New Angular announcement

[eager hazel]

The Angular team have shared a tweet announcing a special event on November 6th! Any guesses what this is about, let us know in this thread!

https://vxtwitter.com/angular/status/1716488906013659392

October 30th, teaser video: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1166053451478880357/1168592988570648596/ssstwitter.com_1698683541250.mp4?ex=65525407&is=653fdf07&hm=0f05b299df2df9c8b446f80ee16af1b5edb14fb5ffcc89196645624b37a95d5f&

[solar herald]

Angular 17

[eager hazel]

Could be, as that week fits with the release timeline.... but I don't think they ever released on a monday 🤔

[fickle crest]

Angular 18 was my first thought haha

[eager hazel]

If they start announcing new versions 6 months in advance...maybe 😅

[fickle crest]

But thinking a little bit more "Say hello {{again}} to angular" looks interesting

Maybe they used {{again}} to add more impact to the text, but, if again (variable) is just "again", you can do just "Say hello again to angular"

So, maybe that is a clue about the new template sintax

[eager hazel]

@if (victor.isCorrect) {
  🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
} @else {
  <p>Try again!</p>
}

[blissful orchid]

The missing Angular 3 😅

[eager hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/ppf-lol-omg-gif-21502676

[still sentinel]

I don't feel excited 😛 please prove me wrong. I've already started refactoring everything to Qwik after Universal has been abandonware for 6 or so years. Even today the non-destructive stuff is still unusable cause of Material. So I know whatever is announced will come with quite a few caveats

even if something is announced, it'll probably not be available for 2 majors (1 year). I don't wanna sound like a negative nancy 😛

[scenic swallow]

That’s my birthday!!!

[sly pebble]

congrats! probably they will mention you at the event 🎂

[desert ember]

Expect something that will be available 🙃

[clear coyote]

How the heck y'all sneak something in to open source code for a year and nobody notices 🤔

Unless....... this is not open source

https://tenor.com/view/rpx_syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

[fickle crest]

New schematics powered by AI

ng new app shoeStore --standalone --aiGen --aiGenDesc "Create an angular app for my company. We sell shoes, and want login, register, and the basic crud you now, please use rxjs with patterns and clean code"

[clear coyote]

ng ai --proompt "Convert to Tailwind and use application builder. Also, you left a console log in login.component.ts"

[raven dove]

I feel it's about a reorientation to utilising Angular due to the many recent changes/improvements. They want to clearly communicate as it seems like an entirely new framework.

[fickle crest]

Can we make requests before the event? @eager hazel haha (sorry for the ping)
There too many good sites to get resources about angular latests updates and how to implement the features, but i think a good collections of videos or any kind of tutorials from the angular team itself can be very helpful

[eager hazel]

I'm pretty sure the Angular team will release resources (blogs, videos) after the release about new features. They did so for the last couple of releases. And maybe we might have 'something' as well 🤫

[fickle crest]

"something" Oh My God

[eager hazel]

crap, now I have to think of 'something' 😅

[placid robin]

Excited about angular 17, not so excited about actually upgrading, since you know.....dependencies 😅

[fickle crest]

Psssst new emojis for the server 👀 🤫

[eager hazel]

We already have and emojis (2 dutch snacks), what more do you need?

[fickle crest]

hahaha

[clear coyote]

I am not excited that right out the gate browser-esbuild is deprecated in favor of the application builder. Can I stick to a SPA for just a little bit before having to dive all in to SSR? 😮‍💨

Also, having a separate server.config.ts and express entrypoint feels very much like an afterthought to me, not very cohesive. I like that Remix hides all of this by default unless you specifically need to expose it.
https://remix.run/docs/en/main/start/quickstart#controlling-server-and-browser-entries

[eager hazel]

Why would you have to use SSR? Application builder will still use esbuild to target the browser and SPA's aren't going away

[clear coyote]

application builder != SSR?

I thought as soon as you changed to application builder you had to start using the express hydration and jazz

[eager hazel]

nope, application builder will be able to build for browser and server targets

[clear coyote]

Interesting

Well that's good to know, thanks

[eager hazel]

I saw a conversation on the cli repo a while back about application builder, trying to find it

[clear coyote]

Yeah if you could that'd be great. I coulda swore as soon as I enabled it in the past it started asking for server entrypoint and stuff

But without docs it could have totally just been user error

[desert ember]

SSR/prerendering is still pretty much an option on the new builder

ssr: true to enable ssr.

it's not true by default

Talked a bit about it here : https://riegler.fr/blog/2023-10-13-v17-builders

[clear coyote]

Ahhhhh

Wow, good article @desert ember. Yup, you guys are totally right. Changing "main" to "browser" worked like a charm. User error.

[eager hazel]

@desert ember is it correct that the current browser-esbuild is already a wrapper for application builder (e.g. uses application builder under the hood)

[desert ember]

Yes it's a compatibility wrapper to ease the transition

[clear coyote]

I'm very relieved. Might actually get a good night's sleep tonight 😅 thank you both

[desert ember]

config is closer to the webpack builder but its esbuild under the hood

[eager hazel]

Ok, that was the conversation I reada while back in the cli repo...but can't find it anymore lol

[desert ember]

Happy to help 🙂

[steel stratus]

Angular 17 is gеnеrating a lot of buzz in thе dеvеlopmеnt community and I'm pеrsonally еxcitеd to sее how it continuеs to strеamlinе thе wеb dеvеlopmеnt procеss and еnhancе pеrformancе. Thе previous vеrsions havе comе with imprеssivе fеaturеs, and I'm hoping Angular 17 takеs it еvеn furthеr.

[peak narwhal]

😓 will hmr be a thing... i hope so

[frosty wharf]

It's on the roadmap!

https://next.angular.io/guide/roadmap#improved-hot-module-replacement-support-hmr

[frosty wharf]

So excited for the announcement. Btw, if you want a hint: ||did you really think I was gonna spoil? ❤️|| (but shhhhh you didn't hear it from me)

[eager hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/boring-unimpressed-meh-really-seriously-gif-16279809

[fickle crest]

Did you find the "something"?

🤣

[fickle crest]

A friend said this to me: Angular Native was going to be the surprise

a way to create mobile app for ios and android using angular

hahaha

[kind glade]

In fact open source does not have to be public...yet

[fickle crest]

Imagine going to github and find this

🤣

[eager hazel]

If I was anyone else, i'd be worried if that name showed up there 😬 🤣

[hexed vector]

Angular 3! (Not the version but as the name)

Or Maybe Angular Definitive Edition 😄

[kind glade]

Angular Next, with sql pipe:

<app-cats [cats]="'SELECT * FROM cats' | sql"></app-cats>

[fickle crest]

We need more hints, We need a Hero.... a leaker haha

[eager hazel]

So, how much are you willing to pay... 🤫

[fickle crest]

How much do you want? 😎

hahahaha

[eager hazel]

Oh, I wasn't talking about myself. If i say anything, Emma will track me down 😅

[fickle crest]

hahaha

Currently the video has 21k views, 10k are me watching a 0.25x speed finding some clue hahaha

I found the hint!!!!

Angular team will release a sound track LOFI Electro Beat for angular developers hahaha

[eager hazel]

You know about those Beatles songs that if you play them in reverse they contain a message?

[fickle crest]

Reverse hahaha

[eager hazel]

I already said too much...

[kind glade]

So the secret lies in AngularJS source code ?

[eager hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-zip-it-the-office-gif-11853129

[fickle crest]

Stay tuned

Denut Yats

[kind glade]

Ralugna

[fickle crest]

Maybe that is latin

🤣

[kind glade]

Studied it for 7 years, I just need to find a DeLorean for a first real conversation.

[fickle crest]

😱

Using some video editor, decrypt tools and chatgpt 4.5 i found this.... the special event will be on november 6 😱

[clear coyote]

Renaissance, eh? Angular is moving to modern practices? This can only mean one thing

[eager hazel]

You're already surrounded by Rust code, you just didn't realize...

