[P5R PC] Take Your Time | [FEMC & Yuri] Story and Gameplay Overhaul

[sharp yoke]

Or somethin along those lines... Sooo

Like when in Mementos, one of the casual convos is that

[fresh mulch]

futaba is only not gay because waifuism

[quiet prism]

And technically she was interested in everybody's fit, because it was very cosplay-esque

[fresh mulch]

the more and more i think about futaba, the less i can imagine her as straight

[sharp yoke]

Yeah she a freak

Like... that line is WIIILD

[quiet prism]

Well the internet is a very corrupting place. So even if she did have heterosexual tendencies somewhere, it would probably be buried under all of that

[fresh mulch]

do i think the writers intended to make her gay? nah. is this how it ended up anyways? yes

[sharp yoke]

I suppose yeah

[fresh mulch]

contrary to what anime says, straight girls arent sexually interested in other girls

[sharp yoke]

Unfortunately thats a symptom of pornography addiction

So its more than possible with her, as fucked up as it is to say

[fresh mulch]

its not

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/persona5-futaba-sakura-gif-19854516

(lowkey though if she were a guy people would find her as cringy as morgana and the phan site guy)

[sharp yoke]

It's not", in what way

and in regards to what specifically

[uncut depot]

being chronically online does not "make one gay" although in my experience it will crack your egg

[fresh mulch]

i have yet to find a case of a straight girl taking from porn that she should be into women, when pornography literally says the opposite

[sharp yoke]

You'd be surprised. And even then, I'm not saying its a certainty

[fresh mulch]

id be surprised because its not a thing

[uncut depot]

i dont think i would be actually

[fresh mulch]

we can acknowledge the writers may be the ones a bit too porn-brained, not the character they wrote

[uncut depot]

straight dudes who are chronically online gooners do not, in my observation, stop being straight

[quiet prism]

It doesn't change your orientation but it does increase your sexual flexibility. Of course it depends on what kind of media you choose as well

[fresh mulch]

flexibility needs something there already for it to, yknow, flex

so if thats the case? the girl was already into girls, she just awakened

[quiet prism]

Well according to the Kinsey scale no one is completely straight or homosexual

[uncut depot]

thats. not at all what the kinsey scale says

[sharp yoke]

I'm sorry what?

[uncut depot]

also you can tell the kinsey scale was made by an allo. who said that

[fresh mulch]

true, men should bang each other

[sharp yoke]

[quiet prism]

At the very least men can recognize each other's attractiveness, can't exactly recognize the competition if you can't tell who's actually good looking

[rare oriole]

insert that one meme "guys should date guys, girls should date girls"

[uncut depot]

that, my clown friend, is called aesthetic attraction and its not the same-ass thing

[fresh mulch]

the thing is, even if futaba is a gooner, she's a gooner into chicks

what did i just write

[quiet prism]

Well your story in the end go for it

[fresh mulch]

nah im talking of the actual game

if we are taking this angle

[quiet prism]

Character open to interpretation will be my final agree to disagree moment

[sharp yoke]

Hey, that's completely fine

[fresh mulch]

i agree the writers didnt intend to make futaba into girls, she just comes out of that way because the writers are a bit too influenced by anime

~~aka she's gay now ~~

[sharp yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[uncut depot]

the bathhouse scene in strikers (the funny sendai one not the cringe kyoto one)

[fresh mulch]

i forgot there are two 😭

[lunar vector]

Futaba's a hardcore programmer who hangs out online a lot. Which tends to mean there's a specific online crowd you're running with. So like, even with Sojiro, she tends to default to odd, off-color comments -- all of which is to say, I completely buy that her time stuck in her room was also spent on a 4chan equivalent that sort of ruined her sense of normal things to say. Lol.

[uncut depot]

thats just me but with tumblr instead

[lunar vector]

And also she's pretty gay. Unrelatedly.

[quiet prism]

Consider me converted

[fresh mulch]

~~she 'ironically' agreed with the gooners that booba hot until it was not irony anymore ~~

[lunar vector]

REAL.

[uncut depot]

also itd be 2ch aka her namesake :V

[lunar vector]

True...

[fresh mulch]

i like my futaba being a bit of a chronically online loser (affectionate)

[lunar vector]

Some folks like to write her as a tumblrina but like. I'm sorry. That girl is simply a channer 😔

[quiet prism]

Of course doing so relates to all of us then with that way

[fresh mulch]

unfortunately

yknow, with my trans futaba... im afraid that her egg might have cracked in 4chan

[quiet prism]

Wait is Futaba FTM or MTF?

[fresh mulch]

mtf

[quiet prism]

Got it.

[uncut depot]

i like to write her as into homestuck because i was into homestuck and shes literally me

[fresh mulch]

she does look like someone into homestuck

[uncut depot]

i think i could count the number of times ive been on 4chan with one hand lmao, but youre right unfortunately

[fresh mulch]

tbf you get a lot of knowledge from that place randomly across your lifetime

you cant escape the chan

talking of chan, should haru call makoto "niijima-chan" at this point?

[uncut depot]

everyone who isnt a normie has been exposed secondhand to at least 20 different memes that originated on 4chan

[fresh mulch]

normies do without knowing

[quiet prism]

No. They're not that close yet. Even if she wants to be friends her sense of propriety would either have her call her san or the proper address for class president rather than just prez.

[fresh mulch]

niijima-san then

... does any pt besides sumi call others -senpai?

[quiet prism]

The others tried to do it when Makoto joined up but she said there was fine to use her name in a intimate manner

Same with Haru

Before then, there wasn't really a lot of respect given to Makoto so they didn't do it

[lunar vector]

Literally the one time Ryuji even tries to use an honorific, lmfao.

[fresh mulch]

makoto and haru are same grade
i cant imagine ryuji using senpai
ann idk
yusuke is not in the same school. idk if you still use senpai even if not in the same school
futaba is not in any school. idk about here

[quiet prism]

Ann should but didn't, and everyone else you are technically correct since there's no hierarchy between them.

[fresh mulch]

i think sumi's verbal tic is calling everyone senpai at this point

[quiet prism]

Well, outside of futaba, she is the youngest person around and I think for futaba is older by a couple months

[lunar vector]

Lol.

[fresh mulch]

she did try to call futaba senpai no?

[quiet prism]

When she finally joined up during the 3rd semester yes I believe so. Haven't played up to there in a while so I'm not too sure

[lunar vector]

She does, yeah.

[fresh mulch]

"just treat me the same way you would anyone else"
okay, mako-chan

[rare oriole]

is this part of the mod or some fan canon thing?

[lunar vector]

This being the one time Ryuji cares about honorifics at all is so funny to me.

[fresh mulch]

mod

[quiet prism]

Mod.

[fresh mulch]

but ive seen some trans futaba headcanons

(the 4chan comment was mostly a joke)

[quiet prism]

Yes but the thing is you're not allowed to get bottom surgery until you're the legal age of 20, so she wouldn't have been bathing in the girl's bath.

[fresh mulch]

if she passes this well a simple towel would be enough tho

[lunar vector]

Hormones off the internet, tuck game on point

[quiet prism]

Not allowed to bring towels in the bath

[fresh mulch]

also talking of strikers?

[quiet prism]

Yep

You can get hormone therapy early, you're just not allowed to have the bottom surgery yet

[lunar vector]

tuck game on point

[fresh mulch]

if sumi is trans, im terrified of her tucking skills

[fresh mulch]

just cast dickus deletus smh my head

[quiet prism]

Hey I'm just giving you the real world laws. Doesn't have to be the same in the game you know

[uncut depot]

isnt legal adulthood 18 now

[fresh mulch]

im joking around

[lunar vector]

From the same text messages, LMAO....

[quiet prism]

Not I'm aware of, and besides I'm talking about Japan. It is considered the global standard for adult media, but everything else. Like how they raise smoking to 21 here in the US

[fresh mulch]

how do they keep making straight girls sound so gay i dont get male writers

[quiet prism]

Simple, their accidentally inserting themselves into the female characters and wondering how they would speak to a girl like that

[fresh mulch]

... thats... actually very true

like the weirdass 'groping in locker room' trope

[quiet prism]

Yep. The skinship is usually regulated to family members and it usually just means the comforting hug of a mom, during those early years to build up that hormone for parental care. How it became this who knows

[fresh mulch]

sexually repressed men that become mangakas and create the tropes

[quiet prism]

That's fair.

[fresh mulch]

the trope just perpetuates itself from there

[quiet prism]

Hey sex sells

[lunar vector]

Imagine being in a locker room as a teenager where you could so much as glance at the other girls without getting called a slur 😐

[quiet prism]

It was pretty much the same in the guys room don't think that it wasn't

[uncut depot]

(i phrased it like a question to be polite, it literally is](https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h01285/)

[lunar vector]

I don't doubt it.

[quiet prism]

Oh. Well the manga I learned this from was based more around the start of the 2020s so that's why my information was probably outdated.

