[P5R PC] Take Your Time | [FEMC & Yuri] Story and Gameplay Overhaul

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the entrance is in the alley

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the one you are placing in FEmulator/BF is a totally different file

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oh

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(also when the emulators grab original file to use as base, they dont decompile it into editable plaintext they store the flowscript and messagescript in memory)

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apparently, this is the first one i include both .flow and .msg in femulator. the rest was all compiled into a full file

oh yeah i did this before correctly

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i remember being confused on needing to manually import .msg when bf emu was new tbh though i think that lasted for all of 2 seconds

do u think they activate it in the hideout when they go to mementos

(well, i guess they could actually)

(bad example)

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it just made more intuitive sense that this wouldnt be the case

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activate in the hideout when going to shido's

instantly drowns

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lmao

but yeah there is basically always an implied timeskip between you deciding to enter palace in free time and the actual entry animation lol (because they dont want to waste your time showing the pts traveling to the normal world location every time)

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p5 strikers but you have to do the whole trip again to go to different jails

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same applies to some events

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(i had the thought once, which i chucked in the archon doc, of limiting palace inventory with the in-universe justification that lmao no way they can carry allat to the entrance every time but i cannot even begin to fathom how one would implement lol)

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(fyi: this is a wip. there are a bunch of errors, and i still am not fully committed to the writing)
🔥 2 whole ass events 🔥
i'll just have to make the rain version of the second event soonish, then it's haru's confidant in april time 🔥
https://youtu.be/PEO_vS-pvUo

i do wanna hear thoughts on this

oh and also

vote while i sleep

good night gaysexuals

Oh right. Haru's confidant...

I was thinking that i want most confidants to be impossible to max until the last months due to (telegraphed) gates. I'll also have requirements for next ranks be much higher, requiring some extra dates or a gift to progress

But one more thing i want is to expand on the confidants themselves with required inbetween-ranks events (when i think that'd work). Ones that wont increase confidant rank, but you need to spend the time slot on before going further(vanilla has some of these, but here itd be more frequent)

The thing with haru is that she joins much later, but becomes a confidant on the first month, meaning that where i should stop her confidant is difficult to tell. Maybe level 5 like sumi, but i honestly dont know.

However, i can space out these ranks so it doesnt feel too rushed by doing what i just said

Oh well we'll see

[quiet prism]

Note self, cheat personality stats...again...and ignore the gym...again...

[strong moat]

so this is something I've thought about in general. persona games tend to have the issue of, once you max out the social link why should you talk to them again? you aren't really rewarded for it or anything it's a time waste

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True im thinking of what i can do there too

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I do like the idea of extending it out over time. p3r kinda does a bit of that with linked episodes, it's a balance of "you have to talk to them on your own to progress the link" and "their development is tied to the story in some way"

now I don't really like any of the P3R linked episodes but the concept is good. but it also tends to make things a bit more scripted and less free

so there's a balance there

I haven't thought about it too much more than that.

all I'm saying is that it sounds like you're addressing it and that's cool

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The protagonists deadass ghosting their dozens of girlfriends and no one of them breakup with you after a year of no contact

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(note I also think you need to be careful about the time it takes to complete confidants so it doesn't drag out too much)

personally I am of the opinion that you should be able to complete all confidants across two playthroughs

P4 is the best about this. you literally cannot complete all social links in 1 playthrough. it's impossible.

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Thats why im masking out the grind im already planning with more eventful events. Otherwise it would be a worse case of multiple visits + present with nothing fun happening

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note that P4G is also the same way but given all the extra free time you have, it's a little bit more of a problem there

it has a similar issue to P5R but slightly worse

the one thing that keeps P4G better in that regard is that it still encourages you to NG+ more than P5R

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I maxed out everyoke in ng+ of p4g, and my last rank was rank 10 kanji on the LAST DAY

[quiet prism]

Play p4g, So remind me why this wasn't possible in P4

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I fucked around with the motorbikes so thats why i was short on time

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what I'm referring to is the strength and sun arcanas, which is also the case in golden

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How can you get every scooter trip and confidants in p4g actually

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carefully

I think it is actually possible though

i do know that it's harder to rank party social links up in November/December

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Yes this means i did the golden dungeon with everyone at last evo personas, except kanji

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it's not like kanji's ult skill is any good lol

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At least teddie's sucks but is funny

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the ult skills in P4G are really funny bc they're just fusion spells from P3 so they're very mixed overall

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P4 truly is a p3 mod huh

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good: dragon hustle, amagidyne
ok: shield of justice (this is an objectively good skill but it's kinda lame), full scan
bad: the man's way, kamui miracle

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the funnier thing was that they had 4 years to think of better things

they just. didnt

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Talking about amagidyne, i have burning petals here as a lategame multihit wind skill that causes burn

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wait

huh

amagidyne isn't in P5 is it?

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Nope

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ohhh new skill?

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Yes (same animation as another one)

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why wind?

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Floral Gust in smt is a common Force skill so

Plus it is more fun than another fire skill that burns

[strong moat]

tbf force != wind

that aside, that's floral gust this is burning petals right?

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Yes but flowers

Anyway its more for gameplay's sake

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the wind part in floral gust is more gust than floral haha

this is all a bit nitpicky, I think it sounds unique and interesting

multi hit is interesting enough as it is

that simply is not a thing in persona normally

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My new rule is that plants are wind (we need earth back...)

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honestly I think the most interesting thing about oldsona and PQ are certain skills having both a physical and magic element to them

unsure if that's possible in P5R

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You cant have two elements

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sad

that's lame

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But you can have a phys skill that uses MA and a magic skill that uses ST

I do it quite often here

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yeah the way it works in those games is like for example, a skill might do fire + slash damage

so it does both essentially as two hits

(one fire one slash)

it's very interesting

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Im on my phone so i cant pull out the sheets, but there is a category of Phys MA skills i made. It is exclusively AOE iirc

Mist Rush, Purple Mist, Flash Bomb, Agneyastra, Gaea Rage are the ones i remember

Outside of that, every element aside from Psy has a ST-hitting skill (Nuke is all ST and has no MA skills)

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Anyway. Yall look at this. Im gonna sleep bye

[simple knoll]

idk why I was kicked out of this thread

I was wondering why I haven't heard updates lately... lol

[weary rapids]

Discord was being Discord

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I wouldve asked but I thought you had just quit 😭

[simple knoll]

nah idk discord did a discord thing

[grand cipher]

raven wouldn't quit, they've been here too long

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Mornin gays

10k messages

[simple knoll]

good night for me

yes I am going to bed at 6 am

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https://tenor.com/view/persona-5-annshiho-ann-takamaki-shiho-suzui-persona-5-royal-gif-15852411128531673896

huh... ann is way more of a dog than a cat now that i think about it

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🥱 now that i've got to try out this baby game, its time to go back to modding

i think i'll be doing haru's confidant events next

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rei and haru are favorites i see

the confidants you have by april are only chariot and death, right?

empress, alongside the vegetable harvest, should make april less of a snoozefest

... i was thinking. what if you could use the fertilizer on the plants once per harvest? it would increase kindness and haru confidant points, as well as reduce the days remaining by 1 or 2

in general i want more varied and fun ways to increase social stats, instead of grinding out the same thing. so having more options that give you different benefits aside from just stats should help in the routing variety

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make it so you have multiple different activities to increase social stats then reduce the gains on repeat activities to encourage branching out

(this would actually probably be a little annoying to implement but I think it should be possible)

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shouldnt be too bad, actually! i just need to learn the save framework thingie for custom flags

https://github.com/Lightboom9/p5rpc.CustomSaveDataFramework

this one i think?

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yknow, im glad i decided to get into the modding community this time instead of being on my own

otherwise i probably wouldve dropped the project again by now like last year

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at least that's handled. i was thinking moreso, getting the scripting in for all the existing events would probably be a bit annoying lol

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nah ive done worse

i will have to go through all of them anyway since im making sure stuff is 'balanced'

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mmmm i see

well, shouldnt be too much work to implement then i hope :p

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less work than doing my entire skill rework at least

(it was mind numbing)

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okay, so first things first... haru's first rank has to change. i think at a later rank she can visit sojiro? but right now its a bit too early to meet your gf's guardian in the story

just wanna know if anyone has their own ideas for what early haru confidant could be like

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... i have an idea

hold on let me cook

im gonna be using this very underutilized scenery

its a crime how we dont see more of it

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i guess i'm off to writing. i have big plans for this rework

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sorry if answered before but,

How come the characters are always different in event editing but not i nthe actual event? Unless those characters are for testing/using that event as a template

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wdym?

this is takemi's rank 9 event

[grand cipher]

So are you using it as a base for the haru event? Just wondering as whenever I see a post of the event your making, either it's characters using different outfits or different characters themselves

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the outfits is because of it being based off of the current date

[grand cipher]

Ahh I see now

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and yes, i always take something as base for a new event

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(output will probably slow down a bit as i take some inbetween breaks to play games)

i have an issue of just burning out as i hyperfocus on one thing nonstop

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yuri recommendation: watch gundam witch from mercury

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/gundam-witch-gundam-witch-from-mercury-suletta-mercury-gif-8436061422444664052

my favorite tanuki

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||who tops?||

wow... its... its beautiful

how it looks in the editor

[lunar vector]

Materials

Also, probably some stuff that should only be visible in certain seasons, lolll.

