Just realised i never payed attention if futaba started hacking sometime after wakaba bites the dust or if she was already dabbling with it before
#[P5R PC] Take Your Time | [FEMC & Yuri] Story and Gameplay Overhaul
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How would wakaba lawfully get hormones even...
Interesting
Impressive how you just have to take some pills as an amab to get bazongers. The human body truly is a patchwork held together with duct tape and dreams
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Maybe...
Wakaba: gave blockers
Post death, before Sojiro: no HRT
Sojiro: She does DIY HRT? Sojiro helps a bit?
Idk
One thing i wanna keep in mind is if i give hrt while wakaba is alive, because then theres a huge period of time after death that futaba is in abusive households
She would basically detransition in that case? Couldnt this cause some health issues?
Gosh im sleepy and cant think any more. Goodnight
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She would basically detransition in that case? Couldnt this cause some health is...
no
but she would start experiencing male puberty again which actually would explain if she willfully did not eat enough 
also blockers without hormones raises your risk of osteoporosis later in life so itd probably be avoided unless she was still questioning
but also havent we talked about this like twice before. maybe start keeping notes if you forget a third time
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Pin it if can
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also blockers without hormones raises your risk of osteoporosis later in life so...
Wow had no idea
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but also havent we talked about this like twice before. maybe start keeping note...
Say again? My hearing aint what it used to be 50 years ago
Jokes aside i never came to a conclusion on this
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what is this thumbnail 😭 😭 😭 😭
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Peak. That's what it is.
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new ship just dropped
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madohomu
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more madohomu
https://x.com/henemimi/status/1532265417380487168
sterile micaBOT
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[Tweet](<https://x.com/i/status/1532265417380487168>) • [@henemimi](<https://x.c...
absolute cinema
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Anyone remember bakugon and the cards?
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https://tenor.com/view/bakugan-anime-spinning-rotating-playing-gif-17104409
Their still around but they ain’t like the old ones like 2008 ones
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Thought I’d get Ojou-sama but nope just floof
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many such cases
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fucked up :/ i hope they get better soon
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it's terminal
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it's terminal
Me when asking where to find alot of busses.
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bussies
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imagine being called distorted face.
so messed up
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https://youtu.be/eNUTOlOljiA
if i ever do a tyt for p4, i def want to put this on the first phase of p4's "final" boss, just because they both look very similar lmao (SMT3 and P4 spoilers obvs)
🪩 👁️
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holy shit this goes hard
maybe use for a quest battle or smth
talking of DeSu
😭
im deceased
not to be confused with the (bigger) p5 haru
as we all know, all tops are made for big breasts
same artist does digimon cyber sleuth btw
absolute shocker
good design is when every woman is a stripper clearly
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same artist does digimon cyber sleuth btw
anotha one
yknow, ann's panther fit is now looking kinda tame in comparison
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(the very last panel is def early 2000s japan yikes momen)
fuck it digimon yuri
toxic yuri 🔥
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<:Naofacepalm:857475925876277268>
Suddenly remind me of crow from NIKKE 💀
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Nikke 😭
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cant blame me 😭
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snoot
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It does show, no worries.
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a bit random but gosh do i wanna vent how i absolutely despise when people try to be 'unique' in forums by changing the default text to be something
-# completely unreadable
like holy shit thanks
small text, terrible fonts, font colors that are impossible to read depending on the site's theme, all italics or bold, etc
a big ol fuck you
one of the few ways that social media is way better than forums. specially if youre dyslxeic or colorblind or just have a bad eyesight
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https://tenor.com/view/cat-in-the-hat-cat-hat-gif-14087452410916308993
"is pussei the only thing on your head?"
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https://tenor.com/view/cat-in-the-hat-cat-hat-gif-14087452410916308993
and of course its a orange cat.
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you gotta stop horsing around
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you gotta stop horsing around
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lawyer???????
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have i ever come to a conclusion how i'll handle jose? i have the memory of a goldfish
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no I do not think so
you just brought up how he broke the game and then left it at that
get someone to help you nerf the bonuses into the ground
(I say that bc it's probably hardcoded to hell and back)
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continuing from this, i find maruki such an interesting case for what he did to p5 discourse
damn discord took its time
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continuing from this, i find maruki such an interesting case for what he did to ...
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wdym?
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im writing the explanation rn
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gotcha lol
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in a game that hammers down the idea of rebelling against overwhelming, insurmountable power forced upon you, maruki as a self-elected reality-warping god basically stands against everything the story is going against, but most players are stil lulled into supporting him regardless of his methods or how realistic his ideas truly are, because he says the right thing and gives people a sense of comfort, and many just accept his premise first and dont investigate further
i think that the story's own framing of all these palace rulers being selfish people that want to benefit themselves at expense of others def makes maruki's ""selfless"" acts look much better than they are. at the end of the day maruki is still really selfish, but instead of fueling his greed, he's fueling his savior/god complex and forcing upon others what he thinks will make them happier
maruki is not evil, tho. he genuinely believes he's doing good, and for many he actually is, but he doesnt realise how manipulative he ends up being(i recommend watching thoughtbubble's videos on maruki. they really end up shining light on this aspect of him that many dont notice), and at the end of the day, his plan is full of holes
1 - its, before the merging, centralized in tokyo. how will maruki manage 8 billion people without making compromises? he already does many compromises. remember, maruki is implied to have made people accept love confessions. this by itself is already awful imo. remember that his japan-only reality was already full of contradictions and paradoxes. this is already not sustainable on a small village-level scale, much less a large worldwide one
2 - you do not give control of reality to one, grieving mentally ill man. there's a reason that monarchies are bad even if you can make an argument of the best king being better than the average president. there's still a problem in concentrating all power to one person, specially if we're talking of power over reality
my point is that maruki shows how often people are okay with authoritarianism if they think they can get what they want
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continuing from this, i find maruki such an interesting case for what he did to ...
i said p5 discourse, but if you compared to p3 and 4 discourse it doesnt feel much like it tho lol
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4 is a warzone
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what discourse p5 even has?
- the two gay stereotypes (the jokes are cringe anyway)
- 'little sister' futaba (dumb)
- dating adults (hoo boy)
- ann nude modeling, in addition to the overall tone-deaf sexualization of a victim of sexual abuse(this one can get very nuanced. its not a binary 'she's sexualized'/'she owns her sexuality'. both are true and they fluctuate in the story itself)
- no gay romance (same as 4. dunno how much demand theres for yaoi in 3, but at least portable did bring some yuri)
- akechi
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Just Akechi?
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just monika akechi
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What we should be mad about is the fact Royal especially has a pacing issue especially the Royal events
Like Sumi alone you can just tell she was rushed
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it doesnt feel like royal addresses many of the problems in the og, in fact they make plenty of it worse imo
for every good improvement to the og (like self repleneshing ammo), theres like 3 new things that bloat the experience and make an easy game already easier
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It improved gameplay wise but story wise they were too focused on 3rd semester and how to get people who got the PS3 version to buy the game again
Hence my theory of Sumi wasn’t supposed to have a persona so early
They did the bare minimum and the base story suffers from it making it feel more dragged out than already and for what
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it is a side plot that is very disconnected. thats not necessarily bad but doesnt justify buying again when most companies wouldve just made the maruki storyline a dlc instead
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im only buying metaphor if they either announce the definitive version, or state outright there wont be one (and i'll still wait for my backlog to go down a bit. you never know if they go back on it)
in the long run atlus' practices are very harmful for their sales. shocker let me tell ya
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Imagine having a new character be a big selling point for your rerelease just for them to barely be in the game at all
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It improved gameplay wise but story wise they were too focused on 3rd semester a...
gameplaywise we have:
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straightup improvements:
- replenisheable ammo
- more stuff to do in the overworld
- more free time slots, but with + 3 more confidants (2 new + akechi from auto to optional) to justify giving that much more time to the player
- ailment overhaul (although they become mostly irrelevant soon after kaneshiro, which is specifically designed to use ailments, so the main issues arent really adressed)
- mementos shop. very appreciated
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depends, but overall positive:
- traits. they make the game easier but are overall not insane, and they bring much needed purpose to the party members to differentiate themselves from the MC just from their presence alone
- capacity to 99 all stats in a persona if you have the patience for it with the alarm system. before that, making super personas was miserable
- more party member personalization through jazz club. does end up making final movesets a bit boring tho
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negative, but still fun:
- showtime. still a fun addition but they are basically a 'dont lose' button
- technical and baton pass ranks. 100% technical knockdown should not be behind the books, and i also think that the new technical effects should just be there from the start. this just makes stuff messier and more confusing. similarly, getting max ranks in them trivialize a lot of the game, specially baton pass. BP was already insanely broken in p5 due to the nature of action economy, but max out baton pass increasing damage and healing hp and sp is completely insane and makes the game play for itself. them both give lots of dopamine boost, but thats it, the game does not balance itself for these additions. also, getting perfect in darts is ridiculously easy, and yes i mostly used the motion controls in the ps4 version and it still was easy, so they should not increase BP rank by 2, specially when you can just soft reset until you get it.
- jose. my completionist brain likes collecting stamps but they break the game
also the 2 new confidants are bad gameplaywise. maruki deletes resource management and needing to care about ailments. why use accessories and passives to protect yourself from them if you can just run around with a trash persona and be saved by him when you get brainwashed? SP is an even bigger joke from him
sumi's confidant abilities include a ranged overworld attack to auto ambush anyone from a safe distance, when the stealth elements of the game were already a joke and getting ambushes is easy. and not only that, but doing this much safer ambush method gives you bonus in the enemies beign afflicted with broken stuff like dizzy that can be teched by anything. also if thats not enough one of her abilities basically makes you immune to being surrounded in the once in a blue moon ocassion it happens
royal's additions are mostly 'cool stuff' imo, but they are more often than not not really tested with how they work alongside the game as a whole
but hey royal added sumi so its 10/10
my beloved
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just ~~monika~~ akechi
vriska (vriska) akechi (akechi)
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gameplaywise we have:
- straightup improvements:
- replenisheable ammo
- mor...
wait what ailment overhaul. the only change i recall noticing is mostly shorter durations (lame, makes them even easier to rawdog) and the ability to make technical more useful (like ig i can see why having knowing the heart be so out of the way can be a problem but tech rank is imo preferable to when i was playing og p5 and practically forgot technicals exist bc they were unreliable and there was nothing drawing attention to them)
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wait what ailment overhaul. the only change i recall noticing is mostly shorter ...
i mean you can have the benefits of the tech rank without the tech rank. the main things are guaranteed knockdowns and having more technical options, which imo would be more intuitive if these were just part of the base game. but tech rank in specific is very tame and dont really break the game honestly. baton pass rank is the bigger issue
an obvious disclaimer that this is talking from the perspective of a sweat wanting a challenging game, which is def not the market atlus is trying to capture. making p5 even easier by bloating with dopamine-inducing mechanics is actually good since they are focusing on people new or hostile to jrpgs that were attracted by p5's aesthetic and music
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arent the latter group the kind of people who will just watch it on youtube instead :V
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tbf i wonder how much being a ps4 exclusive instead of cross platform contributed to that
for og p5
ps3/ps4
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i guess i do think there should be a hint that you can improve technicals if the improvements arent just gonna be baseline
rather than my experience of basically stumbling upon them through pure curiosity
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what discourse p5 even has?
- the two gay stereotypes (the jokes are cringe anyw...
