#what does your headspace look like :)
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ours is clouds and space, which are things we like and find comfort in :3
but its very complex and hard to explain everything else, but thats like the general thing
we have layers too, thats why its complex 😭
the space and clouds are on seperate layers i think
it's very complicated cause we have a dandelion field on one of our layers because thats something we take comfort in
Just a circle of pillars reflecting the color of each alter around a table
i know what it looks like but we can’t actually see it or anything. just our version of imagination i guess.
control area (like in inside out) with a green field at the back and rooms floating over it.
nods !! similar w us. theres a microphone podium for the fronter. thays about it
some of us have drawn it. its only black and white
we really put the void in toothvoid
i kinda want to draw ours but haven’t yet.
A long jail cell with bunkbeds for the frequent fronters😔 or atleast the “main” crew
wxcept one of them gets to have a desk where he does… stuff ig
our main fronting area is just a white fold-up chair in front of a projector
btw we didn’t like- create this or anything, this all just showed up😭 we never “designed” the HS, it just appeared like that and we cant change it
sometimes theres a courtyard for playing basketball and running around but its surronded bu tall prison walls
i was waiting until you said yours is ridiculous LMAOO
giggling hes special
he is special
[Reply to:](#1371133630474096690 message) giggling hes special
Our subsystems headspace is a room (dunno what it looks like but kinda void like afaik) and then we know that one alter has his own room and we know what it looks like but otherwise that’s about it
we used to have a house and some trees but its gone again
house tree privleges revoked </3
jst void
toothvoid (get it)
and the sky ocean
dont even remind me bro 41 be freakin us out for NOTHIN
And then the main sys’ front room used to kinda just be a white void with furniture and stuff but someone decided it was gross so it’s like a cabin aesthetic kinda deal
oh sorry😭
[Reply to:](#1371133630474096690 message) dont even remind me bro 41 be freakin us out for NOTHIN
Way cooler ngl
We have a couple rooms for alters but mostly littles and then two others for two introjects
One was annoying as hell (don’t worry he doesn’t care) and the other was just very much missing his source
[Reply to:](#1371133630474096690 message) And then the main sys’ front room used to kinda just be a white void with furniture and stuff but so…
What does icl mean?
[Reply to:](#1371133630474096690 message) bad w tonetags icl
it wasnt as freaky as the forest of misery
who the hell let 41 build our headspace
i cant lie
cw// violence
bro was like "hey dont go in there youll get ||ripped to shreds by them"|| WHO is THEM??
mind you 41 is a 4'3 11 y/o
so bro said it in a ":3" kinda tone BAHAH
Ours, the fronting space you can see to it if your not in front and it's like two glass walls, there is a door on one side of the main space and it goes to memories and stuff, and then on the other side there are rooms for people- some share rooms some have their own rooms
In the main area there can be a variety of things that are in the main room- some times the glass walls are opace or dark and you can't see through, their also sometimes locked if someone's locked into front and no one can get in, in like the deviding room it's like a viewing ish area- your kinda fronting but not
frequent fronter btw, doesnt have a little's mindset-- so dw
reading these are nuts because as someone with aphantasia how in the flying fuck can brains come up w that
Ahhhh
Wait we did a drawing of the main sys headspace agesss ago
It’s not accurate but imma see if I can send it
From late 2023 😭
It’s a bit different now but that’s ok
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Our head space is acers of land in Uppsala Sweden with trees and a river and lots of green grass, a outhouse to the right and a red and white Swedish home built by some of our system mates and even if you were to go in the back yard you would see a big pourch, pool and hot tub, playground for the littles, a fence and you would see me and my husband's Finish lapland puppy Hanatamago she is fluffy and white as snow, inside you have a kitchen and a dining room that has a bay windows and a China cabinet then we have a sitting room a hallway and we have upstairs some bathrooms and a room that the 3 little girls have one part of and a curten blocks off a part for Astrid on her side with her goth style, the little have paw patrol my little pony excetra on their side with the trippke bunk bed and a small TV for cartoons,
Norway and denmark are married so they share a alternative, emo and gamer style room with magic theme because Norway loves that stuff and norwegin and Danish teams as well, denmark has the pc set up because he loves to make YouTube videos though his husband Norway is way better at videogames then anyone in the system, then you have Sweden and finlands room which has nature, plants, a TV and finish and Swedish stuff and lots of IKEA things and momins were recently added because Finland loves them and they have a side for their puppy, Lukas our host has their own anime style room with gaming stuff in it when they are not fronting, also recently in the basement we added carpet and made me and Finlands 13 year old boys ladonia and Sealand their own rooms, Ladonia have a white and green ocean theme room and Sealand has a blue and white salor theme with a few Swedish flags because he really looks up to me and seeguls on his wall also a few model ships he made and in ladonias room their are real lava rocks, now in Icelands room he has his Icelandic lava and ice themed stuff, Puffins, a gaming set up, Northern lights on the walls and a big bed with stuff from hongkong on one side for when his boyfriend honkong stays the night
uh
what?