[fresh mulch]

i tried watching the magical index anime but gosh by the time i got to railgun i couldnt anymore. that was suffering of watching a man's fetish

when the super popular thing otakus recommend is not that good (shocker)

[quiet prism]

Not for everybody admittedly. And besides it's anime, a lot of the nuance from the light novel was removed

[fresh mulch]

i still have a feeling the lesbian character is not treated much better in the ln by the narrative

[quiet prism]

She's not as rapey. Still overly obsessed yes, but not to that level

[uncut depot]

i think i do have a gay transfem friend who likes scientific railgun which is funny

i dont rly have a point here idk why i brought it up

[fresh mulch]

the bar is on the ground

[rare oriole]

that show is peak Anime TM

[quiet prism]

Yeah Kuroko is definitely a polarizing character. If you don't like it you didn't like it not much I can say else about that that'll probably convince you

[fresh mulch]

ill like her if she ever gets a bitch (2000s anime? pft yeah sure)

[uncut depot]

i was in middle school when i discovered anime other than pokémon so nothing rly phases me at this point tbh lol

[fresh mulch]

must be the railguns

[fresh mulch]

im not phased. just disappointed

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah, also otakus recommending ||gobling slayer|| without any content warnings

i dont trust them much

[quiet prism]

No unfortunately her character is all about pining after Mikoto who is planning after the main character. Let's put it this way he is so Misaka sexual, even when her memories were removed she feel right back and obsession with her seeing her once

[quiet prism]

Oof. Yeah I'm not surprised.

[rare oriole]

are you not amused by the 405th lucky pervert haha funny moment

[fresh mulch]

i am very amused (im dead inside)

oh yeah i have to do my events

its nice to be able to see what im doing

[quiet prism]

Visual Event Editor for the win.

[fresh mulch]

EVTUI here

[quiet prism]

... I want to say the same but I know it isn't and yet categorically

[fresh mulch]

i have no idea what you are saying

[quiet prism]

Wait I wasn't supposed to type that. That's just me rambling.

[lunar vector]

Must stop... getting distracted...... trying to get the rendering improvements merged..........

[fresh mulch]

but... gay talk...

[lunar vector]

Gay morale will be improved if I can stop Makoto from balding 😔

[fresh mulch]

true...

[fresh mulch]

i was playing kirby with my cousin so unfortunately i didnt do much progress so far

[quiet prism]

Take your time

[fresh mulch]

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/gifgod-remasteredgifs-cap-captain-america-steve-rogers-gif-4204367497206169684

[rancid shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[quiet prism]

Oh come on I had to. She literally opened the door for the joke

[fresh mulch]

the gays are fighting

[terse shadow]

reminder. theyll be girlfriends

girlkisser

Jump

[Go to message!](#1440097821834612838 message)

[quiet prism]

Second sentence feels off.

I get what you want to mean it's just a syntax feels iffy

[fresh mulch]

seems pretty normal to me. unless someone else thinks its off too

anyway goodnight sapphics and non-sapphics

[quiet prism]

Nighty-o

Found it. I think it should be don't you parrot this crap to me. But as you said, unless others agree, fine as is.

[sullen drift]

Re: if Rei’s first interaction with shido was her saving not a random woman but Sumi… Maybe Futaba and Sumi’s romance has another level because Futaba discovers what happens… Maybe Rei’s memory issues are jogged the first time she(Rei) runs into Sumi?

Or (way left field!) Rei took all responsibility for attacking shido… Nobody knows the woman as she ran off before the police got there.

And it turns out the woman was a Okamura foods employee.
who was incredibly grateful to the stranger who let her keep her anonymity. (something for the extra Haru events)

(And I like your extra Haru events a lot even if you never use my ideas above)

Once again: I really enjoy watching the updates!

[fresh mulch]

Mornin sapphics

[quiet prism]

Morning. What TZ are you in? To be so chipper already

[fresh mulch]

Im in lesbos obviously

did you know? as of 2019 there is no more men in lesbos

[fresh mulch]

holy

yapcentral

[uncut depot]

lemao

[rare oriole]

need a breakdown of how much of that is mod discussion vs gay posting

[fresh mulch]

and when its both?

they should kiss

battle of queens (mitsuru tops)

thinking of using this one for kamoshida's boss fight
https://youtu.be/vR9wfBrB9T4

[edgy field]

Makoto and Makoto should kiss

[fresh mulch]

nuh uh

[edgy field]

damn

[fresh mulch]

progress

[edgy field]

The whole gang is here

[fresh mulch]

cant wait to suffer by having to include haru everywhere from now on

[edgy field]

Haru is worth it.

[fresh mulch]

the continuation

thoughts

the gays are fighting

[quiet prism]

Liking it. Definitely would put more pressure on the coat of making the eventual Kaneshiro break and shadow fight really rewarding.

[fresh mulch]

yall think that santa can be everywhere at once because they actually are a worldwide polycule of old bearded gay men?

[green folio]

the yuri tension is insane

[fresh mulch]

they should slap each other and kiss fr

[tawdry plover]

uh oh

[fresh mulch]

[fresh mulch]

omg i think im done

[fresh mulch]

okay now to figure out wtf is happening in the script for it to not render anything and die

its a crash at the end

🤔

[quiet prism]

We getting there slowly but surely.

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/ann-ann-takamaki-persona-persona-5-tactica-gif-9896567050433213648

me when nothing works

[fresh mulch]

ive never been this blueballed in my life

it looked like it was working.... 😭

[weary rapids]

It least it’s functional

[fresh mulch]

it ends in a crash...

[fresh mulch]

oh well. when in doubt, the scheduler can do it

FINALLY

i just had to call the thing in the fini of the classroom

[fresh mulch]

average shiho's dream

[fresh mulch]

there are indeed 2 cakes here

[fresh mulch]

the full event

thoughts?

i am going to make another event with haru and the pts on the rooftop after this too

[fresh mulch]

(i'd recommend to watch the video first before reading this comment to get an unbiased reading)
anyway ill ramble of my intentions when writing this. im focusing a bit more on cohesion of the world and interrelationships of the characters
||one thing that was deliberate is how it looks like the characters already knew each other before the player came to school.
my intentions are:
makoto and ryuji are not friends, but they are well acquainted because of their inherit positions in the school, with Makoto being the Student Council President, and Ryuji becoming a 'delinquent'. She mirrors the treatment we see from the school staff, except that i tried giving hints of she actually caring a bit for him
makoto doesnt know ann, im sure i made that very clear, she's just familiar with the girl that is often the subject of questionable rumors, specially with it involving a teacher
haru and makoto know each other, being both third years. Makoto is the prez, so of course, and Haru is the daughter of the CEO of a company equivalent to mcdonalds. in fact, later on ann and ryuji will recognize 'Okumura-san' simply because of hearing so much about it secondhand. I might even go back and make some npcs talk about 'the daughter of the Okumura Foods CEO' to cement this idea in the worldbuilding... actually, i'll do that next time i go through the beginning of the game||

if anyone wants to give their thoughts feel free

[fresh mulch]

one thing that bothered me is how disconnected the story beats ended up being with each other. a part of it is that characters are often abruptly introduced. sure, the villains i get because of the structure of the whole phantom thieves thing, but someone like haru should definitively had appeared meaningfully (not just a cameo for knowers) earlier on in my opinion.
one example of them doing good story cohesion is Futaba, Akechi, and Sumi (ig Makoto in a way?). I specially like how Futaba has a presence from the very beginning because of Sojiro, but you only really understand those phone calls with the context of ng+

[fresh mulch]

theres yuri btw

[fresh mulch]

(the fact that actual yuri wont happen until four palaces in... )

[rare oriole]

3 way tie rn...

[fresh mulch]

if only makoto had 3 hands

[grand cipher]

well the most obvs one for 5 is makoann considering they "go out".

makoharu is for this mod, and the showtime
makotaba is for strikers

[fresh mulch]

what happened in strikers?

[grand cipher]

mainly the bathhouse scene, but I can't remember if futaba "complimented" makoto's features.

I know she did for the others

[weary rapids]

Why pick 1

[fresh mulch]

also yall i'd really like your thoughts if its at least ok or if theres something that could be different yada yada

[fresh mulch]

this makes me wonder... would my futaba be this much of a gremlin?

i'd like to believe that deep inside, she's as much of a freak as canon

but her gender circumstances would probably make her more reserved about being seen as creepy or smth? idk

[grand cipher]

I do like the event, but the way she sides with the phantom thieves make we wonder if haru would be a early party member. You already talk to her way early in the game. It'd be cool if she was but if she was severely weakened until her full potential during kunikazu's palace.

I also see your (possibly?) keeping the shipping with Makoharu as I see their convos as more then just friends/classmates.

[weary rapids]

You’re cooking Girl but one question

If Rei already knows Haru then would they bother trying to find her name in the Okumura arc if they already know her

[fresh mulch]

kunikazu?
OH

who uses his first name

[grand cipher]

me, cuz people mix up haru okumura with kunikazu

[fresh mulch]

that would change a lot yes

i cant imagine anyone ever calls haru 'okumura'

(calls haru 'okumura' in my mod. tho i have a good reason)

[grand cipher]

But with talking to haru, would you be forming a social link early, or by chance having her be a party member early?
Kinda like having her do a Ann where she gets dragged into the palace by mistake.

[fresh mulch]

she'll be like mishima instead of a pt, until the okumura thing happens

[fresh mulch]

she'll do ann yes

oh no wait you meant do a ann

[rare oriole]

the answer is makoann, enemies to lovers please and thank you

[fresh mulch]

based

[grand cipher]

AND their relationship is a lot more deeper then the others

[fresh mulch]

no way they arent both huge into bdsm

wait

[grand cipher]

so she'll be a social link early sorta? Maybe like kasumi?