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morgana in the okumura arc (actually pretty much everything in that arc)
"the phantom thieves aren't friends"
the whole style over substance argument (not just that video which kinda sucks but the sentiment in general)
the harem scene ig
haru screentime
plenty of discourse to be found for P5
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i mean calling some of those "discourse" feels weird since i dont think anyone disagrees that eg. haru has late character syndrome
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my point is that maruki shows how often people are okay with authoritarianism if...
I think this is why Maruki ends up working so well too, like it's ultimately not that different from yaldabaoth but presenting it in the way it does makes it look more appealing. it honestly reflects (in a different way) how authoritarianism can take root, just through someone appearing to have good intentions. louis metaphor explores the same idea from a slightly different perspective too
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i mean calling some of those "discourse" feels weird since i dont think anyone d...
well everything there except Haru is definitely discourse. haru I would argue has....some discourse but not to the same degree
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haru has discourse, its me discoursing why she's my wife and nobody else's 😤
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I think this is why Maruki ends up working so well too, like it's ultimately not...
yeah im not innocent from sometimes wishing for some degree of authoritarianism and i believe most aren't either. like, when you see something awful happening and you kind of wished that there was some other power to put the bad in its place? even if that meant no proper procedure, vigilantism, and basically just shifting the power figure to someone else instead of fixing it? without oversight and accountability to them? just like the previous guys we wanted to put in their place were doing in the first place? its basically what the PTs do, in fact it's been a major part of fiction for millenia
generally pro authoritarian sentiment tends to be stronger amongst people that feel hopeless for a reason or another, they want someone to solve the issues that they feel are out of their reach. manipulative political figures, for example, abuse the hell out of it in real life, tho in that case they are the reason things are so miserable, but divert the blame to wedge non-issues like brown and gay people existing, while they pickpocket their base
just so happens that maruki's reason is not bad, but his methodology completely is regardless, and without checks and balances, who can make sure he keeps the end of his deal? what if he becomes just like all the palace rules we fought against? something to mention is how prevalent the idea of 'power corrupts people' ends up being within the narrative. heck the whole system for the metaverse is about desires distorting over time. maruki from 2016 would be a completely different person even just a decade later, if not centuries if he can somehow keep himself alive with his powers. just think of the trope of a king turning senile and ordering a bunch of executions, dunno how often that happened irl but its a major concern for centralized power
btw can maruki bring himself to life like he did the others? the mechanisms of his power still confuse me
i know that the topic is specifically about p5 but i still cant stop cringing when i bring parallels between p5 and real life. i blame the fanbase
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i know that the topic is specifically about p5 but i still cant stop cringing wh...
p5 fans be like HP fans
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he doesnt necessarily have to even become Evil™, even momentary frustration can cause bad decisions and bad decisions can pile up into a critical mass that implodes spectacularly
especially when you combine that with the inherent lack of accountability that comes with being able to reshape reality with a thought
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basically. the ability to even do a few terrible decisions (as we already see from before the story even begins with the sumi brainwashing. not to mention the many cases you can see in third sem) are enough to disqualify anyone or anything from having this much power in the first place lol
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but i do think its not above him to become le evil ™. there are just way too many variables for me discount the idea, specially thanks to him gaining full authority over all, and the possible dehumanization that can slowly develop in anyone that becomes detached from other people or groups, and this is in my opinion a pretty ubiquitous part of being human, there's only so much empathy your brain can give before shutting down, which can still contribute to him making a bad decision even if he never becomes bad bad, and that is enough of an issue anyway
also degenerative diseases are always a risk regardless of how principled he could be with power if he were to be sound of mind(he isnt. his desires distorted by intense sorrow. he needs a therapist himself in the first place)
footnote, two heads are always better than one ||no not like that||. having only one biased input leads to a lot of tunnelvisioning and thats bad for any leadership
not below him or above him idk
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This giving the energy of "finally got the murder charge drop" AO3 writter
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excuse me what
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U haven't seen the Tumblr post of someone finally back making fanfic and the reason of hiatus was the writer was somehow got murder charge lmao
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ryuji too
morgana in the okumura arc (actually pretty much everything in that ar...
slams morgana into concrete wall
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U haven't seen the Tumblr post of someone finally back making fanfic and the rea...
no
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Fucken love AO3 writter note lmao
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That's also a classic lmao
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ao3 writers are truly our strongest soldiers
(also if you want to make all techs available from the start you can just yeet the bitflag req in skill.tbl)
(you can also change it to some other flag if you want to be goofy)
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the thing is that i do like the tech rank idea in theory, but in practice it always felt a bit awkwardly implemented
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i think there just needs to be some wink-nudge encouraging one to do billiards lol, either outright telling you the benefit is something tech-related or at least "hey if you ever need to dump sl points into a bunch of party members at once"
i didnt discover tech rank until like 6th or 7th palace and it was mostly because i didnt have anything better to do and got curious what billiards did
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i think there just needs to be some wink-nudge encouraging one to do billiards l...
like what if after akechi rank 2 you got a coupon for a free billiards game or smth so ppl were like "fuck it, might as well cash that in" and then that makes them do billiards and discover the tech stuff
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i think there just needs to be some wink-nudge encouraging one to do billiards l...
i did already code new stuff for billiards funnily enough. it was like two years ago but it's still in the mod and it was basically a choice between doing the billiards from vanilla, or trying to impress someone in specific, and that person would end up learning from a per-character list of moves after that. the idea is that it 'inspired' them to learn skills that are not part of their usual moveset or smth like that
found it. yeah it was very undercooked and i'll def be going a different route when revisiting this
specially now that i actually have a lot of skill variety
for some reason i forgor to rename automaraku here to match the other auto-ma renames lol
im looking back at my skill list and wtf i did all this
about 240 skills...
oh right i still havent finished modifying the passive skills
cloud dew
Kibbty
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hi
ornate ferry
I have created the yuri in the answer
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average youtube shorts commenter 
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average youtube shorts commenter <:femcsigh:752266148187209840>
Pin of shame their ass
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totally unrelated to why i often tryhard and am, in general, super competitive. yup
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https://tenor.com/view/yukari-takeba-mitsuru-kirijo-persona-3-reload-the-answer-...
I hate this gif bc everyone uses it for yukamitsu yuri but this is the scene they actively changed in reload to remove the yuri lmao
like in this scene in FES it focuses on Yukari/Mitsuru's relationship but in Reload they talk about the protag instead 💀💀
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💀
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counterpoint: reality can be whatever i want 
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I hate this gif bc everyone uses it for yukamitsu yuri but this is the scene the...
broke: atlus didnt add femc to p3r because thatd require a lot more resources
woke: atlus didnt add femc to p3r because they want you to buy portable
bespoke: atlus didnt add femc to p3r because that means theyd have to make yukari a raging lesbian in the answer DLC
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mod that fixes the episode aigis writing but it's just called yuri restoration instead
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broke: atlus didnt add femc to p3r because thatd require a lot more resources
wo...
im mostly /joking
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broke: atlus didnt add femc to p3r because thatd require a lot more resources
wo...
imagine the outrage if they offered FEMC route but then were like hi yeah the answer is only for the male protag if you played FEMC route fuck you
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they want to HIDE the truth...
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actually that'd be a blessing bc FEMC route fans wouldn't have to worry about dogshit writing changes then 🙏
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imagine the outrage if they offered FEMC route but then were like hi yeah the an...
absolutely nuclear discourse
imagine p4 but worse
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mod that fixes the episode aigis writing but it's just called yuri restoration i...
this isn't happening, not from me at least. not because I dislike yuri but because I hate everything that episode aigis stands for and-
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big brian: yuri and writing fixes. you just wanted an improved the answer? you'll get the mandatory 12h-long unskippable yukarixmitsuru gex scene because i said so
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gameplaywise we have:
- straightup improvements:
- replenisheable ammo
- mor...
oh yeah I meant to respond but forgot
it's funny because you point out a lot of these things as being negatives and I do think that's both fair and valid but the thing about P5R is that a lot of its new mechanics are also really fun and interesting, just unbalanced. like one of the things you pointed out is baton pass giving bonuses. actually this is one of the things where I think royal did good, reload reverted this but I think royal is better for having it to be honest.
it's odd to explain but I really do think a lot of the royal mechanics, while not balanced, are not in themselves bad additions if that makes sense
baton pass chain is super fun to have especially when you get bonuses for a full chain. it's really satisfying and it adds a nice incentive to link baton passes together
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this isn't happening, not from me at least. not because I dislike yuri but becau...
not from me either because i cant be assed to learn more unreal than i already have B)
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oh yeah I meant to respond but forgot
it's funny because you point out a lot of...
well yeah my point is that they are indeed fun. the only one i truly wasnt a fan of when running the game casually were the stamps, since they arent even fun to interact with, just makes the game passively easier. the thing is just that difficulty-wise they are negatives, not even because you cant balance them, but because the game itself was not balanced to account for this. but this is indeed a rather niche issue that arose from me admitedly nitpicking the game's balancing flaw from the lens of someone wanting a hard campaign, but for the vast majority of the intended audience, and even the more sweaty players like me, its still executed really well in the fun and satisfying factor
persona 5 reminds me a lot of vampire survivors funnily enough
both are games with great presentation that utilize animations, colors, lights, etc to make a fun spectacle, and you do find them really fun despite the actual gameplay very often ending up rather shallow and straightforward despite how many choices you are presented with that do alude to more depth. p5 has way more potential for depth obviously and there are plenty of moments in the game for it, but you still can probably win while shutting off your brain and vibing to the visuals and music(until okumura 
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i suppose they are 'negatives' in the same way getting chocolate when youve breen craving ravioli would be a slight disappointment, like heck yeah chocolate, but i wanted ravioli(and i dont know what i expected going to a chocolate store for ravioli)
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my issue with stamps is the combination that and how rng they become in later blocks
like wow i sure do love flipping between two floors for half an hour for the privilege of a powerup i dont need
like logically i guess i could ignore the mechanic altogether if im that allergic to overleveling, but also when i started futaba there were already a couple enemies i could instakill and thats before the number of stamps per block becomes egregious
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i find the argument of not engaging with a whole mechanic of the game because it makes it too easy kinda silly. like, yeah you can do that but its clearly self imposed and youre not engaging with all the game has to offer. also you'll usually only know if something is broken after already trying it, and some cases that comes too late for a first playthrough. how am i supposed to be sure the devs are not expecting me to get a lot of exp and money from the stamps when they shove this whole system on your face?
this basically requires an outside meta knowledge to not do x because its poorly balanced and will make the game unfun for some, instead of just enjoying the game on your own first
reminds me of not using items in pokemon battles because of course this will make the game easier, but when the npcs themselves are spamming annoying items, the game is basically signaling that there isnt really a 'gentleman's agreement' about not using items, and that they are indeed part of the battles, not using them is purely self imposed
on a similar note, i really wanna try having item usage be a core part of the battle system here. it seems theres a lot of potential for them, specially because of the baton pass system that makes action economy so ridiculously flexible
plus, items are the one of the only things linking the social sim and the metaverse aspects, i think they should shine more to make both experiences even more intertwined
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tbh ive never not had a consumable for a situation when i needed it bc theres frankly no shortage of them lol (though i did skill issue by not considering them for okumura). actually imo theyre another thing that fucks the sp economy lol
items are actually pretty nice if you think to use them but most people dont because why do that when you can use the mechanic the series is named for
i went to link this video bc i was reminded of it and forgor theres a p5 clip in literally the first minute lmfao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEzx_wtcHAo
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yeah ive seen the video. the biggest hurdle is making sure to make the players aware of them being not just a viable option but part of the intended gameplay
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tbh ive never *not* had a consumable for a situation when i needed it bc theres ...
there is kind of an issue of too many items. its also specially difficult to not have hundreds of cheap-to-buy items due to the nature of most of them coming from our real world, and selling an arm and a leg for a soda can is completely immersion breaking. i should be thinking more about this since its relevant from the first demo rather than down the line
i think having more specialized anti-ailment effects should maybe not be together with the horde of 'cure 10 hp' sodas? this really cheapens ailment efficacy against players because they'll rarely not be prepared
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they want to HIDE the truth...
plot twist: despite having no recollection of these events, she's clearly talking of her LESBIAN polycule from pq2. she misses ann 
||obviously /j but yall cant stop me when i touch the q games 😈 ||
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The stars will be aligned
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i find the argument of not engaging with a whole mechanic of the game because it...
