Custom AOA for Rose

[red oxide]

My biggest concern is actually becoming file size

[inland agate]

Yeah

[inland agate]

I think we have around 600MB to work with

[red oxide]

Textures take up a lot of space

[inland agate]

But for now let’s just get the regular finishers done then we can see how many alts to do

[red oxide]

Mhm

[inland agate]

True

[inland agate]

I don’t wanna scope creep too much but I also wanna include the options for the people who’ll use them so maybe we meet in the middle and just do the popular ones

Idk we can decide later

Here’s the poll

[hollow frost]

so i took a read back, and as far as I understand we will try to find the animation first, then the finisher portrait

so while that goes on, I'll probably do the glass shard and do the portraits I still have to do from the other versions

[inland agate]

Iirc (and if we’re doing both versions) for the first one we’re gonna lock in the pose then we’ll need a picture of her
And for the second custom one if you’re able to do that, you’d make the pose and the anim would be made after

[hollow frost]

alr then

i don't mind trying both out

i'll see if I can work on something too then

[inland agate]

The first one would just be the picture (and maybe the AOA text), the rest would be P5X assets
The second would be the whole thing

That way we have a fallback in case things don’t work out for whatever reason, and if they do then we have 2 that the player can pick from

[red oxide]

It is probably best if we have the art first because the animation I think is more so to support the art

[inland agate]

For both of them?

[red oxide]

Both of what

[inland agate]

Both finisher arts

Are we sticking to just the one

[red oxide]

I can do either, I can get to finalizing once I have a pretty good draft of one of the finishers

[inland agate]

Gotcha, do you want the first portrait to be based off your pose

It looked pretty good

[red oxide]

Sure I can do that

[inland agate]

Only thing I’m slightly worried about is the 3d model is generally harder to get right versus the art, so there’s a chance that the art would either have to slightly not match up with the model at the end or the face may look a little jank

But it should be really close since you already gave him an idea so hopefully that’s a non issue

[ruby sparrow]

To quote my favorite quote

Perfection is great but not to the point of detriment

Little jank is part of modding ofc nothing wrong with it imo

[red oxide]

Jank is best when most people can't tell it's jank

[ruby sparrow]

True I guess if it like unnoticed jank

[worthy kelp]

tbh even in vanilla they don't line up 100% perfectly

it should be aight

[inland agate]

True to an extent

Depends on what kind of jank, some is perfectly fine and some will drive me up the wall

[inland agate]

Like here, I guess it’s not a big deal if they don’t line up perfectly but stuff like the creepy doll face would bug me to no end

[worthy kelp]

Yeah that's valid

[inland agate]

Speaking of which how big was joker starlights AOA
So that we can an idea for how much space we have

[inland agate]

A lot of the backgrounds would be reused for the other hair styles but I assume they’d still need to be their own files so they take up the same amount of space as the main one

[hollow frost]

tried to see what's going on with the finisher art, and I have no clue on what's going on here

[wind mango]

The finisher art is split between several 3d files for the different layers of the image

[hollow frost]

yeah i noticed that, but holy

[red oxide]

It's also that I can't change a piece of the aoa, I have to make entirely new files for each little variation

[red oxide]

You can just assemble the image in whatever software you want, don't worry about the 3D stuff I can handle it

[hollow frost]

ill still try to not overdo it, bc at least in blender, it's all a mess

[red oxide]

Not once you've done it a few times

I just delete what they have and make my own bones

[hollow frost]

smart

[red oxide]

Honestly the step up in quality from the first time I did it and starlight joker is a lot, I should redo my first one

[inland agate]

Was kinda worried about that

Wanted to have a config if L7 used the “a thorn for her elegance” text so you could use either text on either background but we may have to scrap that

[inland agate]

You made another one?

[hollow frost]

I just used that as placeholder text

thought it sounded cool

[red oxide]

Yeah but... Its not good

[hollow frost]

we all start somewhere

[inland agate]

It does, lowkey has potential

[red oxide]

Low res Garfield might be my favorite part

[hollow frost]

this is peak perfection

[inland agate]

oh no 😭

[hollow frost]

oh yeah, i forgot to mention again. The glass shard and the wanted poster are both the same file but one is black and white

i don't know if I asked what you wanted for the design

like, posing and whatnot

[inland agate]

Hang on I’ll have to find the pic but there was one of her biting a card that I really liked

[red oxide]

I remember the tycoon card from p5x being mentioned

[hollow frost]

you had this sent to me, and if i was to use a similar posing, i think I could change the card into a rose

if we really go into the rose thing

[red oxide]

Or a calling card if that's too much rose

[inland agate]

That would be perfect

[hollow frost]

well she is rose in more ways than one

so i guess it's very rosy

[red oxide]

True

[hollow frost]

but yeah

[inland agate]

ayo

[hollow frost]

there's a lot of rose

[hollow frost]

it was not my intention to make it sound weird

but yeah

i read it out loud and I realized my mistake

and i apologize

[red oxide]

Does rosy have another meaning I am not aware of

[hollow frost]

rose-ish tint

i guess

[red oxide]

Like rosy cheeks

[hollow frost]

kinda yeah

anyways

ill try to sketch something for her wanted poster

and ill try to make it modular enough to make it easy to change from version to version

[inland agate]

Yeah

hmm how do I say it without saying it

[hollow frost]

we can leave it at that

it was a genuine mistake of mine

[inland agate]

Yeah fair enough

[hollow frost]

i spoke without thinking and there's no need to think too mcuh about it

going back to the wanted poster, i think ill do something similar to what akechi has too

where he extends his hand towards the screen

i can have the rose on one hand and have her other have an open palm towards us

[inland agate]

That could be good

[hollow frost]

ill sketch it and send it here in a few

[inland agate]

Make sure she’s got some sass tho, akechi looks dead on the inside in that pic

The pose is fine but the face is…something all right

[worthy kelp]

is that out of character for akechi

[inland agate]

not really

but it does look goofy

[hollow frost]

what do you think

though the closed eye could use some work

hold on

this might be a bit better

it's very messy i know

but on later renders this should look a lot more refined

forgot her mole

[inland agate]

It’s so peak 🥹

Only very minor thing I’d look at is maybe moving her hand/flower up a bit to fill some of that dead space on the left

Hmm but then it wouldn’t really look like she’s smelling it

[hollow frost]

should still be able to though

lemme see what i can do

moving it a bit too much would make it awkward, and i don't really think having some empty space is too bad

most of the others are similar in the way theycover the screen

for example, in the original one the empty space would be below the arm

and the rose would also serve as another part of the art that our eyes immediatly attract towards

[inland agate]

Oh yeah I forgot the shards would prob cut out that space anyway

Alr then it looks really good

[hollow frost]

ill continue working then

if anything else comes up, do let me know

[inland agate]

That also reminds me

Did anyone ever make a different cut in for her regular hair? I know long hair got one but isn’t the ponytail just sumires with the more brown hair/mole

[wind mango]

Gorgeous!

