOON VARIATION lol

like i said, i was able to do 400K Damage to Mommy Ning

I still believe that Assassin Lounge will be best dps tho ( Unless cavalry bloom is better ), Because you can also proc icefall with Assassin Lounge

which is just more DPS

Cavalry Bloom also procs icefall so if anyone has the jade do test

ill test matari tomorrow hopefully

I don't really know about Jabbing and Erudition

[silver mountain]

I'm doing top damage with Tianhai and Jabbing

[stark oracle]

Jabbing can also be insane AF because in PVP Jabbing is insane Damage

[stark oracle]

lol exactly

[silver mountain]

Even with me building more defensive since I'm not on NA & my sense is low.

[stark oracle]

Whats ur tianhai build

I am curious about defensive build

Tbh I like to run copper ward on tianhai and give armor powders to teammates

since Tianhai Restores all hp when ulting

so i only have this idea of defense

technically u can just run one attacking souljade ( Blue Moon, Jabbing, Assassin Lounge,etc ) and just have ice wielding on other souljades which are defensive ( like guardian and warrior ) and still do insane damage

[silver mountain]

Copper Ward reduces your effective HP by 40%, so I stay away from it generally

This is my current though for Nightscream Yushan:

[stark oracle]

True, But i think only tianhai can use it decently

[stark oracle]

good build, don't know if tianhai's ultimate enhance is worth running

[silver mountain]

Maybe so, cause aside from the heal his Ultimate is only good for going for counters.

Tried it against minions in Immovable and couldn't even pick any up. Smdh

[stark oracle]

Its also good when ur teammates are a little weak and getting swarmed, buys time a lot

once used it to protect my teammates and helped them reset

[silver mountain]

Got people below the Recommended Sense for Nightscream attempting Yushan... 😮‍💨

Expecting to be carried already

[stark oracle]

yeah yushan is not easy to carry compared to omnius

she has insane aoe attacks and freezes which makes soloing her a little more difficult compared to omnius

[silver mountain]

Might be easier once we get +6 Ice-wielding & 400 Sense

[stark oracle]

true

we may still get frozen and attacked tho so idk

[stiff sage]

dayum so normal attack spam viper better than focus spam now?

too much didn't read hahaha

[silver mountain]

Yeah

At least for health damage

[stiff sage]

ohh hallelujah this is good news for me haha

i can hit +20% atk now for viper

wait just to doublecheck, is atk substats still most desirable?

or do we need aegis damage now

[silver mountain]

Yeah, but more so ice wielding

[stiff sage]

hmmm ice wielding is the new imbuement feature right?

we can add icewielding to non-icewielding souljades?

[silver mountain]

Yeah, but you only get 5 essence per week

[stiff sage]

ohhh

do you put them all onto one souljade or does every souljade need to have some ice imbuement

[silver mountain]

You need 5 for purples, 10 for golds

[stiff sage]

oh damn

5 essence equuals one ice wielding?

[silver mountain]

Yup

[stiff sage]

can you have like idk +2 iceweilding on a jade

or is it capped at +1

[silver mountain]

No

Just 1

[stiff sage]

ohhh understood understood

one more question, do you know if ice weilding gets transferred when you reroll jades?

or does it lose the iceweilding enhance

[fickle gust]

Has anyone tried the enigma rune keys yet?

The enigma domain?

[silver mountain]

Yeah

[fickle gust]

Is it worth attempting at level 100 or should i save it

[silver mountain]

I haven't tried the lower level one, but yeah, it drops only purples & above it seems

You open chests to increase the sense level of the drops. Bosses drop the souljades

[fickle gust]

Hmm. I have a showdown quest to play one. Ill try later when i got a team lol. Ty

[silver mountain]

I can help, wanna see how high it goes as well

[fickle gust]

Ok. When your free here in an hour or two. Gonna farm mama ning atm. Then gotta get kids from school

[silver mountain]

Alrighty

[fickle gust]

Pretty cool that i think i now have 1 ice welding class owned jade for each hero now tho. Well except tainhai. Just from the couple of runs ive done.

[silver mountain]

Very nice. Still trying to figure out those enigma missions

[fickle gust]

@silver mountain same. I think tarka might be needed for the zoomies. 😆 might have a better run because you get to location faster.

Thank you for trying it with me.

[silver mountain]

Yeah and probably split up to open more chest

Think it gives more time whenever the bar fills

[fickle gust]

We stalled out in the end for that reason i think too. Out of time and couldnt find all the enemies at that one chest.

[cobalt oyster]

lfg

[next echo]

farming on what stage?

[cobalt oyster]

idk pretty low

[next echo]

how low exactly?

because either you get carried in high level or we adjust to your stage.

[cobalt oyster]

I played on 45 sense recommendation last time

but I lost

[next echo]

let me finish my current game. i can join you. you're on what server?

[cobalt oyster]

EU

[queen sorrel]

lfg NA

[cobalt oyster]

nvm logging off for now

[next echo]

ok

[devout path]

wanna sense lvl with us? the lowest lvl we have is 152

we pushing to get to 260 by the end of the week

[inner pike]

How do you unlock showdown?

[devout path]

wth

[inner pike]

It’s not an option for me but my friend says it should be

[brittle pier]

anyone high sense in EU ?

[silver mountain]

Please don't go into Yushan Nightscream not at the recommended sense at least.

You'll take so much damage you won't be able to do much of anything.

[stiff sage]

@silver mountain do you have like a recommended viper ning souljade setup for this time?

i want to try the quick attack blue moon build

[next echo]

Im level 360+ sense though.

Im farming tianhai for the swarm weapon exp.

[devout path]

rip

im 220 helpin him farm

[fickle gust]

@inner pike did you finish all the turtorial stuff? Its odd that it doesnt even show up.

What happens if if you toggle over to showdown in dashboard at top?

[inner pike]

There isn’t even an option on dashboard and it’s working on my gfs console right beside me

[fickle gust]

I didnt think showdown was level locked at all. Hmmm. Thats really odd. My only guess is either you never finished the turtorial section of the game when you first start or maybe gotta be 10 or 15 account level. Im not sure.

[queen sorrel]

lfg

[inner pike]

Is it not available on Xbox one? Maybe new gen only

[queen sorrel]

my friend plays it on his xbox one s so it should be there

[fickle gust]

@inner pike its cloud avaliable on xbox one but i think a friend told me it doesnt play well. And download playable on xbox series x/s. I play on series S.

