[P5R PC] Take Your Time | [FEMC & Yuri] Story and Gameplay Overhaul

[fresh mulch]

holy

[strong moat]

so that's what I think of when I think of spite

[lunar vector]

I still think about that "THE KNOWLEDGE DIES WITH ME" tantrum all the time.

[fresh mulch]

this already looks more unhinged than i thought it would be

[lunar vector]

It was, uh. Wild stuff.

[strong moat]

the FEMC project is also a good example of spite even if it's on a much larger scale but that's moreso responding to the exclusion of a highly requested and beloved character and route.

with episode aigis they actively butchered that shit

so it's like ok well I don't even want to attempt to fix this

ykwim?

[fresh mulch]

so what you are saying, is that if episode aigis wasnt made, you'd work on the answer reloaded? ||/j||

[strong moat]

I'd certainly try to!

probably

[fresh mulch]

how many new assets that'd take

[strong moat]

oh yeah that was funny as hell

[strong moat]

yeah that's the main thing lol

basically I think the moral of the story with episode aigis is this

if you have content that has promising writing but also has some other issues

double down on the good writing. go focus on the other actual issues.

don't try bandaid fixes because it's just gonna make things worse

[fresh mulch]

that is one of the many things that the people that use modders as an example of devs being lazy miss

[strong moat]

yeah FEMC team is pretty large yet having to work within the confines of the game and also asset creation is pretty difficult as it turns out

[fresh mulch]

who would've thunk

[strong moat]

now tbf the devs have extra resources but they also have budgets and deadlines to worry about

[fresh mulch]

they cant exactly work for free on a passion project after all

[strong moat]

I think also, too easily giving into feedback from illiterate players is just going to lead to your content being watered down

like. yes. yukari is a bitch, she's regressed, she's an asshole, she's in the wrong

whatever

(ok she's not actually a bitch but ykwim)

the story does all that intentionally though and it's done really well because it's framed as being in the context of extreme grief

like man the person she loved (not just as a friend) is dead and she never really got to say goodbye. that sort of grief is overwhelming

I'm just explaining the plot of the answer bc this is exactly what episode aigis backs up on

[fresh mulch]

if they say that yukari is a bitch, then im a proud bitch

love women that take no shits

[strong moat]

like they just 180 and it ends up being insultingly bad

people will be oh she tried to end the world for this and it's like yeah???? have you ever lost someone you loved before???????

[fresh mulch]

tbf you are asking for empathy here

[strong moat]

I mean the mindset of fans was frustrating but it's infinitely more frustrating that they gave in because what they gave us was dogshit

[fresh mulch]

i mean, its not like she was 'mwahaha i will destroy the world' anyway (the specifics tho are foggy for me because it has been a decade)

[strong moat]

she's not, she's basically like, I'll risk us having to fight nyx again for a chance to see him again and save him

[fresh mulch]

yeah that's what i thought

[strong moat]

the other thing is that in their bastardization of the story they also really felt the need to try to spell out the characters emotions so their points were more easily understood

it's really odd

[fresh mulch]

sounds very reasonable if you want are grieving a lot. heck, if she had succeeded in that then the fans would have a way more different opinion of her (but thankfully p3 didnt go that way)

[strong moat]

it leads to some of the most unnatural dialogue to ever hit a persona game

[fresh mulch]

many stories have characters irrationally doing things like yukari did, the difference is that they often succeed anyway

[strong moat]

imagine you're feeling this way, you just lost someone you really cared about and loved

and someone tries to talk down to you and is like well you just need to move on, stop being so sad about it

what's your response?

is your response "I'm not saying I'm objectively right or anything, but we don't have time to keep talking."

because that's what episode aigis reload does!!!!

and you know what, maybe you're like, well that dialogue is optional anyways, you have to go out of your way to see it

[fresh mulch]

im trying to find that image of yukari flipping the bird but no luck

[strong moat]

1. dumb argument, it's still there
2. what about this banger of a line

[fresh mulch]

beep boop

[uncut depot]

therapy speak......

[strong moat]

I hope it's starting to become more and more clear why I despise this dogshit expansion

[strong moat]

THIS THIS THIS TOO
MAKE YOUR CHARACTERS SOUND NATURAL PLEASE, THERAPY SPEAK IS SO BAD FOR CHARACTER WRITING LIKE THIS

[fresh mulch]

p3r but i make yukari truly bitchy out of spite and she'll be fecking awesome

[uncut depot]

lmao

[fresh mulch]

slay queen 💅

[strong moat]

there's another reason it's so difficult to make a mod to fix EPA writing btw

[fresh mulch]

whene did this start appearing in non-fanfic media

[strong moat]

actually 2 reasons

1. it's not just Yukari who's bastardized, she's just the worst offender bc of how significant her writing is in the original answer
2. you have voiced dialogue to deal with. good luck!!!

[fresh mulch]

just dont have the voiced dialogue duh

i mean its what i do

[strong moat]

like fuck man, even koromaru is written worse

the fucking dog who doesn't talk

[fresh mulch]

how is a dog written worse

does he break into therapy speak too?

[strong moat]

it's because Junpei is bastardized

and thus koromaru's decision to join reads less like koromaru has decided to join who he seems to be the most rational member of the group, and more like, oh I guess Junpei doesn't have anyone to go along with him :( I guess I'll join him bc the plot demands it

or maybe, koromaru likes men that can't be assertive and a strong voice of reason

[fresh mulch]

is koromaru gay now

https://tenor.com/view/dog-i-know-what-you-are-peekabu-peek-abu-abu-gif-4954251125283307217

[strong moat]

the dynamics in the original answer are:

• yukari and mitsuru. yukari is determined to do what she can to see Makoto again, Mitsuru wants to support her however she can
• Junpei and koromaru. junpei asserts himself as a voice of reason and his priority is to calm everyone down and take the keys to make a rational decision.
• Akihiko and Ken. they are both very eager to move forward without dwelling on the past or their emotions
• Aigis and Metis. Aigis doesn't know what to do next but eventually comes to realize there is another option.

in Reload it's:

• Yukari and Mitsuru. Yukari doesn't think she's objectively right but still wants the keys anyways. she thinks the rest of the team can't recognize their own feelings
• Junpei and koromaru. junpei is unsure of how to resolve tensions and is like (guys please stop fighting........ please.........). he doesn't really know what to do otherwise. koromaru inexplicably joins him.
• Ken and Akihiko largely retain the same reasoning although Akihiko tries to be like a parent to Yukari for some reason.
• aigis and Metis are largely the same.

I'm just not really sure what their goal was with Reload's version. it feels like they wanted to keep the fights while reducing the tension between the gang? 😭😭

[fresh mulch]

i honestly wouldnt trust the average persona fan to properly write yukari

[fresh mulch]

so by what you said, it seems like they basically sanitized a plot about grief?

[uncut depot]

junpeitrue

vencored fakenitro are you ok

akechi

balls

[fresh mulch]

im confused

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/oomfie-madoka-puella-magi-madoka-magica-bestie-anime-gif-22657413

why did this not embed

here we go

[uncut depot]

madohomu 🔥

[fresh mulch]

here you see two wild lesbians scenting their partner

🤔 what are thse icons even supposed to represent

ig its just 'eh, looks supporty enough'

[rare oriole]

movie is definitely, for sure, absolutely coming out this year trust

[fresh mulch]

hmmm maybe i should watch magoka madica

(i heard that there isnt that much actual yuri in the show tho?)

well this is a sentence

-# (wikipedia's article on smt devil children btw)

https://tenor.com/view/jack-frost-smt-frostnite-demikids-happy-gif-21593992

[rare oriole]

more of a one sided crush/obsession subtext, in the show at least

[uncut depot]

also whatever sayaka and kyoko have going on

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/kyosaya-kyokosakura-kyoko-sayakamiki-sayaka-gif-15586155021588850285

there isnt much of them on tenor

???

'he is known to help law-abiding citizens' what

honestly this description in general is atrocious

ugh ive been trying to find where this text box is in the files so i can edit it to be wider

[fresh mulch]

there's something really ironic here, specially coming from p5 lmao

oh and carmen's description straightup has a slur

surprised that stayed through the many versions tbh

also part of carmen's description

just.. what?????????????????

