#[P5R PC] Take Your Time | [FEMC & Yuri] Story and Gameplay Overhaul

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should i add this one to that mementos nekomata boss? lmao

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mermaid my beloved

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(for comparison, Malaqua is 50 x1-3 times. these are after squareroot already)

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hopefully i can get this all done by tomorrow

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i think that they should all scandalously hold hands

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😭 they did my boy shinji dirty

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what is the point of this??

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my specialty

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difference in base power = x3.33
difference in final, actual damage = x1.8

naostare

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i heavily dislike this squareroot system

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got the descriptions for fire, ice, and elec down so far

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Why am i starting to like this idea more and more by the second

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what if p4 but everyone is trans haha jk unless...

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Whos the big spoon

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yukiko

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yukikohd

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no votes for chie lol

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Whos the big spoon?

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blahaj

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Blahaj sweep

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Gn gays

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Oh gosh, more messages than the kasumi as protag thread already

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too much yuri...

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Is there such a thing?

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Mornin

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oh thank goodness i'd already done for curse and bless

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time to design the almighty skills now ig

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yusuke's signature skill

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(this means we wont be seeing this on the first demo)

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you'll unlock this after defeating the madarame palace and he confesses, so by the second demo you wont be having much opportunity to use this either :p

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while yusuke is quite fast, he's more on the average side, so you'll probably want to use equips that increase his ag so he can use artist's before anyone else acts

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I am intrigued by the idea of FtM Kotone. reminds me I need to go back to Naoto ThemC for P3P whn I get a chance

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okay, so... i've reworked spirit drain

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i want these skills to actually be good, so a flat drain wont cut it. but i also want to avoid making them too good to the point that you can just spam them against a trash mob to get infinite sp back

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i'll probs have to tweak the numbers a little, but yeah this is spirit drain, it costs 10% of your max sp, but in return, the amount of sp it drains scales off of your mag stat

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as you can see by the price discrepancy between level 1 jonkle and haru

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while we are at it. welcome back, unused skill

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oh yeah this is old news by now, but the spirit skills also deal damage. it wont drain hp tho

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also, the life drain skills

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they are decent almighty damage with hp draining based on the damage dealt. thats it

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deadass why do we learn rebellion blade when loki goes back to being an archer???

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Odd that Hereward still has RH on his chest instead of HW.

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idk what would be hereward's skill tho

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at least you can make a case that this is on purpose because the true akechi, loki, has a bigass sword, and this is just a front

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but why hereward got no arrow themed skill pensivekechi

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dw kechi, your hereward will get something useful for the boss (freikugel, colossal gun skill with debilitate)

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tho it'd be interesting to have a unique skill themed after him like rebellion blade instead, since i want ann's ultimate skill to also be freikugel

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im not as fussed by the weirdness, its a reminder that hereward is a fusion of robin and loki, but they still def shouldve given him something arrow themed lol

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tbh im not really as fussed as i act

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ugh ai ruined cat gifs pensivekechi

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did ella always had these thicc outlines?

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shadow madarame's demon name(Azazel) is kinda genius

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look rn im low on words and my brain hurts, so this will be undercooked

Azazel, basically, "represents a desolate place where a scapegoat bearing the sins of the Jews was sent" (wikipedia), which is very fitting to madarame's whole system of using up the disciples he takes in, and then discarding them. (Azazel is also known as a fallen angel that introduced forbidden knowledge to humans that advanced civilization, while introducing bloodshed. i wonder if that's the 'mentor' part here?)

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specially a 'mentor' that ends up causing more harm to those he takes in

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there's no prince of hell associated with vanity by the looks of it? so they had to get creative here

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a bunch of the ruler demon epithets are directly demons of their respective sins but not all, about half of them break the pattern lol

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mainly when the most obvious demon to use is also a persona lol

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wrath (satan), pride(lucifer), and sloth(abaddon/belphegor) are examples

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shido is pride? in his case they used samael instead

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that ones actually kinda clever lol since samael is identified with yaldabaoth in gnosticism

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the other thing is vanity isnt one of the deadly sins (as in, recognized as one of the 7 deadly sins by the catholic church, because its folded in with pride) but has an adjacency to it, something something eastern orthodox church i dont fully remember but its the same deal with despair [sorrow]

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was wakaba wrath and futaba sloth? wakaba is closest to sphinx but idk how related to the actual mythos she is, and we dont see belphegor futaba at all (maybe for the best...)

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futaba is weird because her card (at least in english) says sloth but literally everything else gives it as wrath

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funnily enough, couldn't you kinda also have used sloth for madarame?

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the average american christian conceptualizes sloth as laziness but iirc historically it was something closer to doomerism? or "god has left us" but unironically
so despair has a similar relationship to it that vanity has to pride

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strikers is even wobblier with the whole sin thing

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tbf you are getting it from the fandom wiki

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yeah but as far as i remember this is about right

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you expected every pt to have a corresponding antagonist, but we got ann and alice's homoerotic tension, that random book plagiarism guy and yusuke, and then the president and haru, after this the plot kinda does its own thing, and tbh, im glad it did lmao

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the steam achievements look like this

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"president" lol

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mayor right

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mayor yeah

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btw ann and alice should kiss i dont make the rules

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(deadass why every rival she has looks like they have the big gay for her?) (...im not biased nu uh)

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then again haha vore boss

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well she def was the kaneshiro of strikers (derogatory)

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the weird thing is ider how much the deadly sins even come up in the game itself, would i even know if not for the achievemnts lol

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i dont remember much of the story, so why is akane wrath again?

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||shes pissed at the politician who hit and ran her mom and made his secretary take the fall for it||

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...is akane a mirror of futaba's arc?

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||and at her dad for not doing more to prosecute the guy (he was threatened into cowing down to protect her)||

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||just saying, ann might like bondage more than she lets on||

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Even Shiho won her over by being a little mean 🤭

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OMG TRUE

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ann is secretlier subbier than makoto???

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i can believe it :v

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That's why ice is her weakness.

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"accident"

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(well, wakaba was the only one premeditated)

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oh yes and the culprit evades justice initially

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(what happened to the guy in akane's case?)

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arrested at the end of the game for conspiracy bullshit

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man i absolutely love only being able to either work all day or play games all day, no inbetween

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mood except half the time when i work its not even the specific thing i need to get done that moment lmao

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hmmm should i use ghastly wail's slot for a completely different skill... (if i want bosses to be hit by fear without being instakillable, i have to remove ghastly wail because it just bypasses the instakill affinity check iirc? instakills default to looking at curse affinity if the skill is not bless)

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well, one extra skill id slot for me

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tbf all of these times i was just doing stuff by myself, which after the novelty spell fades out, you lose interest. i tend to stick better to projects if im sharing them, because then i dont wanna be a major disappointment

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i dont have consistent control over what the thing is smh

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by now i think i would've already stopped a while ago if i wasnt here tbh

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last time it was just like that, until i pick this up again a year later

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oh right i should publish cinema select since its basically done
yknow in between homework, homework, my desire to vacuum the house, and some extracurricular mixup i have to sort out

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did you remember your homework?

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if i understand this correctly, a magatsu mandala would be a map(mandala) of calamity gods?(magatsu)

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ig i can find use for that beyond just magatsu izanagi

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the only pt i can think that'd make sense to learn this tho is third sem kechi

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i was like 'i dont remember this...' but then 'oh! this mod!'

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omg finally its time for me to work on the ailments

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i have some ideas i'll experiment with...

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TIL that i physically can't play horror games MarukiCry

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time to go back to modding ig...

