[P5R PC] Take Your Time | [FEMC & Yuri] Story and Gameplay Overhaul

[fresh mulch]

thats always been automatic

you get control after class

[uncut depot]

doesnt the game tell you when you try to rank up and gray out their map indicator

[simple knoll]

but I'll be so fr I don't even know how the trains work bc I never even used them after the one time it was required

[fresh mulch]

i remember some cases not being exactly like that

[fresh mulch]

protip: enter through a open door

so you dont have to waste time watching the cutscene

[simple knoll]

they didn't do that for akechi, I think. or maybe they did

wait no they only Grey it out if you don't meet the social stat requirment

not timegate

[fresh mulch]

yeah im sure that maruki for example consistently shows blue even though you cant up him yet because of timegate

[uncut depot]

does he?

[simple knoll]

I didn't know you could do that

[fresh mulch]

i remember being confused over that

the overworld traveling meta will boom

[uncut depot]

ill be fr i didnt even register the lotterys existence until endgame lmao

[grand cipher]

pls let us fast travel to skip that Ginza Line bs at the start....

[fresh mulch]

the lottery is so useful early game

[uncut depot]

and this was despite me willfully walking around

[fresh mulch]

no

[grand cipher]

yyyyyy

[fresh mulch]

you'll learn to read

https://tenor.com/view/read-gif-25879491

[terse shadow]

throwback btw

oceanstuck

i almost started a myth on accident about the lottery in shibuya but then deleted the meme i made after getting faz to debunk me lolol

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[weary rapids]

Read? Girlkisser thats impossible

We’re Persona fans we aren’t supposed to know how to read

[grand cipher]

plus you expect this generation to read when it's brainrot this and brainrot that?

and 67 and all that

[weary rapids]

I still have no idea what that means

[fresh mulch]

good thing persona 5 and subsequently this mod are rated M

but for real, this mod in itself is M

[fresh mulch]

||im an S ||

[uncut depot]

snrk

[fresh mulch]

what did she mean by this

[sharp yoke]

Didn't you see any… extra…?

Hol.. hol… Hold on

I mean… in all seriousness, they would've surely noticed as they were changing

[fresh mulch]

i mean, if they are looking... and if she doesnt tuck

anyway this is just teenagers being shitty

[sharp yoke]

I suppose… but wouldn't she (MC) be more curvy and feminine-looking anyway?

Just curious

[lunar vector]

You sure you never experienced a locker room as a teen? 😅

[sharp yoke]

Or is it more on the line of androgynous

[fresh mulch]

she looks exactly the same as vanilla joker

its the whole thing

[fresh mulch]

yes

this reminds me... making futaba trans makes her school anxiety even worse

i dont think a quick school festival trip would be enough

[simple knoll]

damn

[lunar vector]

HUGE WIN

(I love them both)

[unborn sonnet]

I really love Ann, shes so cute!

[fresh mulch]

HOLY SHIT

the upset

its official then, ann will top

[quiet prism]

I apologize for my previous message to anyone who read l it. My brain gets stupid when it doesn't sleep

[simple knoll]

huh

[fresh mulch]

i have no idea what it was

i hate doing this 😭

[strong moat]

this is slightly funny when you ignore the mod context and imagine joker still being a guy

[fresh mulch]

LMAO

[strong moat]

"it's okay to be straight!"

[fresh mulch]

"i thought you were gay "

[simple knoll]

straight in a gay world

[fresh mulch]

the identical-looking jonkle will create some funny out-of-context screenshots...

[strong moat]

woke persona 5 (joker is being oppressed for being straight)

[fresh mulch]

btw anyone help pin this?

[fresh mulch]

basedsona 5 i mean the rainbow mafia at it again

[simple knoll]

when will girlkisser be verified modder frfr

[fresh mulch]

Reirei

[worthy sage]

i'm getting close to verified modder, i still have lots to learn though

[fresh mulch]

im getting close to verified homosexual i just need to gay harder

[fresh mulch]

this is the dumbest shit i've ever wrote in my life

[fresh mulch]

man i have a habit of reading too fast. the videos go zoom

[unborn sonnet]

I feel like you wrote it really well though! Its also nice attention to detail for what kinda rumors would be going around about femc

[fresh mulch]

i cast my inner dudebro for this

[fresh mulch]

tips fedora

[left hinge]

Actually this is common in asia.
My whole middle school and highschool was like this also

[fresh mulch]

but did they have to plaster big-ass numbers on the wall showing "3" on the first-year floor? its so confusing

[left hinge]

Not the wall itself
But ofc there just class marking

But honestly I agree it's stupid lmao

[simple knoll]

imagine having floors

[fresh mulch]

is there even something you do in the third floor after the volleyball rally?

[simple knoll]

just throw all the 1200 students in one two story building like my school

[left hinge]

Aside library and student council room ?
Nothing

(And roof I guess?)

[fresh mulch]

library is third floor?

[simple knoll]

yes the hallways were hot and sweaty and smelled like teenager BO

[fresh mulch]

also technically roof is the fourth floor

[fresh mulch]

lovely (two-story schools are very common here too)

[simple knoll]

getting to class was like going through traffic on a high way

[left hinge]

I think so
Bcs 2nd was teacher room

And if I recall library and council is next to each other

[fresh mulch]

i cant remember where is shit because of fast travel in this game

[left hinge]

1200 ?! Bruh that ain't school that's sardines can

[simple knoll]

American public school of choice baby

we got students from fucking everywhere

[fresh mulch]

dont remove the 'from'

[left hinge]

Honestly fair but 1200 is wild

[simple knoll]

my graduating class was 300-ish

[left hinge]

Hell
Not even my Uni alumni that much

[simple knoll]

surprisingly not a lot of sex happening... inside the school anyway

lots of weed and vaping though

[fresh mulch]

yeah thats more a college thing

[simple knoll]

weed is legal here so... well it's not legal for people under 21 but it's easy to get I mean

[fresh mulch]

im running out of persona 5 yuri gifs

https://tenor.com/view/ann-ann-takamaki-persona-persona-5-persona-5-dancing-gif-15510596229638107261

have the goat

rate the mental image

[left hinge]

Guess u can say they are not fucken around

[uncut depot]

pass it on the way to rooftop while hideout is there :V

[fresh mulch]

imagine not teleporting

[left hinge]

I mean there not much to do at school aside getting speed reader from library lmao

[fresh mulch]

at least it does make sense considering the circumstances. having shujin be a fun place to explore would undermine a bit the narrative, so not have a reason to be there works. and royal at least has maruki for slightly more shujin screentime

[fresh mulch]

this reminds me that i'd like to have one or two fem costumes for this jonkle in the future

but not a priority whatsoever ~~unless someone wants to make me one ~~

anyway i just finished recording all the way up to ann's awakening, so now we only have the foreplay the preparation before entering the palace by visiting takemi and iwai

the vid is almost done

i do think i'd want to have the shadow ann event in its entirety in video form by the time i make the page as well, but that should be quick now

this is just the prologue...