[grand cipher]

Have you tried CriFileSystem?

[fresh mulch]

it def looks like there was absolutely zero quality assurance in these descriptions, specially with how they often contradict the game's own themes

[grand cipher]

if that doesn't work then prob hardcoded or smth idk

[uncut depot]

i assumed she meant the textbox itself rather than the descriptions lol

[fresh mulch]

yeah i need a bigger text box here

[grand cipher]

Yeah, Crifilesystem for the textbox. If it doesn't show it, then prob hardcoded

[fresh mulch]

im confused? you talking of the cpk extractor?

[grand cipher]

thats Crifslib.

[uncut depot]

what difference does that make
theyre just programs for reading/grabbing shit from criware archives, except that crifsv2lib is better at it

[fresh mulch]

how will this help me find the files?

[grand cipher]

cri filesystem shows the locations of things loaded in at the time.

[fresh mulch]

oh really

~~no binder? 🥺 ~~

[uncut depot]

if its just a dds i should have it extracted actually since i have a dump of all (english) p5r pc files, but ive not rly looked at ui elements so idk where itd be

[fresh mulch]

there is a chance it can be a 3d model but why would it be since you can only see it in this very fixed 2d window

[fresh mulch]

in general it looks like the tiny text box is a big culprit in how badly written they are

there is only so much you can put there

meanwhile smt5's novels:

huh this is... actually not bad

and it encapsulates the ties of cendrillon to sumi well

[grand cipher]

I'm not good at descriptions but I managed to put all of this for a custom persona

but I agree with ya about the space issue.

[fresh mulch]

uh its not appearing

[grand cipher]

It's gotta be somewhere in that mess

like if you scroll above

[fresh mulch]

yeah some ui stuff could probably been registered very early

[grand cipher]

Try to help when I can and half the time it's wrong and the other, it makes people search for shit thats prob not even there. TwT

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/mine-animal-pet-dog-cat-gif-5612364

[grand cipher]

hm....now I guess I should make the choice of continuing with my mod or just....not. doing it

[fresh mulch]

gotcha bitch

[grand cipher]

aye awesome. where was it?

also of course it's JP text

[fresh mulch]

PERSONA_STATUS_LINE.PLG in the base init

[grand cipher]

.....why didn't I think thats where it'd be. .-.

[fresh mulch]

hmmm doesnt seem to have done anything

well its because the export didnt save the stretched thingie

how do i go abount increasing the size of the polys...?

well hm... im getting somewhere

where im getting? i have no idea

well thats extra big alright

[grand cipher]

This should be a mod by itself if you manage to get it just right. ^

[fresh mulch]

uhm im having difficulties with the white line

might be better to redo with a fresh file

honestly there shouldnt be a problem if the background box overrides a bit the model

its there for you to read after all

[simple knoll]

[n] my behated

[fresh mulch]

might be best to write a program to add a [n] every x amount of characters

[simple knoll]

that's actually a cool idea

you can write a quick python script

[fresh mulch]

the thing is that i did that. i mean i didnt gemini did

it was actually really helpful

but well, wouldnt work here

[simple knoll]

lmao dw i get chatgpt to write scripts for me all the time

[fresh mulch]

unironically the best use of ai

i have to learn to write html someday. it is actually really useful for these tools

[fresh mulch]

this if anyone needs it

[simple knoll]

ah a html script

[fresh mulch]

all you need is a browser

[simple knoll]

this is true

[fresh mulch]

because of that these should work on phones as well

i think we should use html more often

[simple knoll]

my brother likes web applications too

but i don't like them

i was using vesktop for a while, which is basically a fork of the discord web app, but it had elss features than the desktop app so i switched back. i just have to reinstall vencord every time the app updates ig

and that's something i always find

javascript/html apps always seem to have problems

[fresh mulch]

i just use discord on firefox

[simple knoll]

for stremio desktop app, there used to be a dll file you could drag into the files and it would have a discord rich presence, but that developer swtiched to using premid for stremio's web app instead. stremio's web app is slow and the subtitles are shit

i have straight up considered forking that repo to work on the stremio 5 desktop app since the old one was for stremio 4

i hold up a sign saying "i hate web and electron applications"

[fresh mulch]

another one was for a program to quickly generate blocks of hex code for the party members hp and sp per level

like, it would have been absolute hell otherwise

for some reason the values are explicitly set per each level

they dont use a formula

what the fuck

[sudden mist]

me who treats programming the same way artists treat art

[fresh mulch]

oh another thing. they also explicitly write the stat gains per level

they again dont use a formula, just 'this level x and y will increase by z'

it is so fucking stupid

[fresh mulch]

-# well i dont exactly have much time to learn how to do these things rn

[simple knoll]

i see programming as more of a skill than an art

also scripting and programming are different

[fresh mulch]

well programming can be art, just one that the end user will probably not see

[simple knoll]

lmao yeah

[fresh mulch]

bad enough programming can often be noticeable tho

[simple knoll]

i view an it worker who can write a python script to automate going through their excel files differently from a programmer making a whole new application

[grand cipher]

me.

[fresh mulch]

sometimes all you need is a specific tool for this specific job but no one has done one yet

i dont think its fair to ask someone to learn how to write a whole program just for that

[sudden mist]

in situations like that where it's a simple personal task I think it's fine to vibe code that
my issue comes from it's usage in complex libraries and applications especially if they're intended to be used by a lot of people

windows 11 recently is a good case of what not to do in production

[fresh mulch]

ive actually tried to 'vibe code' before mostly to see how well or badly it works. and from my experience, writing important stuff with ai sounds like an incredibly stupid idea

like it does the job fine but gosh you need a competent human (and at that point might as well have the human write the code anyway lmao)

[simple knoll]

the rise of vibe coding will destroy our infastructure

[fresh mulch]

the vibe code has risen, billions must fall

yknow, if the focus of ai was to facilitate rather than substitute, then maybe just maybe we wouldnt be having all these issues and the bubble wouldnt be about to pop

okay its finally looking good

[weary rapids]

Thats a lot of text

[fresh mulch]

btw just wanna say im a PRO GAMER girl

done. this is the file if anyone wants to extend the persona background info box. it goes in INIT

i could probably make a mod that adds smt5 descriptions to p5 with this

tho i have so much stuff i have to worry about rn i'll probably not do it

[fresh mulch]

im not sure if just the box is enough to qualify

its not like it being bigger by itself does anything

[fresh mulch]

humans have always been doing fanfiction huh

have we always been doing shipping wars too? 🤔

huh, this cover goes kinda hard, until you cant unsee that it looks like the shadowed guy is taking a piss

[fresh mulch]

i should probably update this for my new box length

buddy why did the thing make the comments so dramatic 😭

well thats simple enough at least

🤔 i wonder why arsene is weak to ice

maybe just to give a weakness that would be rare early game?

i bought the box so i'll be usin' the entire box goshdarnit

(the affinities are placeholders)

wherein your heart lies?

anyway— holy shit its way past midnight

good night home of sexuals

[uncut depot]

very slightly thinner

[simple knoll]

I think you can remove the anecdote about sherlock holmes and just leave "herlock sholmes" most people can figure it out intuitively

[charred delta]

sometimes he’s weak to it sometimes he’s not it’s so odd

p3r he isnt and i think strikers he isnt too

[fresh mulch]

probably yeah

[fresh mulch]

more slightly thinner?

[uncut depot]

yeah a bit, probably not to the point of cutting into the top line though

[fresh mulch]

man i havent even had my coffee yet

morning

[fresh mulch]

i have to mention lupin iii somewhere

[uncut depot]

there we go

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

in the game i often noticed ryuji a bit confused about concepts related to phantom thievery? even though he would probably have seen lupin iii?

like iirc its huge in japan

[fresh mulch]

welp, these are the default skill inheritances according to the persona's 'order'

the thing is that this is not set in stone. if i feel like it, some personas will have a more custom inheritance. tho that isnt a problem because you can see inheritance any time at the persona background box

another thing i'll use order for is for ailment affinities, but to avoid overwhelming i'll probably have each order have just about 1 weak and 1 resist (i think)

i'll also add "(order name)" at the beginning of an enemy's name so its not hidden info there

[fresh mulch]

🤔

honestly, if i could i would just make ailments character-specific, but the problem with that is that there would be no predictability for this. to do that i'd need to program some ui that shows ailment resistances on the info screen in the first place

btw
weak = +25%
resist = -33%
resist + resist = Null
Null = x0 (overrides everything to 0)

doesnt apply to judgement + mighty, those just add the resistance values (so both at once is 50% almighty resist)

[fresh mulch]

nice it works

(im testing strike order)

[fresh mulch]

i think this should be it?

im including the last skill a persona can learn in the 'ult'. i'll be having those be very late level skills as a bonus for grinding that specific persona

[mellow pecan]

Isn't Arsene french?

