Hades - Nebula255 #15

[feral pumice]

wow i think this might've just extended my lifespan, dont have to keep looking at compare_belt_response

Had no clue that was a thing, ty

[tender haven]

😂

[feral pumice]

gonna let the black filament dry for a bit, then do 2 clips in that, keep 2 in red, then a multicolor black + red

[icy cargo]

I was going to say if you want to see what the clips look like in different colors on black fillers, I actually have red and black solid color clips also printed. 😅

[feral pumice]

Gonna need to add something to this so I'm not copying all the builds 😂

[icy cargo]

I think that's pretty much what I did too. 😅

[feral pumice]

Definitely not a bad Thing(123), your builds fx. are very nice, I would like this to atleast somehow be a bit unique, apart from the cantilever, yet to figure out how though

[tender haven]

its not a copy for multiple reasons though

Warped only builds 370 printers
And his is running Hydra

[feral pumice]

That's true, but a few unique aspects I haven't seen before would be nice, been thinking about what to add

[tender haven]

layer change every other layer

[feral pumice]

I was more thinking something that wouldn't drive me insane after 40 minutes

[tender haven]

I think its far to late for that

[feral pumice]

I wouldn't say I'm fully there yet, like 80%

https://likes.cat/52mxid19.png

I have to get creative with the wiring for my cpap in this thing aswell, might run it up one of the cantilever vertical extrusions, then into the extrusion infront of that, then down to the cpap? not sure

[light pier]

how did you make that?

[tender haven]

That's just color swaps at layers

[icy cargo]

Just as @tender haven said, manual filament swaps at certain layer heights. You can see the layer change from the front as well but it was a happy accident that everything sort of aligned and complimented each other.

[feral pumice]

Couldn’t find my second spool roller thing, so haven’t gotten around to playing with it yet,

Picking skirts up tomorrow, then wiring up ethernet , not sure about USB yet but I’ll see how I feel about that

[runic escarp]

Gorgeousness!

[feral pumice]

Super happy with how the skirts turned out, many thanks to @short glen for printing them, despite my red asa spool messing up his AMS😅

I’ll handle the center inlays myself, probably cut some white acrylic for diffusers for the front

[short glen]

I haven't checked-in in a while, it looks amazing 😛. I'm looking forward to see it with the beefy panels

[feral pumice]

Me too, they should ship very soon as I gave them the go-ahead

Hardware for them should arrive mid December

[short glen]

Yeah it was such a relief to return that blasted red spool! I'll make a respooler asap, but I'm not 100% convinced in any of the design I've seen

[feral pumice]

Just got the shipping notice from Xometry, they claim the 25th, excited to see them in person

Luckily it’s not with UPS, so they should get here in one piece, knock on wood

[feral pumice]

Wired the IEC up again, no explosions so far, lights work flawlessly, might move the z a bit again for fun

[tender haven]

How did the rear skirts fit

[feral pumice]

They fit really nicely, maybe a mm or two between them and one of the feet which isnt noticeable

[tender haven]

you need to use scaler in the slicer to fix that

looking at that now, I would put the keystones in the other skirt

balance the vents

the vents you never see

[feral pumice]

yeah, no point really, the keystones fit perfectly, so I'm pretty happy

Also helps that they look amazing (thanks 79bass, still sorry about that red roll 😂 )

[tender haven]

these do become heavy enough, that its hard to want to swap feet and skirts lol

[feral pumice]

Yeah… I’ve resorted to having a tiny bit of the printer having off my desk, and sitting on the floor

The 5160RGB's run kinda hot, need a constant driver on them with my Z, 2a run current, they hit 75c+

ofcourse I don't really have a sense of how hot the normal 5160 pro's run at, but seems like more

[feral pumice]

And this is at 24v, not even 48

[tender haven]

I've only run watterotts myself

[feral pumice]

I’ve only ran ez 5160 pro’s before, I know the watterotts are better though and run way cooler

Oh I guess I actually haven’t had 5160’s at 2a before, the ones in my v0 run at 1.6

Working on a new solution for the left skirt to include cable points without having to reprint it, may something the screw can hold down

It looks awful at current but I also don’t wanna sleeve it all

[feral pumice]

More fun to be had with WLED;

Having the default preset of orange at 50% brightness was fine

Changed it to red at 50% and it caused brownout detections,

The fix; make a preset with red at 1%, one with red at 50%, and then a third playlist preset, to merge the two with a duration, now it turns on red at 1%, stays there until everythings booted, then slowly gets up to the 50% brightness i requested

[tender haven]

So your LEDs are too much for your 5v PSU?

[feral pumice]

I have it all wired into the same wagos, so the Pi, ESP32, and 22x WS2812b are powering on at the same time

It's not a PSU, it's a DC-DC converter from meanwell, but the instant load causes the voltage to drop, which triggers brownout detection in the ESP

[tender haven]

Time for a dedicated 5v PSU

[feral pumice]

It has lots of current to give, but voltage is an issue initially 😂 I could just put a cap between the wago and esp, but thats effort

[feral pumice]

They're all considerably larger than the DDR60G5, it's also a non issue as long as i give the LED's a ramp up time

https://likes.cat/6ieja13s.png

Even a LRS 75 is 97x99, and thats the smallest psu of the 5 that I just had a look at

I went with UHP 350's, so thats less space for other stuff in there

[south finch]

will WLED be integrated w klipper

[feral pumice]

I forgot it can do that lol, it might at some point.

For now I’m keeping it as work / mood lighting

I think this might be the first time I’m wishing for a weekend to be over fast, I get my panels on Monday

[feral pumice]

ship faster.

[feral pumice]

That is beautiful

[tender haven]

Are they installed yet

[feral pumice]

I have not installed them in the minute since I posted this picture no

Give me another 30 seconds and they might be unpacked

[tender haven]

Why not

[feral pumice]

I work at the speed of me, not the speed of sound

[tender haven]

I'm disappointed in reality

[feral pumice]

thats ok, u can fly out and install them, I don't even have the hardware for them so itll be a temporary mount

[tender haven]

I didn't think I would get mine installed the day they arrived.... But once I started to work on installing then I couldn't stop

[feral pumice]

yeah im already installing Tnuts 😂

I suppose for now ill have to use silver screws

[tender haven]

Just do 6 or 8 for now

Or 4

I would use 1 or 2 on both the upper and lower extrusions, not just on the uprights

[feral pumice]

yeah ill do as few as possible, theyre easy to replace anyway so its no biggie

[tender haven]

Since the uprights cannot keep the panels from sliding down

I start with the center top screw

[feral pumice]

Yeah, all tnuts are installed and theyre easy to unscrew anyway, so ill just put a bunch of screws in

[tender haven]

And slide the panel to line up the others

[feral pumice]

only annoying part will be lining up the t nuts, but ill use my allen key and wedge it in there

[tender haven]

Then do the vertical ones last

[feral pumice]

sounds good

[tender haven]

I slide the panel to one side so I can line up the tnuts on the vertical. Then slide it the other way and repeat on the other vertical

[feral pumice]

Ahh yeah smart

Will install them once this v0 print is done, then ill get some pics

[feral pumice]

😍

[woeful talon]

Are they anodized or painted?

[feral pumice]

Anodized

[feral pumice]

In love with these, excited to get the proper hardware to install them, currently using M5x10 BHCS

for M5x12 FHCS and some red countersunk washers on the way

And now it’s time for me to start looking into options for the remaining panels (top, bottom, and door)

Most of the FMG hardware will arrive on the 10th of Dec. along with the panel hardware, friend also received the 8mm 7075 for some of my FMG parts

[torn bear]

That is so clean 😩😩😩

[feral pumice]

Well this was a lie.

I got all the hardware today (I think?), or atleast close to all.