[weary rapids]

what is in there

[simple knoll]

my model mod is about that size I think

it compresses to like 200 mb

[fresh mulch]

videos

[uncut depot]

does p5d crossdressing count

[fresh mulch]

custom ones i mean

tomorrow i'm gonna lock the fuck in

[grand cipher]

make a mod that lets me and I will, Ann.

[fresh mulch]

hmmm before i go to sleep...

multioption

feel free to shipwar here 😈

[grand cipher]

That one is one I will not vote on. TwT

[fresh mulch]

unbased

[uncut depot]

uhh i cant decide

[fresh mulch]

pick all of them

[uncut depot]

aspec being asked their favorite ship moment

[fresh mulch]

ajda representing the wife with the futabann

[grand cipher]

also why is most of the options futaba...if I even have to ask....ATLUS..

[fresh mulch]

they are every possible option. there's 4 of each

[grand cipher]

o

[left hinge]

Ann Sumi probably the silliest onr

[simple knoll]

makoharu, shihoann, and sumitaba really are the only lesbian ships i like

[grand cipher]

atleast for sumitaba we got a scene (if you wanna call it that) in royal

[simple knoll]

a single one lol

i don't usually like ships with very little interaction, whic is why i don't really ship sumitaba very much. just kinda like "yeah it's fine"

[grand cipher]

better then no scene.
Strikers I wouldn't call it a scene

[uncut depot]

thats kinda me with like every sumire ship im afraid

[simple knoll]

i mean shusumi is my favorite straight joker ship

[grand cipher]

shusmi? Who are the people? Sumi and who?

[lunar vector]

joker ship

[uncut depot]

shusumi is alright
theres enough there that im like "sure ok"

[grand cipher]

I don't get the Shu part tho

[lunar vector]

From the word for protagonist.

Shuharu is my favorite straight Joker ship... but I mostly prefer it as unrequited angst 😈

(sorry, Haru... I promise it's my faves I like to see suffer the most 😅)

[simple knoll]

word for protagonist in japanese is shujinku

[uncut depot]

*shujinkou you did it again

[simple knoll]

FUCK

[grand cipher]

Ah, I did not know that, thx

[simple knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-gif-4169442390448293969

[strong moat]

actually, joker's canon name is shu. he's actually that one social link from P4G. it's true, I talked to hashino about it the other day

[quiet prism]

Poly Yuri Thieves!

[simple knoll]

yusuke and ryuji can date each other in sadness

[tawdry plover]

i did not expect my favorite yuri ship to be so liked

[fresh mulch]

Good thing that i'll be adding more interactions and chemistry to the ones im making real

[fresh mulch]

The only correct option

[quiet prism]

You know there's a FanFiction on AO3 but has poly Yuri Thieves. The only issue is the content kind of makes it a little iffy to link it. So I'll just say the name and you can decide on your own, it is the tricksters of lust

[fresh mulch]

'Lust' hmmm i wonder what iffy content you are talking about || ||

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[fresh mulch]

so true bestie

[fresh mulch]

i think mako sumi is sillier honestly

ann sumi has a nice aesthetic tho ||also the two best girls together ||

[weary rapids]

So true

[fresh mulch]

butch to butch communication

||takemi could ruin me and i'd thank her for it ||

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/annsumi-sumiann-persona-yuri-sumire-yoshizawa-gif-15794352034511118338

shipping doesnt have to make sense

[left hinge]

shipping is all for the vibe

[fresh mulch]

specially when you can just write it to make sense. who said shipping has to follow canon

excuse me

[weary rapids]

Ann both here and the R&Vverse wants to be with the Yoshizawa idk what to tell you

[fresh mulch]

they should kiss

[weary rapids]

Very true

[fresh mulch]

the video is 4 hours long...

🍿

[weary rapids]

Can I have some

[uncut depot]

alright, then give me a way to justify sumitaba to myself

[fresh mulch]

dont worry i'll give multiple reasons for them to shag i mean kiss wholesomely

[sharp yoke]

"wholesomely"

hehehe

[sullen drift]

I think a lot of slinks in p3-5 would have been more interesting if ranks 8-10 would have hints to that person’s romantic crush and eventual lover if you the protag didn’t want to romance them. Like say, if Kotone doesn’t romance Yukari she starts talking about how “Now that I have resolved things with Mitsuru… um.. I think I might even like her more than friends?” or even if it was something that happened off screen with the slinks you did not date and they just indicated they had a crush. I would love that.

[fresh mulch]

persona always had a problem with its playercentric design at times. p5 is the worst example of this

[sullen drift]

Amen. I adore P3. I mean I was shocked that Aigis had such a emotional and earnest Friendship speech if you don’t date her in her rank 9 or rank 10. But your protag is still borderline silent so being player centric is pretty weird. It’s actually why The P3 plays are a masterpiece(Kotone has so so much character and depth) and why I like the P5 plays but they are not as wonderful(Joker gets more but they keep his character as it is in the game)

and Kotone got a lot more character then a Persona protag often gets in the first place I feel

[uncut depot]

iirc when p3 was new the thinking was of course the other characters have different faces in different contexts, everyone has multiple facets like you do, the one is just the one you see
though diegetically that still raises the question of why are you the only one who can conjure multiple of your faces in a fight which necessitates the answer of "youre philemons specialest boy"

[fresh mulch]

yeah the idea that only the protag can have multiple personas straight up makes no sense and feels more for power fantasy's sake honestly

it throws the philosophical basis for the series out of the window

[sullen drift]

Yukari would definitely be able to conjure multiple personas. And in part 1 of p3 they would all be terrifying.

