unsure what to fix.

[sweet gust]

I've been trying to figure out what I need to change to fix my benchy.

It's got layer shifting issues and I assume cooling issues but when I change fan settings in orca I get the same results.

Pla at 210

[minor sky]

Possibly a lot of over extrusion. What extruder are you using?

[sweet gust]

Spider v3 @minor sky

[minor sky]

I think that’s your hotend.

Extruder is more likely to be the issue.

Also could be a 2 minute benchy lol.

[sweet gust]

Oh the motor

Stock 4240

@minor sky 56 min benchy

[minor sky]

Damn

Did it work in the past and what did you change recently?

[bright abyss]

Have you calibrated your e-steps yet?

[sweet gust]

i added the hydra mod

it worked fine before i added it

[sweet gust]

yes when i had just the merc setup

i just added 2mm lead and 2mm pitch screws

as in i just finnished doing it 2 min ago

[minor sky]

Have you checked your Z moves 50mm when told to and not more

Did you switch from Marlin to Klipper?

[sweet gust]

#1217920562643468481 message

my build log if it helps

[sweet gust]

yup klipper

[minor sky]

Did you calibrate the steps for the extruder? No idea what a stock extruder would be in Klipper

https://3dprintbeginner.com/extruder-calibration-guide/

[sweet gust]

yes

its a stock creality motor on a bowden tube, as im not using a dd yet

[minor sky]

Can you share your extruder section from your config?

[sweet gust]

new issue...

didnt work out like turtle said it would

lol

or im doing something wrong

[minor sky]

What’s the hydra doing? Can’t tell much by the video

[worldly urchin]

Looks like it is bound up like a mutha!

[sweet gust]

just saw this, ive gone over everything more then once now

still having this issue and im super lost as to why or what to look for to change

[sweet gust]

Benchy 2. Without input shaper settings turned on.

Benchy 1. With input shaper settings turned on.

[minor sky]

That’s ugly. Did you calibrate pressure advance?

[sweet gust]

ive attempted to yes

didnt seem to help tho

and when i set it to 0 the issue is still there

i should mention thats a 200% calibration cube too

i thought i might have had a loose bolt or something, but all of them are tight

[worldly urchin]

Straight lines seem to be stacking and extruding kinda ok, only when there is a directional change...

Maybe look at your slicer preview and see what flow is doing in those sections.

[sweet gust]

ill send picture in a second

i was going to have a friend send me a file

[worldly urchin]

Maybe check extruder current in Klipper or on the actual board and make sure filament path is clear and gears are snug.

[sweet gust]

to test if its my slicer

filament pathing is good

oh damn -.-

[worldly urchin]

What you can do is post a g-code file here and "we" can see all the slicer parameters if you are using ORCA.

[sweet gust]

i forgot my phone at work and now i have to turn on the printer the hard way

(i have smart plugs)

ill have the file i printed in a second

can you possible send me a file to print 😛

[worldly urchin]

you can try this but my start/end gcodes might cause it to not work.

it is the zero g moonman

what nozzle you using? extrusion width is 0.66 to 0.72mm

[sweet gust]

eva

with a spider v3

[round creek]

You're using a 0.6 nozzle correct

[sweet gust]

.4

[round creek]

Oh okay lol

[sweet gust]

.6 was the ender 3 😉

[round creek]

I've still been known to use 0.6 with a 0.4 nozzle but I've never gone bigger

[sweet gust]

(plumpkatt has been trying to help me fix this for months)

[round creek]

I use 0.7 with a 0.6 nozzle

Yeah I'm stumped as to what your issue is lol

That's why I've kind of held off on completing my build

And I was stumped on an issue of my own that I just finally sorted out

[sweet gust]

lol ima derp

ill know shortly

i changed it to my print start

[worldly urchin]

Your layer height is 0.15, that is outside of the "norm" IMO.

rule of thumb in my experience w/ a 0.4 nozzle is to adjust layer heights in increments of 0.04.

ie standard is 0.2 then 0.16 then 0.12 etc.

If I go less than 0.12 things get weird.

Also if your nozzle is 0.4 your extrusion width is way off IMO.

this is my 0.4 nozzle extrusion width.

[sweet gust]

oh wow

[round creek]

I totally agree with what he's saying

[sweet gust]

just saw this

lol

[round creek]

I experience the same with going under 0.12 layer height

[sweet gust]

okay well now to reprint

[round creek]

I like 0.2

That's usually my norm otherwise I'll drop down to 0.16

I try to keep it multiples of my nozzle size

Also smaller layer heights are more susceptible to heat creep

Not saying you're having a heat creep issue

[worldly urchin]

I had a threaded pole mount that I had to print in my "fine" settings to make sure that the threads would print right. I used 0.12 and it worked great, definately not my normal mode though, usually stick w/ 0.2 and adaptive if I need a fast part.

