[P5R PC] Take Your Time | [FEMC & Yuri] Story and Gameplay Overhaul

[fresh mulch]

i could make it a formula obvs. but i want every 1% for literally no reason

[uncut depot]

so youre making it O(n) time instead of O(1) just cus u can

[fresh mulch]

uh whats that

[uncut depot]

its what cs people call big O notation, used to communicate time complexity ie. how long it takes ur shit to run
O(1) means roughly constant time irrespective of input, O(n) means it increases linearly with input size/params (eg. how long a list is)

in this case since you have a loop that runs once for every 1% hp, that means this flowscript will take longer to run the more health the demon being negotiated with has. idk how many loops itd take to be noticeable, obv it cant run more than like 100 times (ie. the hp% of an enemy around full health idr if flow functions round up or down) but its considered bad practice to do things that add to time complexity when other options that dont do that work perfectly fine

[fresh mulch]

how would it run more than 100 times?

not sure i showed in a screenshot, but the counterhp is fixed to specifically 100

so it's actually fixed

i just thought it would be fun to do it like that and there will be like 0 impact on anything

as i said, it's every 1%, not every 1 hp. so the amount of health the enemy has doesnt matter at all

[uncut depot]

i literally said it couldnt
but a routine that runs between 1 and 100 times runs longer than a routine that runs only once about 99% of the time

[fresh mulch]

i read it wrong then

anyway. good thing this is not called every frame or smth

[uncut depot]

for sure, stuff that runs every frame is one of those use cases where you basically have to optimize for time

[fresh mulch]

if only everything was otpimized... we could save 2 seconds in an entire playthrough 🔥

[sullen drift]

Good Morning!

[fresh mulch]

its afternoon now for me. good afternoon gays

[fresh mulch]

im so sorry mishima. you have absolutely no chance

thankfully the rest have a chance because i refrained from putting Yoshida in the poll

talking about mishima...

i actually like his confidant, but there is one thing that i think they could've explored more?

i think its pretty clear he has some inferiority issues, and running the phansite brought him control he never had in his life (or at least at shujin)

but they could've probably focused a bit more on the abuse he endured from kamoshida?

||also, on the guilt for calling suzui to kamoshida's office that day||

[lunar vector]

The game skips past that stuff for him real quick, true....

[fresh mulch]

its still there in the subtext ig, but stuff that is this important for a character's characterization should probably be more acknowledged by the narrative

[uncut depot]

thats how i feel when people insist the featherman minigame is secretly akechi lore

[fresh mulch]

this is quite a huge thing that i think should've definitively be explored more. specially as part of his development of being a powerhungry mod thinking he's doing justice

[fresh mulch]

i have to pay attention to it next time i play ig

[uncut depot]

i mean in the sense that like. if it was supposed to be literal-ass akechi lore and not just thematically relevant to him then its a stupid-ass way to deliver lore, but the entire-ass theory assumes it is literal-ass lore

[fresh mulch]

thats a lot of ass

hmmm ||yall think makoto is an assgirl?||

[weary rapids]

🤔

[lunar vector]

My hot take is it's not so much a parallel of stuff that happened to him as it is a game he's literally played and is (possibly subconsciously) modeling his approach to the rivalry after. He almost verbatim quotes the game several times during Rank 8....

[fresh mulch]

holy... first i've heard of that

[grand cipher]

Enraged lol

[lunar vector]

Old photos of my TV, lmfao

[fresh mulch]

tbf i can see this being accidentally done because of being quite a trope, but still really interesting

[lunar vector]

I mean, true, but the wording is VERY close.

And when the game is already supposed to be referencing him one way or the other... 🤷

[fresh mulch]

true

[sharp yoke]

I mean, it's Ann so...

I'm certain all the girls are into ass. Who WOULDN'T be?

[fresh mulch]

i mean, there's a difference between being into ass, and being an assgirl

what a conversation

[uncut depot]

yeah thats less stupid lol

[rare oriole]

how i picture @fresh mulch

[fresh mulch]

so true bestie

i feel like im being stupid rn

this is only a problem in the two files with this...

(but i dont remember this being an issue before)

[uncut depot]

weird, ive never had that problem with my own mods which also use svars

[fresh mulch]

is it trying to override all the svars at the beginning...? i genuinely have no idea how this is happening

oh wait i think i know and its completely unrelated and dumb

omg

basically, i had other mistakes in multiple parts that had nothing to do with this

i love when syntax errors just create the most nonsensical logs

another @ added

[weary rapids]

You okay there?

[fresh mulch]

yes

for some reason you cant @ someone without adding them to the thread. so dumb

[weary rapids]

Discord being Discord

[uncut depot]

oh, yeah compile errors with script tools are like that sometimes 😭

[strong moat]

I can

[fresh mulch]

you can?

[strong moat]

idk if it's bc I have privileges (feels like a weird thing to have as a privilege in the first place) or bc I'm on mobile or what

[fresh mulch]

privileged smh

[strong moat]

rees privilege

[rustic shadow]

Best boy ryuji won 🥰

[grand cipher]

2 votes for mona?? Okay, he's not a boy, he's a cat number one.
Number 2, he's always hounding you on not going to sleep and instead hanging out with social links.

[fresh mulch]

he's a real boy

[lunar vector]

1. He is a friend and cat and boy. (Although she/her Morg is so very valid )
2. Hounding you to go to bed is just what kitty-cat friends do.

No one keeps a tighter leash on my schedule than my cats.

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/morgana-haru-okumura-haru-persona-morgana-persona-haru-persona5-gif-27376304

[strong moat]

#2 is a pro actually, he wants you to focus on maxing out your social links in order to live a more fulfilling life and have an advantage in combat

[rare oriole]

yusuke and it's not even close

[rich stratus]

its a hard vote

but also akechi so its kind of an easy vote

[grand cipher]

I mean....Yusuke is best girl

[fresh mulch]

yusuke is best being

not me putting a yt video in the background of a monotonous task and then suddenly i stop everything because im distracted by it

[fresh mulch]

3 done, 8 to go...

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

its past midnight and i guess i'll drink coffee

[weary rapids]

Sounds normal to me

[fresh mulch]

very healthy lifestyle trust

[fresh mulch]

im very good with names
betterfy should be a word anyway

[weary rapids]

True

[grand cipher]

I try to drink coffee at work at like 3pm

So midnight isn’t too far from that

[fresh mulch]

4 now. to celebrate this clearly momentous occasion, i present to yall some shihoann
https://tolbyccia.tumblr.com/post/168406930572/my-favorite-meet-cute

(its 1 am and i feel dead inside)

[fresh mulch]

fuck, man. remembering this backstory makes me realize how dirty they did shiho in the story

do we only see her again on rank 10 and third sem?

[weary rapids]

You’re really locking in Girl

[fresh mulch]

no way...

finally my femulator imports are not making the game shit itself

idk what i was doing wrong but im not gonna complain. this will cut so much time on this

wtf this is literally just warioware music

https://youtu.be/YemzNcFFMTU

early persona has some weird music

[uncut depot]

this is for a convenience store lmao

[fresh mulch]

yeah im pretty sure every store has its own theme

[uncut depot]

yea

all variations on the satomi tadashi theme but totally different styles of music lmao

[fresh mulch]

😩 👌 finally

also its pretty easy to tweak odds for each personality now

[fresh mulch]

(...i might be sleep-deprived)

[uncut depot]

sussyBakaVented

[fresh mulch]

its for when you already have that persona with you. they might accuse them of being a traitor

hopefully its obvious enough... right?

[fresh mulch]

rip raven

[fresh mulch]

7 out of 11 now holy shit

[fresh mulch]

im 90% of the way there yipee i'll be able to go back to making the mod.
im so fecking sleepy
good night gays

[fresh mulch]

Good morning homos

[fresh mulch]

✅

[rustic shadow]

Yes

[fresh mulch]

ITS FINISHED

im finally done with this shit

[quiet prism]

Congrats. Who knows maybe first palace demo by mid January. I don't want to push for Christmas or New Year's.

[fresh mulch]

it should be pretty close once i finish the negotiation system. i'll just have a bit of palace left to do

[quiet prism]

So is everyone going to have a shadow or just certain characters.

[fresh mulch]

all pts

[quiet prism]

Okay 👌👍

[fresh mulch]

huh i was expecting akechi to win honestly

[weary rapids]

Same

[lunar vector]

Wow, Yusuke sweep!? Who knew... I'm just glad Mona was on the board at all 😅

[fresh mulch]

yusuke is such a diva

love him

[uncut depot]

also same

i love tragic shitbags!!

[weary rapids]

He’s just a Shadow the Hedgehog clone

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/makoharu-okujima-haru-makoto-niijima-persona-yuri-gif-5991050836076407219

i finished 8 questions out of 264... yay

[rustic shadow]

My second favorite 😍.

[fresh mulch]

and first?

[rustic shadow]

My favorite in the series.

[fresh mulch]

yknow, ann confessing to the player right after this scene does make it look a lot like comphet...

[rustic shadow]

Even tho she not in the game i also love ann x mitsuru.