[sullen drift]

This. Ann would conjure Isis, Hathor… and then…

Sekhmet would show up and scare the shit out of everyone

<—Egyptian pagan

[uncut depot]

something funny is iirc the protags consistently place higher in asian character polls than like western ones because apparently players in collectivist cultures super want to be the ultimate social butterfly
which i mean as far as power fantasies go i dont think is like...exclusive to them, but. ok i started on a tangent about comparing with western individualist power fantasies but then i realized i didnt rly know where i was going with it

[fresh mulch]

no wonder anime male mcs are all so bad

4 hours and 15 minutes

[uncut depot]

(if im to take ladyvirgilias word on it (she is japanese-american) part of it is the self already being seen as a more mutable and less deified thing than how eg. white americans see it)

(though obv cultures do not exist isolated from one another so)

[worthy sage]

you did an amazing job on this

[fresh mulch]

i know

[worthy sage]

i have to imagine the pain of getting the files and shit to work

[uncut depot]

(still i feel like someone smarter than me has something to unpack about that vs how western players prefer either fully customizable player character homunculi or player characters being fully-realized characters)

(then again i feel like people dont have this line of complaint about like. link, or maybe it just floated past me like a boat in the night)

[simple knoll]

idk i like having the character be their own character

customizable characters are boring to me

[uncut depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNUlw_KG6BA

[fresh mulch]

i generally prefer protagonists set in stone

one problem is when the 'character' protagonist is just a self insert anyway

at this point at least let the player use a femc version too

[fresh mulch]

razbuten my beloved

[uncut depot]

like, persona protags definitely do have character traits if youre paying attention, but its hard to really get the full narrative value out of that when they also have to be a relative blank that the player can imagine themself as

[weary rapids]

Or when the self insert gets so much special treatment like know things they shouldn’t, take more screen time than the actual protagonist

Yes I was being forced to watch RWBY

[simple knoll]

i hate arguing with people that think the persona protagonistshave no personality

[fresh mulch]

one thing to help is at least have way more stuff that the character does by themselves without needing to press a button

like when joker stops ryuji from punching kamoshida

its the small stuff

[weary rapids]

Shouldn’t they also have arcs like the other characters?

They are just there

[fresh mulch]

p1 - emo twink
p2 - emo twink
p3 - emo twink
p4 - twunk
p5 - emo twink
||/s||

[uncut depot]

like. i was playing cat cafe manager a while back because ive had cat cafes on the brain lately and the player character being purely just a homunculus didnt even really factor in my experience, i think because i was engaging with it as a homunculus and didnt really have an expectation of them being otherwise. if they could be said to have a character, it would be "me if i owned a cat cafe and also had useful life skills instead of executive dysfunction"
so like i dont think theres no place in games for empty player homunculi that exist so you can pretend to be them, but i dont know that its a fit for strongly narrative-driven ones like purse owner

[simple knoll]

I like the games where you don't even have a character like neko atsume

no human just cat

[uncut depot]

(actually as an aside, i actually did make an effort in p5r to mentally construct a fleshed out version of ren and play as him because it seemed fun, though this was after my og p5 playthrough where i just sorta did whatever seemed interesting)

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/akechi-goro-goro-akechi-morgana-mona-persona-5-gif-549275535634108891

cat

[simple knoll]

(I just do what I want. Akira is at my wims)

no Akira you WILL be hanging out with chihaya for the 4th day in a row

[fresh mulch]

she's best girl

[simple knoll]

idc about chihaya I just want her rank 5 ability

[uncut depot]

like in p5 i took the evil bait dialogue before shido fight because it seemed interesting in the moment, but not in p5r because ren hated shidos ass lmao

[fresh mulch]

everything is perfect except the end because i cant fucking figure out how fadeout and fadein work

its soooo confusing

[uncut depot]

(although maybe i should say dirk because in both i named him after dirk from homestuck :V)

[fresh mulch]

fadein apparently is black > normal?

idk anymore

yugioh cards be like

[fresh mulch]

which one is that

[uncut depot]

ok looking at it again i mightve just autism momented both times, i havent watched the event proper in a while

unless this changed between og and royal

wait

ok i missed the line at the bottom, i remember it playing if you take option 2 but got confused cus it wasnt directly under the sel

[fresh mulch]

dangerous elements

like fire?

[uncut depot]

so yeah, not autism moment, the game expects you to read it the way i read it

i think i was curious about it because i was curious about the handful of bits where the game toys with the idea of morally gray pts

[fresh mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14-X1asSVkI

still have to do the thumbnail and the mod page before i make this public

yall can skip to any changes by going whenever there's brightass pink in the preview

i'll be taking a lil break but feel free to bother me

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah. while this is still ways away, might as well...

anything i should keep in mind while writing trans!futaba?

[uncut depot]

in what way

[fresh mulch]

idk

honestly anything you can think of

both the big and small things matter

[uncut depot]

uhh when does her egg crack

[fresh mulch]

yes

good question

pre mom death or post mom death

also there's the thing with the negligent uncle

[uncut depot]

i mean she basically looks like herself in the puzzles but i guess that doesnt necessarily imply she was out since theyre certainly not 1:1 with physical reality at the time (nor was actual ancient egyptian art ofc)

[fresh mulch]

i have been debating on whether it would make sense to retexture the puzzles

if her egg was not cracked before, you could make a case for either option

[uncut depot]

shes dressed as her shadow in those paintings which already is not how she actually looked, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fresh mulch]

oh true i forgot about that

coming up with a good timeline for this is difficult

[uncut depot]

is cognitive wakaba gonna become transphobic

[fresh mulch]

i have been actually thinking about that

cognitive wakaba is basically her sense of guilt over her mother's death that feeds into her self-loathing

specially if she's still figuring herself out while going through this, i can easily see her internalized transphobia mixing with that

[uncut depot]

the dialogue prompts in that fight are already basically unfiltered authoritarian parent beliefs which tbh tends to be the thing underlying transphobia toward children when you strip away the bad faith panic about medical transition methods and assumption that children are incapable of self-knowledge...so...