[red oxide]

Looks amazing, one thing I would try is moving her left hand (our right) down a bit

Like barely down

[ruby sparrow]

As in custom cut in ?

Aside long hair.
Not that I know of for default/alt bang

But there is funny enough one for gyaru

[inland agate]

Ok thats what I thought

Since its semi related maybe I could throw L7 some extra dough to make one (and if they’re up to it)

[hollow frost]

ladies and gentlemen i have officially entered flow mode

im quite happy with how this looks

[hollow frost]

i thought about doing this, but it kinda looked a bit wonky since it made her appear less motivated

[hollow frost]

id be down to it

didn't quite catch what this is about but sure

and i just noticed the hand highlights are on the wrong side

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explode-cat-explode-mike-interpol-gif-13503338605162614186

should be better

[inland agate]

It’d be just giving her normal outfit and the alt bangs a custom cut in

[hollow frost]

you mean the crit one or this one?

i'd be down for both

[inland agate]

Mainly the crit one but I guess both would be nice

I could include this shard in the config too

[hollow frost]

alrighty then

ill try my hand at those at another time then

which other is needed?

just so I can already go planning

[red oxide]

Ah good point

This art is amazing though

Fits the games style so well I wouldn't even be surprised if someone saw it and thought it was official

How did you do it so fast

[hollow frost]

after drawing in this style for a year or so I'd hate myself by failing

[hollow frost]

a lot of practice my friend

the style focuses a lot on linework

and it's a style i already enjoy using a lot

so it slowly came together

[red oxide]

I really need to learn how to draw, would love to use those skills for a mod I've been planning

Oh want me to put it in game?

[hollow frost]

if possible

let me converit it, rq

[red oxide]

You may want to upload it to a Google drive since discord compresses to oblivion

[hollow frost]

id be happy to help

[hollow frost]

yeah this is a screenshojt

not the PNG

[red oxide]

Oh also is it the same dimensions as the vanilla ones?

[hollow frost]

1024 by 20143

jesus

1024 by 1024

the dds i took from the game was this size

[red oxide]

Then it's perfect

[hollow frost]

yeah should work

[inland agate]

We’d need a portrait for power’s background, the “every rose has its thorns” graphic also for that background, anything needed for your custom background, the cut in if you’re doing that, and alt versions for all of the above (we can decide later how many alt’s to do)

[red oxide]

One sec my reloaded is trying to kill itself

[red oxide]

I can make a list

[hollow frost]

would help tons

[red oxide]

Or we could set up a trello board

[hollow frost]

can work too

[red oxide]

Trello we can upload pictures with each task, so lets do that

https://trello.com/invite/b/6a14e161ceec3e6a0f9fec9f/ATTI6bd682c8bedd34c59511652caa09092033111290/roseassets

Oh also what is the filepath for the shard?

Nvm

Looks great

Depending on which shard she is on the hand is visible

But yeah it looks perfect next to the other shards

[hollow frost]

bless

glad it worked

unsure if it's in the same filepath, but does it also work on the status screen?

[red oxide]

I'll start prepping the AoA for a new background

[inland agate]

Just wish the hand was always visible, otherwise it looks perfect

[red oxide]

Oh wait

She will always be in the protagonists shard

So yeah should always be visible

[hollow frost]

i actually forgot about that too

if needed i can adjust her positioning

[red oxide]

Nah should be good

[hollow frost]

here's hoping

[inland agate]

How does it look on the wanted poster

[red oxide]

Is it the same asset?

[inland agate]

Should be

[red oxide]

May be the same asset but it is a different file yay

[inland agate]

Bruh

[red oxide]

Kay I think I found the file

Be on standby would not surprise me if we actually need to paint this red

I have good news and bad news

Good news, we do not need to paint it red

Bad news, we need to change the image size

Hold on I'll rip it and see if I can do it easily

[inland agate]

Make sure it still looks good at high res

[red oxide]

Im thinkin it will be easy because theres a lot of space on the image used for other stuff

While I am here I will switch it to say rose

Her arcana is still the fool I assume

@hollow frost Could you send me the png too, gimp is being stupid

[hollow frost]

sure, just a sec

now that i stop to think about it, im a bit scared her other hand won't fit

so i might need to make a bigger file

also if you need me to remove the BG i can too

[red oxide]

Oh yeah without the background would be better

[red oxide]

Slight issue, could you extend this arm so that it reaches the bottom?

[hollow frost]

ill have to draw that

just a sec

should I extend the right side too>

?

[inland agate]

Yeah

[hollow frost]

mkay

[inland agate]

It is yeah, also they were separate this whole time?

[red oxide]

Yeah definitely just a bit

[inland agate]

Was thinking about asking for a custom wanted screen for a sec but that’s kinda unnecessary

[red oxide]

All the other ones use an extended version of their shard

[inland agate]

That’s why I thought they were the same file until now

Would it be cool to see a custom one? Yeah
Do we need it? No

[red oxide]

This works for now

This was also the file size of starlight joker's aoa

(DJKR is Dance JoKeR for those interested)

[inland agate]

If it’s 22MB then making a version for every single hair/leotard/BG isn’t gonna happen

We won’t have space

[red oxide]

How about we make like a few different background variations and then poll people for their favorite

Our 25 loyal viewers can make the hard decisions for us

OH I just realized I can steal the letters from the others wanted posters to spell out ROSE

[inland agate]

That’s why I was polling to see what hair style everyone uses

Should also do that for leotard color

[red oxide]

How many leotard colors are there?