Our bot... I'm talking about our bot @mighty thunder (written in Rust BTW 🤣 )

Before people start asking why...

I'm so cheap, that instead of just paying for hosting for the nodejs bot, I'm now rewriting the bot in Rust because I found a free hosting solution for Rust apps

[clear coyote]

Had to do it to em
https://twitter.com/kyjus25/status/1719053865981538661

The funny thing is it could actually be done.... It would just wind up as 'SELECT * FROM cats' | sql | async. Let's not make this a thing.

[fickle crest]

sql can be a pipe that make a http request right?

[clear coyote]

It could return an HTTP request, I think you'd need the async pipe as well to resolve it

Ope, there goes the channel icon

[fickle crest]

LOL

new angular icon XD

[eager hazel]

@formal berry spilled coffee over his keyboard while he was on the server admin page. Give it a week, it will sort itself out

[kind glade]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-oh-yeah-smile-gif-18043435

The Sphinx just bought Angular

[eager hazel]

Or the Riddler in the rest of the world 🤣

[fickle crest]

🤣

Imagine people joining the Discord and seeing the icon; they'll feel like they've joined the wrong place and leave, haha.

This happened to me on April Fools' Day when they changed everything on the pygame (Python framework) server to Unity, and I was thinking, 'When did I join Unity?' Literally, all the channels were talking about Unity, haha.

[eager hazel]

We once had the successor of for april fools: good times

[kind glade]

i think we just spoiled the new interpolation syntax:

<p>??title??</p>

With inner i18n for Spanish people:

<p>¿¿title??</p>

[clear coyote]

Angular Server Components

“ASC”

@Component({
  ...
  server: true
})

[formal berry]

Sorry. Really busy right now. I’ll fix it in a week

[clear coyote]

Heck, maybe it IS a rebrand to get away from the AngularJS stigma. Is it a question mark because it's no longer an "A"? 🤔

[formal berry]

Qangular

[kind glade]

That's the best solution to get rid of those AngularJS 16 blog posts

[clear coyote]

Bangular please 🙏

[eager hazel]

[desert ember]

https://twitter.com/Jean__Meche/status/1719074462698443009 lmao

[eager hazel]

Never forget: #off-topic message

For people curious about , see: #announcements message

[clear coyote]

Replaced @Directive with @Plea

ok 😂

[kind glade]

@fickle crest if you reverse play the teaser, you'll hear Minko whispering to you, or Boney M.

[eager hazel]

Most likely Boney M

[mild rampart]

React is merging with Angular?

[eager hazel]

I'm surprised no one mentioned Naxt yet...

[mild rampart]

NaxtJS

[kind glade]

https://tenor.com/view/trunks-fusion-goten-dbz-gif-19798417

[desert ember]

@calm sundial just registred https://ngxt.io/

[eager hazel]

I'll need a couple of drinks before I attempt to pronounce that domain

[desert ember]

🤦‍♂️

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-20411229

[fickle crest]

enyiexti that aio hahaha

[clear coyote]

Seeing a lot more hype over Angular than I am for the Apple event right now 👀

[eager hazel]

Bot 1, Matthieu 0

but it was funny lol

[desert ember]

How do they say in the UK if some swears on tv ?

[eager hazel]

PG-rating?

[formal berry]

Omg. The CORS thing. How could I forget lol

[eager hazel]

hehe

[desert ember]

Missing the ref here. What's the context ? 😁

[eager hazel]

At that time, we had a lot of questions about CORS (and even some people claiming that it was an Angular issue and that React didn't have CORS problems). So when Steve did the April Fools Bangular thing, it was an easy joke to make.

Best thing about bangular is that it supports CORS out of the box. What a time to be alive

[fickle crest]

hahaha

[onyx mantle]

I think whatever it is will also make the logo blue. that's my wild speculation from the teaser video.

[desert ember]

If you pause on the right frame

You might be onto something 👀👀

[kind glade]

It unlocks so many possible features

[desert ember]

It's like twitter blue

Angular with subscribtion maybe

Oh wait you can already subscribe.

... an observable 🤣

[clear coyote]

But red things go faster

And also makes you hungry

[desert ember]

You didn't watch F1 recently

https://tenor.com/view/antioche-atraoy-sadsadleclerc-gif-18165117

[clear coyote]

OMG

THE QUESTION MARK IS PURPLE

Red and blue, maybe you’re on to somethin 🤔

[strong flicker]

i saw a sneak peak a few weeks ago on linkedin, but that's probably public knowledge by now, which make me believe they have something else up their sleeves 👀

[fickle crest]

"You will never see Angular the same way"

omg

[clear coyote]

AngularJS was initially released almost exactly 13 years ago on October 20 2010. And now folks, we may witness a rebirth ⭐️

[robust sandal]

Yes it's on wednesday as usual.

[vast dock]

They're about to join forces with React and call it Reangular

[hoary meteor]

Functional components in angular maybe?

[sly pebble]

Say hello {{again}} to Angular
It's gonna be AngularJS 2.0, back from the dead

[fickle crest]

something like this hahaha

[sly pebble]

yes! this is what my leakers have confirmed

[keen prism]

My guess 🤔 ? They are going to annonce Angular Light, which is basically a version of Angular that only accepts standalone + signal components. It automatically removes zonejs from the bundle.

[kind glade]

you mean Angular Lite ^^

[keen prism]

Yes 😁. I'm not a native English speaker and I thought of Coca-Cola Light ^^.

[hollow escarp]

@white galleon

[formal berry]

Diet Coke ><

[clear coyote]

Ah yes, Dangular, the Diet Angular

[frigid junco]

react merger?

[clear coyote]

Partnering with Vercel

[formal berry]

I would assume React would have the same hype if that was the case...

[frigid junco]

oh sorry

vue merger?

[formal berry]

Same deal

[clear coyote]

Svelte merger?

say it

say it

SaY ITtttt

[formal berry]

https://tenor.com/bfta1.gif

[kind glade]

Let's make a cocktail out of it

[clear coyote]

That's called Astro

[eager hazel]

Anyone know a good resource to refresh my Ruby on Rails knowledge? 😬

[clear coyote]

Come up with a pet project and FULL SEND ✈️

https://tenor.com/view/nike-just-do-it-gif-26636514

Also ChatGPT

[eager hazel]

It's needed to answer all the questions here after the announcement, so no need for me to build anything.

[rotund idol]

These kinds of announcements cause me so much anxiety.

I like the Renaissance, but it sounds like breaking changes.

[clear coyote]

Angular is very careful about backwards compatibility, even if it means temporarily being less opinionated on a single way to do things. The rest they provide migration schematics for.

I can't imagine they will do much without an RFC for any programmatic changes, I think this is something.... bigger.

Just gotta make it thru till Monday 😮‍💨

[mild rampart]

I think just a rebranding. New name, new website, better docs.

[kind glade]

That's a lot of seconds ⏲️

[clear coyote]

Try milliseconds, they go faster

[clear coyote]

I'm banking on a rebrand also. Better docs would be neat, would love a dirt-simple "getting started" tutorial like the other frameworks. The Tour of Heroes is ok, but I mean something with big red (blue?) buttons that say:

"CLICK HERE TO LEARN HOW TO PASS PROPS"
"CLICK HERE TO LEARN HOW TO INTERPOLATE IN THE TEMPLATE"
"CLICK HERE TO LEARN HOW TO USE TRANSFERSTATE"

[mild rampart]

Exactly. Tour of heroes is OK. You said it right, a lot could be improved

Another idea. Merge with ngrx, analogjs

[clear coyote]

Would be the key to more adoptability I feel like. The best (only, in some cases) examples come from third parties.

[clear coyote]

I've thought that for a while. At some point Angular is going to need endpoints and file based routing. @calm sundial's your guy.