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man the mementos overview map looks so sick

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too bad the actual dungeon is even more samey than tartarus

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reminds me of these types of paintings (that teleporter section in madarame references that)

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(yknow, chances are that the 'dont check very often' people are not gonna see this lmao)

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i feel like i check often enough that with most mods i'd be up to date but there's too much yapping in here lol

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hmmm this is just a prototype

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i guess i can use an early save to test this in a normal run, see how i feel

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i'm using % for sp because i dont want ailments to be too expensive early on, but also not free late game

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the idea is for the action economy to continue smoothly even when you missed an ailment (and that also goes for the enemy MakotoSmirk )

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there are still the affinities, so if an enemy nulls an ailment, then that'll not even be able to reduce the stats. debuffs still have a place in being very reliable way to reduce stats, while costing a flat amount of sp

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the exceptions in dormina, taunt, and marin karin have a reason
dormina is much cheaper than the rest because it puts enemies to sleep, and every turn you stall an enemy with sleep, they recover hp and sp back (specially bad with bosses, since it's %based dark). however, that should make it a somewhat reliable tech generator for the longer haul simply because of the 3% sp cost, and the reasonable 60% base (although, maybe it should just be 70%. sleep is quite balanced)
taunt is an ailment that you can use if you wanna inflict something without spending sp. taunt was chosen because it is extremely all or nothing, and needing to sacrifice some hp against an enemy to taunt them can be somewhat risky, since taunted enemies have more strength. it is on the higher end of the ailments at 70% chance (also, enemies often have different types for their basic attack, so you cant rely on null phys)
marin karin im still torn on, because i fear 60% will make it too unreliable for dungeon crawling, but i fear 70% is too good against bosses. marin karin gives you one of the stronger ailments, while costing a fortune through all stages of the game. its designed to be used less against mobs, and more in important fights (specially if you know the enemy is weak), since the 12% sp adds up quickly

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this is all theory tho, and i'll probably be playtesting this tomorrow in a mock run

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you should have marin karin almost always miss as a tribute to p3

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marin karin hits very often tho

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I've only seen clips of it missing, same with yukari always missing while saying I won't miss

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because what gets clipped is the funny stuff, not the things working

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then make it a high chance of missing for funnies

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no.

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anyway, good night ya bunch of homosexs (affectionate)
plz answer this poll i'm quite curious

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Btw I really like the concept of a FeMC Makoto/Sakuya. Kotone is very much her own character as a Female person. if you take the basics of MC P3 and make them a Female it changes the dynamics quite a bit. MC in P3 is dour and goth/emo and doesn’t talk much and as female person that gives her a decidedly different dynamic with every character. Both if she is mtf or afab.

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Yuki is a great name because since yer not using Kanji it can mean Snow and Courage. I had a character choose that name to remember her best friend who was a Yukineko and to give herself courage.

It’s a great name! Also since Ki can mean soul it’s like giving Yu another soul… the soul of a woman.

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This will have me finally play the Makoto route on p3p. It has me wanting to have a serious talk with someone about reviving the Naoto mod for Reloded as well.

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Ken being trans would explain his crush on Kotone; He doesn’t want to be with her she wants to be her… and then when He(Kotone) transitions She(Kxx) realizes that she saw something in Kotone that was like herself. (not saying keep the crush(no) just that Ken being trans explains it)

Asumi Kana’s stage Kotone is very butch in personality so I can see the path.

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I need to stop writing novels on here and work on my own instead of watching time travel kdramas on viki

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——-
But thank u Girlkisser and Raven you are the superheros us trans people need

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Morning homosexs

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hola

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Im out today so i was playtestint through remote play when i had some time.
Ngl its kinda surreal seeing my new events this way.

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example of some of the reworked ailments

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i was gonna playtest them, but better to use that time to also playtest every other change i wanna make, meaning i still have to finish the other skills

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..right i still dont know how i'll handle tarukaja and co. RaidouThink

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one thing is that i originally made buffs cost hp, and debuffs cost sp, because its such a wide gap in how efficient one tarunda is vs 4 rakukajas
the problem is that the script flips once we go to the multitarget skills
multitarget debuff can often be worse than multi. in vanilla i always avoid giving my allies a ma- kunda skill, because it's way more expensive for something i'll ever use for bosses that rarely have more than 1 target, meanwhile multitarget buffs are extremely efficient

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i could swap around so multi debuf cost hp, and multi buff cost sp, but im not a fan of the 180 switcheroo from the single target versions. feels messy ig?

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the idea i had to kinda balance multi buff in these cases, is having most multi-ally skills (even media) not affect the user, but only your allies, and i think this is the most solid plan i came up with?

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im trying to think of other ways but so far that has been the best

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actual downgrade. i always keep tarunda instead

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24 sp what were they thinking 🫠

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not to mention how the fights you expect multi target debuffs to excel at, mobs, its actually even worse than against single target bosses

1 - more often than not, hordes of enemies are easily delt with. wasting a sizeable chunk of sp to debuff them is stupid
2 - in the occassion you defeat them and another wave of enemies appear, preventing the battle to end, it would've been better to buff yourself instead, since that'd carry over to the second enemy wave

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point 2 is kind of similar reason to why debuffs are sucky in pokemon

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so yeah, 99% of the time i see literally 0 zero to keep multi target debuffs in hand

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(good thing most of my bosses will have adds)

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now im imagining a universe where you can stack 6 buffs in smt...

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debuffs tend to work better in doubles tho i think?

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i watch too much wolfey for someone who doesnt actually play and theyre not bad though i still dont see anyone run screech

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85% acc

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incin parting shot to debuff and fuck off

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tbf that is more than just the debuff (and intimidate is auto)

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but single buffs are technically worse than multi debuffs in doubles at least

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thinking about it i tend to see debuffs in vgc more as an effect of a move rather than the only effect (parting shot, drawback of a strong attacking move etc)
abilities that debuff are good though lol

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also the literal only times debuffs have been usable in singles is for degenerate pp stalling || naotoflushed || gimmicky sets

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(or memento too but that is also a pivot like parting shot)

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icy wind in doubles is nice for speed control

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holy shit is that a p5 reference?????????????

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I am a big believer in Debuffs Need To Be Designed Better... secondary effects, more stacking... like they just need to be nastier and more efficient/turn-economical and more like status conditions to be anything at all.

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(icy wind still better for turn efficiency in damage + control)

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Basically any RPG.

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I even include tabletop in that. Debuffs on their own are almost never a good use of turn economy.

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what if there were no debuffs and that function was tied to ailments instead (like how pokemon burn halves atk, para speed, p5 dizzy reduces acc, etc) 🤔

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I think that's the better way to do it, yeah.

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(well i'd have to do that in my own selfmade game, 'cause i cant really here. but good food for thought)

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True, lol, but if we're talking general design stuff.

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i swear sometimes even stacking tarunda with another atk reducing effect barely does anything

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and i have no idea how much defense debuffs are helping me

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sure, technically multitarget debuffs would be nice, but its a waste of your limited turns, and that doesnt carry over to new bot waves

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ig marakunda could have a use

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it is kinda useful at the green guys actually just because theyre hard to break through fast enough, they seem to be the main chokepoint i see people get stuck on

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i include myself in 2020 in people lol

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my main chokepoint is the final bigass bots

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||i was gonna say 'big black bots', but that just sounds... wrong||

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i was confused cus you put that in plural when theres only one

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oh that one is singular?