[inland agate]

3

I think it’s default white and white/red

[red oxide]

Ah okay

How's this look?

[inland agate]

The s is a bit too big

[red oxide]

Was thinking the same thing

[inland agate]

Make the R the size of the S and that’ll be perfect

Maybe very slightly bigger

Like how it is in the joker pic

[inland agate]

The s is still too big

[inland agate]

The bottom is good but the top is still sticking out slightly

[red oxide]

Made slightly smaller

[hollow frost]

this should work

[red oxide]

Excellent

[inland agate]

The o is a bit too close to the r and maybe move the s down a smidge

Did you have to pull it from skull

[red oxide]

Mhmm

[inland agate]

Ah makes sense

[inland agate]

Let me see how jokers looks again

Try and make it look as close to that as possible

Which I think means making the R a tad bigger and make them all line up at the bottom

[inland agate]

Then it should hopefully be good

[hollow frost]

i'd say to maybe push the E a bit closer to the S

[red oxide]

I did

[hollow frost]

oh

i think it's good

[red oxide]

Aight

[hollow frost]

bro acted from beyond my own thoughts

[red oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-gif-5581811196247542206

Fantastic

[ruby sparrow]

God please it be fun

[hollow frost]

can you take a quick look at Violet?

[hollow frost]

should I push her more to the side?

she's very centered

[red oxide]

I can do that

[hollow frost]

to the point other stuff is cutting infront

[red oxide]

Dw

[hollow frost]

oh alright then

at least i think it'll look a bit better

[red oxide]

Way better

[hollow frost]

yeah way better

alright im glad it looks good

ngl im proud of how it looks

puts a smile on my face

[red oxide]

Yeah this blew my expectations out of the water

[red oxide]

I also grayscaled it like in the original

Thought the game may like it better

[hollow frost]

and it looks good

[inland agate]

That looks so good

I wish there were some way to move the “leader” up so it’d look like she’s holding it but idk if that’s possible

[red oxide]

It isn't as far as I know

[hollow frost]

i thought of that too lol

[red oxide]

Probably hardcoded

[hollow frost]

great minds trully think alike

i was about to say that

i guess one option would be to scale her a bit more

and then set her down

but idk, up to you guys really

[red oxide]

Moving her down might make her other hand almost unseeable

[inland agate]

If you wanna try it I won’t stop you but the wanted poster isn’t that important

[red oxide]

True nobody looks at the MC stats page

Thats what the persona tab is for

Oh @hollow frost if you are up to working on the mod some more tonight I can get you a ss of the end screen so you can start on the portrait while I get the background bones set up

[hollow frost]

it's been a few hours since i've been drawing nonstop, so I should probably rest my back for today

[red oxide]

Mmm Yeah definitely

[hollow frost]

but I can start working on it tomorrow morning, so please feel free

[red oxide]

Yeah also this is way too turned around

[ruby sparrow]

It is beautiful

[hollow frost]

oh poo i just noticed i forgot the lips

https://tenor.com/view/miau-hd-adobe-after-effects-glass-breaking-preset-gif-752576862881430143

there we go

i just remembered that this art will show with every level up

hoo boy

[red oxide]

Ill fix it right after I test this animation

[hollow frost]

no problem, take your time

[red oxide]

Been trying to get the rotation down perfectly

[hollow frost]

p5 reference

[red oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/nahdog-gif-17900380376959797190

[hollow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/me-stealing-a-meme-and-repost-it-infront-of-the-owner-gif-15300297538697335454

https://tenor.com/view/nahdog-gif-17900380376959797190

[red oxide]

Rip

[inland agate]

Oh yeah I forgot about that

Good thing it’s good

[red oxide]

I just realized Ive been saving the animation in the wrong place and thats why I havent been noticing the changes I made

My brilliance is unparalleled

[hollow frost]

the fact you figured it out is already a step in the right direction

happy accidents

as a wise man once said

[red oxide]

And then blender crashed

Good thing I saved

[hollow frost]

ok that's not a happy accident

but good thing you saved yeah

[ruby sparrow]

"my geniuses is almost frightening"

[red oxide]

This a good rotation (on the what SHOULD be Y axis)?

Its actually Z but I refuse because everyone knows Y is up and down

And just like her sister she takes up almost the entire screen

Think I will move her closer to the camera though

[inland agate]

Yeah maybe closer to the camera and a bit more tight

Right

[red oxide]

Mhmm

Do we like the roation though?

[inland agate]

Still kinda torn

The face looks a bit better when she’s looking away from the camera but the hand looked a lot better when she was reaching out to the player

The other finishers have them facing the camera so I’d like to do that if possible

[red oxide]

Hold on lemme try something

[inland agate]

Let him cook

[red oxide]

Ehhh nah I don't think this works

Also what the heck happened here

[red oxide]

What are yalls thoughts on this pose though

With mask shot as well

[inland agate]

I def prefer the first pose more but this one isn’t bad

[red oxide]

Made this one because it takes up less screen space but yeah the original was definitely better

Also faces right at the camera

[inland agate]

I do like that, her face looks a tad better but still kinda off

[red oxide]

Maybe if I closed her eyes it would actually look better

[inland agate]

Idk if she’s going into uncanny valley for me but every pose looks just a little weird and I don’t know why

@hollow frost does it look that way for you too or am I going crazy

[red oxide]

Is this actually better or worse?

[inland agate]

The mask def helps fix it but a lot of her outfits don’t have one

[red oxide]

At first I was like "Oh no" but after a second of looking at it I cannot tell

[inland agate]

Eh a bit worse, her expression is kinda weird and her eye clips a bit

[red oxide]

I can fix the eye clipping, does make it look more human I think

[inland agate]

I guess

Would like to revisit her looking smug but the face needs to look right first

[red oxide]

Yeah, this is by far the most difficult thing to look right

You know what why am I not just copying the expression from another animation

[inland agate]

Wait yeah that’s a good idea

How’s it look with her normal AOA

[red oxide]

Sha has the thing in her mouth

Looks like just her default expression otherwise

This is default

[inland agate]

How is it at the end

[red oxide]

Default

[inland agate]

This one

[inland agate]

The eyes look fine there but it does look goofy

[red oxide]

Hmm they must have changed it? idk

[inland agate]

Someone also suggested just a normal smile with no teeth

[inland agate]

That’s the smug option in R&V

[red oxide]

Ah

I could try curving her mouth a bit

Kinda goofy from this angle

Should we close here eyes all the way? I think it would make her look better

Turned her head a bit

Okay... she blinked at an absolutely terrible time but I actually love this placement

With her eye open but gray

[inland agate]

Like doing a wink?