[round creek]

I just find that the noticeable difference isn't much

I really like 0.2 and if I really want it nice I'll do 0.16 but very rarely ever do I do 0.12 but if I go lower than that it'll get weird

Also don't you have a finer pitch Z screw?

I think you have the one that uses double the steps?

For whatever reason I have the numbers 800 and 1600

Who's eating who's spicy noodles lol

Don't know why I have noodles on the brain 🤦

🤣

[sweet gust]

lol

[round creek]

I do love ramen

[sweet gust]

i cant wait to see the results of this print

[round creek]

I didn't realize you were printing it 0.12 either

I never thought to ask

I assumed you were using a 0.6 nozzle as well

You have too many different printers

Lol

[sweet gust]

the only issue with it is the blobs

[round creek]

Which could be over extrusion because of pressure advance and/or retraction?

[sweet gust]

which is definitly from the moisture

[round creek]

I didn't think of that

[sweet gust]

oh and the pa

[round creek]

It has been super humid

I find that PA and retraction feed off of one another

[sweet gust]

pa hasnt been tuned

i turned it off

trying to fix the issues

[round creek]

In fact I've been reading that if you have pressure advance tuned properly, there's not much need for much retraction?

[sweet gust]

i think @worldly urchin fixed my issue

[round creek]

Awesome

[sweet gust]

the print i got is working

soo

im thinking it was those settings

[round creek]

It could have been something weird with your slice also by the way

[sweet gust]

idk how they got set like that

i think it was

[round creek]

You play with MF files

It's easy to accidentally change your settings when you load somebody else's MF

[sweet gust]

thats probably what happened too

[worldly urchin]

get your line width set correctly as well as your layer height then tune flow, retraction, and then PA

[round creek]

Very good point

And he's right too

You have to start over from scratch

[sweet gust]

i set it to what you had

[worldly urchin]

Should be fine.

[round creek]

Now that you have it set like that you should still run your tests to get your PA and retraction settings and flow

At least that's my opinion

[sweet gust]

idk how to find the correct height and stuffs like that

ive always guessed or asked plump lol

[round creek]

Just keep it in multiples of your nozzle size

[worldly urchin]

Flow is important as it can really throw off layer "even-ness" and PA

[round creek]

But to be honest lately I've been using 0.4 for my first layer and it's amazing

Doesn't matter if it's a 0.4 or 0.6 nozzle

0.3 also works really nicely

It helps hide any imperfections in your bed

[sweet gust]

kk

[worldly urchin]

That is my layer settings. If you wanted to keep things really simple you can set all "lines" to 0.4 and all "layers" to 0.2

[sweet gust]

kk

i cant wait to see if this works lol

first print witht he hydra if it is

[round creek]

This is a 0.6 nozzle printing at 0.7 with at 0.2 layer height

All the other prints you're used to seeing from me however are printed on a 0.4 nozzle using 0.6 line width add a layer height of 0.2

[sweet gust]

silk

?

[round creek]

Tricolor PLA

I suppose yes silk

But you've seen all my other prints and I follow the same things I'm telling you

This is the second test print on the ender 5

[sweet gust]

i wonder if ill have better luck with a .6 with silk

[round creek]

0.6 is awesome on a 0.4 nozzle. Just saying

Melvin taught me that and I was surprised

There's a lot of things such as the cactus vase or geode vase, it will fail if you stay at a 0.4 line with with a 0.4 nozzle

[sweet gust]

he taught us alot, even stuff we dont talk about lol

[round creek]

You have no idea

Lol

If I used the one trick people would lose their heads

[sweet gust]

the cold bed thing blew my mind

[round creek]

But damn an oiler works nice

🤦

[sweet gust]

i think its cause it cleans the filament

[round creek]

It does that but it also lubricates the heat break

[sweet gust]

deburrs the filament

[round creek]

I don't know what all it does but it works great

I use avocado oil

Mineral oil will make for a weaker print

[sweet gust]

yeah i ran out and got some avocado oil

[round creek]

And it does add a shine when you use an oiler

[sweet gust]

then one of my housemates fucking cooked with it

[round creek]

I don't use it that often anymore though

Using an oiler will almost eliminate strings and counter-react moisture in your filament

It sounds crazy and many disagree

[sweet gust]

ty @worldly urchin !!

