M1.1 Build Log

[modest crane]

ok, gonna run a 0.02 to 0.04 test then

[lone hill]

...or you can decrease the PA increments on the tool, whichever works for you

[modest crane]

yeah that's what Im doing no/

?

[lone hill]

220 bed can fit 0.002 increments

It'll be quite tough to differentiate with 0.01 anyway

[modest crane]

I can barely differentiate them now

doesn't help that im blind

[lone hill]

Send a few photos and I'll try to help

[modest crane]

got the new test printing rn, please hold 🙂

gonna have to head to bed after this one, gotta wake up for work in... 3hrs

[lone hill]

No point, how can one wake up on time when he slept less than 3 hours?? 🤣

Leave it man... You're melting plastic so mission accomplished. TomorrowTonight is another day

[modest crane]

yeah but is this 10m print really gonna make a difference

What do we think @lone hill

now makes me think 0.04 is the best, and could go higher 😡

[modest crane]

JOB FOR TMRW GN

[lone hill]

By the looks if it, 0.032 or 0.033 seems correct to me

[modest crane]

anything wrong with this part? @lone hill

It is strong and the hardware fits pretty nice

could use some tuning yet but it seems functional

[modest crane]

This should be enough for a SINGLE hydra build

@deft fog even -I- shouldn't be able to lose enough hardware to not finish the build

[lone hill]

Looks ok to me, though can be refined to look even more appealing. Black makes imperfections easy to spot especially with lighting conditions..

[modest crane]

yea visually iffy but it seems like a strong and functional part so I’m gonna live with it for now

gonna keep tuning though when I get home from work

[lone hill]

I was looking at the part again, are you sure it didn't warp? Is the bottom completely flat? It looks like it on the side close to your index finger

Though maybe it's only from this angle...

[deft fog]

mini tanks are pretty forgiving, even if they have flaws they will still work

[modest crane]

Bottom is perfectly flat, it’s the best part of the print since it has that sexy PEI texture 😂😂

[lone hill]

https://tenor.com/view/awesomesauce-awesome-fireworks-celebrate-gif-19515276

I used to love printing on a mirror without any adhesion stimulants) when I started. Didn't like the texture of PEI sheet in photos of seen, but then I got one. And I started loving myself and threw the mirror to the garbage, because only people who hate themselves use flat glass as build surface and with nothing on to increase adhesion.

[modest crane]

On my ELF I use a mirror with nothing to increase adhesion

[lone hill]

I kept printing stuff upside down because the finish you get when printing on a flat piece of glass/mirror is second to none, assuming your first layer is laid down properly, with a nice squish. But it's a hassle.

[modest crane]

Nice, free sandpaper

Good thing I always ignore warnings

I’m a sucker for branded products

[modest crane]

functional should finish tuning and THEN print these but the parts arriving faster than I can tune lol

I did crack that mini tank even though the docs say not to overtighten lol

[modest crane]

Working on Hydra install 🙂

[deft fog]

how did the cutting go

[modest crane]

cut the extrusion a bit short since I didn't have a metric tape measure lol

but I just added a 1mm shim and its p good now

debating running my DIN rails front to back vs side to side

[deft fog]

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-6-ft-Keychain-Tape-Measure-48-22-5506/206368564

go buy a couple

[modest crane]

I have one at my house I just couldn't find one at the shop and didn't feel like going back lmao

[deft fog]

https://tenor.com/view/cersei-cersei-lannister-lena-headey-disappoint-disappoint-me-gif-16686881

[modest crane]

if it works it works

I used a piece of extrusion that has like 100 tapped holes in it all over the place

I have a brand new one I might swap too later, if I do that one will be pretty exact

[deft fog]

lead screws?

[modest crane]

cut fine with the bandsaw

pretty even on the cuts too 😄

[modest crane]

idk what dis mean

throws that error even with no motor plugged in

[lone hill]

Jumpers below the driver set how? Obviously disconnect the power if you need to remove the driver or change anything
@modest crane

[modest crane]

In the UART slot like the rest

[deft fog]

Need to have motors plugged in

[modest crane]

Same thing with or without

[deft fog]

post config again

[modest crane]

It’s the same as before, but I can post it again after work. I don’t even have my third z defined yet, wanted to jog my toolhead to figure out my z tilt values

[deft fog]

So only 2 z steppers defined currently?

[modest crane]

Yes, it’s throwing on my first z stepper

[lone hill]

Can you try using the board pins and the spot for another motor?

[modest crane]

Trying connecting a different motor to that slot, or try a different slot on the board?

[lone hill]

You mentioned that error comes up regardless of whether a motor is connected or not, correct? If so, I'd suggest trying a different slot.

[modest crane]

Yeah, your wording had me confused a little. Yeah I plan to try a different slot when I get home because I already tried swapping stepper drivers, no change. And I’m pretty sure my z1 motor moves before it crashes

probably broke another octo 😂

[lone hill]

https://tenor.com/view/ohno-smh-wrong-no-gif-20802904

Impossible, lightning strike twice in the same place?

[copper swallow]

what cable size are those? I realised I have no suitable main cables… However mine it’s stuck in the Netherlands somewhere

[modest crane]

not big at all, I can’t imagine it’s bigger than 14-16 under the braid

[modest crane]

alright good progress, I shifted my z motors over by 1 slot, and also just plugged in the wires that came with the motors in, and it seems to be moving fine 🙂

The stock motor wires don't have a positively latching board side connection though, so I'll reterminate those

prolly throw some nice sleeving on em while Im at it

[lone hill]

It’s good to know you’re making progress!

[modest crane]

@deft fog do you happen to know the z tilt positions for a 5 pro?

[deft fog]

if you turn on my 5 pro for me, I can look at the numbers

[deft fog]

[z_tilt]
z_positions: 8, 8 #stepper_z Mini Tank
  126, 245 #stepper_z1 Mini Tank
  245, 8 #stepper_z2 Mini Tank
points: 235,205  #132.5,205  #probe location stepper_z (rear)
  #132.5,205
  15,205
  15,0 #probe location stepper_z (left)
  235,0 #probe location stepper_z (right)
speed: 400
horizontal_move_z: 20
retries: 5 # Number of times to retry if the probed points aren't within tolerance.
retry_tolerance:0.150

managed to walk past it and flip the power switch on

[modest crane]

LMAOO

I should have checked this a second earlier

I broke my printer

[deft fog]

if you would have turned my printer on for me, you could have had this sooner

the points are for klicky though, not bltouch

[modest crane]

i have an inductive probe on the SB rn

[deft fog]

ohhyeah sb

might be similar then

since my klicky is behind nozzle

also this assumes home is 2mm in from the left and front edges

[deft fog]

need pictures of damage

[modest crane]

just broke one of the mini tanks in half

its fine magnet power will hold the bed on

[deft fog]

open air print?

need to work on your abs settings 🙂

[modest crane]

I mean something was bound to break

the nozzle pushed down on the rigfht corner and forced the other corner up

[deft fog]

better the tank then the arm

[modest crane]

@lone hill do you run klicky/unklicky?

