legacy z motion system on Mercury one .1

[oak cipher]

Ok so i wanted a stable z for my ender 5 conversion without spending another 300€ on Hydra so i looked in legacy z and went blind into it buy :
-2 m of 8mm rod (4x380mm)
-M5 and M3 screws
-1 lead screws (i reuse original one for the other side
What i kept from stock Z:
-one lead screws
-aluminum extrusion
-heater bed
-springs
-motor ( i stole one from the old X motion system )

*update mod have been tested and work great here is the printables page :
https://www.printables.com/model/773435-ender-5-mercury-one1-voron-legacy-dual-z-mod

Sry for my english btw

[earnest umbra]

you're french I forgive you 😆

[oak cipher]

Yes ...

[earnest umbra]

seriously now, didn't see anything wrong

[oak cipher]

Wrong in my english or my mod

[earnest umbra]

the English 🙂

as for the mod, would have been a nice option if I hadn't just gone mad with the stock bed a long time ago

[oak cipher]

I feel like it's gonna be good enouth

[earnest umbra]

don't see why not, unless the stock bed you got is absurdly deformed

[oak cipher]

It seems pretty flat 🤞

[dreamy salmon]

is this basically making the 5plus Z system for the smaller machines?

[oak cipher]

Not Realy because there IS bed traming here

[vernal light]

The plus stock system is bad in that the sides that connect the lead screws and the steel rods bows very bad. This wouldn’t.

[paper plaza]

this looks really cool. can I see how the underside of the bed is supported?

[vernal light]

That’s awesome

And it lets the bed expand a little bit too and stopping the taco effect

[oak cipher]

I Hope it's gonna work

[paper plaza]

I like that you reused the Z axis extrusions. I have plenty of those... 😄

[oak cipher]

Maybe you should try After i confirm that it's working

[paper plaza]

my only remaining 5 Pro with single Z isn't operational. if I do switch it over to dual, though, this is cheaper and easier than how I have been doing it.

also, your pfp still makes me laugh

[earnest umbra]

@paper plaza hydraaaaaaaaa

[verbal plover]

@earnest umbra Hail Hydra

[oak cipher]

Hydra IS tooo extensive

[verbal plover]

Ya. I got into 3d printing to save money on buying miniatures. That didn't work out 😞 now I spend more

[oak cipher]

Yeah but that worth the money for Shure

[verbal plover]

I don't think so. Now I have boxes of unassembled, unpainted miniatures, because I can't paint fast enough.

And I cancelled my resin subscription to late, and have a 5 to 7 bottles unopened

[oak cipher]

Ok so Quick update before spending files

First test print on thé way

Traming IS working great and bed defenitely feels a lot steefer

[oak cipher]

First test print with the New z motion system + bambu hot end feels great

[paper plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-22908691

[oak cipher]

Im gonna try to upload to printables today !

[oak cipher]

im working on the printables page so maybe realese today

[oak cipher]

ok so here is the first release i have never done something like that before so if you have any advices i will take them

https://www.printables.com/model/773435-ender-5-mercury-one1-voron-legacy-dual-z-mod

[paper plaza]

I didn't know you need to cut the extrusions. No big deal, but might want to mention further up that you'll need a way to cut them.

Also: congrats!

[oak cipher]

thx im gonna do that

[earnest umbra]

looking good, one personal opinion, part amount before name, makes it easier to follow

so instead of
-380mm long 8mm rods x4

like this

• 4x - 380mm long 8mm rods

[oak cipher]

Im gonna update that too

[crude veldt]

What bearings du i need for the linear rods ??

[oak cipher]

Hu yeah i forgot that

Lm8luu i think

The long ones

[crude veldt]

Do you have a link?

[oak cipher]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_EJWT65f

You only need 4

[crude veldt]

Got RDBB to make custom sizes

For this Mod

Leadscrews top

Too

[oak cipher]

nice

[oak cipher]

Do you have some news ?

[crude veldt]

I ordered them they should arrive soon

[nocturne thunder]

Im working on printing all the stuff for your awesome mode now. I feel like they should adapt this for the mercury project officially as an alternative to hydra that’s cheaper and easier than hydra but way better than the stock z axis.