Which means Nitro, which means no more Express. Which to make it backwards compatible probably means a plugin system which I think has already been discussed by exposing some esbuild

[kind glade]

There is already an issue open about getting away from Express to be more modular for SSR.

[eager hazel]

There is a simple tutorial that many people seem to overlook: https://angular.io/start

[clear coyote]

Fastify, NestJS, Nitro, take your pick, lots of better ones than Express these days

[kind glade]

There was some project for Universal + Nest from its creator but unsure it's still maintained

[eager hazel]

https://github.com/nestjs/ng-universal

[calm sundial]

Say what now 👀

[eager hazel]

You've just been promoted to engineering manager for Angular

[clear coyote]

Maybe, but it's just so big picture. "Managing data" is very vague. I can't even search for things like "passing props" without getting irrelevant results in the search. Get some Algolia in here

[calm sundial]

I think Simona is already doing a great job there 😁

[eager hazel]

get that react 'props' lingo out of my discord... /jk

[clear coyote]

Ah, "binding". My mistake, I found it 🥲

[kind glade]

props has never been used by Angular

[clear coyote]

You want adoptability you gotta use the lingo

[kind glade]

I agree, always talking about props during workshops/talks so it makes sense for people from different backgrounds

[clear coyote]

Even more complicated, Web Components / HTML itself calls them "attributes".

https://tenor.com/view/so-pissed-im-work-mad-gif-23416426

[clear coyote]

#wenNestUseStandaloneComponents? 👀

What is this "FOR ROOT" nonsense

[mild rampart]

As long as I can do my work, create great apps without too much hassle, I’m happy.

[little folio]

That's what I'm thinking, most probably new logo.

[clear coyote]

Seems like big hype for only the logo. What's wrong with the current one?

[kind glade]

It does not work anymore with Bangular

[little folio]

True, but I have no idea what else it could be. Current is too similar to the AngularJS one

[clear coyote]

Rebranding to AngularTS

😶

[mild rampart]

Nah

[desert ember]

True, some people still call angular "angularJS"

Haven't wrote JS in years

[little folio]

I once kept fixing tags on StackOverflow, but kind of gave up on that

[clear coyote]

And most of them are talent managers who put it on job descriptions 😅

[cursive gulch]

Can you please share the free hosting solution for rust apps

[eager hazel]

Yes, keep in mind the free tier has limits: https://www.shuttle.rs/

[clear coyote]

Now about that tutorial comment…. 👀

[cursive gulch]

I appreciate it!

[fickle crest]

Angular will implement an interactive learning platform like freecodecamp

Something funny would be that all people have speculated so many new features, and in the end, it's just a logo change hahaha

[eager hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-brad-pitt-could-be-undecided-trendizisst-gif-26463873

[kind glade]

https://tenor.com/view/potc-pirates-of-the-caribbean-jack-sparrow-johnny-depp-run-gif-6051916

It would end like this

[desert ember]

We're already spoiled by v17

https://github.com/angular/angular/pull/52302

Local CD just landed (almost out of nowhere)

[eager hazel]

If this is the case, I at least had fun giving totally unrelated hints 🤣

[fickle crest]

hahahaha

[cursive gulch]

I would love for it to be functional components. But I think it might be something cooler than that.

[fickle crest]

why is that link asking me my credit card?

hahaha

do i need to pay to get the secrets of angular v18?

[desert ember]

You can sponsor me but I don't know much yet about v18

still looking for a new feature to work on 😁

lol

[fickle crest]

🤣

[eager hazel]

v18: Angular as a Service - pay per component

[desert ember]

Aaas ?

I like Angular Server Side

[eager hazel]

yes, pronounced ass

[desert ember]

if you ask me

[fickle crest]

ass with ads

[eager hazel]

Now I probably have to add ass to the bot's word filter...

[fickle crest]

🤣

[desert ember]

ASS

Bot is cool

thx

[eager hazel]

bot's only cool because I didn't add it... too much risk of false positives

but i can ban manually...

[desert ember]

^^

[eager hazel]

😉

[kind glade]

I know there is already an internal discussion but Angular Material Directives as Standalones for Composition API is on my top list 😄

[desert ember]

I'm so very active on the component side

I've like 3 merged PR ^^

[fickle crest]

Will the surprise have CORS?

[desert ember]

OF CORS

[fickle crest]

hahaha

[little folio]

Slightly offtopic, but thanks for the blog posts @desert ember

[desert ember]

You're welcome 🙂

[sly pebble]

but that't the point. Many people overlook it because is kinda hidden. a big "getting started" button on the homepage would help

[jade crescent]

Is $scope getting a comeback?

[eager hazel]

Yeah that's fair. Might be worth creating a PR for it to make it more visible... I'll give it some thought.

[eager hazel]

I need some time to $digest this idea of a $scope revival 😬

[clear coyote]

Indeed
https://fxtwitter.com/synalx/status/1719541839685095497

[jade crescent]

nicec

[fickle crest]

Another day

Is time to theory crafting

@eager hazel Angular will release a NFT

[fickle crest]

When i started learning angular it was angular js (2017) and i remember seeing the $scope and the for loop (something like that) and quit learning angular hahaha

[eager hazel]

NFT's are dead, aren't they? It's a renaissance, not necromancy 😬

[jade crescent]

wonder if it's this "The Angular renaissance"

[eager hazel]

Wouldn't be much of a surprise, there have been multiple tweets about it already.

[mild rampart]

Well. It does say renaissance…. It definitely has something to do with it

[eager hazel]

The term renaissance has been used for a while already to describe Angular's development momentum <#1130258007943553117 message>... but who knows 🤷‍♂️

[mild rampart]

Reminds me of how Vue had this doc about how it all started and how it was going …

[eager hazel]

Yeah, i think it will be something similar (React also had a documentary)

[fickle crest]

https://twitter.com/angular/status/1719754386593726505

this must be huge

i don't think angular ping most frameworks just to change logo color XD

[fickle crest]

@eager hazel where is jQuery? 😠

🤣

[eager hazel]

JQuery missing from that image is the hint for today

[fickle crest]

Oh My God

🤓

Ohhhh instead of @View('#something') you will be able to $('#something')

Imagine the posibilities...

$('#something').on('change', (e) => {
//here you can listen to change inside your component class
  state = newState
})

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-meme-wait-a-minute-gif-14484132

[clear coyote]

No Astro, no Qwik, no Fresh

Wait..... why is Angular.JS and Vue the same person?

[little folio]

I wonder if this event is mostly for all who have been away from Angular, or never used it. So maybe one new thing we don't know about, and the rest will be about what we already know, such as signals, control flow, ...?

[clear coyote]

No doubt that's half of it, though I think signals already made their rounds thru social media influencers

[clear coyote]

Uh guys maybe it has something to do with Svelte

[clear coyote]

They were working on this for a year, maybe Svelte’s runes were a side-effect of Angular’s signals / collaboration 🤔

[mild rampart]

Merging Angular with Qwik would be AMAZING

[eager hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/lasagna-garfield-pasta-yummy-delicious-gif-17886507

[light wigeon]

Plot twist: this is just a way for the Angular team to gather ideas about Angular users' wildest dreams

[glass salmon]

Please no breaking changes

[desert ember]

Nothing too breaky in v17 AFAIK

[clear coyote]

WHAT ARE THEY COOKINGGGGG 😫

[formal berry]

https://tenor.com/bgsIr.gif

[clear coyote]

And what are the odds that Svelte comes out with "Runes" while Angular talks about "Renaissance". Both medieval period buzz words.

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[formal berry]

https://tenor.com/bglqR.gif

[fickle crest]

@eager hazel Angular created a trend "stay tunned" trend haha

https://twitter.com/discord/status/1720144352431706286

The owner of the Angular account should comment there hahaha

[eager hazel]

Yes, the auto ban functionality for accounts starting with a V is about to land \o/

[formal berry]

@gilded aspen

[fickle crest]

Thanks God my account doesnt start with V XD

[formal berry]

Let's fix that.

