DID/OSDD-1 System Chat

[timber gull]

I just kind stop moving and stare my eyes unfocus and it's not like I can't force myself to move but I don't move and it feels horrible to move like I committed a crime XD

I just kinda stay and wait for it to pass unless someone interrupts me or I become aware that it's happening then I can move again

Another thing I forgot to add is that dissociation can also lead to lots of brain fog, confusion, not fully being aware of your surroundings, etc.
They can happen before and after the episode as well, especially if it takes a while to get out of that dissociated state

Brain fog? What does that feel like

Like you can not think, or at least not very much, your head feels cloudy, it's usually accompanied by a weird autopilot state for me

Yea get that for a short amount of time

M kinda used to adapting

And pretending to be completely fine

And it's like my brain doesn't want me to know it's happening

So when I notice I start to be able to move

[weak basin]

GG @heady hornet, you just advanced to level 8!

[timber gull]

Have a bit of confusion and takes me a bit to remember what was happening previously before that

But can usually remember after thinking hard

[timber gull]

How did all the DID systems here even when undiagnosed figure out the amnesia other than "finding things you don't recalling putting in that place or buying"? I don't really buy stuff or move stuff. M at school all day and don't have time for that.

[ember vessel]

forgetting i had a conversation. when i see i had the conversation, i notice that it looks somewhat familiar and that “i’ve” obviously had it, but i have no/limited memory of talking to the person and having the actual conversation.

[tight flax]

Depends, my co hosts have basicalky access to everything except for a few bits of time which have been buried for idk why, trauma? But it depends on the person, some people remeber everything when their not fronting, some only remever parts, non that i know dont remever anythung though, it just depends

[weak basin]

GG @ionic forge, you just advanced to level 3!

[timber gull]

I currently identify as an OSDD system but everytime I go to say OSDD I hear someone say "DID" or I say it as if I know but I don't think there's any amnesia but I might be forgetting.

Now for what you said ive had a real life conversation and immediately forgot I talked to that person only remember like an hour or 2 later when my dad brought it up because I was supposed to tell him what the person said. Then I was so confused because I forgot in approximately 10-15 seconds because I was on the top of the hill where my house was on, walked down, forgot everything, so that's why I'm questioning if I might have more amnesia than I originally thought and might possibly not be an OSDD system

ryn | 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) forgetting i had a conversation. when i see i had the conversation, i notice that it looks somewhat …

Even better my parents will be saying "remember that one time" when whatever they're talking about happened and m like...."um I don't recall that ever happening" could also be the memory gaps in childhood

Interesting

We don't very often too

But there's more recent times when friends are like "remember when you were rude to that teacher"

M still confused about that

Don't remember being rude to that teacher unless I just didn't realize but I can't remember much interactions with that teacher even though he was my homeroom last year

Multiple friends have said that like hours apart. Those 2 friends aren't in the same class one is in the same as me the other is in the other class btw

[peak sierra]

Also all systems are different. Maybe look into Partial DID as well.

[timber gull]

I know this wasn't targeted at me but briefly looked it up and it seems like my symptoms line up more with this than OSDD not sure though and will keep doing research

!! Chronic Mayhem !! ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Also all systems are different. Maybe look into Partial DID as well.

[peak sierra]

Ye! It's not really known about much.

[timber gull]

True. Heard of it but have not actually done research and all

Have a whole server will all the other types added that I know of

Udd
Osdd
Did
Pdid
Cdid

Like that

Correct me.if m wrong I think I.don't remember all and there was.others

there was also ddd

[peak sierra]

No, that all looks correct

Yeah theres Depersonalization Derealization Disorder.

[timber gull]

I have that ‼️

[peak sierra]

I wonder whyyyy. looks at the fact you're a system /silly-lh

[Musters best The Click impression]
Ormegord. It's brillianant!

[timber gull]

I said ddd that's what it means DDD

!! Chronic Mayhem !! ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Yeah theres Depersonalization Derealization Disorder.

Any yea

S hard ti find info on these

Imma head off again just randomly woke up its 1:10 am

[coral flint]

We have a friend who barely remembers anything unless that specific alter is co con

Ooh maybe avoid pluralpedia if possible

I can try and find some articles if you want

[weak basin]

GG @ionic forge, you just advanced to level 4!

[coral flint]

There’s a lot of stuff on “endogenic systems” and terms which is a system caused without trauma which isn’t a thing

Oop

It didn’t allow the link

Here ig

I’m gonna read through the rest and see what else is in there cause I think that’s all on PDID

Tiny bit more

To be fair, DID is specifically a thing to block out trauma

Do you like fully remember your childhood (sorry if it’s too personal this is really just for you to think about)

Well, I wish you luck with figuring things out, and you can still explore the possibility of being plural without being aware of any trauma, just keep that in mind

[peak sierra]

Different symptoms 🙂 But they are considered the same.

There's not much known anymore as it may have been changed to be part of OSDD. But PDID systems have hosts that cannot leave front and experience passive influence a lot.

It's called head trauma but I mean if someone was ||ramming your head against a wall|| yeah

No but concussions and head injuries do affect your abilities and disorders too. It can cause frequent migraines alongside DID and OSDD which can do it too.

Not really, it can be mixed. Head damage of any sort can affect you the rest of your life.

[civic iron]

P-DID is the diagnosis under the ICD (outside of the usa) and OSDD-1 is the diagnosis under the DSM-5 (inside the usa) /info
Pretty much the same thing, just diagnosed in different places
It's also being debated semi-recently within the medical community if OSDD-1 should be a diagnosis seperate of DID because within therapy for DID you break down amnesia barriers, making it more like OSDD-1, proving the disorder is more a of a spectrum than seperate disorders
Just thought that was an interesting thing to mention (:

[tight flax]

Interesting

[timber gull]

Wait but I have been aware of "switches" before I think. Like when an alter that is no longer here moved forward when I was in distress and in front which gave the body distress and he moved forward and then everything was calm. And then there's times when my whole accent changes cause who I assume to be our Gatekeeper is close he has a British accent but my accent just kinda swallows up his but you can still hear it when he's close and when I "switched" with him the accent was more there and my whole personality changed to a more indifferent kind of personality as opposed to me who....I don't even know. Changes way too much to keep track of myself could be different people without noticing but yea. Is that still considered p-did "switches aren't often" I just remember those that I was aware of and one more with the old alter

[tight flax]

Ph

[timber gull]

Huh?

[civic iron]

What is this in response to? /gq

[peak sierra]

Well I'm not sure exactly, I just know that PDID systems their host cannot leave front

[hollow orchid]

I think so. I am unsure.

[civic iron]

Just know if you live in the US you cannot be diagnosed with P-DID, and if you live outside of the US you cannot be diagnosed with OSDD-1

They use different diagnostic manuals with different disorders, both do have DID though

[hollow orchid]

Thank you!

Im an American, unfortunately

[civic iron]

You can absolutely relate to P-DID criteria, but you most likely will be diagnosed with OSDD-1 but maybe diagnosed with DID or UDD if you live in the US (:

[hollow orchid]

But it will be okay. I think US uses DSM-5 and others use ICD (or something like that). America is really weird with our systems (standard vs 24 hour, metric, etc.)

[hollow orchid]

That makes a lot of sense, thank you!

[civic iron]

As a fellow USA based system all I can say is our diagnosis things suck when it comes to systemhood

[civic iron]

Because of what I said at the end of this message

[hollow orchid]

Yay 'Merica 🦅/j

[civic iron]

Also generally just finding specialists.. like.. where are they

[hollow orchid]

Exactlyy!!

Also system struggle here, but can there be such thing as covert systems? I brought up my concerns of systemhood to my sister, who asked her therapist and her therapist stated that you need clear signs of personality changes ;-;

Like my personality does change, but like its not really overtly.

Also please ping if you respond

[tight flax]

That is so weird

[tight flax]

Same, that is so annoying

[hollow orchid]

Yea- My sister thinks I have schizophrenia instead ;-;

[tight flax]

Noooo

[hollow orchid]

I dont think I have schizophrenia-

[tight flax]

Valid

[timber gull]

Your message before

[The Notes] F; Ask ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) What is this in response to? /gq

I can

!! Chronic Mayhem !! ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Well I'm not sure exactly, I just know that PDID systems their host cannot leave front

Just really hard to and pretty rare but not the most rare thing

I think there can be. Like osdd-1b and osdd-1a are not official and we're made by the community basically or someone made them to help more with identifying system hood and all. In osdd-1a it's more like you from different ages and of course personalities can be very different but osdd-1a is known as the less distinct alter system

The Duck Lord ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Also system struggle here, but can there be such thing as covert systems? I brought up my concerns o…

[hollow orchid]

Thank you, but Liv's alters are very distinct, which is why I am speculative of P-DID. /lh /info -O

[midnight drift]

Strange my friend is a medically recognised OSDD 1-b system. Though maybe because it's recognition and not diagnosis it works differently not sure

[timber gull]

Doesn’t offend us at least so I say go for it

UnNamed ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Would it be ok if I were to mess around with and use PK here? I’ve only really used TupperBox for th…

That’s fine!