[red oxide]

I like winking

Also seems in character

[inland agate]

True true

I’d be down to try it

[inland agate]

I’d like her to not go off the right side of the screen but then the hand moves too far from the middle

But then if you move the hand then her face gets a little weird

Hmmm

[inland agate]

It only looks like half of her mouth is moved up

The left side looks straight still

[red oxide]

It is, tried to make it like a smirk

With both

I like both

[inland agate]

That’s the best face yet

[red oxide]

Definitely

I think we keep this, at least for now until we can come up with something better

Also her face completely dies when I try to make her wink

These also go out to the right a bit, not as much as she does but I dont think its completely against the rules of the art direction

[inland agate]

True, going out to the right a bit is cool but idk something about her torso cutting right through the bottom right corner looks a bit weird

Maybe it’ll grow on me

[red oxide]

I have no idea whats going on with her left arm there

I should probably look into that

But I love this face

[inland agate]

Wow that actually does look rly good

If only it showed better on the ones with the mask

[red oxide]

Dont think there anything that can really be done about that

Unless I just hide the mask entirely

[inland agate]

Yeah that’s kinda unfortunate

Oh well you can’t win em all

[red oxide]

I think we just overcame the biggest hurdle so thats a huge win

[inland agate]

Agreed

Face went from skinwalker to really good

[red oxide]

Good Lord

What is this mess

Much better

Also can I just say how good this outfit is for Kasumi and how it is a crime it was never in P5Dancing

I will be making its AoA 100% if they make on for P5X

And maybe even if they dont

Anyways this should look way better with a ton more outfits now

[inland agate]

does that mean its not possible

if so its ok, her current face looks good anyway

[red oxide]

Oh wonderful, imagine my delight

[red oxide]

Probably possible I just have no clue how they did it in game if they did

Okay well now I get to go through each frame and fix whatever this is

Nvm was only that way for like 10 frames

[inland agate]

thx for the smile suggestion

that made her face look a lot better

[inland agate]

went back to the minecraft mob

[red oxide]

Different frame nobody will know

[inland agate]

true

during the spin it doesnt rly matter

[red oxide]

I hate GFS tools

[red oxide]

https://trello.com/b/OSE2Y3if/roseassets Can we also pin this?

[inland agate]

I dont have perms to do that

[red oxide]

Darn

[inland agate]

sorry chat

[inland agate]

I think aside from maybe changing arm/torso placement this could be the final pose

[red oxide]

I think I hand off the screenshot to L7M3 and then I finalize it off the art

[inland agate]

Sounds like a plan

[red oxide]

Alright I reloaded the files and redid the fixing the arms and now its exporting correctly

[inland agate]

I saw on the trello board there's only stuff for the first background, are yall down to do the second one

and if so should I wait until the first is done to add the stuff to it

[red oxide]

You can add it but we should definitely get one fully done first, at least a layout for it

[inland agate]

Yeah true, the first one is more important

[red oxide]

@hollow frost Here are some reference shots for the art, you might want to go slightly past the cutoff point

Also the white outline

Where is this icon and how can I fix it

[inland agate]

I thought it was supposed to be fixed by now

that mask should be swapped already

maybe a bug?

[red oxide]

Maybe if I had the mod turned on fully it would be

Hold on I'll check

Which slot is it again? Slot 1?

[inland agate]

yeah

[red oxide]

Yeah it is fixed

[inland agate]

@hollow frost you may also want to make some skeches with the torso/arm in slightly different spots

to see how'd it look if her torso was fully on screen or if her arm was pointing more towards the camera

those are the only two things that may be slightly subject to change

[hollow frost]

alrighty then

ill try my hand on making some adjustments tomorrow when I wake up

[red oxide]

No rush

[inland agate]

forwarding poll

[inland agate]

fowarding poll #2

These will help us decide which colors/hair styles to focus on

@hollow frost small request, the shard looks really good but its a bit blurrier than the other ones at high res

would you be able to fix that

[wind mango]

That looks amazing!

[hollow frost]

unsure if the 1024x1024 would realistically allow for upscaling, but I'll see what i can do

and yeah it does look a bit blurry

once i wake up ill check on nvidia texture tool to see if i can sharpen the quality

can you send me the directory to replace the files?

ill also test the positioning

to try and get more of the hand on frame

[inland agate]

P5REssentials\CPK\BASE.CPK\BATTLE\GUI\BKSK_P_BC0001.dds

havent tried the wanted poster yet was that also uploaded?

[hollow frost]

it should be the same png file. If not I'll create another file with the tight size

[hollow frost]

this and just convert to dds

[inland agate]

is the shard position fixed?

she only shows on the far right for me

after several AOAs

[hollow frost]

yeah the protag is always on the right

then ill make the positioning better once i get to work on it when I wake up

[inland agate]

thatd be awesome

would love to see her right hand

and ill wait on the wanted pic until tomorrow

[open frigate]

Nice cooking

[ruby sparrow]

These is some fast dedication fr

[hollow frost]

so I've been going back and forth to try and make it less blurry, but in all honesty I truly have no idea how they managed that with a 1024x1024

even by making it smaller it doesn't quite feel "right"

it's not bad but idk

i made a few adjustments to the position and to the sprite itself, and now it's looking like this

[empty cave]

That looks cool!