[eager hazel]

that's only your display name... good try though 🤣

[fickle crest]

Well before get ban, i will leak something .....

[formal berry]

You should see a doctor for that, not tell the world.

[eager hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/mop-mopping-cleaning-ocean-beach-gif-17817458

[fickle crest]

hahaha

[formal berry]

oh yeah, I updated discord to see if they fixed the console window bug

time to see if I crash + get signed out

Yep lol

[formal berry]

🤔

unlimited super reactions?

[eager hazel]

Free nitro for everyone to stick it to those scammers!

[formal berry]

lol

oh hey you can steal emojis now lol

hmm

you lie

[clear coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/yous-trolling-boxxy-boxxybabee-gif-7290900

[brittle umbra]

Does somebody else prefer the Svelte way syntax rather than the one they have chosen?

[little folio]

I have no preference, at least for me @ is way faster to type (non eng keyboard)

[fickle crest]

@eager hazel https://twitter.com/gerardsans/status/1720084480361365840

Where is the box for this channel? hahaha

[formal berry]

🙂

[fickle crest]

😮

Did you buy a bird? hahaha @formal berry

A "canary"

[fickle crest]

hahahah AI joke

[clear coyote]

Ah, X’s Angular cousin - “A”

[cursive gulch]

Is Angular turning into a FullStack Astro type of deal? Idk could be cool.

[eager hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-empty-box-gif-13080343

[mossy pollen]

Renderer for all mentioned frameworks? You could use React components inside angular template, etc. ? 🤔 Something that Microsoft tried to implement and gave up.

[mortal zodiac]

I just hope it is not: "Angular 17 drops typescript" turbo 8 style announcement 😂

[desert ember]

It's called webcomponents and its meh in terms of DX.

[little folio]

I have a project where I would like to wrap Angular app as WebComponent. Not worth it? To integrate into Wordpress 😦

[clear coyote]

Using https://angular.io/guide/elements ?

[desert ember]

It definitly works !

But the DX is inferior to framwork only apps.

[little folio]

I know it works, but is it worth it? Had trouble with CDK overlay

(only did a prototype so far)

[clear coyote]

I feel like you're better off building a SSR app and call Wordpress' JSON API as opposed to trying to fuddle with Angular web components in PHP.

You're gonna be loading a whole bunch of extra JS you don't need otherwise

Wordpress as a "BaaS" approach

[little folio]

Sort of trying to avoid SSR, but I get what you're saying

[clear coyote]

Something like Astro with the Analog plugin might be better suited if you're trying to avoid SSR then. But yeah as you're probably aware you'll need server rendered for any good SEO which I imagine is a requirement if you're using Wordpress at all.

Using the PHP rendering out of Wordpress is a good idea in order to keep it all as 1 project and make it shippable as a Wordpress template, but i've been bit before by it. I think Wordpress' SDK is React if I remember correctly

[little folio]

SEO actually doesn't matter - it's just a (filterable) list with details page.
Slightly off topic for this tread?

[clear coyote]

Possibly, but I think we've sufficiently exhausted all possibilities for what we think the announcement will be. Only time will tell.

[formal berry]

Have you?

[mild rampart]

Ok hint please

[formal berry]

https://tenor.com/kGqv50s4Df4.gif

Hint: jQuery is missing from the teaser image. 🤔

[clear coyote]

jQuery wasn’t invited

jQuery isn’t part of the family

[formal berry]

https://tenor.com/bg32m.gif

I fondly remember AngularJS dependencies.

[clear coyote]

jQuery isn’t an ESM framework

[mild rampart]

More interesting Qwik is missing. Best candidate for a merge. Qwik is amazing

[clear coyote]

Neither is Astro

And I still don’t get why Angular.js and Vue are the same bro

[formal berry]

https://docs.angularjs.org/api/ng/function/angular.element
🤔

[fickle crest]

👀

[clear coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/computer-stick-man-table-flip-look-at-you-9gag-gif-26257332

[fickle crest]

I just discover that medium clap is not a like instead you can send a lot of claps hahaha

+10 claps to a post XD

[mortal zodiac]

Signal based overhaul to reactive forms?

[frosty wharf]

Lots of people do - about 1/3 of the community, based on our polling

[frosty wharf]

Signal based reactive forms?

[frosty wharf]

i think it's a joke that the original Vue looked a lot like Angular.JS

[robust sandal]

Can we expect this?

[mortal zodiac]

I certainly wish for reactive forms to be signal based but no less important is disconnection of CVA from the component

[frosty wharf]

What does "disconnection of CVA from the component" mean?

[mortal zodiac]

Currently once using CVA with internal validations you must render the component for the validation to take place. In regular reactive forms you can remove the html while retaining the form model (validation, state) but with CVA this isn't possible. For example a CVA for date range which has inherent range validation

[frosty wharf]

Hmm, interesting. Naively I would say "CVAs shouldn't ever be doing validation". But they do need to solve a related problem: how to map invalid values onto a particular UI control.

If you have a date range control and you set the starting date to "purple", then yes, the form is in an invalid state and we should show an error, but also, what should the range show if it can't represent "purple" as its current state?

[mortal zodiac]

Hmmm I am not sure purple is a good example. My form is split into tabs which o don't wish to render all (10 tabs with big forms inside). So let's say the user change from to be larger than to which is invalid but state wise doable. Then he moved to another tab and reset the form. The form stays invalid. There are many places which the value is invalid but state wise possible (max number for example) and an error is shown under the form control

If CVA should never have validation how would you create reusable form parts? All the known ways usually have the same "can't remove" problem because the form gets connected on component creation

[little folio]

Rust community was like 50/50 split on await syntax with a lot of complaints, but somehow most are happy with final implementation

[mortal zodiac]

Another option is announcing a way to type narrow signals used in @if for further usage inside the @if (for example when doing unionSignal().type === 'test')

[desert ember]

This is basically this issue : https://github.com/angular/angular/issues/49161

[mortal zodiac]

@desert ember let me have hope it will be solved soon

[desert ember]

That'd be great yeah

[clear coyote]

Well this weekend sucks. I just want it to be Monday 😅 gosh dang it

Y u do dis

[little folio]

What time is the event at?

[desert ember]

19 CET

That's 13ET, 10PT

[clear coyote]

You Europeans and your 24 hour times

Says it starts at noon for me, 18 CET

Ope wait, that’s CDT

I’m strugglin

6PM CET

Which is…. 18

That was stressful

[desert ember]

Nah 19h

[clear coyote]

😵‍💫

[desert ember]

DST ends tomorrow in the US

[clear coyote]

Ooooh, touché

Ok. You right.

[mild rampart]

You know it’s almost the whole world thats on 24h scheme, right? 🤐

[clear coyote]

Yeah, yeah 😩 don’t worry, i don’t blame you for being wrong 😉

[mild rampart]

Or should we start talking about the metric system 😘

[clear coyote]

Ok though, metric makes WAYYYY more sense than imperial. I’ll admit we’re in the wrong there.

Catch y’all Monday in the YouTube chat 👋

Be there or be 🟥

[little folio]

I just had to make sure, so the plumber doesn't come when stream starts 🤭

[clear coyote]

They can watch too 👌

[fickle crest]

only 3 days more....

[frosty wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/hhgf-gif-25031041

[fickle crest]

Perfect, an Angular team member hahaha

Please @frosty wharf don't make Angular similar to React hahaha

i read too much comments everywhere about making Angular looks like React

🤣

[formal berry]

Alex isn’t a GDE 🤣

I mean, he could be… if he wasn’t on the Angular team

[fickle crest]

oh yes you are right

even i remember "red color, angular team" hahaha

but write GDE

[formal berry]

GDEs are yellow 🙂

[frosty wharf]

Yeah, I'm not eligible for the GDE program sadly

[fickle crest]

Too much power?