[fresh mulch]

thats.... wow

i never knew i needed this

who tops tho

[rustic shadow]

Ann

[fresh mulch]

great choice

[rustic shadow]

Plus ann is the tallest p5 girl so she can pick up mitsuru

[terse shadow]

girlkisser

[Reply to:](#1440097821834612838 message) ~~yknow, ann confessing to the player right after this scene does make it look a lot like...

ajda

Vanilla Rank 9 is so funny. Like hi the girl I love has just left and I have a hole in my heart. You! You're boy-shaped and nonthreatening! You can fill this void!

Jump

[Go to message!](#1440097821834612838 message)

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah i remember that

[lunar vector]

It's so hard to take it seriously as a romance when it's like. Girl, I just saw you get your heart broken???

[fresh mulch]

writers somehow ending up making a character gayer by having them date the opposite gender

on pure accident mind you

[fresh mulch]

some romance route timings are so weird...

talk about whiplash

[lunar vector]

Tfw you try to write a girls' girl like Ann but you're a straight man so you end up writing her as gay on accident.

[fresh mulch]

tbf if gay women get confused if a girl is into you or just being friendly, i totally see how straight men fumble even harder (they dont even think of the possibility)

[rare oriole]

lowkey i've wanted to make a mod that lets you toggle off each romance wholesale, dialogue and all

but i've never made those kind of mods and im too lazy to learn

[fresh mulch]

like, anime writers unironically thinking that girls eagerly fondling each other is totally a friend thing...
i am still baffled

[fresh mulch]

you did much harder stuff tho 💀

[lunar vector]

I mean, "girls are kinda gay when they're young and then grow out of it" is a pretty common and quietly insidious homophobic stereotype in Japan... but I like to pretend the second part of the sentence doesn't exist

[lunar vector]

Ryo event edit mod real!?

[rare oriole]

programming >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing in terms of difficulty for me

is why all my docs are outdated

[fresh mulch]

honestly yeah. programming is in a way much easier than writing

some people seem to have much more difficulty with programming, but also write really well

different skillsets and all

thinking about it, i think my skillset is a mess. i dont think there is anything i excel at, but i can do most things without (too) much trouble if i try

[strong moat]

here's the problem for me personally

I am pretty good at technical writing

I also do not really enjoy it when it comes to modding. it's a lot more fun to mess with things myself rather than write documentation

[fresh mulch]

yeah writing documentation can be such a flowkiller

[strong moat]

this is why despite me being one of the main people trying to push modding docs it's also hard for me to actually motivate myself to work on them

it's also sometimes hard to structure things well too. like literally just the main completed tutorial on there is deceptively hard to write bc I have to think a ton about how to organize all that info

there's a lot of overlap but then sometimes things are different. sometimes there are multiple ways to do things. etc

[fresh mulch]

oh my god im terrible at structuring

[lunar vector]

Truly 😔 It's like. Documentation is important! Buuuut sorry, I'm here to have fun. If I'm gonna write documentation it needs to be on the clock for me to have any motivation... and even then....

[strong moat]

I could not tell you whether you should use Ryo framework or AWB emulator for basic music replacement

Ryo framework is the tool I want to tell people to use bc it's more advanced and what not

but AWB emulator just works(TM)

[lunar vector]

(For most AWBs, lol)

[strong moat]

also if someone decided to look at mods for reference they'd see most people using awb emulator and be a little confused

also also Ryo framework and BGME have some overlap

[fresh mulch]

im still quite confused about this

[strong moat]

so in conclusion documentation is quite hard

there isn't really a simple answer to it either

in general you should use Ryo

except for when you want to do certain things then you use bgme

but BGME also has functionality from Ryo so you could use BGME for a lot of things

yeah 😭

[fresh mulch]

you can't use other people. thats a bad thing to do :(

[fresh mulch]

well, i'm already using bgme so if it works why change things

[strong moat]

you should use Ryo with their consent

better?

[fresh mulch]

@rare oriole do i have your consent?

[strong moat]

the more confusing thing is that for the longest time it was only BGME.

BGME literally stands for BGM enhanced. I understand roughly that the intent of the two frameworks are different but there's so much overlap...

and maybe you do have cases where you want to be using BGME. are you trying to use non randomized custom songs for battles? BGME.

[fresh mulch]

i think ill only use random music for mementos battles

[strong moat]

Ryo framework gives you more freedom though. I think if you do ever decide to change voice lines or something you probably would be using both

(BGME is mainly focused on, well, BGM)

[fresh mulch]

not fully random cause it would be curated per area at least

[fresh mulch]

i think im good there tbh

not planning any time soon at least

[strong moat]

I'm sure Ryo will correct me as necessary but I do hope it's clear that even I find it a little confusing sometimes, and I've been using both for a bit now 😭

[fresh mulch]

clearly the solution is a third version that combines both in one

[strong moat]

maybe that will be the next Ryo project after the config overhaul

[rare oriole]

bgme just uses ryo

the bgme folder is just a ryo folder with settings for bgm pre-applied

[strong moat]

as stated: I'm sure you will correct me on anything I say wrong lmao

[rare oriole]

if only the docs were updated

maybe by someone good with docs

[uncut depot]

maybe they think its like how guys see each other undressed all the time and compare dicks etc but not in a gay way obviously

[rare oriole]

[strong moat]

true.... this Ryo guy is pretty good at writing documentation when they put their mind to it

[fresh mulch]

as far as i recall they dont grab eachothers dicks... right?

[uncut depot]

me neither lmao

[rare oriole]

awb emu

even yona's p5r preset outputs for awb

[uncut depot]

i mean in the sense of like. whether theres an advantage to using one or the other for eg. changing a voiceline

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah, talking about it... whats the difference

[lunar vector]

ADX is what the game uses by default, but HCA is better.

Basically.

[rare oriole]

ADX P5R = AWB Emu use
HCA P5R = Better compression, can be used with

though hca p5r is pointless, since non-encrypt HCA is also now supported by Ryo (this isn't doc'd anywhere )

[strong moat]

many such cases

I still see people recommending encrypted ADX and then me shocking them by telling them that no, you don't actually need to use that if youre using Ryo framework

[fresh mulch]

ig ill keep this in mind for future music

[rare oriole]

if the audio is in the ACB, then you have to use ryo, else AWB emu works fine for replacing audio

though for finding voice lines, ryo framework is probably easier since finding the wave indexes is

uh

tedious

[strong moat]

honestly the main reason I've been hesitant to document more of BGME/Ryo stuff is because you have your own set of docs

like what, would I copy paste from you? but then if you update your docs then that needs to be updated on the main modding docs too

[rare oriole]

i mean that's what you did for the bgme docs

[strong moat]

i didn't actually copy paste them 😭

[rare oriole]

ideally all docs would be in one place

[strong moat]

agreed!

that's what we were attempting to do lol

[rare oriole]

but i also prefer having full control over things i work on so

[strong moat]

yeppp that's the thing

I'll float the question over break if I have time to work on the docs

[fresh mulch]

ooh right i had stuff to do im so easily distracted

[terse shadow]

like i once said...

girlkisser

[Reply to:](#1440097821834612838 message) ooh right i had stuff to do im so easily distracted

girlkisser

i am constantly derailed, i wish i was railed for once

Jump

[Go to message!](#1440097821834612838 message)

[fresh mulch]

but fr im so easily distracted

[strong moat]

oh

[fresh mulch]

im still thinking if i should have haru appear earlier as a pt, and if i do, how do i make it make sense...

like, i can easily add her earlier in the story, and i might just have at least that. not as a cameo npc for players that know who she is, but as an actual character that interacts with others

but as a pt? im not sure how or if i should

[edgy field]

Kill morgana and replace him with Haru.

[fresh mulch]

nuh uh morgana is awesome

ill kill kamoshida instead. this has nothing to do with haru but i just wanna kill him

[edgy field]

Kill Ryuji and replace him with Haru

[fresh mulch]

should she swear like him

[edgy field]

Yes

[fresh mulch]

cinema

[uncut depot]

tbh genuinely im wondering what ur gonna do with morgana lol

[edgy field]

Polite woman who swears like a sailor.

[fresh mulch]

ill figure it out

[fresh mulch]

this is me except the polite part

[fresh mulch]

i guess ill at least improve/change the 'leave the pts' part?

yall have any ideas for that?

[uncut depot]

uhh

tbh ive been idly debating the idea of general morgana rewrites beyond/in addition to just the manual confidant idea but i dont think i rly have a clear vision in my head atm

[edgy field]

Well, what are your issues with him?

[strong moat]

I mean I can call out some of my issues with it

would that be helpful

[uncut depot]

jokes beaten to death for one

[strong moat]

honestly I think Morgana in strikers and tactica is the Morgana we deserve anyways

I understand he needs to grow as a character to get there but ngl the growth doesn't feel like it's there

[edgy field]

I think you could establish the insecurity much earlier than futaba.

Maybe as the PT's grow in numbers he feels in the background? Rather than futaba being the sole issue/catalyst.

[strong moat]

the whole arc is shit but the broad concept is good that's the thing

😭

[edgy field]

I don't think it's that bad, it's mostly down to it feeling forced. Since he only really conveys any issues after Futaba.