[inner pike]

I’m on series s but my gf is on an Xbox one so I’m thinking that might be the problem

[brittle pier]

Can anyone explain how to level up after sense 180 I'm stuck

[devout path]

wanna join us?

[brittle pier]

We on different servers aren't we xd

[devout path]

[brittle pier]

[devout path]

helping my buddy get to 180

rn

[brittle pier]

Wat did yall do to lvl up from 180 to higher sense

[devout path]

[silver mountain]

Keep in mind that chart's outdated for everything below Nightscream and not Yushan

They vastly increased the level ranges

Wouldn't be surprised if Eventide is dropping above 180 jades

[devout path]

fair

[brittle pier]

Max on new normal yushan is 160

The rest I dunno xd

[silver mountain]

Yeah that's on there

[devout path]

Dharma ending drops 225

[brittle pier]

You sure about that xd

[devout path]

yissir

been running it based off that chart and i just got 225 drops from it

[brittle pier]

It's a long mission tho

[devout path]

well my buddy needs to lvl he is currently 170 sense

[brittle pier]

I got stuck in 182 lmao

I farmed regular yushan for hrs non stop 😂😂

[devout path]

come join us man

[brittle pier]

Fastest way to 170 then the progress stalled

[brittle pier]

Different servers 😂

[devout path]

we got a 2 stack and queue times are nutty

[brittle pier]

I'm EU and it's 2am

I should catch some zz

[devout path]

rippage

[brittle pier]

I been on this mode for a minimum of 9 hrs

Bruh xd

[silver mountain]

Normal Yushan's good till 160, but Eventide is pretty easy tbh as well

[devout path]

6 min queue times lets goo

[silver mountain]

Better off 2-manning

[brittle pier]

Get that fill team off and go duo

[devout path]

yea you right but honestly i cant be arsed to id basically be carrying

mans cant parry to save his life

[brittle pier]

Yushan girl ez parries

[silver mountain]

There's always eventide

Guaranteed 7 jades if you open all cheats

[brittle pier]

Evenide gives jades above 180?

[devout path]

im trying to still get a little exp myself

[silver mountain]

Idk, sounds possible though

[brittle pier]

Oh well what's to lose il give it a few tries in next showdown

It's closed for now

So tomorrow

Thanks for the tips yall

[next echo]

opens still in NA.

[brittle pier]

The EU in my user name didn't ring a bell

[next echo]

so is my AS. im still playing in NA server to farm showdown though even with 200ms ping

[brittle pier]

Is it worth it tho

[next echo]

it is. to maxed out my swarm range weapon to lv.25 using tianhai in showdown

and farm jades with ice

im the one even carrying NA players

[devout path]

proof btw

also holy jades

[silver mountain]

Oh i believed you

[brittle pier]

I believed u without proof derpy boi

[silver mountain]

I was shocked to see 300+ jades from desert trib

[brittle pier]

Sounds good! Good luck brother

[devout path]

im just trying to get my buddy to 200 so we can swap to the boss

[silver mountain]

Only thing hard to do right now is 370 to 380-ish

[next echo]

probably racing farm will solve that.

[brittle pier]

Yall crazy ngl

[next echo]

once it is open in feb16

[silver mountain]

Yeah true

Gonna be 400 by then though kek

[next echo]

dark, carry me in nightscream ice boss

[silver mountain]

Farming hard to 375 right now lol. Need a decent group

[devout path]

you got a free sec?

[silver mountain]

What's up?

Finally clearing these nightscreams

[fickle gust]

Has anyone gotten any staff jades for tainhai yet? Do they exist? 😆

[silver mountain]

The jab one yeah, it's pretty good

[fickle gust]

Ooo cool. Ive yet to see one. Gunpowder seems to be the drop for me. 😆

[silver mountain]

Yushan Nightscream caps at 370

[fickle gust]

Im still under 130. 😆

[next echo]

the jab jade seems to be a must have for tianhai for boss build. so he can do astral aegis break faster.

[silver mountain]

Yeah and much higher dps than the default horizontal charge

[fickle gust]

I got a legandary rune key off mama ning. Ooooo. Very nioce. 😆 so much fun grinding her.

[silver mountain]

From normal difficulty?

[stark oracle]

I got legends rune key as well, from nightscream tho lol

Afraid to use it since I still don't understand how to clear everything

[placid lodge]

Hii I'm tryna find a group to clear nightscream toppled mountain, or whatever the final morus isle boss is. I'm about sense 240-250

[silver mountain]

I gotta see how hard that counter hits for to see if it is worth taking up a slot.

[silver mountain]

Same, only can seem to make it to enhancement 4

[stark oracle]

tbh its good just because it gives your teammates time to attack freely as well

if they understand that is

[stark oracle]

yeah i feel like they didn't make the rules clear at all

they just dumped this mode on us and didn't specify much lol

[silver mountain]

I just know it gives you more time everytime the enemies enhance, but it doesn't really explain the roles of the bosses, aside from the Souljades dropping from them.

Also realizing that reaching Sense 400 before the 16th is going to be difficult with the new system.

[stark oracle]

there is really no point i assume tho, they might bring the sense of people back to 380-390 for racing

[silver mountain]

Yeah it says it scales you back to 390, but you still keep the base attack bonus & health/armor bonus

Also makes farming everything else faster.

Not that big a deal though as it was before since it was ~16% extra health & attack, it would just be ~2.5%

[winter saddle]

You're the darkzero 😅

I play with you a few times

😅😅

[silver mountain]

Ah nice haha

[silver mountain]

Looks like the Enigma is going to be the way to 400 for now.

[sharp drum]

Is there any group that can teach showdown to me

Its pretty straightforward but would like to party up and play

Since the new event is out

[silver mountain]

I see you're on Xbox, got a group of NA players I hang with

[sharp drum]

Im on sea though

Does switching server take your souljades away?

[silver mountain]

Yeah my ping is terrible there sorry

Nope

[sharp drum]

I can change

120 ish ping

Do you have a spot free now?

[paper bronze]

time changed 2 times, since i started , it ended at 11 pm, then 10 , now up to midnight lol,

[silver mountain]

Sorry was full

[sharp drum]

Is kurumi a good character for endgame?

Or does everyone tech into dps?

How do i play the new pve mode with this update?

[steep mist]

kurumi is always good to have in showdown

[cosmic bough]

lfg nightscream yushan. I’m at sense 370 . sea server

[cosmic bough]

absolutely

[sharp drum]

Do i just get the higher souljades all the time to go up the level

Similar to power levels in other games?