[fresh mulch]

yeah

with a limit before she joins

[grand cipher]

5?

[fresh mulch]

idk. whats best

[grand cipher]

Well kasumi's max is 5 before her true awakening which then turns to 10.
So maybe be like kasumi and have her true social link go from 5 to 10 once she joins the team.

It'd be a pain in the ass to do but it'd be cool to see if you could restore the DOUBT and BROKEN mechanics, but again I know it'd be a pain to do AND to have max social links

[fresh mulch]

the problem with them is that while they do fit this mod's philosophy... it also is easily savescummiable. and with how difficult it is to rank up in average, i feel that would just incentivize people to look up the guide, and from there... well

i am gonna have a guide anyway, but i'd prefer for the first experience to be without it

there is no benefit to have a confidant broken, just waste of time. and if there is a benefit, the mechanic becomes 'piss off your friend for benefits'

[grand cipher]

...then how about do what Persona 4 does and have only two that DOUBT/BREAKS

OR

During Merciless, thats the only time where it can happen. Any difficulty before that it can't happen

[fresh mulch]

i just dont think it works

[fresh mulch]

the mod is not gonna be balanced around anything other than hard

merciless is basically a second game to balance

[grand cipher]

ah I see. Oh well then

[fresh mulch]

im still struggling to get a good angle going

[fresh mulch]

phrasing

[grand cipher]

Oh! Idk how possible it would be, but will you be restoring the unused mona saferoom model?

[fresh mulch]

was is that

[grand cipher]

In beta footage (like in downstaris leblanc), Morgana can be seen with his metaverse form active. He can be seen leaning on tables and even trying to jump on them? But I think it's just that.

I doubt it would make sense to add it considering...well...the strange creature he is

[fresh mulch]

damn its close between makoharu and makoann

[strong moat]

I will get back to you on this in a bit. I've been traveling today haha

[fresh mulch]

had fun?

[grand cipher]

brawler was traveling all over the world going to super smash bros brawl tornaments and brawling.

[rare oriole]

brawler brawling in brawl

[grand cipher]

say that three times in a mirror and brawler will appear

[quiet prism]

Here's a question, will some of the comedy beats be changed. Like Ann's wooden acting?

I already know some of them things that don't feel right will be changed but I'm talking about things that are genuinely funny

[fresh mulch]

wooden acting? you mean that 'stripping' sequence?

some of the context will change but i wont be changing that much

[uncut depot]

i feel like the better comparison would be sojiro, where you cant advance until you have futaba but the game doesnt pretend its like...done

[fresh mulch]

one thing i didnt like about this is how the game wasnt explicit at all that you cant rank up sojiro

it behaves as if you still need points

[uncut depot]

when you should gate it depends on how much you want to have happen before she joins vs after so maybe put a pin in it until you have the actual substance of the rewrite down

[uncut depot]

hm? idr

[fresh mulch]

it says the same line for when you are not close to ranking up, and shows the blue card icon instead of grey

[grand cipher]

yea, I kept cleaning the bathroom to keep getting that one point and it didn't fricken do shit.

[fresh mulch]

also while i wont have fast travel on r1, you still can travel through the ticket gates to anywhere like normal, so i have to figure out how they do the card icon things there

[lunar vector]

I assume that means her poor acting in general. Like the game kind of can't decide whether it wants her to be a good actress or not (because the latter is funnier I guess).

[uncut depot]

thatd depend on implementation i think, i guess i can see the savescum argument if youre basing it off jackass dialogue options which would admittedly be the easiest implementation though less if its timer-based (though in that case shrimply dont ghost your friends )

<== swears she will get back to her doubt implementation sooner or later

[fresh mulch]

OH RIGHT

you jogged an idea that i'd forgotten

having ghosting your friends the possibility to reverse

there is a chance that you cant just savescum your way out of one

and it makes routing interesting

[uncut depot]

i can swear i remember seeing gray icon tho

[fresh mulch]

i remember wasting points before pulling up the wiki at least once, and i pull the map and look at my confidants every time

[uncut depot]

i also check the map for availability and i remember different
well actually i think maybe that mightve happened in og but i could swear not in my royal run (at least if youd otherwise have enough points for rankup)

[fresh mulch]

ill test when the time comes ig

[uncut depot]

ive been debating what a good timer length would be tbh. i have it default to 60 just bc thats the length it was in p3f, not counting timeslots where youre plot tunneled out of seeing anyone, but part of me wonders if thats kinda generous
...which is part of why i made length configurable, so that if its not potent enough then player can make it more so (or the inverse ig)

[uncut depot]

admittedly its been 5 years since i did a full playthrough so its also possible that i just have shitty memory

[fresh mulch]

i did last year i think. its why im modding now tbh

[fresh mulch]

ideally i actually want the average player to get at least a few doubts per playthrough. for such a long game, a dozen doesnt sound that bad. specially because its doubt, not reverse

[uncut depot]

doubt is literally just renamed reverse though

[fresh mulch]

was reverse easy to remove in p3 and 4?

[uncut depot]

idr i never got it in p4 and p3 it was the last month of the game so i didnt rly try

[fresh mulch]

it feels like an easter egg instead of a mechanic in p4 tbh

[uncut depot]

iirc you basically just have a conversation with them though, in 4 it doesnt even pass time and you have to be trying to get reverse in the first place

[fresh mulch]

getting the number right will def be tricky. but ideally i'd want scenarios that make keeping up with everyone tough, not just the numbers being unreasonably punishing

[rare oriole]

you can reverse in p4???

[fresh mulch]

moon confidant has one if you are an ass

i dont remember any other tho

but why would you ever be mean to ai she's best girl

[fresh mulch]

i guess i can have mandatory days still count? but for a few things like the hawaii trip it cant?

[rare oriole]

one of the slinks i've never finished

[fresh mulch]

basically, increase doubt even while doing the mandatory extra day to open the madarame door, but not for things that wouldnt make sense like a literal school trip

[fresh mulch]

[lunar vector]

smh... 😔

[fresh mulch]

...when did being gay became my whole thing

i guess when i started making custom events

ajda you unleashed a demon btw

[grand cipher]

too late to revert now.
The entire channel is basically that

[uncut depot]

naoto

[fresh mulch]

some of the final options shouldve instantly reversed the slink

[uncut depot]

well that ones partly a translation issue but only partly so

[rare oriole]

wdym

[uncut depot]

naoto discourse

[fresh mulch]

naoto discourse only on p4r: take your self

this chat is not ready

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its called revival because it will revive every flamewar weve been beating to death since 2008

[rare oriole]

im so confused

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miracle timeline: that doesnt happen and they rewrite it to something thats actually based

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im pretty sure thatll make even more discourse

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why do you think i said miracle timeline

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stay confused for the well-being of your mental health

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is this a good angle

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how come the floors always missing in these?

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aside from jonke clipping

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floors arent real

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adam kadmon battlefield

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i liked this one

anyway, gnight gays

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Oh yeah, before I go. The old question of who tops between Futaba and Sumi? I think futaba. No, I will not elaborate. Good night

(You can tell i typed this on my phone because im capitalizing after periods)

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Both are best girls. I personally pick futaba as we relate on a lot.

social problems, gaming. The one thing we don't relate on is the whole mom death.

Sumire is also a great character, but I just like futaba more

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Tops is not 'favorite character', ||is who is on top during homosexual intercourse||

(Idk why we talk so much about it)

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oh. well in that case, still futaba.
you already know about her antics

[lunar vector]

🔥

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Mornin homos

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Yuri of the day

(Deadass if it was easier to add pts in this game, I'd really consider adding her)

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..... Who knows, honestly. There's still a lot of time left for this mod to get finished

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yeah i'll keep a mental pin on that, if i ever think it would work

lesbianism compels me

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she's so pretty

queen shit

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There’s something infinitely adorable about a bunch of kindly old bears flying around the world to give kids presents. It’s way more endearing than old dude with demigod super powers.

Oh and the reason why there are so many different Santa Claus Legends is because the Santa Clauses in the Polycule all look different and come from different parts places.

Gay Bears bring happiness to the world’s children.

You are amazing Girlkisser

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i am big brained indeed

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not really it was a long day of driving (hence why I disappeared afterwards)
thanks for asking though haha

how nitpicky do you want me to be with feedback

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as nitpicky as you comfortably are ig

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In one of my drafts(I may just mae this a fan fic) Haru had a perfect sister who was also the spokesmodel, “Big Bang Betty”, who was of course a android.

Because of that I thought how Haru should really be a lot more more well known on campus. Maybe Shujin has a lot of kids like that there, but kids would absolutely know if say, Wendy from “Wendy’s” went to their school.

I mean the nice gossip about Haru would be hilarious!

“Hey Haru Okamura? Did you know she’s grows vegetables on the roof?”

“Vegetables? I guess that’s one way to rebel against Cholesterol King Dad”

“She’s apparently really quiet and reserved but she’s my senpai so I don’t really know. But still it’s kind of like having a celebrity at school!”

“Well, We also have the Lesbian Motorcycle Gang Leader, probation, beats up grown men, She’s attr-scary.”

“Oh yeah.. I heard her and that Ryuji boy… He was the only boy to be in her gang. They called them Onibaku!”

“Shujin is just full of celebrities this year!”