I fucking hate this argument yeah like why would I not use the mechanics a game offers? if you have to avoid using mechanics in order for the game to not be too easy then it's bad game design
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the thing is that there are very few objective lines over what makes the game too easy in a way everyone will agree its the player's fault for doing it and making the game easy, like literally setting the difficulty to 'easy', or if the game has no cap on exp, one could theoretically grind to lvl 100 at the start and steamroll the game, but no one sane enough would do that. meanwhile if just using a mechanic how its clearly supposed to be used is enough to break the game, then yeah thats just bad design
it seems that often criticism of something in a game is just dismissed by 'you can just not do it! no one is forcing you to!', and like, yeah? obviously the person knows this, but thats not whats being talked about! this is just a lazy thought terminating cliche that shuts off any potential discussion and/or criticism and it constantly grinds my gears
i see this often with stuff like "you can just not click the 'date ken' button!" or "you can just not date your teacher" and its incredibly disingenuous and bad faithy to boil down someone's criticism with the existance of content be it for whatever reason into an argument for the person having no control into doing x. i say this as someone that does not mind the kawakami romance whatsoever, i can still agree that this type of rhetoric is incredibly toxic and anti intelectual
uncut depot
I fucking hate this argument yeah like why would I *not* use the mechanics a gam...
if the best play experience is to not use it then maybe it shouldnt be there 
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i see this often with stuff like "you can just not click the 'date ken' button!"...
not entirely related anymore but ive been really wanting to vent about this and it fits enough anyway. i often see people so focused in 'dunking' the 'other team' that they just... dont make the best arguments, because they require more than like 3 words to say
like, imagine a mod that removes gay flags in a game(cough cough spiderman), people will rightfully call it out as bigotry because there is very rarely a legitimate reason for it besides the message its sending. people will say you can just "not download the mod/its optional", but whether the mod gets downloaded or not, what matters is the precedence they set in the community, and if left unchecked, the space will be overrun by the worst of the worst, and minority creators will not feel welcomed at all. so, congrats, you made a toxic cesspit over an 'optional mod' that brought nothing to the table but stir up drama, an optional mod whose whole existence prevents it from being culturally optional and in which it will dominate the community if it gets enough traction from bad actors
now, another scenario: a game adds a gay romance option or someone makes a mod that adds gay stuff. i often see this same argument used against homophobes when they complain about this. saying that the mod/romance is optional and no one is forcing you to interact with the gay™, except that it being optional is not why they are okay! there is a clear difference between something made for hatred and something made for acceptance, it being optional is not why its okay to have gay people in games, it's because the existence of gay people is not in fact an attack on your heterosexuality. so the moment you argue over its optionality, you are saying that the previous example is also okay, and--in the vast majority of cases--that will be a contradiction because they do not think that the homophobic mod is okay simply because its optional
oh well this is not really an issue anyway. i am just annoyed at bad arguments even if i agree
https://tenor.com/view/billy-billion-billydollar-billydollarcat-billiondollar-gif-295102304818617994
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not entirely related anymore but ive been really wanting to vent about this and ...
i often see this same argument used against homophobes when they complain about this. saying that the mod/romance is optional and no one is forcing you to interact with the gay™, except[...]it being optional is not why its okay to have gay people in games, it's because the existence of gay people is not in fact an attack on your heterosexuality
tbf i feel like the former argument could also be a poorly formulated version of the latter
like someone might say "no one is forcing you to click the gay button" when they mean "this does absolutely zero harm to you, get over it"
fresh mulch
> i often see this same argument used against homophobes when they complain abou...
i mean yeah it usually is that when elaborated further as to the 'why'
this is just a dumb pet peevee
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gnight. hopefully i can get back to this somewhat soon
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Honorary mention to our favorite man ho, p3 makoto
I think i'll be bringing frost ace and queen frost here. Not sure about the character cosplay ones
mellow pecan
Does Jack the Ripper count as a (hee-) ho?
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hly shite i can barely stay awakeafter tking some meds
simple knoll
clonodine?
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Finbfrrmber
Imngtjnh hk typecvhdvgdffn
Omg thjd jd bad
Icant shbshfjbfvlvtake bdesk
mellow pecan
Rest well.
austere rover
hee-ho fellas from mip ❤️
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I'm always saying this
Bruh
Trying to decipher what i meant
Wtf i slept form morning to afternoon
fresh mulch
hee-ho fellas from mip ❤️
Theyre nice hos
mellow pecan
Trying to decipher what i meant
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jovial turret
ofc its the picture of teddie doing the 67
trim onyx
Yaoi
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ofc its the picture of teddie doing the 67
the woke dog has to be put down unfortunately
jovial turret
wdym unfortunately
thats the best thing to ever happen
all my homies hate teddie
trim onyx
Oi that’s my P4 family
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Finbfrrmber
"I don't remember"
"I can't type oh god"
"Omg this is bad"
"I can't [-----------]"
couldnt remember the last one
uncut depot
oooh they fawking
sorry im distracted by the giraffe necks
uncut depot
the important context here is i was dming raven about the idea of an akechi protag mod that is expressly yaoiful
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the important context here is i was dming raven about the idea of an akechi prot...
so the female romances would be gone? 🤔
uncut depot
i mean i wouldnt stop anyone from adding them back bc idc but for sure yaoi would be a day one feature lmao
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i mean for my own mod i'd care I see
uncut depot
good thing itd be my mod and not yours :v
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snickering
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mellow pecan
sterile micaBOT
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[Tweet](<https://x.com/i/status/2056736663775465912>) • [@comolaveson](<https://...
its pretty obvious who's the top right
mellow pecan
Is there anyone that Makoto P5 could top?
left hinge
huh did they drop a new waifu
What ? Yui ?
fresh mulch
What ? Yui ?
>types yuri
>shows yui
tenor moment
hmmm what if sophia and futaba had a baby together...
pft
uncut depot
not "skill issue" smh
left hinge
hmmm what if sophia and futaba had a baby together...
Well if u don't mind spoiler ||she is a tired office lady||
fresh mulch
what the fuck
there are so many 😭
i cant be the only one that isnt much of a fan of some of the 'civilian' designs?
usually they look good enough in the pt fits tho, but something doesnt sit well with me 🤔
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normie fits
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its honestly a similar feeling i got from seeing the new characters in royal and strikers, except for sophia and sumi
like, they are well designed, but the style feels different
fresh mulch
i cant be the only one that isnt much of a fan of some of the 'civilian' designs...
and like, these ones are just straightup boring
okay there's something from p5x's artstyle in and on itself that i do not like
cant pintpoint what exactly tho
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mmm smells like gacha slop
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~~btw ive pointed out before the nip zippers in ann's fit, but just now i realized she has a 🐱 zipper too 💀 ~~
fresh mulch
mmm smells like gacha slop
this does make me wonder how many characters were added to fill a gacha quota
the hourglass figure men expect nowadays 😔
mellow pecan
there are so many 😭
Fodder for the Gacha.
||Also implied to have been proper Phantom Thieves in previous iterations of reality, based on one of Wonder's visions||.
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if p5x is so good then why theres no p4x
makes me wonder if anyone will salvage the game to be playable offline at the end of its lifetime
like with clubpenguin and some others
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skg has entered the chat
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skg?
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skg?
ew
huh seems to be doing well
funny how certain people will only ever care about rights when it comes to muh vidya games 🙄
still a good thing at the end, but gosh this pisses me off
meanwhile most of these guys raise no concern for other causes because its either 'political' or they hate gay/brown people
fresh mulch
huh seems to be doing well
this does bring a smile to my face
this will open so many more doors for modding of online games after they go defunct
finally, gacha games without gacha
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uncut depot
classic
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(that was in a convo for checking for even but checking for odd is just the opposite result lol)
fresh mulch
btw what he wants is: number % 2 == 0
% is for modulo operations. with 2, a result of 0 is even and a result with 1 is odd
omg i trip up so badly with what is odd and what is even
idk why. just not native speaker
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(that was in a convo for checking for *even* but checking for odd is just the op...
checking for 'false' is just checking for 'not true' after all 
petition for a boolean with true, false, and maybe
uncut depot
% is for modulo operations. with 2, a result of 0 is even and a result with 1 is...
i know what modulo is
fresh mulch
i know what modulo is <:adachi_true:1055549833710149812>
its for the chat not you
TIL there's yandere simulator yuri
...thanks
unsurprisingly its full of very bloody doomed yuri to put it lightly
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A bit sudden but again, thanks yall for sticking around. I probably wouldve abandoned this project for sure had it not been for all the support i got.
Im dealing with some code spaghetti in another project, but when that is done, ive been thinking on giving it a pause and come back to work on TYT.
Usually, most projects i do end up relying entirely on my own whims, and while thats mostly still true, this has been one of my few opportunities i had to work on something not just for myself, but for others that want to see it achieve its potential just likd i do, and i dont wanna disappoint yall's faith in me
Still, it wont be now, but soon. I want to at least immortalize this vision of mine in a concrete demo before i can even think on throwing the towel, if ever
left hinge
there are so many 😭
Funny thing is only 6 (as of now) actually is persona user the rest is MC being schizo
left hinge
Funny thing is only 6 (as of now) actually is persona user the rest is MC being ...
(no ironic cuz theory rn those phantom idol was different timeline where they are persona user)
mellow pecan
Is this yuri?
fresh mulch
The suit sounds like a reddit mod
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my chud son <3
(about smtv being a gritty pokemon)
i'd say the wheelchair penis demon is such a crucial element of the franchise
its funny seeing pokemon discourse because you can tell the people that never played a single rpg aside from pokemon
"why cant you just have an option to turn off exp share for all?"
uh... what? instead of arguing about the games being unbalanced when it comes to the enemy levels being way too low as the average player's, the arguments are about letting people to optionally turn off the exp share feature. this is not solving the actual problem and its a thing that is completely baffling to think about in any other rpg
i also see a huge idea that 'more options = gooder' for stuff like the official pokemon games or hackroms/fangames. and like yes some options are good, but they are not as essential or standard as the detractors make them sound like
would it be good if i could disable some of mishima's exp perks? or ryuji's instakill? of course omg that could be nice, but they dont have to do that nor do i blame atlus for not doing that
left hinge
would it be good if i could disable some of mishima's exp perks? or ryuji's inst...
If Mishima XP can be reduced why not.