how is that possible /lh
also isnt being married hard for recovery? not that it isnt sweet and that inner relationships cant happen however it would cause the want to recover
im curious about that too 
||HOLY|| tw: all caps
No not at all actually
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Were not the only one suprisingly many if you look it up have this and many have alters that are married and have had kids. I have even read about some people asking what to do because they have a alter that is pregnant. idk what to do about that. Plus we are not recovering per say we are working to stay as a system family, work though our truama and even working to keep our alter after truama heals. Its not multiplicity its just our own custom system goals were working on in therapy. Our therapist works with many who have married alters and works with many whos alters also have kids. Its not talked about much but it is a thing. We are faretly know to learning more in depth about our system and learning about others who experiance stuff in their systems similar to ours
[Reply to:](#1371133630474096690 message) how is that possible /lh
Yes I got carried away because we have the description of our inner world written in a journal. Did not realize their was a message limit except for discord lol so we split the message in two
[Reply to:](#1371133630474096690 message) ||HOLY|| tw: all caps
Also no its not messing with the want to recover because we don't want to recover we just want to work to be a better system family really and keep helping our host and each other. We have a page of goals about it for therapy. Took us days of self reflection and lots of talking to our therapist and oyr system mates and our bottom line is no goodbye. More of a work together more and figure out why things are the way they and and how to stay together
[Reply to:](#1371133630474096690 message) also isnt being married hard for recovery? not that it isnt sweet and that inner relationships cant …
:d
Trust me we have learned a lot from other systems, others online and systems like the ring system on youtube and our therapist
we want to get to the point of being pretty functional, which in our eyes is recovery, but not to the point of final fusion- personally
yeah
i feel like we probably wouldnt be able to get to the point of final fusion anyways, because of how complex we are 😭
Yea, we don’t want to do final fusion either, we’re pretty functional rn either way
( our OT helped a fair bit with that tbh )
everyone has their own goals, so as long as people arent trying to force their ideas and goals onto me, ill be fine :)
we havent decided
we want less dissocisyive barriers tho
gettin tired of the blackout amnesia </3
Pregnancy??? 😟
[Reply to:](#1371133630474096690 message) Were not the only one suprisingly many if you look it up have this and many have alters that are mar… 📎
Intresting enough the little girls all between 1 1/2 2 and 3 came together as sisters. Then their 22 year old Swedish friend who has been watching them all their lives she she is a background quiet type who loves the girls to death. The 3 girls call our host identity mama. Me and the other 4 Nordics are known as the Nordic 5 we are personifications of nation alters and work in the government of our nations. Interesting to learn that alters with jobs in the government are really rare. We don't know more about that topic. Also me and my husbands boys Ladonia and Sealand are both 13 and us Nordic 5 are all family before we knew the others in the system. Norway is Iceland's big brother. Denmark and Norway are married as well. The Nordic 5 we are all protectors. I am the head protector because the inner world is located in Uppsala Sweden my nation and Astrid is the original protector. She gave us 5 Nordics the job as she wanted to retire from that and be a background protector helping kinda in the shadows as she says, Anastasia she is 2 and she is our gatekeeper. Despite her age she is really good at her job, Sandy the little girl she is the co host loving to host with mama Lukas as our host identity is called by the 3 girls who are all sisters. Julia has no role, unknown is when we don't know who we are most the time they keep to themselves, our host identity sees me as their big brother and I see them as my little sister. We are the closest bonded together which is why i am not just a protector but also a comforter. Me and Finlands boys have no roles but they act like they want some so may find their roles one day. We don't know
I’ve never heard of alters getting pregnant. What would the process even be?