“Hey maybe if I ask her nicely Haru will grow some Daikon for me”

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I have different levels of nitpicky depending on what people want to hear + how complete something is haha

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just tell me how good i am to raise my slink ||/j||

just say what you think

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ok haha I'll mainly focus on dialogue then for now

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im about to be destroyed

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yeah ill probs have some of the npcs say stuff like that

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maybe maybe not I need to watch it lol

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it might or might not be literally a first draft

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first off, 4/18 iirc is the day that you get free action for the first time. it doesn't really make sense to force the player to sit through another forced event that takes up time. if it doesn't actually take up time, Morgana should not tell joker that he doesn't recommend they go into the palace

I do think it would be better either way to have the event take place beforehand like at lunch or something with that in mind but that's without the context of having watched the rest of it

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i was struggling to tie it to when you first go to the hideout. yeah i agree. its jank for now

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I think those students yap a little too much personally (although tbf this is kind of a P5ism as far as I remember where people just yap a little too much in general lol). either way I think making their dialogue a bit more concise would be nice

Makoto saying someone got hurt because of "that place" feels a bit stiff I would probably change it to something more direct like, someone got hurt there or something

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(i wish i had a nodder emote to reply)

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so I think the way Ann brings up kamoshida feels a little sudden. struggling to see the intent of this one in character. she's sarcastic about makoto knowing her and then decides to bring up the kamoshida rumors?

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a bit more of a bridge for that then? i want to highlight that makoto only knows ann because of the rumors, not that they ever talked

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yeah that would be good

have her ask it in a more accusatory tone too perhaps

the way it flows from that into Ann talking about shiho jumping also ends up feeling a bit disjointed as a result

haru standing there the whole time is a bit funny. I know I said I would mainly focus dialogue but I feel like she should just walk by and be like oh shoot lol

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(i did want that to be kinda comedic)

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the haru intervening scene is largely good although the timing of Ann butting in to be like yeah actually this! is a little sudden. also this is a big contrast with how she was just calling out Makoto on her bullshit. honestly feels like the tone swings around a bit too rapidly at this point for Ann at least

haru saying pleeaseee feels kinda ooc too

the usage of the blushed sprites also feels a bit random I would expect an exchange like this to be a bit more formal in general (this is of course not considering if you were trying for a substantial rewrite but I think even if you wanted to write in makoharu or something along those lines, maybe here isn't the best point)

that's the rest of it but I will say one of my favorite parts of Makoto being introduced into the story is Ann just clashing with her and calling her out on her bullshit and I think you did a very nice job with that

like Ann isn't wrong with any of this and she typically isn't in the story, and I do like that a lot haha

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sigh... fine

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I can also kinda see the logical tie from Ann bringing up Shiho at the beginning to getting mad at Makoto for being so useless when it comes to what happened to her friend

and I do like that even if rn I feel like there isn't a strong tie in the dialogue (it's implied though so that's good enough)

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sorry lol this is just to say, it felt slightly OOC especially from Haru's perspective

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chances are that i wont do any changes at all for a while, because some of the problems could stem from me trying to cram too much in one place, because i dont have the later events planned or written (first draft syndrome i coined it). so it'd be best to keep this in mind instead for the second draft before april demo

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gotcha :) just some things to keep in mind. I said I'd be nitpicky but I think overall the existence of an event like this is good, to make Makoto more present early on. I guess Haru too but she isn't really doing a ton at this point either other than bailing them out

again, I always fw Ann calling people out on their bullshit

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thanks. good to know that at least the main thing i was going for worked well

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yep it's really the little details to clean up!!

given it's a first draft that's to be expected but the core event seems pretty good besides the timing which you already brought up

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btw the compliment sandwich starts with praise, criticism, and ends in praise, smh my head ||/j to be clear. thanks for the honest feedback||

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hahaha I didn't want to be all harsh about it because ultimately I thought overall it was good

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hopefully this makes the payoff of ann and makoto becoming friends ||and, well, lovers here|| more satisfying by having the animosity appear before makoto's arc

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yeah funny thing is you could probably take a lot of these events and adapt them for the base game's story if you really wanted

just bc a lot of it is attempting to address general P5 issues, not specifically trying to add new context of, you're a FEMC now!

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i wouldnt be opposed if someone was interested in adapting some of these events to normal p5

but i have too much on my plate to maintain multiple mods

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yep and that's understandable especially since this is a big project and all

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yknow what would be an interesting shakeup from the usual persona formula that fits well with the themes of this mod?

having one of the romances not be tied to slink rank, but the story itself

and i think that haru is a great candidate for this actually

btw considering how time gated the rank 9s will be, haru would actually be your earliest romance option, which is very funny to think about

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I liked that you brought that up, I always found it odd that with a gossip mongering school like Shujin the gossip was well odd.

Like there should have been Haru gossip, Ann gossip, Rei gossip, and then maybe just random gossip that foreshadowed stuff later on or was just local colour.

Keep up the good work onee-chan

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but i think its an interesting dynamic having her quickly be infatuated by Rei (for motives i'd already said), and as her arranged marriage approaches, she takes a shot and asks rei out. so its not a neat and tidy resolutive happily ever after thing, specially once the okumura arc starts.
you can also romance her later on her rank 9 if you reject her here

(im a sucker for relationship drama sue me 🔥 )

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that’s a great idea! I’d play the platonic route(watch/remember Aigis’s platonic rank 9-10 in p3 to see how intense and wet eyes those can be) but Haru would be amazing either way. I mean she has a lot of issues with standing up for herself and also issues surrounding her dad so her having a story based confidant is a fascinating concept.

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the confidant is separate

the romance is either from that point in the story, or the confidant

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oh yeah @lunar vector youre the lesbian angst specialist. thoughts?

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so events and… I keep forgetting that you actually give the characters life.

Very cool idea onee-san.

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i do also have some plans for giving the characters more life in a way that gets in the way of metaversing 😈

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"huh, why are ann and makoto always unavailable to go to the metaverse at the same time "

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duh they are holding hands inside ann's house

palaces wont be accessible if everyone cant go in, but i do want mementos to always be, but the character that cant go is out of your party

buuut there are some technical complications that i'd have to test

firstly, the subway rest points and the 'talk to everyone' thing

i have to see if at least the models that appear in the rest points are dynamic. then i can worry over the other part

i imagine they must be, because you can access them any point in the game

also, when you reach the end of a floor to one of the mementos gate. i guess i can just have mona (that will always be available) tell the player that they should go back with a full party, then block the event or smth

[lunar vector]

That's a hell of a reputation, lmao.

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but its true

[lunar vector]

I love when a romance actually intersects with the main plot Maybe it's like. Haru asks Rei out fully thinking of it as a glimpse into something she'll never get to have... but she doesn't tell Rei that part until afterward.

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this is about the angle i wanted to tackle 😈

[lunar vector]

So you get this lovely little date. And then find out she's engaged the next day. 😈🔥

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i knew i shouldve asked you

funnily enough, this makes the okumura part way more personal for the pts, specially with haru being a friend to everyone by that point

but the vanilla story goes like 'you were greedy and sought fame by beating okumura' while like, no? hes a shitty ceo that overworks his employees and is forcing his daughter into marriage???

i have enough motivation to destroy him

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the vanilla story writing just kinda sucks during that part 😭

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i do think i could have the manipulated okumura poll and the personal thing with haru intersect tho, they dont have to be exclusive

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like man Okumura was not a good person either!!!

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we literally see that he sees the fiancee as a sex pest and he still is going to sell haru to him 😭

its like they forgot all the stuff we see in the palace

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what were they supposed to do, not act on it?

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yes because the existence of a previous selfish motive makes the new selfless one still bad

logic

(also, changing his heart just because he's a fastfood CEO is a great thing for humanity regardless lmao)

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i do wonder how planned the okumura arc was. because with the story warping so many parts of itself to make it work, it feels like it has always been a big part of the story

which begets the question of why haru isnt earlier

if anything they consider okumura important enough to have scrapped will seed stuff from royal. not sure how much this relates to the original writing

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it feels like they're trying to do too much at once tbh with the Okumura arc

they want the phantom thieves to fall into a trap but they want to have them start having conflict within the group but they want you to still save Haru from a horrible fate but they

the way they did it at least, not good

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it is quite a pacing whiplash from the previous arcs that were quite slow and uneventful

kamoshida's rapid pacing is fine because the story has to begin quick, but then it slows down so much in madarame and kaneshiro

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yeah I actually don't really like P5's pacing a lot I think there's one too many dungeons in between kamoshida and okumura

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futaba's is at least slow but way more personally interesting because she's the adopted daughter in distress of your current guardian

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(just in terms of the amount of content, I think having those number of targets is fine)

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idk yet what ill do with okumura's arc, since it depends a lot on my current rewrite of haru

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honestly I almost think the P5 plot would've been better if the kaneshiro arc wasn't there just to introduce makoto

bc overall I think with how things are handled it does more damage to the writing 😭

just my opinion - I've thought about whether P5 would be better without kaneshiro/makoto and maybe it'd be better from a pacing perspective but removing a whole ass target necessary for the overall pacing and also the whole Makoto/Sae dynamic would be unfortunate

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madarame's is the weirdest imo with how disjointed with everything he is, but i guess people dont complain as much because of how intense kamoshida's was, so i guess its a breather. its just that kaneshiro doesnt pick stuff back up after that, so a lot of people complain or quit at that point

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post kamoshida also leaves things very open ended anyways

I think it makes logical sense for madarame to be slower. my issue with him is mainly how comically bad his writing is lmao

[lunar vector]

Skipping Kaneshiro and having both Makoto and Akechi joining up around the same time (Sae's Palace) could make for an actual interesting whodunnit angle....