UnNamed ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Would it be ok if I were to mess around with and use PK here? I’ve only really used TupperBox for th…

also pk it technically not only for systems so it’s definitely ok (:

^^

[civic iron]

DID/OSDD-1/P-DID is supposed to be a covert disorder, if it was overt it'd destroy the whole purpose of it protecting you

[civic iron]

Yeah OSDD-1b is not on the ICD, they have a residual "Other specified dissociative disorder" category, but not how we do with OSDD-1, OSDD-2 etc etc, it's just all OSDD and then there's P-DID
Also within the USA as far as I know (between research and what our therapist has told us) OSDD-1a and OSDD-1b are not actually the terms you are diagnosed with, your therapist or specialist may say it to specify your symptoms, but they are subcategories of the same disorder, OSDD-1 so you will be diagnosed with OSDD-1
(The source I'm using here is osdd.one with https at the beginning)

[tight flax]

Why is it so confusing 😭

[timber gull]

I am confusion

[hollow orchid]

Thank you!

I'll be sure to let Liv know

[timber gull]

Are there any types that have amnesia and distinct alters but can get memories from alters immediately without asking and asking for whatever else is needed and get it???

[hollow orchid]

Unsure. Most likely not, due to the barriers that amnesia brings. Amnesia + distinct alters =DID, but in DID every system is different, so I don't know.

For us, its not really immediately but if we need the memories we can just ask them for help, no prob

[tight flax]

For me generally it depends on whos asking

Quite a few memories are all acess

But for sometimes the memories are blocked for some people and no one reallu knows why

But if a new person arrives they often know the names of our freinds and stuff but might not recognise them

[hollow orchid]

Same for us

[tight flax]

Our co hosts can access basically everything except like buried memories that have been blocked by our brain cause trauma

Idk why im talking about myself in 3rd perosn

Kinda?

Its mostlu just i know these people are named a b and c but i dont know who and i dont know if they ac allu are these peoe but they probablu are

Yea

[timber gull]

i get what your saying (imma just use proxy, its easier then multiple people can ealsoey type too)

[timber gull]

There is amnesia and distinction but not amnesia all the time

The Duck Lord ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Unsure. Most likely not, due to the barriers that amnesia brings. Amnesia + distinct alters =DID, bu…

[tight flax]

Sammeeee

[timber gull]

This too

The Duck Lord ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) For us, its not really immediately but if we need the memories we can just ask them for help, no pro…

Oooo twinssss

rats will eat you ||rat bags sys ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Sammeeee

[midnight drift]

For some systems yes but this is most common in OSDD or well integrated DID systems. Systems who are newly discovered/have not yet had medical intervention may have a very hard time sharing memories

[coral flint]

Had a switchier day than usual and it mainly consisted of our main host going oh I’m here now every now and then

[urban sage]

Hey, what do you do if someone stabs a little and there are not supposed to be there, and you currently just have them lock in someone else's roon

[ebon shell]

Hope and pray 😌

[timber gull]

We do struggle to share memories mostly trauma and then everyday stuff is way easier. Also actually found a tissue in my bed that I don't remember putting there I've thrown all of them away sooooo more amnesia I guess

Alex [semi returning] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) For some systems yes but this is most common in OSDD or well integrated DID systems. Systems who are…

[heady hornet]

really relatable this ^

[timber gull]

hi. we think we have a system named figured out. as a by the way.

[patent ether]

ooo what’s the name? /nf

[timber gull]

legitimately forgets

luca (pls @) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) ooo what’s the name? /nf

the popcorn council. because of jokes.

Oooo

[patent ether]

:000 funky!! /pos

[timber gull]

i keep saying that i have to convene with the council whenever i have to go ask the system something, so that was a yes. and popcorn because my nickname is fizz and fizz goes pop. also bubbles in the emojis. and corn because corn. and popcorn is something we like.

[ember vessel]

\ i changed the server name.

[timber gull]

heheheh.

it looks weird.

imma change it back for now, and we’ll see. uhm. i dunno.

[timber gull]

I can just tell that someone new is forming and all I can do is just hope they’re not super traumatised 😭

[tight flax]

That sucks

[rocky zealot]

you can provide support of any kind, that you feel about the new one. offer good solutions for anything and constant support if needed. you will be okay, you can manage this <3

[ebon shell]

FR same thing's happening to me

[timber gull]

Definitely front stuck :/

Welcome to the club

Enjoy your stay

Or at least try to

[tight flax]

Welp

[timber gull]

does anybody have tips for grounding? as far as i can tell there’s nobody close to the front really, and i’ve just come back, and i’m really disoriented and dissociated. and i just wondered if anybody had anything for grounding that isn’t gonna make my brain think it’s having a panic attack. (e.g. stuff i’d use for a panic attack. so i’m more looking for objects or something, i don’t know-)

actually, talking to people works good.

any suggestions are still welcome.

[midnight drift]

Moving your body and focussing on physical sensations

Touching your body in a non triggering ways

Try rubbing your arms or shoulders for example

If you have a pet they're great for grounding

[timber gull]

I do not recommend this if you think you may hurt yourself, but "agressive" but non overstimulating feelings help
Like gently digging nails into your skin in different places, using a DULL needle or a pencil and tapping different places, rub ice on your arms or just simply hold it and let it melt in your palms, that typically helps me a lot

[hollow orchid]

When you get another fictive ;-;

[tight flax]

Nooioooioi

[hollow orchid]

And it turns into a mini 2 person subsystem

[tight flax]

Nooooo

[hollow orchid]

Recently theres been a lot of stress and we hyperfixated on Jekyll and Hyde so now we have two fictives from there 😭😭

[tight flax]

Oh

[hollow orchid]

Yea, it'll be ok though

[tight flax]

Yea

[timber gull]

😭

⊹ Charlie !! He/Any Neos ‹3 ⊹₊˚ 💌 ᵎᵎ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Enjoy your stay

Still here

Been over 10 days

[coral flint]

That happened to us a bit agoo
It’s a three person one now though

[heady hornet]

might be a little late to this, but for me, repeatedly rubbing over a texture with my finger tips (like the ribbels of a crewneck sweater)works, or (if this doesn’t trigger you) slightly push my thumb nail in my finger tips (not hard!!) so you can just feel it, then i try to focus on things like patterns, i count lots of things (tiles on the floor, people in the room, decoration, ect). Hope this helped xx

[hollow orchid]

Ohh I see

[timber gull]

Hey they changed the "bot" tag to "app"

[timber gull]

I know. I don’t know if we like it or not.

We’ll be called ‘apps’ instead of ‘bots’
I’d rather be called a bot than an app ngl

[timber gull]

We personally get very upset when called bots for personal past experiences, so I think it'd be better if someone called us apps.

Mmm fair enough.
We’ve never actually been called either so don’t really know

[peak sierra]

We'd rather be called soulless miscreants than bots. though App sounds like shortened version of a Warrior cat apprentice. so...

[hollow orchid]

Same 😭😭

[tight flax]

Hhhhh

[hollow orchid]

I just realized that I have like no friends who are systems (both irl and online)

[tight flax]

Incan be your friend

[hollow orchid]

I would gladly accept your friendship, thank you!

[tight flax]

Yay

[weak basin]

GG @tight flax, you just advanced to level 13!

[tight flax]

Yay

[hollow orchid]

:))

[tight flax]

Hehe

[ebon shell]

We'll be your online friends too!

[timber gull]

Someone I need advice

Is this valid or nah

Someone is saying that

systems form from trauma. that’s the entire point of systems.

I know

So valid or not? /genq

Idk

Haven't had experience with anyone that doesn't just identify ad Traumagenic n I want to be respectful

.

adam | he/xe | 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) systems form from trauma. that’s the entire point of systems.

i don’t know, i’m not educated enough to answer.

Mkay

If anyone else answers pls ping

I let them in the sever but no endos or their supporters allowed sooo

I don’t know either. Not educated enough - still learning things about our own case

If the systems formation was caused by something other than some form of trauma it is not a system

can alters form not because of trauma?

/genq

No

I know that much

After the system has already been made, new alters can form due to high stress or just high emotions (depending on the split tolerance), but the system itself is formed from trauma only

but like, if you are already a system, due to trauma. and then more alters form, do they have to be because of trauma.

yeah. i thought that.

⊹ Charlie !! He/Any Neos ‹3 ⊹₊˚ 💌 ᵎᵎ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) After the system has already been made, new alters can form due to high stress or just high emotions…

But because it mentioned "if a system knows that it's Traumagenic"

I was wondering

the origin has to be from trauma though.

Traumagenic + underlying bon trauma cause would just be a traumagenic system that's overthinking it

that definition kinda sounds like denial or something. i don’t know why, i probably shouldn’t be online.

Mara | They/she 🎶 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Is this valid or nah 📎

/nav

Hmm maybe

I let them in

I'll just watch them

They seem like an ok person

like, they recognise that trauma happened but they can’t accept that the trauma is what caused the system to form.

i guess.

very much a guess.

Yea we'll See! Ty

All of you

you’re welcome.

[hollow orchid]

Yay!! Thank you!!

[peak sierra]

Endogenic systems are not valid.

Trauma is the only thing that can form systems

However most times you can be a system and not know if you have trauma but have lots of amnesia around your past. Then theres OSDD 1a/1b (one or the other, I forget which) that has little to no amnesia, which honestly kinda baffles me but it does exist.

[midnight drift]

*less amnesia/better integrated communication between alters. There can be traumatic amnesia but the day-to-day information tends to be shared

[peak sierra]

Those are also good points I forgot about

Unlike us where some of us get day to day info. The others just get generally having no idea whats going on but vibing.