[fresh mulch]

is herlock sholmes french?

this is mostly about those stories (because they are the more famous)

but yes im pretty sure arsene is french

[fresh mulch]

the expel x2 basically means bless skills have double the odds of inflicting insta-death instead of the standard x1.25 (i think also any ailments a bless skill has? idk if the flag to double ailment odds is of the skill or the 'type' of ailment)

so something weak to bless should have about x2.5 odds of being killed by hama if they are dark or chaos

but in a similar vein, if you are weak to bless and is of light or law order, you are immune to the expel effect even though you have a weakness

[fresh mulch]

my eyes are a bit tired rn, is this easy to follow?

i generally like to use color for this stuff but this doesnt support them

[fresh mulch]

'that thing' is the image right above the poll

please give me your honest thoughts

[fresh mulch]

huh... did the fr*nch and brit*sh have beef with each other?

[mellow pecan]

Then why does the background say he stole to humble the vanity of England?

[fresh mulch]

i already says, sherlock holmes

i dont have much space to go into specifics

(this is mostly from an adventure game titled Sherlock Holmes Versus Arsène Lupin, i picked this in specific because it sounded the more interesting and what ties best to joker)

also an example of his good-intentioned crimes

i might specify that he once stole from england for that

keeps the themes without implying that's his whole shtick

hm holdon

even with the extra space i gave myself this is rough 😭

okay finally

i wish i had all the time in the world to actually read the books but life aint like that unfortunately

(plus i only read yuri )

but yeah feel free to call out when you see something wrong or just worded badly

[fresh mulch]

also, shocker. wind won in a persona server

[fresh mulch]

(there is something quite ironic about a 'Chaos Order'...)

[fresh mulch]

looks like only reload removes the ice weakness

alongside p5x

[weary rapids]

I thought they removed it in P5R

[fresh mulch]

why you thought that?

[weary rapids]

I never seen the ice weakness before playing the PS3 version

[fresh mulch]

hmmm the kindas are def a concern already. this needs to be very smooth to read, so this won't do

i think i could have a line of -----------------

[weary rapids]

It’s a lot of text man

[fresh mulch]

to separate the mechanical info and the lore

the way it is right now, it i kinda visually merges even if technically the contents are separate

[strong moat]

• that whole first line is confusing. I have no idea what it's trying to say
• maybe I'm missing something but expel?
• change incompatible. use something like "uninheritable" or "cannot inherit" or something (I prefer the 2nd personally)

[fresh mulch]

i see
expel is bless instakill. hama skills will use the word expel so there's no confusion
yeah fair

[strong moat]

actually it kinda reminds me of P1's analysis menu lol but P5 already has a good analysis menu. slightly redundant as a result but I suppose it doesn't hurt

[fresh mulch]

how do i say 'ultimate skill' without too many words 🤔

[fresh mulch]

well you see, the analysis menu doesnt show ailment affinities

and you can null instakill while being weak to the element

surprised there was no confusion over miracle tho

(im just calling healing skills that 'cause its cooler)

okay NOW it should be good?

the --------- line worked much better than i thought it would. you can barely see the seams (em dashes are more noticeable unfortunately)

omg i forgot the incompatible

[strong moat]

it doesn't but well it shows pretty much everything else. again I understand the need to be a bit redundant and I wish P5's menus showed that info

[strong moat]

it was a bit more clear in comparison bc expel/bless are easy to see as redundant names while miracle is distinct

[fresh mulch]

okay now, NOW it's good i hope

[fresh mulch]

well the expel thing will be consistent everywhere that has bless instakill so hopefully its not hard to catch on

death is curse ik

[strong moat]

honestly I would call it ultimate skill lol. that or signature skill but I think ultimate sounds better

(I also don't know how necessary that info is)

[fresh mulch]

its not that necessary because its like, +30 levels from base at best lmao

just want to show people what the persona will get last from the beginning

[strong moat]

but only some personas will have these signature skills right

[fresh mulch]

i want every persona to have them honestly, just as a little gift for grinding one out

they are not unique anyway

[strong moat]

I don't think that's a good idea

[fresh mulch]

eh its just one skill that you are clearly not supposed to get normally

[strong moat]

well I think it's acceptable with some personas that are more distinct

not every persona needs a signature skill and giving them high powered skills like that kinda discourages fusing

you don't want to discourage the main mechanic of megaten

cough cough P2IS cough cough P4G cough cough

[fresh mulch]

arsene is special because that one is level 81

generally it'll be heavy tiers

like idk Onmoraki's ultimate skill is mamudoon +30 levels from base (so ~40-50)

nothing too crazy but can still be helpful

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah 4g just lets you buy any card you registered right

that was a decision of all time

[strong moat]

no that's not really the issue with 4g

[fresh mulch]

oh really?

[strong moat]

shuffle time is the big issue

the ability to purchase skill cards honestly isn't tooooooo bad imo

[fresh mulch]

how easy it is to farm money again

[strong moat]

make them expensive enough and they're largely inaccessible anyways

not super super easy like p5r

[fresh mulch]

wasnt p5 also very easy?

i remember confusing that futaba slink ganesha boss to get max money

or was it hierophant

[strong moat]

the main way you'd farm money in P4G is with shuffle time money cards, which do boost your money but not by insane amounts

[strong moat]

P5R is a bit easier

but yeah

[fresh mulch]

ryuji momento

[strong moat]

actually it's yoshida in early game lol

just hold up an enemy and keep asking it for money

[fresh mulch]

counterpoint: neuron activation from gambling and feeling smart

[fresh mulch]

couldnt you also do that in og?

like you dont even have to get out of your way to do this. i remember doing it from time to time without really slowing me down

sun is a bit broken

[strong moat]

maybe og P5 has it I remember it being really silly in royal

[fresh mulch]

why tf is fundraising only level 3

[strong moat]

well it's really like. you can get the third strongest skill in the entire game on your starter persona without skill cards

and it will be stronger than any subsequent persona you fuse

[fresh mulch]

holy

[strong moat]

and its starting affinities are pretty good

[fresh mulch]

can you get debilitate

[strong moat]

who cares

you get early game marakunda

[fresh mulch]

i care 'cause p4 is a bitch with debilitate

[strong moat]

and marakukaja

but to answer your question, no, you need a skill card for that

or you can pass it on in fusion

the only weakness of Izanagi at that point (besides wind, which you can eventually patch with a skill card) is magic; it can only go up to mazio

[fresh mulch]

omg haleluja

[strong moat]

however you can just skill card that one too

[strong moat]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-4-teddie-67-67-meme-persona-gif-15995260812002811575

[fresh mulch]

you can register any skill card right? doesnt have to be from shuffle time?

[strong moat]

correct

[fresh mulch]

100%ing the skill card registry will be a pain...