The M5x12 FHCS are a bit too short, I should've gone with some M5x14 FHCS for it, some of them can't grip or engage properly, will order some new ones right now

[tender haven]

To short where

Those are for the stepper mounts

And should be BHCS

[feral pumice]

No, I ordered those for my panels

[tender haven]

Ohhh

[feral pumice]

I have m5x12 BHCS for steppers, all the FMG hardware is accounted for

[tender haven]

Someone didn't math

[feral pumice]

I thought I did, but then again theres only 8mm of thread on these 12mm fhcs

so i just misunderstood how it was measured on FHCS 😂

[tender haven]

Since they are for countersunk holes, it's from the top 😂

[feral pumice]

Yeahhh i didnt take that into account and didn't bother looking

[tender haven]

But you need to look at the thickness of the washers as well

[feral pumice]

its my bad, some fit, some dont, i ordered some m5x14 FHCS for it, since some of these m5x12 fit, i reckon 14 should be fine

[tender haven]

So if the washer is 5mm, panel is 5mm, and extrusion is 6mm deep, that's 16mm

Though looks like most are 3mm thick

So that's 14mm

[feral pumice]

3.8mm for washer, 5mm panel, 6mm extrusion

[tender haven]

14 will be perfect then

[feral pumice]

yeah good, already ordered them 😂

some of these m5x12 can get a tiny bit of thread in there

some cant, so ill just rock a few of them for now

[tender haven]

Third time's the charm

[feral pumice]

Yeah, gonna ask my friend about the FMG plates now to see when hes got time

[feral pumice]

This is gonna look great, especially once I get the proper length screws lol

[feral pumice]

Attempt 1 of cpap mounting

This might change a lot, the current planis

2x m3 screws into extrusion, 1x m5 screw into steel plate and m5 nut

Cut CPAP hose up to the adapter im making to get it a small enough ID to pass through, then use the rest of the length

[feral pumice]

Gonna print a new attempt at a cable cover for the back which will slide onto it

Let’s hope it’s not as much of a pain to mount as the skirt itself

[short glen]

The v0 looks so tiny in there 😛

[feral pumice]

😂 its great

its still printing parts for it

[trim terrace]

I thought this was the front and was going to ask how do you open it

[tender haven]

Just unscrew the panel

15 minutes later... 😂

[feral pumice]

😂 yeah i got it man let me go get my print in 15 minutes

then lift it back on and torque it down

[feral pumice]

CPAP wiring is gonna be annoying, might need some input from others here, i have a few ideas but none I'm a huge fan of

first idea;
https://likes.cat/xznr1amx.png
running it up the extrusion, under the top hydra extrusion, then down some of the cantilever extrusion

upside; itll work
downside; long wire, ugly

second idea is much simpler, but not sure how i feel or will go about it;
https://likes.cat/f3f6eksb.png
just run the wires down, make a microfit 3.0 passthrough and cut a hole in the deck panel to mount it

Might just do option 2, much easier than using meters of wire for it, I’ll get a little microfit crimp and just file a hole in the PC panel

[tender haven]

That's really the only option

[feral pumice]

option 1 is doable but annoying as hell

ill make a microfit keystone i can screw into an extrusion

[feral pumice]

Gotta shorten the cpap wires too, which is annoying, don’t have a PA-21 crimp tool, might cut the wires and solder

[feral pumice]

Thanks to @tender havens attention to detail, for better or for worse, im now taking this all apart so i can flip one of the upright Z rails for the cantilever setup

[tender haven]

You are welcome

[feral pumice]

boom

just need to tighten it up

[feral pumice]

Might have ruined one of the carriages on the rail, good job to myself,

I was running the top carriage up and down the rail, and i didnt notice a screw poking out (good job me), so it ran right over the screw, with what i would imagine wouldve been intense resistance at lower speeds

gonna see how poorly it runs now

welp, it runs without too much complaining when just doing FORCE_MOVE STEPPER=stepper_z DISTANCE=150 VELOCITY=25 ACCEL=1000

Just need to wire up the bed when and then I’ll continue working on my microfit passthrough and BLDC driver mount for the cpap

[tender haven]

So that would have maybe just dented the plastic endcap or rubber seal?

[feral pumice]

well the entire carriage ran over it

[tender haven]

the center is steel and would be fine

the plastic end caps, well they are plastic and I have moved those back after hitting them on MGN12 rails

[feral pumice]

Ahh

im glad then lol, thought i mightve fucked up some of the ball bearings inside or something

[tender haven]

the bearings have ball returns in those endcaps

but those are on either sided, nothing in the center really

the center just has some internal geometry for the grease injection ports

[feral pumice]

gotcha, didnt hear any weird sounds or grinding when i ran it up and down a few times, so ill assume all is good, and if things start breaking, then ill handle it at another point lol

[feral pumice]

Currently looking at insulation options for the printer, originally found a lot of listings for 12mm PIR but didn’t look closely enough, most if not all are out of stock or B2B, and it was discontinued in 2020, needs to be 12mm or thinner preferably, so it’s not too close to my cpap or my xy joints (16.5mm clearance to the xy)

[gaunt skiff]

Be careful with the CPAP controller board in the chamber and chamber temp
They are only rated to 65C max

[feral pumice]

Yeah can’t really have it outside sadly

Can’t imagine any easy way to have it outside the chamber

[feral pumice]

@viral grove don’t you have a pretty hot chamber, while using CPAP? Had any issues with anything so far?

(Hope you’re the right guy to ping lol, swear I remember like 80-90c chamber)

[feral pumice]

Ordered the remaining smooth pins, fans, etc. so missing some grub screws, and bearings now

https://likes.cat/5x3ah4yx.png

https://likes.cat/vlc57l0k.png

Also just spent €60 on 2x 698-2RS bearings for the double shear 8mm 😂

[gaunt skiff]

Le fuq?

[feral pumice]

NSK

[viral grove]

I’m starting to hear bearings from FMG I think from heat, also my PC door is a banana now. Other then any printed part needing to be re tightened over and over. Most off all was extrusions getting thermal expansion, also anything above 75c so far has creeps heat into the ebay I can see it on all my octopus and rpi temps

[feral pumice]

Gotcha, but the cpap driver has held up so far?

[viral grove]

Yep so far I know it’s only rated to like 80c

[feral pumice]

Good to know, also thanks for the info on thermal expansion, reminds me to buy my backers

How thick is your door, 3mm?

[viral grove]

Yeah 3mm door, I need to replace it with 6mm

[feral pumice]

Gotcha, im going for 5 or 6mm aswell, hopefully no bowing, max chamber would probably be 80 ish

[viral grove]

You gonna use a chamber heater?

[feral pumice]

Yeah, should be able to make space for another SSR

If I do some electronics bay acrobatics

[viral grove]

Oh yeah you can fit two forsure how does kalico handle chamber heaters I don’t like how klipper does it

[feral pumice]

My ebay is pretty cramped already,

I haven’t looked much into how kalico does it, gonna read up on it in a bit

If I move the pi and the octo a bit, should be a spot for another

[viral grove]

Also chamber heater I’ve drilled my own thermistor spot directly into the heater

[feral pumice]

Smart actually

[viral grove]

And then another hole for a thermal fuse

I don’t have a picture for that

But same hole just mirrored onto the other side

[feral pumice]

Yeah no worries, just an m3 tap or something to drill a fuse into

Gotcha

[viral grove]

Yep

[feral pumice]

thats good to know man, thanks, was thinking about fuses for it lol

[viral grove]

Then lots of boron nitrate

Pre flight check your fuses, pop one or two by hand

Make sure they work

[gaunt skiff]

not in this case
chamber heater shouldnt get hot enough
normal thermal paste is better here

bn needs at least 80-90C for the solvent to vaporize so it actually works

[viral grove]

My chamber heater sees 120

At max

[feral pumice]

hey zeanon, now that you're here, off the top of your head does kalico handle chamber heaters differently than mainline klipper? 😂 or do i have to go rtfm

[viral grove]

But yeah normal would work most cases

[south finch]

no. treats it like any chamber

i dont think either has a specific section like heater_bed or extruder

[gaunt skiff]

normal is actually better here
bn wont work properly in this case

[gaunt skiff]

there might be something
brb

nope
just heater_generic

[feral pumice]

Gotcha, thanks!

So get some thermal paste, some fuses, thermistors, and a heater

might wait a bit, wallet is pretty hurt from this morning with the bearings 😂

[viral grove]

I thought this was general chat smh🤣🤣 and isn’t boron nitrate just not electronically conductive after 100c it’s thermal conductivity is still just fully their below the boiling temp

[feral pumice]

this should be the new general chat for cool ideas and advice imo

[south finch]

was this not already?

[feral pumice]

i feel like so far its been scope creep

and has been working

ACTUALLY, if anyone has any advice on 12mm ish insulation, that would be nice, 12mm PIR is gone from everywhere since it went out of production in 2020

[viral grove]

You said it yesterday aerogel, and your printer will be more expensive then anyone’s on here🤣

[feral pumice]

Hahahaha, i think that was 5am me

not 4pm with a wallet me

[viral grove]

Can you not get any pir at all?

[feral pumice]

I might be able to get some 15mm, 12mm would just be ideal

Yeah 15mm is in stock, 12 went out of production in 2020 and no one has it anymore

[tender haven]

15 works fine

[feral pumice]

yea, i just dont wanna move my cpap the 3mm, nor cut around it

gives me roughly 1.5mm of space between the PIR and the XY joint which is fine

ah I’ll just move the cpap, this is way too much work

[tender haven]

just push it in

its not that rigid

[feral pumice]

Oh

[tender haven]

you can squish it with your fingers

[feral pumice]

Oh nice, instead of all this speculation I could just order a bunch and friction fit it in there, then start my complaining about things, worst case

[tender haven]

I do not think friction fit is the way with nebula

it needs to be bonded to the panels

the back has to be cut around things

and the sides need to be tight around the y rails

the rest would be fine

Though I guess you could print some extrusion spacers on the y rails

[feral pumice]

I was thinking friction fit for the side initially, then push it in to make sure it sits flush against the panel

[tender haven]

I should probably do that for mine, to prevent the PIR from creeping out towards the rail

[feral pumice]

Ohhh

I saw someone in the HT discord that had like

Spikes, on little nuts in their extrusions

Trying to find a pic

But they essentially just impaled the PIR to keep it in place, and had the spikes slotted into their extrusions

[viral grove]

At work we use foam adhesive. It comes in a. Caulk tube and it will adhere to PIR

And like turtle said it’s not that rigid at all, you can squish it

[feral pumice]

Thanks both, 15mm it is, and then hoping for a decent ish friction fit, and if not I’ll figure something out

[feral pumice]

Got my X gantry

[feral pumice]

not 100% sure that this thing is fully straight lol

I’ll cut it and see, worst case I just use the extrusion I already have

[woeful talon]

what material? alu, ti, carbon?