[midnight drift]

Haha yeah

I have a friend who's a 1-b system and it varies depending on who it is

Frequent fronters have very little amnesia but miss the details of things, semi frequent gets the important information, and the rest of the system can have a pretty hazy understanding if anything of outside events

They still have memory holders and those are ofc the exception

For example all the frequent fronters know who I am because I've known them for 7 ish years

But others that don't front so often will know me as one of the host's friends or will have heard the occasional story about me but don't actually know who I am

Bit of a mixed bag every time

[peak sierra]

That last bit is a lot like us. I still don't know who I am and it's been a few days. I seem to know the basics of who others are, just not really fully.

I feel very uncomfortable using "we/us" instead of "I/Me" but I feel I should.

[timber gull]

At this point m just about ready to go back to heavily questioning and denial

[peak sierra]

Honestly, I get that, denial is so easy to fall into but hey you recognize its denial so thats a step forward, may be uncomfortable cause you are used to it not being cared about or recognized.

Denial and imposter syndrome are so very very very fun /sarc

[timber gull]

I feel like I have no symptoms at this point. Like there's nothing

[peak sierra]

Maybe its just a lapse of communication ability? Or you need to hide being a system if you are in an unsafe environment?

Either can happen, the first happens to lots of systems

[timber gull]

Maybe....wouldn't say it's exactly safe for them to be here. I left a journal out. I'll see if anything happens though I highly doubt because they've never shown interest

!! Chronic Mayhem !! ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Maybe its just a lapse of communication ability? Or you need to hide being a system if you are in an…

[peak sierra]

Same thing with us, but we've used discord and rapid switching to communicate.

[peak sierra]

Why is it that the thought of me having a name makes me really uncomfortable and repulsed by it.

[peak sierra]

I'm Anomaly. Hello. an only name that fits description alone.

[timber gull]

hii. anomaly is a cool name. /gen

!! Chronic Mayhem !! ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I'm Anomaly. Hello. an only name that fits description alone.

[peak sierra]

Thank you, wasn't allowed to have other name so picked this.

Feel like siri but being spun around and around. Like computer loading screen, just circle thingy, YouTube loads.

[timber gull]

i feel not blurred with anybody else but i don’t feel like any of the other alters but i know what’s going on and i think i know who people are. i don’t think i’m new? i’m just confused, i don’t really know why i’m saying all this.

[tight flax]

Sandy: 👋👋👋

Sandy: ❓

[timber gull]

Oop-

why isnt it working

she has a proxy

Do pk;m Sandy

yea imma go sort that out

Alright

i forgot her proxy was a smily face cause she cant speak, i was writing her name for her and she was doing ehatever she wanted tho 😭

👋👋

Oop

Hi Sandy

Maybe add her name as a proxy?

Nai-She/They ||ratbags ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i forgot her proxy was a smily face cause she cant speak, i was writing her name for her and she was…

For future reference

wait how do yoh do twp proxys, is that a thing?

Yeah
pk;m Sandy proxy add Sandy text

(For your case)

Or whatever

I think you have a colon after the name

[tight flax]

Ai: thanks

Oop

[timber gull]

thatnks

Are you AI now? /j

i mean at work my abbrivated job name is ai

Ohhh

Cool

its shirt for assistant instructor lol

That’s cool

i fixed it hehe

DEFinitly didnt need help

shhhhhh

Haha

[timber gull]

it’s so frustrating when people get mad at us for not remembering things..

^^^

This fr fr

[timber gull]

how am i supposed to tell people that i believe in a god because she’s literally in my head. “oh how did you pick that deity?” i didn’t. she picked Us bro

👋

i was talking to someone showing off my alter and she asked if it was for anyone specifically. yes but. what am i supposed to say “yeah she said to set it up but didn’t tell me how because she didn’t want to be overbearing when that’s literally her job as primary protector”

hi!

sandy-she/her ||ratbags ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) 👋

yet another example of the confusion osdd 1 and DID can bring

iris | 🛰 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) how am i supposed to tell people that i believe in a god because she’s literally in my head. “oh ho…

its so frustrating!!! so many people are like “aphrodite came to me in a dream” “artemis got me out of a bad relationship” isis popped fully formed into my head and caused problems for like 2 months before we put in ground rules

[timber gull]

Still questioning if I have DID because I feel like there's more amnesia now because I find stuff I don't remember at all but I don't know how to tell

Heard that the system changes and develops more as you grow so lots realize they have more amnesia or stuff like that but idk about us

[peak sierra]

Yes. That’s true.

[peak sierra]

How do you tell if someone has merged with another?

Cause sometimes we get like mental ‘visions’ of other alters and experience a feeling of a shift in the brain but it feels different than a full merge.

[timber gull]

We can tell because we feel as though there are multiple or us in front without there actually being multiple of us.

We also feel a lack of them separately.

[peak sierra]

Hmm ok. We think Karkat and Logi fused but can’t tell fully..

It feels off but yeah.

Also one of our alters has been (cw; weird sounding word) ||absorbing|| other alters and creating them into subsystems. We’ve occasionally caught them in the act. So maybe it’s just that but idk. I don’t feel either alters presence.

[timber gull]

Ok

I would try and figure out which alter is doing that.
If it’s harming yous them doing that, say it.
But if it’s helping, also say that

[peak sierra]

We aren’t sure if it’s harming. It’s just chaotic and makes the body feel really weird n spacey.

[timber gull]

Mmm

Fair enough

[peak sierra]

The more I front the more I feel myself ‘develop’ too which is hard. I feel incredibly head hurty and stressed

I’m able to maintain my composure with fights with our mother though, instead of avoiding it and being silent. So I guess that’s good.

[timber gull]

Yeah

[timber gull]

S almost lies I immediately know because they appear in my thoughts then I just know its the end for them and I look in the inner world to try and save them but it's usually too late and they just float away and then there's a new person. For one alter I watched him turn into a ball of energy and got absorbed by another alter and that's how I met the alter for the first time and him being there opened up another part of the inner world which I realized a few days ago even though this happened like a month ago because it usually takes me a bit to process changes in the inner world

!! Chronic Mayhem !! ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) How do you tell if someone has merged with another?

[peak sierra]

Hmm ok… That’s cool. I know it’s hard to watch it happen especially if you’re attached to a particular headmate

[timber gull]

I was and I think it actually made it easier so I knew he was still there but merged with someone elee

He was the first person I discovered

We actually might seek a professional diagnosis

We feel that's the best option for us

But might change later

[muted dew]

One of my girlfriends just turned out to be a system

How do I convince my other 2 girlfriends that her alter isn’t going to eat her and take over her life-

[muted dew]

Okie I think I managed to calm everyone down

Posted a good brief resource so they can learn something from somewhere more credible than a stressed out singlet with a hyperfixation (me)

[timber gull]

That's a good start

3VE ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Posted a good brief resource so they can learn something from somewhere more credible than a stresse…

[civic iron]

Guys have you seen "Petals of a rose" It's really good

I can't send a link but it's really good and they have a version where they edit out the triggering scene

Search "petals of a rose movie" if you want to watch it

[peak sierra]

Why do I feel like a computer error and feel my brain not present. Emotional capacity at -20.

(Tw Derealization)
Just no braining, only questioning reality. ||What is real. I don’t feel real. I feel fake and rubbery like plastic.||

[finite jackal]

🫂

[peak sierra]

Need help. Cope with depersonalization

Feels. Wrong.

Brain hurts to stop depersonalization

Hate. Disorder. And human hands.

[finite jackal]

We're all here for you 🫂

[peak sierra]

Have urge to find baby vespers (my species) and take care of them.

And make Den for them

[peak sierra]

💝

[finite jackal]

:)

[finite jackal]

Oooh! Baby vespers sound interesting :0

[peak sierra]

Bat+Dragon+mlp pony species.

Vespers

Am Fictional species.

[finite jackal]

Oh cool! :D That's so fascinating!

[timber gull]

sorry to ping you, and this is really off topic, but you’ve got the neurotypical role and.. not neurotypical roles- by the way. /info

StarriiBunnii ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Oh cool! :D That's so fascinating!

[finite jackal]

Oh! Omg thank you so much for letting me know! I will change that rn :0 /vgen

I must've misread it and clicked on that by mistake ><

[peak sierra]

If curious, can educate on

[timber gull]

it’s a common thing people do, don’t worry about it. /gen

StarriiBunnii ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I must've misread it and clicked on that by mistake ><

[finite jackal]

Oh yes please! :D

[finite jackal]

Hehe I appreciate it :)

[peak sierra]

Okie dokie. Think one infodumped on others or another server, think it was a past server.

What’s you like to know about the specie?

This is me (hope it’ll send)

[finite jackal]

I see :) cool cool! I would like to know as much as possible if you can and if you want of course :D /nf

Ooooh!

[peak sierra]

I have grabbers like a bat, and bats wings. I am a corrupted version of my species.

The yellow fluffy looking patches are scales

[finite jackal]

Cool! 🤩

[peak sierra]

We live in forrests away from ponykind in clans. I’m unsure my clan as I haven’t delved into past. But Vespers are Omnivoric, some among us are Vampiric (there is a specific clan for them)

[finite jackal]

Very interesting

[peak sierra]

Vesper babies are called kits and they come from eggs.