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then probably the green ones then

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oh yeah they are the ones weak to psy

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its orange then blue then green then the black one then cognitive haru (😭)

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||cognitive shiho 2.0||

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im psure that ones just to make you feel bad lol
but can still kill if youre stupid apparently (i was stupid)

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... you can lose to her?

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i got blown up by the selfdestruct lmao

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im looking at everything i can possibly do in the skill.tbl for alternatives, but i honestly can't find anything besides making the kajas 'all allies but self' and the ma-kajas 'all allies'

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doesnt feel like much of an upgrade this way tho

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honestly worth a try, and the ma-kajas could end up being the reliable option to buff everyone, but have sidegrades that affect multiple stats like in other smt games (eg power breath) that can afflict all your allies but yourself RaidouThink

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that way it would be reasonable to have kajas cost sp again no?

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(tho i do like the dynamic of the buffer turning more fragile as they lose hp in bosses...)

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dont ask why im shouting

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honestly, even if most bosses had adds, single target debuffs are still more efficient than single target buffs mathematically speaking (unless we are talking like, a tanky character using taunting aura + rakukaja, which fair point here, that one defense buff is better than multiple tarundas... unless the boss uses aoe naosmiley )

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this just sounds more equal tbh

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i'll experiment alongside my new ailments and see

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is it possible to apply two buffs with a single skill in P5R?

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i want to say yea but idr for sure

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yes

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in fact you could theoretically only apply half of the effects of sukukaja too

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right, bc hit/eva right

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yeah they are handled separately even tho i dont think they are ever used separately

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it's funny that there isn't the ability to make tarukaja/makakaja in p5r

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wouldn't be surprised if it's never though

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p5 makes it both

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earlier discussion: personally I find that AOE debuff is still pretty useful in persona games although it depends what debuff

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generally by the time you get them, SP isn't a big factor

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yeah but it still feels bad to use so much on a single -attack against a boss

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it also depends how frequently you run into difficult enemy encounters consisting of >1 target

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I think in P4G you'd feel the cost but that's bc you can get AOE buff/debuff sooner

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if you ignore magician card then I think it's the same deal

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magician restores sp?

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dojimaFalse it upgrades skills

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oooh you mean that

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yeah shuffle time

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shuffle time is the source of 95% of P4G's balance issues lol

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ok maybe 90%

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p3p at least has nothing gamebreaking so far in the shuffle times

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P3P has its own problems though

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"you must be tired" says fuuka
we are not tired
funny holdovers from fes lmao

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the combo of the new 1-more system and keeping more or less the same difficulty/balance from P3/P3F (tactics only games) makes for a very disappointing experience

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it means when you leave Tartarus, x character will be tired

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they just prevent tiredness from applying while in dungeons (which is dumb but whatever)

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true ig(even if it just reminds me of what we lost)

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something that would be closer to your point is fuuka oracle

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the text is just completely wrong

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lol

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is this the description in portable?(this only showed p3/fes/reload)

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for example one of the random effects in fes is that your HP can be set to 1

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portable removes all negative effects (and also changed the text), but they didn't update the text

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yeah

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completely different yet they don't update the text

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pretty awesome

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note that portable oracle can also only be used once a day so it's kind of a nerf lol

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reload oracle fixed this but then becomes overtuned

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even though fuuka is at her strongest in reload I do still think P4G rise is a stronger navi

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futaba P5R would probably be stronger but she doesn't act nearly as much as rise

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also it's very easy to manipulate the rise support ai

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yeah so I think if it retained the P3P effects that would be acceptable, but reload brings back the HP/SP restoration

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hopefully you can see the issue here

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again: rise still stronger lol

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but

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im honestly unsure how to feel about navis in general

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I think they have a purpose

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sure they can create cinematic comebacks, but also the 'im going to do x next turn— navi does for you' is kinda disappointing

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later persona games tend to make them do more stuff which yeah

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I still think the best implementation of navis in persona is Q/Q2

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I was hoping P3R would do something closer to that but it does its own thing that is worse lol

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i wish we had more of that in mainline

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note P4 rise also kinda sucks ass too as a Navi but "bad" navis just mean they don't provide much support buffs wise

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Rise is not the best Navi in Q, Fuuka is better. imo she's the best in Q2 though given Fuuka's nerfs

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(btw is it just me or 2 whole points for the underwhelming baton pass effect is a bit too much in pq2?)

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i think itd be cool if you could slap an accessory on futaba and that becomes a skill you can call sometimes
but alas futaba equipment doesnt matter

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also yeah I think Q style navis in any mainline would require substantial code/RE bullshit

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but it would be cool as hell

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yeah its like, okayish for using free mediaramas ig? but 2 points for that feels too much

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otherwise spotlight just works better lol

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me wanting to give wrath ring because its from her palace but theres no point mechanically pensivekechi

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imagine if wrath ring gave a navi-useable passive smh

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also I think the other thing is that Q navi skills don't cost anything permanent which I actually think is good

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it'd be cool if some passives worked with futaba because of the accessory system

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if there is a navi skill i should not allow futaba to have, what would those be 🤔

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these honestly feel quite balanced

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explosive scheme trait tho... like, it doesnt matter in base game, but here with higher enemy hp, that is just too much cheese

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i forget treasure reboot is there 99% of the time lol

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should be an early rank ability, not 7

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i feel like emergency shift is more forgettable when you rarely have half your party deadge lol

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cus i definitely did get treasure reboot procs

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the issue with ultimate support is the combination ridiculous power + no restriction to when it procs

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active support's effect for max rank instead? (or maybe position hack, with how often you are forced into surrounded)

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mementos scan can go right

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if ultimate support could only activate once per battle then it wouldn't be an issue anyways

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it'd be strong but it's intended to be strong, its a 3rd semester skill

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hmm i wonder if for my p3p idea, having the first name be a forced makoto/kotone with editable surname would be interesting, and you get to choose the first name post the plot-induced transition part 🤔 idk would that drive the theming home? (lets ignore the potential pain that could be to include for now)

fresh mulch
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the more i think about it, the more this makes sense

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you dont get to choose your birth name, and that is a big part of the struggles trans people face.

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sure no one gets to choose their birth name, but i think there's more thematic significance here at least

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that mod would probably be a bit dysphoric for some, i think? but if i want to depict the egg struggle there's no way of avoiding that unfortunately

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like i dont wanna shy away from showing the reality of how kamoshida would react to this femc for example

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idk is that a good idea?

uncut depot
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just slap a content warning somewhere its fine

fresh mulch
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true

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hmm thoughts?

patra: 12 sp, cures dizzy/forget/hunger/sleep, removes debuffs
baisudi: 16 sp, cures burn/freeze/shock, heals target by 50% of their max HP
energy drop: 14 sp, cures downed, cures Rage/Despair/Brainwash/Confuse/Fear, increases target's crit rate by 7%
amrita drop: 18 sp, cures all non-special ailments

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any of these effects only apply to the targeted ally

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hmm maybe baisudi can get the down cure, energy drop already has plenty enough reason to be with you just by the strong ailments it cures

fresh mulch
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tetraja and rebellion/revolution will be buffed in other ways to compensate energy shower having their effects (they needed to be buffed anyway, since they are kinda terrible in the action economy department)

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i think having useful effects (dekunda, fixed % healing, and crit rate + instakill shield) tied to skills that can cure a few of status effects as well will just increase the skill expression

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instead of carrying around niche effects that occupy a whole skill slot

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talking about it, dekunda at least will need a bit more to compete with me patra here

fresh mulch
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(speaking as someone that only plays the retro singleplayer games lol)