[feral pumice]

6063 Alu

[woeful talon]

wall thickness?

[feral pumice]

2mm wall, 16mm ID

[woeful talon]

and its not pre drilled, is it?
will you thread into the walls, or use nuts?

[feral pumice]

Probably thread into the back wall

Haven’t even ordered my stress concentrators yet

[feral pumice]

@tender haven do the 5.5 hinges in the nebula repo fit 6mm panels with the foam? Or do you reckon it would be trying to push itself open

[tender haven]

Try it, if it doesn't close then you just need to print new hinge bases on the frame side

V0 prints

[feral pumice]

Gotcha, thanks, gonna order a 6mm door and a 3mm top panel (non structural, you win)

[tender haven]

Lol

I do like my 6mm top on the 370

But 3mm isn't bad

[feral pumice]

theres a 6mm top variant ?!

[tender haven]

I can send the clips

I made files for my 370

Not home yet

[feral pumice]

no worries, im in no rush

im modelling up the holes for the square tube (thanks warped :D) so i can cut it tomorrow

[tender haven]

you can mirror the filament entry file if needed

just print one normal and one mirrored, so you can decide which one you want once setup

[feral pumice]

Thanks, will look at that tomorrow, trying to be fancy with this and use fusions technical drawing stuff for the square tubes dimensions 😂

Hollow panel clips? Is that just for extra mounting pressure on the top panel or something?

[tender haven]

they are optional really

I have one on each side on my 370

just fills in the space

[feral pumice]

Yeah fair

[tender haven]

I dont have any on my 255s

[feral pumice]

I'll see what fits, might aswell print a few for fun

[tender haven]

front 4 and see if you like it with or without them

ohh I liked

lied

[feral pumice]

Wowww

[tender haven]

I have one on each side on the black merc

non on red merc, and 2 on each side with the 370

[feral pumice]

oh the 370 got 2

Yeah i see, they would fill up nicely actually

ill play with it

theyre easy to print and install

[tender haven]

just felt right

not needed really, but make it look more finished

[feral pumice]

well see how this technical drawing stuff fits, accidentally imported the entire nebula255 thing on top of it, and broke the link, so its been computing for a hot minute

[feral pumice]

Taking panels off to replace deck panel screws with black ones, after turtle pointed it out, next step is black magnets for it😂

[tender haven]

You're getting good at blaming me 😂

[feral pumice]

Well hey, you did point them out, but i am getting good at it, people bat an eye if i say im doing this, but if i mention you its normal

[tender haven]

Lol

[feral pumice]

Made some small drill jigs for the square tube so I can drill it tomorrow, just to get a rough position of where it should be

Hopefully that goes well, then I’ll probably order the top and door panel, and install my Y rails

Don’t really wanna install the rails too early, or atleast when it’s not fully enclosed, they’ll probably sit for a while without any movement due to a lack of… well… my entire gantry

[feral pumice]

Completely forgot theres a danish (or swedish? i forget) company that can cut 6mm PC for relatively cheap, 6mm top and front door has been ordered for $80-90, same price as my deck panel...

[feral pumice]

Okay summary for tonight 😂

Ordered 695 bearings from NSK
Ordered top panel, and door,
Ordered magnets,
Ordered black heat inserts

To order;
M4x2.5 setscrew
F695 bearings from NSK
IKO linear rail for X (Gonna order bearings and rail together from alchemy)

[feral pumice]

Just drilled the tube out, tapping it now

[feral pumice]

Doesn't look like a SUAFT will fit this build, but a chamber heater should fit nicely

[feral pumice]

Currently printing top panel clips (thanks turtle), then gonna get onto printing the door stuff

[feral pumice]

Gonna take a break printing parts for tonight, just noticed my z offset is completely messed up, gonna give up on kirigami and print parts for the CNC bed tomorrow, just need a wago holder initially

This z offset changes based on the rain conditions of some far away nation, hoping a more rigid mount will help, but also tearing down my only printer is risky, so printing 3x of everything I need to do the swap, and hoping the ASA can hold up until I make one out of PPS lol

[gaunt skiff]

Why not go for a stealthmax in the back

[feral pumice]

I’ll import it and see how it fits

[feral pumice]

https://likes.cat/i7hk9w8v.png

It's uh, pretty large

Don't immediately think theres anywhere i can stuff that into

[gaunt skiff]

it sits on the back panel

outside the printer

that's why I suggested it
no space issues inside

[tender haven]

cantliever z has a steel panel inside the printer

then nick has 5mm solid aluminuim panels outside

so outside options are not ideal

[gaunt skiff]

but I would go with the v1 so you can do DOPM
normal version requires a voron style cutout at the top
DOPM requires round holes to mount (which you can drill yourself)

[feral pumice]

Either way, i don't have a free back panel

[gaunt skiff]

hm
maybe add ducts internally

[gaunt skiff]

put it on the top

dopm can go on any panel
just drill the wholes with the drill guide

[feral pumice]

Mounted to the top pc panel?

[gaunt skiff]

yeah

[feral pumice]

Gonna figure out my ebay and heater situation first, then I'll have a look

the dual SSR looks promising

[feral pumice]

Almost done with door parts now

[feral pumice]

Hinges are on

[tender haven]

wow thats a really clear door

[feral pumice]

spent an hour polishing it

now that you're here, https://likes.cat/reuvf7a4.png

5.5mm version of the handle spacer still using just 2x 6x3 magnets? it seems to fit 3

[tender haven]

maybe its more now

[feral pumice]

seems to fit 3, ill just use 3 and cry later if that doesnt work

Extra glue is getting removed soon from the inlays

[tender haven]

Such calm music for building

[feral pumice]

oh right

yeah gotta calm the nerves, the inlays for the mmu printable hinges didn't fit until i scaled to 99% lol

but hey 3x 6x3 magnets fits nicely in the door handle + 5.5mm spacer

[tender haven]

you having your handle upside down from cad, made me realize that its upside down in the docs

[feral pumice]

oh right, in cad its the right way around

let me just uh

fixed

[tender haven]

I read up on which way the text should go, and most say it should read normal if you tilt your head to the left

[feral pumice]

yeah that does make sense lol

[tender haven]

you got exited with the glue

[feral pumice]

my thumb did, kept dipping it in the ca glue

i got some ca debonder ont he way which'll hopefully help lol

[tender haven]

I just placed small drops into the letter pockets

[feral pumice]

yeah see i tried that

[tender haven]

then pressed in the letters

[feral pumice]

small blobs were small until i smeared it everywhere

[tender haven]

tiny drops

lol

[feral pumice]

just gotta wait for my panels now, printing the 2040 l/r and the upper inside magnet things

Also the upper frame door catch specifies 10x2mm magnets, had to go re-check, it should be 10x3

https://likes.cat/72wj9hof.png

[tender haven]

opps, that was the old spec

[feral pumice]

Prints are done, installing now then heading to bed, and then i gotta play the waiting game

[feral pumice]

It’s all installed now, just have to play the waiting game for all my stuff..