[strong moat]

actually, getting other skill cards is not worth it in 99% of cases bc it uses a daytime slot

make it a nighttime slot and suddenly it becomes more appealing. but as it is it's too weak in p4g

spending an entire daytime slot to get one (1) skill card isn't worth it lmao

[fresh mulch]

p3 and p4 had an obsession with nothing to do at night for some reason

[strong moat]

untrue P4G has plenty to do at night

[fresh mulch]

yes but not enough

[strong moat]

I would say it's enough tbh

[fresh mulch]

i would say we need scooters at night it would be epic

[strong moat]

4.5 social links, social stat boosts/jobs, night time conversations

plenty of night time content there

[fresh mulch]

i barely did the nighttime conversations tbh

[strong moat]

you missed out

[fresh mulch]

specially once i maxed out a confidant

[strong moat]

those are some of the best parts of p4g

[fresh mulch]

i was on the sigma grindset sorry

wtf trumpeter in nocturne doesnt have debilitate??

i was mandelad

so apparently this is just a persona thing

holy downgrade (smt 4a left, smt 5 right)

i remember using evil melody in smt5 and like, it is not even that reliable lmao

hmmm i should maybe use the pq2 movesets as reference for the 'another story' personas i'll add

tho this arsene is kinda weaksauce

jonkle is easily one of the least interesting party members in q2 and you are forced to always bring him in risky. i wish the game let me just choose a leader between the mcs instead

i like yu just for swordbreaker and leg reaper alone honestly

lmao sired

is that what the youngins are calling it these days

[strong moat]

me too... I'm sorry but joker would not be the leader if I had a choice lol

this is another reason I fw q1 over q2

[fresh mulch]

rebel vanguard could at least extend one more turn smh

[strong moat]

well I think the reason for it is that you need to take advantage of turn order. jonkler casts it -> everyone uses their skills

[fresh mulch]

p4 designers: we are making our mc MANLY
me: lol he looks like a butch what if i...

[fresh mulch]

yeah but as it is its quite unflexible if you want to use joker for anything else

[strong moat]

I hate those double tap reactions

[strong moat]

each party member does ultimately fill a unique niche. you have sub personas to vary them a bit more if desired

[fresh mulch]

exactly and i wanna use that instead of rebel

it is fun tho to go all physical and spam rebel against a foe that cant dodge

oh yeah now that i have the Terazio skills to represent earth within the elec element, izanagi would be great for those

should he still have zio tho 🤔

okay this is interesting

apparently reload has different types of skill inheritance, like Elec A and Elec B

i havent played it yet, does the game talk about them?

[fresh mulch]

man, having a template for the skill inheritance ftd would be nice

i'd probably learn how to do them if i had time

i mean, this is still usable

[fresh mulch]

you know, joker could've been a good leader if he worked with ailments/binds

it both teaches the player what you should be using, while being really helpful by itself

sigh what couldve been...

if i do a pq2 mod i'll probably just do to scratch the rebalancing itch i have

im still ways away from any rewrites

man, makoto starts quite interesting with full throttle but then like... nothing

at the very least full throttle really facilitates her diarama/diarahan, but dont you eventually get a sub persona skill that basically has the same effects?

https://tenor.com/view/dog-funny-cat-wagging-tail-cute-gif-17418401

shadow of the colossus be like

[potent geyser]

what file is this?

so i can check if i have in my template collection

[fresh mulch]

the same one i asked last time

[potent geyser]

errr remind me hehe

[fresh mulch]

fclCombineSkillAffinity.ftd

[potent geyser]

ahhh

shit

well i have free time now

guess ill make one

but

did you happen to identify what hex is for what?

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

[fresh mulch]

basically every type is a 00 00 that when left like that, it cant inherit, and any number above 0 (like 1, 3, 10, etc) allows it to inherit

i dont remember if last time i tested i discovered or not if it influences stuff like gallows skill inheritance

[potent geyser]

hold on

this is about skill inheritance

correct?

[fresh mulch]

yes

we talked of this before

[potent geyser]

then i must disappoint you that this is not the correct file

skill inheritance is in SKILL.TBL

this one

[fresh mulch]

im not talking of the specific skills

im talking of the type of inheritance

[potent geyser]

ohhh

the type

[fresh mulch]

fire, curse, etc

[potent geyser]

the type

i see

[fresh mulch]

it has only 15 entries (for each type)

[potent geyser]

did you figure out each type value?

so ican make enum

[fresh mulch]

the persona tbl has the id for each inheritance type
the skill tbl has the id for each elemental type

(from tge)

[potent geyser]

ill check

one step at a time

[fresh mulch]

basically it goes from id 0 (phys) all the way to id 22 which im pretty sure i discovered is passives

[strong moat]

full throttle reads more as an offensive skill than anything else ngl

[fresh mulch]

it is great to hit a weakness and make that enemy act last

but it works better as support imo

[fresh mulch]

btw another reason rise is the goat

im just keeping fuuka for trash mobs

unfortunately bosses dont get knockeddown

[potent geyser]

like this?

[potent geyser]

Unless im wrong for the enum

[fresh mulch]

well the enums are for the inheritancetype[x]

these values are probably the weight used for random stuff

what matters is if the value is 0, it doesnt inherit that type

(i mean like this)

[potent geyser]

just need to see if this is correct or not

oh

i just saw the ss above

yeah i understand now

[fresh mulch]

better to not use an enum on the values, instead on the entry name

[potent geyser]

fixing it

[fresh mulch]

slightly less crude representation

[potent geyser]

this one right?

ignore the enum first

[fresh mulch]

yup looks about right

[potent geyser]

sweet

[potent geyser]

so if i change this to skill

i think it must not make sense

imo

[fresh mulch]

no its not skill related

[potent geyser]

i think it's % Based?

[fresh mulch]

im pretty sure its just weight for something random

[potent geyser]

like how high or low that type dominant is likely to inherit?

i see i see

then enum is skipped

[fresh mulch]

you'd have to test then with gallows because p5 doesnt have random inheritance

[strong moat]

she gets links too. that's why you'd want her to act first

[fresh mulch]

oh true that

[potent geyser]

and that should be the final template

no more obj?

[strong moat]

tbf she is not the best link user... I think that's FEMC but idr

[fresh mulch]

looks correct

[potent geyser]

oh wait

i forgot

[fresh mulch]

forgor what?

[potent geyser]

the perfected template

[fresh mulch]

true

[potent geyser]

uploaded in my github

[fresh mulch]

one problem is that it doesnt support adding more entries

[potent geyser]

well true...

[fresh mulch]

i have added another one and that worked

but the template wouldnt show

[potent geyser]

lemme try

[fresh mulch]

i guess continue the pattern but just use the entry number past psy?

i suppose i can also just add by myself on the template

works like a charm

[potent geyser]

yeah manual add is fine

[fresh mulch]

nice, it allowed me to fix an error where i gave despair instead of rage

thank you

[potent geyser]

oho

interesting

no worries

[fresh mulch]

i should probably edit more templates to add my own custom enums more often lol

im working with ids for no reason

nice

oops i repeated neutral

holy shit i have gotten so much stuff wrong here

https://tenor.com/view/catto-gif-17643687004817745866

how it feels when you finally have some automation

i should def learn to make templates one day

they look simple

[strong moat]

I need to learn to make templates too....

[potent geyser]

Is this custom name?:?

[fresh mulch]

yeah they'll be shown in the persona's description

🤔 i think this should be the final version

[uncut depot]

historically yes

[fresh mulch]

lets gooo

[uncut depot]

are you even gonna have the skilltbl space for that

[fresh mulch]

im not talking of unique skills

(uh this is what i mean by x2 expel )

[uncut depot]

you could, the main money grinding change i can think of from og to royal is those fucking stamps again and instakill having rewards
i did not hit the money cap in og

[fresh mulch]

the judge mace you get at kamoshida will probably have null expel and it is equipable by both joker and ryuji. so it should be useful if you wanna keep arsene through the incoming hama spam (tho ryuji himself is weak to bless so might be better to just leave that on him and just using another persona lmao)

not to mention that now blocking mudo or hama doesnt completely block the extra damage and the 5% sp drain unless you also block bless/curse

[uncut depot]

i brought him everywhere just for the akeshu
lmao

[fresh mulch]

bruh tenor censors yaoi but not yuri

i see how it is...

[uncut depot]

tempting though idk what the vanilla values are by comparison

[fresh mulch]

WHAT

okay this is intentionally homophobic wth

nevermind????????????

https://tenor.com/view/itzillit-cat-sleepy-cat-gif-1344318570403703586

[rare oriole]

lowkey the yaoi gifs might be more spicy than what'd you get from yuri probably

[fresh mulch]

they cant handle some sweaty pecs

[uncut depot]

can confirm i shredded through everything with kotone lol

[fresh mulch]

persona 1 jumpscare

why are there so many lesbian ayase gifs 😭

absolute cinema

[fresh mulch]

~~guys what if i made p1 gay haha jk unless... ~~

[strong moat]

yeah they have had... tense relations for centuries until recent times

[fresh mulch]

if anyone has any questions?