[fresh mulch]

one problem is that in this case it wouldn't make sense for her to be screaming 'futaba', so i guess those voicelines just vanish?

just now realized, but being under the abusive uncle right after losing her mom def fucked her sense of selfworth even more than it was already fucked

[uncut depot]

she got bounced around relatives, plural, iirc?

[fresh mulch]

thats not much better tbh

[uncut depot]

i know

youji was just the last of those although i assume from the fact that it kept happening that none of them were great caretakers

[unborn sonnet]

Sojiro said she wasn't allowed to bathe often and he made her sleep on the floor. Its totally understandable why she became a shut in honestly..

[fresh mulch]

yeah. no way this guy will call futaba 'she' honestly

[uncut depot]

if we are being fr, the implication that they all fucking sucked makes me wonder. like, im almost tempted to put on my umifuller hat imagining what the fuck kinda generational curse they had going on there
youji had an inferiority complex to his sister that led to a gambling addiction, that doesnt just happen out of nowhere

[fresh mulch]

the generation curse is that they are all gamers

even futaba got infected

out of context

[sharp yoke]

From what I remember, the entire cast were a Wild Card was solely because of Philemon.

[fresh mulch]

philemon playing favorites in p3 ownwards smh

[sharp yoke]

Gotta blame big nose Igor for that

[fresh mulch]

true...

[sharp yoke]

I think, its because of the MC's being the embodiement of the number 0 and emptyy inside (as that's the whole gimmick of the Wild Card). They have more of the potential to be so. As ofc Igor doesn't have as much power and freedom to grant them that

Though I do agree that I wish everyone could use multiple Personas, as that can give a lot more variety/borderline infinite in the gameplay loop

[fresh mulch]

honestly they dont even need to have the protagonist's amount of possible personas

even something like having different limited masks they can switch between would make stuff more interesting

its so weird having the "Persona" option grayed out for party members when playing p3p, almost as if that could be an option later on

holdover from previous ui ig. i dont remember if p4 does the same

[sharp yoke]

It's why Persona Q was unique, cause you can have any Party member have any Persona

[fresh mulch]

technically

its a weird equip thing, but hey its still more interesting

[uncut depot]

meanwhile actual equipment being kinda pointless tbh

[fresh mulch]

i should probably femulator this

compiling every tiny change is totes not annoying at all

why does joker look so goofy

its specially bad in the prerendered cutscenes

same energy

[uncut depot]

yeah i would generally use emulator for the majority of things lol
besides not having to compile every time, its also inherently more compatible

[worthy sage]

he's just silly like that

goofy boy

[fresh mulch]

well, compatibility is not the priority here at all. but yeah i'll remember to fix this whenever im working back and forth on an old file

no way im doing for every old file. thats a major time sink

🧍‍♀️

[fresh mulch]

i dont think it likes imports very much

must be folder shenanigans

[fresh mulch]

makoharu a close second

annmakoto and annsumi tied for third

the people want sumitaba 😈

[simple knoll]

but i want shusumi more :,)

[uncut depot]

what are you importing this into...

[lunar vector]

I feel like it makes the most sense for Wakaba to have been on board, tbh. Like, transitioning this young would need it, and Wakaba seems like she would have been non-traditional enough to have been proactive about helping Futaba transition. The tension could come more from Futaba fearing that supporting her to such an extent took a toll... and that'd be pretty consistent with what vanilla already shows us.

||Also Wakaba is my true P5 waifu so I like portraying her positively lol||

[sharp yoke]

ALL OF THEM

Period

[strong moat]

I think it is best practice to try to make your mods as compatible with others as possible even if I know that's not the stated goal of your mod

I am a little surprised you weren't already using emulator though. besides the point on compatibility it think it's a lot more convenient

being able to entirely skip the compilation step is really awesome

[uncut depot]

yeah, even for stuff like translations where youre replacing basically all text anyway merging leaves open the option of smaller additional stuff like drink select instead of someone having to basically make an entire alternate version of the kichijoji fhit bf if they want both at once (let alone anything else that edits the same bf in addition)

[uncut depot]

in fairness wrt to events evtui does not properly handle merging atm but otherwise i dont think theres rly reason not to unless you hit the edge case of needing to force a message index

[fresh mulch]

I was mostly using it for text changes tbh

[fresh mulch]

The ai

[fresh mulch]

Good point...

[fresh mulch]

Why not both? Sumi has two hands

[uncut depot]

i mean like. the file name
cus assuming its the bf of the same name, it kinda looks like youre importing your flow file into itself??

[fresh mulch]

No? That's the battle's flow. Its just a copy I'm importing so i can access its stuff within the ai itself

[fresh mulch]

Reminds me that I should try it with the negotiation scripts. Editing 11 different files with 1:1 logic aside from the question points was really annoying. And i'm still not done with them

[weary rapids]

She have everyone

She doesn’t leave people behind

[fresh mulch]

Hmm I've been thinking of a new mechanic... 😈

It'll be better to just show it. But it might be more divisive than limited quick travel

[quiet prism]

I know it was meant for the vanilla game in the event you got 100% security rating and had to be kicked out. But I still use the old open the shortcut method and go through it when I'm doing the final infiltration. Feels much more narratively concise then just warping to the final safe room and entering the boss room (stupid autocorrect for speech to text)

[fresh mulch]

yeah the warping is disabled for the infiltration day here

stealthing around to the treasure is kinda fun honestly

[unborn sonnet]

I keep rewatching these cause I think theyre so cool - and I just now realized as well that Ann's PT outfit could be interpreted as like her having a crush on the villain her outfit is based off of. Like the moment she "knew". I feel like Ann being lesbian is more canon than her being straight 😭 everything lines up

[fresh mulch]

i actually will have her say something like that

[unborn sonnet]

All super cool! I cant wait to get to see more done here

[fresh mulch]

🤓 reunion

[left hinge]

2 silly

[sharp yoke]

Oh yes

Glasses Gang

[fresh mulch]

if they kiss would their glasses clink? 🤔

[sharp yoke]

Maybe

Would love to see them with Ren and Maruki, eating hot bento and all four of their glasses fogged up

[left hinge]

newly open hot pot

[fresh mulch]

queen shit

okay now im gonna lock tf in

[simple knoll]

what did she mean by this

[fresh mulch]

🤨 ❓

very isightful comments

https://youtu.be/3oehFZf2-SI

wtf wdym this is not a persona 4 music

btw anyone has good suggestions for the music for the yaldabaoth fight?