[round creek]

Congrats

[sweet gust]

idk what it is about my slicer but my printer doesnt like it lol

and i just remade all the settings?

i have an idea

[round creek]

Try kira

Cura

[round creek]

Interesting I've never seen that setting

[sweet gust]

i had it set to core xy

cause

its a core xy

[round creek]

Makes sense to me

I have Cartesian marked

What are you using for retraction distance

And are you boating or direct drive

It looks boding to me?

[sweet gust]

bowden

atm

i gotta figure out how spicynoodles added the pause on any layer thing

[sweet gust]

@worldly urchin when you get a chance can you post your orca profile so i can learn from it

[sweet gust]

yes

pla

210/68 wat i normally print pla at

brass .4

i dont think it was ever binding

1 sec

let me post picctures of the model spicy sent

just did

[leaden beacon]

if this is bowden, remove the pressure advance value in the filament profile

[sweet gust]

yes

[leaden beacon]

bowden and pressure advance can be a pain to tune from what I have heard.

[sweet gust]

im going to put a dd on it

once i get it figured out

but didnt want to add more variables

were do i find that

ima nublet with settings

[leaden beacon]

210 can also be to hot for some pla's, can depend on the hotend as well

[sweet gust]

orca

[leaden beacon]

what hotend?

[sweet gust]

spider v3

ive printed 210 for months with it

[leaden beacon]

zero experiance with that one, not sure how accurate its thermistor location is.

okay thats good to know

have a known baseline of it working

[sweet gust]

k

make it that?

i didnt set that either 😄

all defualts

from turtles stuff

[leaden beacon]

where did you get that base config for? looks like the base config was setup for awd

[sweet gust]

working on that

[leaden beacon]

the speeds I defined in the base profile were fairly conservative

[sweet gust]

like this?

no vibration profile

i think my input shaper was crazy too

[leaden beacon]

have you fixed this?

[sweet gust]

i was told it was super virbrating

which one is that

[leaden beacon]

extruder

[sweet gust]

thjat should be close

the mercury was working before i added the hydra

[leaden beacon]

I would actually calculate it, and remove those commented out ones

[sweet gust]

then i did something

idk what i did

[leaden beacon]

https://docs.zerog.one/universal/klippercalculator#calibrating-rotation_distance-on-extruders

[sweet gust]

its a creailty motors

which should be able to use known defualts no?

oh

then the calulated distance

is this test

but the think is

[leaden beacon]

with extruders, the gear that pushes the filament is often created using what is called gear hobbing. And its often not super accurate in the final diameter

[sweet gust]

i used spicys slided file

and my printer worked perfectly

[leaden beacon]

so the gears vary a bit

[sweet gust]

i was hoping to get his orca settings

so try to slice it myself

im getting tired

i ment sliced*

[leaden beacon]

I believe newer ones that you see in more modern extruders use sintered gears, which are more consistent.

[sweet gust]

i sorry

lol

i just realized i have a dual gear extruder on it too

im using the same value i used on my ender 3 before i put the dd on

[leaden beacon]

This has nothing to do with your issues, but you can delete this section in your config since you have ztilt.

[sweet gust]

which worked well

[leaden beacon]

I am just looking over your config for any obvious issues

[sweet gust]

oh true

ty much

[leaden beacon]

You said you didnt do input shaper? it is definde in your config

and those numbers are very low

probably better to just remove those for now

[sweet gust]

i did, i was told it was crazy looking by klipper people

[leaden beacon]

okay good

[sweet gust]

i think it was because it has loose wires

[leaden beacon]

I have never seen a value that low

how did you tension the belts

[sweet gust]

the belt tensioner

tool

to 1.9

[leaden beacon]

okay that should be good

[sweet gust]

i hated that whole thing

it was super confusing

[leaden beacon]

also I have never used firmware retraction, not sure if you need to change the slicer settings to support it?