thats not possible😭
Idk I was reading about systems and someone said they had a pregnant alter. It was something I never heard of but then others comment they had a pregnant alter before. So I guess it can happen aparently
[Reply to:](#1371133630474096690 message) Pregnancy??? 😟 📎
wow
the being a parent is understandable actually, theres caretakers that feel very bonded to a certain little in the system so they will consider them their child or own, thats understandable 
Obiously its not like the real way but how it works we have no idea, we just was the topic and was like hmmm what's this about
i dont understand how that would work,, wouold the child from the pregnancy be like an npc,, or would it just split/form a new alter
ysah yeah gotcha
^^^
I never understood npcs in headspaces i dont know what that is
Some refer it to that but I am just a messanger of what I read not stating facts
[Reply to:](#1371133630474096690 message) i dont understand how that would work,, wouold the child from the pregnancy be like an npc,, or woul…
Npcs don’t make sense to me either, prob cause we don’t have npcs at all
we dont have npcs either
we personally dont like the term either, for no specific reason
me too
we dont either it makes it feel like a game or something fun when it isnt
I got really curious so looked it up, take this with a grain of salt we don't belive much we read but some said npc akters are like alters in the system but function independentky and are oddly common but how well therapists know about them or if therapists agree or disagree idk
we were told that npc alters dont front either,, so
mhm
and tbh we hate the terms fictive and factive so were kinda picky ourselves
yeah
mhm
We are ok with the word fictives. All 5 of us nordic 5 are fictives ourselves
we use it for lack of a better term, and organization purposes
fictive for ourselves feels wrong
prolly cus of tiktok did fakers or smthin
like we dont care for others but for us its jst
yucky idk
lol
Do all alters not function independently??? Also, like, there are alters who just don’t front. Calling them ‘non-playable characters’ is just mildly dehumanising imo
literally this
yeah
mhm
we could never. if anyrhing, a fragment would be a better word
apparently theyre similar to fragments,, our friend says
We aren't on tik tok we hate it. But how to see the bad and good of using a lable comes down to what you do with it. Like for us we don't go and pretend to be made up and tv show character like for example which we have seen DID fakers do with the term fictive and we hate that so much
yeah literally (fuck you dyno)
nono ik its personal to us
esp w how our introjects from common media get treated
we dont like being in online system spaces often, cause people are toxicc
we have tiktok, mainly for service dog content
one of our creepypasta introjects doesnt give two shits abt his source but ppl ask them sll the time and joke about them
We don’t use tiktok personally
yeah we’re also picky, we are very careful to see if they are pro-endo or anti-syscourse (because being neutral is still allowing misconceptions and harmful information)
us with promoting our art -- need the moneyss 🙏
art tiktok
never use it
we are anti, but understand that some people could be misinformed and thats why they use the terms
jst promotin ma shit
?
anti syscourse
oh yea nods
we jst
dont give two shits about it, like we're livin our life tryin to make do as a college kid
dont got time for it
yknow
jst doin what helps in therapy and ignoring what doesnt
yeah, we dont like interacting with that stuff
nodders
therapist would be the best informed.
We are a very shy system and feel ya. We joined one DID and OSDD group on facebook. The day we heard multiplisity, and the other terms we forgot that involve alters going away we asked about that because we were scared of what they ment and really needed advice from systems, mind ya the group has rules posted no where so we didn't know them and all we did was ask nicely what they are and at the time knew some of those things and they scared us. When we posted that we not only got our post taken down facebook blocked us on the group then the leader un blocked us and sent us to a part of the group that was talking about people wanting these things, yet we don't want these so it was not helpful at all and scared us even more at the time. We aren't scared anymore we have had weeks to learn and understand and know we just want to stick with our custom goals only ]
[Reply to:](#1371133630474096690 message) we dont like being in online system spaces often, cause people are toxicc
True but honestly I hear some therapists still think you can die from DID
[Reply to:](#1371133630474096690 message) therapist would be the best informed.