[finite jackal]

Oooh

[peak sierra]

We are compromised of different rarity traits.
Common-Uncommon-Rare-Legendary-Mythic-Corrupt.
We can be compromised of mixed traits of each rarity.
We are a fanmade species.
Vespers are a mostly homosexual pairing species with straight couples being sort of rare.

Those who are infertile and/or do not have a spouse calling (A Pull as it’s called) are called Aura’s and they are almost always are trained as a healer of the clan and are very respected.

Vespers mostly feed on fruits, but can eat things that humans can.

I can also just grab you the link for my species too. Idk I just like talking about it.

If anyone’s curious on it, dms are open. There’s probably more I can tell but this channel would turn into an infodump channel

[finite jackal]

That is very cool and fascinating 😁 I love hearing about all this

Nothing wrong with infodumping :)

[peak sierra]

Yeah!

[finite jackal]

😁

[peak sierra]

Darn

[finite jackal]

Hm?

Oh no, did I do something wrong?

[peak sierra]

Nono

Just did something accidentally. Look in pics n vids if you are more curious on the species.

[finite jackal]

Oh okie :)

[weak basin]

GG @finite jackal, you just advanced to level 7!

[peak sierra]

Yea. Tryd to send link and didn’t work. Grr

[finite jackal]

Oh dear, I see

Hopefully it'll work at some point

[peak sierra]

Nah, just perms to send links are only available in certain channels. Troll blocking.

[finite jackal]

Oh I see, valid :)

[peak sierra]

How do you start journaling instead of telling others about it? It feels uncomfortable not to say things we feel/think to others who are ‘close’

[finite jackal]

Hmmm, maybe try putting everything in a colouful journal or something that catches your eye :) I have this journal for all of us to communicate in and on the front, it looks like a hoodie and that prompted us to start journaling

Something like that could help :)

Also, start off small ^^ it can be awkward to start journaling, so maybe even if you put in a few words or sentences, that's a first step

[ebon shell]

It's so risky playing one of your alter's favourite songs while you don't want them to front
Like please I just wanna enjoy this song that you also like, please don't front rn

[timber gull]

i’m now scared to listen to one of my favourite songs because last night i simply pressed play and immediately we switched. like. i wanna listen to it, aaa.

Li (they/them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) It's so risky playing one of your alter's favourite songs while you don't want them to front
Like p…

Real.
We don’t want Alastor to front generally, but if we play Stayed Gone or Hell’s Greatest Dad, he’s here. Immediately

[finite jackal]

We have one song that triggers one of our littles and I just wanna enjoy the song as well without her fronting

[ebon shell]

Someone played baby shark at school and one of my partner's littles fronted :/

"I like baby shark!"

Yes we know you do but this is not the time

Wait they're on this server I almost forgot

@urban sage

[peak sierra]

It’s hard for sure.

I’m unsure if I should work on my apparent responses that may be arising due to a traumaversary coming soon. I feel sinking in my gut but brain and heart say yes.

[urban sage]

That's me! Yeah someone at school was just playing baby shark on a speaker, and my one little went
"YESSSSS LET ME FRONT PLEASEEEEEESSSSSE" and the person who was fronting was like "not the best time" and my little was like " Well then screw you! I AM GOING TO FRONT ANYWAYS!!!"

[timber gull]

Omg you seem like such a cool person idk why!!!!! /pos

Blooptheduckdestroyer ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) That's me! Yeah someone at school was just playing baby shark on a speaker, and my one little went
"…

Baby shark is a repeating offender though! Almost Regressed and started clapping

[urban sage]

That is such a nice thing to say about me, idk if it is true but thank you

[timber gull]

It's true!!!! /gen

You just give off a good vibe XD

[hollow orchid]

Another split. Big headache

No time to let new one figure out anything ;-;

I dunno how to stop newbie

[timber gull]

how do you know if you’re splitting? or if alters are fusing? /nfta
i could go google if nobody has energy to respond. /gen

i got no energy.

[hollow orchid]

I got no energy, but I just get this feeling, plus it gets super stressful for us and big headaches are a sign for us.

Im sorry if this isnt in depth, right now we're in an emotional state

[timber gull]

it’s completely fine, you don’t gotta answer. it wasn’t meant to be asked after you said that, you saying that just reminded to ask. /gen

The Duck Lord ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Im sorry if this isnt in depth, right now we're in an emotional state

[hollow orchid]

Thank you!!

[finite jackal]

Hi The Duck Lord :)

[muted dew]

You could call it a splitting headache? /j
I’m not the first to make that joke am I… /lh

[timber gull]

It felt like a migraine and light-headedness along with horrible mental health meaning crying, more panicky, couldn't relax, and all around anxiety. Then we just knew when they were gone because it feels like someone erasing a mark the accidentally made with an eraser (not literally) just we couldn't feel them anymore and no one could connect with them

blurry | 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) how do you know if you’re splitting? or if alters are fusing? /nfta
i could go google if nobody has …

[hollow orchid]

Hii hi!!!

[hollow orchid]

Hahahahaha /gen

[coral flint]

We’ve made that joke too 😭

[hollow orchid]

Any tips on to how to get an alter to front with you so that way you can explain the stuffs?

[heady hornet]

This is so real I love their vibe 😭

[peak sierra]

My current name is Savannah but I need something a lil different but with Feminine Cheetah vibes. Anyone got name suggestions?

Oops wrong chat.

It works ig

[patent ether]

shara, gloria, eleanor, stella/estelle, lola, annie, eliza

[peak sierra]

Shara is cool.

[finite jackal]

Hiiii long time no see :') how are you?

[timber gull]

Roxanne

!! Chronic Mayhem !! ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) My current name is Savannah but I need something a lil different but with Feminine Cheetah vibes. An… 📎

Just gives that vibes

[peak sierra]

😂 I love that. Reminds me of the song.

[timber gull]

XD

[hollow orchid]

Im honestly okay!! How are you??

[finite jackal]

That's great to hear!!(: I'm good thanks 😁 I've missed you!! /vgen /p /vvvvvvvvvvvvvvpos

[hollow orchid]

Yay!!! Ive missed you too!!!! /p /v(x1000)pos

[finite jackal]

Eeeeee!

[finite jackal]

May I add you as a friend and may I dm you? :3 /nf /gq /nfta

[hollow orchid]

Ofc!!

[finite jackal]

Yayyy! :DD

Thankiess!

[hollow orchid]

Yee!!! :>

[finite jackal]

[hollow orchid]

[timber gull]

it feels like there’s an undiscovered alter but i can’t reach them for whatever reason. really frustrating honestly.

[mint ocean]

That is really frustrating. It’s happened with us before, so I can understand.

[peak sierra]

A ramcoa sys discord was making fun of us for having a seemingly singular alter that holds most of our milk intolerance.

As far as we’ve been able to tell it’s only 1 alter who holds it.

We fkn hate Sys discord’s istg

And it was all the admins who were. I mean yeah ig it was ran by teens and like 1-2 adults

Like agggghhh

All because they don’t believe that certain alters can struggle with something the rest of the alters don’t

They called us Satire

Are we really wrong for having that happen

Hate feeling like shit just because people don’t believe things can exist.

We have/had an alter who is immobile for unknown reasons, no one else in sys experiences it. They also experience motor tics. But can’t move the body unless someone else is in front with them.

[hollow orchid]

Hey, so I dont know who/ whrre I am and Im wondering if someone could help??

[peak sierra]

I can kinda. Don’t know you personally. But you are a DID/OSDD system, do you know what that is?

[hollow orchid]

No... sorry

[weak basin]

GG @hollow orchid, you just advanced to level 11!

[peak sierra]

It’s called
Dissociative Identity Disorder
There’s also OSDD or Otherwise Specified Dissociative Disorder. (Which is considered a subset of DID) As of where you are I don’t know your living situation, however this is a social media platform you are on.

These disorders are caused by Reoccurring trauma at a young age, trauma that was inescapable, it takes the uncombined parts of what would be a complete child and instead makes multiple different parts/identities in order to survive through the trauma. You yourself are an alter (parts) in a system (as it’s called).

DID has amnesia and distinct alters.

OSDD 1a has amnesia involved. Though less distinct alters.

Whereas OSDD 1b has less amnesia involved but distinct alters. Though may have emotional amnesia and GreyOut amnesia.

As well as Partial DID which isn’t part of the DSM5, but it involves one system with a front-stuck (stuck in control of body for a long period of time or 24/7) host and a lot of fragments of alters instead of full alters but full alters can exist too.

Sorry took a while to type, my brains feeling weird atm

If you need more info on anything let me know

[hollow orchid]

Oh! Thank you!

[timber gull]

finally got the alter to come forward a little more!

blurry | 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) it feels like there’s an undiscovered alter but i can’t reach them for whatever reason. really frust…

Yayay!!!

blurry | 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) finally got the alter to come forward a little more! 📎

[weak basin]

GG @heady hornet, you just advanced to level 10!

[timber gull]

First have/had idk one that recently decided never existed and deleted her simply plural profile. Also there's a alter that I thought was gone but I recently felt like she was back idk if they're real or not o can't tell and I don't wanna make up alters

Copy paste from other server^

[peak sierra]

They are real just probably in denial like you are

[timber gull]

😭

[timber gull]

Does anyone know about polyfragmented did? Now I'm questioning that as another system suggested this they are polyfragmented

[peak sierra]

I’m not sure. We are but we don’t do too much research on it we just kinda figure things out as we go

[timber gull]

Oh cool! Do you use simply plural?

