[P5R PC] Take Your Time | [FEMC & Yuri] Story and Gameplay Overhaul

[fresh mulch]

i might move some bgm around for night/rain etc

seasons too honestly

... sigh

ig i'll be converting all my finis to femulator

[fresh mulch]

muuuch better and cleaner

[fresh mulch]

why am i going out of my way to disable and enable dashing depending on the maps...

your non dashing speed is still very fast anyway, so this doesnt affect that much

i just like the extra detail of not being able to run on school like a maniac for example

unfortunately i didnt find anything on the files that modmenu uses that is automatically called either every frame or on every map load, only in each field's individual init...

so yeah, for most fields that make sense, i'll have to implement this logic. even if they are fields that allow dashing, since i need to toggle it back (teleportation, which is still possible, also means i cant really cheap out and only apply this logic to fields adjacent to the one i'm disabling the dash)

yipee...

[fresh mulch]

an example of what im talking about

im holding dash all the time here

https://tenor.com/view/futaba-futaba-sakura-persona-5-persona-5-royal-navi-gif-7985748313703476261

relatable

[grand cipher]

I mean Joker is considered a maniac by his peers so I'm sure he don't care

[fresh mulch]

joker still wears fake glasses to look unassuming no?

now this makes me wonder if rei should wear fake or real glasses

the thing is that unlike ren, she doesnt really dress to blend in much

since... you know, girl with boy clothes

also, TIL that you still get the overheard school gossip in the station close to school

like it makes sense but i'd expect to have a mix of adults too(i say this for an area that most people will see for less than an entire minute total across multiple playthroughs...)

[fresh mulch]

wasnt there a better way to localise this?

what a mouthful

[jovial turret]

gonna get smited for saying this but joker has an actual personality now?

W

[fresh mulch]

i mean, joker always had some personality, but still, its kinda hard not to with a femc like her

yknow, there's something quite funny about in the story okumura's death tanking support for the phantom thieves. but years later irl, we have luigi who got quite the support

tbf, a healthcare ceo compared to a fast food ceo is quite some orders of magnitude

(did japan react to this? i heard of support in korean tiktok or smth like that at least)

bruh i cant find cat gifs without some ai

[strong moat]

I don't know that I would've worded it toooooo differently tbh I think it's fine!

[fresh mulch]

i guess i'd shorten to 'criminal'

well we have one(1) instance of that

[grand cipher]

woman with camera.

ohya??

[fresh mulch]

no, this is generic

its for background chatter

[fresh mulch]

i love the "i prefer to avoid people with criminal records" voiceline with a valley girl accent that plays around the school

its just so weird

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/mizuki-akiyama-mizuki-akiyama-project-sekai-prosekai-gif-4414436084346921201

i'll be spending the next few hours rewriting the peanut gallery dialogue. yay.

[fresh mulch]

i swear this is in vanilla i didnt write this

[fresh mulch]

im halfway there but its getting late. tomorrow i continue

gn

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chuni-sleep-gif-20108376

[jovial turret]

from the small bits of the show ive seen its a little better there but in the games he's a nothingburger

and funnily enough the first time I played this I was like "wow these villains suck, they're so cartoonishly evil nobody would actually do that irl"

hahahahaha

little did I know

[fresh mulch]

Yeahh I fear that media warped people's view in what a bad person often looks like, in an attempt to be 'deep' and not 'cartoonishly evil'. With this being a common enough criticism of the game where all the villains are directly inspired by irl cases...

The moment when shido is less cartoonishly evil than a certain political figure rn

Gosh i love waking up early...

[fresh mulch]

😭

[fresh mulch]

im almost freeee

[fresh mulch]

btw its kind of weird how the public in the game turned on shido the moment after he confessed, which was right after he was threatened by a group whose methods look suspiciously like brainwashing. (in general, there's a weird lack of suspicion on possible brainwashing in general honestly. how can you be so trusting that the confessions are actually real?)

i say this because figures like shido irl have very dedicated bases that kind of interpret reality in the way that's most convenient for their beliefs. granted, even if they were very vehemently insisting that shido is innocent, its not like the guy could still lead them anyway, but i would indeed think that the support for his ideas or party would not instantly drop like it does in the game lmao

basically: shido sold them an easy solution to their problems, and him confessing does not give the people an alternative solution to their problems for them to drop it all so quickly
we do see yaldy filling the shido-shaped hole, but inbetween shido's confession and yaldy there should still be more denial and conspiracies in favor of shido

i get the intent of showing that the people are easily swayed by the new big narrative and dont think for themselves and all, but it still feels too wishywashy even for the average person

if anything, i'd say that thinking 'the masses' are wishywashy is just... very wrong

humans are very defensive to change, specially change of the core identity they have built

funnily enough, strikers does the 'sheep' idea much better, because the ai does give the people very easy solutions to any of their problems, which makes such a manipulation much more feasible(still very unrealistic but the idea works better imo)

thinking about it, maruki didnt even need to manipulate mementos in the first place to get support, although his idea can only work if literally everyone is on board

https://tenor.com/view/yuri-nation-gif-3423134153492220052

[fresh mulch]

OMG ITS INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S DAY

i love women

[mellow pecan]

I'd post Jocat's I Like Girls song but that might be to het for this thread.

[fresh mulch]

https://youtu.be/ta_myupIJm0

oh thank god yona saves the loop data on cache or smth

dont have to keep it in some notepad or retime it every time

very spacious closet

room for two

btw some of the whisper dialogue

[mellow pecan]

In that case...

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-hes-got-a-true-no-no-hes-got-a-point-adachi-persona-persona-4-gif-3813445649177433396

[fresh mulch]

hmmm what could be a good bgm for leblanc...

beneath the mask does already work, but i kinda wanna try other music whenever possible (i've been playing this game for almost a decade by now )

[strong moat]

to be honest I do still feel that the way P5's villains are written makes them feel comically evil. there is a slight explanation for that because we largely see their shadows which seem to be written as comically evil; I think for example when you look at kamoshida we see enough of his non shadow self that he does become a pretty good villain (that and it's a grounded premise). I think for example when you look at Madarame, I personally can't take him seriously because he just keeps bringing up more and more bad things he does and it really feels like the game is trying to make sure you know you shouldn't like him lol

just bc P5's villains are based on real people doesn't mean they aren't written somewhat poorly

[strong moat]

what? people don't turn on shido after he receives his change of heart, many people keep supporting him. that's why the phantom thieves ultimately go into mementos on 12/24, to figure out why that's the case
now I think there is something to be said about the change of heart process and how it is written. and how no one really does try to claim that hey it's brainwashing or anything. and the way it presents the message of people not reallyyyyy thinking for themselves (but honestly I think P5 nailed that one pretty well there, I've learned there are just so many people who don't actually pay attention until it directly affects them)

[fresh mulch]

im not saying they arent written poorly, they kinda are still

[fresh mulch]

honestly, i wouldnt be remembering the specifics rn. but at least while im going through the files, the npc dialogue seem to be pretty ready to move on from him. as i said, the ideas do remain and yaldy takes shido's place, but i think that in reality there'd be way more of a denial about shido's confession

unless that does happen and i just dont remember

im also def not saying people often think for themselves, they really dont. its just that other people think for them instead, and there would be a strong narrative of brainwashing or something similar pushed by them that many pro shido people would follow

[fresh mulch]

i'd like to try to fix this framing issue, but that'd be kinda difficult for kaneshiro

hmmmmm for kaneshiro, i can dig deeper into the whole 'targetting' students angle. it all kinda gets resolved almost instantly, when it would be interesting to see the yakuza's nefarious antics affecting us or people close to us. the way the game puts these personal stakes feels so random, when they have their whole setup with what the yakuza is literally doing to other students, which we could be using instead

that should help with grounding the scenario for the player at least

personally i wouldnt need a personal reason to target kaneshiro, because like... he's the kingpin of a mafia, which might i add also exploits and traffics teenagers

but narratively it'd def help the story's presentation of the villain and topic

[fresh mulch]

the game only does that to a random portraitless npc

at least madarame's old pupil had a portrait, which i think actually helped that a lot

[jovial turret]

Oh also while we’re on the topic

Could you add back the unused will seed cutscenes for each of the rulers if you’d think they’d fit

[fresh mulch]

i have mentioned quite a few times i'll be adding them, not just unused but completely new ones as well

in fact i might even make completely new events anyway instead of porting unused stuff. depends on what my writer brain feels

[jovial turret]

Oh sick

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/depression-mizuki-mizuki-akiyama-project-sekai-pjsekai-gif-25279190

[strong moat]

I do believe that is what happens. they end up wanting to move on from him after yaldabaoth is defeated, with 50% of the population not believing the phantom thieves are real

[strong moat]

I don't remember if they really show it beforehand either lol, if not then it really is an issue that just pops up and then is resolved

[mellow pecan]

The Madarame one's at least should change due to the Yusuke mother reveal happening too early.