[steep mist]

sometimes there's nothing u can do to survive a boss special attack besides having kurumi ult up

[sharp drum]

Like destiny division etc

Then ill keep upgrading her

[sharp drum]

So you go up the difficulty and get better souljades to go higher?

[paper bronze]

i forgot about changing servers to play hehe, im lfg showdwn any server sea is active

not much different for skills, ect than regular naraka, uhm, parry as mcuh as u can, use souljades, upgrade char

any facts on damage number for new update additions, like frost hits

[sharp drum]

After this server which server goes active?

[spiral lance]

EU

[sharp drum]

Thanks

And we can switch server to keep playing?

I just beat normal difficulty missions and trying to keep gearing higher

[spiral lance]

Yep. EU I believe opens in 2 hrs 20 mins. AS will be open for a while longer tho. EU usually more busy so id switch. And better ping for me personally

Yes u you can jump around servers

So showdown is available all day if you want it to be lol

[sharp drum]

Cool man thanks

Im trying to find a chill group play

This game is so dead but i like it

If you have time add me i wanna learn and play better

[spiral lance]

Id say on the AS server for the lower missions, you’re probably going to waiting a bit for matches. Once you hop into EU and NA servers, it should speed up a bit to find people around your sense lvl

[flat flax]

Anyone knows what sense level are enemies in the last wave (8/8) of enigma domain in the harder difficulty mode?

[next echo]

all of us used legendary key (+9000 luck)

[sharp drum]

Trying to beat this ominus decent boss on hard

I keep matching people with sense 4-10? Like why

[cosmic bough]

Did you moved separately?

[spiral lintel]

because they got carried and they want to keep doing so

also @sharp drum if you need help with omnius, i can help you

[paper bronze]

im on sea

showdowns active there, im america local

[sharp drum]

I just finished

[next echo]

yes, we all moved separately. and only teamed up on latter bosses.

[sharp drum]

The next level is 60 so im trying to farm this

We need 1 more

Does anyone wanna party up to play?

[cosmic bough]

I thought this was topaz level . What is the sense level of jades that you received from emerald?

[half wing]

you still looking for a third?

[half wing]

I can help till EU is open

[sharp drum]

SEA is open

We are on sea

[half wing]

yes me too

[sharp drum]

Okay just a sec

[half wing]

but when EU is open i want to grind Mommy Viper Nightscream again. My Ping in SEA is terrible 😄

[sharp drum]

Sorry my chinese friend got on we are waiting for him

If theres an opening ill dm you

[half wing]

ok

[sharp drum]

I do need help leveling up though

Wanna try to beat this event boss

[half wing]

just dm me when you need help. Im Sense Level 370

[dense carbon]

How long does it take to increase Sense level in Showdown? My highest is 37 lol

[spiral lintel]

its really based on what sense you are

but up until sense 180 it should be quite fast

[steep mist]

ayo any good players got key for the enigma domain?

[sacred vector]

Anyone wanna play ?

[cosmic bough]

I have legendary rune key. Need good strategy for topaz enigma all 8 level clear.

[winter saddle]

How u otine legendary key ?🤔

[paper bronze]

ya cleared 8 stages ?

[granite sonnet]

oh so there is no phase 3 in nightscream ? its way easier than chapter 2 boss

[silver mountain]

Yeah looks like you just want to kill minions until you reach the Sense level you want and then you group up to kill bosses.

[cosmic bough]

So until stage 8 no boss kills? ( for best jades)

[silver mountain]

Stage 7 is 385 Sense, so you likely won't be going for Stage 8 unless you're above that already

[cosmic bough]

I am now at 379 so stage 7 should be alright if time permits maybe 8 as well.

[silver mountain]

I wonder if the difficulty of the mission has a higher drop rate for the keys or is it the same

[fringe matrix]

does ice break backfire freeze u?

[cosmic bough]

no afaik. Icefall seems to do that repeatedly.

[cosmic bough]

I am now at sense 380 for viper.Trying for successive ice blast but no luck till now.

[silver mountain]

Yeah only Ice Fall deals self freeze, but i think you could combo it with Ice Break Backfire to proc it off of your own damage. Not sure how much damage it will do though and you need less than 6 Ice Wielding

[sharp drum]

Do i need 3 gold souljades to convert into another gold?

Or it can be 2 golds and 1 purple

[silver mountain]

I'm not sure what happens if you do 1 purple

Scared to risk it lol

[sharp drum]

Same

[cosmic bough]

3

[sharp drum]

We need 1 for showdowns

Does anyone wanna help? I have a friend and me

86 and 105 sense atm

[fringe matrix]

ok thanks guys

[fringe matrix]

can not, ull get error message

[silver mountain]

Fastest one yet

[stiff sage]

Who do you guys run?

Also what u guys think about tianhai for PvE, strong or not🤔

Cuz tarka is basically done for, not too usable right now so I'm just looking at alternatives haha

[cosmic bough]

Lfg yushan nightscream .anybody?

[silver mountain]

We had Kurumi, Matari and Viper

[cosmic bough]

Best tianhai aegis dmg? Jabbing ?

[silver mountain]

He's pretty decent. His ult is a dps loss if you don't get any counters though

[stiff sage]

Yeah jabbing is pretty essential on tianhai I'd say

[stiff sage]

Yeahhh I usually use it as a get out of jail card for now until I figure out how to set him up

He I think maybe can look at quick attack for tianhai, although it wouldn't really be up when he's in small form

[silver mountain]

Quick Attack wouldn't work with Jabbing

[cosmic bough]

Why tarka not useful?

[cosmic bough]

Best way to repeatedly jab without starting combo?

[silver mountain]

Dash Cancel

[cosmic bough]

Also after breaking aegis should I use vertical charge attack or still jabbing?

[stiff sage]

well firstly becuz his recent energy nerf thing, but also becuz his defuse doesn't suit the new boss's attacks much (he stays in place for a few seconds)

[stiff sage]

oh i was thinking of quick attack for increasing damage in ultimate form

also did you know that apparently matari's assassin lunge can't work with quick attack i heard

[silver mountain]

Jabbing most likely, but i haven't done any numbers yet

[silver mountain]

Someone tested it?

Haven't gotten a chance to really use Matari

[stiff sage]

yes, let me see if i can find the video

its chinese though so just watch the numbers LOL

[silver mountain]

It's procing Stormstride Sword though, so that's weird

[cosmic bough]

Haven’t tried. I am getting ice blast backfire every time for the epic jades.