[fresh mulch]

holy shit i think i'm done with the shadow ann fight

[simple knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-cat-plink-cat-gif-1794292671885121408

why is this not working

[quiet prism]

I know we've already discussed this to length, well you guys did I wasn't participating, but considering their childhood friends status even though nothing comes with it I think and would have done better with something sarcastic rather than calling out Ryuji would be like "wanna take a picture." Which let them catch himself as well as doing his famous foot in mouth by saying the camera wouldn't work anyway. Depending on your interpretation, if you're a hetew person, they're kinda couple-y, but in this case they'd be more like siblings, teasing one another. My opinion of course. Heck even that Hawaii scene can be seen as a big sister educating little brother kind of thing

[fresh mulch]

@quiet prism talking about this...?

im kinda lost

[quiet prism]

Yeah that's the one.. sorry I didn't link

[fresh mulch]

i mean, any other time sure

but right now ann is not in the best headspace

1 - her best friend (and crush here) has just been sexually assaulted
2 - she is still uncomfortable with that outfit because this is right after her awakening, so she didnt have time for it

[quiet prism]

You're right that's fair.

I kind of made it as an attempt for her to try to make things a little more Levy but falling flat

[fresh mulch]

plus, i still think that ann's reaction to ryuji's leering in canon is still a bit weird anyway? this is coming from a woman

[quiet prism]

Well I got no arguments against that one.

[fresh mulch]

ann's more playful side will be explored a bit after this. right now she's a mess tbh

[quiet prism]

🫡

[fresh mulch]

but yeah she's a model, so she's def more used to this and can more easily laugh it off compared to, say, someone like futaba. this is just her being not in the mood for playfulness

the original writing could've gone in any direction but making her clueless to what ryuji was doing. thats just an assassination to her character and experiences no matter how you slice it

[quiet prism]

You know under any other circumstances that you could have foretold how little she sees Ryuji at the romantic partner, but you're right placing it there was rookie writing mistake

[fresh mulch]

i think they were more focused on making a gag that they forgot the timing of the story

happens all the time with ann actually

anyway, thanks for your thoughts

[quiet prism]

Explains why her Confidant is one of the weakest among the Phantom thieves. And usually the first to get rewritten among rehashes of the story

[fresh mulch]

the flags are not turning off correctly for some reason

[strong moat]

P1 PSP really made an effort to sound like P3/4 rather than trying to preserve the original P1 atmosphere 💀

but at least it's good music for P3/4 mods lol

[fresh mulch]

[grand cipher]

Demiurge Phase 2?

[fresh mulch]

i might be a bit sick of that music due to hearing it on repeat for so long while hurting my finger...

[grand cipher]

This sounds pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUjcsNDVCLc&list=RDIUjcsNDVCLc&start_radio=1

[fresh mulch]

i was actually thinking of having both versions of pandora for the maruki fight honestly

[grand cipher]

thats a good idea

Oh speaking of which, can't wait to see what you do with Phase 2 maruki (since adam is hardcoded af)

[fresh mulch]

scrap that shit

[lunar vector]

Omg??

Huge swing to fully scrap a final boss phase, lmfao. Love that.

[fresh mulch]

is it even a phase?

i think it counts more like a cutscene you press buttons tbh

[lunar vector]

Narratively, I suppose.

It's a victory lap 😅

[fresh mulch]

i just want to finish this

dont ask me where the sound went i have no idea

[grand cipher]

I THINK adam is counted as a seperate boss battle alltogether

[fresh mulch]

yes its a different encounter

[weary rapids]

How strong are these things

[grand cipher]

looking at the clips, Shadow Ann and the witches are pretty fricken strong.

[weary rapids]

What level are they

[grand cipher]

idk, it doesn't say

[weary rapids]

I thought bosses dont say their levels

[grand cipher]

it doesn't show. -w-

But girl knows the answer

[weary rapids]

I need to know cuz this looks nearly impossible

[left hinge]

I just notice.
U telling me technically we can use each other weapon ?

[weary rapids]

I just noticed that

[grand cipher]

joker would look a little out of place unless it's custom animations so it works for all weapons.
Joker meleeing with a axe like that.

[weary rapids]

Rei is just built different

[fresh mulch]

well, not having a weakness out helps

there is a cycle so with enough trial and error (or looking at the sheets) you can at least get an idea of when someone is gonna use what

[fresh mulch]

chances are that queen will just be punching with a weapon tbh

im not finding a way to include custom animations for this

[fresh mulch]

||queen shit ||

[fresh mulch]

shadow ann is level 6 and the maidens are level 4

the good ol suck and munch

i'll probably make the archangel boss fight not too difficult. helps that it'll be weak to curse, and that costs hp instead of sp (you'll barely have anything left )

[grand cipher]

jeez 7000 hp and we ain't even at kamoshida yet

[sharp yoke]

Oh you Know...

[fresh mulch]

you win when her hp is below 33% and the adds are dead

so technically 4,690 hp (nice)

[uncut depot]

lol

[fresh mulch]

going back to my video folder is always quite a whiplash

[grand cipher]

atleast you name yours

[worthy sage]

woke ryuji is my favorite

[fresh mulch]

.mov

[grand cipher]

kamoshida bitch.

bitch feet

[fresh mulch]

be ready for lesbian angst in HD 🔥

[sharp yoke]

"bitch powers"

[simple knoll]

hell yeah

you gonna release on gamebanana too?

i wanna play...