[feral pumice]

Re-printing deck panel parts after some feedback from here,

Doing a red + black color scheme, the magnetic clips now have a red lip instead of being all red, and I'm doing half and half on the deck panel trim pieces, to see how that looks, only printing the very front ones for now

https://e-z.tools/ic9rem8j.png

[feral pumice]

What do we think of red black deck trim pieces, + magnet clips?🧐

[tender haven]

What about red bottom and black top

[feral pumice]

Maybe actually, I’ll have to play working with it and see, also gotta check how the rest of the deck trim pieces look

[feral pumice]

the council has decided to put this change into effect

[feral pumice]

Very happy with this

Definitely gonna multicolor basically all my prints now…

Made some changes to the pause and resume macro to make it easier aswell

[tender haven]

Yeah I think that with red clips will balance out well

[feral pumice]

bad news

[tender haven]

Do over time

[feral pumice]

Hm

[tender haven]

I think solid red is the call on those for 2 reasons. Break up the black, and slightly easier to find where you placed them any time you remove them to work on the electronics

They love to hide

[feral pumice]

Yeah, I just feel like full red is very intense

[tender haven]

I found 4 of them on the cantilever z bed frame 😂

Mmu up the din stuff

That's your main issue

To much red in the electronics bay

[feral pumice]

Yeah I’ll keep both the clips and not install any magnets yet, then re print wago mounts and DIN rail mounts

Sigh, be back in a few weeks

if all goes well (and i have enough filament) I should be able to do 2 more prints of this plate tonight, and then just have to do 1 tomorrow

Then I can get started on DIN drop brackets and such

[tender haven]

Remind me to upload the longer drop brackets

They are just 10mm deeper or longer

How ever you want to view it

More space for the fans to breath

[feral pumice]

sure, dont think I'll run them because my fans are sideways anyway, but i got u 😂

https://e-z.tools/k10l5jsr.png

[feral pumice]

Half of my trim pieces are done now, gonna do my dropbrackets and see if i can have those done by the end of tonight

Then do my wago mounts tomorrow

[feral pumice]

https://e-z.tools/x8uwvlz5.png

[tender haven]

why the backwards logo

[feral pumice]

its a left and right, so itll be mounted on the other side

[tender haven]

slice and mirror in fusion so you dont have dumb logos

[feral pumice]

Ah yeah right

dont really know how that slipped past me.. thanks for noticing lol

[feral pumice]

@tender haven too few red layers right

[tender haven]

yeah I thought that would be to few from looking

probably need 4-5 layers, maybe 8

[feral pumice]

yeah this is 3, I think I changed it to 6 or something, gonna look

Probably will print these tomorrow, it has like 6 changes which I just don’t wanna deal with tonight😂

[tender haven]

should only be 2 changes?

start with black, change to red, then change to black

[feral pumice]

It does some funny shenanigans in the middle, I’m just using the fill range thing in orca, not sure if there’s a better way

Let me get a video

https://e-z.tools/5c1vomcd.png

[tender haven]

your doing it wrong

I am so helpful

[feral pumice]

🥲

how do i go about doing it right

or was this just a general statement without knowing what im doing wrong 😂

[tender haven]

slice with one color

no painting

what ever the first color is

[feral pumice]

Oh then just pause on layer?

[tender haven]

then do that

[feral pumice]

oh

oh.

Why didn't you tell me that before i showed you how i was doing it?!

[tender haven]

I thought that is whata you were doing

[feral pumice]

You think I know how to do stuff properly?

[tender haven]

You can fake it some times

[feral pumice]

fake it till turtle makes it

would ya know it

https://e-z.tools/qtrp22yf.png

well fuck now i have to do it

[tender haven]

lol

[feral pumice]

4am it is

I just recently noticed how angry the sherpa gets if the tip isnt the right shape

[tender haven]

downside of 3mm id bowden

[feral pumice]

the orbiter didn't give a fuck, i could've fed that thing hay

the sherpa will not take any filament loading unless its cut at a 45 degree angled and polished with a microfiber cloth

[tender haven]

metal sherpa?

[feral pumice]

yeah

so i cant even pop the 3mm tube off at the actual sherpa, that thing is also BOLTED on

[tender haven]

yeah thats because 3mm id tubing into a flat bore

with a 2mm hole

[feral pumice]

that metal ecas is the bane of my existence, i literally cant get the tube out, so i just pull the other end 😂

[feral pumice]

Ahhh

I'm still gonna whine about it ,but now i know why

[feral pumice]

Came out better color wise

Swapping these will be a royal pain

[feral pumice]

1 in, 3 to go..

[feral pumice]

Printing the last dropbracket now, I've installed 2/4, i think nr 2 was by far the worst

I'm not looking forward to the wago mounts, open to feedback on how to print those, might need to do like supports or something

This is how they'll look ideally
https://e-z.tools/ivd42d2z.png

https://e-z.tools/h49u7las.png
But since they're at an angle, this neds up being like 31 changes or something crazy like that

i might try to put them at like a 15deg angle to see if supports can make let me print them "flat"

[tender haven]

support away

[feral pumice]

https://e-z.tools/u1jmmqqw.png

thats gonna be rough

[tender haven]

normal support

dont use tree or orgnaic

[feral pumice]

yeah still a huge gap, so im messing with the spacing and distances

[tender haven]

your doing it wrong then

[feral pumice]

https://e-z.tools/ztinvrqq.png

https://e-z.tools/pjvfczvu.png

[feral pumice]

https://e-z.tools/0uzjzt8i.png

seems like a big space but might be fine?

[tender haven]

send it

blame @icy cargo if it doesnt work

[feral pumice]

gotcha gotcha, will do that after this last dropbracket

[icy cargo]

That's good with me, I blame myself for a lot of things that don't work. 😅

[feral pumice]

Warming up the chamber for it now

Dropbracket finished and came out "okayish"

bottom surface is gonna be very ugly, but hopefully it survives

[feral pumice]

eh it had a mess up somewhere, I'm gonna finish the print but damn its ugly

rough looking

definitely not an ideal bottom surface

[trim terrace]

Add an extra layer down there then sand it down

[feral pumice]

I do have to mess with supports regardless, but good idea, ill probably cut the model to just after the supports end, and mess with some settings

[gaunt skiff]

for abs/asa set the interface fan speed high
I can run 0.05mm interface offset with that method

[feral pumice]

How high are we talking roughly? With dual 4010's I have a static speed of 35% currently

[gaunt skiff]

sb with delta 5015
100%

[feral pumice]

Okay I need to turn down the fan speed a good mount, crazy warping 😂

[feral pumice]

75% Fan seems better, but supports are a bit too close to be able to get them off, playing more around with it now

[feral pumice]

My bearings got delayed :(

[viral grove]

Where did you get your dual uhp mount for your psu’s

[feral pumice]

I think I found the og in turtles heavy metal build, and just made it fit the UHP 350's

[tender haven]

I think they are mine, buried in my red Merc build thread

[feral pumice]

Yeah I just made these big boys

[tender haven]

I keep putting off saving out the step files and putting them as in one spot to share properly

[feral pumice]

dual 200 mount, dont know what is right and left, turtle didnt label

😂

https://e-z.tools/sw0zy1ac.png
Another little build addition

[tender haven]

I have 200/350 mounts some where as well

[feral pumice]

Ahh, i have dual 350 😂

[viral grove]

Thanks I’ll find it, now I know where to look!

[feral pumice]

getting better atleast, needs a bit more distance

[tender haven]

That looks useable

[feral pumice]

Yeah agree, supports are just a pita to get off, need to use the creality scraper to pry it

Gonna see if I can get it a tiny bit better, then try an actual print

[tender haven]

You have plenty of time to scrap

You don't plan to finish this build for awhile 😂

[feral pumice]

This build will never be finished😂

Still need the 500w PTC, the new ssr, my 20mm PIR that I have to cut down, uhhh, my panels, my square tube and stress concentrators

[tender haven]

I'm checking xometry too often....

[feral pumice]

For your panels?

Or for new parts you could get CNC’d

[tender haven]

Yeah

[feral pumice]

I sometimes just load up some step file on Xometry and jlc to see how expensive it would be to get it machined lol

$350 for cantilever feet in 6061 if you were wondering

[feral pumice]

without optimizing it

[tender haven]

😂

[feral pumice]

Damnn, I don’t get any cool progress indicator on my 6mm PC

They keep me in the dark

[tender haven]

I would be okay with that

[feral pumice]

One of the sites said that my package was packed up and shipped by (employee name), so if they arrive damaged, now I know who to blame 😂

[tender haven]

Then I wouldn't be checking 6 times a day

[feral pumice]

I would rather be able to check it every 3-5hrs so I can see every movement and get annoyed

[tender haven]

I would just be waiting for tracking around the time they give

Still a week from it shipping

[feral pumice]

I ordered from 3dkatten a week ago, thought they just didn’t do tracking or updates… but no, turns out it only shipped today

That’s all my belts, dehubbed pulleys, fans, belt clips, etc

[tender haven]

From small vendors I half expect that at times

[feral pumice]

yeahh I’m just spoiled by 3do, often same day packed and shipped and it arrives the day after

And 3dkatten is even closer, distance wise, since I’m close to the Swedish border

Got NSK bearings from both France and Ireland apparently, that’s cool, UPS fucked it up again and they’re delayed

[feral pumice]

Okay retrying a wago mount again, this time I’m yelling at both of you (warped and turtle) if it fails

[feral pumice]

Survived the supports, need to swap to red soon and try to remove the supports..

[feral pumice]

You two live another day

[feral pumice]

Printing the dual 415 now, then the triple 415

[feral pumice]

Last 415 is gonna be printed tomorr,w dont wanna do a color change at 5am ngl

Maybe I'll try to make a mount for the CPAP drivers and stuff aswell

[tender haven]

What else do you plan on doing at 5am?