[stiff sage]

ikr? thats why i think it might be a bug or something

ice blast backfire good?

i've been running full ice imbued jades for tianhai so i don't usually get frozen too much to consider taking it yet

[silver mountain]

No idea, wish they added some more Souljade slots

I'd imagine Ice Fall + Ice Blast Backfire could have some synergy

[stiff sage]

no assassins lunge

with assassins lunge

[cosmic bough]

Using only for ice wielding property right now

[stiff sage]

lol idk, im still kinda on the fence about voluntarily freezing yourself in the fight hahaha

[silver mountain]

There's also Ice Shield

But at +6 Ice Wielding, Ice Fall doesn't freeze you

[stiff sage]

?!

[cosmic bough]

Getting random players in yushan nightscream with 340s sense wtd

[stiff sage]

carry them haha

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-strong-buff-ripped-gif-24036188

[silver mountain]

Right, people just disregard Recommended Sense some reason. Even though it's called that, it nerfs you if you're below it

Not hard at all to get to 360 Sense

[stiff sage]

they're prolly thinking like "i'll just dodge the attacks"😂 😂

and then load in and get murked before they even hit once

[cosmic bough]

yes even 370 is not so difficult.

[silver mountain]

Gonna try to reach 380 today

[mystic solstice]

Need to do 1 quest that is showdown with friends anyone?

Tho my sense level is 27

[unreal hound]

are stormstride and desperation not worth anymore for dps builds?

[fickle gust]

Which levels do you suggest for the grind again? 🤔

[granite sonnet]

Icefall + ice blast deal less damage than stormstride, I really don't know why I should use them

[silver mountain]

Ah so Ice Blast is weak? Was wondering.

[silver mountain]

I haven't been using Stormstride, cause I don't have an Ice-Wielding one, but Desperation is still good, just not broken when active anymore

[surreal steppe]

is it just normal to enter nightscream and get like, 1-2 increase in sense drops? pre-nightscream I was able to practically raise my sense 4-5 levels each run, now I barely scrap a sense level increase each run (144 sense level)

[silver mountain]

Yeah noticed that happening a lot since the patch

[cosmic bough]

Gold jade from quiz today as well

[silver mountain]

Wait what

[surreal steppe]

well thats an L

[cosmic bough]

“Fun in lanterns” event

[silver mountain]

You can farm missions to much higher levels now though at least. Just 380+ is rough till Doom-Racing

[cosmic bough]

How to get ice wielding when converting jades?

[stiff sage]

pray to rng

for better chances sacrifice your firstborn child hahaha

[silver mountain]

Yeah it's pure chance aside from Imbuing. You can only imbue one purple per week or one legendary per 2 weeks though at the current rate

[cosmic bough]

Is there a limit to number of jades you can store?

[stiff sage]

yes and it is hhhhhh frustrating haha

at least now with the new souljades i'll just reroll all the old ones i've got so it frees up space

but by the end of this "season" of showdown you'll have stocked up so many purple and gold jades for the next season that you'll be clearing souljades every other match hahaha

[silver mountain]

Yeah i got so many locked that had good rolls from last season I'm holding on to, just waiting to be replaced with one with Ice-Wielding

[ebon geyser]

it took me an embarrassingly long time to realize there was defuse solve and defuse combo jades that were different, as well as tianhai and tarka having combo vs solve

and matari dash lol

[paper bronze]

how so diferent

[ebon geyser]

well, naraka just crashed at viper mommy's 2nd stage burst lol

i guess too much went on for my poor pc

[silver mountain]

They can't use jades that have Defuse-Solve in their name.

Defuse- Combo activates an attack automatically on hit.
Defuse-Dash makes you start flying on hit.

[paper bronze]

ewww. complications

[ebon geyser]

that makes me wonder if the legendary defuse jades work then with combo/dash

since they do say defuse - solve

[paper bronze]

i reckon they made a typo.bug when first read over them

wearing desperation, i went with previous games logic of the lower health more damage boosted. yet patch notes exclude details other than 30

down to now 20% damge boost

[silver mountain]

They nerfed how attack scales. It used to increase your rage generation and aegis damage, but they removed it

[ebon geyser]

yeah the rage regen is taking getting used to for me

i removed enrage from all my builds actually

[next echo]

How is successive ice Blast triggered? im confused when i see that 3 ice pops happening. I thought it was everytime you did a blue attack regardless if charged or from combo.

It did say, when Frostbite Damage is triggered, but when/how do you trigger that as well?

[silver mountain]

Seems to be a hidden build up. Temulch can trigger it with just two attacks sometimes. But it takes like 3 separate attacks for other characters.

[next echo]

i see. must be faster if you have +6 ice wielding from that hidden buildup.

[silver mountain]

Yeah seems so

The patch notes said it increases its Aegis Damage, but honestly it does a lot of Health Damage.

[paper bronze]

change much? frost burst dodge or lightning? day1 prefer lightning still, swap in the frost pop after taking hit.

[silver mountain]

Still haven't tested ice blast, but ima leave that for when I finish the sense grind.

Ice Fall is terrible though. No point at all.

[brittle pier]

anyone EU wanna showdown xd

my sense is 245

[next echo]

isnt EU showdown close now?

[next echo]

you can counter while on tianhai transformation? 😮

[silver mountain]

Yeah, his ultimate enhance makes the counter even stronger. Haven't gotten it yet though

[next echo]

hmmm... i got to try that. i didnt know you can counter while in transformation.

[silver mountain]

You can spam them pretty quick too, just sucks when the boss decides to throw no focus attacks lol

[granite sonnet]

how is tarka cavalry bloom ?

[silver mountain]

Seems like it does a decent amount of DPS. Haven't tested anything yet though

[brittle pier]

now it is xD

[next echo]

ohhh. i thought it closes at 7am gmt+8.

[brittle pier]

it closed like 7 minutes ago

[next echo]

i read they adjusted the time on patch note but did not pay attention to NA/EU.

[next echo]

i should have farmed tianhai low stage level in EU so i can unlock the 30 games achievement of viper.

[mortal trout]

Gelid Yushan Holoroth anyone?

[sharp drum]

@mortal trout sure

Im on sea atm

[next echo]

yes. once you get this message, then you need to cleanup your souljade bag.

[frosty osprey]

Team? xd

[next echo]

im just farming normal mode yushan. i just want to max out my swarm ranged weapon.

[frosty osprey]

Oh, ok.