I mean, you have too much power haha

[formal berry]

I wish I was cool enough to be a GDE

Heck I just wish I was cool enough to be @eager hazel

[fickle crest]

I wanted to be a GDE too, but creating theories about angular 18 not counts

[eager hazel]

just????

[formal berry]

Yeah. You’re like… super cool.

[eager hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-good-save-kenny-sebastian-nice-save-great-save-gif-24002838

[formal berry]

^ this is what our DMs look like, if anyone’s curious

[eager hazel]

it's a bit more:

https://tenor.com/view/hey-baby-boo-daffy-duck-gif-21169783

[frosty wharf]

oooh, let's hear your theories!

[fickle crest]

https://tenor.com/view/oogway-my-time-has-come-gif-8019684

Well if you put the stay tunned video on reverse at 0.00005x speed you can see .... hahaha

Well i just saw:

Angular lightblue logo (what is light and blue? lightblue haha) (no idea about this)
Angular green logo moving to left back and forward (animations?)
Angular red logo shaking (faster build, tree shaking?)
Angular black logo (material?)

{{ again }} new template sintax maybe

[frosty wharf]

Oooh, these are fun theories

(what is light and blue? lightblue haha) (no idea about this)
TypeScript logo? Webpack logo?

[fickle crest]

Oooh a new typescript superset called Angularscript

Can be webpack you are right

Now that i think... why red mixed with purple? @frosty wharf haha that is curious

I don't it will be Angular + Rxjs xd haha

[frosty wharf]

The React logo is also light blue....

[fickle crest]

Victor Alvarado left the group

[frosty wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/mindblown-explosion-shook-shock-explode-gif-7721542

[fickle crest]

Victor Alvarado join the group

hahaha

Flutter.... is light blue

Angular native confirmed

[clear coyote]

ngpack ⚡️

[fickle crest]

👀

[frosty wharf]

Hehehehe

ngrsc, the Rust Angular compiler

which definitely doesn't exist

[fickle crest]

Maybe the purple is... web assembly

[clear coyote]

Mhm, cause it’s Zig 😁

ngzsc confirmed

[fickle crest]

If you just create that for make a joke was insanely fast haha

The sad thing about the special event is that we need to find a Time machine to watch it....

😫

[frosty wharf]

I'm fast at making joke screenshots

[fickle crest]

🤣

[fickle crest]

Is that a clue? "fast" "making"

new compiler confimed

[clear coyote]

They’re moving to JSDoc, there is no compiler 🫢

[frosty wharf]

It's amazing how quickly ChatGPT can come up with realistic code examples

[fickle crest]

🤣

[frosty wharf]

LOL

[formal berry]

[formal berry]

Where's the red?

[fickle crest]

Is mixed with the lightblue

[clear coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-meme-gif-11365195

[eager hazel]

That looks nothing like a question mark 🤔

[fickle crest]

Oh sheet here we are again new theory hahahah

[clear coyote]

Fixed

[eager hazel]

You know that creating took months of planning and designing, not something you would only use for a week

[fickle crest]

https://twitter.com/angular/status/1720475173495644390

[fickle crest]

2 days left

[mortal zodiac]

Why signal effects are in developer preview in v17?

[desert ember]

Some edge cases need to be sorted out. API is likely stable at this point.

[mortal zodiac]

Maybe that's a way to solve the signal narrow problem?

Other speculations:

1. Local variables declaration in template
2. Async providers
3. Styles in directive

[desert ember]

Local variables will never happen. It break the signal reactivity model.

@if has an alias just for the sake of compatibility with ngIf and to ease the migration.

(else if hasn for example)

[mortal zodiac]

Well signal aliasing for type safety or something on those line must happen at some point somehow

Every non primitive signal gets you kind of stuck in template (same as code) unless you use an intermediate variable

And creating endless nested casted computed isn't the best imo

[desert ember]

Why stuck ?

What other issues do we have outside narrowing ?

[mortal zodiac]

Mostly repeating nested signal properties access

When using pre configured computed doesn't always make sense based on context

A good example is disabled check (one for button and the opposite for tooltip when button disabled) - perfect for computed unless the check is specific to the flow you are in (after some ifs in the template). The computed would either repeat those checks or ignore them and sometimes might be in a weird state

Anyway maybe it's just me trying to avoid many small computed in component for specific places in template which aren't always used

[desert ember]

I'm trying to understand why a computed here ? shouldn't you just negate the value ?

[mortal zodiac]

Well some signal accesses are: signalVal().nested.here.value

[desert ember]

!signalVal().nested.here.value still works

what's the issue here ?

[mortal zodiac]

Ye of course... But think of a larger example:
signalVal().nested.here.value > 5 && signalVal().nested.here.value < 30

I would love to create a variable called isDisabled and negate it

[mild rampart]

This is typically a case for computed, right

[desert ember]

In JSX you'd likely created a new component just for that.

But I get your point

very verbose

[mortal zodiac]

Indeed - but then sometimes this check is relevant logically just inside a specific if and another check in the else. So I create two computed - one for the if and one for the else in the component

So I kind of lose the connection to context

And the computed gets called - isDisabledIfSomething

[mild rampart]

I think that is fine. I would make a separate service though for those signals and computed so you can bundle them if there are more then, lets say, 5

[mortal zodiac]

Except from splitting to components you can easily lose your hands when looking at those computed. Unless you express the control flow template check in the name

And I am not sure it's a good motivation to split to components - or am I wrong here?

[mild rampart]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So many people, so many choices, so many wishes, so many tastes. I think we’re given a great toolset and it is up to you to decide on how to implement them. Don’t make it too hard for yourself here. I think Angular is already much more opinionated than any other framework, but gives me room enough to decide where to bundle and where not. Which is great! 🅰️

[mortal zodiac]

I agree angular is great! It started from local variables talk so shared a few places that in code I just create a variable and use twice and in template I can't

It's also sometimes a question about change detection - whether computed for every little thing is better than template access

Like sig().nested.value vs sigNestedValue()

[desert ember]

With the latest changes in v17, small components + signals will improve CD performance

[mortal zodiac]

But don't components come with a cost? Which has more effect?

[desert ember]

Depend who often will that template part be repeated

Yes component have a "base cost"

(talking about bundle size here). but again with lazyload, it's not as important as it was before

[mortal zodiac]

Oh I was talking on performance impact on render

I mean render 100 components vs 100 divs

[mortal zodiac]

Btw which way is recommended in that snippet?

[desert ember]

there is no absolute answer to that.

having a long chain after the signal, has no cost

[mortal zodiac]

Fair enough - same as pipes then

One more limitation of signals and computed is dynamic values

Like ngFor variables mixed with signals for heavy operation I want to use computed for

[desert ember]

Can you illustrate what you're referring to ?

[mortal zodiac]

Let's take the check from before

[mortal zodiac]

This one

Now imagine the 5 is the item in @for

You can't use computed anymore

@desert ember

@for(num of numbers) {
<div [tooltipDisabled]="!(signalVal().nested.here.value > num && signalVal().nested.here.value < 30">
  <button [disabled]="signalVal().nested.here.value > num && signalVal().nested.here.value < 30"></button>
</div>
}

Annoying...

The best you can do is:

@for(num of numbers) {
<div [tooltipDisabled]="!(signalNestedHereVal() > num && signalNestedHereVal() < 30)">
  <button [disabled]="signalNestedHereVal() > num && signalNestedHereVal() < 30"></button>
</div>
}

[desert ember]

I see.