[uncut depot]

tbh im not entirely sure what the concept was, the whole dregs of human hope thing feels almost pulled out of a hat

[strong moat]

honestly it's just the whole Morgana leaving the team due to feeling replaced thing

I like that

is the arc shit, yes, but I like myself some good character conflict

[uncut depot]

wrt jokes which are the easiest to put into words, admittedly id probably still have him like ann but hed be able to shut the fuck up about it for two seconds
some of the petty beef with ryuji is still there early on but tapers off after the first or second arc and eventually theyre more in line with the kind of funny exchanges they have on the first kichijoji trip, ofc this necessarily involves the setup for okumura arc being changed to properly center his baggage which. good, the setup as-is is bad anyway
and the not a cat joke gets shot out back after okumura arc like it shouldve been anyway, and already play with the delivery before that point with moments of like "ugh, do i even need to say it??"

[fresh mulch]

so... i need to play tactica and replay strikers got it

btw completely offtopic just wanted to share this that appeared in my feed

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-anime-gif-25088894

[strong moat]

https://x.com/JanembaChieFan/status/2000982420221239490 reminded me of this

[sterile mica]

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[fresh mulch]

huh its justice arcana. i get it now

it does sound funny tho

[fresh mulch]

i have been physically incapable of doing anything while i have a yt video in the background lately

which is weird cause this wasnt much of an issue recently

goddayum ocean has been typing for about an hour

[uncut depot]

wrt to his broader arc, like. tbh the components dont really fit together into a cohesive idea i can pin down, but i dont know if thats because of a lack of intent or just a weakass execution that causes the intent to be lost

the hope thing isnt very foreshadowed before youre already in depths and the link between it and his character conflict of being insecure about not knowing his place in the world* feels shaky to me. i think leaning into it would help by making it feel not-so-random though theres the question of how, i think playing up the accidental emotional support cat subtext might help since thats kinda something youd expect an embodiment of hope to be good at? maybe also having it be understated so that he and the other pts dont fully register that he has that strength for like the first half of the game...something something okumura arc

* (and displacement of that conflict into "im totally human guys, sure i cant prove it and dont really have a reason to believe that but i swear, i just forgor what happened to make me not that," which is another reason they shouldve retired that joke after okumura arc)

[uncut depot]

me when my brain locks up trying to word

[fresh mulch]

those are good points

[uncut depot]

(as an aside i think its v funny that leading up to okumura arc you get a lot of ryuji being drunk on fame, but then when yusuke clocks the phansite poll as a bait its morganas insecure ass who leeroy jenkins into okumura palace solo)

[fresh mulch]

i think i can try to foreshadow and tie morgana's identity into his conflict more

i dont have a plan, but i'll keep it in mind

the 'accidental support cat' reminds me of how he can sleep on top of you

and then i was reminded of the sleep sequence you get when going to bed early

and that made me think... what if that happened (almost) every night anyway?

the dreams can be quite fun, and its a shame you dont experience them if you are not wasting time

plus, rng that shakes up every run

[uncut depot]

"i went to the beach with akechi, but the waves washed away my swim trunks"

[fresh mulch]

you get random points and i think thats cool to introduce uncontrollable variety

fits the theme of the mod, its so nightmarish to softreset that that in and on itself prevents minmaxing, and it also allows me more freedom to be more demanding of the player for points because they should be getting a passive amount regardless of what they are grinding

do dreams increase your social stats?

[uncut depot]

they can

i dont think its guaranteed though

i think they can also give you sl points?

[fresh mulch]

there is a chance of that, slink, or nothing i think?

[uncut depot]

iirc yea

[fresh mulch]

i could mod out the 'nothing happens' because that could incentivize soft resets for every night to give something. so might as well prevent the player from ruining their experience with that

[uncut depot]

i think i eep in class when i dont have anything better to do with the extra time kawakami buys you lol

[fresh mulch]

(looking at you, p4 fortune and p3 bathroom)

love easily savescummable mechanics that makes anyone trying to play optimally to have an unfun time

/s

[uncut depot]

(i think my priority was books ==> study if i need knowledge or craft if i need proficiency or lockpicks ==> eep)

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah that ends up happening a lot in ng+

kawakami doing her best to give you some time and you just faceplant on the desk and pass out

[uncut depot]

lul

[fresh mulch]

... i'll probably have to change some dream sequences

[uncut depot]

i think that one actually picks a random confidant to have show up, altho idk all the confidants that are possible

[fresh mulch]

i think they all do

[uncut depot]

i think i saw someone get it with ryuji

[fresh mulch]

i think i'll try to have new dream sequences? specially because every day means youll be seeing a lot repeat

anyway, to implement this forced dream thing...

if its anything like reading books, then they probably have the same code in two different files (one for bed other for kawakami)

books are like 4 files btw

[uncut depot]

yeah ive noticed

movies are one for each theater but then the copypasted functions check which-ass theater youre at lmao

(i might get on with cinema select during my break)
(or some other small mod)

[fresh mulch]

i think the easiest implementation would actually be to TP the player into their room after their evening event with a thing that makes morgana go 'you are tired, you should sleep' and prevent you from doing activities or get downstairs?

oh wait its an event right

fuck it ill look into the sleeping code to see what i can do

[fresh mulch]

...why

[fresh mulch]

nuh uh, they pick this guy called [f 2 4 0] for all of them. what a strange fella

||/s||

[uncut depot]

honestly i kinda wonder if they actually had a separate file that they imported and their official tools handle imports by just...including the entire contents of the file being imported in the bf

[fresh mulch]

i was wondering. but i have seen imports used before, so its a different system? (if they are not just copypasting after all)

????

[fresh mulch]

welp. time to see how activities interacts with the scheduler

oh yeah kawakami does the thing after your evening activities. perfect

it works. thank you, DICKS 🫡

[grand cipher]

what a dick

Seriously, he helped out. what a dick he is.

[fresh mulch]

wait what happens when you try to sleep with kawakami making stuff for you

[uncut depot]

i...would guess nothing from the scheduler

[grand cipher]

I think she gives the item before you go to sleep, like your in your pjs

[fresh mulch]

anyway, whats up with joker's 'pyjamas'?

can you call them that?

just looks like a normal shirt

imagine not going to sleep dripped out in pyjamas with illustrations of cats in a pattern

[grand cipher]

comfy clothes don't always have to be pure pjs.
A simple t-shirt and sweatpants work fine for people

[fresh mulch]

tshirts feel weird to me when going to sleep

but then again, im in pyjamas 24/7

[green folio]

iget that

i love whatever modelswap im using for nightwear atm its very cute

[fresh mulch]

dont know the name?

[green folio]

modelswap isnt the right word its a custom one

I have a lot of kasumi protag mods so

not sure which one it is

this is a horrible screenshot but i am very tired

[grand cipher]

just realized in that picture how pixely morganas back is.
His collar is blocked out by low poly

[green folio]

oh wow

im never going to not notice that now

you are not thanked

[fresh mulch]

its very cute. btw short hair kasumi?

[green folio]

yes

[grand cipher]

you are not welcomed

[green folio]

very adorbs

[grand cipher]

then again, not my post so I can't not welcome people. thats up to Girl

[fresh mulch]

im only worried over these thickass pants during summer or heat waves

[green folio]

That's a very smart thing to be worried about

[grand cipher]

short haired kasumi? That straight looks like Rumi's model. .-.

[green folio]

However its currently peaking over 40 celsius today and i am wearing the exact same fit

[fresh mulch]

celsius?!

do your legs radiate cold or smth

[green folio]

I stole her body

[green folio]

no, im burning. i have a fan blowing max speed next to me

i dont like shorts or anything similar, always either pants or skirts/dresses with tights

so I can cope with hot weather while wearing more clothes since im just used to it

[fresh mulch]

most of the year im in either very short pyjama shorts, or underwear

i hate when my leg gets hot

[green folio]

yeahh its not great, im starting to miss cold weather

jealous of people in the north hemisphere

[fresh mulch]

winter >>>>>>> summer

[green folio]

for REAL

[fresh mulch]

i dont like getting sweaty and struggling to breath because the air is humid

[fresh mulch]

dw it will eventually be their time to suffer

[green folio]

cant come any sooner 😴

[fresh mulch]

... thats what she said

[green folio]

😶

[fresh mulch]

apologies i cant resist

[green folio]

toxic yuri instinct

its second nature

[green folio]

I think the worst part is the fact morgana is giving navigation while this is happening

[fresh mulch]

he watches

[grand cipher]

wonder why morgana even called him 'doc'.

bros been watching looney tunes

[fresh mulch]

abbreviation of Doctor

btw, internally, the game sometimes abbreviates 'futaba' to 'futa'

[uncut depot]

phrasing

[fresh mulch]

how tf did english manage to get the super common word come and turn into euphemism for ejaculation

[uncut depot]

its not just english

[fresh mulch]

really??

kawakami became a stud

yukiko would approve

https://youtu.be/kiKlFenAl-U

has to go to okumura

no question

[rich stratus]

he starts it during makoto tbf but its mostly during the futaba arc

oh thats from hours ago and im just scrolled up a bunch

woops!