[silver mountain]

Oh boy it's a grind at 380+

[light ruin]

Can anyone help me do desert tribulations on normal?

Im a noob

[paper bronze]

SURE U on still

[light ruin]

I got passed it but thanks

[spiral lintel]

Yo can anyone help me with Topaz Enigma Domain (i need people with 290 sense and above)

[silver mountain]

Anyone know what the first Enigma Domain caps out to? The second one caps at 385 Sense.

[cosmic bough]

Should be around recommended sense for topaz enigma. But @next echo has completed it and would know the exact value.

[next echo]

when i finished 8 boss with +9000 Luck, we were at the lower enigma (emerald). highest drop there is only lv.280.

[cosmic bough]

I just did normal yushan for ice wielding epic jades but got rare only even with 2900 luck

[next echo]

posting it here for anyone farming for legendary rune key. it also drops in normal yushan.

[cosmic bough]

How many have you collected till now? Did you use blessed?

[next echo]

3. and no, im not using any luck jades.

[cosmic bough]

Has anybody tried cavalry ice wielding?

[ocean charm]

anyone on AS server wanna farm stone boss nightscream

[cosmic bough]

Got 4 epic jades in normal yushan without any luck.

[surreal steppe]

poison needs a nerf

no kurumi = your run is over

[ocean charm]

use a sap or soul drawing

[surreal steppe]

right, forgot those existed, thanks

[hasty cradle]

Its grief for the relevant missions.

[surreal steppe]

if I just want to farm for hero xp, which mission do I go for?

[ocean charm]

normal sword boss

normal stone boss is faster too

[fringe matrix]

why do ppl like to spam ranged on yushan mode?

am i missing smt like it literally lags my game

[ocean charm]

to break astral aegis quicker

[wispy kernel]

Has anyone tried 360 yushan, if so how hard is it

[ocean charm]

its not bad

i like it

[fringe matrix]

damn, so usually all three go ranged for meta?

[ocean charm]

not sure if its meta

i havent met a full team thats done full range build

i only see one guy every run i random queue into

i do the full range build cuz its easier to play with

[next echo]

still doing it? i need to farm several hero gold jades.

[next echo]

seems this can be done safely on sand boss. all 3 just climb mountain and have these 2 equipped and should be fun.

[next echo]

boss just attacks faster and harder compared to Yushan hard mode. but if you know all her move and counters, it should be easy. I farm it with decent team.

[silver mountain]

First phase is harder than the second one some reason, but yeah as long as someone is on top of those counters it goes much smoother. Just make sure you're at least 360 Sense, although you can farm Hard to about 375 Sense.

[next echo]

with a not so much decent team. I am playing Kurumi. Castellan was on Viper, and other one was on Tianhai. you can already tell by damage who was doing the job. and Kurumi is not supposed to be the main damager. lol

but yeah, it starts to become doable when you experience it and someone is taking lead on counters/etc.

[next echo]

you're at 385 now?

[silver mountain]

381, almost 382.

[next echo]

noice

[silver mountain]

Tried using the keys to level, but they only seem to drop up to 375, despite the enemies capping at 385

Well still haven't managed to clear the last boss in time

[wispy kernel]

whats ur jade lvl

[next echo]

380 on Kurumi.

[wispy kernel]

doable with 360 or should i get higher

[next echo]

i was 370 when i first tried it. haha

[ocean charm]

can someone tell me how to properly farm enigma

[next echo]

pretty sure it's doable on 360 but you need to be better in dodging/countering.

[ocean charm]

how do u get ur enhanced meter to 8 quickly

[wispy kernel]

yeah i just need to learn her 1st phase 2nd moveset is easier imo

[next echo]

i just learned 30 minutes ago how to properly dodge 2nd phase Mid Boss attack ice bombs. you only need to climb the small tower while trying to hide from stun of boss.. still figuring out how to dodge the falling chains though. maybe a normal properly timed dodge will do.

we were eating those ice blast before. and just making sure Kurumi has setup the ultimate. lol

[ocean charm]

the falling chains i just scale rush up to the sky and sky walk tends to work alot

[wispy kernel]

^hmm alright thx for the info

[silver mountain]

The chains can be tricky, cause the boss throws out a shockwave that knocks you up right before them, but generally I find getting up close to boss as soon as her 3rd eye disappears and tap dodging the shockwave helps.

[ocean charm]

if ur a matari or monk u can time it and hit ur f skill too

[silver mountain]

I'd recommend 370 to have a not so rough time personally. You can farm Hard to that level relatively quick.

[silver mountain]

We found that killing the big guys (Warlocks & Hammer Ents) give you 10% enhance bar. So we focus those for the most part. Axe Ents give 3%, so they're nice to get too if you can kill them quickly.

[ocean charm]

in ur process do u still try to open the chests?

also do u guys split up?

[silver mountain]

Most of the time no. Gotta keep track of where you've been as a team

[next echo]

when does the time extend? only when boss spawns?

[silver mountain]

Fully clearing a stronghold seems to just give an extra 1%, so aside from the buffs and supplies they drop, not necessary.

[silver mountain]

When the enhance bar is filled.

[ocean charm]

when the boss spawns do u go for him right away or do u level up ur meter to 8 first?

[silver mountain]

Bosses give 25%,and a long lasting buff, so we'd have two people go clear a boss, while one went around killing a big guy. If timed right you can have another boss spawn in the same spot when you kill one. So far we've managed to get to enhancement 8 with this method, leaving us around a minute to kill the final boss, but haven't managed yet

[ocean charm]

whose the last boss

[steep mist]

random

[ocean charm]

whats ur character comp

[steep mist]

matari viper kurumi

[ocean charm]

o interesting

i use valda to kill the elite mobs, erudition is really strong

[next echo]

not shaming Castellan but he is doing really bad here in Yushan Nightscream. he was using Temulch this time.

[ocean charm]

why u do him like that lol

[silver mountain]

I think Kurumi + Viper works really well to duo all the bosses. We had a Tarka clearing, but I'm not sure exactly what he was using.

[next echo]

for people not to use temulch... hahaha just kidding.

[ocean charm]

tarka is also really strong for mob clearing

[silver mountain]

Temulch can do damage with Aerial Rend

[ocean charm]

his cannons r basically super ballistas

[next echo]

he is supposed to be. but checking that stats, he was lowest in aegis as well.