[mortal zodiac]

Maybe some abomination of pipes with dynamic computed can solve it... although I am not sure

In this case you could call a function in the template twice that does that check... But if that check involves array iteration this isn't a good idea anymore

Hence the requirement to somehow express intermediate variables in template

[clear coyote]

Reminds me of my favorite abomination for when I am forced to use React

export const useObservable = <T,>(o: Observable<T>): T | null => {
  const [val, setVal] = useState(null);
  const _subscriptions: Subscription = new Subscription();
  useEffect(() => {
    _subscriptions.add(o.subscribe((res) => setVal(res)));
    return () => {
      _subscriptions.unsubscribe();
    };
  }, []);
  return val;
};

I just can't live without my RxJS 🥲

[mortal zodiac]

Well maybe in some distant future we could do @declare name = value although I am not sure that's something that is desired. It could even be a local computed if that's even possible

[clear coyote]

Less than 2 days now. But, you know, who’s counting. Definitely not me.

[fickle crest]

Michael is counting

[eager hazel]

I let discord do that: <t:1699293600:F> - <t:1699293600:R>

[fickle crest]

😮

how you do that?

{{ date }}

echo $date;

[formal berry]

https://hammertime.cyou/

[fickle crest]

print(date)

[eager hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-a-wizard-hagrid-afirmation-magic-magical-gif-16533730

[fickle crest]

its not working hahah

<t:1686506400:d>

perfect hahaha

June 6 six

🤣

[clear coyote]

Need to make that a pinned comment on here 🙌🙏

Minutes, @eager hazel, I need to know the MINUTES left 😮‍💨

[eager hazel]

Apply for a job at discord and add a time countdown in minutes

and there will be a post tomorrow with a countdown... but you didn't hear that from me... 🤫

[clear coyote]

React, Python, and Rust according to their careers page. React full time, idk man. Preact is just such a better DX in my opinion.

Or hey, could convert it to Angular! The app itself is like 3 reused page views, no problem!

Tons of YouTube tutorials everywhere for clones, we ain’t reinventing the wheel here

[desert ember]

What are your Top 5 features for v17 (that we already know of ?)
For me I'd say:

1. Deferrable views
2. Application buidler
3. Local CD
4. Animation lazy-loading
5. New template syntax

[light wigeon]

They all look great, but I am especially waiting for the 2nd ⚡

[little folio]

I read about application builder, but still don't understand what the advantages are. Local CD and new syntax win for me

[desert ember]

the application builder is the new all-in-one default builder based of esbuild.

For benchmark I've seen, build time is cut in half in comparison with the webpack builder

The all-in-one allow easy SSR & prerendering setup

[little folio]

I'll have to try it out

although we don't really use SSR much, one project uses it, another only on dev server as it's too unreliable

[desert ember]

The esbuild builder has been improved a lot, which is why it is now stable and the default one when creating a project with the CLI

[mortal zodiac]

Can application builder fix transient dependencies not tree shaked?

[desert ember]

AFAIK transient or not doesn't impact tree shaking.

[clear coyote]

1 day left.

I hope other framework devs actually do attend, hope it gets the hype it deserves

[mortal zodiac]

An app consuming a library which is side effects free and it exports a function that uses another side effects free library. If I don't use that function in the app - should the library's dependency get tree shaked?

[clear coyote]

I thought it already did unless they’re both being barrel exported from the same place. It will tree shake only if the whole barrel isn’t used

[cerulean nacelle]

Im hyped so much

[mortal zodiac]

Ah that's the problem as I do use another exported function from the same file that doesn't use that transient dependency

Actually that's pretty weird... Any way to get around it?

[desert ember]

Esbuild doesn't fix this no

That why the animations async feature had to be in a separate secondary entry for example

[mortal zodiac]

So even with esm and side effects false that's not possible? Such a let down 😦

So a library with multiple util functions needs lots of secondary entries

[desert ember]

angular Material has a lot of secondary entries for that reason I believe

(improving tree shaking)

[little folio]

We did the same for our UI library, but never went to check what the benefits were

[mortal zodiac]

The problem is for best results you need each and every function to be an entry

A shame it can't be automatically tree shaked

Here is a feature for angular 17!

[little folio]

we weren't looking for the best, but just good enough. Before whole UI lib had one entry point, and some projects used only one component from it 😦

[clear coyote]

Yeah, it's really a pain. Found that out the hard way from tracking down with webpack-bundle-analyzer.

I wonder if something could be made to rewrite imports based on their barrel at build time to their full path. I don't think that's an Angular issue though.

esbuild may fix it, or maybe Vite does, but yeah definitely a webpack problem.

[eager hazel]

Not quite minutes, but hours is pretty good right... #angular-announcement message

[clear coyote]

Hours will do fine! It's better than days 😁

[eager hazel]

Anything over 23 hours will be counted in days (so still plenty of opportunity to join discord and make a difference 😉)

[fickle crest]

Only 21 hours left 😭

[formal wave]

I have no idea and I am excited to know

[fickle crest]

Only 18 hours left 🥳

[clear coyote]

16

[gilded aspen]

We're definitely reading everything and listening to users! The best part is we already have like ~50% of the features people are requesting in progress/design phases, publicly in v17 RCs or in the public roadmap as future projects.

[clear coyote]

15 😐

[gilded aspen]

Hopefully you all enjoy tomorrow! Someone mentioned this being for non-Angular devs, and that's definitely a target audience, so some of the info might be well known... but we still have a few tricks up our sleeves 🙂

[clear coyote]

14

(That was a quick hour but I’ll take it)

(Not that I’m constantly checking the announcement)

(Cause I’m totally not)

[fickle crest]

I almost write 14, but you win hahaha

[fickle crest]

Finally a hint.... Not like you @eager hazel hahaha

[fickle crest]

"tricks" OMG

I was feeling a bit sad because the event was scheduled my during work hours, but surprisingly, tomorrow is a holiday, so I'm excited and won't miss anything. Haha!

[clear coyote]

Sleeves!

[fickle crest]

I read the first time "slaves" hahaha

I thougth "Poor Angular developers must be going crazy programming everything we request just one day before" hahaha

later read "sleeves" and all take sense hahaha

[fickle crest]

13

@clear coyote 😉

[clear coyote]

Ahhhh beat me to it

[formal berry]

inb4 12

[clear coyote]

Gonna need the other side of the world peeps to keep track of that countdown for me while I snooze, aight?

Don’t let it slow down 👀

Sure wish I could just sleep for 12 hours.

[fickle crest]

12

[light wigeon]

Damn you were faster

[fickle crest]

Come on, do it

[mild rampart]

Ok…. I’ll do it. 🎉 11 🎉

[mortal zodiac]

Wait so does that mean there are no new stuff other than what we know? And the surprise is for new angular devs?

[fickle crest]

Nope

There are news for both new and old developers

the non-angular developers are a "target" audience, not the only target audience

[light wigeon]

11!

[fickle crest]

🤣

[light wigeon]

Nooo 😂

Breakfast got me

[light wigeon]

10 ✨

[fickle crest]

9

[desert ember]

9gular

[fickle crest]

8

Going to sleep, someone keep going

[light wigeon]

I'll try not to take another breakfast

[echo crater]

So the announcement is a collab between angular and flutter to build truly cross platform applications? im sure if angular was still based on dart (and not the internal google version of angular that uses dart) then this would happen...

[light wigeon]

H-7 ⏲️

[eager hazel]

Seems someone forgot to read the fine print disclaimer again... why do we even bother posting disclaimers 😞

ᵃⁿʸ ʰⁱⁿᵗˢ ᵍⁱᵛᵉⁿ ᵇʸ ᵃⁿᵍᵘˡᵃʳ ᶜᵒᵐᵐᵘⁿⁱᵗʸ ᵈⁱˢᶜᵒʳᵈ ˢᵗᵃᶠᶠ (ᵃᵈᵐⁱⁿˢ ᵃⁿᵈ ᵐᵒᵈᵉʳᵃᵗᵒʳˢ) ᵃʳᵉ ᶠᵒʳ ᵉⁿᵗᵉʳᵗᵃⁱⁿᵐᵉⁿᵗ ᵖᵘʳᵖᵒˢᵉˢ ᵒⁿˡʸ. ⁿᵒ ʳⁱᵍʰᵗˢ ᶜᵃⁿ ᵇᵉ ᵈᵉʳⁱᵛᵉᵈ ᶠʳᵒᵐ ᵃⁿʸ ᵒᶠ ᵗʰᵉˢᵉ ʰⁱⁿᵗˢ, ᵉᵛᵉⁿ ⁱᶠ ᵗʰᵉʸ ᶜᵃᵐᵉ ᶠʳᵒᵐ ᵗʰᵉ ᵇᵉˢᵗ ᵃᵈᵐⁱⁿ ᵉᵛᵉʳ.