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welp its getting late. will probably finish the necessary basics and test drive this new combast system to see if it holds up tomorrow

strong moat
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my opinion: patra is probably the most useful skill of these in early game. (amrita drop is not an early game skill, we can ignore that)

with that in mind I kinda feel like patra becomes rather strong here even considering the increased SP cost. me patra would directly conflict with dekunda too (this is bad)
baisudi doing 50% heal is too strong. if it cured down I think that would be fine.
energy drop increasing crit rate is only useful for phys party members and it feels a bit random too.

honestly all of these are early game skills, I understand they quickly become too niche and I am not against giving them secondary effects but you do have to be careful with them too

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fucking double tap reacts...

fresh mulch
fresh mulch
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thematically, energy drop would be revitalizing your spirit, so increased crit rate(the ik shield is mostly a last minute addition lmao)

strong moat
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well what if I decided to not build my party members as crit bc they were better suited as magic for example

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what are your options to cure or avoid ailments in battle rn? since you removed some options altogether

fresh mulch
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also, your party members have their own ailment affinities

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some armor will null certain ailments, weapons, etc

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im just rewarding more planning rather than tanking ailments headon like in vanilla

fresh mulch
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welp, i have a whole night's rest to sit on this and see if there are better things i can comeup with

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and if i do proceed with dekunda patra, then i'll also redesign dekunda and dekaja to see if those would work

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btw IK shields are very useful here, since enemies will be spamming hama/mudo (that have been buffed as well)

strong moat
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cuz that's what I'm hearing

fresh mulch
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they are just more flexible, but for example, ryuji is not a good magic caster

strong moat
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well for example you're saying everyone works well with phys/gun

fresh mulch
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yes, well. ann has multiple ways to inflict ailments while also fishing for crits in phys and gun skills, but she'll not hit as hard as ryuji's ungabunga big phys

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yusuke will be a jack of all trades more offensivelly, while makoto is a jack of all trades more defensively

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mona is the healer and crit spammer, only sumi has higher luck

strong moat
fresh mulch
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yes. i decided that i'll not be substituting every item skill

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leave stuff for weaker things like soda

strong moat
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cuz honestly I would probably just use items lol

fresh mulch
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well that's the problem aint it. thats one of the goals in having these have actually useful effects after all

strong moat
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I think then the issue you run into is that you use the items primarily for their secondary effects with the primary intended role (ailment curing) becoming secondary

fresh mulch
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yeah i dont think i'll have patra/baisudi/energy items anymore

strong moat
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like for example, 50% curing is pretty strong, why would I use dedicated healing skills or items when I can just use an anti ailment skill

fresh mulch
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i have more skill slots than i thought i needed. i scrapped that idea

strong moat
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the only reason I could think of is SP economy

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but 50% is pretty strong

fresh mulch
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eh 50% is very relative. it has two problems:

  • can't heal more than 50%
  • using it to heal characters like ann is very inefficient, since they have the lowest hp stat, while it is better used to heal high hp characters like ryuji
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or you'd think 33% is better?

fresh mulch
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(btw baisudi will be more present at madarame for joker. it is exclusive to ryuji for a while, and he doesnt have the best sp to abuse it)

strong moat
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think about when you get it really

fresh mulch
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fine. but legitimally i havent had any issues with it feeling op(maybe because it is stuck on ryuji)

strong moat
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I think the main balancing factor is that SP cost but the skill is basically relevant all the way until you get diarahan

fresh mulch
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that was the idea at least

strong moat
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there's going to be a few points where your healing skills will probably heal around 50% or greater but while it won't be a spammed skill due to the cost it will still be a lot stronger than it probably should be.

I would use that for healing period, the ailment cure is a bonus. also if I wanted to cure the ailment it would be really annoying to have to spend 16 SP if I don't need the HP heal too at the same time

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my opinion? drop the cost, drop the healing effectiveness

fresh mulch
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i mean yeah i designed for it to be used mostly as a healing skill

strong moat
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sure 33% then

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25% feels awful

strong moat
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at 50% it's a skill I think I would be using regularly for strong enemies

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rather than my dedicated dia skills

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also the idea of healer Ryuji feels. really weird lol

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really really weird

fresh mulch
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he can only heal one specific way and you do not wanna use most of his sp for that

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the point is for it to be a backup option on him

strong moat
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the more I think about it the more I think that maybe 50% isn't as broken as it seemed but I do still think it's very strong. maybe do some play testing and see what works best

fresh mulch
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well, at kamoshida 50% feels fine, but i'll see 33%

strong moat
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just its relevance throughout the game is the reason why I'm like mmmmmm idk

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and then if I am in a position where I want to cure baisudi stuff but I don't need the 50% heal, 16 SP hurts

fresh mulch
strong moat
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well there's something you can do about that technically lmao it's more than that's not your design philosophy (which is fine)

fresh mulch
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i just dont see why i have to follow what vanilla set their movesets to be

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like, sorry but vanilla party members are super boring

strong moat
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honestly I think my issue with vanilla party members is that they all kinda follow a similar template with few changes. they all get ma-dynes of their specific element and then whatever specialization

fresh mulch
strong moat
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like literally look at p3/4 and it's like this is so much more interesting

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Chie only gets weak magic for example. you have to go out of your way to get bufudyne on her and it's gonna be ass anyways so why bother. she never gets mabufula or ma-dyne

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most of the P5 characters also get boost + amp for their respective magic skills

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lame

fresh mulch
strong moat
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furthermore I think the fact that you can just cover weaknesses of party members (not elemental weaknesses, archetypal) by just. getting accessories or going to the jazz jin or whatever is so so lame

fresh mulch
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wait you can cover weakness in jazz club?

strong moat
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see the thing in parentheses but I don't think you can cover elemental weaknesses

fresh mulch
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oh the passives to half sp and hp costs...

strong moat
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like, idk think about vanilla balance for a second here

fresh mulch
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they do not help on the boring moveset department

strong moat
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should Ann ever get access to gods hand?

fresh mulch
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no and she wont

strong moat
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I think not, but P5R thinks yes

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furthermore due to the ability to boost stats permanently in p5r, gods hand is her best single target skill

fresh mulch
strong moat
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yeah you are but a gods hand equip is pretty nice lol

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so it's just things like that where I'm like ??????

fresh mulch
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on ann tho

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i mean, on my ann probably, she actually has decent str

strong moat
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now Ann's vanilla design, ignoring factors like magic falling off or level, etc: she's built as a mage who also has a secondary role as an ailment dealer/healer

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I think she's roughly fine, I'd probably try to keep her ailments relevant but Persona in general kinda struggles with that one. her biggest weakness besides ice is that you only have 4 tiers of magic (one of which sucks ass in this game) and then boost + amp

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and they're all kinda samey as you know. a single target and a multi target skill that hits once with high accuracy

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now you could say, ok, let's go bring in some interesting skills from SMT, but honestly such a design on Ann isn't as offensive to me as what they do with Ryuji for example. why does he get ma-dynes????

fresh mulch
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ryuji actually fits madynes if you take it as him having little control, but then he shouldnt get the single target versions past zio

strong moat
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point is moreso he just gets the same magic as Ann up until tier 4

fresh mulch
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yeah that is pretty boring

strong moat
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Ann gets only two unique skills. aoe severe (it's not severe but whatever) and amp

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ok then why wouldn't I just bench Ann and use magic Ryuji