[crude veldt]

Parts arrived today and they look very high quality

[oak cipher]

Thx but i don't think it match the zéro g qualité standarts

[crude veldt]

Could you Design some Guides for Installation?

[oak cipher]

Yeah i think thats a good idea

[oak cipher]

Do you mean like for spacing against the frame ?

[crude veldt]

Yes would be so helpfull

Bc i cant figure out if they are centered and how much space is needed

[oak cipher]

they are not centered

im designing guides RN

[oak cipher]

and with my mod i switched the din rail 90° i find it better

[crude veldt]

Ok thanks

[crude veldt]

Ah good idea

[oak cipher]

im gonna print them and post them right after that

[crude veldt]

Thank you very much

[oak cipher]

no problem

thank you to try my things

[crude veldt]

I’m already preheating my printer 😂

[oak cipher]

i will include them in the printables when tested but they are pretty simple so should be good

This IS how it should fit

[crude veldt]

Printing them rn

[crude veldt]

Seems off

[oak cipher]

yeah normal i d'ont centered it like on the original voron legacy

plus it gives you space for klicky and nozzle brush

and because the toolhead is big you don't loose any printing space

[crude veldt]

Ok that’s what I thought but thanks for the explanation

But so far the model looks good

[oak cipher]

This IS how it looks on max and min Y

[crude veldt]

For anyone doing this mod lube up the ends of the linear rods this will help them slide in cleanly

[crude veldt]

Interesting I’m doing the vzbot toolhead mod too so I will se how the tolerances will be

[oak cipher]

Printed ?

Should not be a problem tho it's almost the same

[crude veldt]

Yes

[oak cipher]

good

now wiring and config

if you have klicky i can send you cfg files

[crude veldt]

Acctualy invested in a beacon clone called cartographer

[crude veldt]

Unfortunately no I need to reprint my ganty and then I will be able to finish the wiring

[oak cipher]

Why reprint ?

[oak cipher]

Hoo interesting

[crude veldt]

I got a bambulab for my birthday so now I have the capabilities to print clean parts

[oak cipher]

Mercury IS gonna print great 2

[crude veldt]

Yeah but that’s why I’m reprinting I want it to be as good as possible

[oak cipher]

they don't look that bad

[crude veldt]

Wait till you see the new ones

[oak cipher]

i was thinking that my parts where looking good before geting the voron

[crude veldt]

Do you have a 2.4?

[oak cipher]

yess

[crude veldt]

Why not trident? I’ve always wondered why many people buy the 2.4 over the trident

[oak cipher]

i was interested into the more complex v2.4

and more weight on bottom should be more stable but if i had the money i would got both

[crude veldt]

Interesting so would a trident with added weights on the bottom perform better resonance wise?

[oak cipher]

idk im not an ingeneer just a 17yo lazy guy who do 3d printing more than studying

[crude veldt]

Same just 1year older 😂

But Acctualy I will start to study Engineering next year so I will be able to answer that (maybe)

[oak cipher]

me too in a way

[crude veldt]

So no university?

[earnest umbra]

that's not being lazy it's doing what you enjoy

[oak cipher]

idk the us school system but im getting my end of school diploma and going for a materials science school

[earnest umbra]

I'm 35 and there are days where I tinker more with the printer than I work...

[crude veldt]

Actually I’m swiss 😂

[earnest umbra]

what I mean is, dont be too hard on yourself I was and still am but learning not to

[earnest umbra]

the flag gave it away 😅

[crude veldt]

It’s a big plus 😅

[oak cipher]

yeah i know and love my ""lazy"" things

[earnest umbra]

I almost laughed out loud with that one, had to control myself to avoid waking up my kid 😁

[crude veldt]

Seems very interesting

I’m “just” studying mechanical engineering

[earnest umbra]

FWIW I ended up finding out that I'm not lazy, it's just how my brain works (ADHD can be a bitch)

[oak cipher]

Not perfect but it's closed now

[oak cipher]

i have done some folders and aded spacers files to the printables

[oak cipher]

ok so after some correction / upgrades here it is updated and butifull

https://www.printables.com/model/773435-ender-5-mercury-one1-voron-legacy-dual-z-mod

[oak cipher]

@crude veldt how IS your printer going ?