[uncut depot]

this literally isnt true you literally had to go to depths because people still wanted to believe in him

[uncut depot]

kaneshiro is not yakuza

he is hangure, a category of less rigidly organized crime that sprung up in the power vacuum created when yakuza were cracked down on in the 90s

(the less rigid structure allows them to loophole out of anti-yakuza laws)

[simple knoll]

i was gonna say literally the whole point was that the public itself was distorted lol

[strong moat]

they go into mementos to change the public's heart

they also don't really dwell much on it but i guess when you're changing the heart of the entire public using supernatural means, it's kinda whatever

[grand cipher]

strange how mementos is everyone in the worlds palace, but we really only see people in Tokyo.

[uncut depot]

tbf its not often that the pts get to leave tokyo

[uncut depot]

makoto even compares it to being in a palace in the scene where the gang commits to going to depths

[fresh mulch]

yall literally dont read what im even saying

[fresh mulch]

the dialogue that i have been seeing in the files is about "so shido was not good? who will replace him?" and my point is that you'd expect for the people to not quickly believe in the confession in the first place

https://tenor.com/view/джона-хилл-jonah-hill-facepalm-рука-лицо-долоня-обличчя-gif-7167197686338732060

my blood pressure is 5% higher

[fresh mulch]

i can see why the localization didnt use the specific term but its still a shame

my fucking point so yall can understand: i dont fucking remember the specifics, but what ive been seeing while messing with the files is them asking for someone other than shido. im NOT DISPUTING THAT GOSH

im saying that people like him have very loyal bases, and there's a lack of conspiracies and defending him

[fresh mulch]

i know. its what im saying too.

[simple knoll]

you underestimate how dumb and gullible people can be

people are so quick to believe what the ysee on the news

[fresh mulch]

??? THATS EXACTLY WHY

im not understimating, im literally saying that they'd be even dumber

its like yall read 25% of the messages relating to what im talking about

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tired-sleepy-coffee-coffee-cup-gif-1633875005663565880

[royal sage]

the main point im seeing here is the public is saying "ok shido was bad but who else do we have?"

he won literally everything up to that point

[fresh mulch]

thats basically what they say in the whisper dialogues at least

the overhearing ones

[grand cipher]

what kinda coffee exactly?

[fresh mulch]

any honestly

i'd even take one from the previous morning at this point

[royal sage]

i dont think the people are being guillible theyre basically stuck between a rock with shido or having someone they didnt choose take his place being a very hard place to settle

and admitting theres a group of people manipulating peoples hearts is also a tough pill to swallow

[fresh mulch]

yeah, i said that ultimately whether they defend him or not, shido is unable to lead anyway because of the change of heart, so they are trying to find someone else, that one is yaldy

[fresh mulch]

im pretty sure 90% of the people would see 'steal one's heart' and think its a metaphor for brainwashing or blackmail. i'd be one of those people

blackmail in this case is a bit harder, since their life is already ruined if they come clean anyway

can always threaten someone ig

btw why no one mentions the black goo thing from the breakdowns? is it just a normal thing there?

[royal sage]

i think people assume its blood

[fresh mulch]

i'd say bile but that comes out of the eyes too...

[royal sage]

but also its possible that we see the goo because we're aware of the metaverse, but what the public sees is that they roll their eyes back and freeze up

which would look like a seizure

[uncut depot]

and i distinctly recall the opposite, they crash out for like a day and then the conspiracy boots up the propaganda machine and theyre convinced that nah, hell be fine just give him a bit

[fresh mulch]

i remember that now, i think

i stand corrected then

[fresh mulch]

drank coffee, headache is better now. dont ask me how that works

[uncut depot]

not me remembering that yaldy fic i swear ill totally write someday, and how im still kinda debating what precisely is going on in the fic re:that

[fresh mulch]

gosh my eyes hurt, my head hurts...

what was i even gonna do next again

right, my genius ass decided it was a great idea to have a dash on or off toggle depending on the field, for every playable field

[grand cipher]

Butch, being serious.

Take a break. It's not good for you to constantly be doing this when your not in the mood for it.

Your mod can live without work for a bit

[fresh mulch]

i did, i was just playing minceraft

[grand cipher]

good ol minceraft.

too bad I got bored of that game real quick. ;-;

[fresh mulch]

its vanilla gameplay is actually good nowadays, so im coming back i think

[grand cipher]

My main thing I wanna do in it is build, but since I'm in survival I need a ton of materials. the time to get that just makes me quit

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah i also have to find a good theme for leblanc

since customers being there will prevent activities in the lower floor, and you cant get rid of them, having a separate theme for an 'occupied' leblanc would be good to have functionwise

[fresh mulch]

shibuya and school are done. honestly its just like three more places this wont take long

wait what

can you enter that

[uncut depot]

only in the movie event but yes

[fresh mulch]

i dont remember visiting this theater at all. is it after you finish that quest about the old couple that own it or smth like that?

[uncut depot]

yea

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-cat-exploding-exploding-gif-1660358086204318095

[uncut depot]

thinking about it lmao why is it as late an unlock as it is. the later in the game you are the less likely you are to need social stats

[fresh mulch]

im still confused why we can physically visit the arcade. ryuji could hang out next to beef bowl or smth, and akihabara has another arcade but with actual stuff to do

[fresh mulch]

oh gosh i think im done

[grand cipher]

man your mod with just kamoshida alone is 40x better then mine. im jelly

I really am

[fresh mulch]

me walking around with the run button held down to test the dash restrictions

theres barely any difference this wasnt worth it 💀

oh well might as well keep it

[grand cipher]

late afternoon? How are you not in school

[fresh mulch]

i removed 'after school' because im gonna have saturdays have two afternoon periods

saturday ends early here

https://tenor.com/view/yuri-doki-doki-literature-club-dance-dancing-cute-gif-9046800918720022552

[fresh mulch]

thanks B)

i wouldnt know if its better or not tho (and i wouldnt say this is better than anything. not because it isnt awesome, but because having a metric for this feels wrong)

[grand cipher]

If you've seen p5 modding chat, mod sharing or the little info in my project tab, you'll know it's better.

[fresh mulch]

counterpoint: someone that doesnt like yuri wouldnt think too highly here

[grand cipher]

mines basically a baby copycat Reimagined

[fresh mulch]

i havent played any overhaul mods really (i only did one modded playthrough, and it was my first p5 pllaythrough on pc), so i wouldnt know much

[grand cipher]

trust me, yours makes mine look like a fucking pebble

[fresh mulch]

no

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-doge-gif-24837098

[grand cipher]

it's the truth.

Mine right now is just bosses but changed, and a few changed accessories/skills, and dlc personas

[fresh mulch]

sounds better if i wanted something that doesnt introduce a lesbian polycule

[grand cipher]

nah mate I think you got a good concept and you should keep it going

[fresh mulch]

i know im not the one needing to be encouraged here

petition: self deprecation should become cringe

im awesome im awesome im awesome

[grand cipher]

if thats directed to me, it's not that.

[fresh mulch]

gosh my eyes hurt...

[grand cipher]

Her palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy There's vomit on her sweater already, mom's spaghetti

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-goodmorning-enel-enel-one-piece-goodmorning-enel-gif-9736200145088667722

[uncut depot]

thats a them problem

[fresh mulch]

there must be a flag i can use to toggle this off, since this isnt here before you have free time

[grand cipher]

that reminds me....

in Reloaded, your actually locked out of online mode if you do intro skip, wonder if it'll be possible to re-add it

[fresh mulch]

i'll allow quick travel through the phone messages, but they will also be committal as a trade off (i also wanna make it so you cant keep calling for meetings in the same day. this doesnt change much tho lol)

[grand cipher]

what about make it so if you constantly call meetings on the same day, your teammates will get frustrated and refuse to meet after a certain amount of times, therefor lockinf you out of palace infiltration.

[fresh mulch]

it's more of an immersive detail, you can still use the pt meeting to teleport once at least

[simple knoll]

what's wrong with this...

oh ig the hideout button

[fresh mulch]

confidant also teleports you even if they havent given you a message

i think its only one random per day tho

[simple knoll]

tbh I never used that button I just quick traveled to the hideout

[simple knoll]

oh I had no idea

[fresh mulch]

yeah this button is very redundant lmao

[strong moat]

i don't really think this is necessary tbh

so this is what p3/4 had lunchtime invites for

but p5 wouldn't work the same way unless you were forced to check your phone in the afternoon to accept a hangout, and could not check it again after declining everyone

[fresh mulch]

you know when sometimes you accept an invite and the event starts right away instead of you appearing in front of them? its just that

i have no idea what makes this happen i mostly used r1

[strong moat]

i'm used to it mainly being the latter lol. but i don't think any particular change needs to be made to it as a "trade off"

[fresh mulch]

i dont like the forced'have plans?' thing because like, i wanna check first what i have available so i always decline them

[strong moat]

this is not well documented but in those games, if you accept a lunch time invite you will get increased social link points. it's to compensate for you being forced to commit to plans. if you wanted to do something like that i support it but otherwise i don't see the need

[simple knoll]

that happens if they're able to rank up. if not it just brings you to them

[fresh mulch]

yeah i havent used the phone nearly enough

should be more useful now at least

[strong moat]

personally i think with how it currently is handled in p5, all phone invites should just warp you to their location and not force you to commit. it's effectively a form of fast travel then

however, i also think the lunchtime invites of p3/4 were a good concept bc they rewarded you for committing early

[simple knoll]

I think it'd also be fun to add points for accepting their invite like in p3/4

[strong moat]

you can't do quests, buy items, etc, but then you get iirc a pretty substantial multiplier to correct answers

[simple knoll]

lmao

we said the same thing badically

[fresh mulch]

this should be pretty useful here actually, because ranking up will be a bitch

i do worry over this encouraging soft resetting tho

[strong moat]

well it can be interpreted two different ways lol

[strong moat]

why?