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(hint: there is no good reason to keep Ann outside of early game. unless you like her, which is valid but also not relevant for balance discussions)

fresh mulch
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honestly, the levelup movesets will mostly be quite archetypical, but in an interesting way that plays to each characters' strengths. the weirder skills are parts of confidants/books

strong moat
fresh mulch
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i dont get the correlation there

strong moat
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if the game had press turn or the P3F AOE 1-more, it would be more of a downside

strong moat
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in modern persona outside of P3/P3F, AOE is generally going to be better outside of very niche situations that don't come up often

fresh mulch
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i just checked, and the only colossal str-scaling phys/gun skill ann should get without accessories is grand tack, if i even decide she should get that. the rest of her str skills are more tricky, ailment/crit inducing stuff (her other colossal gun skill, freikugel, is mag-based)

strong moat
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this is where I think it would be really nice if modern persona used the P3F 1-more system with AOE skills

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unfortunately, to do that I'm sure would require a lot of code CBT

strong moat
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honestly though I don't really understand why they changed it

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in P3 you actually had a reason to use your single target skills over AOE

fresh mulch
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the point is that im always thinking about how a skill ties back to the character, and they still have clear outlines of what they can learn. if anything they'll be more unique from each other than base p5 lol

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i also have materazio skills for str-scaling electricity, which will be ryuji's main focus tbh

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fox will be more storm themed, so he does end up learning a bit of zio

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anyway i'll think more throughly about the ailment-healing trio

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(after i sleep)

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i think my design philosophy has been quite consistently about increasing expression and options, rather than constrictive, set-in-stone simple systems

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tbh that is quite different from how smt usually does it. but if anything i think that's what makes exploring this new perspective more interesting, even if quite experimental

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i actually liked a lot when smt3 had some offensive mind and curse skills. it broke the formula just enough i found enjoyable

strong moat
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I think leaning into st/ma based skills like that should be interesting

fresh mulch
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so its not just 'repainted agi, but phys'

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im also justifying enough thematic diversity. fire is magna/agi, ice is bufu/aqua, electric is teraz/zio, wind and psy have limited str options and no str family, and nuke has frei/gry

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curse and bless have eiga and kouha being mag, but their strongest skills (divine judgement, abyssal wings, etc) swap to str

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finally, phys/gun have rare mag-scaling skills, but there's enough of them for diversity while not removing their identity

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(thematically, magna is more about magma/hell, while teraz is more about earth and nature. tera is earth in dds, and magna is earth in p2)

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I still dont know what fits best thematically

Ann learning agi line for the single target fire, and magna line for aoe fire
Or Ann learning the magna line for single target fire, and agi line for aoe fire RaidouThink

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(Gameplaywise, aoe magna justifies itself on ann more, since there isnt as much incentive to replace it with agi, but aoe agi plays onto ann's strongest stat more. Her str stat is still her second highest btw)

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Talking about stats, im on bed rn so i cant check, but iirc each pt's strongest stats is...
Ryuji: St > Ag > En
Mona: Ag > Ma > Lu
Ann: Ma > St > Ag
Yusuke: balanced in all except En
Makoto: balanced in all except luck
Haru: En > St > Ma (she's chunky)
Akechi: balance with focus on st/ma/ag
Sumi: balance with focus on ma/ag/lu
Futaba: 99 cuteness

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(Im just vagueling guessing)

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Anyway this is nerdy shit lets talk of the real pressing matter

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Good night

mellow pecan
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bgk is sleeping. Quick, post het without her knowing!

uncut depot
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none, junpei/chidori, but only because kannao is theories of nonbinary heterosexuality to me

fresh mulch
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Btw het is certified offtopic here

fresh mulch
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We just achieved an incredibly, hugely important, not at all frivolous monumental milestone of 20 femc reactions

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what if... investigation team but everyone is not of binary haha jk... unless...?

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Somewhat related. What if p5 makoto asked rei about the whole 'guy clothing' thing, and ended up learning about butch culture, and slowly taking a liking to it RaidouThink

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(I hate having to say p3/5 makoto. It sounds like 'sans undertale' or 'minecraft steve' 😭 )

uncut depot
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why i say bluekoto or minato pensivekechi

fresh mulch
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But what if someone thinks im talking of p3 when i say makoto, i'd need a nickname for her too

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Copkoto

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# fresh mulch
poll_question_text

how closely are you following this?

victor_answer_votes

5

total_votes

9

victor_answer_id

2

victor_answer_text

i know a bit / check sometimes

victor_answer_emoji_id

929268845112332288

victor_answer_emoji_name

jacksexohd

rare oriole
simple knoll
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oh god

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what's their ship name? oceankisser

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girlstuck

simple knoll
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idk why i first registeredyou as girlkisser. brain things

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anyway my favorite ehet ship of all time is

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i love them

uncut depot
fresh mulch
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🙄

fresh mulch
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Is it so hard to just... talk about this anywhere else?

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I am already bombarded enough with this just by existing. I'd like at least one place to retreat a bit and i dont think its unreasonable for me to want that to be my own mod thread

uncut depot
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||the joke is that beato is trans but i didnt want to say it because its part of the main mystery|| <== large umineko spoiler
ok /gen

fresh mulch
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Thank you

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Ugh the day didnt even start and my mood is already sour. Idk if i'm going to be able to go back to sleep

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Im not that much of a stickler but this just felt targeted(because it was)

fresh mulch
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Im just specially annoyed because of the poll. This shit is gonna be posted again automatically when it closes. Its spammy as hell and its the only thing i'd remove from here if i could

fresh mulch
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"you know what this very gay chat needs? heterosexuality that you can find literally anywhere else"

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sorry im still fucking pissed

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i'll be pivoting this back on topic right after this.
everywhere the eyes can fucking see, you can get het. you can talk about this literally anywhere, you can find people to talk about this literally anywhere, most media you'll ever consume in your lifetime will be about this
can't i be a fucking lesbian in goddamn peace in my own space? is it really that funny to purposefully post about something you know i'm not a fan of in my own damn chat? im not even that much against het, fuck, i play persona, so thats not the fucking issue in the first place.
its just, urgh. im so tired

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anyway, this is what i'll be going with for the ailment-cures

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i'll be testing this shortly

fresh mulch
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🤔 balanced?

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there are the cost-reducing traits to worry about...

fresh mulch
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the basic phys skills

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lunge represents the line of inaccurate, low crit phys skills with a lot of damage
headbutt represents the 'tamer' version of the lunge line, focused on increased consistency
dream fist represents the more punch-themed line(tho not strict to that), that focus on consistency and trickery like ailments or stat debuffs
lucky punch represents the low acc, guaranteed crit line
cleave represents the sword line, that consists of high crit rate skills
terror claw represents the claw line, which usually apply ailments and is buffed when surrounded
double fans represents the fang line, which are very consistent, high crit rate skills that decrease agility on hit and also are powered up if surrounded

fresh mulch
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and apologies for jumping to the worst interpretation

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the basic gun skills

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needle/arrows have high ailment and crit rates, but bad accuracy (they are the cheapest gun skills sp-wise too)
snap is the gun of the gun skills. the actual gun line all inflict burn or shock
cruel attack is part of the cruel attack(gun) > beatdown(phys) > vile assault(gun) line, and this one is representing the gun skills that cost HP (the other hp gun skills are all midgame ownwards)

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i think i got all the basics down? i should be able to start playtesting these changes soonish

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just have to edit the first party members, enemies and personas

fresh mulch
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🤔 the plan so far
also, for the story skills:
Snap for Ryuji after awakening battle, Frei for Ryuji after auto chariot Rank 1, and Eiha for Ryuji after auto Fool rank 1.
Tarukaja for mona after auto magician rank 1, and Concealment for Mona after Fool auto rank 2
Double Fangs for Ann after awakening battle, Psi for Ann after auto lovers rank 1, and Mazan for ann after the shadow ann fight