[fresh mulch]

i remember the hints of that dropping by then

but ig we could have it already starting at the dungeon with makoto, not just after it

[rich stratus]

i kinda got annoyed with seeing people say it came out of nowhere so i wrote down like each scene where people demean morgana and make him feel like less of a person

a lot of it is just futaba unintentionally doing it though

[fresh mulch]

he was getting used to navi'ng and all that, so there could be some moments where he tries to take the lead and makoto ends up effortlessly taking over instead (unaware that she's doing that)?

i think theres plenty of room to buildup to that from inside the palace

[rich stratus]

you could probally also dial in the lonleyness he feels during hte summer vacation

because hes basically ignored for an entire week cuz sojiro cant understand him and futabas too locked in the data analysis to talk to him

[fresh mulch]

also... what does jonkle do as the leader? i guess he buys stuff (... maybe i should have a mechanic of party members buying their own stuff with their money, actually) and calls the shots

[rich stratus]

they call the shots with when the palace/mementos infiltration stuff and manager all the teams equipment

but most of the leader stuff is that he leads the way in the dungeons themselves

[fresh mulch]

jonkle is also very stylish. clearly the most important part

[rich stratus]

being a drama kid is very important

[lunar vector]

Easy question.

[fresh mulch]

tbf if going by purely canon, it has to be futaba

holy shit she has no chill

[lunar vector]

I mean if the question was "who's the bi-est" it would easily be Futaba. But I stand by Ann here 🫡

[fresh mulch]

i mean i also count bi. 'whos sapphiciest' would prob be the more accurate name

[lunar vector]

Then it's a tough battle between the two....

[fresh mulch]

ann is basically a sapphic icon tho

[fresh mulch]

true they should kiss to decide the winner

uh... getting close?

(its a crash at the end)

[fresh mulch]

... im gonna continue in the morning

night, homos

[quiet prism]

Nighto

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/makofumi-persona-makoto-niijima-hifumi-togo-yuri-gif-7592963649186576562

mornin gays

(im running out of ships)

[weary rapids]

You can never be out

[green folio]

i was going to drop a random cross game ship and then i remembered the games are spread apart by several years

[fresh mulch]

when it comes to yuri, canon doesnt matter 🔥

[green folio]

🔥

ship takes place in personaq

[fresh mulch]

i think all persona 3, 4, and 5 girls should kiss

[green folio]

all at the same time

kasumi and kotone 🤔

[fresh mulch]

peak

[fresh mulch]

damn its tied

[rare oriole]

now do polyships

[fresh mulch]

true...

yknow, i really like the idea of makoannharu

[rustic shadow]

Fuuka & yukari

[rustic shadow]

Mokoto & mitsuru?

[fresh mulch]

who tops

(mitsuru obvs)

[rustic shadow]

100%

[rustic shadow]

Rise & Ann?

[fresh mulch]

🔥

[fresh mulch]

(i should write a oneshot fic of this one day 😈 )

[fresh mulch]

lets goooo

sleep bonus every night

now to find the thing they use to keep the player stuck in the attic

[fresh mulch]

you can read books in school during kamoshida's arc now

like, why can't we do that???

i bet many people dont even know you can read books at school because when they tried to when exploring for the first time, they couldnt

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah this is a very old thing. just sharing

[fresh mulch]

... oh no

i just had an amazing idea that i shouldn't pursue

im too ambitious for my own good...

okay hear me out

what if... makoto and haru had one or two slink ranks available before they joined as phantom thieves?

with the meeting spot being the school rooftop, its the perfect time to introduce haru's confidant naturally, as well as the gardening system

and makoto forcing a srank with you because she was told to uh talk with your or smth? i dont have the details

makoto's case might not even need to unlock a proper slink since she has no time or interest to hang out with you rn

anyone has ideas or thoughts?

i do think i could use at least two optional ranks, maybe haru, to make the month of april less of a zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[uncut depot]

isnt that just a flag

[fresh mulch]

i mean, it should be. but they also often just... check the day to do that

they do have a flag at least

very similar deal with the desk

a switch statement could've been used here, since all they are doing is setting a message based on values

(decompiler's fault?)

similarly, hopefully i can just toggle npc haru with a flag

[strong moat]

I think this works better as a concept for Haru but not so well for Makoto in context of the story

frankly it's not like midkoto needs it anyways

[fresh mulch]

yeah i dont think she would hang out with you

[uncut depot]

yeah i dont think makoto really needs to be introduced earlier, third arc out of 9 is not that late lol

[strong moat]

haru doesn't necessarily need it but it is a way to introduce her in a timely manner

[fresh mulch]

at this point is less 'needs' and more like 'that would be cool'

[uncut depot]

i mean it wouldnt hurt for haru

[strong moat]

I would say the main thing is that Haru doesn't really do anything of note. not sure how introducing her slightly earlier would help there but I don't think it would hurt

[fresh mulch]

and i do think an auto rank 1 that cant go up until she joins pts is a cool idea

[fresh mulch]

(makoto)

[fresh mulch]

OH i know

look, this is a mod so anyone playing this already knows who haru is. but as a proof of concept of what could've been, its kinda neat to be introduced to someone with surname 'okumura' early

[strong moat]

ok here's my thought. the more I think about it the more I am against Makoto getting an early confidant and more in favor of Haru getting one

[strong moat]

yeah true lol. again it doesn't hurt at all it would help at least a little

[fresh mulch]

yknow, fine, i see it. (while no confidant rank... i do want to make a custom event with makoto interacting with ryuji or jonkle (or both) before the kaneshiro arc in a more 'antagonistic' way that still shows cracks of whats going on. again, proof of concept of what they were going for in her introduction, but executed earlier so it doesnt feel episodic. and why is this in-between parenthesis)

[strong moat]

my justification for this in my head is roughly

• Haru needs more screentime. we all know this
• Makoto is fine in terms of screen time.
• the point of a confidant is that you are making a deal with them to exchange things for your mutual benefit. Makoto simply does not have that relationship with Joker at that point, it's pretty established that she is suspicious of him and that leaves very little room for that sort of deal
• Haru on the other hand is far more neutral. I can easily see some sort of small deal being made (even something as simple as, you help her with planting -> she lets you have some vegetables for yourself to help you)
• this further helps establish Haru's character early - she's willing to help this guy with such a horrible reputation purely out of the kindness of her heart

[uncut depot]

like the issue with haru as writ is you dont properly meet her until like halfway through the game, (for comparison akechi and sumire both join after her but are introduced and have confidant ranks way earlier,) and after her story arc shes mostly out of focus due to the plot being focused on other party members

[strong moat]

this wouldn't be bad but yeah I think it's better to keep it as an event

[uncut depot]

somehow i took long enough to type that that brawler made the same arg but better

[strong moat]

😭😭

I think you covered stuff I didn't really talk on anyways

[fresh mulch]

i was knocking my noggin thinking of what a deal could be, but yeah i cant think of anything natural by this point. so just a simple event it is

[strong moat]

it just doesn't really make sense at that point in the plot imo

[fresh mulch]

thats why i have you guys

[strong moat]

heh. I may dislike some aspects of P5's writing but I still like the game overall, I think a lot of it is salvageable

[uncut depot]

speaking of after her story arc, remember when they were setting her up as a black mask red herring and then just dropped it lol

[strong moat]

no lmao I don't even remember that

[fresh mulch]

i hate p5 grrrrr 😡 (it stole my lunchmoney)

[uncut depot]

the beauty thief bit they point out like...the obvious color of her mask but then the pts dismiss it because the encounter turns into a clown show, and then after her shitty dad dies in a way where the pts dont immediately realize they were set up she like pulls away for a bit which couldve been part of a bait if the writers wanted but they didnt do that

[fresh mulch]

the writers forgot as quickly as the players

[strong moat]

icl P5 was my least favorite newsona game for a while but that doesn't mean it's not still very good, I just felt the other two games set a higher standard

well

other.... multiple games bc expanded rereleases haha

[fresh mulch]

at least p5r made ailments somewhat useful (for like the first three palaces)

[strong moat]

P5 for me was always a game where I felt it had a lot of potential but they left a lot of it unrealized

[fresh mulch]

might be the development hell

[strong moat]

I certainly believe so

[strong moat]

I forgot about all this lmao

[fresh mulch]

what made p5 so popular again? the soundtrack, menus, and smash?

[strong moat]

I mean, it's tough. when it comes to late joining party members,

• P1 doesn't do that
• P2IS/EP have returning characters from P1
• P3 has Shinji being present in the plot to some extent, in the background
• P4 has Naoto showing up early and then conflicting with the team for a while

so they're either established characters or they have something relevant to do in the plot to make them interesting

[fresh mulch]

oh and the first arc i think helped set a good first impression too

[strong moat]

the UI design and menus were a big part of what made the game stand out. I think for people who actually played it, the big thing was just how refined the modern persona formula was by that point, and the writing having pretty universal themes that were straightforward and appealed to plenty of people in general (despite it being written mainly with Japan in mind)

like mechanically I think P5 overall has the best social sim in the series

the stylishness of the menus also lends well to gameplay bc they made something really snappy and smooth feeling

especially in combat

[fresh mulch]

huh, true about the themes. everyone does like the idea of rebelling against powerful people

[strong moat]

P3/4 simply didn't really have that sort of reach and that level of attention grabbing

P3/4 are also frankly a little bit clunky

not P3R but that game has other issues

[fresh mulch]

its amazing how making stuff feel quick and smooth can improve gameplay so much without actually changing anything about the gameplay. imagine p5's combat system with p2's ui

(what were they thinking)

[strong moat]

P2EP is actually fine

and P2IS PSX

it's entirely P2IS PSP that fucked it up lol

[fresh mulch]

no way really?