But disabled instakill also would be more challenging run.
fresh mulch
the instakill only triggers for enemies you'd oneshot anyway, and the SP economy is nonexistant for chump fights to matter imo. its more a quality of life. the only issue about it is how lopsided it is. in og, its worse because it just killed anything without giving you exp or persona, in royal you can just kill basically anything and get the full rewards with no effort
the better solution would be trying to achieve a better balance
i think it was automatic in og? just have the og behavior but only limited to running (and requiring a higher level gap) would be ideal imo
doesnt make grinding a joke while still letting people breeze through the easy stuff
is there a single non-pokemon rpg that allows you to turn off the 'party-wide exp sharing' mechanic???
like this is so far out of the norm, but again pokemon fans are like harry potter fans, they don't play other games/don't read other books
PREACH
oh my gosh one thing i hate in jrpgs are dead party members not getting exp. like, this is just bad game design 😭
you're punishing the player for not turtling up and spamming revivals if they want the boss's exp. specially bad if there are self-sacrificial moves like explosion in pokemon
also p4's exp system is dogshit. does any of your backup party members get any exp??? i dont remember
but its so easy to have ridiculous level disparities there, to the point that if you want everyone to be at a matching level it becomes a drag
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also p4's exp system is dogshit. does any of your backup party members get any e...
no but I don't really understand calling out p4 in particular on this when p3 is identical to it
I have found though that having level disparities in P3/4 isn't too bad, if you're switching between party members somewhat frequently it can work out. typically protag + navi has the highest level with the others being 5ish levels below which is still acceptable
but of course I do think shared XP is the way to go
it could be worse though. it could be P1
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no but I don't really understand calling out p4 in particular on this when p3 is...
because i forgot about p3
jovial turret
it could be worse though. it could be P1
My friend wanted to watch me play p1 so I started it and it’s such a slog 😭
strong moat
ATLUS girlkisser has FORGOTTEN about persona 3?
fresh mulch
what was with p1's exp stuff again
strong moat
based on battle actions
fresh mulch
oh that was in the tip of my tongue
why anyone ever thinks this is a good idea is beyond me
strong moat
it's dogshit
actually I think P3R strikes a good balance between full shared XP and no shared XP
fresh mulch
best part is when healers and supporters get little exp because of this, and fast glass cannons get a lot of exp because of this, which makes them faster and stronger which means they get even more exp and then it snowballs
strong moat
it's basically no shared XP lol
but occasionally you can find the great clock in Tartarus, which allows you to level up some party members up to 13 levels
fresh mulch
it's basically no shared XP lol
but occasionally you can find the great clock in...
interesting. would it be similar to the exp statues in smt5?
fresh mulch
there theres plenty of big status of demons sctatered around and you can choose to get exp from them, and they will give a lot of exp to basically everyone
i like to stashing them away for later when i need to get some levelup skills for a demon but dont wanna grind them in battle
strong moat
I think it works a little differently then
you encounter them rarely on random Tartarus floors and you can choose 2 party members to level up
since the layout of Tartarus changes every day, there are technically an infinite number of them but you can only run into 1 or maybeeeeee 2 per trip, so I guess it's not infinite after all
fresh mulch
interesting
strong moat
they're infinite in the abyss of time
uncut depot
its funny seeing pokemon discourse because you can tell the people that never pl...
you cant even do that in pokémon either anymore lmao
fresh mulch
i mean yeah thats the point. pokemon was an outlier there
uncut depot
(and xy had this infamous problem where if you turned it off youd be underleveled but if you turned it on youd be overleveled lmao)
fresh mulch
when trainers only have up to 5 mons and 3 moves, being underleveled actually makes for a somewhat more entertaining game there
deadass the strong trainers dont have 4 moves 😭
strong moat
the takeaway is that options are good lol but they have to be part of the game design or else you're just telling someone, erm don't use physical or theurgies if you want a harder game smh
fresh mulch
deadass the strong trainers dont have 4 moves 😭
i could get it if it was some cases to prevent them from picking a bad move i'd get it, but no, its the norm. imagine how much harder they'd be with just one more coverage
mellow pecan
Let's Go not even giving the Elite 4 full movesets was a choice.
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the takeaway is that options are good lol but they have to be part of the game d...
options are one of those things that looking from outside are good, but they have way more nuance than people pretend. like, what should actually be an option in the first place? what exactly makes something have 'no reason not to' be an option? because there can be such a thing as option bloat IMO, and when options allow for such drastic unbalancing, then its basically pushing the fault on the users rather han the devs
strong moat
i think the best way to go about it is something like how p4 does it where difficulty presets are basically a list of options but you can customize your difficulty
like maybe i want to have no money but not no xp
u right tho there's nuance to it
fresh mulch
p4 seems to handle this somewhat well. at least it does easily signal what each level of difficulty is supposed to be like, but you can still tweak some numbers if you dont want to grind, or think that both you and the opponent should be fragile af
the thing about options is that even for accessibility's sake there still isnt the right way to do it, its a lot of case by case basis that depends a lot on the resources being poured not just on making the options, but on actually balancing. like, accessibility for example is good, but there are reasonable lengths one must expect from the devs, implementing colorblindness filters(that actually work) is much different than expecting every dev to implement the 'even blind players can play this game' option that TLOU2 has, etc
i think tho my main criticism of public perceptions is less about options in specific, and more players thinking that a dev not doing something specific they want = lazyness or greed, and missing the forest for thre trees or not realising the world doesnt revolve around their preferences
strong moat
it's funny how p4g is the best in the series when it comes to difficulty options while having some of the least well designed combat
fresh mulch
one issue with such flexible options like p4g's is that they make it basically unviable to create more specific experiences, because its very easy for the player to take the path of least resistance, even if they were the type to choose Hard first. its not the case with p4 because the dungeon gameplay is hardly a masterpiece, but for example, a game that does balance itself a lot on the player having to think about their money and be unable to just buy everything? they couldnt exactly implement the p4's money multiplier because that'd take away from a huge part of the game. this is all on a case by case basis
think like frequently savestating in emulators, you can just not do it, but when "cheating" has very little friction, its likely for players to rob themselves of an intended experience because they'd gotten frustrated.
like, if i could save state before a boss room in dark souls, i probably wouldve done this all the time while playing ds3, because many runbacks were just not enjoyable, but in a way.... i am kinda glad i couldnt just do that? the runbacks either frustrated me enough to force me to take a pause and cool myself off(which let me to go back to the boss on a better headspace), or they directly improvement my handling of the game, since i started trying to go faster and faster, and i often realized how most enemies i could completely ignore by maneuvering alone; this translated in a better movement skillset overall which made fighting the bosses easier than if i were just reloading back to the start of the boss fight as soon as i got hit, because that'd tunnelvision me entirely on memorizing the patterns instead of improving my overall skill
i still think many ds3 runbacks are dogshit tho. anything involving elevators should be considered a war crime
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hmm i should probably have more through changes to sumi's introduction 🤔
like make her less hamfisted in the narrative overall
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Those are some hard choices
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and I don't know any of them
I'll disown you
Im torn between yurikuma because its hilarios and emotional and im still feeling empty after it, and villainess because i read all the light novels and i loved it so much i supported the author's kofi~~(the paywalled smut was not the reason nope)~~
Unrelated but she writes some good sesbian le—
I also really liked strawberry panic
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Anyway your vote is important, we need you 🫵 in the yuri thread's yuri poll
You may miss elections but you cant miss yuri
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Morning sapphic and the other people
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movies that traumatized 10yo me forever ❤️
the older i get the more i appreciate them
how they make me feel
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no gundam witch yet? damn
uncut depot
surprisingly, the only gundam ive seen is uc lol
fresh mulch
i should prolly watch other gundams
mellow pecan
Ah, didn't see that. My apologies.
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this shit can be crazy good sometimes. if not for watermarks i couldve been fooled so many times by now
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Jonkle, years into the relationship, when all ann ever talks about is still about shiho
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Every time i remember yandere simulator was a thing, i feel an aching on a new old bone, and a wave of digust washes over me, all at once
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jovial turret
Car wash
grand cipher
strong moat
so nonchalant....
queen lintel
Do we have any gameplay or mod updates?
grand cipher
nope, just yuri
fresh mulch
Not atm, no. But shouldnt take too long for me to get back
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hmmm im now suddenly interested in trying to fully implement my new day system. but i should be going to sleep rn
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hmmm im now suddenly interested in trying to fully implement my new day system. ...
Gonna be away from the pc for a few hours, so i cant get to it yet
If i recall, what i'd already implemented was the barebones of the system, that being 2 daytime slots at saturday (early and late afternoon), and 3 daytime slots at sunday (1 morning, 2 afternoons). However, i didnt handle the minute details of this yet
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Since the demo is limited to april, i dont have to take into account as many variables like Amn
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Saturday: Early Afternoon
- Ryuji: absent
- Haru: School Rooftop(not raining)
- Takemi: Clinic
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Saturday: Late Afternoon
- Ryuji: absent
- Haru: absent
- Takemk: Clinic
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Sunday: Morning
- Ryuji: absent
- Haru: absent
- Takemi: Clinic
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Sunday: Early Afternoon
- Ryuji: Arcade
- Haru: absent
- Takemi: Clinic
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Sunday: Late Afternoon
- Ryuji: absent
- Haru: absent
- Takemi: Clinic
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Sunday: Evening
- Takemi: Busy(from peoeple trying to get off of work by calling in sick)
Makes me wonder if a perk for the takemi confidant could be getting a 'sick day' on mondays? That way you get 3 time slots instead, the doswnside beinf that you cant visit school for the confidants that day, and takemi wont hangout with you because 'youre too sick to my trials', so itll be mostly for catching up with reading and increasing stats. (Also, no work on that day)
Also i have to also implement a way to avoid hanging out with the same person more than once on the aame day...
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Now i wonder what the culture is in japan about sick days
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as someone that watched the first season of JJK || for nobara, is it even worth it to continue watching? because... yknow||
i heard praises of handling female characters well and like, its was fine. then i heard of it getting worse
uncut depot
Now i wonder what the culture is in japan about sick days
i mean. i assume they exist but also maybe look up the word karoshi if you dont know it
fresh mulch
yeah i do doubt that jonkle at the start is in a good position to be taking sick leaves
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i wonder, should SIU guy have any bigger of a role or he's just fine being le evil red herring
jovial turret
He should give even more useless plot exposition
And make his scenes unskippable
And add 5x as many of them just to piss off ocean 
fresh mulch
funny, his first scene right after you escape the kamoshida dungeon for the first time before going to the school for the first time(a bit too early tbh), i substituted with a scene showing ann being troubled
he's just gone there
uncut depot
as a srs answer, i think its fine if he stays a minor character who informs saes issues by being her shitty boss. the issue is that the vast majority of events hes in exist for no reason except to overexplain the conspiracys actions, even though itd be more interesting if you found that info out when the pts found out
i guess you could expand on him but im not sure what one would even add
fresh mulch
give him a palace for tax evasion B)
mellow pecan
i wonder, should SIU guy have any bigger of a role or he's just fine being le ev...
He and Shido are doomed toxic old man yaoi.