[lone hill]

Klicky NG. Happy with it. Haven't tried anything else than that (counting out the Omron inductive probe which was a waste of good money and energy)

[modest crane]

Yes I have an Omron inductive probe right now and want to make the switch. The NG says it’s a drop in replacement for the omron, does that mean it permanently attaches inside the tool head where the omron is, or does it still grab the klicky off of the frame

[lone hill]

It acts the same way as the Klicky probe - a part of 3 magnets (or 4? can't remember...) on the toolhead, and a slightly different probe that is docked and undocked.
The advantage is that it uses No Glue

[modest crane]

Ah okay so drop in replacement just means it serves the exact same functions as the omron, cool

Do you just use the Voron spec parts for your klicky, frame mount and all or do we need different offsets for the merc?

[deft fog]

there is a mount for the merc on the klicky github

[lone hill]

95% klicky-spec, slightly modified the Dock_mount_Ender5.stl from on the "Printers/Mercury_One/Voron_Toolhead_STL" section on the klicky repo

I just converted to UHF Rapido (some conversion... Needed to reprint half of the toolhead), needed it to drop lower

I give @deft fog one guess which color is the reprint

[deft fog]

gold

[lone hill]

Close

Even better... Ye....

[deft fog]

rose gold

[lone hill]

🫣

I'd rather check out indefinitely

[modest crane]

Is this gonna cause me problems with the SB?

[deft fog]

that github mount is for voron tool heads

not for eva

[modest crane]

thanks for answering all my questions boys, I just like to understand what I’m about to build before I tackle it haha

nice, thanks

[deft fog]

With my EVA mount, I made all of the mounts fixed height and lengths... I didnt like the adjustable mount look

[modest crane]

oh KLICKY GitHub I missed that part

Do you run kilicky too turtle? Was thinking about doing an unklicky lol

[deft fog]

yes I run klicky, and I am happy with it

so have not tried unklicky

the unklicky docs on how to set it up are not the best, dutch had a hard time putting his together following their instructions

eventually he figured it out

[modest crane]

yes they have a “how does it work section”

[lone hill]

I felt the same - that's why I didn't continue with building it

[modest crane]

which took me like a day to understand

I read it in the morning and it wasn’t until leaving work that day that it clicked

or unclicked 😛

[lone hill]

https://tenor.com/view/point-hehe-haha-smiling-i-see-what-you-did-there-gif-21567119

[deft fog]

I still cannot wrap my head around how the unklicky remains accurate after reading the docs on it.

I am sure if I built one, it would make more sense. But the standard klicky works fine for me still.

[modest crane]

My inductive price doesn’t want to play nice with my hydra, I think it would work if had the config perfect already

but as it is it wants to smash stuff

[deft fog]

so to start off with z tilt, bring the probe points in further than needed

[modest crane]

I think I’m gonna pull the hotend off the SB and drop it down

yeah exactly

[lone hill]

I could understand the basic concept, but that's where it ended for me. It simply breaks open the connection (which is held by the opposing forces of magnets), that's why it's accurate

[modest crane]

Oh it’s an NC probe

[deft fog]

points: 235,180 #132.5,180 #probe location stepper_z (rear)
#132.5,205
30,205
30,20 #probe location stepper_z (left)
200,20 #probe location stepper_z (right)

start with something like that

[modest crane]

will do

[deft fog]

so the points are well within the bed

[modest crane]

My endstop may have been too far back

[deft fog]

then adjust the points out

[lone hill]

Any endstop built as N/O is calling for trouble 😬

[deft fog]

can also set probe speed to like 4

so if its not going to probe, you can stop it

[lone hill]

Reduce Z motor current

[deft fog]

that too

[modest crane]

I would have just jogged to get the first positions but klipper kept complaining about having to home first even though I did 😡

[deft fog]

safe settings to get the config dialed in

[modest crane]

yea that’s why I broke my mini tank

My motor currents were at … 90%

[lone hill]

No heat on the hotend also

[modest crane]

what’s the lowest current a 1.5a motor will lift the bed at?

[deft fog]

set the z currents to like .3

[modest crane]

.6 maybe

Word

[lone hill]

The first scratch shall not be today!

[deft fog]

.6 is more than enough on any standard z setup for normal use

[modest crane]

yesterday

[deft fog]

your right, it was last night when he crashed it and broke a mini tank

[lone hill]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[deft fog]

lol

its your fault

you were not there

[lone hill]

Oh yeah, I even responded on this I think

[deft fog]

this was later

[modest crane]

Nozzle marked its territory already

[lone hill]

Last mark!!

[deft fog]

he wanted to see my z tilt settings, but I was to lazy to power up the 5 pro

[lone hill]

...ever

[modest crane]

turtles fault !!!

[deft fog]

finally powered it up and posted, and he came back saying he just crashed it lol

[modest crane]

If klipper wasn’t being annoying I would have done it the smart way

[deft fog]

Ohh is that just the magnet?

[lone hill]

I call it the fault of the one who was too anxious

[deft fog]

the magnet will look much uglier with time

[modest crane]

yeah I’m not testing with the bed on 😄

wait

…

aluminum is non ferrous

would my probe trigger on the magnet sheet or is that why my probe wasn't working ..

....

[deft fog]

steel sheet might help lol

[modest crane]

yes

no wonder it broke

[deft fog]

those probes to trigger on aluminum

not sure about over magnets

I used to use an inductive probe on a aluminum bed, back when we just put blue tape over the bed

no magnets or pei sheets back then

[modest crane]

huh omron data sheet lied to me

[deft fog]

they are not as accurate over aluminum if I remember correctly

and needed to be closer to trigger?

[modest crane]

yeah that's probably true

I have mine super tuned in

[deft fog]

there is a reason nobody runs the omrons

[modest crane]

so it basically probes at z offset lol

okay operation safer z tilt is a go

[modest crane]

ok homing z went fine

first probe points were off but I adjusted them and z tilt probed fine, motors are in the wrong spots atm tho

swapped em I think correctly? running z tilt now let's see what happens

I can't wait until my speed ab motors get here and I can start breaking stuff even more

seems to be working... ish

won't get within my tolerance tho

of .15 lol

[deft fog]

post the results

[modest crane]

1 sec it's running rn

[deft fog]

now

[lone hill]

POST IT NOW!

[deft fog]

https://tenor.com/view/shenmue-shenmue-hurry-up-hurry-up-timex-watch-timex-gif-26238521

[lone hill]

🤣

[modest crane]

this is before it had time to adjust

[deft fog]

I need to see the z moves

[modest crane]

it hadn't done that yet lol

[deft fog]

what it measures in the 4 corners

yes it has

[modest crane]

oh

[deft fog]

frame is twisted

shim the front left corner up .5-1mm

probably 1mm

[modest crane]

should probably have the printer on a flat surface then huh

[deft fog]

looking at those results, the + numbers are very close, and the - are also close. But oposite corners

unflat surface will twist the frame

I use the 4 point as a tool to check frame flatness

[modest crane]

one of the feet was sitting on something, this is with all 4 feet flat

same thing huh?

[deft fog]

looks like it

shim the feet on the high corners

I just shim the front, cause its easier

and use printer paper.... fold it a few times

though on my 5 plus, I finally ordered some wide shim washers

[modest crane]

didn't seem to help

I added more paper every time it didn't change lol

[deft fog]

maybe your bed isny heavy enough, and you need to adjust the frame

[modest crane]

could be

[deft fog]

I am used to my heavy fabreeko beds, and didnt notice a change in my ztilt when I moved to the Fysetc bed

[modest crane]

I gotta go to work so this will be when I get home tn, but what do I need to check to ensure the frame is good

[deft fog]

might be able to check it with a square?

or just figure out a way to shim a corner of the frame up, not sure how to best shim it right now...