[simple knoll]

reloading a save to get the points

[fresh mulch]

because this will be crucial for hanging out due to the nature of confidant points here, so theres not much reason not to save at night, see who invites you, decline, and then load that save again now that you know what will happen or that you realize you have other stuff to do

[strong moat]

i mean i think the important thing is that you have to choose to sacrifice any other 0 time actions that day

[fresh mulch]

a problem is that they already dont mean much, but i'll think about it

[strong moat]

i dont think there's an issue with save scumming there and i don't think it's something to try to "solve" per say

I think the way I'd probably handle it is how P5 already handles Sunday hangouts

[fresh mulch]

i wanna reuse the lunch hangout thing anyway for points, so maybe i can incorporate it in some way

[strong moat]

you see all your options and you can choose which one you want to do, or decline all of them (the difference here being that you could just walk up to them again later and hang out but you don't get the bonus)

[fresh mulch]

def better than how p3 and 4 handled it with the 'one at a time' thing 🫠

[uncut depot]

you can turn it on through the options menu, no?

[grand cipher]

Can you?? I never saw it, or if I did thought it was something else

[strong moat]

p3/4 do also force you to commit to one person of course, makes that sense of commitment even higher

[fresh mulch]

like, have you friends ever heard of giving you time to check your schedule

[strong moat]

well

that's the thing

if they show up at all during lunch, you can hang out with them later that day. you can tell them, nah, let me check my schedule and get back to you

but if you drop everything and you're like yes! let's hang out! then you get the bonus

[fresh mulch]

they are so needy smh

[strong moat]

the save scumming is not an actual issue in practice. people get more annoyed over the lunchtime hangouts taking extra (irl) time and don't understand that they actually boost SL points a bit

(you'll notice that p4g has a mod to just disable lunchtime hangouts)

[fresh mulch]

handling through phone messages does allow you to see everyone available at once at least, so that aspect is less annoying and less savescummyworthy

[strong moat]

the way I would probably handle it from a QOL perspective is to have all your options laid in front of you

which kinda lessens the commitment thing

I just do not think anyone is genuinely save scumming for those bonuses in p3/4

it's not worth it. it's too tedious to do every single day of free time

[fresh mulch]

at least for p4 getting enough points is easy enough anyway

you always have the shrine at the nothing-to-do of the night

[strong moat]

at that point you're barely playing the game you're just really trying to optimize very very methodically. but in p3f you don't need the bonus to 100% all social links

[fresh mulch]

im honestly surprised that you dont in fes

that should make it more lenient that it appears no?

[strong moat]

in p3og you might i'm unsure

[strong moat]

not really bc you actually don't have many cases of, oh you need to spend time with people between ranks + lunch invites don't have everyone show up

the thing that makes it more free in p4g is that you have so much extra free time

the shrine just makes it more forgiving for non optimal dialogue choices

[fresh mulch]

i honestly didnt know this was a thing until i was looking at quick travel options while making my mod lol

[strong moat]

(but p4g also just has the night hangouts)

[fresh mulch]

the p5 assist is so pointless

[strong moat]

yeah it's essentially just quick travel

it's nice

i think it's a bit redundant with the phone already existing

[fresh mulch]

nah its redundant with the on-demand teleportation that also shows confidant avilability thing

[strong moat]

i do not think that one directly teleports you to the confidant

[fresh mulch]

you memorize the locations tho

i wonder in what ways i can expand on the phone while we are at it

[strong moat]

sure but we're talking quick travel to the confidant

phone kinda does this which is why it's redundant but the map showing you confidants doesn't really conflict

[fresh mulch]

have futaba send you brainrot memes daily?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-cat-explosion-explosion-goofy-ahh-gif-27081515

[strong moat]

I'm struggling to think of another use for the phone ngl

[fresh mulch]

best use: adding polycule communication

its quick, easy, doesnt take much of your time, you can ignore, and it adds more of a realism to the 'multi dating' route

plus its more reasonable to implement branching dialogue based on flags compared to events too (they are hell)

[strong moat]

make the social sim part more immersive by having you text your confidants to not break your link with them

lol

like oh man it's night time! looks like _ is messaging me!

[fresh mulch]

well, you can def hook that up to the square button, so implementing on a technical level isnt difficult, the problem is that this would increase the already big additions to the messaging

akechi what happened to your face

[strong moat]

yeah lol. but you asked for ideas

[strong moat]

the manga has fucking dogshit art

😔

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

i have no idea what specifically to do next so ig its time to restart from the beginning. again.

[fresh mulch]

while im not going for constant realism, i do want to make the social sim aspect more of a social sim. so while not needed, its one of those things that add up with the rest to create the feel i want. probably

[fresh mulch]

you do bring up a good point in having a way to keep up with your many social links without spending time. maybe i can have phone calls that you can do during the evening that are only one, but dont spend time from other activities... 🤔

gives you more breathing room to avoid breaking slinks, but physically hanging out with them is still more effective

of course, with limits so you cant call sojiro, or someone else from the evening

[fresh mulch]

right i have to implement logic that only allows the dashing to be enabled after a certain point

[fresh mulch]

so... this is a thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOPMPN4g750

time to make jonkle play a real shin megum tensei game

adding a new game, as long as it uses the same qtes as one of the previous ones, is very trivial

i guess this is a good theme for leblanc?
https://youtu.be/57YNEkqQk64

gosh its late. gn

hopefully my headache stops tomorrow

Sry i got a bit feisty

The pain in my head doesnt help with my existing mood swings

[grand cipher]

you take aspirin yet?

[fresh mulch]

If its still bad tomorrow...

I honestly juat think its strained eye

[grand cipher]

take it before you go to bed, it'll help

I've had headaches before taking one or two before bed stops it in the morning

[grand cipher]

and yes, sounds nice for leblanc.

[fresh mulch]

... ||nor the pain in my—||

[grand cipher]

||eyes||? yea

[fresh mulch]

Sure

[uncut depot]

random banter that has nothing to do with the plot or mechanics but is very funny

[fresh mulch]

Yeah i'll be having more silly group chats

They really underutilized the phone feature

[jovial turret]

Could also be a good safe room

[fresh mulch]

Mornin

[uncut depot]

hewwo

[fresh mulch]

she looks like a lesbian 👁️ 👁️

https://youtu.be/dY8Fm3vgT6k

i dont remember 'i believe' playing in leblanc wth

there's one of life will change as well

does it play in the hideout

bruh i'd forgotten to add the mini locker room event here

ive done so much i dont remember everything

oh also the new event i used to substitute the siu director at the beginning

[grand cipher]

how you feeling?

[fresh mulch]

okayish

[fresh mulch]

i'd already shown this before, but might as well show again now that im testing other bgm

changed a little of the beginning sojiro dialogue. i already think it has a bit of 'early installment weirdness' with a male mc, but i def think it'd change at least a bit with a femc as well

[fresh mulch]

thats more than i expected honestly

but its too little still. i must fix this

[weary rapids]

You must lock in

[fresh mulch]

https://youtu.be/-tjaJlferrk

man if it wasnt for the old timey instruments, this would fit the 'occupied leblanc' theme well

[fresh mulch]

pft

i think i might have separate themes for clear vs cloudy skies in the outdoor areas too 🤔

i think the vibe changes a lot with how the lighting is handled

plus, clear/sunny skies will be important for my new gardening mechanic. probably

i think at this point i should make a spreadsheet so i can plan this better...

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-kitten-kitty-gif-3939146253792686449

[fresh mulch]

there's something funny about Kaneshiro's Palace, which is a bank with money flying around everywhere, is the 'Bank of Gluttony'
meanwhile Okumura's Palace, which comes from the CEO of Okumura Foods, and his boss fight has the rare "hunger" ailment, is the 'Spaceport of Greed'
like, it makes sense, but by superficial association it looks funny

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/ann-plush-ann-takamaki-persona-5-mini-ann-nui-croissant-gif-6749526591456785302

[fresh mulch]

https://youtu.be/7VLBsy3rlRA

this deadass sounds like raidou music

[strong moat]

I still have yet to play the additional scenario but I know people are kinda mixed on its writing...