[ocean charm]

i think temulch should just focus on astral aegis

what server r u guys on

[silver mountain]

I still need his Ultimate Enhance, but basically was able to farm Hard & Normal Yushan really quick

[next echo]

AS/SEA. but i might switch to EU now just to get the Viper achievement 30 games.

[silver mountain]

I'm the dedicated Kurumi for my team, so haven't gotten a chance to do Nightscream with him yet

[ocean charm]

whats ur fastest on normal clear

[next echo]

easiest achieve on normal mode boss showdown.

[silver mountain]

43 seconds I think

[ocean charm]

dang

[silver mountain]

I'm on NA. Gonna be out of town today though unfortunately

[ocean charm]

im on NA too im IPD ` OnlyRain

[silver mountain]

Yushan Normal is the new Toppled Mountains Normal

[ocean charm]

i got no team sadly solo qing is painful

[silver mountain]

Just quicker cause there's no immunity phase

[silver mountain]

Think I've seen that name around

[ocean charm]

i dont play much game time wise

only reason im playing alot this week cuz of showdown update

do u use icefall i sometimes use it on my matari but it gets annoying getting frozen alot

[silver mountain]

I've tried it with maxed Ice-Wielding, doesn't seem worth over Stormstride

[next echo]

remove that crap. lol

[silver mountain]

Does like half the damage

[wispy kernel]

canj any1 explain what ice control does

[silver mountain]

Control?

[ocean charm]

bro icefall will be op tho in the doom racing

cuz the omen doesnt give u frostbite as long as u keep hitting the boss

[silver mountain]

It's barely noticeable in the Enigma Domain

[ocean charm]

i think its good for matari's

shooting out more icefalls compared to stormstride

[wispy kernel]

like the new effect on jades

[silver mountain]

Stormstride I still think is better. Ice Fall was hitting for about ~350 and Stormstride for about ~740

[wispy kernel]

idk the english name

[ocean charm]

if ur aggressive u can shoot our more icefalls than the time it takes stormstride to pop

[steep mist]

icefall is grief af

[ocean charm]

i think the true purpose of icefall is to make ur dodges do "dmg"

[steep mist]

stromstride is the same

with more dmg

and it doesnt hurt u

xd

[ocean charm]

nah man

u dodge more than u proc a stormstride

[silver mountain]

Oh sorry,

• It makes you harder to freeze.
• You'll deal a burst in damage every few attacks.
• Ice attack Souljades are more effective.

[silver mountain]

Isn't it one Ice Fall per dodge?

Same as Stormstride

[ocean charm]

no stormstride isnt based on dodges

its timed attack

[silver mountain]

Well actually Stormstride Sword is better on Matari now since Assassin's Lunge hits so many times. I think you're too far away for Stormstride to hit with it.

[ocean charm]

even if we ignore that part

the times where u just dodge a attack with ur iframes to not get hurt will also indirectly hurt the boss

this might need more testing tho

[silver mountain]

Yeah. I guess it is better than Stormstride against Yushan since she is so mobile. And Assassin's Lunge places you too far out on downs.

[wispy kernel]

is the burst good

[silver mountain]

Idk what the default damage on it is, but mine is hitting for about 2.1k with successive ice blast (4.2k on downs).

[ocean charm]

are you talking about the successive ice blast?

[silver mountain]

Granted I'm hovering around 5 Ice-Wielding at the moment

Yeah, i managed to get it pretty early and noticed my damage skyrocket

[ocean charm]

im trying to get ice repeating crossbow so i can just sit at a corner and become a turret

what do u think about the rage nerf

i think it made tarkas ult bad

[silver mountain]

But i haven't tried the default blast. Anyone knows how hard there's is hitting?

[wispy kernel]

can the ice stack on one jade or is it just +1

[silver mountain]

Just +1 right now

[ocean charm]

if ur just talking about the ice blast, with no jade ive seen the number hit 1k, if u have the jade on it does 500 x3

[silver mountain]

I tried it, that's going to require some extensive testing cause my damage out put was extremely low, but I think my teammates were higher

[ocean charm]

r u using crossbow augment

to speed up the bullets

[silver mountain]

Oh wait i forgot to add a decimal lol.

[ocean charm]

losing is bit more dmg to shoot out more bullets is better in my opinion

[silver mountain]

But yeah my Successive Ice Blasts are hitting for 700 (1400 on downs) a tick.

[ocean charm]

dang that high af

whats ur jade set

i assume u have no saps

[silver mountain]

Gotta calculate what the damage decrease is, but basically if it's below 20%,it's a dps increase.

Not going to be able to do any numbers till next week

[silver mountain]

My Kurumi has:

• Successive Ice Blast
• Backfire
• Outrage
• Quick Attack
• Stamina Strike (Ice-Wielding)
• Katana Sap

[ocean charm]

hmm

if ur ballsy take that sap out and put a desperation or a defuse aegis break

[silver mountain]

We were starting to crank out Nightscreams like it was Hard difficulty.

[steep mist]

lmao

every dodge procs stormstride

wdym

[silver mountain]

I was Viper in that run

[ocean charm]

isnt it time based

[silver mountain]

I think he meant hit

[ocean charm]

i dont really know i feel like its a hit based thing but it needs a buffer

[silver mountain]

Every dodge procs it, just has a 0.5 delay. I abused it in that Desert Tribulations Doom-Racing

[ocean charm]

ok i logged on just to see the actual text ok i see

its arguable

what do u think is better to have on matari stormstride sword or stormstride

[silver mountain]

Ice Fall's radius is like double. I guess that's why they made it hit weaker

Stormstride Sword for Yushan, but everything else Stormstride

[ocean charm]

man i wish there was a showdown training room

[silver mountain]

Yeah that would be nice. Would be easier to frame count the Showdown exclusive attacks

They said ice blast was supposed to deal primarily aegis damage, but it feels like it does more health damage than anything

[ocean charm]

im still not entirely sure about valdas ult jade

do u know how the process for aegis break works for it

[silver mountain]

Its the only thing that can buff Viper's Ultimate now is about it

[ocean charm]

wait so do we left click in ult to proc aegis break buff or something?

also kurumi's f link doesnt work on viper anymore?

[silver mountain]

It's the weaker lance, I can't remember what it was on m&k

[silver mountain]

Nope, damage bonuses & attack +% no longer scale Aegis damage

Which I guess does make the rate that bosses are downed more streamlined

[ocean charm]

so how do we proc aegis break for valdas ult?

im still not sure about that

[silver mountain]

You want to save any of your damage bonuses now for pretty much when the boss is downed.