[hollow frost]

should anything about it be changed?

if not the DDS is here

the png looks really uncentered but yeah, it worked

[red oxide]

Looks beautiful

[hollow frost]

forgot to post the fixed extended version too for whenever we need it

[red oxide]

We have a mod icon now

[hollow frost]

who knows, our finishing touch on the AOA might be even better

[red oxide]

True

[hollow frost]

anyways, which other files does this goes to?

it's the wanted poster, the lvl up

cause i want to test their positionings too

though I don't know where they go to

[red oxide]

I can send it to you

[hollow frost]

in the battle/gui there's 2 dds files

the second one 0008 idk where it leads

[red oxide]

Thats for a different phantom theif

0010 is always kasumi

[hollow frost]

oh

[red oxide]

0001 is always protagonist

[hollow frost]

i see

makes sense

thought it was for another edited file for the protagonist

like with the bustups dds

[red oxide]

Shouldnt be

[hollow frost]

ok yeah

[red oxide]

Does anyone have any idea what this is

Because I have no idea

Tried translating the mesh name, it just says object

[hollow frost]

i saw that too and i have no idea

i would make the guess that it's one of the petals

but i really have no clue

[red oxide]

Gonna ignore it and hope its fine

[hollow frost]

does it have no texture?

on the other view mode

if i recall when I saw there was none

[red oxide]

That is the textured mode

[hollow frost]

lol

then yeah, no clue

[ruby sparrow]

As I thought top 3
Is

• original
• alt bang
• gyaru

[hollow frost]

alt bangs is an easy change to me

gyaru's PT changes at all?

[red oxide]

Really? Surprised long hair isn't up there

[ruby sparrow]

Honestly? Yeah surprised it didn't beat short hair

[worthy kelp]

I'm not too shocked
The ones that make her look most distinct from Sumire won out

[ruby sparrow]

Tho I love all model y'all made for kasumi

[ruby sparrow]

If I recall alt bang was basing on Longhair cutin&poster if I recall

[worthy kelp]

No, you can just choose between the white or the black leotard

outfit's otherwise the same

though the corresponding extra fan assets on GB are using the white outfit

[ruby sparrow]

It's ur call boss
There is the wanted&cut in fan made but it's base on original one ofc.

[worthy kelp]

so one for black doesn't exist rn

[ruby sparrow]

Yeah I was about to say
I think the creator also mia rn but they did plan make the black one.

[ruby sparrow]

*MIA

[hollow frost]

i see

[worthy kelp]

They did but since the other ones here are using black then it shouldn't be too bad to have a black option here

[ruby sparrow]

And also try fix the glitchy portrait.

[hollow frost]

which one?

oh yeah i should do a gyaru portrait

now that i stop to think about it

[ruby sparrow]

So the gyaru portrait have some glitchy texture mainly the interrogation one

[red oxide]

Wanna knock out all the wanted posters now or should we get all the art for one variation done?

[hollow frost]

unsure. I'm trying to think on how I'll plan my way through these, and honestly tackling all wanted posters shouldn't be too big of a deal

alt bangs is an easy change

[ruby sparrow]

But like God damn why she look so angry

[hollow frost]

gyaru will be a bit harder but it shouldn't take too long, since the main base is already done

[worthy kelp]

Yeah it'd be nice to have a cheerier option

[ruby sparrow]

Nah I like her looking pissed cuz it's funny lmao but I get ya

[worthy kelp]

I can imagine that image of the two people together like the "why this person so mad" with Sumire next to angry Gyasumi

but I always play her as cheery so a cheery option would be cute

[ruby sparrow]

PLEASEEEE I WOULD LOVE THAT ART/EDIT 😭✌️

[hollow frost]

:)

i might

but i have a lot on my plate

[ruby sparrow]

Oh yeah I get that trust me

But I like the idea she pissed cuz her fake record

[ruby sparrow]

Just finish what u have rn boss don't overload yourself

[worthy kelp]

I imagine her a bit like Kotone from P3
Smile through the pain style and express herself through her fashion

[ruby sparrow]

Honestly that would also track
Being I once ask bester the idea of gyarusumi was she become gyaru after her BS criminal record

That's why the flashback didn't change

[worthy kelp]

Yeah I love that detail tbh

[red oxide]

Dismantling the AoA

Also I think her AoA was going to be very different at one point there are a ton of unused bones

[ruby sparrow]

And that's why she got angry face on 😭

But also the interrogation one is also chef kiss with how she look.

[red oxide]

They have names like "bag" and "shoe" and "cake" so maybe little icons would have been in the squares

Just thought it was interesting

[ruby sparrow]

Wait what that read ?
Beauty is __

[red oxide]

Devotion

[ruby sparrow]

Ahhh I see see

[hollow frost]

that's a V?

holy

[red oxide]

Lol

[ruby sparrow]

My dumbass thought "retribution" but that don't make sense 💀

[worthy kelp]

She saves Beauty is Retribution for when they mess up her Subway order

[ruby sparrow]

When she do the big bang challenge be like

[red oxide]

Okay why is my discord dying

It wont let me send images

[ruby sparrow]

Restart the app I guess ?

[red oxide]

Oh but the screenshot is okay

I see

Anyways, if we are going with the cinderella/sleeping beauty theme I have this castle from p5x

[ruby sparrow]

My face looking at these brainstorming with more curiosity

Isn't that from shoki ? Or was it someone else

[red oxide]

Yeah

Most robbed p5x character

[ruby sparrow]

Italian bro getting robbed 💀

[red oxide]

OH WAIT

NO

NOT SHOKI

Fleurette

[ruby sparrow]

Lmao

[red oxide]

All these characters are named similarly

[ruby sparrow]

OHHH FLEU right right

[red oxide]

Seiji

[ruby sparrow]

OH YEA HE DIDNT EVEN HAVE ANY SYNERGY THE HELL

[worthy kelp]

Yeah Shoki/Luce has a more stage themed one

[red oxide]

Still doesnt even on KR

Its been 2 years

[ruby sparrow]

DIABOLICAL

[red oxide]

He has been here since launch

[ruby sparrow]

So wonder just full schizo 😭
We didn't even meet him once

[red oxide]

This is 5 star Luce's background

Which is amazing

Yeah Luce is like blackwings favorite

[ruby sparrow]

Bwoah. Now that's beautiful

[red oxide]

Hmm

@inland agate this with color corrections could be nice

[worthy kelp]

Fun fact 5* Luce was the first to hit the damage cap actually

[red oxide]

Yeah its insane

He is so good

CloserR is also insane now that shes out

[ruby sparrow]

It's funny how he release combo with shun 5*

[red oxide]

It was a buy one get one free

[ruby sparrow]

My dumbass about to skip sees just to get berry watch 😂

[ruby sparrow]