Dawg what
im worried about getting a therapist that will try to force final fusion on us
Lock in, get a therapist that helps
wh huh
not what hurts
they have the medical knowledge and brain structure - not an online system or a youtuber.
mhm
they know the science. thats my point.
i love psychology and science and stuff
Our OT isn’t a DID therapist but they were instrumental in helping us get functional so sometimes you find good therapists in the weirdest places
our therapist mentioned it to us but we havent decided if it works for us. most good therapists tho are welcome to the alternative -- its jst the auto presumption
Believe it or not our therapists told us about how DID was first made public in the 70's because a Ohio guy was arrested and turned out he knew nothing about anything he did and was then evaluated for mental health and was given the diagnoses DID. We learned about this as a way our therapist was answering how our host identity grandfather born in the 20's some how knew our host identity had alters when were our host identity was 5
[Reply to:](#1371133630474096690 message) therapist would be the best informed.
oh my god dont ping me the flash of yellow is awful
Sorry
its alr 🙏 i jst need to be able to drive home thx LMAO
My therapist isnt a DID therapist either and I don’t think she knew what it was but I’m not sure. I had to tell her all research I did and what it is but she is a trauma/ptsd therapist I believe ^^
mhm
but there are good therapisrs out there
shes really chill about us and asks how we are doing with everything
Yes our therapist he is the best just gotta keep trying till ya get the right one
one time we split during therapy and she was so kind and helpful
she helped him get grounded and settled
i cant wait to finally see a psychologist whos educated in DID
Our OT is the coolest but not the best equipped to help with this stuff so we do still need a DID therapist but there aren’t any in our area that take adolescents sadly
We did that once and in our system journal it says that is the first time our therapist met sweet little Sandy a little adorable innocent autistic girl that has trouble navigating the world
are you talking about a little?? and that only she is autistic? /genq
Its fun with our therapist who is educated in DID and even knows our case worker so they both cordinate with getting us therapy times, our case worker drives us there and we even can talk to our case worker about DID because her and our therapist convers since our case worker is working to be a therapist herself so our therapist is like a mentor to her
No were all autistic but at the time we didn't know conditions can be system wide
Sandy was one of the first few alters to show themselves
our current therapist isnt very educated in it, so she doesnt want to jump to conclusions, but she thinks we could, so shes helping us find a psychologist and convince our mom to take us to one
is she a little though? just wondering cause you said “sweet little sandy”
Yes she is a little, just like her 2 bigger sisters
please don’t talk about your littles in a public place. that’s not safe at all. that’s like sharing your child. that’s not right.
Alright
We talk about our littles plenty on here. In our opinion they aren’t an actual child, there’s no seperate human being that we’re endangering, they also aren’t actually that age
The reason you don’t talk about young children online is cause that’s a separate human that can’t give informed consent to you sharing their info
either way whenever it comes down to it i believe that if they have an older mindset then yes but if they have a young mindset (which we don’t know if they do) they should absolutely not be advertised even if they are an alter in a system
Do we have the same attitudes for animal alters or..?
I’m saying it’s nowhere near sharing the info of an actual child
we dont like sharing a lot of our sys info online anyways
i am talking about littles! not non human alters. i don’t believe that you should be advertising littles on the internet. you could bodily be an adult but if a little is fronting then it could be a child like mindset and that isnt alright to share on the internet. everyone is entitled to their own opinions but i was just sharing mine.
now if a non human alter happens to be a little then i feel like they should not be shared on the internet
Alter ages are not literal, there is no literal child anywhere. This varies per system but there is a reason some little alters can cuss and discuss intercourse and do complex things. They are not actual children.
People can discuss whatever alters they want to. I understand not wanting littles in the chat but not wanting people to acknowledge their littles’ existence is weird
people can know people have littles but saying their names in a public discord server to me is fucking weird.
A little is a child, do not talk about child alters, esp their name and stuff. Its litreally like talking about an actual child 😭
They have a younger mindset and age
Its not safe
No it’s not???
It’s no different from me talking about our alter Michael, Michael is a dude, he is a dude who is also full grown, Michael’s existence as an alter who is fully grown doesn’t mean that us as a bodily minor can do things that adults do like drive cars.
Charlie’s existence as an alter who is a little ( I.e. a child in alter age ) doesn’t mean shit because they still have the same mental capacity as the rest of us
We agnknowlege them, just not in public. Only with our partner and ourselves
[Reply to:](#1371133630474096690 message) People can discuss whatever alters they want to. I understand not wanting littles in the chat but no…
That doesnt makes sense if theres a child with the same mental capacity as an adult (not including middles which are 13-15) ((and there are some rare cases)) , in that case why would they be a little
what do you mean younger than 13? like you’re younger than 13?