Like re: who the traitor is.

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kaneshiro also isn't bad in concept, like the guy is running a crime network in shibuya. changing his heart is a significant action that really puts the phantom thieves on the map in a way that neither kamoshida nor madarame would

[lunar vector]

Aside from the near-impossibility of skipping a whole arc in the calendar, lolll.

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which is funny because this could've been the perfect setup for a more personal reason to get back at kaneshiro, but uh makoto was introduced right now and she did a dumdum and now owes a lot of money to a mafia

amazing how her popularity recovered from that arc

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yeah lol

P5 is one of those games for me where the more I think about it the more flaws I see. and so I respect the fact that they really did try and all to create something grand but there's too many holes lol

[lunar vector]

Truly a swiss cheese of a game. Delicious and full of holes.

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P4 I ended up appreciating more when I thought about it more, P3 has a strong story in general but it mainly suffers from poor pacing in the first half

yepppp lmao

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tbf there's enough jazz and pretty menus to be distracted from the text

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I mean P5 is still a great game

[lunar vector]

I mean, yeah, it does what it wants to do. Which is to be cool and stylish and exciting.

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from a writing perspective it is still pretty good I just appreciated other persona games more. at a certain point it becomes subjective too, like people don't like P4 for being grounded and on a smaller scale but I like how personal that gets

but like if it ever seems like I don't actually like P5 that couldn't be further from the truth

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funny that p5 is a popular game that i see having its flaws pointed out all the time, so its not like people are unaware. its jsut that its at the end of the day really fun and does what it set out to do well

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yeah and even then I still think there is a lot of good stuff in its writing and its themes are great

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i hate pursona fiver 😤 😤 😤 😤 😤

but seriously, franchises and games that i dont like i just dont talk about them

so me bashing p5 is out of love <3

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mhm mostly same

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I think there’s so much more to dig from Haru post Okamura too. And her character clearly has th depth for it. If it was a SoL manga Haru would be very conflicted by her grief. He was terrible to her, sold her off to a man he had to know was being basically evil to her… and on paper… Haru doesn’t really mention much of that again.

Haru has the potential to be a much more complex character and I often wonder how muh was cut

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when I bash things like P3R episode aigis I suppose it is a franchise I like but I won't pretend I like that expansion itself. it's moreso frustration from the fact that I do like the franchise and I think EPA is a very low point lol

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one thing that annoys me so much with how they handled okumura's death is this

like i get haru having conflicted feelings, it happens all the time with abusive parents (specially if they 'used to be good' like haru said)

but she never mentions being sold out or how she feels about it

like that part of the plot is an afterthought

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not never, but infrequently enough that it seems she's over it earlier than she should

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exactly. Haru should have a heart to heart with one phantom thief where she says “Um… If I told you that sometimes I am glad my Father is dead… Does that make me a bad person?”

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I think this would be quite OOC for Haru ngl

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yeah that might be a bit far

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I get the intent though and I do think it could've been touched on more

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i wouldnt be too quick to label contradictions as ooc tho

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something along those lines… like “I wanted his comeuppance but i can’t believe he is gone forever? I thought maybe he could change one day…”

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specially with grief and trauma

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no the reason I call it OOC is because Haru never ever wanted her dad dead

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Yeah… I might be letting my own feelings bleed in to

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she wanted him to change

not to be gone

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thats why I am unsure

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this feels more like her

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yea

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Thank u!!!

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I could see it being something like oh shouldn't I be glad he's no longer doing all this to me? those things were horrible and all

buuuuutt

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Yeah.. and I think a part of her was probably really intrigued by the change of heart

Because Haru had a good childhood from what we know

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do we ever know why he did an 180 tho? its just because he got rich?

[lunar vector]

I think her connecting with Yusuke over this in particular would be a good touchstone.

[strong moat]

I think in the base game we don't get much of an explicit explanation but that's implied, yes

[lunar vector]

Since his stuff is all about coming to terms with complex feelings about a father figure.

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Oh Haru bonding with Yusuke over complicated Fathers would be a great event

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rags to riches going to his head then? more likely than you think

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yeah it is believable

you just don't see a lot of it

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you do see a lot of poor people that become rich suddenly express distaste for the poor

i dont have the full theory but something something survivorship bias can be one reason

touching more on that i think has potential

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keep in mind the reason why the will seed scenes were cut, but yeah it could. something like oh I pulled myself up by my bootstraps why can't you just do the same

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dad who wanted to not be like his silly old father. He may have decided he wanted to give his daughter everything but I remember something about Haru mentioning her dad not wanting to be naiive like Haru’s grandfather.

Then Okamura hears about these people who can hurt anyone who causes you trouble….

still fits the rags to riches too

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whats the reason?

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I believe it was because they were worried about making the villains too sympathetic

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Especially if dad okamura decides he has something to prove and will be better than HIS dad

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oh this is interesting. i can see an angle of okumura's dad going from a stable life to bankruptcy, and okumura resenting him along with the working class, because he believes he deserved more, after all its not his fault, but his dad's

i dont know how much this can muddle a potential more general message tho

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I get that. I heard there were some extra Kamoshida backstory scenes out there. And they confused people. Japanese storytelling is pretty big on “nobody starts out completely evil” and sometimes backstory is supposed to show where someone went wrong… but sometimes it can make someone look sympathetic even if it is supposed to be a societal comment.

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i'll def be adding the will seed flashbacks, even new ones

[sullen drift]

I like that. I want all the cut content and the new Girlkisser content. and the girl kissing content

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one thing i personally dont vibe with is dehumanization of terrible people, not because im a bleeding heart, but because i think this is the easiest way to avoid any accountability for bad stuff you do yourself, because you are not a 'monster' or 'evil'

[strong moat]

thats redundant

hahaha

[rare oriole]

meanwhie the girlkisser cut content is too to be released probably

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i do agree but I think I understand why they did what they did

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itll be released on ao3

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ultimately, does it really matter that they came to be this way bc of XYZ? perhaps it matters much moreso that they did the actions they did

(not saying I totally agree with how P5 did things but just a thought for why they cut those scenes)

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gamebanana mods too cowardly to allow my unskippable 72 hours shihoann scene smh my head

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does it matter? idk i just want yuri

maybe i cut the entire game and just make it girls kissing

but seriously speaking, for me it does matter, but general audiences can get uncomfortable when you humanize people like kamoshida

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also, for the themes of rebellion of the game, i do think that focusing on individual actions of evil people instead of the systems that create them is quite dissonant

also, maybe they probably thought it was too much of a change to the story, since they barely did any changes to the original script at the end?

aside from akechi's slink and some palace expansions, the vanilla plot was not altered that much

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what I mean is that the thieves generally focus on changing the hearts of people who do bad things. they want to have the goal of changing society but ultimately it's not until near the end of the game where they realize just what has to be done to change society for the better

that's a plot point and narratively it does also make sense to focus on that although I think it would be great to throw in some content about how society failed them

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what im saying is more of an undecurrent of the plot's themes. the thieves would still be focused on single people

[strong moat]

sure

that's fair

that is something where P5 obviously does not have a ton there so it would be interesting to see. it would somewhat help the villains not be as silly with their writing lol

[fresh mulch]

which is funny because they are all inspired on real people right?

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yeah

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while i'd usually blame the audience for not thinking that real humans are cartoonishly evil, i do think that this is mostly p5's blame on how they handled them

[strong moat]

agreed

because P5 does have believable evil people

kamoshida

I also think shido largely works too

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shido abe is very believable

[strong moat]

kaneshiro is funny as shit at least

which maybe wasn't their intention but

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the boss is a man-fly that rides a 'piggytron' tbh

i think they were being a bit silly on purpose here

do you think my trans futaba would suggest changing the heart of a ldp politician?

[quiet prism]

I think there should have been deeper exploration about Kaneshiro being the money man for the conspiracy. That might have fix things up. Yes I may have skipped a lot of things that were already explained here but seriously you guys type so much I can't help but wonder if you actually have employment to keep you from discord /s.

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i dont

im unemployed

but yeah kaneshiro is a good place to plant the conspiracy

keeps the plot going

[quiet prism]

You can even tie into the next arc, when's cognitive psience becomes a thing well, they may be high schoolers but they ain't that dumb. Those are like four piece puzzle sets

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i do but i'm on break lol

[rare oriole]

now fix p3p audio

[fresh mulch]

i just cant handle work. physically and mentally. so i've been trying to apply for disability benefits at least
i mean, i can handle work that i like, for example this mod.

[strong moat]

that's your mod smh 😭

[fresh mulch]

i should work more on gamedev while doing this mod now that i think about it. one day i have to make something

[fresh mulch]

its yours now

my brain is just very peculiar and easily crashes when im not following a comfortable rhythm (it's a very erratic rhythm)

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Futaba aside: Sojiro talks about how awful her uncle is. “and he also cut her hair all short and stopped letting her wear anything “HE“ thought was feminine . I mean she hardly wears anything like that anyway! she needs so little to be happy it just struck me as needlessly cruel. I mean I make her curry and give her a gacha toy from Akihabara and she’s happy the entire day. just makes me so mad I can’t think straight”

(I love Futaba and Curry and I swear the writer read Reincarnated as a Sword)

[fresh mulch]

futaba deserves all the hugs in the world

https://tenor.com/view/futaba-persona-5-maruyun-gif-1581432928150100309

[sullen drift]

She does. You know I can be happy with wonderfully simple things too. I wonder if it’s a trans and/or PTSD thing.