[fresh mulch]

i still have to finish IS

[strong moat]

good luck

rough game to play but it's got decent writing

[fresh mulch]

https://youtu.be/U5CmJCLARHU

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-cat-absolute-cinema-cat-gif-8724746330989628604

[fresh mulch]

hmm i'll be able to easily make a toggle for field and battle bgm changes, but anything in events themselves would be unreasonable, and i'll be changing them a lot

should be fine

[fresh mulch]

okay... finished combing through p1 and p2

im not even close

[uncut depot]

i waited for the ep psp translation instead of playing psx partly for additional screencap and partly because i didnt feel like reading americanized p1 names lol

[fresh mulch]

yknow, women's day should be all year every year

https://tenor.com/view/yuri-yuri-expert-i-love-yuri-i-freaking-love-yuri-yuri-licence-gif-9988333502784798675

[fresh mulch]

shoul be fine for me to leave the source files in right

they are only a few kb compared to the... uh...

oh god

[grand cipher]

Let’s make it so kaneshiro is thin and okumura is fat

[royal sage]

greed can be in the form of hunger it is attributed to gluttony aswell theyre two sides of the same coin, the reason okumura is greed is because his company is willing to work until people pass out or die and then replace them immediately

while gluttony is just as much a similar side of the coin it generally has the added factor where you can over indulge in other factors aswell

its habitual greed eating because you can not because you are hungry and not because you think you need more but because you simply can

Kaneshiro is constantly in game feeding off of the money of others both metaphorically and literally he is working like a mosquito and his men are everywhere like flies on the wall

[fresh mulch]

i know thats why i said that superficially its funny

the deadly sins could do without one of them tbh. too much overlap

[royal sage]

i just feel the need to explain for more context

[royal sage]

the problem with the sins is all of them overlap, death represents them all

war and famine are roughly the same as they can cause one another

pestilince comes with war

these are the horsemen

they are also overlapping

wrath and envy can cause one another in the context of the sins

and greed and gluttony can be the same

[fresh mulch]

i wonder why they went with 7

[royal sage]

7 is a divine number

it appears in the context of god plenty of times

the writers probably superficially assign 7 and 10 as golden numbers for rule sets

[fresh mulch]

tbh its a nice number for groups

[royal sage]

the number 10 gives you 2 unified groups of 5 rules where you could organize them neatly its also easier to carry on stone tablets

while the number 7 in this context was probably organized from the things people saw during their travels

they were likely listing the extremes of sins they had seen on their travel

the reason there is so much overlap is because human emotions overlap with each other alot

though in the specific case of persona 5 its specifically based off a sept called gnosticism

the reason the sins seem off is because they arent the 7 deadly sins

they are archons

the archons are lust wrath envy sloth gluttony and so on but they are designed to spread ignorance

so they arent required to perfectly match up with their attribute

yaldaboath is the end resolt of that trapping of ignornance

the only way out of it is to acknowledge that there is more outside just the physical world and break free

which is what satanael in that belief tried to do

i just realized how stupidly indepth i got about archons in a video game

[fresh mulch]

oh sry i was playing mincraft

huh interesting

[royal sage]

gnosticism is essentially a more spiritual way of thinking, the belief that the world its self is a trap for souls created by yaldaboath and the only way to escape is by looking beyond the physical world

which is basically the entire plot of persona 5

[fresh mulch]

btw i live on a spawner

[fresh mulch]

i'll look more into this. seems important for the themes

[grand cipher]

copper sword since when do you get those?

[fresh mulch]

idk i was surprised too

[grand cipher]

also if you don't want monsters everywhere, put a torch on all but one if you wanna farm xp somewhat, but if you want no monsters, put torches everywhere on it.
(case you didn't know)

[fresh mulch]

you dont really need to cover all sides. it still depends on light level

[grand cipher]

I do it regardless. you don't mess around with them

[fresh mulch]

oh, there is a smt demon inspired by this

i should port it

absolute cinema

[grand cipher]

hybrid.

thats like a elden ring enemy lol

[fresh mulch]

got smt4, 4a, and nocturne music out of the way btw

then i just have dds, desu 1 and 2, p3 and 4, and the dancing games

oh yeah raidou remaster and 2 too

[uncut depot]

? whered u read that one

every list of archon name ive seen has zero overlap with the deadly sin demons and only overlap with the palace ruler demons insomuch as samael and yaldy are there

ive never seen anything about them having any relation to the deadly sins at all in fact, and i could swear the deadly sins themselves werent even a thing until after rome fell which already doesnt add up

gnosticism is insanely early in christian history

[fresh mulch]

i know i was there

[uncut depot]

also i hate to break it to you but satanael is entirely a new age citogenesis addition
if you wanted to be accurate to The Gnosticism Lore™, which tbh idc too much in a video game but i do care in the context of catching misinfo, then arguably satanael should be sabaoth actually :V

[fresh mulch]

holy early 2000's anime intro
https://youtu.be/71Up84h81fI

man shoji meguro is everywhere in the ps2 era

[fresh mulch]

i feel bad for not making much way for some good p3 and 4 themes, but i want to prioritize other games that didnt get much love

[fresh mulch]

gosh its getting late. tomorrow i continue the music thing. after that... i think i will prepare my new custom event, but not finish it and leave it for later

the event would be substituting the anime cutscene where joker wakes up on a train

thankfully, i wont be doing the "jonkle walks around crowded city, and time stops, and arsene appears" thing, because that'd be hellish in event format

in fact trimming this fat is a reason im doing the event (the other is the... questionably executed 2 second flashback to the shido incident...)

i'll see what else i can add to make this more worthwile

[royal sage]

the archons are more or less the same early concept, theres 7 of them and they serve as malfactors

they can represent these things but its more of a loose application

which is why i said its not going to be exact

them being listed as having a connection to the seven deadly sins directly is probably a newer age concept but i have seen it before

though to be fair their actual titles can be roughly translated to mean the same thing as the seven deadly sins

though some of their titles are alot more blunt than vague concepts like lust

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/relax-sofa-cat-lazy-gif-16110529

meirl

[grand cipher]

add a controller in the paws and thats me.

[fresh mulch]

maybe i should take a break by writing my harutaba fic... nah im almost there that can be done later

by the end of this month i should... be halfway there

https://tenor.com/view/fell-gif-11242683397767497522

oh well gnight fuckers

[worthy sage]

Gn

[fresh mulch]

My mind is a cacophony of juxtaposing musical compositions by now

I'm losing whatever shreds I had left of my sanity as I, as the kids call it, "break it down"

I'm lost amidst the echoes of different melodies bouncing off of my skull

im gay gn

[uncut depot]

if u want the very broad strokes, hypostasis of the archons is a pretty quick read ignore the exorsexist bit
i tried giving pistis sophia a crack but got immediately lost

[royal sage]

the first mention of the thought process around the seven deadly sins dates back to Hellenistic greece

and probably even earlier

all together under gnostic belief if i have this correct you have forethought, mastery, divinity, kingship, envy, wealth, and im pretty sure the last is wisdom

however different interpretations and names exist and some of these are mirrored directly with the sins

[fresh mulch]

Im gay good mornin

https://tenor.com/view/cat-destroyer-angy-rainbow-gif-26041200

Yknow, every month, every year, should be pride month

[simple knoll]

true

https://tenor.com/view/kuruto-ryuki-ryuki-ai-the-somnium-files-aitsf-aini-gif-13894096093667973565

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/project-sekai-pjsk-prsk-mizuena-mzen-gif-3290103913415520952

[simple knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/takumi-takumi-sumino-true-truth-nuke-hundred-line-gif-16099135357340348322

[fresh mulch]

I love gay people (im gay people)

[fresh mulch]

Hm initially i was going to keep the shiho recovery and romance storyline as part of the lovers confidant, and while i can still have the romance locked behind it, i want to give shiho agency in her recovery beyond the player advancing a game mechanic. It just feels really wrong how vanilla did it imo

However, that does mean that any ranks where shiho could be in the hospital or out of it depending on the current point in time, i'll have to make at least two versions for these events, one in hospital and another outside

It shouldnt be too bad tbh. But its still work

[sullen drift]

thank you. I really appreciate the consideration you tale with some of these aspects. Seeing P5 on stage made Shiho and a lot of Kamoshida feel a little more visceral so I think about it a bit more.