[frosty wharf]

Hints from the Angular team, however... ||actually you can't trust us either 😛||

[eager hazel]

I think I will start working on updating some of our bot's / commands, for no reason whatsoever 🥸

[light wigeon]

6!

[light wigeon]

H -

[eager hazel]

missing a half logo there...

[light wigeon]

I would said the mods didn't provide me with the suitable emoji 🙄

[eager hazel]

I have no idea what you're talking about...

[light wigeon]

H-

[light wigeon]

https://tenor.com/b0FfzSDB8PC.gif

[eager hazel]

the last hour, the countdown #angular-announcement will be displayed in minutes... don't tell me I have to create 60 emoji's

[light wigeon]

*61
You are missing the other half too 🙄

[eager hazel]

No, just like in a restaurant... one piece for the customer, one piece for the chef

[clear coyote]

Dang it, woke up too early 😬😂

[light wigeon]

Just in time to keep the counter running 😂

[clear coyote]

4 😁

[formal berry]

https://canary.discord.com/events/748677963142135818/1171083529338245181

[eager hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNjyG8S4_kI

[formal berry]

an hour too early!

because... now 4

[eager hazel]

just let it play on repeat... sigh

[formal berry]

@clear coyote is jumping the gun

but then it's 6 hours!

[eager hazel]

You'll fall a sleep after 30 minutes listening anyway... who cares

[formal berry]

don't put this on me

[eager hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-just-did-nailed-it-drop-the-mic-mic-drop-were-done-gif-6231524

[formal berry]

https://tenor.com/b7hAWOkelT5.gif

3h51min

[light wigeon]

Are we doing the minutes already?

[formal berry]

Sure

why not

always could have

just never did

[sly pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-apple-event-apple-meme-tim-cook-wow-tim-cook-meme-gif-26571527

I am expecting a big production like Apple keynote, anything less will be a big disappointment 🤣

[light wigeon]

https://tenor.com/blG1p.gif

[clear coyote]

I expect puns. There must be puns

I want every single freakin YouTube influencer tomorrow to have to make a video saying “ok, guys, I was wrong and we need to give Angular a try.”

[light wigeon]

I want every single freakin YouTube influencer tomorrow to have to make a video saying “ok, guys, I was wrong and we need to give dangular a try.”

I want that rebranding to happen, with the logo

Any pun will do

[robust sandal]

[sly pebble]

Sure, MKBHD will release a video

[clear coyote]

“This event had better production quality than Apple”

[light wigeon]

I'm asking ChatGPT for help

[robust sandal]

3 hrs 30min to go

[clear coyote]

Dangular confirmed

[light wigeon]

[formal berry]

@gilded aspen, there are high expectations. Good luck!

[robust sandal]

The team won't disappoint us.

[formal berry]

Glad I’m not them 🤣

[sly pebble]

no pressure... i hope it's a prerecorded livestream

[formal berry]

I just run this little dinky Discord server

Oh no, my crown went away. 🤔

It’s probably because I gave @eager hazel those event permissions. 😡

[light wigeon]

I'll have to switch to https://actix.rs/ with the cool kids otherwise

[formal berry]

Michael, look! Rust!

[eager hazel]

cool kids use axum...

[light wigeon]

I just went with the first name on https://www.arewewebyet.org/ 🤷‍♂️

So much for the alphabetical order

[little folio]

I'm just considering doing a tiny project with Rust (now sure which framework yet) + Angular. The problem being I haven't touched Rust in 5 years. Sometimes I'm my biggest enemy

I guess with Angular getting easier and easier I have to find challenges elsewhere

[strong flicker]

does anyone know if components will be standalone by default in the new version?

[clear coyote]

I hear Go is much better for web backends unless you’re just using rust for the sake of using it

[light wigeon]

Is that not what everybody's doing? /s

[formal berry]

C#

[light wigeon]

I think --standalone will be enabled by default for ng new

[little folio]

I want to do other stuff with rust as well

[strong flicker]

awesome

[clear coyote]

We will see in hours

[frosty wharf]

Wooooooo!!

[light wigeon]

You can also already configure it in your angular.json

[frosty wharf]

I can't wait to find out what's going on

[formal berry]

Me too

[little folio]

I've already done that 🙂

[formal berry]

@frosty wharf is now a

[frosty wharf]

😂

[light wigeon]

is that another clue? 👀

[formal berry]

everything is a clue

https://tenor.com/bSdmb.gif

Yall are missing the biggest clue

id:guide 🙂

[strong flicker]

will this be the default when i create them using intellij or webstore create angular component menu instead of the command line?

[light wigeon]

server
Confirmed: this is about Angular becoming a backend framework

[formal berry]

https://tenor.com/kJVpS0L5PLn.gif

[light wigeon]

I could be tempted to trust that I am wrong but ...

[strong flicker]

I'll watch the announcement and try to make a summary video with my native language

[light wigeon]

I'll be so md if the reveal shows something that is obvious and we all missed for all this time

[scenic spade]

Or some poopy corporate rebranding

[light wigeon]

Why would React be the only one with a nice logo?

[strong flicker]

i doubt it, or if so it won't be that drastic, angulars logo is one of the coolest, so it doesn't need a change

[light wigeon]

https://tenor.com/bWEVi.gif

[scenic spade]

AngularJS logo > current one. I do appreciate a good rim job.

[strong flicker]

i like angulars logo

[formal berry]

...

[light wigeon]

It would be fun if this was indeed about the logo and was the new one

[scenic spade]

Please talk so that message gets forgotten.

[light wigeon]

And it was not a clue but its final form already

[strong flicker]

i would be so mad and so happy at the same time 💀

[sly pebble]

it's pretty obvious. The new angular logo will be Pink and a triangle instead of an hexagon

[clear coyote]

Try-Angular. Plot twist, nobody does 😨

hours left

[light wigeon]

Can't wait for the minutes countdown

[frosty wharf]

ship it

[fickle crest]

How much time left?

[robust sandal]

1 and half hour

[little folio]

[formal berry]

@clear coyote your turn

[light wigeon]

That’s some dedication there

[eager hazel]

Wait's almost over folks... get ready for the minute countdown <t:1699293600:F> - <t:1699293600:R>

[clear coyote]

[formal berry]

Imagine if there was seconds

@eager hazel make it happen

[eager hazel]

It's probably hidden behind some permission you haven't given me... sorry

[formal berry]

😢

Oh hey, my crown is back

or maybe it's not visible on mobile

[eager hazel]

was never gone for me

[formal berry]

[clear coyote]

4️⃣ 0️⃣

[frosty wharf]

So excited!!

[clear coyote]

3️⃣ 5️⃣

[formal berry]

Loving it @clear coyote

[little folio]

Why? You already know what it will be about.. i hope

[formal berry]

Assuming... bold of you

Do you not see the next to his name?

[desert ember]

Good stuff is always exciting

[frosty wharf]

@desert ember how long is your delay?