[feral pumice]

Sleeping I hope

But I did just inhale a monster energy in record time so we’ll see

[tender haven]

[feral pumice]

Might figure out my insulation stuff, buy 20mm pir then just cut out where I need, but only to a thinner part, not completely remove

Dumb way of wording it, fx for the cpap, 20mm, then cut it down to 12mm right around it so it fits

Massively over complicating things

[feral pumice]

Big wago finished, gonna let it cool for a bit, then install that, along with the 2 remaining dropbrackets, and work on a cpap mount

[feral pumice]

Upped the DDR60G5's voltage to 5.2 thanks to turtle + Bsleep, had some wifi disconnect issues, not really a big issue for me, since I'm gonna hardwire it anyway.. but probably a owrthwhile change regardless

[feral pumice]

gonna screw this into the inner part of the cantilever setup, for the 2 thermistors, and the bed fan

Missing one of the 2x2’s lol

Also gonna let the printer simmer (stay on) overnight, to test if the pi drops out again after upping my voltage, if so I'm wholeheartedly blaming @tender fossil (and you, turtle)

[tender fossil]

Aside from bumping up the voltage, I now have my pi slightly overclocked and using over_voltage_delta to see if mine stops disconnecting

[feral pumice]

"i now have my pi slightly overclocked" is not a sentence i ever thought I'd read

[tender fossil]

Bumped it up to 1.8GHz

[feral pumice]

Ln2 cooling yet?

[tender fossil]

lol not yet

[feral pumice]

TIL these come individually packaged

[tender haven]

I didn't know that had those made in Indonesia

[feral pumice]

https://e-z.tools/vxl6lndg.png

yea i was concerned at first lol

anyway if anyone in here knows of a place a guy like me could get his hands on a 255x255x12mm ATP5 or MIC6 bed, let me know :D

[feral pumice]

Cpap tube installed on the toolhead, now I actually have to finish that little adapter piece that I never got started on..

[feral pumice]

Realized I’m an idiot, bought my smooth pins but didn’t realize it was one smooth pin, not a pack, so now I have a bunch of single smooth pins in different diameters and lengths, thinking I’d get 10 of each💀

[feral pumice]

Finished toolhead assembly, I'm now printing the FMG parts, just missing the last 4th pin mod, which is the top right insert

[feral pumice]

Finally got the proper screws for my panels, m5x14 FHCS, didn’t even realize but I bought them as Torx instead of hex, so that’s perfect, much better

[feral pumice]

Slight change of initial plans, friend can only reliably mill one side of my FMG, so I probably won't anodize my first set, it would be raw stock on one side, and dont know how the anodization would look on that

[feral pumice]

reminder for myself tmrw, gotta print the center skirts x2, and finish cad on the 3rd one to fit the PCB

[trim terrace]

How raw is raw? Could you feasibly use some sandpaper on glass to get a nice surface finish?

[feral pumice]

Raw stock, don’t have it infront of me so unsure on the state of it

[feral pumice]

Weird. With the Pi voltage up at 5.2v, it kept the WiFi for way longer, but disconnected after 4 Days.

[feral pumice]

Ignore the horrendous bend, I'm not redoing this 😂

[feral pumice]

Got my 698-RS’ from NSK aswell

[feral pumice]

I remembered!

[feral pumice]

Top panel, and front door arrived today, gonna go pick those up a bit later and get them installed

then i need to actually put some brain power towards the insulation stuff, and how I'll get the cpap running

[feral pumice]

Panels acquired

[feral pumice]

update; immediately broke a door hinge, dropped a screw so panel was supported slightly less by my hand, snap

[feral pumice]

I suspect that my tapped PT1000 doesn’t have a great connection, might just drill out the taps and put in an actual PT1000, with some thermal paste

With a surface temp reader I get about 97c, pt1000 reports 89c and heater thermistor ofcourse reports 110c

[tender haven]

Just use a normal thermistor on the bed

Pt1000 is better for higher temps

And they do not seem to be as reliable

[feral pumice]

i only have a pt1000 on hand lmao

[feral pumice]

well, i guess now I'm just waiting for my FMG parts, rail, and bearings.

I have all the printed parts, i have my toolhead assembled, I have my enclosure, I'm ordering some PIR from spain?, 4 sheets of 600x1200x30mm for like $10 each, + shipping

Gonna start running endstop wires, and then I have to figure out my CPAP aswell

[feral pumice]

Ignore the test hole, measure once drill 4 times

[old tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/jensen-ackles-jensen-ackles-bluebox-i-hate-you-gif-12421701007500635430

[feral pumice]

😂

[feral pumice]

Got started on the little quick connect hub under the bed

I’ll be able to quickly connect / disconnect my 2x bed thermistors, and my bed fan

[feral pumice]

https://e-z.tools/2aczjx4n.png

Works nicely

[feral pumice]

Panel temp after heat soaking, room is hot now aswell😂 need that PIR to arrive

[tender haven]

Shiney

Did he check the bearing fit

And pin fit

[feral pumice]

He has none of the hardware, sadly, haven't been able to ship it to him and hes still a bit away

could get him some off of amazon, let me check what the bare minimum of things needed would be lol

So a 5x30 pin, f695, 698, and all other pins are also 5mm, so would just need the x30 pin

[tender haven]

Holes tend to be undersized with a CNC machine

So you need to run a negative offset

[feral pumice]

Gotcha, would he just need a 5mm dowel, an f695 and a 698?

[tender haven]

Yeah

[feral pumice]

ordered then, tyty

[feral pumice]

Major setback, parts printer, and only other printer, has a cracked bed, won’t be able to get a new heater and magnet for it for a while.

[feral pumice]

Gonna run some temporary cpap wires just to get it configured,

Gonna modify the deck trim piece to have a little cutout and passthrough included, then cut it in the deck panel, so I can feed the wires through neatly, haven’t decided if it’ll be a keystone or just a loose passthrough just yet.

[feral pumice]

Cpap passthrough has been made, eventually I’ll extend the deck trim piece to also be there with a keystone to make it look nicer

[feral pumice]

Damn

[feral pumice]

Sadly can't do much about the ugly mounting of the bldc driver stuff, this is the only cpap mount I've got, so I just have to deal with it for a bit

[south finch]

no metal cpap?

[woeful talon]

yeah, wheres the ac cpap? xD

[feral pumice]

Idk the heatsink kinda threw me off, I’d have to mount it outside my chamber

[south finch]

aw

[woeful talon]

surely all your solid metal panels would do plenty of heat spreading?

[feral pumice]

The only metal panel it could be mounted to would either be my back panel, or the internal steel panel, both of which would be in an 80-90c chamber

[tender haven]

Will that Cpap even survice those chamber temps?

[feral pumice]

The 400w cpap? prob not
the ws7040 generic one? also prob not

need to put a muffler on the back, then run a cpap passthrough

[tender haven]

put all your panels on

close door

run cpap

it will not be as loud, also the PIR will help

[woeful talon]

just watercool the cpap

[feral pumice]

I moreso mean at the 80-90c chamber, I'm not sure the actual ws7040 would survive, so I'd like to put it on the outside of the panel, on the back

That should help survivability

[tender haven]

roof mounted cpap

mounting it inside the ebay would probably work the best

feed through the deck panel

[feral pumice]

my ebay is already filled to the brim 😂

https://e-z.tools/5avnw11s.png

I think burgo used to stock some M32 cpap hose passthroughs? Don't think they're still on the store, but might see if I can find some similar ones

[viral grove]

On the octopus pro you can flip the board 180 and get the fans to fit inside the skirts to gain more room

its a pain to get it in their but you can gain another din rail in their

and mount the cpap on another din rail

[feral pumice]

Shortened my wires a bit for the cpap, since I’ll be moving it around, thanks both for suggestions, I hate making decisions so im gonna delay it for as long as possible

[tender haven]

You know that you will not see that red on your deck panels once you add the PIR, right?

[feral pumice]

Yeah but you told me to add it so it’s your fault

I know it’s there in spirit

[tender haven]

they are probably why your bed broke

[feral pumice]

Also ignore the extremely cursed cpap mount

[feral pumice]

Sensitive subject 😂 too soon

[tender haven]

never to soon

[feral pumice]

I’m now fighting these roll in t nuts

Which are supposed to make my life easier

[tender haven]

the will never move in those 2040s, so they hold position pretty well

[feral pumice]

Yeah but this is 2020’s, my issue is, they roll in nicely, but then they keep fucking rolling, I had 2 where the ball stayed pressed up, so they fell out of the frame

[tender haven]

thats a roll in issue, they are a hit or miss on qc depending on who you get them from

I have some brands that are a dream to use

others are trash

[feral pumice]

Don’t even know what these are, paid a hell of a lot for them, 3do stocks them

25usd for 100 roll ins

[tender haven]

they just order from who ever in china

and probably havent paid attention to how well they work

most do not seem to understand the qc issues that some brands can have, might also just be RNG on batch to batch orders

they are made from extrusions, and the die's wear over time

[feral pumice]

Yea im just ordering from ali next time

I have like $100 in t nuts and it’s 4 bags

💀

[feral pumice]

Keenovo can make me a v0 heater at 200w 230v ac for the same price as their regular v0 heaters, with upgraded lomax glue that’ll hold 270c peak, dang

[feral pumice]

Looking at an anti vibration cpap mount, seems cool

[stable jay]

wait what??? can you please send a pic of this?