[fresh mulch]

almost a decade of the average persona fan's utter lack of capacity to handle this topic respectfully made me really want to give justice to shiho and her story

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/mizumafu-mafumizu-mafuyu-asahina-mizuki-akiyama-prsk-gif-11169296088678846808

[uncut depot]

you could also just timegate those ranks, no?
tho youd need an indicator which idr how those work

[fresh mulch]

yeah thats the plan for all of them

its just that i dont know how many ranks will be available pre-leave

optimistically, i might need to do this for like... 3 events?

i also have inbetween-rank events to worry about (because i dont hate myself enough clearly)

about the topic yesterday, thinking about it, i encompass all deadly sins
gluttony: i anxiety-eat a lot. caffeine addiction (dw i can stop any time)
greed: hello, i like money!
envy: im envious of hot ladies
wrath: im a bitch on a good day
lust: ... this should be obvious to literally anyone
sloth: i

anyway, im taking a bit of a break today, but i want to make some progress today still

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/mizuki-akiyama-prsk-proseka-project-sekai-mizuki-gif-7158461722996040769

im having totally normal levels of obsession with them

[fresh mulch]

but i thought there was no lgbt in japan??? 😮 /s

but fr its kinda cool seeing this from something anime

[fresh mulch]

dayumn i wasnt expecting so much to change in only 3 months of hrt

~~cant link the site 'cause booba ~~

makes me wonder what would be the best time frame for futaba's transition

...am i really about to measure her breasts to get a realistic time frame...

https://tenor.com/view/idubbz-measuring-tape-idubbz-tape-measure-meme-gif-21525107

[simple knoll]

if you eat a lot you can... grow quite a bit

[fresh mulch]

you'll be growing more than your breasts :p

thinking about it, i always wonder how realistic futaba's skinniness is

idk much about metabolism

[fresh mulch]

uh... huh...

anyone knows more than me about this

...i never realised she had pants over the spandex

what in the fashion sense

super important knee guard. what if she trips

[uncut depot]

i was tempted to say lol, considering she just fuckin stays in her room all day before the obvious

[fresh mulch]

thats the thing, there are people with metabolism like this, but idk if its as often as you'd expect when seeing hikikomoris in media

but holy hell what is that waist 😭

[grand cipher]

okay shes a lot thiccer then I thought. o_o

[uncut depot]

tbf japan does actually have lower rates of obesity, im told for a few different cultural reasons, though obviously on the individual level there is a limit lol

[simple knoll]

they have lower rates bc they eat significantly lower portion sizes

[grand cipher]

And that knee guard does actually help considering she trips in strikers lol

[fresh mulch]

hmmm looks about 12 months or more of hrt if the images are to be believed

https://tenor.com/view/homework-thinking-writing-spongebob-gif-5121344

[fresh mulch]

the only fat she had went to the most convenient areas

[fresh mulch]

rice isnt fattening?

[uncut depot]

i mean i guess theres also the possibility that she undereats what with the depression and all

[fresh mulch]

i guess the white meat must help too? idk enough to tell

i was thinking she'd be an undereater actually

what was the time frame of wakaba's death again?

[uncut depot]

exactly 8/20/14

[fresh mulch]

p5 starts april of 16?

[uncut depot]

precisely 2 years before futaba deadline

[uncut depot]

between development history and the shape of the calendar it should be 2016 yeah

[fresh mulch]

so, from when we found her, it has been almost 2 years like this...

you remember when sojiro gains custody?

[uncut depot]

persona games have traditionally been set ~2yrs after release but p5 got delayed 2yrs so itd be exactly release year

[uncut depot]

not quite, recall all the shitty foster relatives before sojiro

[fresh mulch]

something tells me that a p6 released today wouldnt age very well in 2028

[fresh mulch]

that would actually be quite a time frame without hrt for her right?

aside from the mental health toll, i wonder what that could physically do

assuming that she had before when wakaba was alive

[fresh mulch]

how tf do i find informative detransition timelines that dont have a transphobic agenda holy hell

[uncut depot]

doesnt the body just start going back to the agab puberty if you stop blockers/hormones cold turkey
actually that might also explain undereating, shit nutrition slows puberty

[fresh mulch]

i dont imagine the booba would just evaporate?

can that even revert without surgery

[uncut depot]

obviously not lol the body has already put fat there

actually speaking of things that dont revert

voice deepening

[fresh mulch]

Bruh my lights just went poof out of nowhere

Translation: blackout

[uncut depot]

oh dear

[fresh mulch]

its back

[fresh mulch]

wouldnt it be the opposite of deepening here

[royal sage]

its the angle

https://klipy.com/gifs/futaba-sakura-persona-5-13

shes skinny sure but even in her tech suit its not as exagerrated as it is in the artwork

[fresh mulch]

i mean, these are baggy clothes. i'd have to see the pt model

idk seems pretty accurate to the art

[uncut depot]

i mean that if she was having amab puberty then her voice would potentially drop and shed need vocal training to compensate

[royal sage]

id say the major issue is that her headset makes her head look larger than it is which makes her look skinnier than she is

[fresh mulch]

how big are these glasses holy

[grand cipher]

whats in the pockets

[royal sage]

her headset seems to be based on her glasses so about the size of a closed hand

ive seen glasses like them

[fresh mulch]

and i thought mine were big

[royal sage]

i think people get large glasses because they stop you from having blurry edges to the front of your vision

[fresh mulch]

talking about the glasses btw

[fresh mulch]

i filter that out i almost never realize that the edges are blurry

now i cant unsee my glasses. this is when someone says that you are blinking or breathing

[royal sage]

i do too but id imagine its probably an issue for some people

[uncut depot]

also voice doesnt get higher in any puberty smh

[fresh mulch]

voice training sounds taxing

shotouts to the trans people that do it

[strong moat]

in futabas case the advantage is completely eliminated by the fact that her glasses sit a bit lower, so if she looks up slightly it's blurry

[uncut depot]

lul

[fresh mulch]

is she wearing her glasses on the tip of her nose or smth

[strong moat]

glasses can still slip down a bit

[fresh mulch]

not that much

maybe i just have a fat nose

[strong moat]

in her case it makes sense

her glasses are a bit down from her nose

[uncut depot]

i mean u can pitch ur voice up/down without training but not everyone knows how to do it in a passing way or how not to fuck up their vocal cords

[fresh mulch]

her bridge is just really far down

anime moment

live futaba reaction

tf is this shirt. am i missing something

its the 'no way' i know what a tetris is

[royal sage]

probably the fact that its not perfect, it fits sure but the more satisfying route is the long piece

[fresh mulch]

oooh i see there's no great position for square aside from the middle, which only clears one row and leaves a hole on the next

skill issue tbh

[royal sage]

also i know people play tetris but i really dont think it was that popular in 2014

[fresh mulch]

it has always been huge tho

hmm 2 years ago futaba would be 13... would she have realized her gender stuff that early?

[uncut depot]

entirely plausible, many people figure it out young

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/zombie-land-saga-lily-hoshikawa-anime-punching-happy-gif-14210795

shotouts to lily

[fresh mulch]

honestly, being chronically online would def help there

you are exposed to more way more ideas pretty often

its how i found out that no, straight women do not want to slap the ass of other women, and maybe im gay (i am)

[uncut depot]

some people anecdotally know for as long as they can remember though obviously not all

[royal sage]

will there be a side option to release shadows over demons at some point, i like the demons but i really dont like them replacing the classic shadows, or are the shadows scripted to only work with this mod?

[fresh mulch]

i mean, i am having shadows as normal enemies too

its a mix of both

[grand cipher]

Hm....

I wonder if it's possible to make it so all enemies cannot be talked with for a new persona, so you'd have to find some other way to get them

[royal sage]

classic way persona 3 style

not sure if thats moddable though

[grand cipher]

I believe Arkadia has the arcana cards for Reimagined so it'd be possible to get new personas

[fresh mulch]

its totally possible with flowscript in fact, you just have to mess with the negotiation logic to not allow persona acquirement if you dont have it registered

tho i dont see much of a point in doing that

[royal sage]

i think thats cool, i just want the enemy variety so classic shadows can atleast show up to be in persona 5

[grand cipher]

so you don't get a random persona from a guy riding a horsie.

[fresh mulch]

enemies can have a 'cant negotiate' tag yknow

shadows are unegotiable in general

[grand cipher]

But there's also a problem with it.

If you can't negotiate, where would you get personas from?....

Since thats all the whole way of getting them (unless im mistaken)

[fresh mulch]

i have assigned treasure demons on them in the case you somehow end up able to acquire it, but its mostly a placeholder (tho i might eventually add a confidant ability that allows negotiation with 'pure shadows')

[royal sage]

I think the implication is all shadows are in a sense demons but they have to be unmasked first

but im not sure if you could script shadows to mostly appear if the enemies ambush you first

or if thats impossible

[fresh mulch]

uh the core mechanic of smt? fusions?

[grand cipher]

But how can you fuse if you don't get personas

[fresh mulch]

thats an interesting idea, and i think that its totally doable, since each area has a list of encounters, and i think that ambush encounters are separate

[fresh mulch]

money

[royal sage]

to my understanding the reason we fight demons is because we rip the shadows mask away

[grand cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/money-mr-krabs-gif-18326632

[fresh mulch]

anyway you'll get personas just fine. its just the masked shadows that cant be negotiated with

[royal sage]

so them not appearing when the enemy ambushes you never made sense to me

unless the shadows are choosing to show themselves when they fight you

which raises the question of why?

[grand cipher]

Morgana explained that already I believe.

[fresh mulch]

they are exhibitionists

[grand cipher]

The demons are their true forms, when they're masks are ripped off it temporarily removes the rulers distortion and "weakens" them and makes them transform into their true selves for battle

[royal sage]

yeah but when they ambush you, you dont get the chance to rip their mask away

so shouldnt the distortion hold?