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im pretty sure this 'fictional' voter did the same on another yuri 🤨
terse shadowBOT
@junior smelt lets fucking go 
junior smelt
im pretty sure this 'fictional' voter did the same on another yuri 🤨
Yeah they did it on the 1st gay makoto mod too. Maybe a salty shumako fan lol
junior smelt
<@206818686064001024> lets fucking go <:yuri:1461117164797825157>
Thank youuuu
fresh mulch
Yeah they did it on the 1st gay makoto mod too. Maybe a salty shumako fan lol
are they a shumako fan or just homophobe? pick your poison ||both||
if shumako shippers are the basic bitches of p5, what are their p3 and p4 equivalent i wonder
junior smelt
Mitsuru x Akihiko is the most generic het ship I can imagine for P3
Chronic case of pair the spares just because theyre a guy and a girl
fresh mulch
who tf ships that
junior smelt
Thankfully few do
fresh mulch
i wonder how cursed het ships can get
... shinijixyukari
sorry for putting this out there
fresh mulch
this one is just worse because i can see someone shipping it unironically
junior smelt
Rip
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Hmmm thinking about it, makoto should have the higher chance to be acquainted enough with sumi pre pt...
While i do want to setup futamire sumitaba as the otp, i can also dabble a bit o sumakoto...
mellow pecan
if shumako shippers are the basic bitches of p5, what are their p3 and p4 equiva...
Yu with either Naoto or Yukiko.
fresh mulch
Idk chie seems to be the more basic waifu pick, but idk if shes the most romanceable or if chie fans arent just really loud
Yukiko def is the most basic bitch pick tho
Naoto is either based or cringe
Oh gosh for the love of gosh may i never have to live with a roommate, doubly, triply and quadruply so if they are a hetero guy. I'd rather defenestrate myself
A bit out of nowhere but the topic came up here
I like walking in skimpy pyjamas and i really dont wanna cover myself like a victorian woman in the summer
a female roommate may feel free to stare tho I mean what—
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Thank youuuu
Oh yeah who did the thumbnail was it you?
Not sure i remember this makoto art
junior smelt
Art is taken from the new AOA arts from the eternal return game collab
And the sumi recolored into kasumi by a friend
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Mr president another p5 collab has hit the market
junior smelt
One every week
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Makoto going all :D is a choice from them
junior smelt
She never smiles like that, it's so cute
fresh mulch
indeed. I am struggling to think of a situation that'd make her this giddy tho
junior smelt
Shadow slaughtering date in mementos with her gf
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Makoharu weekends
junior smelt
when theres not a single straight woman in the thieves
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i'll make sure the only straight one remaining is ryuji
I guess also mona
I should def work out the makoto sumi connection. Makoto is in the position for her to talk with sumi. She's a struggling honor student, why doesnt the prez try to help her out?
Im already sprinkling familiarity between her and haru, but in an acquaintance way. Specially before she becomes a PT she shouldnt be 'friends' with them, but after that when she opens up more i can start some makoto ship fueling building from the broader estabilished base im doing here
left hinge
i'll make sure the only straight one remaining is ryuji
The dude bro fr
fresh mulch
The dude bro fr
The lesbians' straight best friend
left hinge
The lesbians' straight best friend
Finally someone I can relate lmao
junior smelt
I should def work out the makoto sumi connection. Makoto is in the position for ...
That's a good point
fresh mulch
That's a good point
-# thats what she sa—
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The dude bro fr
There is actually something interesting i wanna explore with ryuji in this role
Like, it just wouldnt work the same if he was bi
The idea so far is for him to try to make sense of the ridiculously queer world he suddenly got into as one od the only cishet in there. It starts with an adrogynous girl he mistakes for a dude, and after learninf he still attempts to form a 'brotherhood' with Rei, because its simply easier for ryuji to see her as 'one of the guys' because of everything about her. He doesnt try to hit on you and he ends up showing discomfort when the other guys pair you two together; not because Rei is specifically a lesbian, but because he already sees her as one of the guys, so this idea feels wrong to him
And then comes ann who looks very stereotypically straight and she drops a goddamn nuclear missile of "i want to f**** shiho". Granted, outside of her control
I do want to use ryuji as the audience surrogate for the less aware and understanding of more queer complexities. He'll misunderstand, be corrected, and still be a bit of a buttmonkey
Gameplaywise im really eager to work with fox. His main thing will be incredibly balanced stats with a frail endurance, and a ridiculously expansive moveset that can basically give him a role in any team comp, instead of vanilla's simplistic sword + ice
He's an artist after all. He's adaptative
Anyway good night yall
The next weeks will take quite a bit of my morning times so the slos progress will stah ow
Dmeccikc xmdoc
Guck u can bsrelg stay awake
Nighy
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if shumako shippers are the basic bitches of p5, what are their p3 and p4 equiva...
I do not believe there is an equivalent to Shumako in P3/4
they cooked up something new for P5 😔
cuz like, idk I think the closest things P3/4 have are Akihiko Mitsuru and Yosuke Chie
but neither are comparable to Shumako imo
those are more like Ryuji Ann tbh
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but neither are comparable to Shumako imo
I mean even i can see something woth ryuji ann. Its even somewhat popular. Meanwhile yosuke chie is like junpei and yukari, should not even be conceived even as a joke
and even hetero bias aside, Akihiko mitsuru are incredibly bland specially because they both synergize better with other chars, like shinji and yukari
Shumako is not too dissimilar in that case. Makoto's most synergy with the mc is because he's the mc and she's in a dating sim
She works much better with ann, haru, heck even ryuji
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Am I weird for saying I think I see Ren as the only persona protagonist that wouldn't date anyone?
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If makoto had more friction woth the mc because of him being a problem child and she being the straightlaced no bullshit prez, then maybe it could be more interesting, but the game doesnt explore it
She just becomes passive pretty girl waifu which is in contrast to her characterization
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Am I weird for saying I think I see Ren as the only persona protagonist that wou...
Nah youre not weird. He's too obsessed with akechi obviously
If i put my hetero goggles on, i can only see the potential with sumi, futaba, or chihaya, and funnily enough, in all of them theres the big risk of the mc being abusive (the 3 of them are emotionally pretty vulnerable and relied/rely a lot on ren, and chihaya being an adult doesnt magically make her much wiser there. She was brainwashed into a MLM for crying out loud)
Ren doesnt exhude much skirt chaser aura tbh. His 'loner' shtick probably contributes to it
Out of all the chars tho, he's the way more likely for all the straight girls to be into, meanwhule yu looks like it for most men but he only really attracts girls like rise. Theres no excuse for anyone to be so obsessed woth fucking p3 makoto tho that guy would be easily ignored
Ren is: pretty, funny in subtle non overbearing ways, has 'i dont give a fuck about what others think of me' aura. If i was into boys i'd be all over him
Yu is very empathetic as a person if you get to know him and i can see his appeal(i heard hes way more charismatic and funny in the anime?) but his initial impression is of a 'hot alpha male stud' that men idolize and it may be my lesbian bias speaking but i dont get why youd fall at first sight for him. ig small towns have lower average of hot guys? Idk
And p3 makoto/minato is... Not even a wobby that gets girls sad for and want to dote him. Thatd be ken and don you dare make fun of my boy
Overall vey few are 100% receptive and friendly of p3makoto iirc? So that tracks. He's too edgy to be appealing
People tend to like him more as slinks go on. Same with yu. Jonkle as said before is the one that has everyone throwing themselves at his boots from the start tho
Girlkizzer boy ranking is wild
Yknow i should play portable femc route one day. The idea of dating these pixels id never go for irl sounds somewhat interesting at least
I wonder how much is the case with the straight men playing femc route
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I wonder how much is the case with the straight men playing femc route
i mean im not the straighest man
but i did play the male romance r&v thats about it.
i say there cute parts
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Yall got my taste in men before gta6 🤪
As you can see, i like vulnerability. Junpei almost won me over with the chidori part but hes still gross overall
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i mean im not the straighest man
but i did play the male romance r&v thats abou...
I wonder. In these cases is it like youre spectating them, youre projecting into the femc, youre projecting into the male love interest, or youre projecting into both?
hmmm yosuke i could see if i were to forcefem him 😈 😈 😈 😈
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I wonder. In these cases is it like youre spectating them, youre projecting into...
i guess more to spectate than projecting
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i always wonder how people usually consume romance
ig the ones projecting the most are going to be the worse ones in shipping wars
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ig the ones projecting the most are going to be the worse ones in shipping wars
yeah i never really project myself into a game even the like of gacha game mc
i only do for the funny respone think it like a the ghost possesing the charater for the funny
but for romance. im just reading for the ride
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gacha is designed for you to project into the mc at least, thats how they get so many devoted whales
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gacha is designed for you to project into the mc at least, thats how they get so...
right despite that there some gacha that actually make mc have its own story.
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Yall got my taste in men before gta6 🤪
That’s insane
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Yu is very empathetic as a person if you get to know him and i can see his appea...
(me only focusing on P4 here LMAO) but yu is definitely a very charismatic and empathetic person, he's just a really good guy. there's a few scenes in the anime that are played up for laughs so it feels ooc for him a bit (kings game) but I just see him as someone with a heart of gold.
the whole alpha male thing is something where I do not think it was really intended in the original P4, that's more of something that popped up with later games as his design changed (and tbf while I do like his original design, he looks good in the newer releases)
the manga is actually a really nice interpretation of his character too, I find it more compelling than the anime overall bc it focuses more on his loneliness
p3 Makoto is someone I personally hc as never really getting into a relationship with anyone. yukaris love for him in canon is either one sided or only briefly reciprocated.
he's kinda interesting with how he's written too bc the movies really play up the apathetic parts of him to give him a character arc but there's more to his character too that's shown more in the manga or spinoff games like Q
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(me only focusing on P4 here LMAO) but yu is definitely a very charismatic and e...
his external appearance is very 'alpha male' even in the original designs its just that he's not the charicature he looks like once you get to know him
its very fitting in a way
i had a friend in hs that looked a lot like yu actually. i initially assumed him to be one of those ™ but he was a nice friend at the time once we bonded enough
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his external appearance is very 'alpha male' even in the original designs its ju...
i read somewhere he was designed to look like a 'guard dog' and that explains a lot
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I wonder. In these cases is it like youre spectating them, youre projecting into...
I think when I played femc it felt like I was spectating a bit. I'm not a girl so I don't really feel the sense of (slightly) projecting into FEMC as I would with the male MCs. the male love interests are their own distinct fully written characters so I definitely felt more like an observer between (love interest) and FEMC, who I interpreted as her own character whose actions I was controlling
(now I know a lot of people who realized they were trans women from playing FEMC which I think is really cool and an underrated part of the way persona handles its protagonists)
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i read somewhere he was designed to look like a 'guard dog' and that explains a ...
yeah his original design was definitely meant to be more manly and less androgynous like Makoto. I have the P4 official design works so there's a blurb on his design but it's buried in boxes rn unfortunately. I will have to pull it out at some point I the near future
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thinking about it nanako was a great addition to humanize yu's softer edges more
yu: dedicated boywife that wont ever cheat on you
jonkle: bad boy player
makoto: man-whore
/j obvs, but pre reload makoto is a manwhore
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ik you're saying that probably bc of the forced romances (and this is a reason why forced romances suck lol) but yeah I just really can't see Makoto as caring to really date anyone lol. like honestly I can't see a single relationship that I fw for him, I see people gassing up like shuyuka for example and idk it's just not really it imo I don't feel like Makoto would actually do that
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I think when I played femc it felt like I was spectating a bit. I'm not a girl s...
interesting to see the perspective of guys when playing girls in visual novels. im used to projecting onto the male mcs myself because i didnt really have many options when it came to romancing girls. i wonder how gay men view the femc
also rule of thumb: if you have a female protagonist, someone's egg is going to crack from it. every time you make a femc you'll make the world more trans
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I like the lovers characters a lot (can you tell by my pfp) but romance wise I'm 50/50 on them bc
- tatsuya lisa is fine but P2's romances are very undercooked and frankly there's little room in the plot for them (they kinda push tatsuya maya anyways)
- makoto yukari is fine but as stated I can't see it being more than a short thing with not much commitment or one sided
- yu rise I fw actually. no notes
- joker ann is fine. I think it's overshadowed by joker akechi significantly and anns relationship with shiho but I can still see the dynamic working otherwise
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i bet thousands these gooner games with female mcs made at least few eggs crack (maybe because i keep seeing them in my f/f ao3 searches and they are often tagged 'trans female character')
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interesting to see the perspective of guys when playing girls in visual novels. ...
we need more femcs then clearly
yeah though like look, there's just a lot of male protagonists in video games lol. especially in a series like persona where the protagonists are semi self inserts
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I like the lovers characters a lot (can you tell by my pfp) but romance wise I'm...
lisa is so forced. do they do anything more interestign with her character?