!! Chronic Mayhem !! ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I’m not sure. We are but we don’t do too much research on it we just kinda figure things out as we g…

[peak sierra]

Had to re-get it why?

[heady hornet]

I want more friends on there /nf /lh

[peak sierra]

Maybe eventually. We generally don’t share our SP

We used to at one point. But some people you just can’t trust.

[heady hornet]

That's fine! /gen

[peak sierra]

If I can’t ask this here, let me know.
Can you have religious trauma without knowing it? Because we literally don’t recall anything of the sort but things seem to keep pulling us back to a church we used to go to.

[timber gull]

actually yeah i’m also curious about that because we weren’t raised very religious but a lot of triggers are around religion and several alters seem to be specifically religious-trauma holders but we don’t remember it

Not to sound shitty but isn't the whole point of this disorder literally to not remember?

Idk the tone tag so just take the "not to sound shitty" as genuine

[weak basin]

GG @faint mason, you just advanced to level 7!

[timber gull]

yeah i know it’s just most things we remember like,, bits and pieces (if not the actual trauma then the things leading up to/the fallout from it) but like i can’t think of a single time i was around religion long enough to have the reactions i do to it. if that makes sense

Maybe religion in itself was traumatizing

Even the little bits

[peak sierra]

I agree. Hmm maybe it was. It’d make the most sense.

Religion in a sense was part of our past and we were very devote Christian in a more carefree way but that all kinda changed ig when we woke up to what Christianity really was.

[heady hornet]

I specifically have religious trauma. Don't know if there's something I'm not remembering but I remember all the homophobia which is also a trigger for me. Now imma head for a bit. This conversation was hard to read /lh /nm but that's my 2 cents

[peak sierra]

I’m sorry I brought up the topic…..

I feel really dissociated. Head hurts a bit and am kinda lost in my mind.

Everything just feels wrong.

[ebon shell]

I feel that so hard bro

And it sucks cuz there's no way to describe what's happening

[peak sierra]

Ikr

[heady hornet]

You're ok! /gen
M fine just had to take some time
We've just been all over the place all day too still dk who I am I know Mara is here but it feels different so we're just going with the flow

You're totally fine though!

[peak sierra]

Same here. It all kinda goes dark when I think about it.

I don’t think I’m supposed to know who I am so I am just vibing

[heady hornet]

Same here

We've had unknown fronting all day

In simply plural

[peak sierra]

Yeah

All I know is I think I might’ve split at some point. I have the headache and feeling desensitized as proof ig. Idk though.

[heady hornet]

Awww that sucks! We're here if you need to talk! /gen

[peak sierra]

Idk it’s just stress. Thank you. Hope you guys will be ok too

Just kinda feeling really out of it.

[heady hornet]

I get that! Well good luck imma go try not to cry my eyes out even though I don't know why lol

[peak sierra]

Pent up emotions maybe

[heady hornet]

Maybe

Have an appointment with counselor on Thursday

I'll survive

[heady hornet]

We actually have no introjects to my knowledge

Maybe there was a reason

Or they formed but had no real purpose so they left

Hmm

We have no experience so won't be able to help

Gl though!

Np

[peak sierra]

Yep

[heady hornet]

Scared about talking with psychologist about possibly having DID. (I'm on the waiting list so it'll be long) but when I do see them Idk if it's even worth bringing up. I'm 14 and people usually get diagnosed at 30 it's so unlikely and I could possibly get misdiagnosed. Idk do ya'll think I should try?

[timber gull]

try. and then if keep trying in the future there will be more of a chance they might listen because it’s been going on for so long.

i could be completely wrong by the way.

[heady hornet]

I'm just scared I made all of this up in my head somehow

[timber gull]

same. so. probably not the best person to give advice-

[heady hornet]

That's ok!

[ebon shell]

Oop we're doing some rapid switching now, hooray /sar

[timber gull]

how is everyone doing?

try, you could possibly get diagnosed and if its gone on for so long then they might listen to your explanations about whats happening. You could get support and help and all that stuff.

Mara {🎶Orchestra Sys} ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Scared about talking with psychologist about possibly having DID. (I'm on the waiting list so it'll …

[heady hornet]

I will but I gotta make me a whole presentation on paper to give to them. Cause I will not be explaining the questioning part. Just answering questions

[heady hornet]

Oof

[ebon shell]

Anyone other systems here who don't use pluralkit for the sole reason of never having the motivation to set it up?

Cuz maybe figuring out how to use it some day would be beneficial lol

[midnight drift]

It is super tricky if you're not coding literate BUT there's a whole load of YouTube tutorials if you look for them! They also have a start up page on their website for new users

[timber gull]

if you need help with it, we’re normally ok to. unless we’re not-

Li (they/them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Anyone other systems here who don't use pluralkit for the sole reason of never having the motivation…

[ebon shell]

Thanks so much guys, we really appreciate it :))
We'll keep in mind there's ppl that can help us with it if we want to someday

[timber gull]

fair enough

Mara {🎶Orchestra Sys} ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I will but I gotta make me a whole presentation on paper to give to them. Cause I will not be explai…

yes! i literally struggled so hard setting it up today

Alex [Bug] - @ping me! ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) It is super tricky if you're not coding literate BUT there's a whole load of YouTube tutorials if yo…

it is really hard to set up, but once you set it up you will never want to go back. Trust me PluralKit is amazing

Li (they/them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Anyone other systems here who don't use pluralkit for the sole reason of never having the motivation…

[heady hornet]

Do you have simply plural?

[midnight drift]

Woah there bud slow down. Not everyone wants to use pk and you set it up less than an hour ago

[timber gull]

i wasnt telling them to use it. /g

Alex [Bug] - @ping me! ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Woah there bud slow down. Not everyone wants to use pk and you set it up less than an hour ago

[ebon shell]

Yes I do

[heady hornet]

You can transport the system to pluralkit

[ebon shell]

Oh that's really cool!

[heady hornet]

Quick tutorial lol

[ebon shell]

Oh that's amazing! Tysm /gen
Definitely will use that once I feel the need to lol

[heady hornet]

Np!

[muted dew]

Ooh that app looks cool, I should show that to my system GF(s)

[heady hornet]

It is

A bit interesting to set up but yea

[muted dew]

Ye

Is there a place to watch a guide or smth? I downloaded to see what I might be recommending to them but it requires me to make an account and I’d feel weird doing that when I’m not even a system

[heady hornet]

I thought there was a singlet option?

[muted dew]

Oh if that’s the case ig I could

[heady hornet]

Lemme see

[muted dew]

Ooh yeah there’s a “friend of system” option

[muted dew]

Tyyyy

[heady hornet]

Yea

[heady hornet]

Np

[muted dew]

Yeahhh this looks helpful! Thanks ^v^

Hope they find it useful

[heady hornet]

Yay!! Good luck!! My dms are open if help is needed /gen

[muted dew]

Mkay thanks again!

[heady hornet]

Yw

[hollow orchid]

Hii

[timber gull]

hello!

Hru!?

The Duck Lord ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Hii

[hollow orchid]

Im ok tbh, hbu??

[heady hornet]

Saw a psychologist. I'm on the waiting list now. They accepted to try and help me

[peak sierra]

That’s awesome!

[heady hornet]

I hinted to our symptoms of a dissociative disorder and I saw her write something down. I think she might have thought it. She even asked if there were other people in the place I described (our iw) because I explained the doors being there. I feel so much better and excited now

The waiting list is 2 months

[peak sierra]

I’m glad!!

Woooo!

[heady hornet]

Ty!!!!

[timber gull]

that’s so good!!

Mara {🎶Orchestra Sys} ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Saw a psychologist. I'm on the waiting list now. They accepted to try and help me

[heady hornet]

Mmhm!

[coral flint]

Found a really cool website with tons of did information and mmm reading time

[timber gull]

Nice

Do send link pls 🙂

[coral flint]

Can we dm it?

[paper crater]

\Sure

[ionic forge]

Could I also get the link? :o

[hollow orchid]

May I also get the link??

[desert atlas]

i think my friend might have did. basically, when xaer overwhelmed or having a panic attack, xae become this person called john and xae can’t remember anything from the time. xae say that xaer real person is sort of in a bubble at the back or xaer head and xae can’t access xem? idk?

[timber gull]

Maybe, you'll have to ask them xem about it, as well as john if possible

Get as much info as you can on it

[desert atlas]

i did… the problem is that he’s usually john at like 1am so i don’t get a chance to talk to him. they said that john tries to act like xem so people don’t notice

[heady hornet]

I've recently noticed that when someone else is in front even for just a second by the next day I forget what was said even if I remember that the original conversation happened. Maybe ask if xae forget immediately or a bit after. Like how the amnesia works I guess

[heady hornet]

Have xae ever said "we" instead if "I" without realising?

[timber gull]

(sorry to type over.)

everything’s weirdly quiet today. i feel like there’s someone new or something but i don’t know. it feels like how it did before i started thinking about being a system. derealisation/depersonalisation warning - ||i keep having moments where everything feels like i don’t know it. like i know it, because it’s my life, but i also don’t? i guess.|| my voice sounds weird.

[heady hornet]

That sounds like maybe there could be someone new and they are near front which is throwing everything off

[timber gull]

i recognise the voice thing i think.

the rest feels weird. and i can’t get any answers so i don’t. know.