I mean it’s a personal philosophy too. If I have the ability for something small to make me very happy I will take that ability and Run to the Heavens!

Sometimes it’s remembering I have lots of Barqs root beer!

Sometimes its Trans Futaba getting hugs.

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i mean i prolly wouldnt be above some of the proposed changes its almost like the life drawing gag rewrite was my idea in the first place :v, altho id prob do my own approach for like 2/3 of the ones that interest me

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life drawing gag rewrite?

... OH the ann and yusuke thing

[uncut depot]

theyre trying to force a thematic beat of "oh, public approval isnt the same as doing the right thing" but it doesnt work because publicity isnt why they do the palace
morgana as an individual has an ego-driven leeroy jenkins episode but they work that out and then decide to target okumura anyway for entirely legitimate reasons, if theres anything "wrong" they did its ignoring the signs that they were being set up (after being distracted by the mona thing) but like. that doesnt relate to the theme and also isnt a moral failing nor does it invalidate the decision to do the palace anyway. but then the arc ends and they beat themselves up for doing something they didnt do

like it honestly bugs me more than the morgana stuff if u can believe that

[fresh mulch]

the morgana stuff is at the beginning of the arc and its quite lengthy so it draws more attention to it, but the blame part is actually much worse

bruh my discord shat itself

i couldnt send any messages

[uncut depot]

thats me with p4 lol, id say it has less problems but the problems i do have with it are a way bigger deal to me. but also. i still liked playing it lol

[fresh mulch]

the weirdest part about the blame section is how the 'we are now doing stuff for the right thing' is not even subtext, its the text because the game literally draws attention to this fact, just to contradict itself later

it definitively feels like its part of an issue that came with like a decade of writing the story

[fresh mulch]

i actually enjoyed myself a lot with p4 when i used the 'remove cringe events' mod

the humor in this game is just so... mean? idk the best word

[uncut depot]

boy do i have a fic for you https://archiveofourown.org/works/24744016

[uncut depot]

i mean. we have the will seed events

[green folio]

||started scrolling through without reading why is he singing||

[fresh mulch]

legit the game says to 'embrace your true self' a lot, but the narrative seems pretty content to mock people for being their true selves

i just think that it doesnt really follow its own themes

[fresh mulch]

i forget to check them

[uncut depot]

my brain is cooked by when they cry so tbh i dont only think its that, i also think they just didnt expect to have the dev time to do the idea justice
like you can thread the needle between giving a believable and socially-aware corruption backstory for a character without it feeling cheesy or apologia-ish, but maybe not with 3 years' dev time and an entire new story arc to do at the same time unless youre just that good (i dont think they are :v)

[uncut depot]

i mean they do that anyway, so :V

[fresh mulch]

i was thinking more unprompted. without even having the shido part happening

the moment she learns of changing hearts she proposes that

[uncut depot]

i mean i had a feeling but i couldnt resist lol

[strong moat]

they didn't even give a fuck about Haru in royal lol I'm not surprised they didn't bother with the idea overall

[fresh mulch]

anyways, i just despise any mean-spirited humor. its draining and depressing

uh... wrong Y coords

https://tenor.com/view/arriba-gif-12324188786972117417

[fresh mulch]

omg im so close to finishing this one

https://tenor.com/view/rikotaba-futaba-sakura-persona-5-riko-tanemura-yuri-gif-9951209269859302604

[fresh mulch]

yknow... no one said she has to be playable

[sullen drift]

Amen. I’ve run into so many people who would constantly get upset with me because I didn’t like them insulting me or our friends constantly. Because I literally can’t even understand that kind of humour, but also it’s not fun for me.

But just in general there’s not any benefit in being cruel to someone you love.

You can get stoned and laugh at a cotton candy pop idol with googly eyes and a leather jacket that sings Blue Bird from Naruto for hours on end and not have to be mean to anyone.

And then your friends will laugh at you and your weird little cotton candy pop idol.

-brought to you by Fushikio, who used to make Fetal pigs dance in science class and laughed like crazy doing it

[fresh mulch]

it seems that the human brain just has some sort of pleasure from negativity

[fresh mulch]

phones

why does this look so funny

[quiet prism]

Lowbrow humor is popular because some part of us actually believes in it. Deeply ingrained hidden away by moral standards, but it is there. Does it make it right, debatable and constantly so. But to deny it is much to hypocritical

[fresh mulch]

damn makoharu won

(still wip) rizzler haru

[weary rapids]

I didn’t know the floof had it in her

[fresh mulch]

~~the handsome butch awakened something deep in her ~~

[quiet prism]

What do you call it when the Rizzed becomes the Rizzler?

🤔

[fresh mulch]

not-me

[quiet prism]

Well neither me so that was why I was asking

[fresh mulch]

ajda must know

[lunar vector]

Lmao?

[fresh mulch]

[sullen drift]

This is true. I’m biased between my own history and being trained as both a DV and lgbtq mentor but I feel using the negativity on friends or humour is always counterproductive.

Although mean spirited humour towards villains has probably made me laugh more than once(see above re: revenge and kamoshide)

But yeah there’s something that has an urge to be mean to others inside us for sure

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah does that make Haru Rei's official romance?

[lunar vector]

It's what she deserves

[fresh mulch]

poor ryuji. everyone's gay
yknow, with how things go, sometimes i feel a bit bad for the straight men in my fics... sometimes 😈

[rare oriole]

yusuke is right there

[fresh mulch]

yusuke's gay too

(i actually dont know)

[fresh mulch]

talking about yusuke. i do like the idea of him crossdressing for fun, but in a more theatrical 'onnagata' way

he's just real passionate about art and beauty

[grand cipher]

"then would you prefer I dress as a woman"

least the dude had the guts to say that after ren said there's too many dudes

[fresh mulch]

yeah no way he doesnt enjoy crossdressing

[fresh mulch]

its past midnight but im in such a good rhythm right now to stop

[weary rapids]

You have a healthy lifestyle Girl

[fresh mulch]

yup i just chugged a whole mug of old afternoon coffee

i may have an issue

[fresh mulch]

im gonna sleep. but tomorrow morning this should be done

cast your votes while i go eepy

ajda a firm believer of harei

[fresh mulch]

Harei sweep

Morning

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-it's-peak-anime-peak-otherside-otherside-picnic-gif-17561321731557308115

[weary rapids]

Why not pick them all

[fresh mulch]

unrelated but just wanted to share

[sullen drift]

ever since you mentioned makoto and Ann and then there is sumi and Futaba… So yeah leaning towards Haru. Also speaking as a butch, she seems like such a normal status quo girl but she has a lot of depth. reminds me of why Rei’s friendship with Ryuji means so much. (He just gets Rei) Haru doesn’t seem like she would understand Rei… so her understanding Rei is where the romance Blooms.

[fresh mulch]

tbf there is poly. but yeah i seemed to have accidentally stumbled onto a great ship judging by the reactions

[rich stratus]

gender affirming censorship

[fresh mulch]

she finally got them female-presenting nipples 🎉

[sharp yoke]

Haremrei

[quiet prism]

Funnily enough, the manga where I got my Japanese trans information from, Hakgure Idol , known in the US as Booty Royale Never Give Up The Fight (the main character is an Okinawan karate gravue model), an MTF model was able to go topless during a pay-per-view women's only open invitational Martial arts tournament.

[fresh mulch]

this is a sentence of all time

[quiet prism]

Thank you.

[sullen drift]

Trans Power! my inaugural character in P5R was Ameshi a trans masc delinquent whose father knew why he got probation. After he’d already switched schools once after a suspicious auto accident (broken ribs, broken legs) Ame’s dad thought he could start anew as a young man without rumours of his past life.

I love Ame’s character and Rei makes me think of him a lot in very good ways. Ame was more trans masc then trans man even though Ame did use male pronouns and lived as male.

I sometimes think in the he handed off the adventure to his sister and just did detective work here and there like Conan Edogawa but in the metaverse.

And then he came back for strikers while his sister took on the Detective Conan Role.

It’s taken a long time to talk freely about being trans and I have the mod community and Wisteria and even Raven to thank for it.

Arigato Mina!

It really means a lot to me all the little npc comments of homophobia/transphobia.. and then Ann and Shiho and others basically just come in and tell Rei they accept her.

And that’s what it would really be like:)

Little long but I like seeing someone like me and people I know as the FeMC and as the supporting cast.

Thanks.

[fresh mulch]

i think im basically done with this event

i'll record the vid after drinking some good ol coffee

[weary rapids]

How did you learn all of this immediately?

[fresh mulch]

wdym

[weary rapids]

How did you learn the entire editor so fast

[fresh mulch]

i mean, its no different than any video or audio editing program

granted i dont used them that much...

but if you try it you can get the hang of it quickly. its a simple left-to-right timeline that plays what you put there in sequence

[fresh mulch]

hm... gimme some time. ill try some stuff

[weary rapids]

Even if you know literally nothing what any of it is saying?

[fresh mulch]

i dont know how you wouldnt understand what stuff does

this is pretty descriptive. And you can always ask if you dont get something

[fresh mulch]

she's truly prepared for the winter

[weary rapids]

Maybe?