[oak cipher]

@glad ridge

[oak cipher]

@solar root

[vernal light]

This is only for e5 pro at the moment hey?

[oak cipher]

Yeah 👍

I think thé ender 5 plus already have a rigid bed 🤔

[deep condor]

hey looking threw your post have you posted your printer.cfg file by chance ? im finshing up the printing for this now and would like to get it added to the cfg as well

[languid peak]

@oak cipher Where did you get the top cover?

[oak cipher]

i added some examples recently

[oak cipher]

for electronic ?

i modeled it

and cut it in acrilic

[solar root]

If anyone building this mod does not want to build some fancy electronics enclosure, you can just relocate the stock enclosure to the back of the printer with these brackets:
https://www.printables.com/model/867767-ender-5-pro-electronics-enclosure-relocator

[oak cipher]

U did the mod ?

[solar root]

yes, I am currently waiting for rods to arrive

[oak cipher]

hoo thx if u have any trouble let me know

[solar root]

btw you don't need to cut the extrusions, I used the stock length and they were fine

[oak cipher]

yeah it's just cleaner

[solar root]

when the correct length rods arrive I will take more pics

[oak cipher]

idk if u checked recently but i aded cfg ""help""

[solar root]

yes I saw it and I will test it tomorrow probably

[solar root]

@oak cipher just finished assembling

[oak cipher]

hooo shiny

[solar root]

Looks good. I havent yet finished the wiring

[vernal light]

Interested to see if the bed is less taco’d with this

[glossy thistle]

Will 400mm rods and lead screws work without cutting?

[oak cipher]

It dépend of the toolhead but i think u Can

[oak cipher]

Il gonna share my mesh later today

[oak cipher]

if anyone is interested im gonna try this soon https://www.printables.com/model/717230-wx-the-printable-wobble-x

[glossy thistle]

Are there compatible mounts for the voron legacy bed for wobble x?

[oak cipher]

i think

not shure yet i don't have teh printer RN

[oak cipher]

After.lookong AT it you Can probably use standarts e5 plus mount on wobble x github

[oak cipher]

Ignore the undryed filament but z artifact are pretty much invisible even without wobble x

Tiny bit

[earnest umbra]

now with light from above

[oak cipher]

i tried to show it as much as possible

[earnest umbra]

in the z direction? it shows every little imperfection

[vernal light]

Wobble x isn’t really needed, especially when your linear rods or linear rails are good quality and don’t let z move in horizontal movement. The lead screw should conform to where the guides make it stay. If you have linear rails wobble x won’t do much.

[oak cipher]

Ok so maybe i should keep as IS

[vernal light]

I’d print the same model but scale the x and y to twice the length and maybe go 1/4 the height, see if those bands change, could be extruder variation and not z banding. MirageC has a good video on this.

[oak cipher]

Yeah i wathched his vidéo he IS very good

Maybe G2A would be a great upgrade but for now it's good enought for me

[vernal light]

That’s all that matters! Anything with a one piece main shaft helps, lots of options and all are good.

[solar root]

I use 400mm rods and my build volume got significantly reduced. About 30mm on X side

[oak cipher]

Just cut them and put the "hugly" side on bottom

[solar root]

Yes I know, I am just lazy

[glossy thistle]

Are both z motors the creality x axis type? Or was the original ender 5 z and x motors used?

[oak cipher]

Yeah thé 2nd z motor IS the x motor from the ender 5

[glossy thistle]

No issues with the two different sized motors? Just config limits in klipper properly and good to go?

[oak cipher]

I think i Can have two different motor as long as they are both 1.8 or both 0.9

[crude veldt]

Currently I’m waiting for my hotend so still a month to go 😅

[oak cipher]

No problem tale ur Time

[crude veldt]

Btw if u want a upgrad to have a flat heatbed there is a german store selling machined beds

https://princore.de/collections/neu-druckkbett-systeme/products/feingefrastes-druckbett-aluminium-guss-variante-wahlen

[oak cipher]

not that expensive too

but for now it's printing good

[crude veldt]

Yeah maybe this will be my next upgrade After making shure it works

[thick ginkgo]

how long should the lm8luu be?