[feral pumice]

It’s just a printed clamp ring with some foam tape, and some rubber anti vibration standoffs that go into the mounting

Nothing special, but seemed cool

[stable jay]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-engineer-gif-23869806

[feral pumice]

Still no eta on the v0 bed

[feral pumice]

eta from now is 6 days until the v0's bed is delivered, i've also gotten my chamber heater, so thanks @viral grove for the advice on thermistor and fuse

[viral grove]

You got a big boy, that'll be a suana in your chamber

do not drill through these

[feral pumice]

500w 220v, and yeah not drilling through the fins haha, do you have pics of where you drilled for the fuse and thermistor?

[tender haven]

Yours has a resettable thermostat on it

[feral pumice]

V0 bed is here, time to install that and get to prototyping tomorrow

[viral grove]

I just saw this, and let me check

[tender haven]

That's a cheap one that didn't include the safety thermostat switch

Nick doesn't need to add anything to his

[feral pumice]

Ur telling me my $8 PTC is bougie?😂

Good to know thanks

[tender haven]

The good ones are still affordable

Also the fact that PTC heaters draw less power the hotter they get is another built in safety

[feral pumice]

Haven’t looked at the actual product site apart from when I ordered, does the thermostat also handle being a fuse or would it be beneficial to add a thermal fuse on it somewhere

[tender haven]

The big risks are melting plastic mounts and burning up fans

And they are not isolated circuits

So zappy

[feral pumice]

Fun fun, I’ve got a metal mount and a SLM fan duct for them I need to tap, it’s got 15 or 25mm of clearance to the back steel panel of the cantilever, so should be ok I think

[viral grove]

Yeah its a live circuit, also they are hard to outrun like turtle said fan going bad or mount melting is the worry

[tender haven]

If it gets too hot, it trips the thermostat and will not close until it cools down

[feral pumice]

Ahhhh gotcha

Thanks both, I’ll need to mess with it in person at some point, I don’t even have my dual SSR yet

[tender haven]

Ht server has better info

And the GitHub with the parts for it

[viral grove]

spicy meatball

[feral pumice]

Ah yeah ofcourse lol, forgot abt the spicy meatball GitHub, will reference that stuff

[viral grove]

https://github.com/GiulianoM/PTC_Heater_Mount

[tender haven]

I guess that do not really cover what you want in a heater

[viral grove]

also turtle thats not where the thermal fuse is in mine thats where the thermistor is

its placed inside

[tender haven]

You bought a cheap one without safety's

No fuse for thermistor needed with the ones they recommend

[viral grove]

Yes i know i added a thermal fuse in a different spot

better to have a thermistor inside the heater for saftey & being able to PID the heater

[feral pumice]

At some point I might play around with the bearing stacks, replacing the 695's with 695 W5 bearings instead

Way in the future though, I do like my NSK's

[viral grove]

What is a 695 W5?

aw 5mm wide

[feral pumice]

Yeah, I'm not too knowledgable on bearing stacks, but is there a reason load wise, that we use shims for them? Or could I just stack a W5 between 2 normal F695's and still get the 10mm total stack

[tender haven]

No shims for 9mm?

[feral pumice]

🤦‍♂️ i theoretically may have been looking at the 6mm stacks..

well, if i ever wanna do 10mm belts, i know what to do lmfao

[tender haven]

Maybe you can fix your sleep habits next year

[feral pumice]

Maybe... don't get your hopes up

Oh yea, going to visit my friend in ireland soon, I'll make sure he gets the plates made while i'm there, ill bring a 698, f695, and a 5mm dowel pin so we can test fit things 😂

So I'll be coming home with a full FMG set, then I'm just missing my X rail, and F695's

[woeful talon]

nice
when are you getting those?

[feral pumice]

Whenever I dare reach out to alchemy about them, id estimate in February? Ish

[woeful talon]

damn ok

[feral pumice]

Got my shit together and started working on the v0

So far I've

Got the magnet attached,
Wired up the thermistor
Tightened down the bed,

Gonna redo my wiring to go from AC to DC, then I'll start working on my first layer

[feral pumice]

In Ireland currently getting my FMG parts made;

When I get home im gonna research anodizing them

Order F695-RS bearings from NSK through 3dkatten,

Install my new Crydom dual SSR

Order my chamber heater mounting and fans,

Then I’ll only be missing my linear tail to have a working merc :)

[feral pumice]

Small update for the v0, ordered a Dragon UHF heatshield

[feral pumice]

Got the new SSR installed, missing the molex connector for the signal pins, but gonna start wiring up the bed again now,

Won't wire up the chamber heater until i have the mount and fans for it, but should be pretty straightforward

[feral pumice]

Also ordered my goliath heatshield (finally), and the SLM duct for my heater, along with the 5032 fans, and some high temp grease just incase.

[feral pumice]

After tallying up everything, from what I can tell, the only thing missing now is

A few dowel pins, and an IKO rail from Alchemy3d, both of which I'll be ordering once ive got the rest of my new parts installed, since the wait isn't long and i dont wanna drown in things to get done lol

Need to order some black foil and PIR aswell to finish up the looks, then I’ll get the v0 printing to prototype the cpap passthrough I’ve been complaining about

[woeful talon]

Are you planning on getting any special gantry?
Lw cnc alu or alu, ti, carbon or steel tube?

[feral pumice]

Originally I was planning on a square tube as a gantry, but I think initially I’ll just run a normal extrusion, the square tubes I got ahold of weren’t flat whatsoever

[feral pumice]

The printer is now running on the new SSR (Crydom CC2425W2V), it's a Dual SSR so I can control both my chamber heater and my bed at the same time in the form factor of a single SSR

https://e-z.tools/y7i7cgbl.png

[south finch]

hot extruder

[feral pumice]

Printing the sun

Gotta wait for my SLM duct and fans, then I can get the heater mounted

[feral pumice]

Been contemplating how I'll handle the CPAP, etc. especially with how optimistic, or stupid, my plans for temps is,

I've started looking into the Mammoth muffler, should be able to drill and tap holes in my alu plate, and worst case, i can just flip it around if i don't like how it looks.

I could run my CPAP tube and my filament path through there, maybe even my toolhead cables (not sure how i feel about having those leave the chamber fully just to somehow get back in later, sounds like it would look pretty dumb)

[feral pumice]

Integrated the anti vibration mount into the mammoth, will put a fresh spool in tomorrow and try to print it, then see how things go

about a 5hr print for the main body, 1hr for the endcap

sadly the actual cpap passthrough wont fit, so the merc might have to run in limp mode once i get my parts ( limited Y so i don't squash the cpap tube)

[tender epoch]

Is this yavath? How do you like it?

[feral pumice]

Yeah Yavoth on the v0

I like it, dual 4010, 2510 for the hotend fan, using a dragon uhf and a sherpa mini

[feral pumice]

Got the LED Pcb from my friend, I don't think I packed it well enough, the last 2 LED's are dead, presumably a bad solder joint, i don't have a microscope nor steady enough hands to fix it

but 35/37 work

[feral pumice]

Found someone else using the IKO C lube rails,

1: they aren’t good for toasty chambers, stay under 80c😒

2; they’re also not good for printers in general, will need re lubricating despite being self lubricating

3; gonna go on the hunt for new rails I suppose

Looks like I might go Airtac once I run into issues

[tender haven]

That didn't last long

[feral pumice]

Most of my dumb decisions don’t

[feral pumice]

Oh someone I know has contacts at factories for genuine hiwin rails

[tender haven]

Bst automation for airtachs, message them

[feral pumice]

Yea brazuka also recommended airtac

[tender haven]

Is that what you ordered then

[feral pumice]

Yup

theyre pretty cheap

[tender haven]

I should order some one day

[feral pumice]

I'm paying like $130 for 3 rails, and an extra carriage

[tender epoch]

That’s cheap?

[tender haven]

For high quality rails, yes

They are hiwin quality, maybe better

[feral pumice]

Well seeing as my IKO was $180 for a single rail

3 rails and an extra carriage for 130 is fine by me

[tender epoch]

Honest questions here; are HoneyBadger high temp, or whatever west3d has for high temp not good enough? Is genuine hiwin high temp? Where do things fall in a quality and price line up? Also, these are just the 330mm mgn12h, right?

For AirTac is that the LRM guide series?

[tender haven]

Nick is going for 100c

[feral pumice]

Well these aren't high temp rails, high temp rails are all metal, these still have plastic endcaps,

Hiwin probably has some stuff that is rated for higher temps, but thats not why i chose these rails

[tender haven]

grease is what matters the most for high temp

[feral pumice]

Yeah

[tender haven]

and "high temp" is very vague. What temp do you consider high temp?