Ok why this sound would go well

[red oxide]

Berry was the first limited I got A1 and it was by complete accident

[ruby sparrow]

Rn I'm happy have A1 twin and Angie

[worthy kelp]

I'm a whale don't tell anyone

[ruby sparrow]

Flex for not flexing

[red oxide]

Did I cook

[worthy kelp]

Oh hot damn

👀

[ruby sparrow]

Why I think it quote "chained but unbound" 💀

[red oxide]

I really wish EPLs were modular in a way we could have people pick what they wanted super easily without bloating filespace

[inland agate]

Ok chat I’m back from my hibernation

[inland agate]

Is that supposed to be where the text is gonna go

[red oxide]

It can be, I just saw it and saw it had roses

We can also increase the amount of roses

[inland agate]

Ah ok

The plan was for L7 to make the “every rose has its thorns” but that could be really good somewhere else in the background

Also the giant moon that you sent earlier would look really sick if it was behind the windows

[red oxide]

I also just threw this together so we can have something in game

[red oxide]

Thats so true

[red oxide]

This is not meant to be a final product just to give us a baseplate. It has bones that we can reuse

[hollow frost]

gotta run some errands rn, but this is what I have for the alt bangs

i should be able to finish it once i get back

[inland agate]

The position looks a lot better, maybe if it was a smidge more to the left but idk that might be too nitpicky

The res also is kinda a bummer, but not the worst thing in the world

I think it’s only really a problem at 4k anyway

[red oxide]

This could totally be like most of the background if we wanted

[inland agate]

True but would it still look good if scaled up to 4k

[red oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

If anyone here has a 4k monitor they will be able to tell us

[inland agate]

Good thing I do

[red oxide]

Excellent

[inland agate]

What res is it normally at

[red oxide]

Actually REALLY high

So this is where that nearly 64 GB of P5X mobile goes

[inland agate]

Well keep in mind we’d have to zoom in a decent amount and only use a chunk of it so the res will be lower

And a lot of that res is dead space anyway

So almost certainly it’d look blurry

I do love the idea tho

[red oxide]

Oops

Wait why am I not just reusing stuff from the starlight joker mod. I am making this more difficult for myself

[hollow frost]

i can move her though. It's not a problem

[inland agate]

I’d wanna make her right hand a bit more visible while still keeping the fingers/rose on the left in the shot

[hollow frost]

can do

once i get home I'll adjust

[inland agate]

Forwarding poll again

Seems like a decent amount of ppl use the other colors so I don’t wanna leave them out

[inland agate]

Also just a general thing for the future, make sure all the art you make will still look good if scaled up to higher resolutions

[hollow frost]

yeah I'll double the res of the file

then if needed it can be scaled down without looking too bad

[inland agate]

Also does p5 support widescreen or is it locked to 16:9

If it does then that might cause issues

maybe we could support 16:10 bc a lot of handhelds like the steam deck and legion go use it but nothing past that

[red oxide]

Dont think it supports widescreen

[inland agate]

alright cool

[inland agate]

I'll be down to com it if she ever gets a new one

but hopefully its not an outfit specific one

[hollow frost]

done

now ill adjust the positioning on the portraits

so that the hand is more visible

[inland agate]

Holy peak

[hollow frost]

on another note, i really have no idea what's happening to the files that causes it to look as blurry as it looks

idk if it's the pen im using what

but even after doing it upscaled and placing it properly on the file, the result ends up the same

[inland agate]

hmm

the drawing itself looks a little blurry even before putting it in game

what res is your monitor

[hollow frost]

1920x1080

aint 4k unfortunately

i also just noticed that my drawing style has some very loose edges that makes it feel a bit more blended

weirdly enough

i tried saving the .dds 2x the resolution

ill see if that works

[inland agate]

ah that might be why

prob looks fine for you but not at higher res

[hollow frost]

that worked?

uuuuuh

try it on your end

see if it looks decent

oh wait i fked up

i think

it's 4x the original resolution

no wonder my game took an eternity to load

yeah im stoopid

gimme a sec, ill fix this

but ok, as long as it's a multiple of 1024 it should work

[inland agate]

ok ill give it a try when I get back

also 4096 x 4096 is 16x not 4x

[hollow frost]

hopefuly it looks good

on that note, what do you think about the positioning?

[inland agate]

Since the vid is only 1080p and I’m not at home I won’t be able to check for a while

The positioning tho is def a bit better

Ideally it’d be best if both the rose and her right hand were on screen but that might make some other stuff look weird

[hollow frost]

it would lead to some very wonky stretching

[inland agate]

Unless maybe you scale her down just a tiny bit to fit?

[hollow frost]

i could scale her down some more

great minds trully think alike

ill give it a test

i failed the timing to screen ingame

[inland agate]

What’s that little white thing above her

Aside from that tho it looks great

That last finger being off screen is a little annoying but I can live with it

[hollow frost]

her ribbon

i can maybe try to hide it by movking her up and to the right though

but then her hand would be a bit more hidden

[inland agate]

Ah

[hollow frost]

i guess i could also just paint over it

[inland agate]

Since we can’t see the part it’s attached to it looks a little off

[hollow frost]

unless someone outright knows what it is, yeah

[inland agate]

Yea was about to say could you just make it red

[hollow frost]

i agree

feels unfinished

[harsh cipher]

the sumire aoa has kind of a yellow tint to the highlights so maybe using that might help it blend better?

[hollow frost]

i might keep it grey since the rest of the ribbon is grey, and also because that is a part where some light would hit

[hollow frost]

the problem is that this part is in a tricky and dark position

even more so considering kasumi's hair is brown and not a vibrant red

it really catches the attention, so even with the yellow tint, i don't think it would really work

i can try though

[harsh cipher]

yeah I see what you mean

[hollow frost]

morgana cut infront

lemme try again

[inland agate]

The stupid cat strikes again

Looks rly good tho

[hollow frost]

there we go

we feeling good about this one then?