[sweet gust]

i also bought a didgetal one

i did changed it in the slicer so it knows

[leaden beacon]

as long as both are not fighting to do the same thing

should be fine

[sweet gust]

i normally used firmware stuff over slicer

i didnt know it was set in slicer

i agree with this

but idk how to do it properly

i thought i did it correctly

[leaden beacon]

if you are going to use firmware retraction, you need to enter the pritner settings and enable it there

[sweet gust]

already set 😛

[leaden beacon]

you showed the one area with it at zero, so I was worried 🙂

[sweet gust]

i thought 0 would disable it

not gonna fight ya

im just gonna turn it on

and disbale firmware

[leaden beacon]

I have heard some argue that firmware is better, but I like changing it in my slicer

[sweet gust]

just not sure how to do it

retraction in slicer

[leaden beacon]

you can enter the same valuse you have in firmware into the slicer

[leaden beacon]

There is a extruder tab

in pritner settings

[sweet gust]

i know 😛

[leaden beacon]

make sure advanced is checked

[leaden beacon]

6 might be to much? but I cannot recall what bowden likes for retraction

[sweet gust]

bligblue said to set 6 😛

[leaden beacon]

ohh okay

I thought it was around 3-5, been awhile though

[sweet gust]

i dont have my phone on me

or id post a picture

yay i think i clogged my hotend this past benchy i was printing lol

i knew it was a matter of time

i havent washed the bed in a while

[leaden beacon]

I used to use this retraction test http://retractioncalibration.com/

[sweet gust]

oh i was just using benchy cause i know it was messing up in the first few layers

[leaden beacon]

I think I got lost in how to get it to work with my start macro at one point, and stopped using it

but that is by far the best retraction calibration print I have ever seen

[sweet gust]

ive seen plump do this one before

looked amazing lol

the mesh one

[leaden beacon]

The gcode even includes a map

[sweet gust]

so what test should i do after i clear the clog

ima do it all tomorrow then post the results

true

but i think the wires probably still an issue

or will they tell you if my belts are off

i havent ziptied them the best yet

i was trying to get the housing on the eva

kk

is there a certin input shaper test

i should do

i know there are a few mods to do it

no

thats what i wanted to know

😄

https://github.com/Frix-x/klippain-shaketune

this

im assuming the macros are in the installer cause i dont see them in the readme

gotcha

oh

it stopped doing stuff

lol

[leaden beacon]

Cb1?

[sweet gust]

cm4

[leaden beacon]

Try it again

[sweet gust]

ctrl c to stop it?

[leaden beacon]

I dunno

[sweet gust]

idk linux well

[leaden beacon]

I am Linux dumb

[sweet gust]

that makes 2 of us

ty for help guys

ill post results tomorrow

goin to bed

installed and ready for tomorrow

[worldly urchin]

Hey man sorry I missed this, what are you looking for?

If you look at the very bottom of the g-code I sent you it has all my settings there. Think that is an ORCA feature.

FYI I use firmware retraction vs slicer one.

I have yet to find a simple way to export printer and filament settings directly from ORCA and had to weed down in the Windows file system to transfer them to another computer.

Concur w/ the the others on doing a retraction test. If your bowden is quite long and requires a long retraction > 3mm-ish you may need a little extra length on restart to get at the same pressure level in the hotend for proper extrusion. That might be a reach and I have no personal experience w/ that setting but maybe somthing to keep in the back of your head.

Are you using the stock E5 extruder setup w/ the side mounted stepper and long bowden? While not ideal that should work as long as the gears have good grip, the tube is nice and smooth w/ no zipties etc clamping the crap out of it and both tube connectors are not allowing the bowden to move in and out when extruding and retracting.

A quick and easy test to see if your nozzle is clogged or not is to heat up your hot end to normal printing temps and turn the extruder by the knob or do a quick extrude of 50mm at 5mm/s or so from klipper. It should shoot out quickly, cleanly, and relatively in a straight line. Your hotend has decent flow and should perform without issue i.e. no skipping at the extruder or the filament not coming out straight.

[sweet gust]

Can you export your profile

That you used to slice the file you sent me

[worldly urchin]

See if these work.

The last two files come from the following folder, I *think you should be able to drop them in there and poke around
C:\Users\(your username)\AppData\Roaming\OrcaSlicer\user\(some numbers)\filament

These are from C:\Users\(your username)\AppData\Roaming\OrcaSlicer\user\(some numbers)\machine

[sweet gust]

That looks perfect ty

[sweet gust]

testing profile now

ty for sending the 3mf file 🙂

SET_PRINT_STATS_INFO TOTAL_LAYER=[total_layer_count]

ty for teaching me about this spicynoodles

i think this is working

[sweet gust]

can never win, my probe stopped working and idk why

[round creek]

Murphy's law You need to kick his ass

He's been bothering me lately too

[sweet gust]

finally got a probe again

testing a benchy right now 😄

[sweet gust]

so i just found the ball in the back z to be out of the socket.

it was sitting ontop of it

[sweet gust]

figured it out, it was the motor pullys being misaligned..

[round creek]

Good job buddy

I'm not far behind