[mellow pecan]

Other Arcanas?

[fresh mulch]

so, party members (and maybe one or two special personas) will have multiple arcanas. by the third semester evolution, it will be 4 arcanas and 4 orders. they are what is used to get the ailment affinities (in this case, the other two are hidden but they still influence the affinities.)

the idea is mostly cosmetic tho. its just a fun tarot progression

[uncut depot]

thought: first persona descriptions evoking the mythology around the figure while third ones evoke the more down-to-earth person
this already kinda lines up with the logic of their names, a couple of them are straight up real people that existed, just a thought

[fresh mulch]

yeah i was thinking of something like that

this description could be the unglamorized reality of kidd for his third semester arcana

it fits the shattering of maruki's illusions

[mellow pecan]

Raoul's could be used to describe Arsene's first heist and possible birth name.

Would Captain Kidd being the Tower not give away one of the other Arcanum?

[fresh mulch]

captain kidd was romantized, but if the history books are right, he was a not very good person...

[uncut depot]

tbf thats pirates in general

[fresh mulch]

true...

[fresh mulch]

i think thats kinda the idea behind the real names right?

mliady's third evo being the woman that the character was an inspiration of is very cool

so i'll go all epic on this first form then

[mellow pecan]

Ella's could describe the darker Brother's Grimm version of the tale.

[uncut depot]

eeh

[fresh mulch]

thats just edgy tho

[mellow pecan]

If I wanted edgy I'd suggest the Tam Cam version.

[uncut depot]

peraults cendrillon is older than the grimms' Aschenputtel and the latter doesnt rly have anything to do with sumires cendrillon/ella

[mellow pecan]

Fair enough.

[fresh mulch]

i like the progression from the fake, perfect cendrillon (maruki), to vanadis who took half of the dead with her (acceptance), to the true person beneath the magical illusion, ella(self-discovery)

also vanadis imitating joker, sumi's only anchor at the moment, to then drop that completely for ella is brilliant

(me not very articulate)

[fresh mulch]

also, idk if this is on purpose, but it feels fitting

sumi got red hair and pronounce????

[uncut depot]

its not even pronounced the same lmao

[fresh mulch]

tbf doesnt have to be. this is the type of random stuff i'd do when designing something that i'd quickly forgot what i was referencing a few hours later

btw cendrillon should 100% be a moon persona in games without faith. it fits the arcana to a t lol

she is the literal magical illusion hiding someone completely different underneath

sumire tho is def a star

ig i'll do seiten taisei now

[uncut depot]

shes star in p3r dlc

[fresh mulch]

ella would make sense but not cendrillon

ig you could argue a reversed star for lack of faith in one's self or smth like that

btw i never did a tarot reading

okay i got emperor > priestess > hermit > death

tf does that mean

[fresh mulch]

btw see? i can praise the game sometimes /lh

so apparently seiten taisei is the japanese translation of one of wukong's titles. why not Qitian Dasheng tho 🤔

[uncut depot]

that one is used in other games though, off the top of my head p3r uses it to distinguish the tower wukong persona from ryujis wukong specifically

also the emphasis on sholmes in the arsène blurb is funny when i have no idea what ur cooking with akechi beyond no hetero lol

[fresh mulch]

they are rivals i think its obvious im just talking of this lol

[uncut depot]

what if akechis egg cracked...

[fresh mulch]

pls dont give me ideas

[lunar vector]

Lupin and Sholmes are rivals but only in like one book 😂 The book is like unbelievably homoerotic though. Far beyond just the premise. Maurice, what was the deal......

[uncut depot]

lmao

[fresh mulch]

wait how homoerotic

and tbf all it takes is one popular occurrence to canonize an idea (lupin and sholmes)

[lunar vector]

More in the romantic sense than in a lewd sense, but let me dig out the post with a bunch of quotes...

[fresh mulch]

i cant stop giggling at the idea that in a parallel universe somewhere we had a version of akechi with a persona called Herlock Sholmes 😭

p3d sweep

[fresh mulch]

tbf 'herlock' sounds sick, but the sholmes right after it deflates everything

[lunar vector]

Hey, Maurice. Hey. Come out of that grave for a second I just want to talk.
https://www.tumblr.com/somethingpersonarelated/757454506921443328/shuake-but-its-gayass-quotes-from-arsene-lupin-vs?source=share

Representative of the House of LesbiAnn

shuake but it's gayass quotes from Arsene Lupin vs Herlock Sholmes

-# #shhh. this isn't a reupload #goro akechi #p5 #p5r #persona 5 #shuake #akeshu #akechi goro #nobraincellshere #ren amamiya

Tumblr · Jul 30, 2024, 6:41 PM

[fresh mulch]

also, based

[fresh mulch]

you see, when the rival tension results in het, then they are just rivals to me. but when that tension is homo, then they 100% are dtf

[lunar vector]

Based.

m/f rivalry is sexless and boring to me 🥱

[fresh mulch]

besides it would be terribly onesided here

[fresh mulch]

love how this lesbian themed blog is just yaoi lmao

[lunar vector]

That's Tumblr for ya

[fresh mulch]

man im having some trouble with seiten taisei's description...

understandable have a nice day

bruh we have been doing shonen for centuries

[mellow pecan]

You'll never guess what the Japanese reading of Sun Wukong (孫悟空) is.

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-gif-20130371

[simple knoll]

I SPOT SHION AND NEZUMI

[fresh mulch]

i have no idea who they are

[uncut depot]

understandable have a nice day

(i actually can point to specific het kismeses that are compelling to me but i think not as many as gay ones lmao)

[simple knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/nezushi-cute-number-6-no-6-nezumi-gif-14297569659291639987

the boys

[fresh mulch]

no, the boys is not an anime ||/j||

[uncut depot]

obligatory osp plug

[simple knoll]

reminds me I never finished reading the light novels

[fresh mulch]

osp what?

[uncut depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61nuXrvqNgI

[fresh mulch]

oh (i never would've guessed by the acronym)

... part 1?

how many are there it keeps going 😭

[uncut depot]

i forgor

[fresh mulch]

this is the last one

by the looks of it they are not done

[uncut depot]

tbf journey to the west itself is long af :v

[fresh mulch]

hm i wonder why

[fresh mulch]

i have 0 context for this 😭

[strong moat]

oh lol it's dragon ball related

[fresh mulch]

(it's probably funnier this way tho)

[fresh mulch]

next time i need something as background noise i'll play the playlist of this ig

tho the 10minute length is not the best for this

[strong moat]

do you want context

[fresh mulch]

no im good

[strong moat]

not really keeping it 1000 huh

[fresh mulch]

TIL a new slang

i just realised something i should thank atlus for

there is no "Persona Q: P3 Version" and "Persona Q: P4 Version"

imagine if you had to buy a whole ass game for the other side

[strong moat]

that's how they tried to do the manga haha

but the P3 side was never completed

[fresh mulch]

tbf a manga makes more sense

but a game can just have both inside

[strong moat]

honestly though PQ being sold as two separate games would've been silly anyways but it is still good that they did not do that

[fresh mulch]

good thing this was never done befor for even less differences

[strong moat]

you could be referencing multiple things with that too lol

[fresh mulch]

tbf this only became a 'mini trend' because pokemon

quite a few ds games did this

(funnily enough i often see them having substantial differences too lol)

[strong moat]

PQ doesn't really have enough differing content anyways to justify two different versions

[mellow pecan]

Atlus would never. Surely.