See: the autumnal leaves.

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btw the camera from the render is not quite like it is in the game

[lunar vector]

Yeah, I see some differences here 🤔

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looks like a slightly different fov?

[lunar vector]

Or just sliiightly to the left?

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🤷‍♀️

[lunar vector]

Yeah, dunno. These kind of small differences can only be uncovered with observations over time, so we'll add this to the list ✍️

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oh no i'll have to do the sae stuff for the first rank

[lunar vector]

Hopefully it shouldn't be too bad if you can copy/paste it all......... but there will be a fair amount of commands to do 😐

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i think it would be better to copy haru's rank 1 and just paste the camera and field from here

[lunar vector]

True....

But it's also making me wonder what the best way is to copy a range of commands.

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oh yeah there def should be a multiselection option

[lunar vector]

Multiselections is... kinda complicated here, just because of how the individual editors work.

But maybe an option related to the "clear frames" menu?

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idk

[lunar vector]

Like a "copy/cut all commands in range" option... hm....

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no simple way to hold shift and click on different nodes to select multiple?

[lunar vector]

Not in a way that wouldn't break a lot of other things.

(For now.)

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all i know is that im gonna spend the night high on caffeine making this

[lunar vector]

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it works

[rare oriole]

i feel like there's a non-zero chance the end of all your romance s-links will have this as a prompt...

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gay people have telekinesis ig

[lunar vector]

True...

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this... weirdly fits p5?
https://youtu.be/HP9I9TsMQ1M

i guess its the guitar

vlc has gone woke 😤

[rare oriole]

common Haru W

[grand cipher]

sounds like a intro or when your running to the treasure

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okay... i dont know if its good, but it's definitively a spin

i guess i'll plug the dialogue boxes in the event without any animating, just to get feedback on the dialogue itself

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btw, this is WIP. think of it more like a pilot to present the idea im going for than the full event finalized (idk how much of this i'll move to future events instead)
anyway, thoughts on it?

hopefully the themes i want to explore with haru are clear

i think the empress has quite a lot of potential

anyway i'll sleep. but pls tell me what you think

gnight gays

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.... I guess i'll take that as 'its perfect. Youre good to go'

Mornin

[weary rapids]

Yes

Mornin

(Or maybe cuz you sent it at 1am EDT)

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(I have no concept of timezones )

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https://tenor.com/view/tensei-oujo-anis-euphy-euphilia-anisphia-gif-10904733721671934698

daily yuri

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i think that, for once, i may actually plan something out in advance

would prob be for the best for any slink im doing big reworks on

[weary rapids]

To make every woman gay by being in Rei’s presence

[rare oriole]

gaydar gayaura

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the virgin anime slop aura farming vs the chad butch woman innate gayaura

[sharp yoke]

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man... i really need a program that is like ms word but i can draw on it

i tried canva, and the first thing it showed to me was its new ai feature

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>top makoto
it did not cook

it also said that makoto is the top in makoann (???)

(why am i so easily distracted)

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ffs i give up. i am physically incapable of outlining anything 😭

i'll just continue as i've been doing

i was thinking of maybe having two confidant ranks available in april? with an extra event needed for rank 2

should be enough content. i guess i can have yusuke's, makoto's, and futaba's arcs include 1 rank each, for rank 5 max until haru joins

and of course, a few extra events that dont advance a rank but are needed. should be good enough to prevent the confidant from spreading too thin, while giving it room to breathe after haru joins, to deal with the post-okumura-death thing

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i have some grammar notes but im busy rn

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i'll probably fully rewrite it anyway

i think im getting a clearer idea of how much i wanna show at the beginning

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i think im starting to get an idea of what i'll have of her in april

[quiet prism]

Damn. If I wasn't such a horrible, horrible cheater. I would say that your version is going to make player building a mite more interesting. But I am, so I can just put whatever skills I want on what your characters hehehehe

[fresh mulch]

well, the mod is definitively balanced around your available build options, which are very varied. i def wouldnt recommend cheating in skills (at least not without trying out how the game is supposed to be played first)

[sullen drift]

I found it quite beautiful.

Has a vibe of “The secret lives of queer women” too and all the things we run into but also… just stuff that women deal with. I mean, There are bi and straight guys who adore tree climbing, nature loving butch women with all thir heart and soul.

I really liked it though even with the understanding that it is A wip.

I see a lot of little windows into reality in this mod and is makes me smile

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the wip is more to show the intended idea behind this part of her confidant, but i will actually space out into multiple events so this all unfolds naturally instead of a big exposition

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i guess i have no straight (im addicted to balatro help)

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/rudosiri-umayuri-yuriuma-sigmayuri-sigma-yuri-gif-12063133977181729167

consider, yuri horse racing

[fresh mulch]

so true

[quiet prism]

Speaking of Yuri, what's your opinion on Gushing Over Magical Girls?

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lets not talk about it

gnight homos (maybe tomorrow i actually do something)

i do feel like i have a better idea of what i wanna do with haru's confidant at least

Poggers we reached 40 following here

||the joke is getting old...||

Vote as i go to sleep

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Mornin

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/the-demon-girl-next-door-machikado-mazoku-shamiko-gif-14866097

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btw yesterday i played the first portal for the first time in years in one sitting, and...

toxic yuri 🔥

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dayum haru leave some bitches for the rest for us

rate her game on a scale of 0 to

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once the evtui renderer works for multiple frames, i can't wait to try out more black magic with it

@lunar vector i'll be contractually obligated to make a ||(not tropey)|| bathhouse scene once this happens

but fr i kinda wanna do some events from later on in the plot, even if i'll not actually finish them. but i dont wanna experiment right now because its still a bit slow of a process

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(btw im intrigued in how i'll handle futaba for this)

at least i hope i'll not screw it up

[sullen drift]

I like Futamire because it was the first Protag/Futaba ship I ever considered. Sumi and Futaba are a month apart age wise and I know of someone who plays Rose and Violet and headcanons Kasumi as trans. I can’t remember if they also headcanon Sumire as trans. But I always liked th idea of Sumi being trans.

And trans or just queer I think the pairing of Sumi and Futaba is really interesting thematically whether Sumi is the protagonist or a phatom thief.

I also think a trans masc Sumire would be very interesting with trans femme Futaba. Pretends to be super femme super popular sister Kasumi; because they are struggling with their internal dysphoria. trans femme Sumire makes sense for the same reasons as being someone who is already a gorgeous popular woman like nee-chan Kasumi makes sense too. “I wish I could BE Kasumi” is very relatable especially if it came from Kasumi’s sibling struggling from trans issues.

Bit long, but anytime someone starts up a mod they always ask for ways to make Sumi more intriguing. So if something comes to mind I try to mention it. People’s words and thoughts themselves will often start some amazing concepts. Or the first half or second half gives me the answer to a old rough draft.

And some is I adore Hikkikkimori Futaba so much and FutaSumi is probably my favourite’ship

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as much as i love the idea of transfem sumi, unfortunately the logistics of that are a headache

but regardless of trans themes or not, sumitaba works surprisingly well

the contrast

(and them being the same age is very cute)

the shutin nerd otaku and her acrobatic gymnast girlfriend (that has glasses just as big)

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me and the bad bitch i pulled by being autistic

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i did a sumitaba image just like this but im struggling to find it

btw while i wouldnt vote on them above sumitaba, yall are underrating futaba x makoto or haru

~~powerful and independent older woman x disaster younger bottom 🔥 ~~

||yes i have mommy issues sue me||

dw i'll enlighten yall eventually

(harutaba has the potential to be super adorable trust me)

[sullen drift]

You get it! Yes I love them together as a couple.

Makoto and Futaba is actually very interesting. As is Haru and Futaba. I could see Futaba helping Haru to come out of her shell a lot more and Haru helping Futaba use those abilities for Futaba to get used to being in public.