[desert ember]

ATM 35min

Enough to see the live 😄

[clear coyote]

3️⃣ 0️⃣

[desert ember]

2️⃣9️⃣

[clear coyote]

ok 🤣

[cerulean nacelle]

hype hype hype

[clear coyote]

Looked like a comfy train

I'm used to Amtrak 😁

[eager hazel]

try to beat the bot

[formal berry]

there's @eager hazel, showing off his toys again

[desert ember]

Old coaches are just better here in France

[formal berry]

🤣

[desert ember]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-heavy-breathing-intensifies-fat-cat-gif-11159759

[clear coyote]

I stayed in Brussels for a week to attend an Odoo conference for work. Almost took the train to Paris for the day. Shoulda 😅

[desert ember]

300KMH / 180 MPH is just fantastic

[clear coyote]

2️⃣5️⃣

dang it

[robust sandal]

2️⃣3️⃣

[clear coyote]

"self-assign yourself a role to be reminded by the bot when a minute has passed"

[eager hazel]

You would have to add your creditcard info to that role, to pay for the compute

[cerulean nacelle]

hype hype hype hype hype hype

[clear coyote]

Worth it, I'll forget otherwise

Hook'r on up to autopay

2️⃣0️⃣

[fickle crest]

https://tenor.com/view/oogway-my-time-has-come-gif-8019684

[clear coyote]

Guess I should head over and save my seat in the YouTube lobby

1️⃣ 5️⃣ 🔥 🔥 🔥

"Rest assured v17 will come with 0 API changes"

1️⃣ 0️⃣

[cerulean nacelle]

9️⃣

[clear coyote]

8️⃣

[cerulean nacelle]

7️⃣

[cursive gulch]

After this I am ignoring JavaScript announcements for 9 months haha

[cerulean nacelle]

More like Zzzscript

[clear coyote]

nothing else will matterrrrrrrrr

[cerulean nacelle]

I had to work once with a react library with that JS, worst developing experience

[cursive gulch]

Same. It was spaghetti galore.

[clear coyote]

6️⃣

Sweet, we got 2!

We broke it!

[eager hazel]

great, I'll send you the bill to fix it

[formal berry]

boop

boop

[cerulean nacelle]

5️⃣

[formal berry]

hah

i broke it better

boop

boop

boop

awww

[frosty wharf]

!!!

[cursive gulch]

Thats what I’m hoping for.

[clear coyote]

4️⃣

[formal berry]

https://tenor.com/bJJgz.gif

[cerulean nacelle]

3️⃣

[clear coyote]

Wow, I get my decision on tree emojis whether I want deciduous or evergreen. What a time to be alive

[cerulean nacelle]

2️⃣

[formal berry]

NOISE

[cerulean nacelle]

1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣ 1️⃣

[strong flicker]

👀

[eager hazel]

look @formal berry... seconds

[formal berry]

Yeah but I wanted seconds > 1min

fail

❤️

[cerulean nacelle]

0️⃣

[clear coyote]

OH NO IT COUNTS UP

[sly pebble]

👏

[cerulean nacelle]

Duuude that new documentation

[robust sandal]

https://angular.dev/

[strong flicker]

... ago

[hardy gull]

https://angular.dev/

[sly pebble]

i was close

[mild rampart]

Nice

[cerulean nacelle]

Wheres the new logo emoji

[strong flicker]

V17

[cerulean nacelle]

[clear coyote]

Discord logo changed

Ooooh, that Google colored logo was slick

[strong flicker]

https://angular.dev/

I LOVE THE NEW LOGO

[cerulean nacelle]

I was here

[strong flicker]

please support firefox asap

[cerulean nacelle]

Its not v3 well

[mild rampart]

So new logo, new docs. I was right 😊. Good for new devs

But not supporting Firefox is an ouch though

[clear coyote]

I WAS RIGHT DOWN TO ALGOLIA

[cerulean nacelle]

nothing else?

[fickle crest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq6GpTZ7AX0&ab_channel=Angular

[little folio]

Maybe angular.dev needs a few fixes 😄

[cerulean nacelle]

Hydration

[little folio]

Cool thing is, these docs are in v17

[formal berry]

The first glitch of the stream 🤣

oh noes

[cursive gulch]

What do we think so far? I think new Docs were sorely needed.
Logi is clean too. Is there a bigger announcement at the end?

[cerulean nacelle]

dude i hope theres more

[fickle crest]

I thought i was crazy because feel that the logo was moving hahaha

indeed its animated

https://medium.com/@twerske/1e1205fa3039

hahahaha

[cerulean nacelle]

i want @for @if

[prime ice]

New docs were much needed. Bravo!

[cursive gulch]

Same

[cerulean nacelle]

doc and logo is nice but not enough for such a hyped event

[light wigeon]

The new logo has some Adobe vibes 👁️

[mossy pollen]

no Firefox support

[cerulean nacelle]

omg more news

OMGGGG

ATHEY DID ITT

[formal berry]

Hey it's @frosty wharf!

[cerulean nacelle]

LETS GO THEY DID IT

COME OOOOOOOOOON

[strong flicker]

finaly no more *ngIf

[cerulean nacelle]

this is actually enough for me

the event can end now

omg hahaha

[strong flicker]

ikr, i was so excited for this

[cerulean nacelle]

This is what i was hyped for

Empty syntax duuuuude

Switch is not left behing

[prime fable]

@ empty seems nice

[glad nimbus]

I wish they should have caption live video, I am deaf and trying to rely on live caption but it is quite inaccurate

[strong flicker]

i feel like i just got out of the shower from how clean this code looks now

[cerulean nacelle]

im updating my project to v17 hardly

[prime fable]

I wanna see how they are going to handle { } that aren't part of a @ syntax. Do you have to escape them?

[strong flicker]

hopefully my team updates by next week

[cerulean nacelle]

I cannot have those hopes on mine haha

[formal wave]

I always wait a few minor versions at least

[formal berry]

Everyone ping Alex! 🤣

[fickle crest]

@frosty wharf

[strong flicker]

which version are you on?

[formal berry]

I kid 😐

[cerulean nacelle]

@frosty wharf chad

[cerulean nacelle]

v15, its an university project im half the way

[little folio]

So evil.. I like it

[strong flicker]

@frosty wharf give me a shoutout

[strong flicker]

same, but this control flow syntax is too good not to update asap

[cerulean nacelle]

[formal wave]

I guess vscode extension will be updated at the same time

[little folio]

I wanted to update one of my projects to it, but nx was "nah, not today"

[little folio]

I think extension with control flow is already available somewhere

[eager hazel]

There was already a .next version of the language service with control flow syntax I believe (just have to update manually for next versions)

[formal wave]

oh, nice. I played with it but with vscode complaining

[eager hazel]

Yeah, wednesday on release it will all work

[strong flicker]

hopefully the guys at jetbrains update soon

[formal wave]

what I like from the new site is the tutorial "framework". Other sites will copy it for their libraries and that is nice.

[clear coyote]

Thanks for the puns

NOW the stream can end

[little folio]

How come there is nothing on reddit on /r/webdev or /r/programming? at least not on top

[strong flicker]

THIS IS AWESOME

[modern kestrel]

For those of us who couldn’t make the livestream what’s the news???

[cerulean nacelle]

still going on

[clear coyote]

Other than what we already knew, https://angular.dev with the new logo

[strong flicker]

it's still happening, but we got a new logo, new website with new docs and a playground so you can work from a browser, some SSR (but i don't use that) my favorite so far is the new control flow and the defer blocks

[modern kestrel]

Oooo

[strong flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/oxi-clean-but-wait-theres-more-home-shopping-gif-9592017

[cerulean nacelle]

THEY SAID THERES MORE

Stand alone by default!!]

[clear coyote]

I feel like there's another surprise

Like an Apple "one more thing"

[formal wave]

those Input are 🔥

[clear coyote]

Guess I gotta get new Angular merch now

[cerulean nacelle]

Where can i get it

[clear coyote]

I do RedBubble

[formal berry]

#1166055990790205552 message

[kind glade]

Sounds a great idea indeed 😁

[formal wave]

whaaaaaat, I haven't receive mine!

[cerulean nacelle]

wooow

[formal wave]

I had to throw away my original Angular.js. I loved it very much

[sly pebble]

So happy that I can still use Material 16 with Angular 17 😅 thank you

[mossy pollen]

so happy webpack isn't deprecated