[desert atlas]

yes quite a few times

[desert atlas]

they also said that sometimes him and john are kind of there at the same time, and sometimes xae can’t fully which one xae are

[heady hornet]

Is there anything else with the bubble at the back of xaer head?

[desert atlas]

i don’t think so

[weak basin]

GG @desert atlas, you just advanced to level 4!

[desert atlas]

it’s just him and john

[heady hornet]

Hmm the best I can offer you is helping him do research and try to talk to John. Also my dms are open I can always help there more /nf

[desert atlas]

ok thanks

[hollow orchid]

Im starting to question my validity as a system. Like I'm not intentionally faking, but like I can't hear anyone but switches still happen. It seems like the only way how we communicate is by talking outloud. I don't know if I'm valid enough especially because I can't have the resources towards a diagnosis. Idk... /nav

[heady hornet]

You valwid!!!! You nice n you system!! You nu faking

Nu evwyone can gets prof diagnose

[hollow orchid]

Thats true, but like I cant hear anyone ;-;

[heady hornet]

M couldn't heaw anyone

Bu I heaw now

[weak basin]

GG @heady hornet, you just advanced to level 11!

[heady hornet]

S wike talk n head bu weply

N jus know s nu you

[hollow orchid]

Ohh, I see! Thank you!

[heady hornet]

Mmhm

[mint ocean]

Communication can vary a lot from system to system. Just because you guys aren’t like other systems doesn’t make you any less valid.

[hollow orchid]

Thank you so much. I'm starting to realize that.

[timber gull]

Anyone else get moments of like
Very little to no communication, little to no switching or very unnoticeable switches, little sense of identity, etc.?

Because we've been like that for a month so far and I feel like I'm just a singlet being "quirky"

[heady hornet]

Yes

[heady hornet]

Happened for like 2 weeks

Anyone else have amnesia after as little as 20 minutes?

[rocky zealot]

yeah, could happen! amnesia spans can be huge or tiny, or variess in many ways, and it’s valid <3

[timber gull]

We’ve had amnesia for literally 1 song before. So yeah. It can be as little as 1 minute to a long time

Mara {🎶Orchestra Sys} ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Anyone else have amnesia after as little as 20 minutes?

[heady hornet]

We do too for songs. ill Miss the whole song and try to sing it only.to realise it ended

[coral flint]

Omg yes I’ll just be like oh wait that song played already? I wanted to hear that one

[timber gull]

Yeah and then the same alter steals it from you over and over and over again

[coral flint]

Lmao yeah

Or I get sidetracked and someone else takes over without realising

[ebon shell]

Not to sound crazy but the voices are very distracting
Like guys just let me do my math don't shove somebody else to front please :')

[timber gull]

Got woken up at 5am to "Bitch up" 💀

Like cmon we had an alarm for 30 minutes later you couldn't have waited

[fading path]

LMAO

[fading path]

Think I might be new, not sure on much about myself though :/

I'm a bit all over the place haha

[timber gull]

Figured it out

Hopefully

[timber gull]

attention pk users that. don’t already know of this. (this is uk time by the way.)

[timber gull]

Oh man thank you

Going back to the good ol days of sign offs for a minute I guess

[fading path]

rip 😭

[timber gull]

i know right? reaaaally fun. /s

⊹ TCC ⊹ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) rip 😭

welcomes!

➼Orion/Nebula ↱He/Him↲ «🕸» ⋆📚⋆ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Oh man thank you

i’m thinking we’ll just change the server nickname to whoever’s fronting. or something.

[coral flint]

For us it’s happening at like 6pm so it’s not as bad
By that point we usually can’t be bothered to use pk lmao

[timber gull]

to be honest- we’re probably gonna be asleep-

Raven sys (||BIRDS) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) For us it’s happening at like 6pm so it’s not as bad
By that point we usually can’t be bothered to …

[coral flint]

lol fair

[timber gull]

9am is a useless time. Oml.
(Have checked timezones and am in same timezone as you)

ryn | ask prns | 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) attention pk users that. don’t already know of this. (this is uk time by the way.) 📎

But ig any time is useless for anyone in the world

[hallow night]

We uhm, we need a bit of help and advice, for context, we used the term "we" around our friends alot bc our friends knew we were a system and uh, we used it around the body's mom and she got really confused and questioned it since she was a psychiatric nurse for years, she recently figured us out and thinks we're faking.. no idea if anyone relates but we kinda need help and don't know what to do... We also don't know if we should trust her due to this.

[heady hornet]

When the age someone can develop DID/OSDD again?

Like actually develop it

[timber gull]

7-10 I believe.
Not sure. Generally people just say before 12 or whatever

the trauma has to happen before the age of 6 generally

[midnight drift]

Anyone with an inherent ability to dissociate to a high level who experiences repeated trauma before the age of 6-9 can develop a dissociated identity

[timber gull]

if you want her to know you could go at the table and discuss it genuinely, and saying all symptoms and struggles you’re having to “prove it” but also let her understand how are you rn / how can she help.
if you dont want her to know, or ignoring it, just doing anything as always but try to correct something that she could suspect, as possible. i think? to us masking is a great thing, using always singletsona/our host as a refereing model.
hope these help, idk how to suggest tbh /g

Solar¡System ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) We uhm, we need a bit of help and advice, for context, we used the term "we" around our friends alot…

[hallow night]

Thank you! It really does help!

[weak basin]

GG @hallow night, you just advanced to level 2!

[timber gull]

lord help me.

we haven’t been this.. whatever this is.. in like. a week. or something. it’s been practically silent.

I feel this

my head hurts so much. 😭 /lh /nav

[timber gull]

make sure y'all take it easy ❤️

[weak basin]

GG @lament shoal, you just advanced to level 7!

[timber gull]

this is like being switchy? but its totally relatable. we’re like that especially at night, but yk, things calm down after a while /g

[timber gull]

Heyy uh does anyone else find that when they front they have allergies but nobody else in the system does? Cause I do and it kinda sucks

like I’ve seen articles say it’s possible but ughh it’s annoying

[timber gull]

Not noticed it but that could explain why our allergy to cats fluctuates - often don’t need medication but also the meds often don’t even help when they’re bad…

[heady hornet]

The body has no Allergies and we haven't experienced another alter who has Allergies

[timber gull]

to us it’s having allergies and intollerances, but they “fluctuates” between different alters. /info /g

[civic iron]

^^^ us too

[timber gull]

yeah i noticed that too?? everything said it wasn’t possible so i thought i was imagining it

[peak sierra]

What do you do when you can’t figure out who is host?

[heady hornet]

You cry /j

AITA for telling someone to look into OCD because they are questioning DID and explained the voices as telling her what to do and she feels pressured and scared and like she has to do it? I didn't invalidate her and gave her all the DID resources I have but told her to try and rule stuff out

[weak basin]

GG @paper crater, you just advanced to level 16!

[timber gull]

That is completely reasonable!

[timber gull]

we’re updating all the picrews because a bunch of them are kinda old and don’t feel very. relatable? i guess. so we’re going through one by one trying to make new picrews. and i’m gonna have to change all the pk avatars- and everything looks different- but- if we feel better then it’s good.

[midnight drift]

Change can feel weird but it's not always negative!

[fading path]

realise that it's ok to not have a host

[peak sierra]

Good point.

[timber gull]

How can you easily tell if you don't have a host?
We seem to have someone who takes over for a few days, weeks, even a month, and then they vanish and are replaced by someone else

well. the host is who fronts the most often, right? so i assume. it’s just whoever fronts the most. and if nobody is fronting “the most” then nobody is the host. or maybe two alters front an equal amount or something, so co-hosts. i have no idea, i’m making stuff up that sounds right- in my brain-

That's fine!
I guess that'd make sense

May seems to be the month of "WHO THE HELL ARE WE"...

I mean, we have exams, so can't exactly be bothered to try and figure stuff out...

[timber gull]

i mentioned dissociation to my therapisttttt!!!! /pos
her reaction was ok. (/neu) but like. i dunno. feels weird, the first time i’ve actually spoken about it out loud to someone who understands what i’m saying.

Yay!
I think the therapist is gonna react ‘ok’ with it probably because it’s not necessarily a good thing always when a patient is experiencing it, but she’ll obviously try to help you as much as she can

she tried linking the dissociation my perfectionism. and i really wanted to say no, that wasn’t the point. but i’m 90% sure i was barely fronting during that entire session. like i was speaking, but i wasn’t. the one moving the mouth. i don’t know-

Remus 🐱🎶 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Yay!
I think the therapist is gonna react ‘ok’ with it probably because it’s not necessarily a good …

[timber gull]

Yeah

Fair enough

[heady hornet]

I was referred to as she and my psychologist asked who "she" is

[timber gull]

Oop-
Was someone else fronting during that conversation by any chance?

[heady hornet]

Idk. I know I was there. I was talking but someone else could have been there because I was anxious. Told her about Echo then immediately started crying lol

[hollow orchid]

Hey y'all, have you ever been blurry, and then all you know is like your pronouns but nothing else? /gq /nfta

[sturdy cape]

oh man this is one of the things i've wondered about! usually we can sort of estimate who is blended together because of their vibe. their energy ig? it is weird because people outside our system that we meet, we don't really get a vibe based on their gender because yknow. gender/pronouns all of that is made up anyway. but in a psychological sense it just kind of is for us...

i hope i'm making sense

[hollow orchid]

Ohh I gotchu! Thank you!! -Jace

[sturdy cape]

not that we really know who is fronting but its just like... the vibe™️

[timber gull]

the other day i got a vibe that like. just someone. feels like they have ginger hair.

don’t know who.