[modest crane]

cool, will run though it with a square

Hm, my printed corners could affect this right?

Anything besides frame squareness that could cause these symptoms?

[modest crane]

@lone hill garg you’re smart, any thing I should check after frame ?

[lone hill]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

Y Rails being parallel, deracking the x gantry - both check fine out?
What's the status at this moment?

[modest crane]

will be home in 5 minutes or o start the fun

Z tilt with dual z didn’t have any issues,, mesh looked good

[lone hill]

Tell me about it... I used to see 0.06-0.07 variance on my dual-z pro before Hydra, now I'm at about double that mainly due to one corner going lower than the others. But I don't stress myself over this, since in my case bed mesh compensates fine - I test printed a 260x260 single layer rectangle and it was 95% perfect, the non perfect was seemingly bed adhesion issue and unrelated to bed mesh

[modest crane]

My tolerance is at .15 and I can’t get it to pass 😦

[lone hill]

You do 4 points as suggested by turtle, correct?

[modest crane]

Yea

Imma run a probe test real quick ..

Just in case 🙂

[lone hill]

With 3 points I can reach 0.01 on my 275 bed, with 4 points my best would be something like 0.035 or so

[deft fog]

its not a probe issue

that is a frame issue

[modest crane]

let me live in denial for like 5 more minutes

[deft fog]

you get 5 seconds

no more

[modest crane]

so a twisted frame is the only thing this could be?

[deft fog]

From my own testing, yes

[modest crane]

not something like off center/slanted rear extrusion, wobble z rod etc ?

[deft fog]

as I have been able to fix it with the frame every time

when it is 2 corners high, and 2 low

[modest crane]

happy to try any suggestions, don't care if they are sketchy

rather, I prefer sketchy

[modest crane]

im outta ideas

I tried shimming every corner combination lol

if i shim the 2 high corners one of the feet comes of the ground

frame seems square

[deft fog]

shim the top frame up

[modest crane]

like pull the extrusions and shim it on top of the verticals?

[deft fog]

yeah

[modest crane]

kk

imma have to retension my belts after this :<

[deft fog]

yup

easier then shimming the bottom though

well maybe

[modest crane]

probably

there is like 100 screws down ther

wekk

i could just pull thge corners off

[deft fog]

I still have not tensioned my 5 plus after I shimmed the front left up

I went to do it the other night, but the bambu was printing... to much noise for the app to work

[modest crane]

hm I actually think the bottom will be easier to shim

ah shit the shims that come with the m1.1 are too small :<

im using mil spec stainless washers from mcmaster, tolerances should be close enough

[deft fog]

any luck?

I was in the garage silently cursing my tacoma's stater, which is impossible to fish out once unbolted.....

[modest crane]

I shimmed one corner and it didn't change, need better shims

[deft fog]

double shim?

[modest crane]

I did a .30

[deft fog]

this is my 5 plus

that was a .5 shim, which happened to be perfect for my frame

double or tripple shim

hell quad shim full send

go big, dial back if needed

[modest crane]

yeah im gonna way overshim

if I shim one corner it should change right?

[deft fog]

yup

[modest crane]

hm, may need to ditch the shims and just get some bigger washers

my shims keep trying to slip into the extrusion it seems

[modest crane]

Think I’m gonna need more shim than this to see a difference?

I gotta fix that left one still but

ill just add another fuck it

[modest crane]

I only have one corner shimmed and it passed with .113 tolerance

should I shoot for better u think?

nvm ran it again got to 0.8

happy with that

[modest crane]

alright, time to fix this wiring disaster

[modest crane]

hm, somehow misplaced my entire hotend

[modest crane]

I got some wiring cleanup to do but imma just send it on a print and see what happens

[modest crane]

test print looks very very nice... gonna send it on 2 need electronics bay feet and see what happens, wish me luck 😄

[copper swallow]

It’s maybe the most entertaining build log 😃. could you rewind a little and summarise how it was found that culprit was the frame and it needed shims? (and where/which side?)

[modest crane]

once I got everything installed and working, I ran z tilt but it kept failing because the bed was too far out of tolerance

then we (turtle) noticed 2 opposite corners were high but had very little deviation (4.56 and 4.59) while the other 2 corners were low but were still very close together (4.10 and 4.09)

the high sides are the corners that need shims

[copper swallow]

so you’ve put shims in both corners?

[modest crane]

I only shimmed one corner, was planning to do both but after I shimmed one it was "good enough". will probably shim the other eventually, but got some parts I want to print first

[copper swallow]

right! thanks that’s explains it all. I didn’t know the z-tilt “failed”. how does it work, does it try to converge to a solution but gives up after some try or does it thing, report the variation and you decide if it’s failed?

well.. hopefully I’ll find out soon

[modest crane]

you set the tolerance that the 4 points have to be within. so if the standard deviation is greater than your tolerance it will fail

[copper swallow]

jeez, my current setup, my variance is around 0.3 in the good days, 0.4 the norm… really looking forward to have those tolerance as well. waiting to see some test prints \o/ !!

[modest crane]

Prints are getting better after some tuning but started getting some layer shirt

And now my bed is tucked again: 2 high corners, 2 low. Can’t get below .28 tolerance anymore 😭

[modest crane]

Fuck it, custom “no front bar” mod

[modest crane]

wiring hellscape has got to be fixed

gonna try to print the new revision of the electronics bay with the 38mm feet then grind hard on the wiring

huge fan of these z drop brackets though, they look great. nice being able to see what the nozzle is doing too lol

[copper swallow]

where are those brackets?

[modest crane]

Somewhere in enclosure, I ripped them from a step file in fusion

I can send you the STLs

[copper swallow]

that would be great! I have some metal brackets, but I don’t like the idea of installing the tensioner on top of the brackets, this seems like a good mod, plus it addresses the bar lowering thing, that I’m tempted since forever

[modest crane]

yeah being able to actually see what’s going on (especially for first layers) is great

When I get home from work I’ll shoot them to you in a DM

[copper swallow]

great, I’m not in a hurry, I’ll be able to print them only tomorrow, maybe , anyway

[modest crane]

Slowly but surely coming along 😎

[lone hill]

https://tenor.com/view/frickin-awesome-amazing-gif-20449310

[modest crane]

printed most of a v0 on the merc so far, all been mostly smooth (besides some config and tuning, but not really hardware related)

UNTIL today — set a plate of tri-zero parts to print overnight woke up to… 10% if a first layer and nothing else. The printer did think it was printing the entire time though

Heater cart failed I believe — went to run some cleaning filament through since I figured extruder clog was the culprit — “heater not heating at expected rate”

Reterminated my thermistor and cartridge with no change. I do have extra heaters but used my last two connector pins in my futile termination attempt. When I get home from work today I’ll cut the leads off of my bum heater and solder to one of my spares while I source some pins (might as well get an assortment kit, the monstrous parts archive grows)

[deft fog]

Those skirts are not white?