[strong moat]

but yes I think that's probably the best way that turn based games can continue to progress and evolve in interesting ways

persona 3 fes has imo the best combat mechanically in the entire series but persona 5 is the best feeling, and that feeling means a lot

[strong moat]

you're talking about how fucking slow everything is right?

that's entirely a P2IS PSP issue

[fresh mulch]

based

[strong moat]

the other oldsona games are not P5 levels of fast and snappy but they are an acceptable speed

[uncut depot]

in terms of sl mechanics i wouldve preferred if they at least kept doubt so that you have to use some consideration in how you spend your time with them, but the sls themselves never fall below forgettable for me, i never had a moment of "idc how many points it gives me, i am not gonna enable hidetoshis cop ass"

[strong moat]

lmaoooo

yeah doubt would have been a good mechanic but oh well

the fact that P5 removed all reverses too was sad though

P5's confidants are a bit more on the forgettable side for me but they aren't P3's so it could be worse

like I'm sorry I could not tell you what half the party member confidants are about lmao

[fresh mulch]

i just wish atlus didnt try to make everything look like persona 5

[strong moat]

let me try actually

[fresh mulch]

what how is this wind

[uncut depot]

i mean it does look like a pinwheel

[fresh mulch]

yeah but it feels out of place with how abstract it is next to the others

[rare oriole]

i mean, how would you represnt wind

[uncut depot]

like thinking about it, i guess the closest comparison to my example would be mishima also being kinda shitty in his sl, but the points dont actually matter for him anyway so theres no incentive not to just tell him off which you eventually do in the mementos trip anyway

[fresh mulch]

huh i never noticed how smooth and round p5 elements are

quite a contrast to everything else being very jagged. i like it

[fresh mulch]

mishima being auto is very interesting. people dont attribute that to his personality like they do with yoshida

[fresh mulch]

are ya trying?

[strong moat]

ryuji.... something about exposing corruption with the school sports teams
ann... obviously the best confession scene in the entire series bravo ATLUS you've really outdone yourself (JK I think this one was about like competing with that one other girl for... something)
Morgana is auto so I'm not counting him
yusuke... finding out how to art again after being freed from madarame
eiko... bonds with Makoto over some series before getting into trouble working in the wrong neighborhood before Makoto bails her out... but seriously this one felt like an attempt to have Makoto open up and try to focus on being not only book smart but also having practical skills and knowledge
futaba... getting over some of her anxiety of being in large crowds + something about goals
haru.... getting out of her forced marriage?

(I just got distracted with work)

[strong moat]

that one is kinda nice, but I also think when it comes to pushing back on people, P4 already struck a nice balance as is, so idk why his is semi auto

[fresh mulch]

haru is about the fallout of okumura's death and the greedy guys that worked under him trying to trick haru for their own benefit i think

i dont remember the specifics.
oh and she decides to open a cozy coffee shop in the future

[strong moat]

I feel bad with haru bc I'm sure her confidant is actually decently compelling but I genuinely don't remember many details of it

[uncut depot]

elephant dung coffee B)

[fresh mulch]

i think one issue is that i remember being more told by haru about these guys than witnessing them. in fact, the one guy i remember seeing in person was actually very nice

[strong moat]

the poor timing of Haru's confidant doesn't help either

[fresh mulch]

clearly ann's confidant wouldve been better if it ended with ann getting two bitches (toxic yuri mika and healing yuri shiho)

[strong moat]

it's easier in royal but still, if you're playing blind you might end up putting her confidant off

[strong moat]

the funny thing is I think Ann's confidant was largely involved with Mika right???

but I don't remember much of that besides her wanting to make her heart stronger and then competing with Mika. I don't even remember what the payoff of Mika was for her

the shiho stuff was just hilarious though they did her dirty

[fresh mulch]

i dont think she and mika had much of a closure

[strong moat]

I just get the feeling that with Ann in particular they did not really know what they were trying to do with her

[fresh mulch]

but for her to have a whole-ass portrait, i think she might have been one of the earlier confidants?

before they knew what to do

[strong moat]

bc her writing is all over the place, there is some consistency but I can't think of a meaningful arc Ann goes through after early game

[fresh mulch]

(still in ann's confidant. i mean that they gave her a portrait)

you see plenty of characters that are like mika in other confidants without portraits

[rare oriole]

p4 stands alone with a good s-links for the cast

[strong moat]

something something development hell

[strong moat]

yeah lol but I've also made it very clear here that I think P4 social links clear in general

[uncut depot]

mika is bitchy about the fact that ann is just naturally good at modeling without trying when she actually has to put in the work and then ann is mad because shes right and...something something wanting even more to be a stronger person

[fresh mulch]

one think is that i dont think she utilizes the symbolism of the lovers arcana very well in her confidant?

[uncut depot]

no lala bustup

[rare oriole]

lala slink would've been peak, instead we got a drunk

[uncut depot]

oh i just thought of something
the unused temple decoration in thieves' den is in the confidant category rather than daily life, which implies to me it was gonna be part of some rankup or another, presumably one of the new confidants since kichijoji obv didnt exist in og but i could see ann like stopping there wondering if thatll help with this heart strengthening thing

[strong moat]

imagine she just gets +SP and she's like oh my spirit feels stronger!!
...but this isn't what I'm looking for

[uncut depot]

thing is while i do think lala is cool i also think "washed up journalist whose partner went missing under extremely suspicious circumstances and turns out to have been targeted by the main villain, and her boss is mistreating her in an attempt to keep her from figuring this out" is actually an interesting-ass concept that they somehow managed to completely fail at

[uncut depot]

i think itd be funny if her ass cannot lock in on this meditation thing lmao

[fresh mulch]

as much as i love mika ||she could step on m—|| i think she's part of the issue of ann's slink feeling all over the place. either focus more on her, or maybe actually give us shiho

[fresh mulch]

i just cant dislike ohya

i like the drunk lady

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-persona-5-ohya-drinking-drunk-gif-7277384223523245430

[fresh mulch]

this sparked an idea i've been having lately but didnt think much about it

im thinking of having more of those confidant events that dont increase confidant, but you need to do to increase the rank. (they are usually done for stuff like mementos missions) in this case you'd be able to have them be done while you are not ready to rankup yet pointwise tho. i think this could help with some of them

ann's confidant effectively only has 8 ranks of development, because the first one is auto, and the last one at 10 is usually an 'epilogue' to the confidant's arc

thats not a lot of room, specially for my case

[fresh mulch]

i still struggle to believe she's not capital L lesbian

[uncut depot]

i think you could prob have one that sets a(n obviously unused) bitflag either in or right after the event, and then having the flag on lets you do the actual rank
thats basically what they do with the one school event between kawakamis last two ranks

[rare oriole]

since we have a save framework, how come we're still locked to existing flags/counts?

couldn't that just be saved to a json externally and tied to the save

[fresh mulch]

how does the game handle confidant and rank availability?

ive seen some stuff on the npc themselves. and some things that look like they are tied to the phone invites somewhere

i also know of the ctd for slink points

[uncut depot]

morgantrue

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah i have to remember to try this out

alexa remind me in 2 weeks

[uncut depot]

(although tbh no one but me has even tried using it lmao and the doubt mod is not in a testable state so idk how itll actually go :V)

[fresh mulch]

wait what

what's so different about kawakami's rank 9 event that needs to be constantly checked in the schedulers?

[uncut depot]

theres the small event at the school that plays when shes between 9 and 10

[fresh mulch]

yeah but she has others at school

[uncut depot]

it gates the rank 10

and you dont "go" to it it plays during the daily school segments

(i have a check for it in the doubt mod for the plot-related pauses)

[fresh mulch]

wait is rank 9 the one that kawakami gets sick?