It procs for 3 seconds when you throw a light lance

[ocean charm]

which is the left click right?

[silver mountain]

I think so

The one that lifts mobs up

It hits much weaker than the heavy lance.

[ocean charm]

do u think its worth to have valdas ult jade tho i personally dont think so

[silver mountain]

If we had more slots, maybe.

But right now, no.

[ocean charm]

sadge cuz my valdas jade has 40% rage

[silver mountain]

3 seconds is just enough time to get two heavy lances out, assuming you throw them frame perfectly. But majority of the time you'll only be able to land one in that time which is a major decrease in dps. But maybe with the changes to Aegis damage it could potentially be worth

To down bosses faster

I gotta farm a set of non-damage jades to test things out

[ocean charm]

i feel like thats too much work to get a profit out of it

my loadout for valda is, stormstride, desperation, ice blast, backfire, erudition, outrage

[silver mountain]

Might have to try her tbh. Her Ultimate charges slower than Viper's though so syncing them may be hard

[ocean charm]

what do u think about tarkas ult jade now after the update

[silver mountain]

I took it off right when I heard the changes lmao

Haven't even tried it

Matari's would've been really nice before this update

[ocean charm]

do u have matari's ult jade?

[silver mountain]

Yeah think I got it, but haven't had much opportunity to play Matari yet

It sounds like it works similarly to Tarka's. Just you'd have to maintain your Damage buff, which you'd be doing in her Ultimate anyway

[ocean charm]

i dont think thats how it works for matari

cuz u use up all ur rage once u hit V

unless they literally change matari's ult into a v3 tarka

once u get the jade

[silver mountain]

Backstab takes rage?

It says you'll gain rage after using it

[ocean charm]

when matari is invisible u cant gain any rage meter

until its done

i think her ult jade ignores that

i dont have that jade tho so im not sure

when tarka ults he at 50% rage meter iirc, then u have to do dmg to gain more rage as it quickly depletes

[silver mountain]

Yeah the ultimate enhance makes you gain rage back from attacking while under her flutter buff

The nerf to rage damage though makes it questionable

Might be part of why they nerfed it tbh.

[next echo]

my fastest run so far in Yushan normal. but this 2 player i am with randomly are the same people I see in racing ranking on all servers.

[ocean charm]

i see those guys too

theres a team of players who want to reach top 10 leaderboards on all servers

they almost made all their names cover all top 10 positions

[silver mountain]

Yeah Douya does mad damage some reason

[ocean charm]

if ur want mad damage

[silver mountain]

Wanted to die so I could spectate their jades

[ocean charm]

take off all ur life saving jades

[silver mountain]

Yeah ik

He was still doing like 20% more damage than me in Doom-Racing

[ocean charm]

i like never use saps anymore

[silver mountain]

I put Sap on for Yushan cause it makes chaining counters easier

[ocean charm]

for kurumis yes it does

for the other chars its manageable

[silver mountain]

It makes all counters come out quicker & hit a little harder

You can dash cancel as soon as it hits and you have some leeway to react to the follow up

For Valda, it's kinda a necessity or you don't want to go for counters at all.
Glad they made her Defuse good at least.

[ocean charm]

im a bit too aggressive i like never try to defuse

[silver mountain]

When I get to testing the numbers of everything, gonna have to calculate the aegis damage for every move since they made it static.

Tianhai's Defuse helps a lot with the first phase surprisingly

Same as Tarka's but the Defuse window comes up quicker it feels

Going to be fun trying to solo Yushan.

[ocean charm]

vy solo yushan with monk

vydjia or something like that from EU

[silver mountain]

Nightscream?

[ocean charm]

ye

[silver mountain]

Nice

[ocean charm]

he mentioned it on jxin stream in the chat section

[silver mountain]

Feels like the 1st phase has a few unavoidables tbh

[ocean charm]

those unavoidables is cuz of ping delays

[silver mountain]

She does like 3 attacks in rapid succession that track your movement

[ocean charm]

if ur teams ping is wack af ur delays r different too

oh ur talking about he vertical swings?

[silver mountain]

Yeah she has those and she has another combo with horizontal swings

[ocean charm]

for the vertical swing i tend to use a defuse to the left or right and use the movement to get behind her

[silver mountain]

It doesn't hit particularly hard, just if it freezes you, you're going to either lose out on an opening or take big damage from a follow up

Yeah maybe that's what I gotta do.

[ocean charm]

can add another dodge for good measure just incase

[silver mountain]

Gotta be manage your stamina really well first phase.

No idea why they made it so much crazier than the 2nd phase lol

[ocean charm]

u know u can crouch some of the horizontal attacks from her chain blades

its funny

[silver mountain]

Yeah that's the unfortunate thing of some defuses, like Kurumi's, it makes you roll back low.

Valda's keeps you high and doesn't send you back that far so it's nice

[ocean charm]

sometimes we think too much on using defuses or dodges

i use temmy's f skill to get high quickly

tho most of the time im just at the back shooting frost arrows

my monk has 100% weapon chest but sadly i dont have ice swarm im sad

[silver mountain]

It's just satisfying to pull off. I was a big fan of Defuse Aegis Break, but can't really pull it off consistently on this boss aside from with Tianhai

Do those Arrows hit hard?

[ocean charm]

i use it to quickly take off his armor

then when hes down i go in and melee

its not a good strat

cuz it does take longer to clear

[silver mountain]

I figured

[ocean charm]

unless all 3 of u have range build

the strat im doing is so i dont have to focus at all and just relax

[silver mountain]

Her 1st phase has crazy short openings for how long she attacks

[ocean charm]

thats why i want ice crossbow or ice swarm and just hold left click lol

for yushan u need to use bow or pistol if ur using a range build

cuz u need instant dmg not accumulative dmg

[silver mountain]

Venom Tip would be really good if it didn't have that 15 stack limit

[ocean charm]

o musket works too for yushan

[silver mountain]

But yeah also hard to consistently get headshots while they're up

Also have to time it so they're not attacking while you shoot

[ocean charm]

i find by the time u wind up a pistol or a bow

theres already a opening

just make sure ur aim is good

i also have fun when the omen that gives u those geysers and let u jump up high

i just stay on top of it and jump

and hold my bow

[silver mountain]

Pistol is a little weird cause it shoots a spread, so even if you hit a headshot, you won't benefit from the full damage most of the time.