[fresh mulch]

yes

but i have to finish kamoshida's palace first before any demos

this should be the last big thing tho. the will seed flashbacks honestly aren't gonna be so bad

[fresh mulch]

thanks to ajda

[quiet prism]

Ooh. I've always wanted to see them added in. It's always my belief that a reason is not an excuse nor an excuse or reason. And to understand the criminal does not mean to mitigate or decreases guilt but rather understand what caused them to enter that mind space and hopefully stop others from doing so as well

[uncut depot]

oh right i was gonna refactor the royal restoration config

[fresh mulch]

well, regardless, for a game all about rebellion, not hammering the structural problems that can lead to the palace rulers is a big flaw imo

[quiet prism]

They made up for it in Strikers, but it was definitely a miss for them to not put it in

[fresh mulch]

with kamoshida they do show in the story itself that the reason he has this much power is because the institution bends backwards for him

but then the other villains were shown in a more 'beat them fix the issue' light

focusing on individual evil is the biggest mistake p5 did

[quiet prism]

No kidding I mean think about Kamoshida in the cut version but you can find on Faz's YT channel. It showed that Kamoshida was a pretty shy dude and got way to Handy with his girlfriend, a foreshadowing of his potential maybe or maybe he was still a virgin because outside of volleyball he wasn't exactly going to be bringing in the ladies but in the end because his sponsors decided to cover for him, well it pushed him into the path of a monster. There's no doubt his crimes are his own of course not, but now there's too many what ifs. But then again I think that's why they excluded it. Despite the game meaning to show the nuance between Rebellion and anarchy they decided to make it a little more white and black

[fresh mulch]

one thing i do quite like is how yaldy is only this powerful because the people literally give him his power. they actually tackle 'society is at fault' for with him at least

but the handling of shido is the most coward shit i've ever seen

[grand cipher]

kinda wonder what their plan was after we changed his heart.
"We will carry his torch". So basically just do what they were doing but without shido?

[fresh mulch]

well, harmful ideologies dont end up vanishing once its figurehead goes behind bars

it just gets a new cult leader

ocean it has been 84 years

[uncut depot]

i get what ur getting at but tbh apart from kaneshiro, like...no?
kawanabe in yusukes confidant tempts him with a transparently exploitative deal and later they have a conversation about how they dont want people to be exploited again on account of the allure of money (ie. the relationship between art and capitalism)
haru in her confidant understandably feels like she does not have allies in her fathers company, and even when she finds one in takakura he acknowledges that theyre up against the problem of shareholder primacy
sae has her redemption arc and siu director fucking dies but the latters replacement is clearly just as corrupt and they actively try to stop sae from building a case against someone who is very clearly guilty to cover their own asses
i find the fact that you single shido out and then praise depths genuinely bewildering tbh, since the whole point of the transition from shido to depths is that he cant be held to account without public pressure basically forcing the legal system to do so, and the conspiracy is actively manipulating the media to try and prevent that public pressure from manifesting. the conspiracy doesnt cease to exist when he is prosecuted either, theyre on thinner ice bc their biggest hitter is behind bars but still have enough power to cause the plot of strikers

[simple knoll]

i don't think the willseed flashbacks are meant to make you sympathize with the palace rulers. i think it's just trying to show how and why people become corrupted. people aren't born evil. that's one of the underlying themes kind of specific to royal i think got kind of buried when they trashed the will seed flashbacks. i found that a lot of the palace rulers felt kind of like "ahah royally evil" without much explanation for their behavior

[fresh mulch]

yknow what fair

i guess when i focus on the presentation im more so thinking through the perspective of the target audience. p5 is so unsubtle with a lot of its plot that i genuinely think it makes the unsaid more easily ignored by the audience, due to how they are primed by the story itself in how to read it

[simple knoll]

i think it's funny that we saw people like "meh, who cares if shido's a bad guy" sweats thinking about a certain real life figure and then the solution was "let's destroy the collective unconcious" lmao, then everything is solved. idk how i'd fix it that just felt weird to me too

[fresh mulch]

what i do find weird is the satanael bit in the end

[simple knoll]

i also don't like the idea of them destroying mementos. i would've prefered "we're destroying our way into mementos" since if yaldy is dead, then they can't go into mementos

bc like. the collective unconcious should always be there

[uncut depot]

it is tho, they retconned it to justify you going into mementos during third sem

[simple knoll]

that made me laugh my ass off lmao like

i was like "SEE? SEE? YOUR WRITING IS SHIT" /lh

[uncut depot]

"peRSonA UsErS canT HavE PalaCES!!"

[fresh mulch]

maruki is a fursona user its different

[simple knoll]

anyway i'm glad they kind of retconned that. i can see why morgana thinks taking the treasure will destroy mementos, but ofc he doesn't know that treasure is yaldy

[uncut depot]

cat misinfo

[simple knoll]

that cat provides a lot of misinfo

[fresh mulch]

its almost as if it has amnesia

[simple knoll]

and i love how we get one "that's not supposed to happeen!" from morgana in regards to this, and the game refuses to elaborate

[fresh mulch]

morgana's amnesia only remembers whats plot relevant

[simple knoll]

and now we have peple (including me) still thinking "you can't have palace if persona"

i'm a subscriber to "palace before persona" but ye

i think a persona shielding you from distortion is silly

like in p4 i think teddie says you have to maintain your persona (unless i'm misremembering) and i wish it was like that

[fresh mulch]

they could've just made Azathoth a yaldy-like thing instead of a persona, kadmon could've been a persona since the palace is fucking falling apart by then anyway

[simple knoll]

i'm pretty sure azathoth/adam kadmon kind of is

[fresh mulch]

then why make it a persona too

[simple knoll]

idk, ask atlus

[fresh mulch]

"fuck it. its cool" atlas

[simple knoll]

i always thought it was kind of like, it just attached to maruki's desire

whatever this demiurge is

[fresh mulch]

i think maruki just has a thing for tentacles

[uncut depot]

would be easier to just not have the fuckass nonrule in the first place

[fresh mulch]

but then akechi

[simple knoll]

all personas come from the sea of souls, so they are their own thing, they just attach to people when they call for them

[fresh mulch]

what does the sea of souls taste like

[uncut depot]

akechi doesnt have it because shut up B)

[simple knoll]

like sea salt icecream from kh

i don't think akechi was necessarily distorted... that's my hot take

even though morgana says so but we already established the cat gives misinfo

[fresh mulch]

morgana is a pussy

[uncut depot]

haha i geddit

[fresh mulch]

this is painful

[simple knoll]

akechi wasn't distorted because his view of the world was fine. he simply had a very, very set and strict goal

[fresh mulch]

kiss ren?