Being an adult alter is different than being a little. They have fragile emotional states and mental states, because that alter, a little, is a regressed part of the body essentially
[Reply to:](#1371133630474096690 message) No it’s not???
It’s no different from me talking about our alter Michael, Michael is a dude, he is …
a 13 year old would be fine!! but whenever it comes down to littles that have younger mindsets it can be dangerous. if a little who was 4 for example was on a vc and advertising themselves on an internet on the phone or talking to someone who makes specific jokes it can be bad for the little.
Cause that’s not the defintion of little??? Does Zain become a little alter when he regresses? No.
Because little/middle/etc refer to the non-literal concept of alter age
Thats not what I meant, not age regression, I’m talking about how the brain formed the little
littles are usually formed from trauma from whenever you was that age so it’s usually a littler mindset
This ^
There are some cases where the little is not a littler mindset but most of the time if they are little and have a childlike mindset and is under 13 they should not be revealed in a public server
Keywords ‘usually’ ‘most of the time’. Ours are not, ours can very much do grown up things and can very much provide informed consent on whether or not they can be discussed online
you aren’t getting it
The blanket statement of ‘don’t discuss your littles online’ is ridiculous
You as a system have to determine which alters you want to be discussed online
Do not be arbitrary as shit about it
Thats your opinion, I just don’t think children should be exposed to those who could harm your system and be weird to them
i’m saying don’t say their names if they are under 13. yes alters can have an older mindset but i don’t want to talk to an 8 year old even if they do hsve an older mindset. you are entitled to your own opinions of course.
Mhm mhm
well, unfortunately for ya’ll’s weird pearl clutching, our littles are not on the list of ‘alters of ours who don’t want their name/info discussed online’
Don’t be rude about it
I’m not being rude
this is rude.
You just said “yalls weird pearl clutching”, its rude. You don’t need to agree with us but theres no need to be rude
i am speaking from personal experience of shit going down from sharing a littles name with friends.
it can be scary
Okay. That’s your experience. I’m saying that any system is free to share whatever info they want to share online as long as it’s not doxing themselves
Going to another system and going “you can’t discuss that alter” is weird
I never said it like that 💀 I said its dangerous and unsafe to talk about your littles
Its not weird
Literally just looking out for you😭
Ok we said a little name and we admit it as a mistake we forget lots of the time and we are sorry for it but what in the world did we come back to. Did we start a argument since we have been away texting a friend if we did i'm sorry
Thats the same thing
Its okay no worries!
It’s fine, it’s fine
its not because of you it’s because i said that littles (if they have a little mindset) should not be shared online as it can be dangerous
You didn’t do anything
We were just like hmm wonder how the convo has been going since we left and got lost
yeah valid😭
Yes we agree this a lot
i just got back and in leaving again what even the hell im so confused
someone got upset because i said littles names shouldnt be shared online for privacy and safety reasons
Blake and Silly think they can decide which alters other systems can and can’t talk about
thats two very different statements
Right there with ya void
giggling 🤝
Blake and Silly are of the opinion other systems shouldn’t share info about their little alters because are equating little alters to actual children
I am laughing a bit to but that is because we are easy to make laugh even if its not supposed to be laughed at. Were not proud of the issue but eh it is what it is
What privacy?
the mental mindset since they can have the mental mindset of a child even though you are bodily older. conversation is over.
Okay, yea, good, cause clearly this will go absolutely nowhere
mhm.
Also, while I’ve been reminded of it; does anyone here know what’s up with Brit? They @-ed me earlier in #📝suggestions as if I’m a mod
( @ PrettyBrit so idk what else to call them )
Hm. I kinda see what they’re on about, but alter age does not equivilate mentality. It is up to the system to deem what should be private and what isn’t. If an alter is regressed— “litte” per say— then they most likely shouldn’t be talking in public discord servers. However, unless a part is actively causing harm by spreading information on the little, it shouldn’t be an issue.
Littles ≠ Literal children/regressed
Telling information ≠ child endangerment or exposing the little
You are bodily your age. Littles can have younger mindsets— but they are not literal children.
I hope I make sense 
Gotcha!