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ig i'll start with this first. then once i reach a good enough point i rework joker's personas and the enemies

fresh mulch
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have goat

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wait goat or sheep

fresh mulch
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the setup is complete

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(ignore the down shot. thats just filler)

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lets see how this fares against the perils of kamoshida's keep

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they should kiss

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||makoto wishes she was hit by ann's double fangs—||

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ngl zan is much stronger than i thought it would be

fresh mulch
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hopefully the mod page is out this month. i think im close to finishing the basics

fresh mulch
# fresh mulch
poll_question_text

Who's the big spoon?

victor_answer_votes

4

total_votes

7

victor_answer_id

1

victor_answer_text

ann

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btw im a big spoon

fresh mulch
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what a scrungly lil fella

grand cipher
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his name is galaxy destroyer.

he already destroyed 19 galaxies and 5 universes.

fresh mulch
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devourer*
devoured*

fresh mulch
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Morning to all gay people

fresh mulch
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i have to go back and 100% celeste one of these days

fresh mulch
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say what you will 'bout him, but this satan fella keeps his word

fresh mulch
potent geyser
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I need to know how to make that box bigger

fresh mulch
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its just a model

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i posted the file here somewhere

potent geyser
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Ahhhhh okay okay

fresh mulch
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you can easily edit with blender

potent geyser
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Awesome

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Does that mean

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The text skill effect too?

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Cause I need that badly

fresh mulch
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i havent tried. but its worth a shot

potent geyser
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Yes please

fresh mulch
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the problem would be the description in the battle screen tho

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idk if the wrap around is hardcoded

potent geyser
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Oh I was referring to

"
Attack down
"

When casting Tarunda

fresh mulch
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too big and it spills to the top left for some reason

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ooh

potent geyser
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Yes that one. The border hehe

fresh mulch
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it could be in this file. just have to find a similar shape

potent geyser
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Lemme know soon if you got it

fresh mulch
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nope, this is only for the status screen

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should be in the battle folder tho

fresh mulch
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well that's fitting

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must not... get... yuri...

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i have to finish the demo before anythingnaotoderp

fresh mulch
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not me trying to focus on the mod but having my attention everywhere else instead

fresh mulch
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my adhd testing was postponed naosmiley

fresh mulch
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okay it has been an actual struggle to focus today. i barely got anything done

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btw the docs will have this thing for you to see the actual data of any enemy by inputting their persona name

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fancy

fresh mulch
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the juvenile urge to just add one more letter here

fresh mulch
# fresh mulch btw the docs will have this thing for you to see the actual data of any enemy by...

might as well use this as an opportunity to elaborate on my design choices
why am i giving hidden modifiers that don't actually show in the game?
gun's 150% dmg bonus: gun skills cost SP here, so i want the player to feel good about using them on the first few enemies, so i made them vulnerable to gun without actually being weak to it (this is called: gaslighting /j).
curse 75% dmg, instead of 50%. to make hitting this resistance less punishing rn because we are quite early on and you barely have tools (you fight many jack o lanterns before you can fuse arsene for example)
confuse 75% modifier: garu skills now apply confuse, and i don't want the confuse rate to be too high from the garus you'll be using anyway
freeze and shock being about x2 times more likely: to give instant feedback early on and encourage fishing for these ailments by making the first few uses actually proc them often
in the same vein: bless being 125%. for players experimenting with hama at this point to be rewarded more often

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this will almost completely phase out once i get to the second palace. i just feel like this is necessary for better gamefeel early on

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the 125% almighty modifier: makes AOAs feel better, specially before you even get ann, and rewards the player for dealing neutral almighty hits

fresh mulch
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oh god i hate that if i want to see adult-only content on steam, i have to put up with hetslop on my front page 🫠

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thank you steam. very cool

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||this is really annoying me||

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everyone knows that adults that can handle adult-only topics all objectify women. there's no middle ground according to steam

fresh mulch
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(ryo vanished from the member list rip)

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i was thinking if there's anything about maruki that could be worked on

sharp yoke
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hetslop?

fresh mulch
fresh mulch
sharp yoke
fresh mulch
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99%

sharp yoke
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Unf, that's Japan

uncut depot
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i mean thats not unique to japan ppl just find it more cringe when its anime for whatever reason

fresh mulch
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honestly i find more cringe when its those poorly made 'realistic' models of completely disproportionate women

uncut depot
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understandable have a nice day

fresh mulch
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idk i felt that was a bit not that well executed

fresh mulch
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i know, rumi breaks up with maruki because she found herself a lesbian /j

sharp yoke
uncut depot
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i mean u could add like...stuff expanding her, like how she is outside of the whole plot thing or how she responds to having the delusion suddenly break, but i feel like the issue there is it risks becoming a plot tumor

fresh mulch
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last i heard, barbie didnt have giga bazoongas

sharp yoke
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Obv, but their legs are soo much longer than what is normally possible.

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Its just soo cursed

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Not to anime females with INSANE hourglass proportions… which is a whole other can of worms

sharp yoke
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I think someone accidentally used the Aspect ratio…

fresh mulch
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fors stuff more in the immediate future, is there much to change about madarame?

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kamoshida's changes here focused more on his different behavior towards rei compared to ren

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but im unsure if madarame has another angle for me to explore...

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also, is yusuke the last remaining disciple? i have always been confused about his home life actually

uncut depot
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yes

sharp yoke
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I would say there can be more scenes with Madarame and Yusuke.

But there's also Natsuhiko Nakanohara, the previous pupil that we fought his Shadow and then he told us about Madarame.

simple knoll
fresh mulch
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i have enough new yuri to last 3 whole days!!

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can you consider yuri an addiction when its just part of my sexuality

fresh mulch
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Hmmm talking of the sisters...

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I was thinking about my concept of adding birthdays to characters through the year

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Makoto's birthday could be in the period between madarame and kaneshiro, and that'd be another day were she's working herself to the bone as the prez all day. She goes back to the niijima residenc, and her sister is still out at work, and when she comes back, sae forgets about makoto's birthday

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I think could be an interesting way to explore more the core issues makoto faces, a few days before her awakening

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(Also im not a huge fan in how they handled sae getting angry at makoto and saying something bad? Like i dont remember exactly, but couldve been done less heavyhandedly i think)

fresh mulch
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Good night yall

grand cipher
fresh mulch
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Hm i have yet to like a way to refer to me. 'Girl' is terrible. Girlkisser is funny but not the best for every situation. 'Butch' is just... what 💀 (happened at least once). Butch is an adjective not a name (well, girlkisser is too...). Nothing from my @ handle works as well...

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GK is the closest, but it makes me feel like a bad british writer posting shitty takes on twitter

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Also, GK is confusing. How can you tell what it really means? ||What if someone mistakes it for gock kisse—||

||...would they be wrong?||

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Uh anyway

fresh mulch
grand cipher
fresh mulch
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Yeah so i think that could have had some more buildup or smth?

grand cipher
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We haven't really seen her past, so maybe try to make some up?

fresh mulch
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Would be best for the sae will see

grand cipher
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for THE sae? is sae just a animal?

fresh mulch
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Will seed*

fresh mulch
fresh mulch
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Yeah but not in this case

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GK Bowling: transwrongs_futaba rights are human rights

[Reply to:](#1440097821834612838 message) GK is the closest, ~~but it makes me feel like a bad british writer posting shitty takes on...

fresh mulch
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The good version

grand cipher
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I love trans bowling!