[fresh mulch]

yes this will fend off the cold

exposed belly and legs

holy shit makoto and haru have actual xmas outfits

they are not fanservice???? atlus what are you doing

[sharp yoke]

Aaand lets see Ann

[weary rapids]

Does Ann have one

[fresh mulch]

yes its the skimpiest

i just dont understand why the cat ears and tail. sure she's panther, but this is more halloween. what do black cats have to do with christmas

also, if you are going 'black cat', then commit. why are the boots so white? this just makes the cat part look even more out of place

[weary rapids]

She’s just doing it to get Shiho, Queen, and Rei

[sharp yoke]

Not just them…

[uncut depot]

idk maybe shes a siamese cat
<== has a siamese point kiby

[fresh mulch]

then just take it off smh

[weary rapids]

Very true

[sharp yoke]

I mean… you gotta have buildup ya knkw

[fresh mulch]

the buildup has to be good

(tbh im not immune to fanservice. they just needed to cook up something better)

[fresh mulch]

also, futaba is adorable as always

ryuji remove the helmet

these flap-thingies look ugly

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/zombielandsaga-sakura-minamoto-xd-gif-627758404327754450

[weary rapids]

Not the spray

[fresh mulch]

pls no

[sharp yoke]

Is he like rubbing himself with those fingers. Tf is that

[fresh mulch]

IT LOOKS LIKE OMG

[sharp yoke]

What am I looking at

[fresh mulch]

yusuke's is... fine?

it doesnt look like shit, but its so bland

the dude is an artist, you telling me he just went with generic santa?

also i dont need to say anything. this is peak

now ill go back to making the mod instead of looking at xmas outfits

[grand cipher]

morgana always say he can pick up scents.
there's the nose to prove it.

though it'd be cursed to see what his actual nose is......igor

[fresh mulch]

btw anyone else doesnt have party/family gathering this xmas?

we kinda just... stopped

[grand cipher]

nope I got family coming over.
Hope everythings alright over there tho. ❤️

[fresh mulch]

its fine lol

[uncut depot]

i honestly dont remember what we normally do for christmas, i think at one point thered be party at extended familys house but idr what weve been doin these days

[fresh mulch]

i dont think mine were ever much eventful. mostly just gathering with mom's side of the family and giving gifts

oh and its summer during christmas here

[strong moat]

it's the same way that ann's pt outfit stands out from everyone else

[sullen drift]

Santa Gay Bear Polycule: Hey how did Wee Ryuji find our Favourite outfit?

I say this because aside from the helmet he looks great

[fresh mulch]

remove the cat thingies from ann and the buzzy beetle from ryuji's head and all the fits look good

[fresh mulch]

i was thinking... which configs could i have? better to think about them now before tech debt

[uncut depot]

well what features would you want to be toggleable

[fresh mulch]

you cant elegantly just 'turn off' the story changes btw. its very intrinsically tied to the gameplay

[uncut depot]

i mean i would expect that

[fresh mulch]

togglable features i actually cant think of one. i was just wondering what people usually want

anyway, one thing i would actually like is to have 'cheats' in the configs you can toggle

while it does go against the meta narrative of the mod a bit, i still think its overall a good thing to have the option if one really needs (plus cheats can be fun)

but actual features i cant think of any that would make sense to be togglable without completely toppling the balance of the game

[fresh mulch]

ITS 90% DONE

just need a few touches

[quiet prism]

Doesn't seem like there's anything that's toggable that isn't already handled by the other systems in the reload. I mean if you want to put cheap at your call but other than that I can't think of nothing

[fresh mulch]

other systems in the reload?

[quiet prism]

The program used to put mods in Persona 5, reload ii

[fresh mulch]

by systems you mean mods?

[quiet prism]

Yeah you know the important ones.

[fresh mulch]

well, i really wouldnt recommend using any mod that is not purely cosmetic with this one.

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-luffy-one-piece-monkey-d-luffy-green-screen-one-piece-gif-15478505694122100402

real footage of doing that

very dangerous

[quiet prism]

Don't worry, I know better than to use other story mods together.

[strong moat]

I think the biggest things I could think of are compatibility toggles for certain other mods. I also think separate toggles for gameplay/story changes would make sense but I'm unsure if that is possible for your case

[fresh mulch]

good. the heat-seeking missiles have been redirected from your location

[strong moat]

those are fire and forget, you can't redirect them after launch.... 😔

[fresh mulch]

screw the rules i have money

https://tenor.com/view/yo-hi-oh-block-gun-gif-13007753

[strong moat]

if the US MIC hasn't figured it out yet, best of luck :)

[strong moat]

anyways: this last point is a question for you. it's technically possible code wise and stuff. but is your story stuff too intrinsically linked to gameplay changes

[fresh mulch]

some gameplay is too intertwined with the story changes, that i really dont think there is an elegant way of separating them

[strong moat]

well that answers that question lmao

[fresh mulch]

indeed

[strong moat]

are you changing normal battle music?

[fresh mulch]

yes, per-area. as well as palace field music

[strong moat]

something like that could get a toggle (maybe someone wants to use the hit mod randomized battle themes)

[fresh mulch]

i knew you would say that

[strong moat]

:)

I can't think of much else to add config toggles for. like what are you going to do, add multiple woke toggles so people can customize how woke their game gets? /j

[fresh mulch]

no ew. the woke is at max by default and will not be togglable

[strong moat]

but really. this mod was intended as a large overhaul mod. it's hard to say what should or shouldn't be toggles although I think it is always best to maximize compatibility where possible

[strong moat]

add toggles that do nothing then

illusion of choice

[fresh mulch]

i fear there is a domino effect for basically most things

[strong moat]

music is an easy one to put as a toggle that's why I call that one out

[fresh mulch]

i think that the least headache-inducing option is just have cheat options so players can skip certain parts that are just not for them

more like celeste

[strong moat]

I have not played Celeste. sorry I would not know

it's on my backlog...

[fresh mulch]

cringe

[strong moat]

sorry I'm employed 😔 take it up with my company

[fresh mulch]

yeah that one is pretty separate from most things

...there is a small caveat, tho... but shouldnt be too bad

[strong moat]

?

[fresh mulch]

okay i was overthinking, this one is fine. know of a ftd file that has every field alongside the bgm that plays on them? im actually editing that too

[strong moat]

do you need to do that?

I thought BGME could do that

or maybe that's just dungeons....

[fresh mulch]

can it do specific major and minor ids?

[strong moat]

idk ask @rare oriole

I'm guessing it wouldn't be too hard to actually implement for them, it's just a question of, do they want to do it

if it doesn't exist

(but I thought it did exist...)

[fresh mulch]

when i was making it play something in the place of kamoshida's palace theme, after ending a battle, the theme would actually change back to kamoshida's, and i even substituted every version to be sure. and i'd prefer to not actually substitute the music filewise if i can, because of thieves den

but changing which song the field calls did that easily

plus, safe rooms of each palace can have different themes

and i can have specific places play specific themes

anyway im pretty sure im not doing anything else with the ftd file, so i can have a simple on/off there for the music options toggle

i have yet to make a single config file btw

[rare oriole]

bgme has no field bgm in any game, though p4g and p3p have floor bgm for the shadow world or w/e it's called

[strong moat]

sadge

shadow world....

[rare oriole]

but i think dc added it for p5r?

or maybe p4g, but i dont think they mod p4g @olive tulip

[strong moat]

DC made one (1) P4G mod semi recently as a comm haha that's all I know

[rare oriole]

maybe i'll add it, honestly been wanting to overhaul bgme since it's uhhhh, well it was my first reloaded code project

i've gotten better

[strong moat]

could be awesome

[uncut depot]

yeah you could i think stick it in a separate folder thats fed to crifs hook if bgm changes are enabled

[strong moat]

don't you have another project to be working on though 🤔

I was going to DM you about that but I guess I'm asking here instead lol

[olive tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/el-condor-pasa-umamu-horse-what-the-hell-ran-gif-2041601371843163867

[fresh mulch]

well since this just added them to the thread...

i can finally add the @

[olive tulip]

hi im currently knee deep in KT suffering who what when where why

[fresh mulch]

ryo

[strong moat]

first why are you doing that to yourself
second did you add the ability to edit field BGM to BGME

[olive tulip]

i have never touched bgme

i did make a field bgm framework thing

for p4g

[strong moat]

(when was that? I don't remember ever seeing that)

[olive tulip]

in p5r its an existing file already but it has no merging

[olive tulip]

i shrimply never posted it on GB

[uncut depot]

i have 20

[strong moat]

oh rip

well I guess ftd it is either way

[olive tulip]

https://github.com/DeathChaos25/p4g64.bgm.fieldbgmframework

[fresh mulch]

it works fine why complicate things

[strong moat]

well it's because Ryo specifically reached out to me asking about it and then went radio silent on it hahaha

[olive tulip]

(other p4g mods are https://github.com/DeathChaos25/p4g64.patch.jyokyohelp and https://github.com/DeathChaos25/p4g64.patch.levelcap )

[uncut depot]

oh you were talking to them not me
lmao

[strong moat]

oh

I mean

you can DM me about a project of yours and then not work on it

[fresh mulch]

im so lost rn

[strong moat]

then it would apply to you too

[strong moat]

keep doing what you're doing and have a toggle for the singular file using criv2

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-cat-hyper-gif-9540792418684483949

[olive tulip]

to answer question 1, the psychological damage is irreversibly done, nothing they do can possibly hurt me anymore
https://x.com/DeathChaos25/status/2003900835906850848

[olive tulip]

in theory someone could make a merger like i did for bustup param, but I'm busy right now (as you can see)

[strong moat]

yeah it would probably be good to have in general but probably not necessary for this mod

[fresh mulch]

yeah there are more important things like adding more yuri

oh yeah i was strugglign to get the haru npc to appear

[fresh mulch]

well, finding at least part of the logic of the hideouts was easy

2_5 is the school roof, and 1_6 is the accessway

yup. at least i know i need to edit FLDHIDEOUTPOS.FTD when the time comes

still cant find how they enable npcs

[fresh mulch]

i think im gonna sleep and try again tomorrow

gnight

[quiet prism]

Night and have a gay Christmas

[fresh mulch]

im single

i'll just get gay from fanfics ig...