One of our most common fronters is 11 years old. Will make NSFW jokes, best driver in the system, won Cards Against Humanity several times, etc. Them being 11 years old does not make it where we need to hide them from the internet. They are one of our most frequent fronters.
They also aren't a literal child. Littles are not literal children-- they are child parts. Children mentality. Younger mindset. Not a literal kid.
I think I was a bit misinformed and thats my bad on my part, however I was on the right track but somethings weren’t correct and thats my bad
I guess not really on the right teack I apologize
I meant it more in if they have a littler mindset, I do apologize I genuinely had good intentions
Thanks Void for saying what I was trying to say but in grown-up words cause that genuinely summarises my entire point
Both of y'all were rude and it got heated quickly. If you're overwhelmed I recommend stepping back before sayin shit that will make your opinion sound like shit (not at anyone specifically)
Sincerely, someone whos been heated over stupid shit and then my opinion becomes irrelevant cus im emotional LMAO
Mhm I understand, I do realize that it highly depends on the system and you know your own system mates better than anyone
Right, makes sense
nodders dw giggling
not mad at no one ofc im jst shit with tone tags LMAO
erm uh what are the tones tags uh
/lh ? srs? /nice? idek 😭🫶
So Arson I do genuinely apologize /gen
im trying </3 LMAOO
I was being way too pushy and I thought I was doing right when I didn’t realize that every system is different in their needs n shit. So I do apologize for being rude and everything 
so uh
what do yalls headspave look like BAHHA
this was the wrong forum the whole time i jst didnt say anything LMAOO
Me too, I was — in fact — being an rude
Ours depends a lot on the layer, my layer is void, big void of nothing
We shake hands -- Oh my god
i did nto mean ro send that gif
help
im killing youp
oop
mb
Oof
i have violent tendancies at dyno /j
i said same at the void and then lmao !! but not lowercase cus im not a dry ass texter
oh hush
and then dyno said thats enough being funny silence wench
alright its not demi anymore who am i
Unfortunately this server forces you to be a dry texter
horrid </3
Hey what was that about the alters being pregnant stuff? I mean I’m sure an alter could have the appearance of being pregnant for reasons I don’t want to get into but they can’t like- have a child who is an alter or something
I’m a little confused cause I’m bad at comprehending big paragraphs of text
The sys with a lot of euro alters was saying it, i forget what their sys name is
It was me but it had to do with many systems in other places saying it. I said I don't belive many things I read its just what others have said that I read because it popped up and I was curious
Ahh ok
Yeah I’ve heard of it before
Lots said it so I got curious and read more lol
That concept is getting in my opinion to the can this happen or not and how rabit hole but its fun to sometimes read chat forums and see what others are experiencing
Yeah fair enough! I am generally careful about what forums I look in to make sure they’re not pro-endo or whatever
True me to but we also like to do it to see what we can ask our therapist more about to learn more. We love learning g new stuff and seeing if its true and if we have experienced it and yes true I try not to look at pro endo anything
I mean, as long as you’re not claiming you formed alters that way ( cause that’s not possible ) then I don’t see much problem
True no one should ever do so
We just read and ask what is fact and what is fiction because we write it in our journals to remember due to our memory loss and so we can help other asking the same
for about 2 years i thought i was plural and my headspace loked like this!
huh?? why do you have the alters role when your not a system
[Reply to:](#1371133630474096690 message) for about 2 years i thought i was plural and my headspace loked like this!
Thought? Uhm if you aren’t a system you don’t have a headspace? You could be a system but in denial, that happened with us in middle school and we rediscovered recently
Plus you have the alters role?
So.. 😭
You are plural
You can have a headspace without being a system
Headspace’s aren’t like system exclusive
Therapists can help non systems build them if they think it’ll be
Helpful
(Didn’t mean to start a new line there)
No
You can have a headspace without a system
It's like a mental map of your brain
Ahh okay gotcha
but there isnt alters
yeh
Like yknow when some therapists want you to "picture your dream or calm location"
kinda like that
Ohhh!!
gotcha gotcha, that makes more sense.
I would like out of our headspace jail cell </3
shaking the bars of my enclosure (litreally /j)
i dont have one
i cant even hear them
just one or two voices sometimes
it kinda sucks not knowing anything abt ur system thats not in sp
ah i joined the server when i thought i was - i should change that haha