[sturdy cape]

within ur system?

[timber gull]

just. a vibe.

yaa.

rook ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) within ur system?

[sturdy cape]

yeah that is kinda like what we feel

maybe it is just something to do with sharing a brain and being so psychologically close to one another but im not an expert so don't take my word as fact

am just trying to make sense of the weird brain things

[timber gull]

i try to keep track of who’s in front but today was not. a good day. so it was so hard to tell. because i can only tell some apart by vibe because the vibe is so strong. but others are kinda blendy.

[sturdy cape]

ohhh im sorry to hear that

we've been kinda rolodexing the past few days... but today was the first day where the amnesia hasntbeen bad B)

[timber gull]

i can’t remember today very well.

i remember the bad stuff but not the good stuff. i assume. thanks brain. /lh /nav

[sturdy cape]

tbh i think weve just been sleeping a lot today so we aren't really aware of whos been out when concious

our asthma was triggered bc of the wildfires nearby

[timber gull]

that’s fair.

i’ve uhm. been awake for so long-

i should sleep.

[sturdy cape]

barely got any sleep last night 😭

[timber gull]

but pretty nailsss.

[sturdy cape]

try and sleep soon 🥺

[timber gull]

i don’t think i did either. i just. woke up. at 8am. and didn’t go back to sleep. and i’m like. woah-

Saffron System (ask 4 fronter) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) barely got any sleep last night 😭

[sturdy cape]

oh nooo

i woke up at 7 am because i had to get to urgent care as soon as the clinic opened

(we are ok. it was just asthma and needing a new inhaler asap)

[timber gull]

i’m gonna need to wake up at 7am tomorrow. which is now today- because it’s half 12 in the morning-

[sturdy cape]

ouch..

[timber gull]

yee.

Saffron System (ask 4 fronter) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) (we are ok. it was just asthma and needing a new inhaler asap)

oh. i lost my duolingo-

oops.

[sturdy cape]

i suppose we are lucky that we don't have any obligations

"lucky"

[timber gull]

i blame questions for the loss of my duolingo streak.

[sturdy cape]

pros to being disabled and unable to work/go to school: infinite free time
cons to being disabled and unable to work/go to school: most of ur free time is taken up by the disabilities

😭

[timber gull]

i have exams. like. next week. so. i vibe-

in. like.

not revising.

because things. /neg /nav

[sturdy cape]

i see i see

[timber gull]

but like. i’m going to school tomorrow-

bright an early-

omg. why. ok.

i should sleep.

yes.

i feel kinda tired.

[sturdy cape]

may you have the sweetest of dreams ❤️

[timber gull]

me and another alter are really blending together and never quite fronting apart and it’s kinda terrifying me cause I don’t want to fuse and I know it might not be that but I’m just scared

[sturdy cape]

that is still a very scary situation to be in!

your fear is valid, understood, and i empathize with u.

[timber gull]

hah.

1 uncensored thing and this is happening. /nav

[fading path]

holy-

[ebon shell]

no thank you 😌

[civic iron]

LinkedIn lets you call dissociative disorders skills 😭

[hollow orchid]

Oop-

That is one of my strongest skills haha /cj

[civic iron]

We got multiple people with half the productivity!!

[hollow orchid]

Validd and samee

[sturdy cape]

LinkedIn is progressive who knew who knew /s

[fading path]

omg the bot told me too many caps but didnt delete my msg

🙏 thank the bot lords

[timber gull]

What message?

Hold on- just realised we joined in March LAST YEAR tf-

System amnesia go brrr

[civic iron]

I think it's a visual glitch cuz it def deleted your message 😭

[civic iron]

Help?! Us in August of last year?? What happened

[timber gull]

Time is going way too fast, we'll be grandparents before we realise it haha

[civic iron]

Discord wtf

[fading path]

WHAA

😞 man

[civic iron]

And ikr? Except the grandparents part because we're not having kids haha

[timber gull]

Try restarting discord, then it'll vanish

⊹ TCC ⊹ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) WHAA

[fading path]

damnn

ghost message fr

[civic iron]

Yup that's not there

[fading path]

sad times fr

[civic iron]

Ghost ping too haha

[fading path]

i take back my thanks to the bot lords 😞

[civic iron]

Pfft 😭

[timber gull]

Fair enough, we want 2 kids, preferably biologically, but idk if we want our kids to have to put up with hypermobility, tics, etc. Ik there's not a 100% chance of them getting either/both, but still, we might end up adopting

[The Notes] F; Ask ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) And ikr? Except the grandparents part because we're not having kids haha

[civic iron]

we work with children and I think that's enough, we love the kids we work with right now but doing that then coming home and babysitting our baby sister is proving that we would not be capable of doing that in the future

as our host put it "kids are the most amazing wonders the world has to offer but i don't want a snot goblin in my house"

[timber gull]

Yeah, we don't know much about looking after kids yet, but we volunteer once a week at a club to help out with the youngens, and we enjoy that a lot. We'll see how we cope with work experience in a primary school as well.

[civic iron]

we love our littles we work with, we've always had an interest in working with children even though we didn't realize it

[timber gull]

Yeah

[civic iron]

theyre infant-preschool age right now (6 weeks-5 1/2 years) so we've got quite a bit of range

we've watched so many move up from the younger rooms to one room older and we tear up every time we're like oh my gosh you're growing

[timber gull]

awww

[fading path]

picking a name is so hard folks 🙏 🔥

[timber gull]

Real

(I came with a name)

[timber gull]

How do I handle someone who's trying to influence me to cause trouble (can't tell if it's within our wider sys or if I have a sub-sys, but it is still annoying)

[heady hornet]

any tips on how to find who i am

[timber gull]

Are you grounded?

[heady hornet]

uhh maybe?

define grounded

[timber gull]

maybe...

Not dissociated or panicking

[heady hornet]

then yh

[timber gull]

ok

Do you have a list of known alters?

[heady hornet]

yes

[timber gull]

And do you relate to any of them?

[heady hornet]

no

[timber gull]

ok

Do you think you're new then?

[heady hornet]

yeah

[timber gull]

Alright

[heady hornet]

and theres more than 1 person here

also new

[timber gull]

Ok

so two of you at once

that's gonna be slightly more complicated, do you feel separate from each other?

[heady hornet]

i think so yeah

[timber gull]

ok

Do you wanna figure out a name for either/both of you?

[heady hornet]

yeah

[weak basin]

GG @heady hornet, you just advanced to level 2!

[heady hornet]

we know our roles

[timber gull]

that's a good start

[heady hornet]

im spiritual and the ither is addiction holder

[timber gull]

Ok

So, let's start with you

do you have an idea of what aesthetic you want your name to be?

[heady hornet]

of spiritual origin, mainly pagan and celtic pagan

[timber gull]

Ok

Female/male/either?

[paper crater]

\
@heady hornet

[heady hornet]

sorryy

[heady hornet]

either preferable neutral or fem

[timber gull]

it's fine, i know you f=vanish randomly

any specific letter? or just soem random?

[heady hornet]

any

[timber gull]

Aine
Aisling
Clodagh
Saoirse
Caoimhe
Eimear
Laoise
Róisín
Aoibheann
Aoife
Deirdre
Fiadh
Maeve
Orla
Aila
Alannah
Brianna
Bridget
Cara
Doireann
Fiona
Niamh
Aoibhe
Cadhla

Neutral
Aiden
Branna
Caoilfhionn
Dara
Dylan
Finn
Logan
Oran
Peyton

[hollow orchid]

Cutely steals some names

[timber gull]

Haha

[heady hornet]

i like maeve

[timber gull]

nice

wann figure out the other person's name?

[heady hornet]

yes

i have no clue what their name is

[timber gull]

ok!

are they able to talk?

yeah

wow using pk for once😦

oop-

Ok

do ya know what gender/aesthetic you're looking for?

nope

okie

want me to just throw some random names at you for now?

yeah

Stan
Wendy
Oscar
Cesar
Erna
Johnson
Maritza
Dorthy
Justin
Manual
Jeri
Annmarie
Julian
Billy
Enid

let me know if you like any but it's not there/you need more

[paper crater]

\ @heady hornet sorry for the ping again, but they're here when you are ready

[timber gull]

ive chosen oneee

tysm for the helpp

Alrighty!

[timber gull]

I was hoping me would find name but noo

Cray searching for you name no help me

[maiden robin]

i think we are actually osdd 1a but it also doesnt entirely make sense and now im just confused

[weak basin]

GG @maiden robin, you just advanced to level 2!

[midnight drift]

Have you looked into P-DID? it's under the ICD-11 which you can access online for free

[sturdy cape]

Ngl I've always been really confused about the differences between the OSDD sub-types but that's likely because whenever we try to look it up and read about it, the information disappears from our collective memory sooo fast

The introduction of P-DID just scrambled it even more for us like what is the difference between P-DID or DID with a shell alter? What is the difference between P-DID and OSDD???