[simple knoll]

not to say akechi didn't have other problems not relating to his cognition...

he has major personality issues

which has been proven not to really work with cognitive behavioral therapy because well.. it's not really cognitive

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/dad-coraline-work-gif-18503813

its past midnight

[simple knoll]

pussy

i stay up until 4 sometimes

[uncut depot]

no cbt

[fresh mulch]

this is not healthy

[uncut depot]

i put aside the ramble i started on just for that joke

[simple knoll]

i didn't want to say cbt bc i KNEW someone would make a joke

[fresh mulch]

cbt would totes work on akechi tho
not the therapy one

[simple knoll]

anyway yes ocean cluster b akech is real

[simple knoll]

bottom akechi truthers wya

[uncut depot]

the bottom in akeshu is whichever seems funnier to me in the moment B)

[simple knoll]

i like bottom joker in certain situations but in my own works akechi wil lalways be bottom

[fresh mulch]

alexa remind me tomorrow to watch that video

[simple knoll]

there's plenty of psychoanalyzing akechi videos that determine he probably has a cluster b disorder

[uncut depot]

i do not generally care to think about that stuff tbh unless i am actively writing smut, because your preference has about as little to do with your general personality as your favorite color does

[simple knoll]

i would cross off antisocial personality disorder but others would disagree

[uncut depot]

exception is that this thread has convinced me of dom ann

[simple knoll]

i've said before i armchair diagnose akech iwith borderline personality disorder

[fresh mulch]

i dont write smut often but my mind likes idling on pointless shit so i do care

[fresh mulch]

isnt her whole metaverse thing dom?

[simple knoll]

ok i just had a cool thought... dissociative identity disorder akechi au

i was thinking about how a lot of people with did have bpd too and then i was like oooo\

[uncut depot]

(tbh i dont think i rly commit to a particular top/bottom even if i am writing smut. i just think of acts that are hot and have the characters do them )

[fresh mulch]

'ann fans' when ann is not a passive waifu and would totally use the whip in bed

pussies

[simple knoll]

i pretty much imagine it like "detective prince" is one personality and then black mask is the other then maybe third semester akechi aka "real" akechi or the first personality

usually people with did have a personality that holds all their trauma and i can see that being the black mask one

sorry i began yapping

[fresh mulch]

please yap

~~it increases the thread message count ~~

[simple knoll]

greedy

has this reached the same count as royal restoration yet

oh it's pretty close

royal restoration has 5k

it doesn't help that italk like this, in multiple messages

[fresh mulch]

wait until the mod page

[simple knoll]

you'll never beat rose and violet

it has 39k

but i think it's the most popular story overhaul

probably because it's the only fisnished one lol

[uncut depot]

my brain is still circling around akechi protag ideas smh

[fresh mulch]

i have no idea what happens in rose and violet

[simple knoll]

real kasumi and sumire

basically was finished quickly because it didn't need a second character replacement after kasumi as protag came out

[fresh mulch]

kasumi real???????

[simple knoll]

my own story overhaul is waiting for joker over sumire to be finished

[fresh mulch]

is jonkle dead instead

[simple knoll]

no just not there

[fresh mulch]

wtf happens in the third semester

[simple knoll]

play to find out

[fresh mulch]

nu uh

[simple knoll]

ok fine

[fresh mulch]

wtf the black border is slightly transparent

[simple knoll]

||sumire wants to be like kasumi instead.||

[uncut depot]

im mildly curious but i know my ass would not actually get around to doing that playthrough even if i told myself to lol

[fresh mulch]

im too busy writing ann and shiho kissing

cant play games

[simple knoll]

i was waiting for rose and violet pretty much as soon as kasumi as portagonist was announced 3 years ago

weird to think 3 years ago i was a wee baby sophmore

[fresh mulch]

im a baby gay

[simple knoll]

when are you adult gay

[fresh mulch]

when you pay taxes

[simple knoll]

i've already paid taxes

when i was a teenager actually

wait you haven't

bro's baby...

[fresh mulch]

you paid taxes as a teenager?

[simple knoll]

yeah you have to pay income taxes

if you have a part time job you paid taxes

[uncut depot]

3 years ago i was...still already an adult but with no cat and partner

[fresh mulch]

no pussy?

[fresh mulch]

imagine having a job

[strong moat]

well.... ok what I've noticed is that for whatever reason these threads just turn into people yapping about whatever and also begging for tech support and asking the same questions over and over again

and not using #1045463162452987924 for things that are clearly not related to the mod

[simple knoll]

yeah it's devolved into a group chat of rose and violet players

[uncut depot]

well we have the yapping part down

[simple knoll]

i mute that thread frequently

[fresh mulch]

nah nah you see this is is totally useful for the writing of the mod

[strong moat]

I followed for a while but I've stopped really reading it bc no one really talks about the mod anymore

[simple knoll]

i can't leave because i'm a developer of 3 different r&v addon mods so...

[strong moat]

which y'know I follow threads to read about the mod so if no one is talking about it

yes I could actively moderate it but that seems like too much trouble when the developers seem ok with it lol

[fresh mulch]

tbf i still dont have anything out

[simple knoll]

i have my own thread for r&v romance but not a lot of people use it

i think i've tried before to tell people to be on topic but i just stopped at some point

[strong moat]

ultimately I try to respect the wishes of the developers in their threads unless it blatantly breaks server rules

[simple knoll]

tbf not a lot of people know i made those. i've had people talk about r&v male romance and red rose to my face and not realize i made them

[uncut depot]

ive had the idle thought of like a tech support faq thats pinned in a games respective user-help thread though idk how itd work out

[strong moat]

wdym?