[inland agate]

If there’s nothing that can be done about that last finger then yeah

[hollow frost]

rip thumb

[inland agate]

Just need to make sure it looks good at 4k

[hollow frost]

hopefuly it does

[inland agate]

We shall see

[inland agate]

Had another idea that I talked with power about already but I’ll have to put on hold for now

There’s the mods that give each PT a different color in the background during their cut ins glass shards and finishers

Instead of the red joker uses

I thought it’d be cool if kasumis was a less bold shade of red than jokers, but power doesn’t know how the colors were changed so I don’t want the cut ins and shards to be changed but not the AOAs

[hollow frost]

i genuinely think it's just the background

like legit, the red only appears because I added the red behind on the PNG

i think when I tested it withouit, the space behind was just white

[inland agate]

The cut ins and shards are really easy to change

Those I’ve done before

Problem is during the anim that is much harder

[hollow frost]

true

we can try to figure it out though

[inland agate]

Power took a crack at it but couldn’t figure it out

[hollow frost]

ill try to run a test with the one we already have

ill put a shade of green

[inland agate]

Someone mentioned using the p5 beta

[red oxide]

Yeah, unfortunately I cannot get any files to open with it

[hollow frost]

yup

[red oxide]

It just yells at me

[red oxide]

Oh yeah thats just based on the background color

[hollow frost]

it do be just the bG

good to know at least

[inland agate]

Yeah changing those isn’t too bad

[inland agate]

I could maybe give it a crack later

Does it run on rcps3

[red oxide]

Yeah

[inland agate]

Alr maybe once we’re done if you haven’t figured it out yet I’ll see what’s up

[kind pendant]

have you tried using this?

Power 🌙

[Reply to:](#1506055970718089386 message) Yeah, unfortunately I cannot get any files to open with it

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I made a shareable version of the P5 beta so you can use the dev editors without needing to download the whole dump.

I took note in the TTY log which files are required for it to boot, and removed every other file from the ps3.cpk and data.cpk.

You can also use the mod.cpk to add any additional files you need.

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#Persona 5

[hasty geyser]

I haven't tried it with epl editing before but the process should be the same from how you get models to be viewable.

[red oxide]

Yeah I did, it gave me this when I tried opening a file

[hasty geyser]

did you read the readme? It's under the optional steps.

[red oxide]

Mhmm

[hasty geyser]

You might have to redo the steps a couple times. It's really finicky.

[red oxide]

I'll try again later

[inland agate]

We can worry about that later

[inland agate]

For now I’d say either get all the P5X assets that’d be relevant for the background or polish up the spin since you have a pretty good idea of what it’s gonna look like

[inland agate]

ok im home now let me give it a try

here it is at 4k

looks pretty solid

[hollow frost]

happy to see it

also i think this is the old version

let me send the new one

here

[inland agate]

ok ill try it

also just curious I see a 0001 and a 0008

what's the 0008 change

[red oxide]

0008 should change someone elses portrait?

[inland agate]

Both are for joker

[inland agate]

A lot more votes for the other colors than I thought

Figured it’d be just one or two but half of the ppl were using something other than black

[hollow frost]

just a heads up, tomorrow I'll be busy for quite some time, so my working on the mod might be limited. But I'll still try to progress as much as i can, so to make sure I don't go too off track, should I tackle the gyaru version of the shard or try to play around a bit more with sketching poses for the finisher?

[inland agate]

all good, id say sketch some poses for the finisher

itd prob be best if we got everything for the default outfit locked in before we tackle the other costumes/colors

also as a side thing, I was testing out potential colors for the background of the cut in/shard and came up with this

Its a gradient between sumires pink and jokers red

thoughts? all the other ones use solid colors so idk if this would look off compared to them

[hollow frost]

ooh this looks cool

we can even add some extra little decals on the side, like some hearts or something

though that might be a bit too much

still, it's a pretty good idea

i'd rock with it

[red oxide]

I mean I personally used a gradiant for my Aigis shard so I think its fine

[inland agate]

not against the idea but that might end up being a seperate project

I was making a quick one based off the mod that makes them all into a solid color, but seeing how easy it is to change maybe we could give them all gradients/decals

and maybe changing the bold red that shows in the back during the AOA itself to a more pinkish color if possible

[inland agate]

oh also one more thing, in the future I had an idea for a project that would make animated versions of the cut ins for everyone, would that be something you'd be willing to tackle

if so just keep that in mind when you make rose's cut in so that the other frames wont' be too hard to make

[red oxide]

I actually had the same idea! I was gonna look into the cutins to see how they work and if I can do it easily

Though this was going to be for a seperate mod Ive been working on

[inland agate]

there's already a mod that does it

it ported the P5 tactica cut ins

https://gamebanana.com/mods/480641

[red oxide]

Doesn't that just animate the border?

[inland agate]

No the cutin itself is animated too

[red oxide]

Ah, well

Guess I don't need to look into it then

[inland agate]

You might still need to, it’s not perfect

The frame rate got cut to 15 and everyone that’s not a party member lost theirs entirely

[red oxide]

Makes sense

How many other people have cutins?

[red oxide]

Just for the animation right not the whole game

[inland agate]

Yeah

[inland agate]

Maruki twins lavenza and boss akechi

[ruby sparrow]

I thought black mask use the same for akechi in 3rd sem?

Or I'm tripping

[inland agate]

It’s very similar but no they’re different

[ruby sparrow]

Ahhh aight

[red oxide]

He is angry in 3rd semester

[inland agate]

heres 3rd sem akechi

and this is boss akechi

[ruby sparrow]

Ahhh I see

Never notice
Cuz usually when fighting him I already got my weakness covered

[red oxide]

I really really need p4r to have decent balancing 4s story won't carry the game for me like three nostalgia that did in reload

I just realized to the average person that send completely unrelated

Not seeing the cutin reminded me of p5's easy combat which reminded me of reloads bad balancing which removed me of p4r

I think I need sleep gn y'all

[inland agate]

gn

thats why I love the difficulty mods they make the game a lot more fun on an extra playthrough

[ruby sparrow]

me with heist royal lmao where technical more useable

[red oxide]

I think the problem is that technicals are too usable

Lol

Imagine if they had added technicals to reload💀

[inland agate]

Royal heist is goated but some of the balancing changes were wack

The dlc skills are still way too strong and high energy was left untouched for some reason

[ruby sparrow]

corerction ailment+technical more ficus

[ruby sparrow]

but also royal heist lmao.