[modest crane]

What do you mean 🤨

[deft fog]

Thought you were going all white

[modest crane]

I got hate for using white filament, it’s got rocks in it or something idk I skipped geography class

[modest crane]

but I did order a few rolls of white to strength test because the white was growing on me and I do want to go black white for the build

[deft fog]

I have noticed that it is easier to break, even if the breaks look good

its softer feeling when you break it

[modest crane]

Plan to see if I can do aesthetic pieces only in white

[deft fog]

I think white can be used for accent pieces, such as the skirts

[modest crane]

Black feet, white skirts

Exactly

[deft fog]

those centers I printed with dark gray inlays

even feet could probably be white, since they do not see any impact loads

but it's nice to break up the color with black feet

[modest crane]

Maybe I’ll dye the rubber amp feet white

[deft fog]

ummm

[modest crane]

wait can you dye something white

…

[deft fog]

doesnt work that way lol

if you really hate yourself, which I think you do. You could look to see if there is white TPU and print your own feet

white TPU is a thing

[modest crane]

I have some white TPU

and a full Bowden printer

[lone hill]

Transparent TPU feet are a thing, let me tell you this.

[modest crane]

Like an off the shelf thing or a secret garg experiment

[deft fog]

RGB back lite TPU feet?

[lone hill]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-shocked-eyes-wide-open-surprise-gif-15460572

Turtle you have excellent ideas!

[modest crane]

…I think he just did something…

You could print the base of the feet, pause the print and drop a neopixel in, then continue over it

[lone hill]

I have 97 neopixel “Jewls” waiting for projects. Can spare 4 for transparent feet

[lone hill]

That’s way too extreme for me!

[deft fog]

If you need bad ideas, I am your man!

[lone hill]

As you saw yesterday I can come up with dumb idea of my own

If it diffuses light nicely I’m going for it!

[modest crane]

Howd u print that so quick damn he’s good

[lone hill]

It was there since... I didn't think spending $7 on rubber feet is correct, but then ordered two sets. Never changed them! These will stay!

[deft fog]

we are able to get a 8 pack of feet here, for $4

[lone hill]

Almost as good as yellow

Transparent….mmmmmmm

[lone hill]

You also don't pay 105% tax on your cars, that's unfair

[deft fog]

also have the patience to wait a week or two for MGN rails

[lone hill]

Now that's totally unacceptable behaviour! What you WANT - HERE, NOW

[modest crane]

Is this really what your vorons feet look like 🤨

[lone hill]

Oh yeah

I modified those from 247 printing's super speedy v0

[modest crane]

oh that’s your v0?

Hm I want a super speedy one

[lone hill]

Yes it is! Another souped-up project! I don’t push it very fast though

[onyx snow]

aint white the worst colour to print functional parts with. cause of all the pigment needed that is has a negative affect on layer adhesian?

[deft fog]

yup

even with really good settings, its layer adhesion is soft

[modest crane]

got the slave back up and running, more t0/box zero parts printing

[modest crane]

printed warped on the last layers only affected 2 of about 8 parts though - think I had some cooling fans still running

sliced the re prints and new plate and sent it to the printer and was just watching it as I was leaving for work and watched my bed jump off of the printer lol

don't really know why it did that -- sensor seems good, running another z tilt now and no weird sensor issues or anything. broke another mini tank (now I have 2 broken mini tanks on the merc)

but I do have 2 extra printed and ready for install, just haven't had time to pull the bed. Will probably do a partial teardown today to swap my AB motors to the speedy ones, swap hydra motors to 3 HB motors, do some mini tank replacement, maybe install new skirts and my bottom panels, but that would mean wiring so who knows 😄

[modest crane]

@lone hill what hot end do you like ?

[lone hill]

I like my Rapido.

Recently found a modded front cover and front hotend mount half for “UHF” volcano nozzles.
…You can imagine what I was pouring some money on recently

[modest crane]

Was considering a Rapido, do you have the UHF version?

Not that I can give a good picture of the differences lol

[lone hill]

Yeah, I do have the UHF. For a long time I had no idea what purpose it’ll serve until I found the modified toolhead

Don’t fall for the high flow marketing numbers - these are total rubbish

They test with 1.0mm nozzle with PLA @ 280c

[velvet badge]

lol that's absurd

does anyone test with realistic numbers?

[lone hill]

Manufacturers? I don’t know, doubt it.
But you do, and I do.. I get my max volumetric flow rate and know my hotend’s limits. It’s fine if it isn’t as advertised, I don’t expect them to provide real life conditions in their marketing

[modest crane]

any company? Doubtful. They’d kinda be shooting themselves in the foot if they played fair considering they’re competing against other inflated results

[velvet badge]

But you do

There you go, assuming I test 😂

[modest crane]

hey garg that’s what I was saying 😡

[velvet badge]

I mean, ostensibly eventually people would pick up on "oh, Zoid Engineering has actual realistic numbers"

but also I am not a successful business person

perhaps do 1mm nozzle at 280C for PLA, and wave that all around, but also say "hey, these are selection biased marketing numbers, the real numbers are X"

[modest crane]

Yeah, this would be a good way

You seen the Takoto HE50 @lone hill ?

[velvet badge]

"Zoid Engineering encourages users to perform their own independent testing to validate reasonable flow rates for their own individual use cases"

[lone hill]

There used to be times where manufacturers (in any area) used to put a * and tiny letters to explain the caveats and the test conditions. They stopped.

[velvet badge]

now half the time there's an asterisk, but I can't find the actual caveat

[modest crane]

Those guys tell you how they test !! ^

[deft fog]

miragec had started to collect data on hotend flow with various nozzles and extruders.... He tried a few testing methods to collect data and changed some stuff for the second video.

[modest crane]

The HE50 has me tempted but I gotta look into it more.. seems like a monster

[lone hill]

Several years ago I worked for a company that manufactured wireless links. One of the products was advertised as being capable to provide a link up to 120km. This was a total bullshit, and worked only in theory, it’s next to impossible to achieve this in real life due to the requirement of clear Fresnel zone throughout the span of the link.

Marketing numbers should not be a large portion of the decision whether to buy product A or product B.

[modest crane]

Agree with you, that’s why I ignore numbers and buy whatever looks better

[velvet badge]

I mean, almost any frequency in the RF spectrum can manage 120km in a straight line as long as there's nothing in the way like say the curvature of the earth

[lone hill]

Yeah, but as a pre-sales engineer I dealt with customers who didn't know that and expected otherwise.

[velvet badge]

yes

"look OK if the tropospheric conditions are just right, there's this phenomenon called tunneling, see, and ..."

[modest crane]

at my work it’s “this can stay in the air for 2 weeks continuously”

wow you got two weeks flight time ?!

[lone hill]

And you know, not only that.. Considering the meager signal you get at that distance you're left with.. Idk, 5Mbps aggregated throughput? Can't remember the exact number, but you get the idea

[modest crane]

“Well no but if you…”

[velvet badge]

I'm guessing this is in GHz broadband comms? Hope it's not raining I guess?

also, we should probably stop hijacking BBL's build thread

[lone hill]

Yup, sub-6Ghz

[modest crane]

I hijack my own build thread all the time, I don’t mind

[lone hill]

BBL likes this activity, don't worry

[modest crane]

yeah I can slip my questions into the mix and nobody can tell if they’re stupid

[deft fog]

keep telling yourself that 🤣

[modest crane]

I’ll invent a way to dye rubber white and then it will be you who looks foolish!!