[sullen drift]

The Lesbian Heart is for all our Sapphics both in the thread and the mod. And the trans heart is for Futaba and for Rei who feels a lil trans too. Also Yusuke’s thing for pretty dresses

And of course the many wonderful trans folk in the PMod community - Shalom and Happy Holiday seasons from the Genderqueer Lord of Mysteries!

[fresh mulch]

Mornin gayers

[weary rapids]

Mornin and merry Christmas gayers

[fresh mulch]

merry gaymas

https://tenor.com/view/merry-yurimas-merry-christmas-merry-xmas-green-yuri-tgswiiwagaa-gif-12993292875374335991

[fresh mulch]

... i might need a version of this for when its raining

(harei enjoyers rise up)

[rare oriole]

where is red yuri though 😔

[fresh mulch]

yuri was green before coke

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

(its not doing anything )

okay it is indeed working i was just being an idiot

[fresh mulch]

oh, confidant npcs are not handled here

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/lumity-lumity-kiss-luz-noceda-amity-blight-the-owl-house-gif-25737561

yuri time

i never watched owlhouse

[rare oriole]

you should, it's very good

[fresh mulch]

if both ryo and ajda agree, then i guess i dont have a choice

[weary rapids]

It’s peak

[uncut depot]

theyre right it is

[fresh mulch]

okay then, the april demo will be delayed until i finish owlhouse /j

[weary rapids]

Lock in

[grand cipher]

I only "watch it" as it has bill cipher in it.
even though people say King ISN'T bill cipher reincarnated.

[fresh mulch]

i'll get to them one day

[fresh mulch]

LETS GO I FOUND IT

rip haru

[lunar vector]

Ooh, where was it?

[fresh mulch]

CORPTBL.TBL
i found eventually by narrowing down the npc by 02 00 05 00 10 which seems like map major 2 (seems like the major is only two digits, considering the highest map id in the game is only 195, and before 02 there is FF which is probably from the previous section), map minor 5, and 10 which is the id of the NPC in the map's FBN file, alongside a 00 CB down the line, which is 203, Haru npc's id

there are quite a few like that tho, but i found the one that is at least used for the first haru. seems like there are multiple possible haru npcs, but havent tested much yet

now to test if i can do anything with this

oh no wait i forgor
the 10 was a coincidence

[fresh mulch]

okay corptbl is not responsible for when they are available. im gonna try resrcnpcexist one more time

[fresh mulch]

theres also 00 DF which is 223, another id used for haru in the fbn and (you can also see the flowscript mentioning it)

[fresh mulch]

feck it. ill take a break to play a better game

[weary rapids]

That’s not Dispatch

[fresh mulch]

gnight homos

wish me luck to get the haru npc working tomorrow

[uncut depot]

i was about to see if anyone said which file it was that controls field bgm but got distracted by "wait didnt i also want palace-specific life will change overrides. ryo i have a suggestion"

[fresh mulch]

FLDBGMCND.FTD

life will change is also there, set for specific palaces

good morning homos

[rustic shadow]

Good morning.

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sufumi-hifumi-togo-sumire-yoshizawa-kasumi-yoshizawa-persona-5-gif-2164194538920421961

what?????

i found peak

[quiet prism]

In this thread all yuri is peak. The difference in elevation is merely by the inches

[fresh mulch]

as long as girls are touching lips, all's right in the world

[sharp yoke]

Not gonna say it

[fresh mulch]

[fresh mulch]

this is hell

[rustic shadow]

Haru & hifumi when?

[sullen drift]

Hifumi trans masc arc while she is dating Ryuji.

don’t mind my delusions while I’m in pain recovering from surgeries although that would be interesting

Yusuke starts cross dressing and makes friends with Lala and she helps him become a performer

and it helps his art

<~~~weirdo

“Fushikio has changed their name to “やばい王“ aka King of wtfery”

[fresh mulch]

goddammit i fell asleep

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/忍者與殺手-nin-koro-satoko-konoha-gif-9406562887442860260

[fresh mulch]

i was gonna record this section to show the monotony of testing multiple flags just for nothing to happen at the end, multiple times...

she's here

[fresh mulch]

idk who they are but they should kiss

[fresh mulch]

yall have this cat vid while i get stuff working
https://youtu.be/_Gn-2ip4kMw

[fresh mulch]

im a simple lesbian. all i need to survive are cats and yuri. food is optional

[rare oriole]

literally you

[rare oriole]

ninja and assassin and maybe soon, the manga is ending

[fresh mulch]

i dont trust potential yuri until its finished

burned myself one too many times like this

(looking at you lycoris)

[rare oriole]

oh there's nothing potential about it lol, they just haven't kissed (at least on screen)

[sullen drift]

amen. First season of Owl House people were concerned it was Yuri bait. I didn’t watch it until I heard that it wasn’t. Then I watched the whole adorable thing.

It’s ridiculously clever and well done and the Horror mythos is brilliant. Every season just gets better.

I have the sads because there is not more.

[fresh mulch]

homophobic disney

[sullen drift]

word.

[fresh mulch]

LETS

FUCKING

GOOOOOOOOO

(why is haru backwards )

[fresh mulch]

LETS GOOO

she's facing the right way

air buds

EZ clap

i'm FINALLY done

now i just need to change some dialogue a bit, and i'll finally have the full video

imagine haru turning to look at them just to see them all talking to the cat

[fresh mulch]

im going insane. WHY IS ME ADDING NEW MESSAGES MAKING THE THING FREAKOUT AND NOT EVEN LOAD 😭

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-bloom-into-you-hair-bed-gif-20282126

(have some yuri while i suffer )

oh my fucking god i hate everything

the motherfucking fucker fucking fuck is just ignoring my fucking changes like they dont fucking fuck exist? But then i fucking do it fuckign again and the fucker ducking works wht the fuck

IT
FINALLY
WORKS

i dont know if its because i added this import that i should not need. or if its because i reseted reloaded2 and that removed some cursed cache bullshit. but it finally recognizes that I DO HAVE CUSTOM TEXT

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

(my veins are popping)

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/renako-amaori-crying-watanare-gif-9591557326464427675

[fresh mulch]

this part is done

now to record the whole thing before i go to mimir

[fresh mulch]

(ignore this oopsie)

[uncut depot]

if you include a .flow for a bf, emulator assumes youre importing the .msg if there is one otherwise you could potentially double import

although im kinda surprised that game was even doing vanilla behavior since it usually just hardlocks if it needs to load a broken bf (unless its paked)

(as an aside, is that SPEAKER_CHANGE procedure by any chance just MSG_WINDOW_CLS followed byMSG_WND_DSP)

[fresh mulch]

yes

[fresh mulch]

if i was calling a new message, it just froze

the thing is... im pretty sure i even tried going the ol fashioned way and just asgui the whole file... and it also didnt work

i think it must have been reloaded cache stuff

i cant think of any other reason

[uncut depot]

when i was testing drink select id often skill issue writing the flowscript and get compile errors, and when that happened trying to go to kichijoji would just infinite load

[fresh mulch]

yeah when there are errors its like that

but i didnt actually change anything else and it now works. same code and messages as before

it was just cursed

[uncut depot]

that feels like a runtime error where since the new messages werent imported, the MSG function doesnt know what message id the message label points to (because it doesnt exist)
so it freaks out trying to figure out which message to play

every message has an id and for the purpose of calling through flowscript the label is a constant that refers to the id (thats why the header you get when you decompile looks how it does)

[fresh mulch]

changes to existing messages wasnt displaying either (when i wasnt calling the new messages, it didnt crash. obviously it was just ignoring the .msg file and assuming vanilla for some reason )

[uncut depot]

because the .msg file wasnt included

like i said, it has to be imported in the .flow if you have both a .flow and a .msg

[grand cipher]

What does Haru think when the groups just vanishes in front of her?
can't remember if you explained that or not

[fresh mulch]

SAFETY_FLD.BF has a .msg file tho

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wait really

[uncut depot]

as in, the .flow should start with import("nameofthefile.msg");

[fresh mulch]

i dont remember needing to do that for other .flow + .msg femulator thingies

since the original file already calls it

[uncut depot]

when you decomp, the import at the top of the original .flow is referring to the original .msg (by relative path, btw)

[fresh mulch]

the palace entrance is not on the rooftop remember

[grand cipher]

But they activate it on the roof

[fresh mulch]

they wouldve ended up somewhere in the castle like that no?