[uncut depot]

thats. 6 lmao

[quiet prism]

I know it's a little late for the haru discussion but I think I'm in agreement. It also helps solidify her crush on joker

[fresh mulch]

thats a lot of rank 9s

[fresh mulch]

im pretty sure you need access to school too for that part. the one before getting sick that the parents conveniently appear out of nowhere at school to chew on kawakami for a bit

[uncut depot]

no thats after

[fresh mulch]

this is confusing

[uncut depot]

you have rank 6 where shes hospitalized, she tells herself shes gonna quit her maid job, and then the takases show up at the school and you get the request

[fresh mulch]

ooohh

takases? more like takasses

i keep getting distracted

[rare oriole]

you need to gay lock in

[fresh mulch]

im gaylockingin

uuhh aside from one bit of dialogue this is basically complete!

mona is on drugs, there are no other worlds smh

(also im struggling to get the stupid cat to appear)

[fresh mulch]

i have no idea what i have to do for him to be on the table

mona wtf

[quiet prism]

Is there any wonder they made a non-simping mod for him

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-persona5-morgana-catfish-mona-gif-22879397

[uncut depot]

she should sit on me instead laugh track

[quiet prism]

In other words kitty cat is your stereotypical magician. It's sad that only three games have really passed and we can now consider this a true archetype

[fresh mulch]

agreed

[fresh mulch]

>only three games

...why is yuka a magician

but yeah. all of them? PERVERTS

[green folio]

Leave my yosuke out of this 😖

[fresh mulch]

he's a pervert too

[green folio]

yeahh can’t really defend him 🙁

out of the rest he’s the less of a bum though

[fresh mulch]

i think if we dont count the p1 girl, mona is the least pervert tho

[green folio]

I guess actively yes but it’s actually so miserable hearing “you’re so gorgeous panther” EVERY SINGLE FIGHT until the navigator switch drives me insane

[fresh mulch]

yeah the navi lines make he seem much worse than he actually is

mona's simping reminds me more of a prepubescent boy tho

also im not innocent in the perv department

[grand cipher]

I find it funny where even Ann had enough of morgana complimenting her (anime buffet scene)

[weary rapids]

Junpei is the goat and Yosuke is voiced by Yuri Lowenthal so both of them gets a pass

And we are all guilty at some point in our lives

[fresh mulch]

there is being horny, and there is... them

anyway, i dont have to give em any passes

also, ryuji is way more of a pervert than mona. he just doesnt shout it

at the end of the day, fictional characters are not real, so i dont have actual beef with them

[quiet prism]

Amen. As a straight man, there's three simple rules. Eyes have a 90 degree leeway, keep your mouth shut and your hands to yourself.

[fresh mulch]

talking about the sins of fictional characters,,, i legit dont remember a scene of mona harassing ann. am i forgetting one?

[fresh mulch]

good

[quiet prism]

Nope. He simps but he is a gentleman. The only time he ever got too close with Ann because he was in one of his treasure fugues.

[green folio]

Gulp

[fresh mulch]

funny thing. ann doesnt show that she cares at all about mona's simping

i dont remember she being annoyed about it in the game

[quiet prism]

Yeah she's very ambivalent to it. Almost like she doesn't want to reject him but at the same time she ain't even given a time of day. Which kind of feels worse, like if you don't want anything to do with it say it out right

[fresh mulch]

but when something similar happens between ryuji and ann, its not considered simping, its 'best friends being comfortable with each other' or smth

[quiet prism]

As Sweet home Alabama as it May imply, that probably is because there's probably nothing more than a sibling bond between the two.

[fresh mulch]

i love ryuji but boy does the fanbase have an issue with defending him and demonizing mona

[lunar vector]

REAL.

[green folio]

preach

[quiet prism]

Both were definitely in the wrong that day. Ryuji more than Mona, but seriously. Ryuji probably thought their friendship was based on biting behavior, if Morgana had been up front but hey that doesn't fly I'm pretty sure Ryuji would have backed up. Then again Morgana had been biting him since day one as well so

[fresh mulch]

if mona said what ryuji said in that whole okumura arc sequence, you wouldnt hear the end of it from the fanbase

[green folio]

i think mona just started to get more affected by what ryuji had always been saying more since he saw himself as useless after futaba joined

[fresh mulch]

i do prefer mona's version of the 'pervert', simply because he's not really one. i dont remember him being sexual, and he's more childishly smitten for one specific girl, who doesnt complain about him at all

as a character junpei is very interesting and i like him and his arc in the story. but as a woman...

a gay woman even. dont expect me to extend olive branches

anyway, not much more to be said here. i have a conundrum about the mod itself

[quiet prism]

Uh oh

[fresh mulch]

where would be a good place to have a 'needs to get out of the palace to the real world to do an event to continue' in kamoshida's?

[quiet prism]

Oof. That is a good question. I mean you do it already thrice in the whole damn thing. But to make it the same as the others right. Maybe the tower just after you get into it and look for the eyes.

[fresh mulch]

i was thinking the eyes too. in that case we would be removing the enemies and have something that could resemble the eyes in the teacher's faculty office? maybe have a riddle that the pts decode to justify them taking this gamble

[quiet prism]

Hmm... I see where you're going with this bud I'm no good as a riddle master. I tend to be too rambly or too blunt.

[fresh mulch]

rip

[strong moat]

man kamoshidas palace is already scripted enough as is lol

[grand cipher]

how about something like strikers did? In the church part, a session is being held and you can't move foward until it's over. The session being a volleyball match so until it's over you can't continue. The match lasts until After School or smth

[fresh mulch]

i was mostly using this as an excuse to have an event that forces the pts to get together on the school rooftop and then meet haru who was tending to the plants(i think i can clear rain in any case right)?

like, i could use the initial event of them getting together to discuss before entering the palace, but that feels like too much too early

and the reunion after the calling card does not give the player the chance to plant haru's vegetables for the dungeon, so gameplaywise it feels off

[quiet prism]

I would definitely do it there. Most veteran players are optimized to run through the palace in one shot, where ironically enough April 20th being the best day. Plenty of time to plant some vegetables and complete the palace before the deadline. At the same time it acts as an introductory that normal optimization isn't going to be allowed

[fresh mulch]

well, running through the palace in one shot here without burning the singular dlc box soma is going to be nearly impossible tbf

not only that, but alert doesnt go down naturally, and some bosses will be little shits with adding alerts

(the archangel boss fight even gives you a bit more right after beating it)

[quiet prism]

Stock up on calming aromas, got it.
On a different tangent, canonically because you're not going to be doing anything to the voices, that means that your version of Joker has a contralto voice correct? Basically the currently deepest octave an assigned female at birth can obtain without treatment correct?

[fresh mulch]

then you miss lockpicks 😈
idk much about what you are talking about when it comes to voices, but she canonically has a very handsome voice indeed

[quiet prism]

Yeah it's a contralto. Those are usually used for the Bishonen princely female characters. Haruka, Xenovia from DxD. Very Warrior-esque or charming in a princely kind of manner.

Of course women of authority also have this vocal range, like Mitsuru.

[fresh mulch]

you see, rei is like this because she got the gay™

many such cases

[lunar vector]

Gay voice is real....

[fresh mulch]

real

[quiet prism]

Naoto tries to copy it, but she's caught in between that and her natural mezzo soprano.

[fresh mulch]

all i know is that im gay and my voice is quite deep

[quiet prism]

Well, there is speculation that homosexual women do have a higher testosterone production rate, not enough to alter visible physiology, but it does tighten the vocal cords which is what causes the lower octaves

[lunar vector]

Idk what the need is to be so technical about it

[quiet prism]

I'm just that kind of person

[fresh mulch]

nah im just tall

oh, how is the status of haru's arranged marriage at the beginning of the year?

[lunar vector]

We see her with him around the time of the summer festival, right?

[grand cipher]

we actually see her in april

[lunar vector]

In the sneak peek we get of her or whatever.

[grand cipher]

and even during walks to school

[lunar vector]

With him, though?

[grand cipher]

not with the fiance no. Think thats october onward

[lunar vector]

I swear he's with her in the animated cutscene circa the festival, but I could be misremembering.

[fresh mulch]

i guess i could have a shadow of his presence already begin early on. i think it'd make sense that the arranged marriage could be being planned in april

[lunar vector]

I definitely don't think there's anything to disprove that timeline, at least.

[grand cipher]

Maybe do what they did in april where you can see haru and the fiance walking together like Sae and Akechi does?

[fresh mulch]

i have a plan for harurei...

[weary rapids]

Explain yourself

[grand cipher]

why spoil the surprise

[fresh mulch]

you see, haru is feeling trapped and treated like an object. arranged marriage, yknow. so in this situation, its likely for her to be seeking some control over her life and own individuality. the gardening is such an example... but lets say she likes women and has to repress that, and suddenly she meets this very handsome bad girl that has rumors of being into girls... 😈

such a classic yuri trope

[sullen drift]

I steamrolled through arc 1 and was on fire. I think it helped me cope with a lot of stuff because as a DV survivor who was bullied as a child I got to beat the shit out of someone who could represent decades of PTSD. I’ve never not enjoyed replaying tha section either, even if some parts are wonky… the payoff of destroying Kamoshida always makes me happy.

Especially because he ACTUALLY confesses. Irl people go to prison with mountains of evidence and still nevr admit it.

[grand cipher]

sorry to hear about that. hope your doing okay now. ❤️

[quiet prism]

Well the engagement was announced in october, judging from some of their conversations it's implied they were arranged for a while before that. It only came up because of the whole idiotic business that we were discussing earlier today

[fresh mulch]

idk how to respond to things like this, but i hope you are in a better place now
i'll be beating kamoshida extra hard from now on

anyway, im fortunate this chat is very big brained i can rely on yall on feedback, thoughts, and ideas

also, very gay

[green folio]

I can help!

on the gay part

[grand cipher]

gay joker

[green folio]

thats about it

[fresh mulch]

then can you help me decide who tops? futaba or sumi?

||/j||

[quiet prism]

Can't help you on the gay part but, futaba may be the chaos gremlin, but her social inexperience is definitely a big disadvantage

[fresh mulch]

The Answer

[quiet prism]

That about sums it up

[fresh mulch]

tragic ewe yuri

[lunar vector]

Eweri 🐑🐑

[green folio]

I think Futaba

[fresh mulch]

why futaba?