[inland agate]

Not sure what those moves are but they sound really broken

[inland agate]

I wonder if characters that normally don’t have cut ins can be given some

[red oxide]

They can be

[ruby sparrow]

surge wrath is ryuji last skill from lvl
same with supreme gun is for akechi

[red oxide]

I've done it

It's just called with a script

[inland agate]

Ah ok

[red oxide]

An easy script (if you have cbt installed)

[inland agate]

If we ever do that cut ins mod we should give some to the major bosses

[worthy kelp]

Ngl most of the time I've looked at them I've seen

• good change
• good change
• horrible/tedious change
• renaming skills
• horrible/tedious change

It feels like it swings hard the other way

[red oxide]

Agreed

[inland agate]

And jose

[red oxide]

I still have never fought Jose

Feel like I should at some point

[inland agate]

Yeah a lot of the changes aren’t great but it does keep things fresh at least

Especially the bosses a lot of them behave completely different

[summer helm]

Worst thing about that mod is Almighty Skills that can crit.

It entirely benefits me, and I still hate it.

[red oxide]

That's actually insane

Why would you do that

[worthy kelp]

Yeah genuinely a lot make good boss changes

I just wish I could pick and choose the other changes as I swear half the time difficulty mods lean into pushing or punishing some strats too hard

[inland agate]

When you almighty yaldy and he resists it 🫠

[worthy kelp]

[red oxide]

Crit rate up and he's dead

[ruby sparrow]

heist moment

lmao

[summer helm]

That didn't stop me. Actually made the fight difficult (among other things)

[worthy kelp]

Or like in P3R
"Theurgies don't pierce anymore"
Okay that's good, they'll be more balanced--
"You can't use items in battle anymore"

[ruby sparrow]

also heist

[summer helm]

Yeah I was about to complain about Kuyo Sword Dance

[ruby sparrow]

they rebalance it

[summer helm]

When
How

[ruby sparrow]

if i recall they reduce base damage for KSD but after use him once never use him anymore lmao

[summer helm]

Damn.
Honestly that is valid.
Last time I played it did slightly less damage than Brave Blade but it's an AoE and has a 30% crit chance.

[inland agate]

Can you give one character multiple ones, some of the bosses may deserve at least 2 depending on phase

[inland agate]

Wait that’s a move

[summer helm]

In Royal Heist it is

[ruby sparrow]

for masakado in royal heist yea

it was the most broken skill

and thats without almighty amp or magic ability stack from accesory and trait

[ruby sparrow]

update 2.0.0 "- Kuyo Sword Dance's base power has been nerfed to match Tandava"

[summer helm]

Wait does it get boosted with Magic Ability?
Because that would explain a lot.

[ruby sparrow]

and stack trait no? (i imagine it is) lmao

[summer helm]

Stack trait?

[ruby sparrow]

trait + acessory

[summer helm]

Ohhh

[summer helm]

Also I'm on 2.0.4 why is it still broken

[ruby sparrow]

example. tho i prefer thor uniqe

[summer helm]

i'm sorry what where did you get the ||magic mastery|| trait

also my nonsense

[ruby sparrow]

satanael

[summer helm]

ohhh yeah that makes sense

yeah I have a satanael mod that i forgot i had on

[ruby sparrow]

jose battle is mostly him being tanky

last one. u get the idea

[summer helm]

Honestly Antichthon is a very interesting skill. It's Heavy Almighty with Checkmate added in. It would be very broken if it wasn't for it's 140 SP requirement.

||Oh? What's that? The persona has spell master AND Allure of Wisdom. And that means the skill only costs 17 SP? Nah it's fine.||

[ruby sparrow]

AoW and Sm stack huh

[summer helm]

Yeah, it does. As does any other trait that reduces SP usage.

I got Salvation on Ishtar using only 4 SP.

I also have a burning hatred for Megiddo Ark because it makes Debilitate completely worthless.

[inland agate]

If only the bosses were balanced around the insanely busted moves

[summer helm]

Well ||Yaldaboath|| actually made me afraid despite me using that Lucifer and Futsnushi on him.

[ruby sparrow]

||maruki now have flow for battle so he have interchangeable affinity||

[inland agate]

Oh that’s cool

[inland agate]

That fight wasn’t hard but it took me forever

Like almost an hour and a half bc I ran out of sp items

[summer helm]

Oh that's...

Yeah I'm glad I'm taking a break before doing his dungeon.

[summer helm]

I mean it wasn't that hard. I never died (okay I had the configuration in CBT where Joker dying doesn't mean a game over but I've party wiped to less) but it was the extra stuff that was given to him and his attacks AND... Because I was playing on Merciless despite the mod telling me not to do that.

[ruby sparrow]

to be fair i also have loki mod (which is compatable lmao)

[inland agate]

I wish that worked with R&V

Dying bc rose catches a stray is rly annoying

[summer helm]

It does though?

I mean I've been using it for most of my playthrough

[inland agate]

It lets you turn it on but when she dies it gets really buggy

At least for me

[summer helm]

I just guard and she falls over and the game moves on

[inland agate]

Ah ok good to know

[summer helm]

Yeah. Don't call a persona. I died to the Archangel mini boss and I had Carmen and Zorro haunting the safe room when I reloaded.

[hollow frost]

shouldn't be too hard

id be down

[red oxide]

Depends on the script

[inland agate]

Good to know it’s possible

Some of them like madarame might need 2, one for painting form and one for human

[ruby sparrow]

for cut in im pretty sure they have one for human its when the door of fake sayuris

[inland agate]

They do?

I’ve seen that part of the game at least like 4 times and I don’t remember that

[ruby sparrow]

like at least pretty sure they do

[inland agate]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[ruby sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-sure-mark-grayson-maybe-yes-invincible-gif-20907699

It's the one where they try infiltrate madarame palace
Before bringing Yusuke

[inland agate]

I dunno chat

If it does exist I can’t find it

[ruby sparrow]

Unless u mean battle cut in
I guess I mix up battle cutin with dialog cut in

[inland agate]

No I haven’t seen his dialogue cut in

Oh wait nvm

[ruby sparrow]

Really?
Huh.

[inland agate]

I forgot it just looks different

But either way if the party gets custom animated ones it’d be cool to give that to the bosses too