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like romantically I don't really project but otherwise I do kinda get immersed the same way as with other persona games. it's cool to get that bit of different perspective, I even think bits of shitty writing like junpei's misogyny are really good too because it helps show like hey, FEMC has unique struggles she has to deal with, and it gives Junpei another side he has to work on (which he does in the game)
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ik you're saying that probably bc of the forced romances (and this is a reason w...
i wonder why makoto couldnt really have a commited relationship (joking aside, even if he could live forever i also dont see it)
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lisa is so forced. do they do anything more interestign with her character?
yes
she's one of my favorite p2 characters I think she's developed nicely
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have to finish it one day. one day
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but p2is just overall has a strong cast imo
like maybe Jun is a weak link compared to the others but he still has a lot of significance outside of his character interactions
lisa is kinda like rise where they are both low-key head over toes for the protagonist as one of their first impressions but then you play the game more and it's clear they have a lot more going on + they're genuine characters and not just waifu bait
(works better in P4 though imo just because P4 is all about hey, don't judge people purely based off first impressions)
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like romantically I don't really project but otherwise I do kinda get immersed t...
i am really glad they let junpei still be a little shit to the femc, but in a way that makes sense instead of being the same as with the male mc. like if you pay attention, you see the way he treats the femc with the way he treats the other girls in the male mc route, but now youre the one on the other end of it and hopefully some realise why yukari can be so 'bitchy' with him(bitchy is when woman talks or teases back)
granted i only played until the first boss(second if you count the into battle as a boss) then stopped years ago
i have to finish it eventually
but gosh its tiring being a female p3 fan. the fanbase will let junpei get away with so much garbage but the moment yukari calls anything out or gives him a bit of a taste of his own medicine people want to burn her at the stake
almost like real life!!!!
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I just try to ignore those parts of the fan base lol
I think it would be interesting for you though to see how more men feel about playing FEMC route. I feel like the two people who have offered their perspective aren't a great sample because for me I have been like. heavily in queer communities for a while now lol so I think my perspective is just skewed
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i have to finish it eventually
you have a lot of things to finish huh... lol
I have criticisms of Junpei I femc route but overall I see what they were going for. the thing I like is seeing that they intentionally made Junpei a misogynist to have him grow from that. I don't really like it when people are like, oh he sucks as a character and you shouldn't like him! because like that's an intentional part of his character where he grows and changes from it.
write a character as shitty intentionally and have them grow, and I generally will like that. it's when you have character flaws that are unaddressed where I'm like mmmmm
or at least if you're going to do that, don't make them out to be a good person
(my criticisms of Junpei in FEMC route are primarily pacing related to be clear I see what they were going for though)
man. every time I'm like. I should play persona again. it's been like 3 years since I last played a good mainline persona game
I need to do a P5 replay and stream that for my friend. I need to replay P4G before P4R drops. aaaaaa
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I just try to ignore those parts of the fan base lol
well its why i only hang around the p5modding chat now lol
say what you will of cringey p5 fans, but gosh the less toxic environments are so much more chill for a gay woman like me
the less toxic p3 parts can still annoy me. p4 is pretty whatever but whenever discourse comes im out
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I think it would be interesting for you though to see how more men feel about pl...
yeah i could tell honestly. some guys just give different vibes in which you can usually tell are anywhere between 'biggest ally', 'average empathetic person that may be a bit ignorant but means no harm', and 'raging bigot' (with a full spectrum between them obviously)
once i release the mod tho i'll end up seeing more... diverse examples, probably
i should remember to avoid advertising this as a difficulty mod if i can
it will attract those types i really dont want
but at the same time, only leaning into femc and story revamp will attract people not expecting the torture i'll put them through
so im at a crossroads
obviously you bring both points, but its hard to properly advertise the contrast
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the less toxic p3 parts can still annoy me. p4 is pretty whatever but whenever d...
dude the P4 fans are so chill rn
like genuinely I'm enjoying it while I can because when P4R drops I think it's gonna be the same shit as P3R
😭😭
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yeah just wait until revival
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like yes I get the discourse sucks but the thing is
the discourse is oftentimes started by P3/5 fans
who don't like P4
the actual P4 fans are super super chill rn because of the 3 mainline games that's the one that's most overshadowed rn
strong moat
yeah just wait until revival
don't remind me. 😔😔😔😔
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i suppose rn p4 would be at the best place
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after P4R drops it'll probably be P5 being chill again while the P3R and P4R fans fight over which game is better (mid off)
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p5 is full of gooners tho so it aint paradise anyway (also akechi and mona hate can get ridiculous)
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yeah i could tell honestly. some guys just give different vibes in which you can...
yeah exactly. I think as someone who's been in queer communities for a while now I'm definitely not representative of the viewpoints you're trying to see haha
the P4 stuff was really bad in like 2022 bc it was just constant P4 vs P5 discourse it was tiring
P4 was still my fav game at the time (and still is now) but the P3 community was super chill
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after P4R drops it'll probably be P5 being chill again while the P3R and P4R fan...
its like new releases that become the focus of outside discourse attracts awful actors because they wanna chime in too
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was really exciting when reload got announced bc we were all like omg look at these new designs and everything
with revival I don't think it'll be the same we've seen reload and we know it was low-key a bit disappointing (but people like it anyways so there's a lot of infighting)
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p4r is doomed to discourse tho. no matter the direction they take someone will be mad, and im not saying 'atlus removed transphobic joke from reload' levels because that one was a much more black and white thing
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I think the best course of action they have is to take a very conservative approach to adapting P4's writing
similar to what P3R base game did
they will probably relocalize Teddie
poor Teddie
there are a few changes I think are worth making regardless but it's small changes
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yeah it is less risky to keep most of the same(while fixing the shit) because the ones sticking around are used to not getting what they wished for anyway(yosukae romance) or are sane enough to understand some of their gripes are more headcanons than anything(naoto). appealing to online sensationalism will never work because detractors will not even play the game, be it from homophobes mad that you can kiss yosuke or people mad that stuff isn't explicitely queer enough.
not to both sideism here btw. queer people annoyed at not getting representation can get very annoying at its worse, but lets not pretend its equivalent to homophobes wanting to erase queernes
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they will probably relocalize Teddie
you mean the hot stud stuff?
i never really get what was the issue with that joke
his pervyness is pretty bad tho even if its supposed to be innocent(bad job at communicating that)
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https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-iono-pokemon-gym-leader-iono-yuri-i-love-yuri-gif-6891599090218689401
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terse shadowBOT
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I wonder. In these cases is it like youre spectating them, youre projecting into...
since the protag characterization is downplayed when they are in the protag role i usually experience them as just sort of a homunculus unless im willfully trying to build a vision of their character
like ill select options because they interest me and i want to see what happens and what i think the character would say doesnt factor in unless i actively think about it
wrt romance i just kinda pick a character i like as a gesture of liking them but i dont have the burning attraction that leads to making xReader fics, and its not really a vehicle for shipping either since again the protag's actual character is a background thing
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ik you're saying that probably bc of the forced romances (and this is a reason w...
i used to joke that doorkoto was the only one i was convinced i was straight due to the lack of platonic options lol, but now in the age of reload if i had to pick a ship ig itd be ryomako doomed yaoi
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yeah it is less risky to keep most of the same(while fixing the shit) because th...
yeah and truthfully like. we like persona 4 for what it is. I understand that it has issues and is not perfect but I still love it for what it is anyways. they can make changes but I want that stuff to feel like it makes sense and is in character otherwise it's not what I fell in love with.
there's a balance. persona 4 is a complete story and I would rather they try to be more sensitive/careful than go the full retcon route. (one example I can think of is that Naoto should not be made trans but she needs to have more agency in her arc, which would be a totally fine change imo)
(this is the same for persona 3 for example which is why many of the decisions made in the remake bug me)
but they kept it rather conservative with many of its writing changes, at least until episode aigis
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i never really get what was the issue with that joke
the issue is that the joke is completely misinterpreted and poorly communicated. it's not supposed to be pervy in the slightest
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personally i think bigender naoto would be very based actually though i think the more likely outcome is they still have naoto as a cis girl but are just less terfy about it
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there's a great video talking about it that recently dropped https://youtu.be/Yuj4O0z_PJg
and then another video I really need to rewatch that's part of the P4 analysis series https://youtu.be/bLDDbREQux8
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ladyvirgilia mentioned
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yesssss we love actually good persona YouTubers
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personally i think bigender naoto would be very based actually though i think th...
yeah I think the thing is: you'd be rewriting Naoto and they would just not be the same character anymore. for a remake I don't really like that I would rather they save that for a new game/character
I would prefer they try to preserve the good things about her character and touch up the stuff that is terfy lol
(the game was written in 2008 anyways I am willing to give them some leeway for the original writing because I still think it has a very good intended message, they just gotta make sure it doesn't come off as anti trans in the remake especially now)
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i think its just a safer option than having to do a retcon that would affect basically any game the p4 cast appears in lol
grand cipher
okay but what if naoto was the gay
Then rip kanji
strong moat
naoto canonically does not like kanji in that way so
golden fucks this up slightly but only slightly
grand cipher
Was it ever mentioned if kanji had a crush on her?
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i think its just a safer option than having to do a retcon that would affect bas...
yeah I'm all for better representation in writing. I respect P4 touching on such topics as directly as it does and I think more of that is great, just maybe do that with a new character in a new game)
(the funny side effect is that if p6 does this for example, p6 might be seen as a game that aged poorly 10-15 years later for similar reasons lmao)
jovial turret
Was it ever mentioned if kanji had a crush on her?
Isn’t it implied like every 5 seconds
strong moat
Was it ever mentioned if kanji had a crush on her?
kanji very explicitly has a crush on naoto as shown multiple times in the game lol
it's just also very one sided
grand cipher
he also has a crush when she's presenting as a boy
Not really I’d say.
He’s only like it as he sees dudes more chill and girls are loud and obnoxious.
fresh mulch
nah he wanted that twink bussy
strong moat
naotosexual
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naotosexual
how p4 discourse feels sometimes ngl
i hear more about people complaining about a certain type of naoto discourse than i actually see it actually debated beyond some stuff just being someone's headcanon. idk maybe i wasnt there at the time
simple knoll
She works much better with ann, haru, heck even ryuji
ryumako mentioned
simple knoll
"It's not about guys or chicks, I'm just scared shitless of being rejected" people forget this line
i'd say he's pansexual
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i'd say he's pansexual
i agree with the pre edit, he's panzexual
look at that plate 😩 💦
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"It's not about guys or chicks, I'm just scared shitless of being rejected" peop...
real...