Makoto I feel both of them would help each other boost their inner confidence and their gender presentations. I feel Futaba would encourage Makoto to present more biker butch an not be afraid what anyone thinks. And Makoto would just continue to be support for Futaba in any way she could.
That sounds generic but I feel Futaba has a solid handle on how she presents and what she needs to do to be more put together. So I feel a girlfriend would solidly support all that where Makoto is clearly struggling as part of her arc.

I adore Makoto part of it os Rina Sato part of it is Motorcycle Butch.

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YURI!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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YuriStar

haha someone else discovers cat cafe manager

[terse shadow]

oceanstuck

[Reply to:](#1440097821834612838 message) haha someone else discovers cat cafe manager

oceanstuck

i was about to make a joke about shrimply only play obscure indie games and then my brain got distracted by the faint urge to pick up cat cafe manager again

Jump

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Successful advertisement ig

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lmao

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i know that at least i can count on indies for my yuri intake

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oh yeah i need to know something

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(this is a rare case of an actually useful poll here.)

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i wonder if i should give the butch thing a shot...

i mean, i do also like being fem

[simple knoll]

one of us

[lunar vector]

My wife switches it up every few years. Doesn't hurt to try!

[simple knoll]

being butch made me realize i was non binary lol

[fresh mulch]

i dont think im enby at least

[fresh mulch]

i guess i'll try

i do like my long hair tho

[simple knoll]

you can have long hair and still be a butch

look at billie ellish

flashback to one of my first lesbian crushes, lol

[fresh mulch]

huh

[lunar vector]

Das me 😎

[simple knoll]

I haven't had long hair since I was like 13. I cut it off during my gender crisis

[fresh mulch]

i do know that i already like to dress tomboyish sometimes

(its a start?)

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yknow something im really excited and also dreading to do? how tf i will handle special 'date' events like valentine's day or xmas

(wait was there valentine's in p5? i remember white day)

[simple knoll]

it's not too hard

[fresh mulch]

i mean, you will be able to date basically any configuration of girls in a proper polycule, so i do think it's gonna be hard

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yes lmao

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i remember so little of valentine's 💀

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do you mean as in og p5 cus white day is the one thats new to p5r lmao

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i mean p5r

thinking about it... how is it that every girl is available to spend time with you on christmas?

no one has a family reunion going on?

get-together, gathering, whatever

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i mean...half of them are pts :v

[fresh mulch]

but like, hifumi at least is in good terms with her mom by the end of the confidant right?

chihaya is very far from her hometown at least. and we dont really hear about the family of other non-pts

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not even getting the shit beat out of you if you cheat on someone? :V

[fresh mulch]

wait thats not christmas?

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bruh

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the people spoke and the best futa was chosen

nice

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(the reason is prob just because christmas in japan is considered a romantic holiday anyway)

(iirc)

[fresh mulch]

huh. i'd expect it to be more family oriented

[simple knoll]

that's america

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well theyre also not culturally christian so basically every tradition they have around it is relatively new i think
like, did you know fried chicken is considered a christmas food lol

[fresh mulch]

im pretty sure that's way more than just america lol

[simple knoll]

let's say

any anglo-saxan nation

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angel-sexo nation

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snrk

[fresh mulch]

what is japan's getogether family holiday then?

[simple knoll]

uhh

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fresh mulch]

no way there's none??

[simple knoll]

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idk probably some golden week thing ive never looked into

[simple knoll]

yeah there might be a family day

in golden week

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pursona didnt teach me this

[simple knoll]

I mean it's not like families don't spend Christmas together

like

you're married with kids might as well spend it with them too idk

[fresh mulch]

(i think thats every holiday tbf)

[fresh mulch]

really interesting...

[simple knoll]

idk I didn't spend valentines with my family before I got a boyfriend- oh wait I did one time

[fresh mulch]

i always spend valentine's with my parents

(i live in their house)

[simple knoll]

I mean same

[simple knoll]

my parents go to white castle every valentines (yes I know) and I went with them one time

[fresh mulch]

hmmm

i wonder how i will handle this part

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btw i just beat the story in one day

no game is cozy enough for my sweating

anyway, good night yall

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-sleeping-gif-27435924

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(Remember to vote if you havent )

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nice lol

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Mornin

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haru should open a cat cafe fr

[rare oriole]

convert sojiro's into one

[tawdry plover]

definitely story and gameplay :3

[fresh mulch]

cant wait to release the demo and the amount of people that are here for the gameplay to drop to 0

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thinking about it. the part where they bring futaba to the beach would change quite a bit with the trans futaba context

i guess it would be both more angsty and have a bigger payout by the end?

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feck it this will be a part of her confidant now

[strong moat]

that's heat

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what's heat?

[quiet prism]

Probably on the phone and meant to put neat.

But hit the h rather than n. Happen to me more times than I can count

[weary rapids]

Thats fire is what he’s saying

[fresh mulch]

the cate cafe?

[weary rapids]

Yes

Wonder why no one says that anymore

[fresh mulch]

(i know what heat means. i just wanted to know what thing was heat)

[strong moat]

the car cafe yes

[weary rapids]

Car cafe?

[strong moat]

https://tenor.com/view/water-cat-cat-cat-bath-gif-8375496536506751533

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-kitten-cat-meme-car-gif-13125278196998866219

https://tenor.com/view/car-crash-cat-cat-meme-cats-car-gif-7418600842370782121

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-silly-adorable-kot-gif-20944743

fuck it this is #cats now

sorry i meant #cars

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-it-foiled-again-silly-silly-cat-cat-gif-7995410800930612337

[fresh mulch]

okay hold on

i had this idea in the shower and went straight here to hear yall's thoughts (im in my towel )

since the code that prevents alert from lowering after battle also block most of ohya's things, what if i gave her other skills?

and i was thinking... persona stock 😈

its no longer a freebie from igor. youll have to hangout with the drunk lady

(this also makes routing even harder and more complex which i like doing)

you do need personas to optimally increase confidant ranks, so having more stock be harder to achieve by itself completely changes the day-to-day dynamic

[lunar vector]

......That's genius, lmao. I may steal that for the Lala Confidant overhaul someday 🤭

[fresh mulch]

you can justify for lala as in, you are learning to put on more masks because you're working in a bar(...andc you can even tie with a drag theme )

[lunar vector]

True!!

I feel like it's a pretty easy benefit to flavor, so it works well for Ohya, too.

[fresh mulch]

fuck it ill pull a annshiho overhaul and make the devil lala + ohya

(i dont mean in shipping )

[lunar vector]

YOOO

I mean, I figured that, lol.

I like the idea!

[fresh mulch]

damn i have the best ideas while in the shower

i should take more showers

nothing improves the creative juices like being naked and wet

||im sorry||

[fresh mulch]

honestly, i think i might want to not have party members learn these passives

i have a huge varied of skills you can get for them, by giving the option to use boost + amp instead, it ends up ruining what im going for

i think they will just make building way less fun and more frustrating, because they effectively only set your options to 6 or 7 (dont) skills

[uncut depot]

i think if boost/amp were equipment-only then maybe thatd be ok on party? though would be an inversion of your previous idea of putting niche skills that arent worth a slot there instead

[fresh mulch]

i actually do have them as equipment only for now, except that the stat boost they provide is much worse than other accessories

specially if you have a pt with varied skills, spending an accessory for amp that only gives a few stat points compared to something more niche that not only gives more, but can increase your options the skill, might not be the best idea

(still i think equipping the amps against bosses weak to the element might be worth it)

[uncut depot]

thing is passives are hardcoded so you might need an inaba patch at least to reduce the magnitude?

im not sure

[fresh mulch]

the passives will stay the same value

im talking of the bonus points for stats accessories can have

like +1 str or +2ma/ag

[uncut depot]

oh

im psure accessories are exclusively passive sticks though, its weapons and armor that give direct stat points (that and other bonus effects are kinda the only useful thing about them tbh)

[fresh mulch]

they have bonus stats too

i even think vanilla has some accessories with bonus stats

every equipment can have them btw

(im not talking of hypotheticals, but what i actually implemented)

[uncut depot]

by vanilla do you mean og or unmodded royal because it took me a solid minute to realize the second was an option and this is why i dont say vanilla to mean og p5

[fresh mulch]

vanilla unmodded

i cant name an accessory that does that tho. might be mandela moment

[uncut depot]

im quite sure it is

[fresh mulch]

anyway, it works

[weary rapids]

I just call it PS3

[fresh mulch]

i played on ps4 im not callign it that

[uncut depot]

i should point out in og p5 effects were hardcoded to accessory for some reason but in p5r they changed it so they take a skill id instead

[weary rapids]

It’s the only one on the PS3 unless Royal is on PS3 and I never knew about it

[fresh mulch]

hardcoded to accessory 😭

[uncut depot]

iirc other equips still work the same

[fresh mulch]

royal is in the 3ds look it up

[weary rapids]