[green folio]

she's a freak in p5d

that's my sole reasoning, at least to make it more likely than sumi

[fresh mulch]

true...

whos responsible for sneaking such a gay in persona

https://tenor.com/view/persona5-futaba-sakura-makoto-niijima-gif-20863209

i didnt know i needed this ship

[rustic shadow]

Wait

What about fuuka & futaba??

[fresh mulch]

they should have sesbian lex

[rustic shadow]

Who would be top tho?? That kinda a hard question

[fresh mulch]

i can see fuuka have an ancient top-bone hidden somewhere until its activated by a bottomer bottom

(wtf am i saying)

[rustic shadow]

Haru & futaba ain't bad either (haru said that she have a nice body)

[fresh mulch]

haru and futaba is so cute

tbf futaba contrasts well in any ship with the p5 girls

[rustic shadow]

Agreed

[fresh mulch]

time to begin a new event (the event here is a placeholder)

ryuji and ann will be gone and haru will appear. thats the plan at least

WAIT

this is perfect opportunity to have haru know 'mona-chan' beforehand

... its late ill be doing this tomorrow

night homos

[green folio]

Night nightt

[quiet prism]

Screw it, I don't care if imma hetero I'll take the nickname.

[uncut depot]

im aspec and i wish my voice was deep

[uncut depot]

haru completes her transformation into anthy himemiya

[uncut depot]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/036/050/Sans_titre_1.jpg

[fresh mulch]

i'll have to watch utena one day wont i

[rare oriole]

so that was a lie

[fresh mulch]

im getting my fix

[fresh mulch]

Futaba is now officially the gayest ig

Mornin gays and nongays

[fresh mulch]

disappointed haru || ||

[quiet prism]

Hey your crush on Joker kinda messed you up. Even your gay with Makoto wasn't enough to push back against the chaos skin ship goblin that is Futaba Sakura.

[fresh mulch]

mona please stop levitating

its haruing time 🔥 🔥

[rich stratus]

its girl with watering can woaw...

[fresh mulch]

she's the girl that squirts the plants yes

[quiet prism]

So I know melee weapons are going to be interchangeable depending on what you need them to do, but are the firearms still character restricted

[fresh mulch]

yes, mostly because of the limitations of the game itself

the firearm mechanics are not tied per item, but per character. so funky stuff happens

[quiet prism]

Oh that's right that's why it's only limited to one per playthrough. Can't sell it back and you can only have one customization attached alongside the camo mod

[fresh mulch]

this is not really why. its kinda weird you cant sell them back tho

[fresh mulch]

okay i think that after this one there is at least one more custom event i wanna make

i cant stop myself

[fresh mulch]

im in a pickle

i want to introduce haru earlier, but she would not be on a first-name basis here, and she also wouldn't be 'well-behaved girl' after meeting her and learning her name. but i'm unsure of having her speaker tag be 'Okumura'

[strong moat]

add an honorific?

[fresh mulch]

i was thinking of that. but i dont think any other speaker tags have an honorific

okay there is one random one

so i guess theres precedence

[strong moat]

hmm yeah bc I'm not sure about "Okumura" either

[fresh mulch]

Okumura-san it is ig

[quiet prism]

Well that is the difference between Eastern and Western politeness. It may sound weebish, but yobisute without permission is a sign of deep disrespect.

[fresh mulch]

yobiwhat

[quiet prism]

The Japanese term for using a name without honorifics. It's a sign of extreme closeness. That's why in the text scene when both Makoto and Haru say that they're allowed to use their given names, another phantom thieves make sure that it's absolutely okay. You don't call a person by their last name or given name without a form of honorific or suffix without Express permission. It's like basically calling someone you absolutely don't know without Mr. Ms. Or Mrs.

[fresh mulch]

those are harder to find so i had to make this one myself

the world isnt ready for rizz goddess futaba

[lunar vector]

Tbf, Joker is very rude re: honorifics in their own head at least. No honorifics for teachers....

Whether this actually reflects how Joker talks aloud varies, but 🤷

[rare oriole]

now i just want p5r but with futaba protag

actually wasnt that a thing or just a concept post

[lunar vector]

WIP with a concept post 🙂‍↕️

[fresh mulch]

yup

[lunar vector]

Also, if you really wanna lean into the yuri tropes of it all, Rei could have an annoying-affectionate nickname for Haru until she joins the party properly....

I feel like Haru would hear it once, find it hilarious, and give her permission to keep using the nickname.

I'm talking "Hey there, Marshmallow," levels of annoying-affectionate-goofy.

[fresh mulch]

interesting...

talking about it, i was thinking of having haru ending up as a co-conspirator before she joins

[fresh mulch]

i wish i could have youtube in the background when i do anything but my brain cant anymore

i just at the video without doing anything

[quiet prism]

Yep that's the brain rot. Where once it would have been nice to have it in the background, now it just saps your attention away.

[strong moat]

yeah, of course the problem is that the English localization chooses to not translate things exactly as they would be in Japanese (this is not a "localization sucks" argument to be clear) so then you have to match up with how the English localization chooses to do it (or you can just go and say fuck it we are editing all names to add appropriate honorifics and such, but that's a lot of work)

[fresh mulch]

maybe they did what sounded better?

[strong moat]

in a few cases, they did not correctly localize some things but apparently this was due to intervention from the Japanese side of atlus

which is kinda funny but whatever

[fresh mulch]

wait what

[strong moat]

some pronunciation things

I think when it comes to honorifics though they probably were trying to strike a balance between Japanese honorifics and English's lack of honorifics

(this is what localization is for tbf, trying to cross the language and culture barrier)

[fresh mulch]

honorifics can make some stuff awkward sounding in english so i get it if it was because of that

[lunar vector]

Sometimes localization means changing things pretty substantially to get it to land the way you (or I guess the corporate overlords in this case) want

[strong moat]

also there's some like the principal receiving a name in English, or futaba's code name being different, etc

[fresh mulch]

wait the principal has no name????

[strong moat]

correct

[fresh mulch]

[strong moat]

entirely a localization thing

[fresh mulch]

SUI director all over again

[strong moat]

I think there's a decent justification for that one from a localization perspective

but

it is still a little funny

[fresh mulch]

he is kind of a significant enough antagonist, to not receive a name is so odd

and sui being the literal red herring for the big bad not receiving a name is even worse

[strong moat]

honestly he's not really that significant of an antagonist so I kinda understand it

[fresh mulch]

he is while shujin matters

[strong moat]

the SIU director not receiving a name is very funny but there are other major problems with his writing; if those were addressed I think they could get away with not naming him

[fresh mulch]

(so the very beginning)

[lunar vector]

The Principal also matters during Makoto's intro arc, to some degree.

Although honestly I think his presence there muddles things re: her actual motivations.

[fresh mulch]

he's very important for makoto's arc in fact. its kinda weird how there was no confrontation at all with him and he just gets isekaid in a cutscene

i guess they didnt want to have two palaces in the school so they went with kaneshiro

[lunar vector]

It feels like he's just there so that her stuff with Sae has somewhere to go in the Casino arc, rather than all happening in the Kaneshiro arc.

But her awakening stuff drives me kind of nuts when it's like. Okay you're upset about your sister treating you like garbage and thinking you're useless but we're gonna make up some other contrived stuff instead I guess. Sure, whatever.

Maybe making Kobayakawa a stronger presence would fix that? But eh.

[fresh mulch]

i see her being tired over being treated like a tool by powerful men, so kaneshiro's threat made her snap or smth. but for an awakening, it feels a bit too disjointed

[lunar vector]

My agenda returns!!!

[fresh mulch]

makoto's arc couldve taken a bit from naoto imo. i mean, her literal persona is a popess the dressed like a man and rose through their ranks that have always gatekept women
i dont mean to have makoto to dress like a guy, more so deal more with the institutional sexism theme that is very big for both niijima sisters

[lunar vector]

That would also be an interesting angle, yeah, although, man... the game BARELY touches the topic for Makoto. You'll have your work cut out for you -- although I guess we already knew that re: Makoto's rewrite.

[fresh mulch]

considering makoto's persona and sae's commentary of sexism, it does seem like they had something like that as their initial idea. maybe they thought it was too close to naoto? dik

[lunar vector]

Maybe

[strong moat]

I honestly don't think in the default P5 plot that the principal needs a name to be relevant, he's not really relevant enough that it's weird for him to lack a name

I meant to say that earlier but I got busy

like does he matter? yes but not that much lol

[strong moat]

conceptually I like Makoto's initial arc but yeah it is a bit contrived
I don't even see her arc being about sexism the way it was written. it's that she is a pushover and was too scared to stand up and do what was right bc of threats to herself

honestly in general Makoto's writing is a bit of a mess lmao

I don't really even know what more to say about it it's not very good. it just has good aspects to it but it's not cohesive it is very disjointed as stated

[fresh mulch]

i mean, im saying that this is what the idea they seem to toy with, but decided not to

a huge reason for makoto to be the way she is is because of her sister's own attitute towards work, which is born from a sexist workplace

so it is about sexism, just as a subtext

[lunar vector]

Agreed kinda, but I honestly think it's more about abuse as a subtext than it is about sexism as a subtext. But it is a mix of both.