I suppose it could just be up to the clinician and their patient, depending on what label they are more comfortable with (assuming you are in Europe where P-DID is a thing)

[peak sierra]

Our brain does it too but we keep rereading things and rewriting information so it sticks more

PDID is more over how the system functions. Generally 1 ANP host who is frontstuck all the time, with other parts being EP’s

[sturdy cape]

The way i understood it is that a shell alter is a type of ANP alter but I am not super informed on that topic so i am pretty sure im wrong and welcome being wrong

But that does make sense

[peak sierra]

ANP’s are usually those disconnected from trauma. They often are Hosts but can hold other positions/roles/jobs.

[sturdy cape]

Like a shell alter is incapable of leaving the front and will always be co-fronting with another alter but the non-shell alter can blend with the shell. Kind of like a eva pilot in an eva unit

Yes that is true

Oh I know that yeah

A shell alter doesn't usually have trauma because they exist to sort of mask the effects of an active system

[peak sierra]

Yeah

That’s often how we feel with our covert switching.

[sturdy cape]

But you can also be an ANP and an EP at the same time, I've heard

[peak sierra]

Yeah you can have traits of both I think

[sturdy cape]

We need a new term for those that are like that fr

😭

Because ANP's can have trauma memories but from what we've experienced, don't usually have the effects of the trauma like many stuck in trauma EP alters have

Tbh this stuff is confusing as is and I think if a certain way of looking at it helps your system and your ability to like, function,and ur not hurting other people... I don't see any harm in it

[peak sierra]

Yeah!

[sturdy cape]

The world is already bad enough we don't need to create more negativity on top of that

U know?

[peak sierra]

Yep

[sturdy cape]

Sorry im kind of passionate about this topic rn because I got into a small heated argument with someone earlier who was saying xyz that was factually incorrect and claiming many people agreed on it when in reality not a lot do

And when me and some other people tried to tell them they were being super invalidating, they pulled the "I have a psychology and sociology degree. Maybe when YOU get your degrees, you'll understand."

[peak sierra]

Ah lots of Sys Discord’s etc are that way

[sturdy cape]

It was facebook :(

[peak sierra]

Ikr!

[peak sierra]

Facebook? Huh

[sturdy cape]

I don't engage in sys discord's because I am sooooo tired of the Dramaz

Yeah it was in a DID/OSDD support group

[peak sierra]

I’m sorry you are experiencing hate just cause your sys and other systems experience things differently

[sturdy cape]

Cuz someone was asking if emotional abuse and neglect can be a primary reason for a system to form and they were like "NO!!! your body has to be in PHYSICAL PERIL!!!!! in order for a system to form!!!!"

[peak sierra]

I… wtf

[sturdy cape]

I was like... who are you to say that emotional trauma can't be so severe that your body may literally think it's dying?

[peak sierra]

Exactly!

[sturdy cape]

Was also not taking into the account of children with ASD or other conditions that effect the way they see the world

[peak sierra]

Yep!

[sturdy cape]

It was super messed up

[peak sierra]

Ikr

[sturdy cape]

Tbh i was just like... if you are a clinician who thinks they know more than the patient, the person literally experiencing this stuff, and tell them to just listen to you

I hope you have a very bad ending to your career <3

Anyway sorry for the rant I just hate gatekeepey behavior and arrogant practitioners

[peak sierra]

Yeah, that’s not ok for a clinician to do

Trust me I get it.

Lots are like that

[sturdy cape]

It was also like, super presumptious to assume that we haven't gotten an education or degree already

[peak sierra]

I’m glad we recently found a doctor who is actually knowledgeable and willing to help.

[sturdy cape]

I may have not studied psychology or sociology but I do have some education

[sturdy cape]

That is SO good for u guys i am so happy literally

im NOT being sarcastic either i am genuinely glad that you found someone like that

[peak sierra]

Ikr!! It was awesome!!

Thank you!

It’s been a wild ride for sure

[sturdy cape]

Of course

It can be world changing when someone literally just listens to you and wants to help you get to the bottom of things

[peak sierra]

Exactly!

[sturdy cape]

Oh another thing about the heated argument was that the person called me a socialist lefty because I said I don't think it's a bad idea if everyone gets equal levels of care and support, even if a few people abuse the system

If caring about my fellow humans makes me that

Then I guess i am?

[peak sierra]

People call us a Communist Leftist.

[sturdy cape]

I don't have a specific word for my political beliefs nor do I talk about it much all i know is that like. I don't want people to die simply for being born with disadvantages

i want people to thrive and be happy and live their best lives.

Thats literally it

[peak sierra]

We are very equal ground on social standings etc except for wages being the same unless it actually works for the economy.

[sturdy cape]

Literally so true!!!

[peak sierra]

Right?? Like you think it would be common beliefs 🙄😞

[sturdy cape]

What happened to the belief that all men are created equal, are given unalienable rights from the moment they come to exist in the universe, among those rights are the right ot life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness???

Idk eat the rich or whatever, go crazy go stupid

[peak sierra]

It never existed in the first place with places with egotistical hierarchy’s

[sturdy cape]

Live your best life girlies and boys and theybies

(I couldn't think of a funny term for boys)

[peak sierra]

Theybies 🤣😌

Boi’s

[sturdy cape]

When i address my friends in our group chat, I go "Hey bitches, bros, and nonbinary hoes"

[peak sierra]

Beardo’s and Weirdo’s

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a very iconic line from a english dub of an anime

OMG ok

[peak sierra]

😂😂

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beardo's and weirdo's

Can i steal that

[peak sierra]

It’s a youtubers opening Phrase
His user is OneTopicAtATime

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Omg thats awesome

[peak sierra]

You’d like him, he goes through LGBTQ subreddits.

[sturdy cape]

ladies, gentlemen, and those who lieth betwixt

Esteemed members of the jury..

[peak sierra]

Very wholesome and probably Bi

[sturdy cape]

Ayo? I'll check him out

I don't watch many youtubers, usually just stick to the same 2 or 3 that I'm obsessed with at the current moment

[peak sierra]

The Click “Good Evening, Laddies, Laddles and Lasso’s.”

[sturdy cape]

😂

[peak sierra]

We have a few obsessions of youtubers

[sturdy cape]

We like this guy who's channel is called Night Mind

he opens all his videos with "Welcome back to Night Mind, friends"

[peak sierra]

Lmao

[sturdy cape]

omg wait

Ladies, gentlemen, theydies and gentlethems

Or if you are cool and hip with the times

JUST say "hey chat"

[peak sierra]

Ikr

[sturdy cape]

Haha 😂

[timber gull]

can someone explain like all the subtypes of osdd and did cause we have no clue😭

[timber gull]

OSDD-1a is amnesia but less distinct parts
OSDD-1b is less amnesia but more distinct parts

Not sure about the other OSDD stuff

[midnight drift]

P-DID is a non US diagnosis, OSDD is American. They partially overlap so some symptoms are shared

[sturdy cape]

Yeah that part i knew but what confuses me is that they sound like two different disorders but of the same nature, so couldn't an American technically have P-DID? it's just that they can't get officiallg diagnosed as that because the diagnosis doesn't exist in our diagnostic manual yet.

Genuinely curious about this thought

[timber gull]

They are two separate diagnoses, however if you got diagnosed in America, you would get diagnosed with OSDD and elsewhere with P-DID I believe

[sturdy cape]

Yes thats what I meant

But people will prefer one term over the other in the end it's all about their personal experiences and preferences

Or maybe i'm just looking at it from a really weird standpoint

[timber gull]

I feel like most people are gonna use OSDD if you are online

[sturdy cape]

I feel that way too yeah but i'm just thinking, would it be okay for an American to adopt the P-DID term?

If they wanted to, i mean

[midnight drift]

Yeah this is correct. Sometimes there's a bit of bending the rules if necessary but generally this is how it's done

[midnight drift]

I think that's true but it also excludes a lot of people with a an experience that doesn't fit OSDD

[timber gull]

I’d say that if you’ve done the research and that’s what you align with best, I don’t see why not

Saffron System (ask 4 fronter) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I feel that way too yeah but i'm just thinking, would it be okay for an American to adopt the P-DID …

[sturdy cape]

Mostly because I know for some people they prefer different terms than the oens that are most widely used

Similar to how some autistic folks prefer "person with autism" rather than "autistic person"

(dont come for me I am autistic myself so i use them interchangeably)

[midnight drift]

I mean remember OSDD1-a/b isn't a thing anymore either, it's purely community (they no longer diagnose subtype)

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[midnight drift]

You're allowed to use the words that help you feel more validated so long as that aren't offending anyone

[sturdy cape]

That is my opinion too

[coral flint]

Yeah they’re just examples of how osdd1 can present in comparison to DID if I remember correctly

[sturdy cape]

Also sometimes sub-type diagnoses make getting benefits and accomodations a little more difficult

[midnight drift]

a/b was the old ruling system but they no longer follow that. It's not that it was inaccurate but it's just not done anymore

[coral flint]

Ohh ok

[midnight drift]

Again sometimes the rules are bent a little.. but generally that's how it's done

[sturdy cape]

The sub-types can obviously exist but like

[coral flint]

Cause I mean we used to say osdd1b butt our amnesia has gotten worse or we’re noticing it more

[sturdy cape]

paperwork.. logistical setbacks...

[midnight drift]

If it helps you at all OSDD-1/DID/PDID are all the same disorder with different presentations of symptoms. They're all extremely similar and follow the exact same biology - it's just how the individual experiences their disorder

[sturdy cape]

Yeah that totally makes sense

[coral flint]

Yeahh