Those geysers are so weird lol

[surreal steppe]

pistol is basically a shotgun

[ocean charm]

bruh its fun

have u ever seen a swarm jumping up and down

[silver mountain]

Frost Flowers should be over 1000 omen luck.
Same for Mushrooms, should be 2500 omen luck.

Haha

Swarm does make it kinda hard to see up close

Especially with the frost

[ocean charm]

for my range build my only goal is to be lazy

i still do more astral dmg than my teammates so i did my part

[silver mountain]

I tried the bounce shell jade, it's weird

[ocean charm]

u got frost cannon?

[silver mountain]

Yeah, haven't tried that yet though

[ocean charm]

its hard to find a enigma team

[surreal steppe]

mushroom should be 5000 luck

pure PTSD

[ocean charm]

iirc frost cannon changes the cannon ball's trajectory

it kinda floats and is slower

[silver mountain]

I don't think it should be higher than Hellhole, but yeah it should be higher than most others.

[surreal steppe]

watching my rando team slowly dying never been sadder

[ocean charm]

it goes father aswell

i wonder which future chars will get the flamebringer and blood ripper

[silver mountain]

Yeah i ran an Immovable to try out Bounce Shell. Didn't realize it got rid of most of the AoE

Blood Ripper will probably be a secondary weapon

Sounds like it'd be broken for anything with mobs tbh

[ocean charm]

what bounce shell doesnt reduce aoe

[silver mountain]

You have to get a direct hit and even when you do, it doesn't hit mobs as far out

[ocean charm]

o really

hmm

[silver mountain]

I thought it was going to bounce and explode lol

[ocean charm]

no its the same like in pvp

[silver mountain]

Yeah i ignore ranged Souljades for the most part in pvp

I just need an Ice-Wielding Quick Attack and Stormstride Sword, then I should have +6 Ice-Wielding on all my characters.

[ocean charm]

did u use ur ice potions

[silver mountain]

Yeah, on my Backfire and Outrage since they had decent rolls already

My Outrage could be improved, but my Backfire has 3.4% Attack & 1% Aegis

[ocean charm]

i kinda regret buying the legendary rune keys

i dont have a good team to make full use of it

i got 2 still

ended getting 1 dropped earliar

after the rage update what do u think is better to stack now rage per sec or rage dmg

[silver mountain]

I updated my tier list:

The order inside a tier isn't how I rank them, it's just how it sorted by type.

[ocean charm]

i got a rage/s and rage/dmg on dealer phantom with good stats

im sad af

i also got one on spear sap but i dont use saps at all lol

i hope they implement a system to transfer stats

[cosmic bough]

Finally got stamina strike ice wielding

[silver mountain]

I gotta do the numbers on Erudition vs regular Charged Verticals

I gotta lot of stuff I got to calculate. 😅

[red remnant]

I'm honestly super annoyed all the ice wielding jades I've picked up have awful secondary rolls. Any tips for farming better rolls yet?

[ocean charm]

erudition does so much dmg

i kill a elite mob in 2 strikes

[silver mountain]

It looks like the Enigma realm and Yushan Normal are the way to go to farm for rolls atm.

[ocean charm]

pray to rnguses

[red remnant]

Alright cool, will keep that in mind. Thanks!

[silver mountain]

Yeah it does, I also got to test Erudition vs Erudition (Ice-Wielding)

[ocean charm]

enigma is only good if u got a good team tho

[cosmic bough]

Re roll and pray

[silver mountain]

Definitely recommend pre-mades for Enigma Domain. Also recommend you only go in after you're 380 Sense.

[red remnant]

Lmao yeah I don't have a team at all so I'm not running enigma rn. Tried it once just to get a feel for what was going on and still failed super hard... no idea how to play it

[silver mountain]

Going to make a guide on it eventually once we get our strat down

[red remnant]

Looking forward to it! Love all the work you keep putting into showdown stuff fr.

[rapid gorge]

Douya: heard someone wants to see my jades

[ocean charm]

r all ur rolls attack%

[silver mountain]

But basically :

Everything you kill gives a % increase to the enhance bar. 

Bosses: 25%
Hammer Ents & Warlocks: 10%
Axe Ents: 3%
Archers & Spirits: 1%
Clearing Strongholds: 1%

Best to ignore Archers, Spirits you can have Kurumi (or Viper) take out.

[red remnant]

Oh neat. We failed because we didn't kill a boss in time (we didn't even realize it was there til the timer was down to like 1 min). Is that pretty much how it goes? Kill adds til a boss shows up, kill the boss before timer is up, go back to killing adds, repeat?

[silver mountain]

What was your Attack % pre-Yushan?

[rapid gorge]

mine or douya's?

[silver mountain]

Douya's

[rapid gorge]

basically like that one shows in the pics, didn't do much jade change in the new version

[ocean charm]

2 guys focus boss, while 1 guy runs around kill the elite mobs(hammer/mages)

[silver mountain]

I was at like 28%, but was still getting out damaged. Granted they were Viper and I was Kurumi

[red remnant]

Ok right so I just wanted to make sure all of the bosses do have to get defeated before the timer is up ^^ because I read some stuff while lurking the other day that made me unsure. Appreciate y'all's help and info!

[silver mountain]

Ah i see, they have crazy high Charged Attack as well wtf

[silver mountain]

You don't have to, but ideally you want to be killing the boss by the time the enhance bar reaches 75%

If you're lucky, you'll get a boss to spawn in the same spot right after you kill one

Just need my group's Viper to get their Blue Moon build online and we should be able to full clear cause we're reaching the final boss with 1 minute left.

[ocean charm]

ur using kurumi in ur enigma run right

[silver mountain]

I have a strong suspicion that final boss will drop some really good stuff.

[ocean charm]

i think using matari can kill the boss faster

[silver mountain]

True, just higher risk

[ocean charm]

higher risk higher reward thats how u get high racing times

[silver mountain]

Fair. I mean I was doing the most damage in my group though

[ocean charm]

as a kurumi? LOL

she has like the lowest attack bonus doesnt she

[silver mountain]

Stamina Strike build is really good.

Mine is at like 20-22% right now iirc

[ocean charm]

assassins lunge + f skill buff will do more

well i guess one of ur guys is running around killing mobs right

so his dmg will naturally be lower

[silver mountain]

Yeah our Tarka

Viper + Kurumi handle bosses with little issue.

[ocean charm]

sounds too safe

[silver mountain]

It does start getting difficult at enhance 7.

[ocean charm]

viper, matari, monk

[silver mountain]

Enhance 8, the boss does a full armor bar per attack lol