Atlus being Atlus

[fresh mulch]

wdym?

you can set any effect you want in any of them. they just arent 'skills', but their own special thing

accessories are the only ones that use the effect id for skills

[fresh mulch]

this is kinda of a huge part of this mod's gameplay loop

with the right equipment you can make different builds on the same character. you probably wouldnt need to abuse the on-the-fly stat 'allocation', but hey, more routing variety

on the topic of atlus' implementation of anything they could do to make the game as unchallenging as possible...

i really think that royal ultimately ended up hurting the original p5's themes

i can probably write a whole-ass essay on the ludonarrative dissonance with p5, and how royal just kinda... ignored a lot of what the original game did

and the original already had issues on that department

[fresh mulch]

in fact, this mod is kind of a thing because of this

persona 5 has this big theming of rebellion, its kinda its whole thing. the narrative props up your group of outlaws in the fight against injustice that the system does nothing about. the phantom thieves are needed because otherwise, nothing would change

however... the gameplay is quite divorced to struggle in general, in favor of making the experience as frictionless as possible, which i think is a huge shame

the world basically exists only for the player, and you never feel like its hostile and oppressive in the gameplay itself

the game tries to avoid inconveniencing you as much as possible

is p5 bad because of this? no lol

but do i think it missed a huge opportunity in favor of shoving the persona power fantasy in a narrative that does not support it? yeah i do

thank you for coming || || to my ted talk

[quiet prism]

I still think you're making the give game a little too punishing. You want to avoid the grind and I get that. That's going to make mementos even more important, I think you can keep Ohya's confidence skills the same just make the drop very low.

[fresh mulch]

as i said, the code inherently blocks many of her abilities

i cant just do that

[quiet prism]

Hmm...damn.

[fresh mulch]

besides, this is not that punishing. it constricts you if you dont pursue her confidant, but the same applies to kawakami and chihaya

i like having difficult choices that makes you really think what you want the most rn

[fresh mulch]

one of the reasons im not giving the pts amp skills

on the surface it introduces a difficult choice... but its not really that difficult. you always keep the amps, so you are forced to have less variety

same with sp adhesive. i removed it because it ruins the whole economy of the game imo

one exception i do have from the start is the risky camisole, which has a weak sp regen effect that is very handy, but the downside is that its def stat sucks, so whoever wears it is very likely to die (and only ann and jonke can wear it by april)

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah, on this.
'the dark souls of' being used by game journalists as 'difficult' is quite funny, because dark souls is easy. But i do think a lot of my philosophy here comes from dark souls. not the actual difficulty, but more the vibe i'm going for when it comes to the ludonarrative

me not best with words

[uncut depot]

eeh i think id add a * to that, like its still a flaw but not completely nonsensical

like its dumb when you delete akechi in two turns with a king frost twice your level because the game gave you special treatment 3 palaces ago and money falls from the sky like rain and then the game still acts like it was a close contest that required the pts to have all hands on deck, but broadly the game (mainly the midgame) imo feels very intentionally trying to bait more naive players into feeling like they have more impact on the world than they do. youre famous, you have fancy toys, and no villain yet has been able to best you, but the main sociological impact is that youre briefly a marketable fad whos stopped a double digit number of individual criminals
which isnt nothing but its not the same as inspiring society writ large to also take a stand (ie. the original reason you continued to be pts after the wilton event), which is a necessary precondition for broader systemic change

but also that would play a lot better if it was only the midgame that was easy, rather than me being able to instakill my way through depths because stamp collecting made me overleveled i think they prob just dont have a good playtesting system lol, like the early game is basically fine but then after that every fucking resource is in comical abundance

[fresh mulch]

yeah. kamoshida's palace actually handles the feeling really well

if you try to complete in one day, it is possible, but you are barely scraping by

but then the game keeps giving your more and more stuff that exponentially makes you more op, and there's no recovery from that

im talking dozens of completely unrelated mechanics that coalesce into the big dopamine hit of being op af

like, it feels good, but i dont think it serves the themes

[uncut depot]

special treatment being moved to rank 5

[fresh mulch]

while i do think part of it is intentional, im not sure i'd say it was intentionally done to tie with the narrative of growing popularity. mostly because i dont see the game caring much about these things often, but only the people behind the decisions know if it was on purpose or not. it does serve this effect

[fresh mulch]

royal in a nutshell

oh yea, in the intro post i go

Why FEMC???

but i do have a good reason that is tied to what im talking about rn

i was going with this rei, that is basically identical to ren in all but some things, not just because i didnt want to do all the jazz to make a whole new femc from the groundup (it was a reason), but because i actually think the message of the story benefits from this

one thing you might or not notice, is how in shujin, the students constantly remark how normal ren looks, but because of the criminal record, they think he's a violent delinquent
sure, i think this is fine and works, but there is an angle about it that i dont like. it's the 'he looks normal' part
to preface, for a game that wants to actually make money with the otaku crowd, the way they handle the mc is how they should be doing
but joker is target of social isolation and prejudice because of an action. a good action that he paid for unfairly by people in power, so it does serve the narrative fyi
however, i do think it would be more potent for joker to be ultimately be disliked regardless of criminal record or not. the criminal record is what allows the students that were already prejudiced to have 'proof', but even if that was not the case, joker would've still been disliked regardless for just being who he is
enter the very gender non-confirming girl in the boy's uniform

[grand cipher]

off topic but, would be interesting if you replaced Rei's p4 outfit with Rei's outfit from PQ

[fresh mulch]

do i think p5 shouldve been like that? no
do i think that, for a business perspective, p5 did the right things? yes

but there are always ways to tackle the same story and highlight different aspects. thats a huge reason fanfic exists

[fresh mulch]

i did want at least one fem outfit for rei, so if there is going to be one, this works lol

[grand cipher]

where would the long hair come from tho?

[fresh mulch]

i would keep the hair short

(again, if i disliked p5 i wouldnt be even talking about it)

[grand cipher]

and you would use the girl p4 outfit with tinting it yellow right?

[fresh mulch]

its not really the same thing. there needs a model change

[uncut depot]

i did read this article a while back cus i have a persona essential rss feed, and honestly the keywording of hope at the start of the p5 section kinda makes some things slot in place for me
like if nothing else (because troubled development, or corporate sucking, etc) they want people to come away from the game feeling change is possible even in a world without miraculous mind magic, rather than slipping into the doomer abyss, and this is why the party confidants have them mostly trying to solve their problems the normal way and then the game ends with them giving up said mind magic until strikers lol but opening up the potential to rally people toward change. and then the headache of actually rallying people toward your cause is more metaphor's focus idk i still have to play metaphor lol :V

[fresh mulch]

actually, have the p4 outfit still be the boys' uniform, but have a new outfit be this one

shouldn't be too hard to add new outfit id right?

[fresh mulch]

not sure i'll ever play metaphor honestly

[uncut depot]

me when overstuffed steam library

[grand cipher]

shouldn't be, I've seen tons of costume framework mods., though I've never made one

[fresh mulch]

but a counterpoint of hope vs doom thing. the feeling of hope is kind of directly proportional to the feeling of despair

so im not advocating for a more doomeristic story, on the opposite

[uncut depot]

youre saying itd be more potent with more contrast

[fresh mulch]

yeah basically

think of like, the more pain you feel, the more relieved you get when it stops

talking again about kamoshida's arc, i think that it is a great example of this concept

[fresh mulch]

(i havent actually bought it lol. not sure im feeling it tbh)

[fresh mulch]

as someone that maybe plays too many hard games, this is something im very familiar with

nothing inspires me more than struggling like hell, but persisting and coming out of it better

(isnt this like, the whole thing of third semester?)

[uncut depot]

ive played a bit of the demo

and then bought it cus it confirmed to me that i wanted it, only for me to let it sink into the depths of my steam library

[fresh mulch]

THE DEPTHS????????????

https://tenor.com/view/persona-fans-antoine-court-de-gebelin-persona-persona-meme-persona-reference-gif-2417890868574015894

[uncut depot]

surely someone out there has made that joke but with jeremy bentham
i can feel it in my bones

[grand cipher]

his fates in the cards.

[fresh mulch]

btw dont ask me how the rampant yuri and polycules enhance the themes

(well, you can make a case)

[uncut depot]

its woke

thats how

[fresh mulch]

the pts want to spread the woke mind virus along the depths of mementos 😈

[strong moat]

the passives are the ones that cause the biggest issue though. the stat ones frankly don't really cause any balance issues and decreasing the gains further would cause them to border on

[fresh mulch]

bralwer went back to offline mode

[strong moat]

agree and it's interesting because P5R's additions were very good but also P5R is probably the least cohesive Persona rerelease by far

[fresh mulch]

i dont think you understood what i was talking about when it came to stat gains?