[onyx snow]

to add to the pile of stupid questions. when you work with a heatblock that big as an HE50. don't you need water cooling to get get rid of heatcreep?

also didn't CNC kitchen made a video about propperly testing the flow of a hotend?

[onyx snow]

found it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBi0-NotcP0

[modest crane]

that’s what they say about it in their specs. The HE50 does have that crazy looking coating on it though — and it does support water cooling

[modest crane]

removed the super shims (tm) and only have one now

[severe crown]

Paint?

[severe crown]

I run the uhf version and by run I mean I like how big it looks as it sits in the corner unused until I finish building my voron and then I can tune both

[modest crane]

@lone hill my extruder keeps breaking 😂😂

[lone hill]

Time for an LGX lite and a Rapido my friend, excellent combo

[modest crane]

Rapidos on the way!! LGX lite seems so expensive (mostly bc I’m impatient and wan to get it from a domestic source haha)

I’ll drop $200 in a day on parts I might use but $70 for an extruder?!

$70 for one of the most important components of the printer?! I could use that $70 on other things like uh

[lone hill]

Awesome! But you will get to that eventually

[deft fog]

That's $70 that could go towards simplify 3d

[modest crane]

🙄🙄🙄

[lone hill]

Just hoping you won’t go through every other option before you get to the “correct” one 😝

[modest crane]

obviously I’m gonna just PayPal @dusky linden the $70 to tune my prints to look like his

[deft fog]

It just takes a few weeks of tuning

[modest crane]

I should have just put one on my last order

@lone hill are you running genuine bondtech lgx?

[deft fog]

Gargamel spent more on rails than most spend on their merc conversions

[lone hill]

Yeah, sure. However I think I’m not running the LDO motor that came with it though, didn’t feel like cutting its wires

[deft fog]

I wish those pancake motors would use plugs rather than harnesses

[modest crane]

alright lgx lite gets here Thursday

[lone hill]

I want wireless everything when can I have that??

[modest crane]

Revive Tesla and if he was right about his wireless power you’ll have it

so… never

I need autoz offset my shit is all over the place

[deft fog]

mine is as well, with autoz lol

[lone hill]

Wait a minute, you use a sb2040 board?

[modest crane]

Yes why

🤨🤨🤨

[lone hill]

🤦🏻‍♂️
Yet my prints sometimes come out poorer than a stock Ender 3

[lone hill]

Oy…

[modest crane]

WHAT ?!

[deft fog]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-the-agents-know-dont-gif-18536773

[modest crane]

gulp

[lone hill]

Not sure if the sb2040 will fit the cavity left after mounting the LGXl, and don’t know about mounting holes

[modest crane]

oh

had me worried for a second

[lone hill]

Sorry…

[modest crane]

This will work I imagine

If not I’ll make it work.

aka floating pcb maybe some tape if im feeling real professional

had me thinking sb2040s were causing fires or something

well they probably do when I use them but

[lone hill]

😬

Ok…

[deft fog]

I figured gargamel was just upset with you for not using canbus yet.

[modest crane]

who do you think set my CANBUS up?!

[deft fog]

ohh wait you are, I was looking at the cad and lack of canbus

[modest crane]

yeah that’s just the hartk toolhead board

the can board has the same screw holes tho

@lone hill hello kitty v0 is getting closer tho

[lone hill]

That’s awesome dude!!!

[modest crane]

I would have started building already but the 0.2 has slowed me down, gotta see what parts I want to steal

[deft fog]

whats with the black mark on that one piece?

just go full 0.2

[modest crane]

too lazy to clean PEI sheet

[modest crane]

I’m going t0 (3 point bed leveling) and all the parts aren’t updated yet

[deft fog]

wasnt sure if it was a random burn in the plastic

[lone hill]

Natural color extrusions hope?

[deft fog]

I find that white likes to randomly burn in places

[deft fog]

chrome plated???

[modest crane]

gold atm, I couldn’t find any natural color 😢

[lone hill]

That’s not hello kitty then.

Turns out you are just like maze

You’re backtracking from your promise

[modest crane]

find them for me and I’ll source them

Money is no object

He says, seconds after complaining about a $70 extruder 😂

@lone hill is this the color in question?

[deft fog]

clear or silver, yes

[lone hill]

Is this t slot?

This color anyway

[deft fog]

ideally smooth, without the grooves

[modest crane]

I’ll see what I can drum up

Might have to fire up the anodization setup

Or get some sodium hydroxide

[lone hill]

Not sure abou 1515s, silver 2020 are easy to source

[lone hill]

Don’t go through that hassle…

[deft fog]

do you want a DIY approach?

plastic bin, simple green

soak for 1 hour or so

[modest crane]

Yea but I’d it’s not overly complicated what’s the point

[deft fog]

byebye anodizing

[modest crane]

Will my ultra sonic speed it up 😂

[deft fog]

will they fit?

[modest crane]

Yeah

[deft fog]

can try

[modest crane]

I got a big one so I can fit 4 racks of carbs

[deft fog]

its been a long time since I have stripped ano off parts

might not be 1 hour

that was just a number I made up, sounded good

[modest crane]

It really did 😂

I could powder coat them pink

[deft fog]

ez-off also removes it

white frame would be baller

and more pink accent parts

white belts

[modest crane]

Gonna see about remixing the new mini sb

Put a backlit hello kitty on the front in place of Voron logo

[lone hill]

Too much chatter, someone in this server will beat us to this kitty builds

[deft fog]

I made a hello kitty badz maru acrylic edge lit thing for my sister for christmass a few years ago, never took pictures of that one for some reason

[modest crane]

impossible

My CAD leaves some things to be desired so we’ll see haha

[velvet badge]

He might not have meant to, bit Gargamel talked me out of getting canbus just yet 🤣

[deft fog]

start with a vector program, draw the outline

convert to dxf

then use that to cut

[lone hill]

Did i?? I must resign here and now!

[modest crane]

you mean google “hello kitty vector” right??

[modest crane]

Security is on its way up to escort you out. How could you?!

[deft fog]

I only do things the hard way

[modest crane]

CAD at all is the hard way for me

The easy way is to sketch the logo and dremel it out

[deft fog]

I even made myself a turtle sign

[modest crane]

or throw it on the CNC router

[modest crane]

Engraved acrylic face lit?

[deft fog]

laser engraved

[modest crane]

Yeah thought about trying to get my top bay panel to do this

[deft fog]

actually if you can find a SVG, you could use bambu softfever to extrude a STL, and I think use that in the slicer to cut the logo in

[velvet badge]

I mean not really, but you reminded me that things like that can be an exercise in frustration, and I realized I needed to focus on getting back to printing first

Also @deft fog neat turtle!

[modest crane]

we print stuff here?

I missed that memo

[lone hill]

Do we?

[modest crane]

I sure don’t !!

[lone hill]

Eh. 3D printing is overrated. Tinkering is the thing!!