[feral pumice]

This isn't for high temp stuff, this is mainly just because I want nice rails, and the IKO rails were sold on a pitch that doesn't quite work with our usecase

[tender haven]

some consider 65c high temp, others set the bar at 80, 100, 120, 150, 200

[feral pumice]

What to expect of this?

    High quality rails made from 440C stainless steel by IKO Nippon Thomson
    Medium preload
    Smooth operation```

This makes the rail look amazing, and im sure its super smooth for their intended use,

it is not intended to be used flying around at mach fuck in a 3d printer with a bunch of particles in the air, and in a hot chamber

So 'it is not recommended to remove or re-lubricate the motion system, as it is designed to be self-lubricating and sealed' doesnt quite hold up to that

[tender epoch]

I would think 90-110c is high temp and hotter is probably pushing the boundaries at home. I’m trying to build one printer to hold 65c chamber and was looking krytox or the mobilux grease but I don’t know what I’m doing so……..

[tender haven]

anything over 80c requires a lot more planning, plastic connectors and fans are not rated for those temps

[feral pumice]

Yeah

I've like, 40% planned for it

So my printer will work until it doesn't

and when it doesn't, goddamn am i gonna complain about it

because really, who could've seen it coming

[tender haven]

why did my cpap melt????

[feral pumice]

Hey that’s outside my chamber now

[tender epoch]

“Sir, we’ve tried nothing and we are all out of ideas!”

[feral pumice]

Turtle has been here every step of the way giving me scenarios I hadn’t planned for

Such as ‘when the printer runs -‘

I hadn’t even thought that far

[tender epoch]

Haha

[tender haven]

I even helped point up the upside down rail install

[feral pumice]

Too soon

Still traumatized

Oh also @tender haven since I’m doing the mammoth muffler for the cpap, it also has a filament entry, so I can for no reason whatsoever do a 5mm hardcoat ano top structural panel

what an interesting concoction of words

[tender haven]

lol

[feral pumice]

Finally got an actual time for anodizing the parts at a lab, here on Thursday they should have a time slot

3dkatten has my bearings, dowel pins, and closed loop belts on the way, and I’m waiting for the 3 Airtac rails

Then I’ll be running, and just need to solve my back panel and my PIR

Need to find a way to integrate the mammoth muffler, might buy a new panel but might also just cut the current one

[feral pumice]

Got my SLM parts

[feral pumice]

Test assembly

got my JLC order, and my SLM stuff, noticed that the stepper bottom-center that i combined doesn't quite fit, im not sure if i wanna order new plates, or if i want to try to fix it myself

the 698 doesn't go in, so slightly annoying but might be able to sand it or something

[feral pumice]

Fixed the stepper tower issue just waiting for dowels and bearings now

[feral pumice]

Gonna re print things with black inserts, too much red back here, also not a fan of the 2 types of red

Test fitting everything because I’m still missing my bearings

[buoyant wraith]

You doing awd or just 2wd 9mm

[feral pumice]

2wd 9mm for now, i'm down to explore awd in the future but there's no super refined one for the merc currently

[buoyant wraith]

[feral pumice]

Definitely prefer black

[woeful talon]

yeah, black is cleaner

[light pier]

did you use the same screws from the goliath to mount the heatshield?

[feral pumice]

No I had some m2x8 iirc, the other ones were m2x6

they were a bit longer atleast

[light pier]

ah okay

[feral pumice]

Panzarkatten mentioned that the F695's will be at his place tomorrow, then he'll ship my order(s)

[feral pumice]

My airtacs shipped today, and panzar shipped my bearings

[feral pumice]

Getting closer.

Front towers and XY joints are done, gonna re check stepper inserts, then build stepper towers today hopefully

[woeful talon]

damn those CNCd and anodized plates look so clean

[feral pumice]

Missing 4 bearings to finish both stepper towers, ordered them, even with Misumi express shipping they can be shipped to panzarkatten on the 17th, when they arrive i've got no clue, then he also has to ship them to me which'll take 2-3 days

So hopefully by the 23rd?, I should also have my rails by then

[feral pumice]

Still playing the waiting game, ordered all the wire and crimps necessary to fix up the toolhead aswell, aiming to have it moving and printing by March

[feral pumice]

Ordered a few ThermEx borads from simon, so i'll have thermistors out the ass soon

[feral pumice]

Rails are estimated between 17th and 19th.. would be really nice to get those installed soon so I can get the gantry on

My bearings should also ship at some point during today (17th), from Misumi to 3dkatten, that’ll be 2-3 days, then shipping to me, so about a week?

[feral pumice]

https://e-z.tools/epgorsf2.png

Bearings arrived to Panza, he's shipping those out soon,

Also just paid the import and handling fees for my rails. I'm expecting to have them in the next 2-3 business days, so hopefully by wednesday

[feral pumice]

Calibrating dual loop now thanks to bsleep, had some issues both with kalico as a whole (self inflicted, im an idiot) and with the initial dual loop setup, all seems to work fine now

ignore the missing camera, haven't made a cable passthrough yet lol
https://e-z.tools/z20aqy2s.png

[feral pumice]

Rail time today

Also, had some issues with dual loop PID.

I set the inner loop (heater pad) to a max of 125 initially, this only barely let the plate heat up to 104c, tried 135 on the heater which is the maximum im comfortable with before I get a custom heater with lomax glue.

At 135 it still couldn’t PID the bed at 110c, so had to do it at 100

[tender haven]

Did you pid with the bed fan on

I had to run my bed at 80% max without the bed fan, 100% with the bed fan.

[feral pumice]

I tried at 50%, it wouldn't reach above 102c at 125 max internal

then i tried 0% and it still would reach like 105 or something

Upping the internal loop temp to 135 got me to 110c max but it took a good while

[tender haven]

Mine isn't fast, but I can't recall how long it takes

[feral pumice]

I think i let mine go for about an hour? the plate never reached 110c with a max inner of 125

It would hit 101 ish, then ofcourse PID would want it at 112.5, and it would take way too long to reach, even with the verify heater set to 1c every 300 seconds

[tender haven]

I also do not run the double pid stuff though

[feral pumice]

Yea that’s what caused it, this uses the heat pad at 135 max which isn’t enough for the bed to hit 110 for whatever reason

I think at 140 or 145c on the pad it would be fine but that’s more than I’d like

[tender haven]

I saw that until I ran the bed fan

Bed fan murders the pads thermistor reading

Probably still hitting 150 outside of the bed fan

[feral pumice]

RAILS

[tender haven]

Make sure you pay attention to logo orientation this time

[feral pumice]

I won't install these until after i get my motor towers installed, but dw i am looking out for it

[tender haven]

Why wait

Bolt a temp stop block in

[feral pumice]

I don't wanna have to move the rail up or down to get even spacing on both sides when i install the motor towers, figured its easier to just install those, then correct it before tightening down the rail

[tender haven]

Or just longer bolts in the rail

Then bolt towers on loose. Run the rails against the towers in the back

With front mount they can be flush

[feral pumice]

Yea I’ll just install the towers and push the rail against it in a bit

[feral pumice]

Warpedscale pitched an idea to me a while ago, which was to replace the ball bearings in a rail with some Si3N4 (Silicon nitride) ball bearings, figured, why not, so i bought an extra carriage for my Z1 airtac rail, for MGN12H they need to be 3/32", or in normal units, 2.38125mm, the ones I got are 2.381, and there's noticeable wobble in the rail.

They were cheap, and it sounded like a fun experiment to try on an extra carriage anyway, but will not be using it

Worked well for some, so sounded fun to try

[tender haven]

Yeah that's what they are labeled, but need to measure the ones you remove and the new ones using micrometers

[feral pumice]

Yeah but that’s more effort than im willing to go through, that’s why this was an extra carriage😂

It was fun to try for a one off, now I’ll put it on display or something

[woeful talon]

Ive been running ceramic ball bearings in my xy rail carriages for a while now and its working well
Didnt increase wobble for me

[feral pumice]

Got my last bearings! Gonna install that, and the stepper into my second motor tower, then get those installed, hopefully

[feral pumice]

Finished the stepper mounts, installing them now, also found a few m3 t nuts, so if i can find some m3x8 screws, i should be able to install them, and just change out the screws when i get my black ones

[woeful talon]

First print when?

[feral pumice]

Still gonna be a bit, some of the wire I ordered is on back order

But I can install steppers and if I have the screws, I can also install my rails today

[woeful talon]

Any titanium screws?

[feral pumice]

0 titanium in this entire build

[woeful talon]

Aww

Sad printer

It yearns for titanium xD

[feral pumice]

😂 I went for other fancy stuff, also saw that goldy broke like 3 titanium screws or something on his hotend

I’m also kinda looking at swapping toolhead… before even installing breakneck

UAP V6 with a sheet metal carriage does fit our belt path, and I already have a Goliath, would just need another extruder and a smaller cpap hose..