[strong moat]

then feel free to elaborate bc that's how I understood it lol

[strong moat]

what are you talking about?

[uncut depot]

could be worse, i dont have a comparable half-defense of reload balancing :V

[fresh mulch]

[strong moat]

:)

[strong moat]

oh I didn't really consider reload bc it's a remake and thus changes a lot of stuff but don't get me wrong, I have many negative things to say about it

[uncut depot]

understandable have a nice day

[strong moat]

lmaoooo fortunately it's not relevant here

[fresh mulch]

lets think like
accessory that gives you dekunda is like idk (im making this on the spot): +3en/ag/lu
that gives a very good utility option on your extra slot, while making the wearer way more durable in every aspect (defense, dodging, ailment/crit rates)
now lets think of a more busted accessory, like one that gives uh... idk enduring soul: +1 luck
it is ultimately a trade off of utility and stats

these do add up when every piece of gear give stats

armor, melee, gun, and accessory

[strong moat]

mmm I see

[fresh mulch]

amps are going to be on the small stat giving bracket, but they are still very useful, specially if you equip for specific enemies that are weak to that element

because this is an accessory you can equip and unequip whenever, i think there is more room for amps as long as the other accessories have other advantages. its different from having to delete an amp skill that you are way less likely to commit to

[strong moat]

conceptually it seems like an alright idea

[fresh mulch]

ig we'll just have to see in practice

[strong moat]

yeppp

would have to see a draft haha

[fresh mulch]

plus, the amp accessories are very expensive remember

talking of expensive, i have to find out what determines the confusion money giving rate

its def per enemy

[strong moat]

I do not remember that because I don't think the cost was ever even discussed when I was around lol

[fresh mulch]

its in vanilla lol

in the jewel store added to royal

[strong moat]

oh I thought you had already discussed changes

I cannot lie I didn't give af about that bc I used more useful accessories like gods hand

[fresh mulch]

me just carrying sp adhesive 3 (plus the will seed ones) because i cant be bothered

[strong moat]

true that too

[uncut depot]

same lol

[fresh mulch]

but basically, the idea is that for general palace exploring, it would be best to give yourself as many stats as possible, with some utility skills in case you need them (specially if it allows you to get rank 4 baton passes, since the health of enemies here are HUGE)

[strong moat]

sp adhesive 3 made it really easy to one shot dungeons but even in kamoshida's palace in royal, I was able to one shot it

[fresh mulch]

i wonder how different p5 wouldve been without this item

[strong moat]

instead of being able to one shot dungeons easily by the 2nd palace you'd be able to by the 3rd or 4th

aka: not very much

sp adhesive just makes it very comfortable

[fresh mulch]

in theory, a boss is the best place to bring the stronger skills at the cost of stats, because you know what you are facing

[strong moat]

keep in mind that stat gains have diminishing returns

[fresh mulch]

cant wait to see how many of my theories get disproven

[strong moat]

you'll definitely want to have a playthrough done yea

[fresh mulch]

i do worry over late game yeah

[uncut depot]

yeah honestly the sp adhesive was nice in royal but i was fine without it

[strong moat]

sp adhesive isn't the only source of sp after all

[fresh mulch]

tbf thats also royal's doing

[uncut depot]

shoutout to my shitty therapist

[fresh mulch]

im pretty sure making a deal where you use your therapy sessions to hear him yapping is very professional

[uncut depot]

i honestly dont remember the sp economy in og that well, i think in...one version of the game i got a lil careless with it at the start of futaba palace and had to phys spam my way through

[strong moat]

I only ever played P5 once

[uncut depot]

same

[strong moat]

I promised one of my oomfs I would play it though

[fresh mulch]

i played p5 i think twice or thrice cant remember

[strong moat]

(replay it)

[fresh mulch]

i was in the middle of a playthrough when they announced royal

[strong moat]

I'll probably just emulate it. I no longer have access to the PS3 I originally used to play the game

[uncut depot]

id basically just finished it when they announced royal lol

[fresh mulch]

it was like a year after i've already brought og

[fresh mulch]

not even a ps4?

[fresh mulch]

there was:
sp adhesive
invigorate 3
i think one of futaba's late game skills
sp items that you have a few of for most bosses, but you are not loaded of them if you dont go out of your way

technically spirit drain pft

[uncut depot]

yeah futaba can give bench sp and i think a little randomly in battle

[strong moat]

I do have a PS4 but I don't really want to buy another copy of P5 OG just to play it on hardware when I can just play on my PC

[uncut depot]

i got my ps4 entirely as a p5 machine lol
theoretically also a kh machine but i never actually ended up playing it

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah i do not condone buying og p5

even when i think og is the better experience, specially for the first time, buying it is a waste of money

[fresh mulch]

lmao same

then i got the dancing games too

i dont play playstation games

funnily enough, if p5 was out on switch (... it's such a waste of money from atlus not doing it, specially after smash )i wouldve probably just gotten it there since i already had one

[uncut depot]

maybe i jailbreak it (again, i did once before but borked it), dump the few games i have and then just sell it. not like i ever use it anymore
i doubt my kh purchase qualifies for a return since it was years ago but i also have so little time in it that maybe i should check anyway

[strong moat]

I think I agree but it is hard to justify playing such a long game multiple times to many people

is unfortunate

I get it tho

[fresh mulch]

yeah i'd say that its a thing you had to be there for

[uncut depot]

yeah no i dont qualify for refund
lmao

[fresh mulch]

wait you can refund ps games

[uncut depot]

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/store/ps-store-refund-request/#eligibility

[fresh mulch]

>has not been downloaded 😭 wtf

consoles and anticonsumer refund policies. name a better duo

[uncut depot]

junpeitrue

if kh had been on pc at the time id prob have just wasted my money on that ver instead

[fresh mulch]

at least you could mod it

[uncut depot]

"you can refund your games but only if you basically just bought it or its defective somehow"

[fresh mulch]

i dont think i've ever brought a game on console that is not exclusive to it in a long time, simply because at least i want the ability to mod in case i want to

[fresh mulch]

today i havent actually done anything with the mod

although i do think the yapping helped somewhat

[strong moat]

I haven't touched modding stuff in a while either lol

It's easier to yap

[uncut depot]

it do be that way sometimes

[fresh mulch]

imagine... haru and rei, married, running a cozy cat cafe, and utilizing morgana's human-like abilities for awe and profit uh i mean, having mona be able to hang around and receive pets, yeah

https://tenor.com/view/morgana-haru-haru-okumura-persona5-haru-persona-gif-27376303

[grand cipher]

honestly, I could see Haru opening a cat cafe.

[fresh mulch]

it just fits her so well

[fresh mulch]

not surprised tbh

(was expecting femc or yuri to win tho)

[fresh mulch]

i should probably edit the difficulty choice text so its obvious merciless is not the intended experience nor its playtested

[fresh mulch]

good night homos

https://tenor.com/view/hey-cat-waving-wave-paw-gif-18029335

maybe tomorrow i write again

[simple knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flash-camera-flashbang-gif-14820120581461492980

good night

[simple knoll]

thought I'd share with the Yuri thread, caitvi, a Yuri ship, made it into the top 3 most posted pairing on ao3 this year. a Yuri ship has never done this before

I love my autocorrect capitalizing yuri

[fresh mulch]

Poggers

Morning homos

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/caitvi-piltover's-finest-caitlyn-kiramman-arcane-arcane-vi-gif-17447367619141140604

[sullen drift]

So although this might be way down the line and I am not sure where you could put it. I adore Ryuji. And If there is a way to do it without distracting from the larger narrative(there’s a lot of prominent Npcs and they could also just be a new character) What if Ryuji at some point starts dating someone who is trans masc/nb? Maybe they weren’t quite out when they met Ryuji and he asks Rei and Futaba how best he can support them. This also sounds like someone Yusuke might date as well and Yusuke goes to a completely different school.

Or… Yusuke or Ryuji find their childhood friemd is transitiioning and awkwardly talk to Futaba and Rei about it. Cause Rei “seems like she could help”

Yusuke would be an utter disaster with said childhood friend(also the friend mighy be a Madarama student) I think with Ryuji it would depend on the gender their friend was when they grew up.

Yusuke tends to get left behind in the plot a lot so it might be a way to bring him back down the line after Futaba is a bigger part.

[fresh mulch]

you could make this into a fanfic

[quiet prism]

Let's not get to crazy shall we? My opinion of course.

[fresh mulch]

i dont think i'll have ocs here besides rei (and rei is not even that much of an oc tbh)

[sullen drift]

OOOOH. Thanks for the vote of confidence. I have a wip for P3 and… thank you.