[modest crane]

Couldn’t agree more

Which is why I went triple z for my v0

I’ve never even used a stock v0 but gotta have all the new hotness I see

[lone hill]

I think the klicky with servo mount dock is enough of an overkill for my v0.1 😄

[deft fog]

do not believe you

[lone hill]

You don’t?? I’ll show later

[deft fog]

you will swap out klicky

https://tenor.com/view/boop-snoot-boop-the-snoot-nose-boop-nose-gif-17934128

[lone hill]

This is one of the more stupid things I’ve added, but was amazed by my incompetence of leveling a tiny 120 bed after the first time I meshed it 😝

It’ll have a piezo soon, I’m waiting for some CAD assistance from good soul

[modest crane]

@lone hill

[modest crane]

Does anyone see a problem here …

[velvet badge]

Microfit is totally compatible with JST-XH, right?

Whats that helping hands, and what are those pylon things?

[lone hill]

Microfit 3.0 is, well.. 3mm pitch.
And that’s a JST-PH, 2mm pitch.

[lone hill]

Lovely! I hope you noticed the mounting orientation instructions document…

[velvet badge]

Oh is that PH? I can't tell by eye. Or by caliper, but that's a separate problem

[modest crane]

4I DIDN'T

theres a document?

[lone hill]

Well.. turns out it’s just one image

https://github.com/VoronDesign/Voron-Stealthburner/blob/main/STLs/Stealthburner/Printheads/phaetus_rapido/Correct_Heatsink_Orientation.png

[modest crane]

why does this matter

[lone hill]

Because someone clever realized that a 3 screws and 4 screws may not match

[modest crane]

i bolted mine up no problem did i do it wrong

[lone hill]

The Rapido is mounted with 4 screws, where’s the heater core is with 3, so the direction of wiring of the heater core may not match

But it’s ok, if I’m your case it was fine, then cool! I believe its built in the factory totally random

[modest crane]

oh had me worried

I think it might be touching something though, smells a little crispy

I just soldered a microfit header to my sb2040 to fix the issue btw

[modest crane]

Reprinted my mini SB with the rapido and the parts actually fit together

didn’t know parts could just work right off the print bed, who knew 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[lone hill]

This is the first print after bringing this machine up again…

[modest crane]

testing sb colors?

I got some z issues for sure, gotta re adjust z offset every print :<

[modest crane]

hm now my sb2040 is having communication timeouts

[modest crane]

https://github.com/nhchiu/VoronMods/tree/main/Extruders/Hummingbird

Saving for later

[deft fog]

I like the tension lever on the stock lgx lite to much to use a printed extruder like that

makes for changing filament quick and easy

[modest crane]

😎😎

[velvet badge]

Looking for a new angle on things?

[modest crane]

Non planar printing

[modest crane]

no gantry bolts no problem

[deft fog]

fixed it with a little duct tape and shoe goo?

[modest crane]

less than that

I just took the front 2 bolts out and sat it level

then pressed print

[deft fog]

lol

The last time I did something similar, I melted the handle grip on a pair of side cutters and pushed the cutters around the bed for a minute or 2 before I realized something was wrong

[lone hill]

You need to tell me how this happened, because I want to tell you that with TAP it wouldn't have happened.

[deft fog]

Please do not challenge him

he will find a way to prove you wrong

[modest crane]

Forgot to take Dutch’s calibration print off the bed before queuing up a plate of parts

[velvet badge]

Oh I see, blame Dutch

[lone hill]

https://tenor.com/view/well-oh-gif-19009954

[dusky linden]

Yep

Strong parts

[copper swallow]

some fantasy features: end print macro; lower the bed close to bottom, than tilt it ~30 degrees downhill toward the front, driven by one of the an extra driver + motor, a rod/extrusion act as a print bed wiper (same movement as a car windshield wiper, same slope as the bed). than whitin the print start macro, the camera scans the bed for objects, and throws an error if it seems busy (hmm this one cold actually be possible, does it exist already something like that?)

[deft fog]

maybe you could play with making a macro for hydra to shake the bed?

[modest crane]

kinda? https://youtu.be/GHoWeC9ilSc

[copper swallow]

wow!! it wasn’t that far fetched as I thought!

however I also like turtle idea to shake the bed, we can study dogs movements when they scroll the rain off 😅… hopefully no delicate parts are printed

[modest crane]

my prints will probably slide right off the bed once they’re fully cooked

[lone hill]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-knocking-r-you-there-tom-and-jerry-are-you-there-hello-gif-15137335

[modest crane]

otw home from work rn 😎

[lone hill]

We do this PIS thing or I finish this beer and go to sleep???

[modest crane]

up to you but I’m down to shape some inputs

I’ll be home in like 15

[modest crane]

@lone hill u sleep ???????

[lone hill]

not yet but became tired half way through this beer

[modest crane]

heh, feel free to go to sleep fi you prefer, i dont even know where I put this POS

i meant PIS ofc ...

[lone hill]

Try to find this PIß, ping me let's see what state I'm at

[modest crane]

sir yes sir

Should be easy to find …

@lone hill found it 😛

[lone hill]

Tidy!

[modest crane]

lsusb with PIS plugged in

light is on

imma update klipper and reflash maybe that helps

[lone hill]

button pressed?

[modest crane]

no thats normal not dfu mode

button held while plugging in

[lone hill]

cool

compile klipper for rp2040

[modest crane]

bootloader offset?

[lone hill]

huh.. show?

[lone hill]

ok, no bootloader

tick the enable extra low level

[lone hill]

Ok.. we have different klipper version I see. Never mind - no bootloader

[modest crane]

flash it using pc

or can I make flash this thing

?

[lone hill]

save, make clean && make flash FLASH_DEVICE=2e8a:0003

[modest crane]

................

how did i not try the no bootloader option

it works now

lo;

bc I know you're gonna wanna see proof:

[lone hill]

Heh. good.

https://github.com/FYSETC/FYSETC-PortableInputShaper/blob/main/PIS.cfg

[modest crane]

is there an nozzle mount for sb or is the front face good enough ?

[lone hill]

No man, don't be crude! Use dutch's mount

[modest crane]

dutch has a mount for SB?

[deft fog]

its nozzle mount

[lone hill]

It's a nozzle mount

you beat me but i wrote it anyway

[deft fog]

it should fit any tool head that uses a nozzle

[modest crane]

do i gotta take the nozzle off? 😢

[deft fog]

yes

[modest crane]

i will be using a pair of pliers to do this.

[lone hill]

Can use a chewing gum, possibly?

[modest crane]

i dont own a nozzle wrench :/

[deft fog]

this thread makes me cry

[modest crane]

well

[lone hill]

Use your teeth

[modest crane]

i have like 5 nozzle wrenches

i dont know where a nozzle wrench is

[modest crane]

IM STRESS TESTING

[deft fog]

its with those y endstop brackets I printed for you

with the red logos

[modest crane]

i found one of those the other day 😄

no idea where it is now but I remember seeing it

[deft fog]

well that is where your nozzle wrenches are

[modest crane]

WHILE YOU'RE HERE HOW DO I MAKE A SLOPE BETWEEN THE CIRCLE AND THE SQUARE

cad is hard

[deft fog]

like that?

or?

[modest crane]

yeah or any type of good looking transition

ur feet look good u know what you're doing

this is for my v0 to use 38 feet :<

[lone hill]

You want a fillet I suppose?