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Random thought but: full metal alchemist, but edward is an egg(it is now yuri)

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... How would the kids at the end work tho? I mean, i heard that E kinda screws over your uh... 'swimmers'. Lets put it that way

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Why i overthink so much

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Neglected birthday makoto

uncut depot
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"its magic i aint gotta explain shit"

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Equivalent exchange or whatever

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Cause i sure as heck dont

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I think my last birthday was legit in middle school

uncut depot
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i usually do a small thing with my mom, not like a party or anything

sharp yoke
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Yeah, I dont see the point in celebrating a birthday. Especially with regards to a subjective measurement of time like our Gregorian Calendar..

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Why celebrate one day? And not ALL of your life?

fresh mulch
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Cause a party every day would be tiring

sharp yoke
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I dont even mean a party

fresh mulch
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Idk i think i celebrate my life enough as is

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Not much

sharp yoke
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You will, one day.

Its like the quote by Mark Twain,

"There are two truly important days in your life. The day you are born, and the day you find out why."

fresh mulch
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I was born cause my parents banged

sharp yoke
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Mmk

uncut depot
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purpose is made up you gotta decide that shit for yourself adachi_true

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I'd probably have something of a party for my kids, but it'd be up to them if they want or not at the end of the day. I myself asked for no more parties to my parents

sharp yoke
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Glad you stepped up to it

fresh mulch
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I just know one thing: i'd never have a gender reveal party

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That shit is so stupid

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A bunch of grown ass people celebrating the downstairs configuration of an infant and assigning strict binary social roles before they even have a conscious mind

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i needed to vent sry

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the lady who started it was just happy to have babies that survived long enough to tell the sex after a string of miscarriages and then White Cishets™ had to ruin it pensivekechi
even she kinda cringes at what it became iirc one of her kids turned out to be nonbinary and she was cool with it

sharp yoke
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Let alone the ones that do craazy parties, even ones that have literally killed people

fresh mulch
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Well, have enough parties and eventually one will have a body count

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Just need a closed, flammable space

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Tho i imagine the idea is very old

mellow pecan
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The sex of your baby was very important through humanity after all (for dumb reasons)

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See the royalty

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uncut depot
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tbf for most of human history you couldnt tell the sex until after the baby crawled its ass out of the vagina

fresh mulch
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Yeah but you could still make it a secret. Its not like newborns look much gender after all

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🤔 now im wondering about how c sections were through history

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I imagine high mortality rate if ever attempted

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Do men still unironically compared kick-in-the-balls pain to childbirth pain?

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Okay now im really sleepy gn for reals

sharp yoke
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Gn

uncut depot
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i mean theres a plot point in macb*th about that :v

but also infant mortality in general used to be pretty bad so probably not if you could help it before modern medical science

trim onyx
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Guess it is morning

simple knoll
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it's morning here

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I slept like 16 hours lol

fresh mulch
simple knoll
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I did a lot yesterday and also did not get much sleep that night before

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man, take your time sure takes its time loading

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best girl is done

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(they still have the old descriptions 'cause i havent retouched them)

grand cipher
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she's blind

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the duality

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and the cycle of either working all day or being distracted all day continues pensivekechi

trim onyx
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Happy valentines

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I've spent it alone 🙂

trim onyx
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Well happy Val to you too

fresh mulch
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May this year have a bountiful harvest of yuri

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Man, events like valentine's will be miserable to make to accomodate a varying-length polycule

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It is possible without creating a version for each tho. But if i want more character interaction, it'll be even more complexity on top

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Well, i have more than enough time until our first 'date' event. And the player shouldnt be able to date anyone by that point anyway

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Ig i'll have the beach trip be about choosing a friend to spend time with instead

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Operation babe hunt will be eradicated here. Sorry not sorry(doesnt even make sense here in the first place)

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The hawaii trip is right before okumura's?

worthy sage
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yo it's been a while since I checked in on this, what palace are we on?

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Kamoshida lmao

worthy sage
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LOL?

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Yeah im changing basically everything

worthy sage
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it's been a while since I checked in I thought we would've been on Sae or smth lol

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Dont expect to be done soon

worthy sage
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speedrun trust /j

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# fresh mulch Ig i'll have the beach trip be about choosing a friend to spend time with instea...

If i were to guestimate the interactions based on pure vibes my plans for the slink timegates...

Ann & Makoto: both at once || naotoflushed ||. They are dating, and they still haven't thought about poly stuff. so you'll be kind of a third wheel here lmao (tho, maybe makoto might need to step away for a bit to deal with prez things, and you can choose to either stay with ann or help makoto out? Would be interesting)

Haru: this'll probably be close to when she confesses her feelings in the story, so probably a bit flirty and awkward

Ryuji and Yusuke: shenanigans

Kawakami: probably only available after a certain point in the slink? She'd be probably dating Takemi here, from one of her confidant ranks (not to mention that she's in teacher mode rn), so mayne just hanging out and chatting (while kawakami wonders why are you not hanging out with friends your age, like sakamoto or takamaki)

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Wait, could you spend time with the shogi girl here?

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She's in yusuke's high school right

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(Originally haru was not here yet so im sure you couldnt spend time with her. Now she's present through the entire story, so...)

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Oh yeah, hanging out with 'kasumi' would also be interesting

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hmm i still dont know what i have planned for her 🤔

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next valentines i'll kiss a girl trust

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holy shit its late. gn

uncut depot
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"Sorry... But I'm a lesbian, Harold—"
"Phew! That's a relief."
"what"

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~~ Also, damn. Congrats on the transition naotoflushed ~~

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plot twist, hes just mad that everyone sucks at bottoming

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/j obviously

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yeah, these bottoms suck

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|| MakotoSmirk ||

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hmmm once i finish recharging, i should probably do an overhaul of the ai code

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ideally i'd have a common flowscript that every ai takes from

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this way i should be able to easily update my custom logic across all enemies as well

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one thing that im still unsure of is how 'dumb' should the ai of common enemies be, and how 'smart'?

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i guess i can also use that as an opportunity to be able to have different 'levels' of ai i can just quickly set in their init

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ig it'd be best to have enemies that appear in 'swarms' to have low levels of ai, but those that generally only have 1 or 2 of per encounter to have higher ai

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🤔 should every level of ai have a 'blunder' chance tho...?

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what im doing rn is that there are chances that the ai will just target jonke no matter if there are better option, which can be good or bad depending on the situation

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i think i like this? maybe low level ai has a chance to just target at random, and med or higher substitute that for a joker chance? (so swarms of low level ais dont just, instakill you lol)

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hmmm much to think about... much to think about...

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simple knoll
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ai somnium files mentioned

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(ngl this is a mouthful)

strong moat
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aitsf mentioned!!

sharp yoke
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Good shit

fresh mulch
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btw i love women

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Hmmm for the possible future server of my stuff(which would include this mod), i should probably find a discord alternative if they go through the age id thing

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Idk how much that would affect the server tho

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Like, i want it to be adults-only, but i maybe shouldn't need to set everything to that? Just have it in the rules? Idk

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Holy shit its late

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Good night futabottom s

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Morning tops

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Hm i wonder if i wasnt in my pyjamas all day i'd be able to focus more on this 🤔

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I heard about how this can influence your mindset for work or smth

charred delta
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next month

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simple knoll
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I started playing a few months ago and now I'm obsessed NecoArcHehe

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I got taken in by those "$8 for kaname date" posts and then I bought the other 2 during the recent sale

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I did after learning about this being the most recent game by the writer of 999/zero escape series

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I wanted to support him because i liked the series but their sales haven't gone well

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This was back when there was only 1 somnium

strong moat
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it's peak

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sorry you had to meet kaname date though

simple knoll
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I love my mentally ill son

strong moat
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he's so normal...