[woeful talon]

Ive only broken one on my backpanel
And i have titanium screws everywhere, so its rly not that bad

[feral pumice]

Yeah fair

I just get black coated screws everywhere

[woeful talon]

Rainbow ti gives you more accel

[feral pumice]

Wanna race then?😂

If I ever get this thing running

[woeful talon]

Build a 370 and we can race 😂

[feral pumice]

Surely it’s equal if you’ve got rainbow Ti screws and I don’t

[woeful talon]

I havent continued my speed benchy improvements this week
Gotta go to 50k accel soon
I want carbonara tho

[feral pumice]

Once the cad is released Brazuka is making me a carbonara

[woeful talon]

Oh yeah i think i saw the thread for that
Looks rly good

[feral pumice]

I would’ve done el fuego if it supported our belt path, but it doesn’t by stock and I feel like messing with the belt path will also mess up the COM or other aspects of it, so printed toolhead it is

[woeful talon]

Do u know the sphinx toolhead?
I like that its meant for dual cpap xD

[feral pumice]

Don’t think I’ve heard of that

[woeful talon]

Just saw it on insta

[woeful talon]

Probably hard to modify
Isnt it super over engineered with air cooling channels for the hotend and so on?

[feral pumice]

It’s pretty similar to UAP but made to be SLM printed

Either way I wouldn’t want to modify it, I don’t see anything good coming out of changing things that were made for a reason

[tender haven]

I would stick to silver screws with silver rails

[feral pumice]

fuck i forgot theyre silver

i got so used to black bc of my z rails

[woeful talon]

I should get rainbow rails for my rainbow screws

[tender haven]

Dreams of no silver crushed

[feral pumice]

I’m fine with silver as long as it fits

And isn’t an eyesore

[feral pumice]

Gonna grease Y rails and get those installed, my pulleys might be a smudge too high up, I guess we’ll see… I gotta learn not to loctite them before i let the belts run on them a bit

[feral pumice]

One rail installed, won’t fasten it properly until tomorrow when I have more time to use my gauge block

For now I’ll grease it up and get the other rail installed

@tender haven you thinking logos facing eachother, or facing the same way?

[tender haven]

Y logos face in, you cant see the outsides

[feral pumice]

Yea that was the plan too

Ignore the excess hanging out the back lmao

[feral pumice]

Both Y rails installed loosely, along with the XY joints and now the temporary X beam until I switch to Carbonara, need to handle the last rail, and toolhead stuff tomorrow hopefully, then it can start moving…

[feral pumice]

man I can't believe there's finally substantial progress on this thing

Plans for tomorrow when I get home:

*Align the Y rails using my 4mm gauge block

*Clean, grease, and install my X rail, also aligning that with the gauge block

*Install carriage clamp and maybe route belts?

*Try to order sheet metal from JLC so i can try the UAP V6 toolhead eventually

[feral pumice]

XY rails all mounted, aligned the Y rails with the gauge block, still need to align that

[feral pumice]

Need to adjust rail position a bit

[viral grove]

Every screw, this is madness

[runic escarp]

I agree, but I am so here for it! (and guilty of the same..)

[feral pumice]

Once the ZeroG Carbonara is finished, Brazuka is making me one :)

https://e-z.tools/jg6n1k7q.png

[tender haven]

I started doing every screw last year

[feral pumice]

im late to the trend

[woeful talon]

do you think that actually makes a difference?

[tender haven]

I don't think it hurts anything

[feral pumice]

Yeah it consumes double the screws

[tender haven]

Screws are not that heavy

[woeful talon]

where is he from btw? would it be cheaper than to get it shipped by fabreeko?

[feral pumice]

How’s that carbonara cad coming along

[feral pumice]

Portugal, and no it would be way more expensive from fabreeko than (presumably) china

[woeful talon]

so i can put more ti screws for more accel? 😮

[viral grove]

I thought I was every other screw but I just checked and I’m every screw to so I guess not madness lol

[feral pumice]

WE GOT FUCKING BELTSSSSS

These took me actual hours, I don’t like these clips.

[tender fossil]

lol those look like XOL clips. They’re such a pain

[feral pumice]

YUP

especially to get the same tooth count

like dude

my fingers are raw from this, and thats even with the callusses i have from playing guitar

BUT, theyre in, gantry isn't racked, tomorrow (6hrs) i get to clean my entire room up, and the rest of the house since i'll be having a friend over for 2 weeks lol

[feral pumice]

Already seeing some belt walk, gonna give it some tension tomorrow and see if they’re just sloppy and moving, if not I’ll measure and shim accordingly

[tender haven]

Some belt walk is normal

[feral pumice]

Tragic, bought some spacers to replace printed parts and I got some in silver

[tender fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-unacceptable-rob-landes-not-acceptable-cannot-accept-cant-be-accepted-gif-19405389

[stable jay]

Are these xol or archetype? I have to do the xol clips eventually and I'm hoping that I can get away with unbolting the tensioners and that it'll be easy after that

[feral pumice]

XOL and Archetype use the same clips afaik

[stable jay]

Okay then I just have no clue what the difference between those 2 toolheads is

Actually, lump a4t in there too

Kinda seems like they're all about the same

A4t is smoother

[feral pumice]

archetype is an ecosystem for a bunch of fan options

uses the same core n stuff for everything so its easy to swap ducts

[feral pumice]

WE GOT MOVEMENT ON X and Y

Don't have enough FEP nor crimps to wire up the endstops for now, so just using force move at 250mm/s 10k accel

[buoyant wraith]

No, slight difference. The xol/a4t clips are much better unfortunately

[feral pumice]

?

[buoyant wraith]

you're right, i mixed it up. i meant to say archetype has better belt clamps but i forgot that i was using this mod not an official one lol

https://discord.com/channels/1029426383614648421/1277081693664313386

i had a lot of issues with the normal ones just slipping

[feral pumice]

I noticed that one, but opted to stay with the normal ones, so far they seem to hold down 9mm gt2 epdm belts just fine

[buoyant wraith]

Gotcha, yeah if it works for you neat, for some reason I couldn’t get them not to slip at like 110hz

[feral pumice]

I think im at 210hz so far

[feral pumice]

We’ve now come full circle to a v0, uses springs for leveling😂

Initially these are 15mm springs, if the nozzle won’t reach I have 20 and 25mm.

[feral pumice]

Finally got around to ordering 5 sheets of FF-PIR, its 30mm thick so i'll need to cut it down to 20, and 15mm for some spots, and also get some foil for it

[woeful talon]

good luck with reducing large areas in thickness
how will you even do it? i guess the professional way would be using a hot wire?

[feral pumice]

Yeah the plan is either a Hotwire, or some kinda contraption to lay it flat and run another blade over it

[woeful talon]

i managed to reduce the thickness of a 5cm wide area by cutting in from the side
but idk how you would to it for a whole panel

[feral pumice]

A hotwire shouldn’t be too bad to make but might be annoying for a full panel

[buoyant wraith]

Why springs over shims and rigid mounts?

[tender fossil]

Nick enjoys the process of screws_tilt_calculate iirc

[tender haven]

it was my idea

shims limit how much you can adjust, but also do not allow any thermal flex

springs might work better, maybe

easy to test

[tender fossil]

turtle also enjoys the process of screws_tilt_calculate

[feral pumice]

Fedex has now delivered:

50 meters of 24awg FEP
50 meters of 20awg FEP
25 meters of 18awg FEP

10x of 2p, 3p and 4p microfit connectors, and about 1000 microfit 3.0 male and female gold plated crimps

And also the new metal spacers for FMG,

I won't be working on it more until my friend has left, which is tomorrow, so will spend the weekend disassembling it again.

Replacing the printed parts with metal spacers, shimming the bearing stacks correctly, getting endstops wired up so i can actually move it, and finally installing and wiring the toolhead.

Also got some matte black engine paint on the way, to paint the cantilever parts.

Will try either a hot-wire, or a insulation cutter with a few blocks to set the correct height, to cut the PIR.

[buoyant wraith]

Crazy bro ur gonna have your printer up before I do

[feral pumice]

Got the Y endstop mounted and wired now, gonna get the X temporarily installed before i actually get started on the umbilical, just so i can actually check stepper directions, mounts, etc.

[feral pumice]

Printing the rear cable arm now, then I'm gonna start planning the umbilical

[feral pumice]

https://e-z.tools/rt6dnbmn.png

WE GOT ENDSTOPS

[feral pumice]

So now that its moving... I'll be taking apart;

The gantry
Z setup
most of the frame

I've been moving it around a lot the past few weeks, I doubt that frame is still square, this gives me a chance to paint my cantilever setup (thanks turtle) and also make sure that its square one final time

[feral pumice]

Tuesday the weather looks to be clear, should be able to paint all cantilever parts there.

I'm gonna be taking it apart monday afternoon and probably night 😂

[feral pumice]

Currently stripping the frame

[feral pumice]

Painful

[feral pumice]

Spending a while shimming the entire FMG system currently, making sure that all my bottom belt bearing stacks are at 39.5mm over the Y extrusions, and things like the pulleys are at 39mm