[modest crane]

i dont even know what I want lol

i want it to look not terrible like it does now

[lone hill]

OK never mind this man, what's up with the FYSTEKCKDCKK

Are you gonna print the nozzle mount or what?

#1012073941390598175 message

[modest crane]

yeah I'll start it in a second once I put my stepper towers back on

lol

[lone hill]

good lord

OK mate

Read the instructions carefully and adjust your config

don't let the thing crash into the bed!

[deft fog]

probably a topic we can pick back up after you figure out PIS, so Gargamel can pretend to sleep

[modest crane]

i did figure out PIS

it's done 😄

and I already know how to do input shaping

I did it w my sb2040 already

[deft fog]

but quick run down of what I would do, sketch on the face with the arrow, makethe green line, move face and use said line for rotate axis

[modest crane]

ah I see

so im just gonna keep it like it is in that case

because that seems a bit beyond me

on a side not, this is a good time to add a second set screw to my stepper 🙂

[lone hill]

Bro, check probe_points: under [resonance_tester]. Confirm last number (z height) will clear the nozzle and PIS mount

[modest crane]

why would i have the bed near the nozzle when i test my resonance

seems scary

[lone hill]

Because you print on a bed, perhaps? You want to simulate the condition of the frame as it prints, but don't use 1mm or you are going to have another #demolition_derby material

[modest crane]

@deft fog is there supposed to be washers on top of stepper tower m5s

imma put washers bc mine towers are crunched

[deft fog]

no washers on top

if they crushed, you tightened to much

[modest crane]

bro remade the whole model just to demonstrate

it took me like an hour to make that 😂

[deft fog]

lol

[lone hill]

My Z probe point is 20 and it clears it fine, home the thing before you remove the nozzle

Yalla, I'm gone...

[modest crane]

sweet dreams

my merc will probably still be here when you get back

..probably

[lone hill]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-baby-sleepy-babe-falling-asleep-fall-asleep-gif-25288703

[modest crane]

ill even threadlock my set screws

[deft fog]

with auto z, I can home PIS off my sex bolt

[modest crane]

bc im feeling generous

[lone hill]

good brother

[modest crane]

bro is homing the piss of his sex bolt

that dont sound right

[lone hill]

I tap on it, works fine

[modest crane]

i have a sexbolt pcb in one of my bins

and 2 tap kits

and im still using inductive

[deft fog]

I just ordered this stuff last week, heard its better than loctite for printers

[lone hill]

I read vibra-tit. uhhh...

[modest crane]

im using green loctite

[deft fog]

ummmm

thats worse than red

[modest crane]

yeah i know i was jk

im using blue like a sane person

[deft fog]

I tried using purple on my sex bolt, didnt have the patience to wait for it to set

so changed it to blue

[lone hill]

Hmm the blue pill?

[modest crane]

man my other pulley was missing a set screw too

i cant wait to see gargamels reaction when i start building my ac servo stepper annex k3

ok i put blue loctite on my belts so they don't slide off of the pulleys 😄

[lone hill]

Dude, do you have even 1 printer completely finished??

Looks like you’re running 7 projects in parallel

[modest crane]

errrm

I never have one project finished

that sounds boring

I got my v0, merc, my creativity elf im probably gonna put a voron gantry on, a few ender 3s that need some love

[lone hill]

Uh, ok I won’t judge

[modest crane]

and the annex k3 when my tax return hits 😄

[modest crane]

I also bought a pink frame for the v0 so that's gonna get a rebuild eventually too

LOL

[deft fog]

wait, people finish printer projects????

[modest crane]

yeah wheres the fun in that

what do you do when the new hotness comes out?!

[deft fog]

my only printer that is finished, is my Bambu

so at least I have one printer I will not break from modding

[lone hill]

Ok so not finish-finish, but at least finish between orders

[modest crane]

my merc prints stuff all the time !!!!!!!

[lone hill]

Leave it in printing state and let it live

Good night again for the last time now

[modest crane]

(x) Doubt

[modest crane]

i gotta get klicky or tap set up soon

I can see my inductive deforming from the heat

In other news this was gonna be a great print before i accidentally hit my power switch while shimming a foot 😂

[deft fog]

why were you live shimming????

[modest crane]

it was wiggling LOL

i wasn't shimming for z reasons just because it wasn't sitting flat

which causes z issues but

[deft fog]

Attempt #2 sent yet?

[velvet badge]

Well catching up on this thread today was a whole trip

[modest crane]

lmaoo

Attempt #2 is a plate of ercf parts and yea it’s sent

[velvet badge]

I thought you were already running ERCF?

[modest crane]

no 😦

[severe crown]

This is why I bought an x1c, my merc was in the process of being calibrated when I started hydra.
My voron 2.4 with tap is physically complete and in the process of being calibrated and I just ordered an sb2040 this morning.

[lone hill]

SB2040? Fly or BTT?

[severe crown]

Fly

[lone hill]

The BTT thing is impossible to use if you're above 30y/o

[severe crown]

28, I'm cutting it close

[lone hill]

This is the reason. It took me several good minutes to make a single test crimp

[deft fog]

You should try wiring a adxl connector to a fly Gemini board, I think it was 1.4 pitch?

[lone hill]

It's the same pin type

Impossible to crimp

It's hopeless

1.25mm, the smallest JST type, known to be extremely difficult to crimp "at home". I bought 2 of these boards but will not attempt to use them

[severe crown]

I have bad eye sight, and bad dexterity in my hands due to nerve damage from a motorcycle accident. my solution was to use a magnifying glass to line up the wire and have a few marks on my stripper for different connectors. And tweezers to put the pins into the crimper

@deft fog I saw you mentioned lgx lite lever somewhere. I printed the cw2 and it will most likely be replaced by an lgx lite soon. I no likey

[lone hill]

Sorry to hear that!
These connectors are a very poor choice, I wish they supplied "pigtails". I doubt it can even accept something thicker than 28AWG

[severe crown]

@lone hill I'm on mobile and my signal is poor, google is taking forever. Since I'll probably be seeking your help anyway when I canbus my merc, what's your recommendation for canbus with the mercury one.1? Using the eva2.4 toolhead,. Rápido, lgx lite, octopus v1.1

And any cabling/ quick disconnect you would use

[modest crane]

I’d get an rj11 screw terminal adapter for your CANH/CANL connections

[lone hill]

Agree with OP for the board's side, as for the toolhead side you're all set since the fly board is supplied with the special XT30+2 connector and pre-fab cable

[modest crane]

he said Eva toolhead

I think sb2040 went on a Voron

[severe crown]

Yes

[lone hill]

😬
GRRR

[severe crown]

You're right

[lone hill]

Which CAN toolhead board?

[modest crane]

36 I bet 😂

[severe crown]

Whichever you tell me to buy

[lone hill]

WHICH 36?? There are 3 in the market!

[severe crown]

I know enough to know I know nothing, best to defer to the expert

[lone hill]

BTT EBB36, Fly SHT36 or MKS THR36

[modest crane]

can’t be wrong if you’re vague enough 😎

[lone hill]

take your pick...

I like my EBB36...