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my friends were surprised to find that date was my favorite character lol, they assumed it would be iris because I like rise

simple knoll
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iris is cute but I always found her overbearing

fresh mulch
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it's very much not

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it's written by kodaka (danganronpa writer) but it's nothing like danganronpa

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and it's very much both kodaka and uchikoshi's brain child

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Eh i have a lot of stuff in my backlog, and like fantasio i wont give something im unsure of a chance because i have a bazillion other games to do

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my understanding of 100line from my friends who have more of this sort of VN experience is that 100line leans more kodaka than uchikoshi... game is long as hell anyways

strong moat
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might have to replay the original one day 'cause i forgot most of the specifics

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I only played ai1 once but I've experienced it many many times through other people's playthroughs

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conforitalbal

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ngl designing a persona, then its enemy version, feels quite cumbersome. i wonder if first designing a range of personas, then the enemies feels better

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they are quite different, so ping-ponging between them can get confusing ig

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i already did up to pixie. i think stopping at mermaid is a good call for now

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btw is there any reason why bicorn is 'wind'????

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it feels there just for the sake of having wind somewhere ngl

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and like, kelpie is two levels later anyway

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the elemental distribution at the start in general is terrible holy

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base p5 didnt have cait sith and saki mitama im pretty sure

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at least with cait they used that to give us an agi option besides level 2 jacko

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cait sith it didnt idr with saki mitama

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oh p5 has the mitamas

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ig i got confused because they moved kushi mitama to councillor

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holy shit phoenix was hierophant in base p5

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why i thought it was originally sun?

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damn, surt was level 59 in og

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in royal its 83

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in general they seemed to have risen the level of the top personas

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'yo my dawg pulled a mandrake and he didnt die'
'must've been a fake mandrake'
'understandable'

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funny how easily verifiable some of the ~spoopy~ folklore is, but ig no one wanted to try it

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theres a whole joke in dunmeshi about this where marcille learned the thing with the dog but never tried it because she felt bad for the dog lol, and also its not even the only way to harvest them in dunmeshi you can just behead them before picking (or have some random monster do it)

(btw since were in the yuri thread--)

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I know nothing about dunmeshi but the yuri shipping

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Light is out so i cant work naosmiley

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Uhh remember to hydrate every day or smth

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Omg im just thinking of a possible adorable interaction in a pq2 mod in this au

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Transfem futaba and transfem ken friendship

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The more i think about it the more i like the ken idea i wanna adopt her

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Read the comment literally on top of this one

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(why some cats do this 💀 )

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blep

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and the comment says transform futaba and ken relationship for q2.

then you saying I like the ken idea I wanna adpot her, making it sound like your calling ken a her

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how did you read transform

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oh transfem

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i was at work leave me alone. >:3

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why do cat faces sometimes look uncanningly human

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oh well, tomorrow i'll continue

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good night home of sexuals

fresh mulch
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Stupid... hormones, or smth

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Mornin. May today be a yuriful day

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(Amd may i actually do something for once)

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uy78888888888888888888 n bp-[ml,

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thanks cat

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I had a feeling

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... why is @ called an 'at' sign, when its more like an 'a' being devoured by a 'C'

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how about we call it a Ca sign

strong moat
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kiby just wants to feel included uwu

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trans bullet

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bottom text

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(phys weakness now doesnt take extra damage. the weakness part is just for downing and baton pass purposes. i'll be testing to see how i feel about it)

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btw arent techs and crits overridden by weakness?

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They are yeah

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so naturally in vanilla, being weak to an element already makes you take less damage from crit/tech focused builds lol

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weakness is 125%

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@potent geyser did you ever port Erthys/Aeros/Aquans/Flaemis to p5? judging by the p5r2 documentation, i assume that's a 'no'?

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ig i can learn a bit of smt5 modding, since their models are there

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eeeww ptcg pocket

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never ask me whats wrong with that game, i will yap

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(i didnt see the caption at the bottom wtf 😭 )

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relatable

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every cow tit i touch turns the milk impure ig pensivekechi

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this sounds stupid even for its time but what would i know

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the compendium entries for agathion only ever mentions it being a term for familiars, so idk where they got this inspiration from

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i have a feeling this is just a coincidence because they use the same name

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bruh this demon only showed in the raidou games, smt4 and persona q (which are png games so they have more demons anyway), demikids, then desu 2, persona 1 and 2, and finally, persona 5 ig
honestly, i think smt5 only has agathion because p5 (same with cait sith)

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it feels more of an staple than it actually is lol

grand cipher
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what are other randomass demons that p5 brought back because they were in p1 and 2 that are not smt staples?

fresh mulch
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btw should i fix the hermit slink by making 'maya' actually jun, and the ||teacher|| is just a fushoji? /hj

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p2 has agi/dormina/rakukaja/dia
raidou has zio
p5's has zio/rakukaja/dia

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i think p5 even influenced the raidou remaster, since they gave it patra there

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smt5 has zio/dia/sukukaja, so i'd say that p5 influenced agathion's depiction there too

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number of people that care about any of this: 1

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oh its late

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gn

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atleast you MADE progress.

my only "progress" was showing off dialogue I made yesterday!

mellow pecan
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good to know

uncut depot
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average ai advice

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Reminds me of the one that says you should eat 10 grams of rocks a day.

fresh mulch
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wait you dont?

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You don’t?

potent geyser
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But yeah it's easy to port hehe

fresh mulch
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epl?

potent geyser
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The particle effect

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Like fire, Light

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For example

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hell biker has fire on wheels

potent geyser
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Sati as fire on her own body

fresh mulch
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is it difficult?

potent geyser
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Model alone doesn't have that EPL

potent geyser
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Already have the tutorial on it

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You can take a look

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The only problem is

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I don't think there's a Water, thunder, Wind EPL in p5r

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I only see Fire and Light EPL

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Fire from Baphomet

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Light from Horus

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smt5 doesnt use epl?

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No I'm afraid not

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Different engine

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Ahhhh

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Thunderbird has Thunder epl

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So that leaves Water and Wind

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ig worse comes to worst its fine to not have them

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But it's very possible to create custom EPL

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@rain locust created it from scratch using p5 emulator beta

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i've heard of smth like that

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honestly im more interested in how one would make a .bed for the skill animations

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Mornin

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yo

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hey guys i got this new anime plot. basically theres this high school girl except shes got huge boobs. i mean some serious honkers. a real set of badonkers. packin some dobonhonkeros. massive dohoonkabhankoloos. big old tonhongerekoogers
and then, a transfer student shows up one day with even bigger bonkhonagahoogs. humungous hungolomghnonoloughongous

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that one good omens meme voice yeah yeah the dobonhonkeroos copypasta weve all seen it

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i wish i could've seen the dobonhonkeroos pensivekechi

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guys i swear that metric aint that hard

mighty condor
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thats the project obviously

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early psi (pixie already gave us both zio AND dia, so agathion feels redundant in vanilla)

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agathion feels so pointless and a waste of an arsene in vanilla

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pixie already gave you dia
baisudi in vanilla is straightup useless 99% of the time
the next skill you learn is... lunge? oh wait bicorn already learns lunge natively