I like that idea.

(thanks the gods she is known as King of Mysteriousness and not Queen of Lesbianness)

FYI Girlkisser is known as Queen of Lesbianness.

[sullen drift]

Rei is a great OC for what it’s worth though

[fresh mulch]

guys im sorry but i think this mod will only continue development next year

happy new year

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

my new year resolution will be kissing a girl for the first time

[sullen drift]

I give you Aigis as both the ultimate Girlfriend and the ultimate wingman.

Good luck Nee-san

[fresh mulch]

i always wanted to smooch a toaster

[fresh mulch]

i've been wondering what is there in madarame's arc that could be changed/expanded upon

so far i remember: a slight alteration to the nude painting hijinks, and gay and/or ace yusuke(which kinda is part of the first point but anyway)

but i want to know, how is madarame as a villain?

vote

[uncut depot]

the issue is i dont actually dislike any of the rulers (even if i do think the backstories would be an improvement, at least if they were written competently)

like i do think the writing quality is variable but i dont have any particular emotional issue lol

[fresh mulch]

considering how they are inspired by real people, it's kinda of sad how they barely expand on them tho

[fresh mulch]

oh and the will seed flashback thingie. it'll be for all of them tho

[uncut depot]

tbf itd be a lil weird to write fanfic of ones armchair psychoanalysis of a random shitbag they saw in the news
ripping their wrongdoings from the news is one thing but past that it gets a little uhhh

[fresh mulch]

they dont use the same names right?

[uncut depot]

no

but itd still be safer to make them their own characters who happen to do the same crimes for shown-to-the-player reasons

[fresh mulch]

its more like taking something they did and applying to a character separate from the criminals

[uncut depot]

i just mean the basis should probably start and end with the wrongdoings though looking at it i feel like thats what ur inclined to do anyway

[fresh mulch]

its funny. p5 is the game that takes the most inspiration from recent events, and it is the one with the big ass disclaimer of 'any resemblance to living and dead is coincidental'

the personas are literally characters from books

[uncut depot]

i could swear its not the only game though to have that, even just in persona/smt
(though also its almost certainly to cover their ass in case like...shinzo abes estate or w/e gets any ideas about a libel lawsuit)

[fresh mulch]

yknow, its yaldy's voice that tells you that, and when you refuse to accept this contract, he says this

and the text changes from a blue to this cyanish color

the symbolism is kinda neat

[fresh mulch]

wait a minute, couldn't mickey mouse be a persona?

[uncut depot]

not if copyright law has anything to say about it :D

[fresh mulch]

disney sues the collective subconscious

damn brats...

[grand cipher]

damn rats - mickey mouse haters

[fresh mulch]

guys it came out positive...

(what the heck i'm doing instead of modding)

[grand cipher]

you ask that when this channel is literally #general but with bits of mod in it

[fresh mulch]

nuh uh

its #yuri thankyouverymuch

[grand cipher]

oh shit myb.

may girlkisser forgive my mistake

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-disappointed-disgusted-kitten-gif-8893462376520600758

[grand cipher]

that would be a no. ;-;

[fresh mulch]

fine im back from my break

[fresh mulch]

this whole sequence took longer than it should've 🫠

i have to commend past-me, she did quite a lot already

[fresh mulch]

this is what i got for today

i think im quite satisfied with this part?

(if there are any thoughts, please share)

anyway im gonna sleep for today. happy new year

https://tenor.com/view/happy-new-yuri-2025-new-year-gif-16979503352110671644

omg i know this one

really good. i recommend

night gays

[fresh mulch]

(one of the main characters is trans btw. i was surprised)

[fresh mulch]

Good mornin of a new year

[fresh mulch]

i should probably write some p5 fics

||i wouldnt be able to share them here tho ||

[rustic shadow]

Ouuuuuuu I'll be down to read it.

[fresh mulch]

[strong moat]

happy new yuri!!

[fresh mulch]

is it your birthday?

[strong moat]

it is :)

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

in new years? damn

[strong moat]

yeppppp

https://tenor.com/view/persona-4-great-vegetables-dojima-happy-birthday-birthday-gif-18307708751138015950

[fresh mulch]

imagine having to rush to the hospital to give birth in the new years

the traffic congestion

[strong moat]

apparently it was at noon so it probably wasn't as bad

[weary rapids]

Happy birthday Brawler

[sullen drift]

I loved this Yuri so much

[fresh mulch]

its so good i wanna go through it again eventually

||btw the nsfw patch is great—||

[uncut depot]

i was almost born on new years, i was due for 1/2 and mom wanted to induce on 1/1(/2000!), but then my newborn ass decided to pop out early for some reason :V

[strong moat]

skill issue

[strong moat]

thank you :)

[fresh mulch]

so the consensus seems to be that madarame is just okayish

i think i have some ideas i'll let cook on the back of my mind

first things first: haru's rank 1 and 2

and then i should only need kamoshida's willseed flashbacks (i wonder if i could snuggle a boss in them, like how strikers does)

[uncut depot]

i put ok but honestly thats probably on the harsh end for me, i dont really have problems with the rulers in general other than did they really need to load 7th palace with so much pointless exposition

[strong moat]

i shouldve voted horrendous just to drag the average down

lol

i dont like madarame. he has the potential to be ok but he doesnt even reach that

[uncut depot]

"the sayuri scam was a money stream for the conspiracy" well shit, thats one hell of a mystery no one thought was a mystery and didnt really need solving, but damn if it didnt just get solved so nice work

<== has funny homestuck quotes living rent free in her brain

[fresh mulch]

i still have no idea what a homestuck is, and i went to the site for like 30 mins

https://tenor.com/view/cat-water-fountain-face-cute-gif-10731183726034091306

i'll leave you with this dumbass while i go back to haru's event

[fresh mulch]

yknow, once i finish the april demo, i might take some time to learn about exe editing

it seems too useful to not know how to do

oh i just realized

since i'll have haru's romance be able to start in the story regardless of slink, i do need to later on add different dialogue to most ranks for if you are romancing Haru

the dynamic changes quite a bit

https://youtu.be/bdfyoTPuce8

holy
fucking
shit

this slaps

[fresh mulch]

the cute fem and her handsome butch gf

[fresh mulch]

omg i think the event is done

i just need some polishes and then record the vid

[grand cipher]

do we even know what the sumire npc is suppose to do? When I talked to her before she softlocked my game

[fresh mulch]

she opens a menu with debug stuff

(is it from the mod i added that brings me to this field from the titlescreen?)

[fresh mulch]

btw did you wait for her animations to play?

[simple knoll]

opens a debug menu atlus accidentally left in the full release

but it's not translated. it's all in japanese

it doesn't have much use because we have shrinefox modmenu

[fresh mulch]

there is quite a lot of stuff not in the modmenu tho

like starting at different parts

[simple knoll]

oh cool I wouldn't know since I can't read the Japanese lol

[fresh mulch]

i cant either lmao

but i mastered the art of clicking buttons

[fresh mulch]

okay guys, I think I cooked

lemmed record it real quick

tell me what yall think

[fresh mulch]

nevermind i overhyped it

after this i have the 'followup' event i'll have to change, because in the original you are in front of leblanc

shouldn't be too hard to add an 'entry' to the phone call confidant thing

(i'd really appreciate feedback)

(one thing i'm still unsure about and i'll need to come back later on with new eyes is the current pacing. for now this probably suffices)

(if you compare to the previous pilot i sent of this scene, i trimmed most of the exposition since i want those to be spreadout across the later events)

[lunar vector]

Interesting... what's the extra textbox before the Sae scene? Are you doing these for all the party confidants...?

[fresh mulch]

for all confidants

[quiet prism]

It does sound like it foreshadows the shadow

[lunar vector]

I see...

[fresh mulch]

the vids i posted of ryuji and ann have this too

[quiet prism]

To the media tab.

[fresh mulch]

(the... 4 hour long one )

[quiet prism]

To your YouTube channel.

[fresh mulch]

btw the... music(?) in that part is My Name Is Philemon from P1 (its just the music's name, hopefully who's talking is obviously lavenza)

[lunar vector]

My thoughts are, ironically given my apparent reputation as The Angst Guy, that part of me wants Haru's earlier ranks to show off her sillier side a bit more. It doesn't have to be much... but one of her main dynamics with Joker in vanilla is how much she loves his sense of humor, and is kinda down to clown. (Contrast that with Ann, who doesn't have a sense of humor at all and doesn't appreciate Joker's clownishness, lmao.)

I like her relationship with nature here... but it feels like it's a bit of a serious thought that needs to wait a rank or two?

But I could be convinced otherwise.