[fresh mulch]

yes i know demikids

[strong moat]

im also thinking P3D/P5D although that's mainly because they're the exact same structurally lol

[fresh mulch]

thats why im glad they didnt do that again (even tho i read in the wiki that they are actually two different games. but that's bad marketing if thats the case lol)

[strong moat]

not really a good example of this but

[fresh mulch]

~~if only i could trade my p3d exclusive junpei for a p5d exclusive ann ~~

wait does kamoshida constantly calling ryuji monkey is because of sun wukong?

they very deliberately chose the 'rude', impulsive boy as an analogue to the monkey king

[fresh mulch]

bruh i still barely have space on the blurbs

[fresh mulch]

yknow, at first i jut took this as a more generic 'thanks for helping me change', but now, i can't stop thinking how this whole arc really mirrors wukong's imprisonment(that cast him down from heaven) and his subsequent journey west under someone else where he achieves buddhahood

the biggest difference is that ryuji's case was not 100% his fault like wukong lol. it is both true that he needs to not be as impulsive and hotheaded, and that he was treated extremely unfairly.

considering his persona is named seiten taisei, the self-proclaimed title of 'heaven's equal' from wukong before his imprisonment, suggests that these parallels are probably intentional

the question is why they didnt use this name instead

because seiten taisei is an arrogant title with no actual value. it precedes the journey to the west

there's also this story but i cant see any connection to ryuji's arc from this so its probably referencing what i showed before

[fresh mulch]

lmao translated 274 years later 😭

[fresh mulch]

oh btw this story fucking sucks

it's basically a guy says 'i dont believe in sun wukong', then a few days later that guy gets sick as punishment, but then he is cured of the sickness by medicine(lmaaaaao what a fraud), but then his brother ends up falling sick as punishment and DIES. then he begs sun for forgiveness and to bring his brother back, the brother is brought back but terminally ill, so they have to spend a lot of money taking care of him (and the financial burden of the funeral. some things never change do they), the converted guy prays for wukong to help them, wukong appears in a hidden form and guides them, blablabla blessings, blalbala and something something, they are now drowning in riches and pray to sun every day

dude basically threatened them to worship him

least insane god

(... i really am ranting about a story from two centuries ago)

(close to 300 even)

thoughts? (the null shock is gone because in the main screen electricity already shows null, so that'd be redundant)

i could've given this form temperance instead of faith, but faith is underrepresented and temperance already has yusuke anyway (spoilers!!!!!)

plus i like throwing curveballs on this stuff, like haru gaining emperor (spoilers!!!!!!!)

its getting late. ig tomorrow i'll be making william's blurb and the rest. nighty

(actually william is gona use the blurb i already did i guess?)

then i'd actually be making a new blurb for c kidd

[uncut depot]

gn

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-good-night-kittens-tucked-in-stretch-gif-11237453091350123036

[fresh mulch]

oh god its halfway there

Of course right as i go to sleep my brain goes in overdrive and i have to talk about what is simmering at 180°C in my mind if i wanna sleep

(Btw when i properly capitalize, its because im on my phone with auto uppercase. Like this)

Anyway, Haru

So, i have many, many different ideas about what i'll do with her confidant

But the gist of it is: i probably want to explore the immense internal clash between haru's beliefs and the reality of the abhorrent company that she was not ready to inherit

The specifics i dont know yet. But it has to do with her love of nature and empathy towards other humans(a no no for a ceo)

I'll be delving deeper into the Empress of her confidant basucally. It will be about her nurturing nature being lost on what to do about the industrial, soul crushing world that she now has power over (plus, the usual of sleazy suits wanting to manipulate her and exploit her naivete for their needs)

The empress can be best summed by "Motherhood". Basically, it is all encompassing of the traits we associate with mothers. The kind aspects and the 'mother bear' aspects

(Obviously this is very generalized)

It is about nurturing and female authority. You get it why am i yapping

Her persona, Milady, is of the Hanged Man arcana, symbolizing being trapped at crossroads, being left in a state of suspension between worlds, and the need to see things from a different perspective to find the way forward. Plus the more literal symbolism of being treated as an offering, and the fact that Milady was hanged by her own husband/fiancee after he found out she had the fleur the lis branded on her. Btw the husband is one of the three musketeers 🫠

(Spoilers: he wins in the end)

(Milady survived the initial hanging and sook revenge under this new persona basically)

Uh feel free to contribute if you want to say smth idk

Btw haru was lower class before(in this mod). So this contributes a lot to her understanding of the people's suffering

Funny, correct me if im wrong, but for a game all about rebellion against unjust systems, there seems to be quite a lack of commentary on class strugfles? Like sure we have the whole okumura palace and the formulaic depiction of the horrors of capitalism without actually talking about capitalism, but before and after that? How many times we touch on this very important topic that is intrinsically tied to rebellion? (Btw queerness is too and all we got were two stereotypes lol)

We have a rich girl and a starving artist on the same team and not once we talked of this? Like, you often see people meming of haru just not even trying to help yusuke even when hes talking about literal starvation(tbf its mostly played for comedy)

Also, futaba is def a communist /||h||j

(Discord is so laggy on the phone browser)

(Anyone has any insights? No? Okay )

[uncut depot]

i got distracted rewatching philosophytube coming out video

[simple knoll]

you made me curious and WOW she's had like a dream transformation

i didn't watch her before she came out so i've never seen her pre transition

[strong moat]

tbf the joke with yusuke is that he isn't actually starving bc he's poor, he's starving bc he keeps making stupid decisions with his money

[uncut depot]

arguably that has its own baggage but i mean i still laugh

[strong moat]

like it's still a valid point but i get the feeling we are thinking about it more than the writers did

[fresh mulch]

Well thats why i said its played for comedy

[fresh mulch]

HOLY

Thats such a transformation

||she pretty ||

So any thoughts on the clash of values between haru's beliefs and the company she was entrusted with so suddenly?

(She was going to inherit when anyway? After okumura croaks?)

[simple knoll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVilpxowsUQ did you watch this one

[uncut depot]

yea

[simple knoll]

idk how she managed the "talking to my past self" thing. is she wearing a wig?

[uncut depot]

she has an actor doing it

[simple knoll]

that looks exactly like her in the past??\

[fresh mulch]

Long lost twin duh

[uncut depot]

lul

but nah ive watched enough of her pre-transition stuff that i can tell her eggself and rhys apart without that much effort

actually something funny is one of, maybe the first video of hers i remember watching was the one on transphobia she did when she was still closeted or maybe even an egg, so she has this disclaimer like "bear in mind im not trans" and then immediately in the pinned comment is her chuckling about it in retrospect

[fresh mulch]

Well that aged like an egg

[simple knoll]

one of my friends said such an egg thing today it was comical

[fresh mulch]

What is it

[uncut depot]

unironically that literally sounds like an internet friend of mine that is out now

[fresh mulch]

I mean, if i had a button that'd turn me into a guy which would make my life a thousand times easier...

I would never press it lmao
I like being a woman even with how shitty stuff can get at times, because the good stuff more than makes up for it

[simple knoll]

i think a lot of cis women have the same thought lol

i've heard a lot of cis women that are just like "yeah being a man would be easier but i still like being a woman"

[fresh mulch]

Im struggling to see the 'would you press a button to turn into a girl?' question done to a 'guy' and 'he' answering 'yes absolutely' as not somewhat trans. Like its not my place to label nor to say what trans experiences are like, but thats what i noticed

[simple knoll]

it's his choice he might come out later but we just respect his decision for now pretty much

[fresh mulch]

Being a woman is fun with the right social group

[fresh mulch]

Agreed

I see that sometimes the egg stuff can go a bit far. Its good to give people space to process their own feelings without expectations entrusted on them

[simple knoll]

watching this rn and "if a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, it has no pronouns" took me out

[uncut depot]

lol

[fresh mulch]

Truly a philsophy tube

[uncut depot]

thinking about this egg i knew in my teens who kept drawing women with just absolutely fucking massive bazongas to the point it got awkward and then fast forward a few years to when weve lost touch but are still vaguely aware of each other and oh huh when did she start using she/her pronouns

[fresh mulch]

Did she get those bazongas

[uncut depot]

idk we dont keep up anymore

[fresh mulch]

[fresh mulch]

Ill just take the silence as a "wow you are such a genius, kisser of girls! This is def an idea of all time!"

Thank you thank you i know

[uncut depot]

oh right class stuff

[fresh mulch]

Yeah class stuff. Done your homework yet?