[strong moat]

oh I see what you mean

[lunar vector]

It does kinda come down to it being a mess where there are any number of threads you could pull out and work with to actually make it interesting, but it's all muddled....

[fresh mulch]

sae is explicitally about that tbf. sui director's comment about sae getting too old and that she should marry soon is not subtle. makoto's just doesnt namedrop these issues, mostly being from her sister's side of the story, while hers is framed more generically

[lunar vector]

I have the pretty hard stance that Makoto comes across as muddled as she does because the game won't explicitly admit her story is about familial abuse. So it says a bunch of other stuff is her motivation when if you just think about it in terms of her extremely complicated (admiring/fearful/resentful) relationship with Sae, it makes much more sense.

[fresh mulch]

and tbf, sexism is a big undercurrent in the subtext of society, so deal with any female struggle and it will brush the theme regardless(as well as many male struggles too)

[lunar vector]

Sexism is of course a factor here, but mostly through Sae, and also just generally true by the nature of things, as you say.

[lunar vector]

Even weird fan service scenes like her freaking out and grabbing Joker in the Sakura residence makes more sense in this context, because the main thing she does is start babbling "I'M SORRY SIS--"

Like. It's all about Sae!!!

Anyway, that's my soapbox, lmao.

I'm fully soapboxing re: the vanilla game here and not what you need to do for the mod.

[strong moat]

is good to talk about what the game(s) do or don't do well I think

I get the feeling that's appreciated for this mod lol

[lunar vector]

Just wanna make clear I'm not gonna like, be mad if that's not the direction the mod takes 😅

[strong moat]

it's funny that they don't really talk much on Makoto/Sae's relationship bc then at the end of the game Sae is like ok I'm a better person now! and everyone is like ok yay :D

like ok we're just dropping this plot point ig

[lunar vector]

The game can't let her be too complicated a figure

[strong moat]

gotta make her a mess of a character instead yayyy

[fresh mulch]

i think i'd like tackling more makoto's rocky relationship with her sister, who basically became a 'maternal' figure(idk the best wording for this) of sorts after losing both dad and mom(is mom dead or she just skedaddled?). i see it as she imprinting a lot of her competitivism and rigidity from sae's unhealthy relationship with work at least

[lunar vector]

Except for the absolutely harrowing text from Makoto after that one thirdsem Mementos quest 😭

[lunar vector]

Absolutely, yeah.

Like the whole situation also sucks for Sae and I wouldn't want to completely turn around and villainize her, either.

[fresh mulch]

i like messy women

[fresh mulch]

wait what?

[fresh mulch]

yup. this is a place for big brain discussions and talking about which fictional girl tops who

[lunar vector]

After the Mementos quest with the boy who is his sister's caretaker and hurts her and then wants you to kill him 😔 Makoto sends an, uh...... interesting followup text.

[rare oriole]

consider gaygm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NXLnngHciU

[fresh mulch]

OMG I LOVE THIS LN

[rare oriole]

is it good? i've only watched the show

[fresh mulch]

im not a book person so i have no idea. but i liked it (i read it before the show was announced)

i was gonna send the anime's kiss gif but i think it may be too spicy for here

[lunar vector]

Spicier than all the top/bottom discourse!?

[rare oriole]

would actually fit right in with that discourse tbh

[fresh mulch]

https://youtu.be/7ajDxTtBte4

its not that spicy actually

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/tenten-kakumei-tenten-magic-revolution-tensei-oujo-magirevo-gif-15436637554817135147

thinking about it, the discourse is spicier

NO WAY

[lunar vector]

lmaoooo

[fresh mulch]

truly the most based thread of this server

[weary rapids]

The best thread

[green folio]

petition to make whoever's shadow this is a romanceable option in this mod by changing their heart to become a lesbian

[fresh mulch]

that'd mean they were gay already tho

[weary rapids]

The dot dot dots is enough evidence

[fresh mulch]

i keep getting distracted again i have to go back to making the event

[green folio]

[fresh mulch]

ignore morgana levitating

this one should be relatively quick. its mostly going to be dialogue. now, the other one im planning after this...

(im open to thoughts btw)

[green folio]

HARU

RAHH

[lunar vector]

Found the text... this kills me every time. The Royal writer who wrote this understands Makoto like no one else 🥹

[fresh mulch]

must hold back... from making crude jokes...

[lunar vector]

🤭

[green folio]

this makes me cry of what p5 could've been

if only they implemented haru like naoto...

[fresh mulch]

||may i pet your pussy, ma'am?||

[green folio]

my smile instantly disappeared

[fresh mulch]

[lunar vector]

😔

[green folio]

😔

[fresh mulch]

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/zombielandsaga-sakura-spray-begone-goaway-gif-13162288

[fresh mulch]

not the horny spray...

[green folio]

[fresh mulch]

||(this is tame as far as this thread goes)||

anyway, i have to write the rest

[strong moat]

it would be appreciated if everyone here was mindful and didn't go too far regardless bc I don't want to have to shut anything down for rule 4

[strong moat]

"quick, play dead" is a crazy response

😭

[lunar vector]

It's super in-character though, lmao.

[strong moat]

like

it is

LMAO

[fresh mulch]

||~~im talking about the cat smh my head ~~||

[strong moat]

but it's still really funny to me for some reason

[strong moat]

you know what I meant 😭

[fresh mulch]

im glad i got jonkler right

im gonna rubberduck for a moment. if anyone has any thoughts to contribute, feel free

[strong moat]

you're gonna what now

[fresh mulch]

yknow in programming when you say a problem outloud to a rubber duck to get your thoughts in order?

[strong moat]

I do now

[fresh mulch]

now??

[strong moat]

lol

I'm not a programmer!!!

[fresh mulch]

what do you do

[strong moat]

engineering!!

where we stay as far away from the magic voodoo code bullshit as possible!!!

[rustic shadow]

I'm pretty sure it a mod for that

[fresh mulch]

i had no idea!!!!!!!!

[strong moat]

(that's a partial joke but at least with my field, coding is more of a scripting thing, and it's not the main focus of what we do)

[rare oriole]

liar

you have a github

[strong moat]

who was the one who helped me set up all the code stuff I've ever used for persona mods

here's a hint: they make BGM/audio frameworks for persona games

[fresh mulch]

im thinking of having haru get familiar with the pts from the beginning, acting as a co-conspirator (like i already said), and I think her access to the roof—and growing interest in not just rei, but also about in wanting to be a 'bad girl' to spite her father's control—is the perfect setup for her to help them out

[strong moat]

feels like a substantial rewrite of Haru's character

(not saying that's good or bad just commenting that to confirm that is or isn't your intent)

[fresh mulch]

the next event i plan to do is makoto hounding you ryuji and ann about going to the rooftop without permission, and haru saying that we are helping her with her gardening, to get makoto off of us

[fresh mulch]

i do think that we could see a more mischievous side of haru behind her fluffyness. i mean we already get something like that. so yes it is the intent but im keeping her 'pure outward appearance'

[strong moat]

gotcha

[fresh mulch]

also gives her some hints of rebellion for her pt thing later

[strong moat]

yea the main reason I mention is bc Haru is a very sweet person generally too

but I think it might be kinda cool to focus a bit on the hint of who her character might've been as shown in the P5 opening

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/futaba-persona-5-persona-gif-4558444542703030295

i love the sassy haru here

queen shit

[strong moat]

like everyone makes the jokes about Haru being sadistic but she's a very kind, strong person and it's oftentimes not really shown in her scenes

[rustic shadow]

Cut for no reason 💔

[fresh mulch]

its mostly her mementos dialogue that goes 'i like killing shadows heehee' but the story itself is a bit devoid of this

[strong moat]

yeah, honestly the more dominant traits for her imo are just how good she is at being considerate and understanding towards other people even at her own expense (example: when her father dies, she doesn't really go irrationally blaming the phantom thieves, she just tries to get them to not blame themselves or worry about her)

[fresh mulch]

she would be too slay for us to handle

[strong moat]

she doesn't forgive Akechi in 3rd semester or in their confrontation but she's still empathetic towards him

etc

[fresh mulch]

i do plan in following the feel of her original confidant in having her gain control of her self and not let herself be pushed around by others. learning to be kind while not compromising your own boundaries etc

i think i have a pretty good feel with what i want for haru already

makoto im still thinking about a bit

[strong moat]

mhm she's tough. easy for me to point out where they I think the writing went wrong but idk how you would fix exactly (ok in some cases it's easier to point that out)

[uncut depot]

based tbh

[strong moat]

real

[strong moat]

at minimum I think her writing needs to be more focused on its intended messages and it needs to do this not at the expense of other characters

[fresh mulch]

so, having she actually be smart?