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ryumako mentioned
harumako still better
now if ryuji was a girl... heck yeah i totally would see it
uptight class prez x delinquent yuri
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(the game was written in 2008 anyways I am willing to give them some leeway for ...
you mention specially now and like, it's so shocking seeing this shift where trans people are suddenly somehow this huge issue in the fabric of society(despite being like 1% or smth). not to say it wasnt awful for them before, but the moment i saw americans blaming trans people for why harris lost is when this insanity we are living in finally hit me. thankfully atlus lately is having a good track record on this, even if their bigger target demographic couldnt really care that much of like, the transphobic joke in p3. just being more aware on handling these topics goes a long way nowadays, they dont need trans representation. just some understanding is enough
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there's a great video talking about it that recently dropped https://youtu.be/Yu...
gonna have to watch these videos once i tackle p4
is it just me or p4 seems to be quite a big gap of understanding from western audiences?
ike, sure, p5 has a lot of japanese concepts but they more often than not translate into western culture
i mean, p4 in general is very japense. the whole izanagi/izanami plot, all the personas being related to the mythology with izanagi, etc. p5 is very deliberately 'western' in parts meanwhile
i wonder why
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is it just me or p4 seems to be quite a big gap of understanding from western au...
not just you. iirc the original releases of P4 had a little section in the manual to help explain Japanese terms and concepts
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'manual' i feel old
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i wonder how much of retro gaming is missed when you dont read the manuals
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i mean, p4 in general is very japense. the whole izanagi/izanami plot, all the p...
also this bit is funny because P5 has been stated to be a very Japanese game too. but you're right in that P5 appeals more to western audiences (no doubt why it blew up even past everything else it did)
P4 is probably the most Japanese game in the series though if that makes sense
strong moat
also this bit is funny because P5 has been stated to be a very Japanese game too...
((I mention "everything else it did" because a big draw of P5 in 2017 was its UI))
apparently P4G was also pretty popular too but truthfully I was 12 when that game dropped and very much nowhere near games like that. so I wouldn't know
fresh mulch
p5's japanese issues are still pretty relatable even to a non-anime watcher average john. they even use abrahamic mythology which relates to most of the western world
the main cast personas being popular characters from classic literature also help
strong moat
yes they indeed are
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((I mention "everything else it did" because a big draw of P5 in 2017 was its UI...
aside from the ui being uniquely dynamic, it also has a very consistent theming of paper cutouts to hit home the phantom thieves aspect (as to not leave identifiable handwriting behind, people cut out letters from magazine to make anonymous cards), and i dont need to tell anyone that the japanese phantom thieves are heavily inspired from gentlemen thieves in the west, the most popular japanese PT that inspired every other one being lupin iii. yknow, the 'grandson of arsene lupin'
also, jazz
p5 is a very good mix of western and japanese imo. it pulls the best of both in a way its widely relatable
it always funny seeing knockoff of p5 ui that keeps the 'stitched together' appearance. like, yknow why they did it like they did it, yes?
it doesnt fit if your theme is not similar to p5
mostly an issue with amateur devs so far. so i can cut some slack. but it does feel creatively bankrupt
strong moat
I think iirc the interview was like, oh we didn't design P5 to appeal to western audiences, it's a Japan focused game. but that's really cool that it did so well internationally
fresh mulch
they definitively were very western inspired regardless if they wanted to appeal or not tbf
junior smelt
I once saw someone describe p5's ost as jazz for people who afraid of jazz 😭
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junior smelt
Yukaham gets me weak
chrome crystal
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hm?
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fresh mulch
to pin that comic
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nvm got it lol
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nice
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For transparency: im currently working on a rom hack instead. Ive been having fun some fun learning my way around git and doing some good old programming, so im not particularly interested in stopping that to go back on working on this soon. However i am slowly getting a bigger itch to work on this again, so who knows. I may or may not go back soon. Also, for the mext weeks i'll be having to wake up abnormaly earlier to go out for medical stuff for like 2 hours, every day. So im not too full of energy rn
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plz im not the only one that read it as goth clown girlcock right ||
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For transparency: im currently working on a rom hack instead. Ive been having fu...
Yknow it may be good to keep this pinned meanwhile
Status: hiatus
When come back: idk ✨
I understand hunterxhunter's writer now
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For transparency: im currently working on a rom hack instead. Ive been having fu...
@strong moat sry but id already pinged ocean before can you pin this
sudden mist
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sorry I totally missed this
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Hello
I wonder, do we have morgana lines for makoto, haru, akechi, and sumi?
I wouldnt be surprised if we did
worthy sage
weary rapids
I wonder, do we have morgana lines for makoto, haru, akechi, and sumi?
Most likely yes for crash protection
fresh mulch
You dont need fully voiced lines for crash protection. In fact the game can easily handle just not posting any navi comment
weary rapids
They like to be extra
fresh mulch
If a game i crashing because it cant find a specific value, its out of bad programming for not including default handling
fresh mulch
They like to be extra
That is true
weary rapids
If a game i crashing because it cant find a specific value, its out of bad progr...
It’s Atlus we’re talking about here
fresh mulch
They have a lot of fully voiced lines not used whatsoever for all sorts of scenarios
weary rapids
Guess they don’t wanna take any chances with navs
uncut depot
nav lines are just a bmd (albeit one thats normally in the exe) and you can simply omit the messagescript function that calls a voiceline
weary rapids
Ocean the woman I wanna see does Akechi have lines for everyone else
uncut depot
yesnt, they recycle futaba lines as placeholders
fresh mulch
Ocean the woman I wanna see does Akechi have lines for everyone else
'once the man I'
'ocean the woman I'
Amazing autocorrect
uncut depot
lmao
weary rapids
Im dyslexic as hell
fresh mulch
nav lines are just a bmd (albeit one thats normally in the exe) and you can simp...
Wait theyre in the exe?
I thought i saw some navi lines amonst the other bmds
uncut depot
yea thats why you need cbt to unhardcode them
uncut depot
yea thats why you need cbt to unhardcode them
which is also why they cant be merged bc it basically has to re-add them as regular files
fresh mulch
Cbt strikes again
weary rapids
What doesnt need CBT anymore
fresh mulch
Here in CBT civilization, no one goes for exe editing
weary rapids
Cuz I can imagine it’s pain
uncut depot
but when are we getting unhardcoded usm subs smh
fresh mulch
usm subs? owo
weary rapids
The subs for the anime cutscenes are hardcoded too?
uncut depot
sadly yes
fresh mulch
Probably werent thinking outside of japanese then they realized they needed to localize and it was too late
Idk translators are probably given tools
uncut depot
they werent in ps4, they were part of the usm, but then they added more languages in multiplat
weary rapids
They weren’t?
uncut depot
fresh mulch
What about the other languages og p5 was localized in?
Also tf is a usm i can only think of ultra sadomasochist
weary rapids
And what was the storage for the PS3 version
uncut depot
fresh mulch
🫃
Only 45???? Im incredibly disappointed and my day is ruined
Can we get much higher
grand cipher
Banooga Ready!
- spongegar
fresh mulch
Banooga Ready!
- spongegar
https://youtu.be/KjUcqUWkp8o
had to google
fresh mulch
btw im still in love with this comic
the dynamic is sooo good and makes me wish it was a whole slowburn series
femc being a dork when trying to flirt with another girl is peak
def will be going in my p3p or p3r tyt
i hope i can still slowly work in this 'universe' while i do more productive stuff like making my own actually commercial video games. i am getting quite attached to this AU
because if i decide to only make my own games after doing all that i want with this project... i'll never get to make my own games. and will probably stay very poor
fresh mulch
fresh mulch
>experienced
well this does explain it
uncut depot
Only 45???? Im incredibly disappointed and my day is ruined
smh loki has factually been mpreg'd before
fresh mulch
smh loki has factually been mpreg'd before <:pensivekechi:766785714201034832>
~~by a very virile stallion called Svaðilfari mind you ~~
||im sorry||
fresh mulch
how did i end up here
jovial turret
https://tenor.com/view/horse-gif-24861618
im so hungry i could eat a
fresh mulch
hmmmm could be a good disadvantage theme
https://youtu.be/dT5Ck6bXBu8
the problem is the lyrics being very ep aigis to fit well
fresh mulch
good le night
completely offtopic(as all things here are), but was browing social media(my bad) and like... do guys still try to win the pain olympics of 'which is more painful, being kicked on the balls or literal childfuckingbirth'???
being kicked on the balls must be so bad. thank goodness this doesnt happen like, every month or smth. no way anyone could handle living like this amirite
left hinge
being kicked on the balls must be so bad. thank goodness this doesnt happen like...
Not fighting you on that but yea it is hurt but luckily not every month.
But for every kick/punch there is risk it getting raptured. (Which is possible)
fresh mulch
im aware it must be a bitch but like, why are guys getting kicked on the groin often enough for this to be a topic???
but yall have my sympathies, i can't imagine losing the ability to piss 😔||/j just in case||
fresh mulch
left hinge
im aware it must be a bitch but like, *why* are guys getting kicked on the groin...
Fight mostly lmao
fresh mulch
why tho
left hinge
Literally "low blow"
Das it
But I presume why kicked ball/punch with pregnancy comparison is cuz only happen few time.
fresh mulch
well one is because youre being a cunt and another is because of a cun—
left hinge
well one is because youre being a cunt and another is because of a cun—
Lmfao
Ain't wrong there
But also cuz alcohol but that different STORY
fresh mulch
gonna go to sleep but just wanna mention that through my life ive never seen a group complain as much when they are in pain as guys often do. yknow the stereotype of being all dramatic when catching a common cold? meanwhile a lot of girls will barely mention their cramps even if them cramps are a major bitch? yeah stereotypes are stereotypes and they wont ever apply to everyone in a big group, just saying that these dont seem very unfounded. i specially see this in older straight couples; the guy will sit on the sofa watching football, while the woman will be breaking her spine cleaning the house and powering through a lot of discomfort, stress, and even illnesses. dunno how much of this is more the culture where i live but seems like a rather widespread phenomeon still.
its interesting to think about why stereotypes are the way they are. i imagine that this must correlate with the discrepancy in how boys and girls are raised, as well as society™ shutting down women when they complain of something, but not when men do, which feels like might be specially important on why the ball-kick vs childbirth topic is ever brought up? like, the unique pain women go through taking the highlight away from men, and that makes some uncomfortable enough to attempt to one up them like it was a competition? i suppose guys are also often raised to be competitive? idk i can only theorize and throw shit at the wall until something clicks, but i dont think genetics play a factor in any of this, besides having a ball or uterus
admitedly, my perspective is also rather onesided here. just my observations
just realised this is very cis centric and i have no idea how to relate this to trans experiences
left hinge
funny enough for male and common cold is not stereotype i forgot what the cause but biologically and homones reason.
uncut depot
i have never seen ppl seriously argue this but thats because i dont leave my bubble of tumblr queers lmao
fresh mulch
funny enough for male and common cold is not stereotype i forgot what the cause ...
have they tried catching the common heat instead? are they stupice?
left hinge
i have never seen ppl seriously argue this but thats because i dont leave my bub...
yeah most guy that i know that make these "joke" are more satirical than anything
left hinge
have they tried catching the common heat instead? are they stupice?
thats called living in SEA
fresh mulch
yeah most guy that i know that make these "joke" are more satirical than anythin...
from my observations when it comes to IRL its not really 'woe is me we have it so much worse' but more like 'but kick on the balls is very bad too', just more of a silly comment i sometimes roll my eyes. but social media does make wars out of dumb stuff
left hinge
from my observations when it comes to IRL its not really 'woe is me we have it s...
thats why never take social media overly serious
uncut depot
social media is basically engineered so that ragebait gets the most eyeballs so you kinda go in expecting stupid shit
fresh mulch
i do think theres a wider phenomenon about the discrepancy in how men and women 'broadcast' pain so to speak. altho im not nearly knowledgeble enough about it to put into words with certainty. just that i see this happen often where i live, specially when it comes to housewives and their husbands
left hinge
Men only broadcast pain as a joke most time cuz they can't be seen as "weak" that's why some people don't take men mental health to serious either.