[modest crane]

I could get rich pre making harnesses for BTTs sb boards honestly

[lone hill]

It uses Molex Microfit 3.0 which sucks hard, but I find its connectors and I/Os to be just slightly better the Fly's SHT36

[severe crown]

Let me clarify as I'm sure I communicated poorly. I want to can my Merc, I will use whatever parts you tell me to as I will be most likely asking you for help.

[lone hill]

SHT36v2 uses XT30+2, which is an excellent connector

[modest crane]

Yes I actually love that connector

Bought a set of them from Ali

[lone hill]

See... I have both the SHT36v2 (unused) and the EBB36. As I said, I love the EBB36, but its drawback is the connector. The SHT36 is almost equally as good, it uses a better inlet power/communication connector but the I/Os are mostly JST-PH which I dislike.

Then.. there's the THR36 which I have no 1st hand experience, it uses JST-XH and proper screw terminals (awesome) but has a very peculiar large round footprint. On the plus side, it uses an excellent MCU, the Raspberry Pi 2040...

It's a tough choice

[severe crown]

@modest crane I fried an octopus mainboard building my voron. Cheap multimeter where the probes didn't get a reading on the very tips. Cough, Zap, pop, smoke, f##k. Half my motors stopped working

[lone hill]

I think the EVA has strain relief on the side? If that's the case, take your pick between EBB and THR.
If you use strain relief from the top and don't mind crimping JST-PH (2.0mm) - SHT is probably a good choice

Again the THR gets bonus points for the Pi2040 MCU. It's good and impossible to brick unless you burn it.

[severe crown]

Eva has strain relief

[lone hill]

On the side, not on the top of the motor, correct?

[severe crown]

I will use whichever you tell me to. yes here's a photo

[deft fog]

EBB36 works well, I have a THR36 I need to test, which I like its connectors better... but have not used it yet

the fly36 can be a hit or miss

also you should bring your drunken build thread back from the dead 🙂

[lone hill]

Go for the EBB then. You won't suffer any of the possible issues from microfit 3.0 connector as the strain relief is separate and the pins will suffer no movement

If Turtle approves his THR - it's definitely a viable option. Would be much easier to use due to the use of easy-to-crimp JST-XH 2.5mm pitch pins and screw terminals

It's also super cheap!

[deft fog]

yeah, I hope it works well because of the full size connectors

its cheap enough to order one to try, even if its trash 🤣

[lone hill]

Almost half price of the other two

Oh - I now remember that @copper swallow has one as well, and successfully bench-tested it

[deft fog]

he has moved to his drunk thread 🙂

[lone hill]

@modest crane want me to clean this up for you?? 😆 My apologies, you know I'm not good at keeping stuff tidy, threads included

[deft fog]

he likes the chaos

[lone hill]

@copper swallow the action moved to #1028173296241475654 😆

[copper swallow]

here I am… ohh there i go

[modest crane]

yeah I like when my posts are hidden by interesting discussion

Hide the sins 😎

[deft fog]

highlight the sins you say?

[modest crane]

💀

poor merc

[lone hill]

Make it the thread's thumbnail

I give it a score of 10/10 in demo derby contest

...because he printed despite any damage!

[modest crane]

quick release gantry mod ..

[modest crane]

@lone hill might be your lucky day …

Just got delivered, might have to finish the merc

[lone hill]

What the heck is wrong with you?? What's with this silly consumerism??

I just bought 7 sizes of white split loom and 8 sizes of regular sleeves - that's the way it should be done!

[modest crane]

COLORS

[modest crane]

split loom 🤮

[lone hill]

I size of ping loom also...

[modest crane]

what is that

[lone hill]

pink

🤦‍♂️

[modest crane]

oh

[modest crane]

Triangle labs is deranged.

[velvet badge]

They want you to have the fun of sorting them yourself!

[modest crane]

think I might have to get a serial soon, got almost all the parts printed for a cohesive color scheme, and even for my matching cable sleeving

but what if instead I find something else to mod on the merc 😮

[modest crane]

reprinting hydra arms and motor mounts in my accent color

Might also reprint them in black just to compare 🤷‍♀️

I sure do love wasting “plastic string” as people on Facebook marketplace call it

[deft fog]

whats the overall look currently?

[modest crane]

Will show when I get home

But accent is the color of my sb face

Light blue grey

[deft fog]

so new front towers and motor mounts?

[modest crane]

yes I have tension tower, din drops, and the various din brackets done already

And I built a third sb … but this has the ZeroG logo and the tension arm for CW2 is beefed up

because my previous tension latch broke in half

It’s superglued together and still currently in use 😂

[deft fog]

thats not a very strong lension arm

[mossy heart]

thats bald

[mossy heart]

WTF

u must repent

[modest crane]

why? working as intended.

[mossy heart]

My creality bed is as straight as that

[modest crane]

That’s… not ideal 😛

I guess now's a good time to finish the merc

[modest crane]

got beacon installed and working, first layers are looking sexy

Just bed meshed in 20 seconds and it probed 30k points ._.

[old hamlet]

Does it add all those points in klipper?

[deft fog]

Thats what you get for using mismatched bolts

[modest crane]

100x100

[velvet badge]

Sir that is a flag waving in the breeze

[mossy heart]

wtf

[mossy heart]

nice. i want 1 ngl

I could see it being super useful. I think that dual using it could be a thing. beacon to get ur bed info then u use an actual probe. so u can get more accurate meshes without losing the detail

[modest crane]

more accurate

probe accuracy results: maximum 1.990112, minimum 1.989587, range 0.000525, average 1.989855, median 1.989869, standard deviation 0.000079

[mossy heart]

damnnnn

WTF

standard deviation

[mossy heart]

they updated their website again...

the only thing with beacon is the priec

[modest crane]

Yeah that’s my beacon with my iffy z

I have seen smaller

[mossy heart]

yea its nutty

gotta see the range

[modest crane]

Like distance from bed ?

[mossy heart]

0.79u?

79 sry

79um

[mossy heart]

nope I meant what ever number thing where make different

[modest crane]

WHAT

[mossy heart]

idk the name anymore. just wanted to see when converted to smaller form.

[modest crane]

idk what that means tbh 😂

[mossy heart]

ik that micrometers, millimeters

and more

0.079um (micrometer) is beacon precision

[modest crane]

nanometers

[mossy heart]

tap is 0.4μm

I think that i did math wrong too

Extreme precision 0.4μm (0.0004mm)

0.000079

lol

[modest crane]

yeah

and beacon is insanely fast

100x100 mesh took 30 seconds

With 2 passes

[mossy heart]

dmn

Ur gonna run into ur board being issue

[modest crane]

I got 4GB ram on the sbc that’s in my merc

[deft fog]

being that he has already run this, I do not think the board is going to be an issue

[mossy heart]

I mean if u have multiple machines on one board. Also if u try and speed do a good mesh.

[velvet badge]

Wait how does this work? That's 0.003 seconds per point

[mossy heart]

https://beacon3d.com/product/beacon/

[modest crane]

I scan the bed with speed set to 300

[mossy heart]

damnn

ok

I'm waiting for vez to get stupid numbers with it

[modest crane]

This is on my slower settings as well

I think this was a 250x250

don’t mind the electrical tape I was testing what it would probe through lol

[mossy heart]

lick the wires

[velvet badge]

The tickle is how you know it's working

[old hamlet]

I want one now