[uncut depot]

i meant the other kind of class idk that im getting anything done tonight

[fresh mulch]

(Im aware)

[uncut depot]

re:the class stuff i dont think theres nothing, okumura isnt the only target to have canonically been poor at one point and it pretty consistently has an at-minimum implied cause-and-effect relation to a target's wrongdoing, but thats the hitch its implied and not heavily sat with

[fresh mulch]

Like, sometimes i do get a feeling were i ||wish i had a D||, but like, i wouldnt turn into a guy for that, nor that is necessarily an indication of my gender. Its more of a 'would be cool if i had it'

[fresh mulch]

Yeah its what im saying about talking about it without talking about it. The story does indeed portray many class issues, but it doesnt necessarily feel like a huge topic in the story? Idk this is just how it felt

Maybe if haru was more present we couldve had some moment highlighting class or smth? But rn she's thrusted into a very hectic part of the plot

Like this is not objectively a problem. Its just that i have a bigger focus on how a piece of media can deliver its concept and message to its target audience

Holy its past midnight and my brain is starting to slow down

[rare oriole]

[uncut depot]

p5 strongly feels like a game that is in tension with the market forces required for it to exist

[fresh mulch]

Like, as annoying as the exposition can get here, i do think its a necessary evil considering its audience (plus, its not handled that badly anyway)

[fresh mulch]

Well so is any media trying to make money while having anti-estabilishment themes after all

[uncut depot]

not just money, reach

[fresh mulch]

Ill be eeping soonish

[fresh mulch]

Yeah unfortunately the phantom communists of hearts wouldntve landed that well

I joke about this but tactica does have trans che guevara...

[uncut depot]

i mean it mightve for some people but only if they were to hear about the game in the first place

if you want people to know your thing exists you either bank on word of mouth, have the money to pay for marketing, or have enough brand recognition for it to market itself

established studios have that kind of money but they want the assurance that the thing will sell so they stay in business, and then is when Marketability™ starts being an issue

[fresh mulch]

True...

Hmm. What if i maganed to multiply the agility stat if your evasion was up hm... (fat chance)

I was thinking, what yall think of singletarget buffs?

[uncut depot]

im trying to remember how much (or little) i used them in early game lmao

[fresh mulch]

Werent they partywide in nocturne?

Like, in a game with limited buff turns, they are pretty underwhelming

[uncut depot]

for sure once the ma- skills were common enough i didnt rly use them. early game idr

[fresh mulch]

At least heat riser is somewhat useful (to buff jonkle)

[uncut depot]

i think i had the auto- passives at least before they also got replaced with their partywide versions

[fresh mulch]

So i was having a change of plans
In the mod i already made them cost hp instead of sp (more usable in mob fights, but take a bit of a toll if you are not careful in bosses) with debuffs costing sp since they are disproportionaly better against bosses (def not against mobs tho)
And the partywide versions i also nafe them cost hp, but to balance that, i made so that they cant buff the user, and i think that creates an interesting case of being harder to keep your buffs 100% topped

But i was thinking...
What it singletarget buffs turned into 'all allies but user' buffs, and the ma- versions also buffed the user (would i need something more to make them feel more like an upgrade or its just fine like this?)

I rarely use single target buffs in pq as well. Just... 5 characters on screen lol

When i do its usually a sukukaja to catchup to an enemy doing the same or spamming rakukaja on the front line against some foes

But the disparity between the single target and ma- skills in q sure is something

[simple knoll]

the only time I really used a single target buff was heat riser

I think I used rakukaja early game sometimes

[uncut depot]

i think ive sometimes popped a single target -kaja in early game but only sometimes

[ruby phoenix]

why are you healing your opponents

[ruby phoenix]

yeahh tactica's system would probably work way better (there are levels but it's a shared team level shared by every single party member. though admittedly it doesn't do much in tactica but like. could adapt that concept to having the level ups actually teach skills and improve stats)

[fresh mulch]

Mornimg homos

Im still half-asleep

[fresh mulch]

Im just testing skills on items and how flexible they are (as it turns out, plenty)

Hmmm i wanna kiss a distinguished lady rn

https://tenor.com/view/haru-haru-okumura-persona-persona5-floof-gif-18110803

Oh

[fresh mulch]

i think i almost never used tarukaja. i just doesnt feel like it helps that much, at least in q2 (plus the game very early on gives you the orb navi skills anyway, so 99% of the time im buffing with that)

https://tenor.com/view/post-this-cat-ryujinr-grey-cat-gif-13471549557469691566

time to work on the descriptions again

[fresh mulch]

man i wish i could reduce the font size. would easily allow at least 50% more text

i can't be exactly too articulate and poetical when the real story barely fits already

i could in theory squish the top portion into fewer lines, but that'd harm the readability of actually important info

(okay the first two lines are not really important but i think its cool)

[grand cipher]

use a font mod or make one.

P3/P4 Font mod reduces the size

[fresh mulch]

but i dont want to reduce font size everywhere

although i do think since this is on pc instead of ps4, we could do with slightly smaller fonts...

okay maybe reducing font size is not that bad here

the problem with smaller fonts are when games made for consoles are unreadable from the couch

[fresh mulch]

how would i go at making one?

just reducing the original font by 25% would be a huge help already

[grand cipher]

That I don't know.

[fresh mulch]

oh god i forgot how p5's original font was

great, i fucking LOVE custom file explorers with no way to directly input a path <3

nevermind this worked

hmmm not compatible and i dont see anything on amicitia about .fnt files either

yeah i dont get it

[fresh mulch]

found it

[weary rapids]

Looks better ngl

[fresh mulch]

i changed 'after school' to 'late afternoon' because of the new mechanics

so you dont get a 'after school' on saturdays after spending your afternoon period

(you have 2 daytime slots in saturdays)

and 3 daytime slots in sundays btw

yes you'll need this

[weary rapids]

Why exactly do we need that many a day?

[fresh mulch]

1 - confidants require way more points, so this gives you hangout opportunities (you can't hang out with the same one more than once on the same day tho. this isnt yet implemented btw)
2 - i'll probably want the social stats to require more points overall, so i can more freely hand them out through various activities without leveling up too quickly, and this would help offset the increased requirements too

[fresh mulch]

oh interesting

i can set the specific letter that the image relates to

way i just realized that i can use this to add more symbols

[fresh mulch]

like, for even easier visualization, i could probably implement a symbol for each ailment and stuff right

i just have to map the symbols to obscure characters that wont be used anywhere

also shouldnt be too much of a pain to add compatibility to other fonts. just import the necessary symbols over

oh this also means i could implement even more emojis for the phone conversations

like, this already very good for that lmao 💀

but what other emojis should i add? any suggestions?

okay ann is totally the type to use the cat emojis right we agree on that? 😼

[fresh mulch]

drafted proposal: 🥹 😅 🤣 🥲 😊 😇 😍 😘 😋 🤨 🤓 😳 😱 🤗 🤔 🤭 🫡 😶 🙂‍↕️ 😬 🙄 🥱 🤮 🤡 😸 😹 😻 👏 👍 👌 💅 🔥 🎯 📸 💸 🎊 🇯🇵 (🏳️ + 🏳️‍🌈) <- it won't have color but i think that multiple stripes and the context it may be used makes it clear what its supposed to represent

if i can't add more characters, then i might have to cut down on the variety which is fine. i picked the ones that i think would be most likely to be used by some of the pts at least once

any thoughts to be shared?

(as you can imagine, futaba is responsible for most of the memey ones)

also it would be interesting to know what kind of emojis were popular with japanese teens back in 2016

[fresh mulch]

i temporarily made the A hung edited the letter A just to test if it was working, and it does. nice

now to add and map symbols...

[mellow pecan]

The A needs to put some pants on.

[fresh mulch]

indeed its indecent

https://tenor.com/view/wont-somebody-please-think-of-the-children-think-of-the-children-think-about-the-children-children-the-simpsons-gif-20004023

[fresh mulch]

oh silly me how could i forget

another test. this time A is squished

hmmm i wonder if this supports color. (i cant color stuff in the persona background bmd unfortunately)

hmm interesting

is this just persona editor not importing all the color channels, or is this what would look like ingame 🤔

holy shit this is so useful

[fresh mulch]

nope. this is for the visualizer

hmm this is familiar

do they use these anywhere?

(a little detour for a moment) OMG THESE ACCEPT COLOR

(not the color i will go for. this is mostly a test)

like, i appreciate that at least weaknesses are much brighter compared to the resistances, but all resistances have the same grey

idk my eyes do not like that

(this like other recolors are optional)

okay but like, should weakness be green or red?