But then again mental health is also effected by who is around you.
left hinge
social media is basically engineered so that ragebait gets the most eyeballs so ...
I mean why u think X pay people with blue check lmao
fresh mulch
wait i lost the plot do you pay for blue or blue pays you
uncut depot
guys in the west, in my observation of video essays by trans breadtubers, are generally bullied into either bottling pain or expressing it as anger lest they be seen as a pussy
left hinge
wait i lost the plot do you pay for blue or blue pays you
Both
U pay for subscription
They pay u for the engagement u have on that month
left hinge
guys in the west, in my observation ~~of video essays by trans breadtubers~~, ar...
Not just west.
East also especially asia
fresh mulch
guys in the west, in my observation ~~of video essays by trans breadtubers~~, ar...
thats the thing, in theory men should rarely be showing their weaknesses and stuff, and when they do they lash out angrily to cover up for it. and while that is often the case, not everything seems to neatly fall into this logic. i suppose its very culture dependant. anecdotaly, but i see mom (and many other housewives and housemaids)absolutely wrecking herself and her body to keep the house clean, and while she does obviously complain about the pain she gets from overexterting herself, she does it anyway because its kinda what she does. meanwhile my dad is basically a turtle that needs help getting up constantly. i notice these older guys will take pride in knowing how to use tools and do the construction and tinkering work tho when they arent watching tv. you need help putting up something in the living room? oh your mom's friend's husband can do that. idk i guess i dont have much more theorizing here, just observations for the sake of it at this point. its fun yapping
godammit i have to sleep gn
uncut depot
thats the thing, in theory men should rarely be showing their weaknesses and stu...
well yea cus all sorts of contradictory beliefs fall under the purview of sexism
fresh mulch
weary rapids
You have that name for a reason
fresh mulch
Ngl i keep forgetting he exists, and so does the fandom apparently. Fecking tierno is more memorable 😭
fresh mulch
Yknow, atlus may have some truly baffling decisions from time to time
But theyll never be topped by gamefreak when it comes to utter insanity
Its like pokemon devs are in their own little bubble away from basic videogame conventions
Its fascinating truly
Battle of floofs
Whats up with gamefreak's human designers and making the absolute best girls in history of gaming just by their design???(Characterwise many fall flat tho because of the games theyre in 💀 )
Persona on the other hand is still great at making great human designs while also giving them a lot of depth and personality, because of the more visual novel approach
But persona doesnt have cynthia, lusamine, iono, hilda—
Oh yeah then theres SMT
The characters are alright
SMT5 has great girls but most of them arent human
We have isabeau in 4
Then thats it
(forgets 4a because never played)
mellow pecan
But theyll never be topped by gamefreak when it comes to utter insanity
Fairly certain Challenge Mode is actually easier than Normal Mode, as despite the level increase, the stats are the same as Normal Mode, with the added levels only giving extra EXP and money.
fresh mulch
Yup this notion became popular once a ytber covered it
But im playing a Blaze Black 2 Redux and there challegende mode is actually a challengd
GF try to not halfass everything challenge 🔥
Did you know that the post content of BW2, the black city and white forest, depend on how quickly you beat the main game? So if you speedran it youll get the most stuff, and if you took your time(title drop), you get like no shit
Someone hand these guys some game design courses or smth good lord 😭
Say what you will about nintendo being evil, they are master class in game design, usually. the fact they barely touch on this major ip to add the nintendo seal of quality to these games is baffling. Must be some contract stuff? They usually do care about their image when it comes to quality
I never truly ranted about pokemon here before(extensively). Its funny that im doing so on one of my favorite ones (bw2), because even the best are absolute messes IMO
One day i wanna make a list of the release date of every mainline pokemon game and compare to other games that launched at the same time. It truly puts into perspective how underwhelming the seried have been imo. This only became notable enough on the switch to switch tho(haha), because then they are directly competing with other major console games instead of their handheld rpg bubble
fresh mulch
Rant aside. vote, gays
fresh mulch
(to give credit where its due: RBY and GSC are ridiculously impressive games for their time. They were actually breaking barriers with hardware limits. Sure the games are a bit doodoo but gosh are theg impressive gameboy games. They havent really pushed any other console to such extremes since then tho, unless you count overheating your switch by riding a motorcycle monster that spawns thousands of particles)
fresh mulch
im a bit annoyed at this whole "sometimes the curtains are fucking blue" thing. i understand teachers enforcing a specific curriculum that punishes you for not getting the 'true meaning', but thats not the issue with curtains being blue, thats you education system that is shit
one thing people should be aware of is that
1 - computers aren't capable of true randomness
2 - few things in this universe are truly random
3 - our brains are literally fleshy computers, or its more apt to say that computers are rock brains
4 - our brains are incredibly not random. just like fire does not spontaneously combust out of thin air, humans dont come up with ideas out of thin air--there is always a cause you could trace back to for even the most outlandish stuff you see, and that's because our brains are not built for randomness, there was no natural advantage with this and even if there was, it would be way too unlikely if not outright impossible for evolution to end up making a truly random organism
with all that in mind, why are the curtains blue? it simply depends. are you focusing on authorial intent or are you also considering subconscious decisions authors make all the time? or maybe you go yolo and murder the author in cold fucking blood because you think the story is no longer theirs alone, but also in a way yours?
maybe the author uses the blue curtains to symbolize the melancholic, closed state of the people in the room, unable to see the brighter outside for the sad and weirdly comforting blue in which envelops their way out of it--idk, potentially the brightness of the sun, and its safer to keep the curtains closed than to be blinded by what may be healthier for you in the long run, but at that moment, it only brings you pain, a veil of ignorance, depression, comfort.
maybe its just to set a mood where the blue curtains makes the reader relaxed so they know, subconsciously, that the place is safe, which can then be used very effectively in contrast when proven wrong by the new, dark red bloodshed that is about to occur.
but what if the author didnt mean any of this shit? well, could i be wrong in this interpretation because the author didnt specifically think of that? maybe the curtains as intended are blue just to give texture to a scene, but the texure it gives will be different than a red curtain, just like, yknow, painting? even if the author didnt intent, can we be sure that the color blue wasnt a motivator behind a feeling the author couldnt put into words and/or didnt notice themselves? just because the author didnt think of applying something in such way, can we for sure say they didnt actually intent this somewhat subconcsiously, and even they are blind to it?
and what if the author chose blue curtains to take the mick out of this joke? well thats clearly a purposeful use of it then. its subversion/parody/meta etc
the point is, even the most banal decisions will have something leading to them. a character eating lasagna could just be because thats what the author recently ate, or its a 'good food' they thought of because they liked lasagna, maybe lasagna was their childhood food made by their now dead grandma, and even if they dont realise, the nostalgia comes back in the most random of moments. maybe they are writing with a lot of cat characters and subconsciously lasagna will be brought up because of garfield's astronomical cultural impact in the minds of basically everyone. so even if a choice has no purpose in the story itself, the brain needs something to pull from. just like energy it cant make shit out of nothing, it needs a cause for its effect like everything in the universe
smth smth just like everything else in the universe, our brains cant make things out of nothing. creativity is just stitching our accumulated knowledge/experiences in interesting ways, often without us realising
steep dew
what is even going on, in this chat
fresh mulch
its tuesday. welcome
if its not posting yuri, its discussing(or rambling) about game design or writing
fresh mulch
btw, this relates back to the jungian concepts of consciousness used throught the persona series. while the literal idea is absolutely nonsensical in a way it sounds like we are wireless connected somehow, it is not too far fetched from the truth. the culture we are raised in will always influence the way we see the world(be it following it, or questioning it. counter-culture is a phenomenon because we are influenced by culture), with the culture providing the bedrock in which our brains iterate upon--often mixing in other cultures too along the way, cultural osmosis if you will. what is culture? groups of humans sharing ideas, we are social animals after all. some stuff is through instinct(like fear of darkness), but plenty are enforced by the adults around us in our formative years, and even as an adult, many will end up accepting stuff the way it is around them, since its part of our instinct to strengthen the collective; this is basically how humans transmit culture. to counter jung a bit, something like multiple 'gods of sun' being everywhere despite cultures not connecting(they often surprisingly do funnily enough. but lets think of different continents here, before boats could sail oceans) is just because our brains put great importance in the big ass bright fire ball that comes and go, illuminating threats and growing crops. sun = safe. you often end up making a deity out of this thing you dont comprehend, and you revere it when it seems to help you. same with any other common enough concept necessary for survival. ever heard of convergent evolution? same thing, some ideas/traits are just too good/useful to not end up being adopted in more than one place
i really like the collective unconsciousness as an idea because it totally is a thing that exists and happens all the time. it is a huge part of being human. jung is just wrong on his conclusion
i really need to make a tumblr to dump my ramblings huh
simple knoll
tumblr would love you
fresh mulch
simple knoll
?????
fresh mulch
exhibit a and b
fresh mulch
tumblr would love you
is this a compliment
fresh mulch
btw, if i may: legs are great but they take your eyes away from the rest of the girl. they def are important for overall definition and sillhouette, but still. meanwhile, shoulders can help framing the face better and make a smoother connection from face to bosom--and exposed shoulders are hot af i rest my goddamn case
uncut depot
what is even going on, in this chat <:dark:1170927971037610064>
yeah the whole rant is just rly out of pocket lol
cloud dew
Shoulders if I had to pick
But like, both are peak to me
Also making a bisexual person like myself choose between 2 options, smh /j
fresh mulch
yeah the whole rant is just rly out of pocket lol
what constitutes as in or out of pocket, truly?
with my goal here being working on the writing of a series heavily focused on symbolism, this, funnily enough, is very on theme. but really i just like sharing my thoughts and hearing what others think, what other perspectives they could contribute
fresh mulch
Shoulders if I had to pick
But like, both are peak to me
~~Also making a bisexua...
sorry but you cant have cake and melons too. its one or the other smh /j
imo the best part of a woman is firstly the feet her face, then the shoulders and clavicle, then the breasts, then the spine, then the belly, then the hips, then the legs, then the ankles, then lastly the feet(obviously)
fresh mulch
i really need to make a tumblr to dump my ramblings huh
(i would really appreciate if anyone wanted to entertain my thoughts, so maybe thatd be a better medium to get more opinions on than in a small thread of a niche mod in a niche modding discord)