[grand cipher]

I believe it still works the same, they just don't get weakened

idk, im not the cat

[fresh mulch]

the forced ambushes im adding should make sense here funnily enough, because you are ripping the mask but getting ambushed anyway

my biggest problem with this is that stealth is piss easy in p5 already, so you are rarely going to face all-shadow ambushes

feels like a waste of resources

the only way i can think of that i could realistically change stealth would be to toggle the 'cover + teleportation' feature off, but idk if that'd ruin the feel of p5

it would make you actually think more to get proper jumps

[royal sage]

then there are the red shadows which even when your overleveled for a dungeon can still ambush you because you forget you cant just sprint run through them

[strong moat]

if cover wasn't so strong in P5 I feel like it wouldn't be as much of an issue, but as it is, you can just sit next to an enemy and as long as you're in cover, they won't be able to see you, which feels goofy

even when they walk right next to you and should be able to see you

[fresh mulch]

my first time playing i legit thought i'd need to be careful with cover, but no, its just that fecking broken 😭

ngl i think i'll just disable it. its as simple as removing the tutorial in one section of kamoshida's castle

the game is way more interesting by trying to actually stealth around using the geometry

this does mean that i should make forced ambushes rarer

[royal sage]

the issue is that cover isnt strong its unbeatable

the developers for some reason decided to make you invisible while hiding

[strong moat]

we are saying the same thing

[fresh mulch]

since they are in place to force the player to actually interact with the ambush mechanics (directly buffing ambush-only skills too), because if you have more than 1 brain cell, you'll not be seeing them often

[royal sage]

Im just saying strong is too light of a word

[strong moat]

bruh

[royal sage]

Im not arguing anything or trying to debate?

[fresh mulch]

p5 prefers to give more of a role playing experience over difficulty, and that includes being a flashy phantom thieve that slips around undetected

~~almost... style over substance ~~

[royal sage]

whenever someone brings up that name i feel the need to say the review that used the title persona 5 style over substance would have been right if he actually used parts of the game that were 100% style over substance

like the stealth

or the fact you can grapple to enemies from 20 feet away while theyre clearly looking at you

[fresh mulch]

the title is 100% correct, but the review as far as i remember is dumb

[royal sage]

he complained about the writing

while understanding nothing about japanese culture

[fresh mulch]

tho i have a feeling that a good review of p5 that adresses this topic would still be hated by most p5 fans

its almost a cult

[strong moat]

I think style over substance isn't really too fair either applied generally to P5 anyways, like P5 is not my favorite game but a lot of its stylishness does work for me in how well it formulates the game's identity

[fresh mulch]

i mean, p5 has no onsen peeping scene can we say that it appropriately portrays japan???

[fresh mulch]

the style is just really good tho

[royal sage]

Like the sojiro social link he complained about because futabas case is easily refuted

but japans court system is incredibly physical evidence heavy

[fresh mulch]

i had a blast even if it was stupid easy because how much the presentation pulls its weight

[strong moat]

yeah, it's very good in that regard

[royal sage]

persona 5 dungeon design is what people want for persona 4 revival

[fresh mulch]

p5 feels like when i play vampire survivors honestly. im not in here for dark souls gameplay, but to feel powerful with a bunch of seizure inducing flashing lights

[strong moat]

that would be a mistake imo but that's a discussion for another day

[fresh mulch]

i honestly wouldnt mind if we mostly got better set pieces for the p4r dungeons

p5's verticality is mostly helped by its fluidity

[royal sage]

yukikos dungeon is a set of stairs and a few hallways before you get to the boss

[strong moat]

yeah so p4 dungeons kinda suck ass too but I just think p5 dungeons tend to be kinda mediocre in their design overall too

[fresh mulch]

hey now, there is a room asset too

[royal sage]

they wont admit that the writing is one of the problems

[strong moat]

P5 dungeons are just deceptively simplistic in their design overall. they're sufficient to tell a story, I don't think they're actually that interesting otherwise though

they certainly don't have interesting puzzles to solve

[fresh mulch]

i wonder if removing the covers would make them worse because of it not being designed for that, or, inversely, better, because it makes it less of a 'press X to advance', so you spend more time with the area

[royal sage]

kamoshida is a small step above the subway slammer in subtilty

[strong moat]

I think they'd be worse personally

[fresh mulch]

i guess i can test that out

[strong moat]

I think that would just expose more how simplistic and closed off their design is

[fresh mulch]

i can also reposition enemies with relative ease, so if an area is bad without covers, i can change a bit the enemy placement

[royal sage]

i think instead of a palace yukikos should have more of an allusion to something like Rapunzel, make it more clear that this "castle" is a prison with restrictions.

[strong moat]

I mean this isn't even me saying that persona 5 has bad dungeons compared to persona 4 for example I just think its dungeon designs aren't really great compared to just. other games outside megaten

[fresh mulch]

just make her kiss chie duh p4 is now goty

[royal sage]

anyways to persona 5

[fresh mulch]

p5 stinks

[strong moat]

I mean the theming of yukikos dungeon is fine, I think the theming of all dungeons are broadly fine, it's just their hallway ass design

[fresh mulch]

if anything, i often hear p5 fans mention a lot the writing issues funnily enough

[strong moat]

could be worse though, persona 1 has dungeons that exist

[royal sage]

i think alot of its writing hiccups have to do with them having alot of time before something and then not using it, we could use time before raiding the palace learning alot more or doing on the grounds investigations like what they did with kaneshiro

but after kaneshiro they just sort of stop?

things come to them like its just a monday

[fresh mulch]

true...

[royal sage]

futaba was sort of like that but it was a very small thing in comparison covering much less land

[fresh mulch]

p4 kept this idea through the entire game no?

[strong moat]

wdym?

[fresh mulch]

investigate before being able to go to the dungeon

[strong moat]

yeah and it fucking sucked in execution lmao

[fresh mulch]

granted, it wasnt the most... fun experience

[strong moat]

I anticipate P4R will overcorrect and give you flashing icons telling you exactly where to go

[fresh mulch]

will they be stylized like p5

[strong moat]

but those segments of p4 really weren't that fun

[fresh mulch]

p4r hud turning into another p5-like

[strong moat]

i think it goes from kanji to Namatame if I recall correctly, I think it does happen for Naoto too

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[strong moat]

and then you have an investigation segment for December but that one feels rather different

and then ||none in February and a different feeling one in March||

[grand cipher]

what about the rivers in a dry land.

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/lazy-cat-cat-lazy-stairs-slide-gif-12601928359257518609

[uncut depot]

i dont think i accept criticism from a guy who misunderstood the interrogation room twist, complained that it didnt make sense, and his proposed fix was just...literally what actually happened
like thats literally just ragebait im sorry

[fresh mulch]

no way lmao

[strong moat]

lmaooooo

one of these days I'm gonna have to sit down and watch that video

I sat through the (aitsf) ||Saito Sejima is a bad villain video||, I can handle this one too I think

[fresh mulch]

nah i'll pass. if im gonna have a guy on my ear for 4:30 hours i'd rather it be a nerd explaining how you can buildup speed for 12 weeks to save the press of one button in an old game

[uncut depot]

i refuse to waste my valuable time on one 4hr rant video
four 1hr videos on the other hand...

[fresh mulch]

"ugh this 2 hour video is so long"
>proceeds to watch 5 hours worth of videos for the entire day

time truly is relative

[uncut depot]

tbf most videos over 2 hours are transparently a waste of time

except vods i guess

[fresh mulch]

counterpoint

[uncut depot]

i did say most

[fresh mulch]

true

[uncut depot]

like if its supposed to be a video essay or something then chances are the length is because its poorly structured and/or repetitive

[fresh mulch]

i wonder how many people have watched these at x1 speed, without leaving them in the background doing something else

[uncut depot]

whereas if they have the good sense to break their shit up then they probably do know what structure is i think

[fresh mulch]

yt videos for me are x1.5-x2 speed nowadays sorry not sorry (x0.75-x1 in the background, because i cant multitask)

[uncut depot]

i usually have videos at 1x speed with the exception of instruction videos which i speed up because i just want to learn how to do the thing

[strong moat]

[fresh mulch]

good ol ancient youtube tutorials that type on notepad when explaining

x3 speed is not enough

[fresh mulch]

who's this person and in what private are they hiding

[strong moat]

this is his secondary channel lol

but regardless, this is a really good series for persona 4

[sharp yoke]

Damn

Hard SMT III? Master IV? Godborn V?

[fresh mulch]

only did hard nocturne. havent done the other two

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/kanamizu-mizukana-kanade-yoisaki-mizuki-akiyama-pjsk-gif-17936909347266477138

okay while i didnt make tangible, physical progress today... i think i did plenty uh... mental, planning progress... yeah...