[fresh mulch]

i'll probably have the intermission event (before rank 2) be more lighthearted

i do want to introduce the core hook rn (not like people need it to be convinced of doing haru's confidant tbf...)

[lunar vector]

Like, I could be convinced as in, maybe this is Haru having more of a serious moment than usual? But I feel like I want a more lighthearted leadin to feel the contrast that makes that pay off.

[fresh mulch]

i'll see as i do the later ranks

[lunar vector]

If that makes sense.

🙂‍↕️

[fresh mulch]

i can always switch this around

[lunar vector]

I guess I'm thinking, cut down some of the dialogue on the bench, but start with a lighthearted moment of interaction at the top so that the seriousness hits in a "oh shit this got weirdly real" sort of way.

[fresh mulch]

while we are at it, if anyone has an idea of a simpler rank 1...

[fresh mulch]

i'll keep a mental tab on this

thanks for the honest thoughts

[lunar vector]

No prob 😁 We wanna see our girl done justice

[fresh mulch]

she deserves the vision i have for her properly realized 🔥

i can def always get some honest help with writing (and whenever i release this, its going to be out to the wolves anyway )

[grand cipher]

will haru finally be getting more screentime

[fresh mulch]

>4/18
idk she might not be ||/s||

its so funny

you just have the daughter of the equivalent of mcdonald's CEO on this school, and you only ever hear of her when the okumura arc starts

[grand cipher]

mcdonalds lol

[fresh mulch]

idk why they never went back and connected later events to make proper sense with the world

no wonder the story feels episodic, characters just appear to sprout out of nowhere

(and no, the random haru npc that appears sometimes in school does not help)

[fresh mulch]

also, another thing that causes this

it seems the npcs are always conveniently talking of the next target

why tf is everyone in tokyo suddenly interested in madarame?

it just makes the story feel more artificial, and the world not actually a living thing

[lunar vector]

No one knowing who Haru is before her arc is so wild, honestly....

Nobody knows there's a rich heiress at school? Really??

[fresh mulch]

why is she even in shujin tbh

surprised okumura didnt homeschool her

[grand cipher]

maybe it's the closest in the area? Similar to Rise's case

[fresh mulch]

tbf for rise, its not like her parents are the ones loaded

but someone like okumura would think of schools differently

(anyway this doesnt matter much at the end of the day. just thought its funny)

[grand cipher]

but you raise a good point. If okumura is rich he COULD have just hired a teacher to homeschool her.

[fresh mulch]

yeah but sometimes i forgive the plot for contrivedness, because most stories require a good amount of it tbf

as long as its not too bad

something quite funny is how mitsuru being in the quite normal school is actually justified by the plot

[fresh mulch]

btw if anyone missed, i did an event

feel free to concrit

[fresh mulch]

im sleepy

gnight homos

hm... i think i might try out this whole butch thing eventually

(specially if i ever go to a parade)

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-is-sleeping-gif-4683210518268673394

happy new year

[quiet prism]

You know after going through all of them, I noticed that each one mentions another of the Arcana. Ryuji has the tower and Ann has the Devil. And now Haru the Hanged Man... Is that due to their situations or have even deeper meaning?

[fresh mulch]

I have mentioned that they all have dual arcanas here before

Morning homos

[fresh mulch]

It opens with their situation, but a third arcana reveals itself on their resolution (rank 10)

[quiet prism]

Got it.
Let me see if I remember them correctly.

Tower: Sudden upheaval, unforeseen destruction or change. (Ryuji's rashness caused his leg to be broken by Kamoshida, losing his chance at a scholarship and pariah status at shujin.)
Moon: Illusions and Mysteries. (Obvious to anyone who's played p5 all the way through, but I'll still spoil block for those who somehow haven't. ||Yaldabaoth's manipulation of Joker throughout the game.||)
Devil: Addiction, Chains - both actual and metaphorical and restrictions (Kamoshida's manipulation of Ann and Shiho keeping them from actually walking on him, as well as the rumors about Ann.)
And I wasn't able to find Morgana's.

[fresh mulch]

I think mona's is after the video ends, so i havent uploaded it yet

But he's Hermit

[uncut depot]

||i was expecting that spoiler to be sumire lol (i have not been fully paying attention)||

[fresh mulch]

||you shouldnt need to spoiler tag either here tbh||

[quiet prism]

Hermit: Morgana's loss of identity and memories has caused him(her?) isolation despite joining the thieves, which causes the ability to be a teacher as the magician requires to be hampered though not fully lost.

[fresh mulch]

(mona's still a he)

https://tenor.com/view/goth-goth-cat-black-goth-cat-cat-black-cat-gif-13580267959542514666

morgana after hrt

[sullen drift]

That’s so cooked it’s deep fried.

Well done.

I love the quote about nature.

I imagine Haru getting stranded in the woods with nothing but an axe for 3 months.

She survives just fine… and Comes back barely changed at all… other then she is a lot stronger from chopping wood and killing bears.

(I think Haru has a secret flannel closet)

[fresh mulch]

killing bears? don't you mean tame them? 😈

[sullen drift]

this is true. when she leaves her cabin, a cadre of Tamed bears are sad that she is leaving.

She promises the bears that she will come back to check on them and see how good they have gotten at tending vegetables.

especially the Kumaquats

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-wave-waving-park-zoo-gif-5684532

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-persona-5-persona-5-royal-futaba-futaba-sakura-gif-17639699889579586587

dad watching over his daughter and her girlfriend

[fresh mulch]

hm i wonder what haru's rank 1 could be instead, so i move this one to rank 2...

[fresh mulch]

sorry guys but development will be halted until i get a perfect score against this stupid fucking clown god i hate him so much

[fresh mulch]

development is back

[fresh mulch]

i think i'll move this to rank 2

i'm trying to think what rank 1 can be. i know that i want an event that plays when you interact with the new mechanic of helping haru with the garden, which would be necessary to allow her rank 2 to activate. that would be after rank 1

if anyone has any ideas, feel free to voice them so i can steal them thank you

[weary rapids]

Stealing ideas are we? Can’t believe you

[fresh mulch]

i can

[weary rapids]

So I guess that event before starting Kamoshida (AKA actually playing the game) doesnt count?

[fresh mulch]

it introduces the ability to start her srank, but its not part of it

[fresh mulch]

look, haru's puffy sweater-thingy may be iconic...

but her summer outfit is just 👌

|| ||

idk why but im a huge fan of sleeveless stuff

[fresh mulch]

they should kiss

[fresh mulch]

wait, wasn't the diner closed during april?

i guess i can just open it

(you can spend time during the day there, right?)

[fresh mulch]

time to work on the actual rank 1, then the tending crop mechanic that i'll tie to the event that unlocks rank 2, then we go back to the park event i already made for rank 2

[fresh mulch]

i am having a terrible but fun idea

having more crops, like p4 does

it shouldnt be too hard honestly

i know how to add items, edit flowscript, and mess with the shop tables already

thats all i need really

[fresh mulch]

actually, i could maybe make a small standalone mod of this?

eh i'll finish this first. if there's anything i could turn into its own mod i do after the demo

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/makoharu-makoto-niijima-haru-okumura-kwoomochi-gif-8269497492992030046

i should really play some tactica when i take breaks

[wide carbon]

does any mod discussion ever go on here? Every time I check this thread its just Yuri

[simple knoll]

sometimes

[wide carbon]

[fresh mulch]

surprisingly, yes

[wide carbon]

Haha fair enough

Question while I've got you here

What sort of gameplay changes are you trying to make? I checked the original post but it didn't really get that in depth. I assume you're trying to make it harder but to what extent?