[oak cipher]

i think lm8luu is standart

45mm i think

[quasi ruin]

Are the M3 8mm screws in the lower z-rod suppports just for stability?
Printed a test piece in ASA and it seems quite strong.
Seems like the screws only would help if the piece was to split.

[crisp citrus]

Could you post the dxf? About to try this mod myself

[oak cipher]

If y remind me to in 4hours i can 😅😂

[crisp citrus]

4hr reminder :p

[crisp citrus]

Wow this thing is fiddly to assemble. Seems like it might work though

I think the z screws can actually be cut a bit shorter than specified, that way they don't stick out above the linear rod holders and potentially hit the tool head.

[crisp citrus]

Yeah after doing some measurements, better length for z rods is 350mm

[ashen drum]

(For z lead screws, not smooth rods. Those are fine.)

[crisp citrus]

She is printing

[crisp citrus]

Probably not relevant to many people, but I made a bracket to mount a voron z end stop or sexbolt for auto z calibration purposes. Gonna clean up the file and post it here probably

[random shard]

Hey I found this mod here and on printables I found really similar one and are they the same ?

Ender 5 Pro Dual Z [TESTED WORKING] autorstwa kornel052 | Pobierz darmowy model STL | Printables.com https://www.printables.com/model/1214293-ender-5-pro-dual-z-tested-working

[random shard]

how do you mounted it ??

[oak cipher]

No mine is pinned on top i think

[oak cipher]

With m5x10 screws i think

[random shard]

Do you have any photos

And how much the bed costed you

I think yours is better because the rods are lower so the toolhead has more space

[oak cipher]

It's the original bed

And mod is about 30€ in total

#1203830664995147866 message

[random shard]

Are you happy with its performance ?

[random shard]

does the nozzle of toolhead fit over the rails and leadscrews on the side ??

[oak cipher]

Yess

[oak cipher]

It can't because the rail is too short

There is no clearance issue overall

[random shard]

ok thats good i was woried that the stealhburner is gonna hit them

[oak cipher]

Hoo did not test with sb but i think Eva is even bigger than sv

Sb

[uncut stirrup]

anyone using this in an enclosed chamber? planning to print the bits out of ASA, but curious if anyone dealt with a warmer chamber and the fact that the bed holders are printed and will be exposed to higher temps through the bolts holding it.

[random shard]

hey do i need to go with some special print settings or standar slicer one or mercury recommended?

[oak cipher]

Standard voron / Mercury set

40% infill 4 walls 4 top/bot 0.2 everywere

[hushed cradle]

Ordered everything today
Im excited
5mm alu bed is also on the way

[random shard]

warning to people running vz printhead and long hot end like poepoly lancer long or goliath the nozzle and the fan duct will colide with the top of the rods and the plastic holding the rods

[hushed cradle]

I was planning to run e34m1 with chc xl
Will see how it fits

[random shard]

Let me know I moved the end stops in a way that will not let the noozle and tool head hit the rods of bed

[random shard]

I done some calibration and prints on that bed and it is fantastic if you calibrate it

It is super stable and I with klicky calibrated screw adjust and z tilt and it works flawlessly

Highly recommend

[hushed cradle]

Coming together nicely

[hushed cradle]

Anyone happen to have a design for a matching top panel?

[random shard]

You wanna enclose your printer ?

I was thinking about enclosure so I can print abs and asa but I don’t know what to choose

[hushed cradle]

Not really just top and bottom for the electronics.
Probably will just cnc something

[hushed cradle]

Coming together nicely

[languid peak]

Hey @oak cipher , I'm in the process of doing this awesome mod. Do you happen to have the DXF for the top of the electronic enclosure?

[oak cipher]

That's a tuff one i wiped m'y pc recently and i dont think they survived

[hushed cradle]

Shame would need them too

[languid peak]