[fresh mulch]

good night

[uncut depot]

night

[fresh mulch]

Mornin

[fresh mulch]

... should i become a vtuber

[fresh mulch]

wow this is what i keep hearing when i walk i wonder what that means 😃

[weary rapids]

Im curious

[fresh mulch]

got soul hackers 1 and 2, and raidou 1 and 2 music out of the way

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

time for smt5 music

i have a feeling that most wont make it in, not because they are bad, they are good, but because of the... unique style that rarely fits p5

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/ena-x-mizuki-mizuena-pjsekai-ena-shinonome-mizuki-akiyama-gif-26293250

[mellow pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/kefla-super-saiyan-2-kefla-kale-dragon-ball-caulifla-dragon-ball-kale-and-caulifla-gif-11132264155339583311

[fresh mulch]

is fusion like sex

https://tenor.com/view/steven-universe-garnet-amethyst-fusion-combine-gif-4912140

[fresh mulch]

love feeling guilty when i take a break

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explode-explosion-cats-kaboom-gif-5543609305179444322

[fresh mulch]

i should draw them kissing

[fresh mulch]

i love grils

[fresh mulch]

ocean the only futaba fan

[uncut depot]

no respect for the chronically online autist

[fresh mulch]

i love chronically online autists <- (is one)

[cloud dew]

For me it's a "holy shit, two cakes!"

[fresh mulch]

holy shit two cuties!

https://tenor.com/view/futaba-persona-5-persona-gif-4558444542703030295

[fresh mulch]

these two should just

https://tenor.com/view/lesbian-cuddle-hug-gif-12389797

(me and who)

[simple knoll]

listen i love futaba but sumi is my waifu

[fresh mulch]

they are both my waifu
and ann
and haru
and makoto
and shiho
and takemi
and sae
and kawakami
and mitsuru
and—

('and' doesnt sound like a word anymore...)

[fresh mulch]

damn its late
night

im going slowly rn but i'll pick the pace again soonish

https://tenor.com/view/mizuena-nightcord-mizuki-ena-pjsk-gif-10658067156143476198

Is it a flaw to not be able to make anything 'lightweight', and instead always going in way over your head with massive, ambitious problems? Because i'd say it is

I cant settle for anything simple, my brains keeps constantly expanding scope

Well, what can i say. Im a size queen after all

Wait no pause

[simple knoll]

yeah I come up with grand ideas and then never follow through on them a lot

I think it's an adhd thing

[fresh mulch]

Mornin i love women

[fresh mulch]

Hm ig i'll bring this to the psychologist testing me

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/mizumafu-mizuki-akiyama-akiyama-mizuki-asahina-mafuyu-mafuyu-asahina-gif-17892953368018279262

t4t 🔥

[fresh mulch]

talking about it, i have no idea what rei's gender status really is anymore. the idea has always been 'butch cis girl(doesnt use a binder, she's just that flat)', but i've seen at least one headcanon about she being trans in some way, and im just like, do i really know what she is...?

if anyone with more expertise on this topic could chime in

the known facts:

• afab
• she/her
• butch (tomboy in some dialogue, depending on speaker)
• doesnt dispute the idea she's a lesbian (dialogue options never really go into 'im not' territory)

i have no idea how anything outside of the binary works so i dont feel qualified here

[fresh mulch]

im finally taking adhd meds

lets see if this helps me here

[fresh mulch]

poor futaber

[lavish helm]

https://tenor.com/view/yurihimejoshi-himejoshi-yuri-yuruyuri-gamer-girl-gif-13627995627539387578

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/doomed-yuri-yuri-horse-race-tests-cyan-white-gif-10971291255437859421

[mellow pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-5-ann-takamaki-shiho-suzui-persona-5-shiho-persona-5-ann-gif-4382830832575942103

[grand cipher]

kiss

Eat Nose

[mellow pecan]

Tastes like yuri.

[fresh mulch]

yummy girl nose

[lavish helm]

https://tenor.com/view/ogura-noriko-noriko-ogura-ogura-noriko-tetro-gif-11336278926742725859

[fresh mulch]

where are them bottoms

[royal sage]

which Rei?

[fresh mulch]

this rei not the pq one

aka femc jonkle

[royal sage]

Oh the red haired one?

is her name rei akage ive just been calling her akage

Do you have a model created or is it the femc mod thats been floating around for a bit? i dont know who created that one

or is it an entirely unique femc

[fresh mulch]

no

this mod

[terse shadow]

butch girlkisser

Jump

[Go to message!](#1440097821834612838 message)

[royal sage]

oh cool do you have any concept art yet

[fresh mulch]

the topic post of this thread

[royal sage]

OHH

that makes sense

sorry then

[fresh mulch]

btw i recommend going through the pinned messages to catch up somewhat with the more important stuff

tho if i were to draw her for something i'd at least slightly alter some things just to make this clearer (no booba still )

[royal sage]

My first thought when it came to a female joker model is this old design from the concept art

thats too small of a picture let me find a better one

i have no clue if this is any larger

[fresh mulch]

yeah she's cool but there was already a project using her, and i kinda wanna be able to make this mostly solo, so keeping joker the same helps a lot, specially because i dont have to substitute every anime cutscene for a custom event (i'll just substitute the ones i think could have some changes)

yes im a perfectionist, and i cant take the anime cutscene not matching

honestly i could try editing the subtitles in them to fit the new pronouns better at least, but im not dabbling into the hell that is cutscene editing for a long time

[royal sage]

depending on how the events are set up they might work together not fully sure since its a total rewrite which ive never seen before

i'll be the first to tell you if its completely incompatible though, i like stress testing and im fine with the game being broken for a few minutes if it doesnt work

[fresh mulch]

other things that would have to be changed: pictures with joker, so redrawing (i think the red femc one is doing that by what i've seen in the screenshots), the multiple sprites, models, the voice, because at least here, her voice does match her appearance, but if changing the model... if you think this jonkle is jarring, that'd be even more

[royal sage]

the sprites are done and i think there is a voice for that mod

[fresh mulch]

i havent bothered to check the progress on this

[royal sage]

the main issue i see potentially is the disk space because something that changes the entire game might fill reloaded and make it impossible to apply aesthetic changes at all

[fresh mulch]

im pretty sure reloaded has no problem with file size? its a gamebanana thing

[royal sage]

ive gotten disc space errors on reloaded 2 when my drives are clear for the installs

[uncut depot]

that sounds like a hardware issue

[fresh mulch]

the one problem is that the initial load time will slow down quite a bit the more i work on this. but honestly, anyone should expect this out of a multi-gigabyte mod anyway. i'll optimize where i can

[royal sage]

when i say drives are clear for installs i mean i have more than enough gigs clear to download mods

[fresh mulch]

i lik edging my disk

no wait

[royal sage]

i didnt mean to reply to that message

[fresh mulch]

imagine cleaning your drive

[uncut depot]

that still sounds like a hardware thing, or a win11 being vibecoded thing

[fresh mulch]

if its win11 that could explain a lot

[fresh mulch]

but fr i 'clean' like, at least 100gb. and not long after i've already used 150gb

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[mellow pecan]

I am happy for Sho on becoming her true self.

[fresh mulch]

dont deadname her

[royal sage]

It took 3 months for me to get the PC to run without instantly turning off because it thought it had an insufficient power source due to it not being updated

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sadie-persona-5-futaba-futaba-sakura-persona-gif-6717186716285344460

[fresh mulch]

night. tomorrow i'll maybe do stuff

Im actually really curios

Idk for me she has them bi vibes, but is a lesbian(canon is comphet 😤 )

Deadass i wonder what goes behind the human brain processing to spit out stuff like 'hmmmm... they feel like a demisexual she/they'

Ig we just really like patterns

Im just gonna sleep now. Night

Oh right i was remembering. Tangentially related, but the plan is for the player to be able to romance shiho after the max rank lovers

The idea is that would unlock a shiho npc that you can spend time with, and eventually, if you havent picked certain options before, and had opted into the polyamory stuff, you can date her (she'll be ann's gf by the end of the lovers confidant)

[fresh mulch]

Btw im really curious here for the votes, so...

Actual goodnight now

[fresh mulch]

Morning
Im GAY

Im algorithm
https://youtu.be/yUsWBqa-fE4

[fresh mulch]

ah yes, dont you hate when you enter the lesbian-only passenger car by accident

btw trans rights
https://yurimother.com/post/175586466364

The Holy Mother of Yuri

☆      ☆      ☆      ☆      ☆
Original Artwork: 幼なじみ百合(？)漫画その1 
By Artist: garun

-# #transgender #yuri #trans #shoujo ai #lgbtq

Tumblr · Jul 5, 2018, 10:00 PM

[weary rapids]

Peak

[weary rapids]

It’s true it’s been proven before

[fresh mulch]

i'd prefer the other way around but this is good too— i mean what

okay okay last one

[fresh mulch]

holy shit this is pretty even

[fresh mulch]

||unrelated but damn they're cute ||

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/project-sekai-pjsk-prsk-mizuena-mzen-gif-11048244959771190222

my honest reaction

[fresh mulch]

smh

[uncut depot]

plot twist the second girl is bi

[grand cipher]

Why do those even exist.

Such a pain to convert them

[fresh mulch]

both

[sharp yoke]

And what did you think?