[fresh mulch]

its not necessarily about making stuff harder, per se. that is mostly a side effect of the mod's philosophy of stripping the player || || from the power fantasy that is usually present in these games. some stuff is harder, some stuff is not really harder in a difficulty sense, but more inconvenient and require more friction, and some stuff is even easier, funnily enough.
the idea is for the world to not revolve around you anymore. you'll see quite a bit of this idea in action once i start getting to the actual daily sim mechanics, because right now I only mostly have the metaverse stuff to show

one thing i talked extensively here is how I'm making social links require way more investment to increase ranks, and how you'll often be time gated out of them, instead of rushing it all in a single ingame month. this is an example

however, to account for the player needing to spend more days in things like this, I counterbalance by having more varied ways of gaining social stats and confidant points

i'm avoiding making stuff purely frustrating at least

oh and uh yuri ig

[wide carbon]

I'm not sure what your plans are exactly in regards to this

But one of the things I disliked about the school life in p5 was that exams really had no purpose other than boost your charm or w/e

iirc past persona games would give you social points with your S Links when scoring well

So that could be one of the possible methods you could take maybe

[fresh mulch]

small stuff like that i'm messing with too. i still havent thought much about exams tho

[wide carbon]

no worries

I'm just yapping

Not my place to tell you how to make your mod 😂

[fresh mulch]

i like not being the only yapping

[uncut depot]

they do also give accessories if you do good tbf, whatever thats worth

[wide carbon]

I'm gonna yap a bit more then 😂

[fresh mulch]

sojiro gives some really weird accessories

[uncut depot]

boss undies

[fresh mulch]

one thing related to this: classroom questions work differently. now, if you get it right, you gain +2 Charm (instead of vanilla's +2 Knowledge); while if you get it wrong, you gain +3 Knowledge (instead of vanilla's nothing)

[wide carbon]

I wish trash mobs in this game weren't just trash mobs. Like I'd love for the battles to take longer and require more actual thinking. Would love that and just lower the actual amount of encounters to compensate for the increased battle length lol

idk if thats even possible or what you plan to do

but would love a difficulty mod that did that

make me think but also dont waste my time just for the sake of padding 😂

[fresh mulch]

small stuff like this that serve both for more interesting gameplay, and imo this case also ties back to the themes (also, more fun roleplaying since its not suboptimal)

[wide carbon]

yeah having to follow along a guide is lame

thats a cool change

[uncut depot]

i think they just need to at least not crumple like wet tissue paper
ideally also collectively wear you down by attrition but idk that thats possible when the vanilla game gives you infinite fucking resources

[fresh mulch]

the mobs here have a lot more health, 'multiple alloutattacks' type of health. however the battles dont take too long, and you can reliably get away without giving enemies too many turns if you play the baton pass game correctly

(also, i removed exp scaling, so you do have to fight the enemies lol)

[wide carbon]

You mean I can just do a hit and run? 😂

god I use the 😂 emote too much 😭

[fresh mulch]

i also gave mona hama at the start, and you really appreciate instakills when the enemies take forever to die otherwise

(granted, i had to artificially increase enemy susceptibility to hama in kamoshida's castle cause unboosted its quite trash)

[wide carbon]

It was great when I got to endgame of my p5r playthrough and I could just instakills the entire encounter lol

by the by

girlkisser

[fresh mulch]

thats me

[wide carbon]

is it safe to assume Ann and Kasumi are your favs

with that status

[fresh mulch]

im trying to have grinding be much harder at least. dunno how well i can manage that

[fresh mulch]

it changes based on my mood but most of the time yes

[wide carbon]

Gotcha

I played P5 but didn't play P5R until this year and only finished a few days ago

Sumi good

just wanted to share

hot take im sure

[fresh mulch]

sumi is my normie fav, ann is my underrated fav

https://tenor.com/view/jrpg-ann-takamaki-persona-5-ann-panther-gif-24208740

[wide carbon]

tbh when I first played P5 at launch I never really liked anyone from the cast that much

[fresh mulch]

my feminist ass loves her

[fresh mulch]

tbh same

[wide carbon]

I think I liked P5 more as a whole this time than when I did in 2017

I'm not sure if thats because of any changes/additional content or just because time has passed

[fresh mulch]

in my case i liked it more as i matured

[wide carbon]

Do you frequently replay?

For me it's been since 2017 so I'd forgotten basically everything except for a broad outline of the story

[fresh mulch]

on launch i did multiple playthroughs until 100% for both og and royal, but i dont often come back and replay

[wide carbon]

ohh gotcha

I'm looking forward to a replay eventually with the Rose&Violet mod but I don't have it in me to do that right away haha

Right now I'm just trying to find any good fanfic with Sumi to fill Sumi shaped void in my life

If anyone got any let me know 👀

[fresh mulch]

lately i was planning on writing some oneshot fics for p5...

[wide carbon]

Tell me more 👀

[fresh mulch]

sorry but its not for good boys and girls and others inbetween

[wide carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/sakurai-reaction-masahiro-sakurai-live-reaction-gif-8966057681813825919

[grand cipher]

so if we're bad we get more info

[fresh mulch]

you get the bonk

[fresh mulch]

might as well already think of the mechanics of this

since haru will be from the beginning, but she'll have half of her ranks timegated for a long time until she joins, i can get away with giving quite a sizeable point requirement for ranking up

and a time productive way of doing this without needing to go on the generic dates would be having the mechanic that allows the player to spend time to help with the crops

im thinking of lowering the harvest time by like, 2 days? as well as giving more haru confidant points, and kindness points

[wide carbon]

oh you're adding Haru in early?

Or just the garden lol

[fresh mulch]

early empress confidant, but not noir

aka she'll be a confidant npc and join the phantom thieves later

[wide carbon]

ohh gotcha

[fresh mulch]

(i recommend looking into the pins for stuff ive been doing)

ignore half of the pins too

[grand cipher]

ah yes ANNGST

[wide carbon]

hmmm yess

very informative

[fresh mulch]

tbf this sets the tone

[wide carbon]

where Hifumi

[fresh mulch]

holy shit is past midnight

night, homos

the favorites are competing this time

vote as i sleep

[wide carbon]

Is Sumi and Futaba a popular ship? I had never considred it

[simple knoll]

yeah it's kind of obscure because they interact maybe twice substantially

it mostly stems from them being around the same age

[fresh mulch]

Its more than that but that is a factor

Mornin

[weary rapids]

Mornin fellow gay

[weary rapids]

Doesnt stop the popularity

I know a ship like that that everyone loves so much and the writers are cowards that they made it canon

[fresh mulch]

Shipping doesnt have to be canon compliant. People see potential chemistry and latch onto it

Plus, fics and fanart are often the perfect place for these ships of characters that barely interact, because you can explore what canon didnt

[fresh mulch]

i think my current setup for sumitaba works?

[terse shadow]

girlkisser

Jump

[Go to message!](#1440097821834612838 message)

[fresh mulch]

basically, futaba learns of sumi at about the same time as vanilla, but here she gets more of a crush from watching her save jonkle. nothing too radical a change

[weary rapids]

At the point they harass the VAs about it

[fresh mulch]

okay?

idk about you, but most people that just like a ship aren't on this level

i wont recommend to focus so much on bad actors, they are everywhere for any reason

[fresh mulch]

anyway, i might have handed shihoann this win

deserved tho

(i couldnt find the sauce)

[fresh mulch]

sigh waiting for my ao3 invitation

[weary rapids]

I was referencing RWBY fans

[fresh mulch]

https://youtu.be/zk3S3o1qOHo

im not sure i learned anything from this video, but it does highlight one thing that I am always keeping in mind when developing any game

"Given the possibility, players will optimize the fun out of the game" - Albert Einstein 2023, probably

[weary rapids]

What’s that?

[fresh mulch]

the impacts of hiding information from the player, and how it often ends up detrimental to the experience

[weary rapids]

So harms it? (I just googled that word I have never heard detrimental before)

[fresh mulch]

the two examples used here, balatro and binding of isaac, both have very important information hidden from the player in an attempt to make things more exciting

balatro's it's the score your hand will achieve, isaac is what the items you pick up do

however, with balatro you can easily calculate the score yourself, but it often takes a while and makes the experience worse
isaac you can just google what the item does, and it often makes the experience worse
both take you out of the game to get information from somewhere else

balatro's ends up being less egregious because its mostly an issue in higher level play, while for isaac, even casual players end up frustrated

[fresh mulch]

im always keeping this idea in mind for anything i do, specially because i know from firsthand experience how certain design decisions can lead to stuff like this

a classic persona example: classroom answers

while social links do suffer from guide syndrome, more players seem willing to let themselves be unoptimized for them, and i wonder if this is because of the lack of the negative feedback that getting a classroom question wrong has

classroom questions are a binary 'right' or 'wrong' state. If you are right, you get free social stat points, if you are wrong, you get nothing

this ends up providing a way more negative feedback than just picking the slightly worse answer in a confidant, specially because unless you look up at a guide, you can't tell for sure what it is

a big issue with obfuscating information that the players want to know in order to not make suboptimal decisions, is how it influences many of them to get out of the experience of the game. the moment you open another app in the middle of the gameplay, it's the moment you stop immersing yourself with the game, and you turn it into busywork

[fresh mulch]

(btw the comment section is as awful as you can imagine)

[fresh mulch]

what's up with the human capacity of hating others for enjoying something in a different way than you do?

you see it anywhere someone wants to take a game more seriously, like speedrunning or playing more optimally. people get angry even if its a singleplayer game

[weary rapids]

What else is new

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/classic-ef-where-is-it-yuri-where-the-yuri-at-korone-gif-23665600

[weary rapids]

Did you find it yet?

[fresh mulch]

its here

[fresh mulch]

holy shit sumitaba is almost taking back the lead

what an upset