[strong moat]

oh that's really cool

weakness should be red

red bad green good

(I also feel the original color scheme was very readable too)

[fresh mulch]

it is for weakness, i just think that str nul drn and rpl all blend a bit

when we have a passive that changes a resistance, it shows the new resistance yellowed right?

i like that. it pops well

[fresh mulch]

funny, in my spreadsheets i use green for weakness and red for resist

for some reason it just feels right?

[strong moat]

idk I didn't have an issue with it

[fresh mulch]

i didnt really as well, just noticed that it got a bit hard when i made some personas that mixed many of those together

vanilla usually doesnt do that

[strong moat]

i think the important thing is really that all those affinities are the "same" in that they are improved over the base affinity. you can read from there.

(to be clear I'm not saying color coding them is a bad thing, I understand the intent)

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah uh, i was wondering how a japanese version of the game would deal with this mod? just straightup incompatible? (i dont edit anything that is eng to jp)

i suppose that also goes for other languages

[strong moat]

I think my two cents on it

• the white text on weakness already makes it pop but that's in the context of no colors. maybe red would be better.
• resist should be gray, it's weaker than the others
• null should probably be an understated color too, while absorb/repel can be something else entirely

[strong moat]

the existence of English text renders it automatically incompatible

like it will work but it'll show English text

you can use localization framework to add localized files to get around the language issues

[fresh mulch]

i always liked a greyish-purple for null. it just fills right

(tho in the one of my example its a brighter purple)

but hm... having str not pop might be a good idea after all

if anything that would make it pop more (plus, its not as important as the others)

[fresh mulch]

yeah uh somebody would have to do a translation themselves i aint touching that

i was thinking if i could substitute some of the kanjis for symbols, but thinking ahead it will probably not be a good idea down the line in case i 1: ever want to use those kanjis for some reason, 2: someone wants to do a japanese translation for some reason, and 3: the idea behind the symbols is that they can just be ported to other fonts if the user still wants to use those, but overriding kanji woul difficult that

so many kanjis...

hmm the ones i underlined red are probably all unused

also pigpen??

oh wait im sure some star symbol is def used at least

[strong moat]

what are you looking at doing anyways

[fresh mulch]

adding more emojis to use for the chat messages

i like the idea of more realistic typing (within understandable parameters of course)

[strong moat]

oh fair

[fresh mulch]

doesnt p4 do that somewhere?

(not emojis)

[strong moat]

actually there's a mod that tries to add more "realistic" text messages

[strong moat]

yes, P4G does that

oh wait base 4 also does

5 probably chose to not do that bc so much crucial plot info is in the text messages

but I kinda wish they had a bit

(again though there is a mod for that)

[fresh mulch]

these are the first emojis i thought of that could be used at least a bit by some of the characters in multiple points through the game (like futaba using the clown emoji on shido or smth)
it is a lot so maybe cut half of them?

[fresh mulch]

yeah, 'realistic' texting does suck for non english speakers

i mean, those who can somewhat read english a bit (and often do use english media to learn the language)

[fresh mulch]

tho the cat emojis have to stay. i like the idea of ann using them often

i wonder if this empty space is mapped to anything...

would have to find where the font mapping is handled. hopefully a ftd

oh might be in the fnt itself

[lunar vector]

Pretty sure the encoding is effectively hardcoded, and thus handled by a TSV when using AST. If you want to add symbols you need to edit your local copy of that TSV to encode/decode them properly when you compile/decompile scripts.

Like, the encoding is based on the order of the glyphs in the FNT. So it can't really be changed, but it is very much possible to add glyphs.

[fresh mulch]

hmm

'add' glyphs how?

[lunar vector]

https://discord.com/channels/746211612981198989/1275893664257802422

Long thread as we figured it out, but basically: edit glyph (probably one of the blank ones) in the FNT, then add the symbol you want to represent it with in text to the relevant AST encoding TSV.

[fresh mulch]

so it can't be with femulator? it has to be compiled on my end?

[lunar vector]

Unless there's support added for custom encodings to the built-in version of AST the frameworks use 😅

[fresh mulch]

can i make an addon to it...?

[lunar vector]

Which would be amazing, tbh. And theoretically doesn't seem that difficult.

So, worth a go? Possibly worth asking ocean about the best way to do that.

[fresh mulch]

yeah its worth a try

i found the thing in the bmd femulator, but of course if i edit mine it wont work for other people that didnt do that lol

hacky solution: just include a folder you tell the user to put in the femulator mod's folder /||h||j

[strong moat]

you know you say that

I know there's one P4G mod where half the time, when someone brings up issues, the solution is for them to download the entire R2 install from the modder

which is effectively the same deal lol

[lunar vector]

....omg.

[fresh mulch]

absolute cinema

[lunar vector]

But like yeah, this would def work lol, just a pain to troubleshoot over time when inevitably users will have a hard time with any extra moving parts.

[strong moat]

please do not do that lol

[lunar vector]

Agreed 😅

[strong moat]

recommend making a PR to file emulator instead

[fresh mulch]

if something in my own mod folder could be automated to override femulator's bmd compiling, then that sounds like a good simple solution (unless femulator already has something builtin for this?), specially since tsv is something that will def not be updated anyways

[strong moat]

if the change you want to make doesn't cause issues, then make a PR and then everyone's file emulator will have it

[lunar vector]

I don't think it has that. But again, would be a simple enough and very cool addition to the framework.

[fresh mulch]

doesnt cbt do something like that for its new commands?

like it def does something at least

[lunar vector]

The biggest hurdle I can think of is that it miiight require editing the lib of AST itself. But there's probably a way around that.

[fresh mulch]

(unless it doesnt work with femulator? i dont remember if i tried tbf)

[lunar vector]

Oh, good point 🤔

I don't know how CBT does it.

But it definitely adds to the functions.json for AST.

That'd be a good starting point, then, yeah.

[fresh mulch]

might be better to test if that even works first or im just hallucinating a feature

[lunar vector]

It definitely has custom flow functions.

Pretty sure it works with femulator or people would be complaining more 😆

But maybe not.

[fresh mulch]

these are the instructions for it

[lunar vector]

LOL

Okay, so. It is the replacement strat.

But I guess this is talking about your local copy you use for dev. Not necessarily the framework's copy.

[fresh mulch]

yeah this is talking about that for compiling yourself

[lunar vector]

👆 Right.

[fresh mulch]

(im agreeing)

[lunar vector]

Well, seems like a solution here would also benefit DC.

If it could generalize to both encoding tsvs and function jsons.

[fresh mulch]

so like, mods cant femulator another mod's folder?

[lunar vector]

🤷

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah very important. do i make the emojis tilted like they are here? (i dont even know if these ones were ever used lol)

(my foolproof way of not messing up the grid )

[fresh mulch]

lmao i went to test if the custom thing would even work so i gave arsene an emoji, and as i tried to save, 😳 crashed haru editor lmao(tho would this apply to names actually?)

smh my head ryo didnt take into account the flushed emoji

[lunar vector]

That's just the of it all

Also, I'd keep the emojis consistent with the existing ones, I guess unless you want to edit/de-tilt those?

Totally random thought coming out of the event editor thread...
You've made it pretty clear you don't want to do much with Akechi + you want things to be pretty one-sided there. The Royal confidant makes it kind of hard to interpret as one-sided unless you just avoid doing it... but the base game confidant was very much one-sided/indifferent as far as Joker was concerned, lol. Would it make sense to just toss out the Royal version entirely and add the rankups back to the base P5 confidant scenes for this mod? 🤔

[fresh mulch]

sorry but my yaoi goggles are non-existent so i dont see that

[lunar vector]

I guess I mean for the rivalry more generally, not necessarily the shippy aspect of it.

[fresh mulch]

oh the rivalry doesnt have to be onesided

[lunar vector]

But also, I do think some folks will ask about that as long as you leave it in, lol.

Gotcha, though. I thought you were also avoiding too much of the rivalry.

I think I also chafe at the Royal version being in a femc version because of how much more people instantly read the scenes as romantic as soon as it's an m/f dynamic. Which I would love to avoid if it were me, lolllll.

[fresh mulch]

uh...
that did more than crash the editor

also, loading the project on haru crashes instantly too

[lunar vector]

You bwoke it 😔

[fresh mulch]

blame 😳

[lunar vector]

😳🔫