[fresh mulch]

its fine(idk what else to say)

[sharp yoke]

Nah nah, u good. Not everyone is a Complete Sweat like me... Nor should they

[fresh mulch]

generally it takes a while for me to do another playthrough of the same jrpg, because, well, they are long, so the hardest difficulty may be locked behind the ng+ i didnt even do yet. and even if it was available at the start, i dont play anywhere above hard in the first time

[lavish helm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/chuu-watanare

[fresh mulch]

i love gay people

[fresh mulch]

bridge W

https://tenor.com/view/bridget-bridget-guilty-gear-brisket-taunt-gif-26654715

(maybe i should do some progress tomorrow...)

[fresh mulch]

bi ann won by a point

as of right now she's bi in this mod too, but this is also an early draft so its very open to change in general. nothing is set in stone

i had posted the event here. now where is it...

[terse shadow]

going through old messages and lmao i forgor about this

butch girlkisser

cough

Jump

[Go to message!](#1440097821834612838 message)

[fresh mulch]

i only posted that one in the evtui thread??? i just have screenshots here

I CANT FIND IT ANYWHERE

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

i didnt delete the video

anyway its super late good night

[fresh mulch]

Morning

[fresh mulch]

I wonder what the yuri thread thinks...

[queen lintel]

Do you know when we'll get a demo?

[fresh mulch]

At the current pace? A month at least

[uncut depot]

me being the token aspec in the yuri thread

[fresh mulch]

me being gay

hm... smt5 music in general has the right ambiance for mementos depths

the problem is that there are only a few fields there

mementos itself? i dont think fits, since the smt5 tracks are usually 'deserty' and 'post-apocalyptic', and i think something more intense fits mementos' better, since we are in a literal car driving over shadows and all

but for anything eery/unsettling i'll check on smt5 music, since those fit really well

oh btw this is the levelup theme
https://youtu.be/fYQREZmi_3w

why is it so fire???????

[fresh mulch]

i had a cute idea

firstly, if making new videogames(the ingame 'videogames' you play on leblanc to be specific) is possible (by reusing controls of another one), then i can add more of them

so, i wonder, what if from time to time, futaba visited leblanc and you could choose to spend a time period with her. similarly with how yusuke ocassionaly pops up there
however, the event for her will involve a 'couch coop' game she wanted to play, but couldnt because she had no friends. here you still do the minigames and stuff, and winning will give you more social stats depending on the game she brought, as well as increasing her confidant points

if i do have videogames give your party skills like i did with books, then i could also have those give skills as well, and they'd be quite powerful to compensate the limited time slot to acquire them

ig to prevent softresetting frustration, i should find a way to tell you which skill you'll receive from the event, and to whom

anyway futaba wants to share her special interest with rei and thats adorable

https://tenor.com/view/futaba-sakura-persona-5-persona-5-royal-oracle-persona-5-futaba-persona-5-gif-15063614145561486563

[fresh mulch]

IM GOING INSANE

nothing i try from the internet works

[fresh mulch]

im growing to despise programmers more by the second the more i attempt to troubleshoot this shit

OH MY GOD FINALLY

it was the windows subsystem for android, i was using to emulate dx2 because fuck every other emulator

of course, i could only find that on my own because its not a common enough issue

sigh... everything is setting me off lately. i wanna get back to working on this but im constantly stressed already

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/yuri-yuri-expert-i-love-yuri-registered-yuri-expert-gif-17091593230803013535

shoul i change the 'take your time' loading icon for this? /j

[rustic shadow]

Yes

[fresh mulch]

1% chance for it to appear then

[mellow pecan]

Perhaps.

[lavish helm]

i love smtv music

smtvv has some really good ones too

[lavish helm]

absolutely

[fresh mulch]

have yet to play that one

still trying to 100% my switch og V

[lavish helm]

its just like so fucking fun too

[fresh mulch]

~~... i should play vengeance 🤤 ~~

[lavish helm]

have you seen yoko

[fresh mulch]

heard of her

[fresh mulch]

🤔 yknow, i should add them as personas later. it just would be cool is all... ||im powered by the horny||

[fresh mulch]

okay, so, dont expect much from this week at least. im taking a small break

also, shotouts to trans people

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/project-sekai-pjsk-prsk-mizuena-mzen-gif-8094467102745479940

[fresh mulch]

good night im gay

[jovial turret]

If the convo ended right after the bicycle line that would have been comedy gold

[fresh mulch]

Having the twins interrupt right there wouldve been funny ig. But i prefer this way

Morning im of the homosexual

[fresh mulch]

shocker

i had a meme about the gril misspelling but i really couldnt show it here ||its nsfw||

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-gif-10804346947536782797

[fresh mulch]

yknow, back in my days, we used to call what is now known as 'aura farming' as 'cringe'

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-angry-grandpa-gif-14233249

[grand cipher]

back in my days, we used shitty headsets with the mics attached to send 144p hate to each other in call of duty.

https://tenor.com/view/which-was-the-style-at-the-time-the-simpsons-abe-simpson-grandpa-simpson-grampa-simpson-gif-27496686

[fresh mulch]

can't relate. speaking on the mic as a little girl was not fun :3

[uncut depot]

back in my day aura was the only thing you could farm on youtube

[simple knoll]

literally

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-pride-lgbt-rights-lesbian-day-of-visibility-julievangrol-lesbian-gif-25445693

what a weird name

hello a lesbian

[fresh mulch]

not r/persona5 for this 😭 (i suppose it could be worse)

[fresh mulch]

the pic if anyone's curious 🔥

https://img1.picmix.com/output/pic/normal/5/3/4/0/12320435_a2d90.gif

finally found a gif

its the only trans futaba gif

[simple knoll]

tbf i've never seen the headcanon before

[fresh mulch]

i've seen it a few times at least (maybe once)

[simple knoll]

i hadn't even considered it before

futaba's experiences as a kid just hit me too much as girl autism

as in the way people treated her

boys with autism are often just called goofy or silly while girls are ridiculed. she said she was bullied for being weird

[fresh mulch]

do people usually use headcanon to talk about non-au?

[fresh mulch]

eh, boys with autism are not really in a much better situation tho

[simple knoll]

generally headcanons are treated as what you think of as canon

au is different. I can like an au but not consider it canon in my mind

[fresh mulch]

there was a guy in my school that was low functioning, and i often saw him being made fun of all the time

as in, he had literal special ed

[simple knoll]

like I headcanon ann as a lesbian. yes in canon she likes joker but i can explain that as comphet. I see people justifying their headcanons. however I also don't disregard that she clearly likes men in canon

[sudden mist]

oh i recognize her, iirc she used to be a mod on a server i was on

[fresh mulch]

holy small world

[simple knoll]

hmm I should've clarified asperger's/high-functioning/level 1 autism

I think level 3 and 2 autistics have vastly different experiences than level 1

there's even differences between the experiences of level 3 and 2 even though they'd both be considered low-functioning

[fresh mulch]

for 'canon' i only consider canon stuff that is confirmed, so i dont really have much of a concept of 'i believe that this is actually canon' or smth like that

[fresh mulch]

you evolve at which level

[simple knoll]

nono like I said I don't think it is actually canon but in my world it is

hard to explain I guess

[fresh mulch]

isnt that an au?

[simple knoll]

so to me there has to be some kind of justification for a headcanon

au is completely seperate

[fresh mulch]

au lite

[simple knoll]

aus need no explanation

i will say I never really liked futaba is trans headcanon because it seems stereotypical. you see a lot of "femboy programmer" stuff like that and to me makes it feel like it's implying a cis woman can't be a programmer... obviously not the intent but it comes off to me that way. I will still follow this and support this because to me this is an au completely separate from everything else

[fresh mulch]

funny thing is, that decoupling art from artist, i cant not see that as headcanon. but when you consider her writers and the target audience she is performing for in the script...

[simple knoll]

lol

true

another one I see as a lesbian is makoto. her relationship with joker seemed so forced lol

[fresh mulch]

basically, there was no intention for that type of queer reading, to the point that what seemed like comphet in the shiho scene at the end of her confidant, seemed to come less from her, and more from the writers' attempt at recenter the player in ann's world lmao

[simple knoll]

haru is bisexual and futaba is pansexual

I rest my case

oh wait

sumire is a closeted bisexual

[simple knoll]

I agree lol

[strong moat]

ann rank 9 really is just an odd rank, i see a lot of people comparing that and rise rank 8 but i think ann rank 9 is just a lot more... ?????

[fresh mulch]

these are all very close to what i have planned

[strong moat]

the only p5r specific mod i ever made was to change rank 9 a bit but only a bit

[fresh mulch]

the pacing is absolutely horrid to say the least

doesnt help that its the only time we see shiho since she jumped

[strong moat]

like my potentially unpopular opinion is that rise rank 8 doesn't bother me much at all

my opinion on ann rank 9 on the other hand is very much not unpopular... i have seen one (1) person ever defending it and it was really odd bc it turns out that at least according to some stuff i saw, my mod actually made it more accurate to the japanese intention?

[simple knoll]

I forgot the boys
joker is resident chaotic bisexual, akechi is jokersexual (grayaromantic pansexual), ryuji is "I'm not gay but why is joker hot" (closeted bisexual), and yusuke is pansexual

[fresh mulch]

i think people focus too much on the 'you have the others' and less on the actual issues in it that plague all languages