[fresh mulch]

what do they say

man im not spending more time on this thumbnail this is good enough

where do i put the red arrow and circle

https://youtu.be/J1YZhOuFiiQ

its finally over im free (nevermind that i still need proper animations for hecate at least)

dont tell me i cant edit the images in the op

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sumitaba-futaba-futaba-sakura-persona-5-sumire-yoshizawa-gif-2437572229317733011

Good morning

[fresh mulch]

💬

[weary rapids]

He’s a sleeping kitty

[fresh mulch]

wtf what are the odds

[quiet prism]

Wow. I've never seen a roll that bad before

[fresh mulch]

omg im finally getting to the part i've been planning for so long. and it was way easier than i thought

obviously, the sojiro event in the middle of the video is just a placeholder event

i'll have it be an event where the pts are talking at the entrance, catching up with the shadow ann stuff, and then joker gets called by justine for the persona trait unlock

[grand cipher]

Gotta wonder

If your the person getting hit by it, how scary the instakill skills are.

By luck you either dodge or just drop dead. The curse ones are also scary, like the voodoo doll

[quiet prism]

Putting traits in early huh. That actually makes sense, if you're going to introduce new mechanics don't do it piecemeal. Make it so that we care about these trades before we start already having like 5% of the compendium completed

[fresh mulch]

😈

no easy grind for u

[strong moat]

skill issue

[sharp yoke]

This is why, i fuckin DESPISE insta-kill spells. And ALWAYS change them to be damage spells

Just bullshit RNG

[fresh mulch]

skill issue

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sumitaba-persona-5-gif-17725617797048215706

[sharp yoke]

Just show ALL the girls

 kiss

[grand cipher]

half on one side and the other half on the other?

[sharp yoke]

Yes sir

[fresh mulch]

did it

[grand cipher]

then there's three on one side and two....

what does the third one kiss?

[fresh mulch]

they all kiss each other duh

[unborn sonnet]

now we need a genderbent goro (jk but she would be so cute)

[grand cipher]

that artwork is actually pretty fricken good

[unborn sonnet]

dominodamsel at tumblr if youre interested! they have other sketches/doodles of p5r and genderbent goro

[fresh mulch]

toxic doomed yuri shuake sounds tempting ngl

[unborn sonnet]

heres another lol

[fresh mulch]

but im keeping him a guy here

[lunar vector]

A good half of the Shuake posts on tumblr are genderbent while barely changing the designs at all. It rules

[fresh mulch]

ajda pin pls 😈

[fresh mulch]

🔥

[grand cipher]

How come femc doesn't have a face?

[fresh mulch]

only 3 out of 7 pins is not a shitpost

balanced as it should be

[unborn sonnet]

I really love it! Shuake trumps all

[unborn sonnet]

thats a great question lol

[left hinge]

It's goofier that way honestly

[grand cipher]

looks like they're wearing a mask with glasses

[uncut depot]

the thought of genderswapped akechi with the shitty dad staying the same scares me tbh 😰

[left hinge]

If anything it sound worst

I'm talking the position akechi would be in

[uncut depot]

yes, exactly

[left hinge]

Abusive father to a kid is one thing
To a daughter that is another

[uncut depot]

its shitty regardless of the kids gender, i mean more the fact that uh. the shitty dad is already canonically a guy who is introduced attempting a sex crime under the shield of his power

[left hinge]

I know I'm just saying how more fucked up it is knowing his history

[simple knoll]

I feel weird about y'all saying this considering I (was) a girl with a shitty dad

I feel it's just as bad to either gender

[fresh mulch]

real

[uncut depot]

it is, i was confused about whois implying otherwise and trying to clarify my statement

[sharp yoke]

Just add the Protag

hehehe

[uncut depot]

the predictor of, uh, what i was thinking isnt the offender's...preferences, its them having unchecked power over the target, which is already true even without the genderswap, but the more i think about it the more san damage i take and for some reason my ability to avoid thinking about it decreases when i think about fem!akechi

[fresh mulch]

geez its past midnight. might do this tomorrow

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sumitaba-persona-5-gif-17607669707589118929

[unborn sonnet]

Navoreee on x

I really like that they both wear glasses too

[fresh mulch]

glasses on glasses yuri is the best

[sharp yoke]

Love their hair braiding together

[fresh mulch]

😈 i can finally mess with confidant abilities

😈

[fresh mulch]

yknow, i dont remember ann being this endowed

i guess its a part of the bustup that you never see anyway

😮

[sharp yoke]

Hmm? I thought it was obvious that well she is the most curvy, due to her mixed heritage...

[fresh mulch]

hmmm i was thinking... should i have the twin dates be mandatory for ranking up?

im not a fan of being able to just rush a slink rank from beginning to end in a single day

[uncut depot]

the hangouts are the only interesting part of their character so yeah im inclined to make them required myself if archon rebalance

im talking about it to a degree where maybe i should just commit for how much ive not been able to shut up about it lately, which feels weird

[uncut depot]

i have basically every field labeled and some of these are wrong so uhh gimme a moment to forward my findings if ur dead set on not using imhex

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah talking about it... which confidant abilities should just be nuked?

to begin with: ryuji instakill
but also, Maruki's Detox and Mindfulness at least

flow is not too gamebreaking tho

hopefully they are not hardcoded and actually follow the ctd

Harisen Recovery is another one im thinking of just removing outright

Chaines Hook is also a bit too much

good thing there are forced surrounds so this can stay

[uncut depot]

im probably the wrong person to ask because given the power i would probably attempt to "just" nerf all those into the ground instead of nuking them outright (eg. flow basically only happening in bossfights)

[fresh mulch]

well, me too

but that would require some exe editing

ngl im not sure im a fan of endure

[fresh mulch]

p4 and 5 are straightup allergic to ailments like goddamn

the game refuses to let you be punished by receiving one

[uncut depot]

im realizing i never posted a screencap of the final ver of the pattern, just rambled in the doubt thread as i made it, but the gist is:

• Function Type isnt a real enum, at least in the royal ver of this file, instead its a bitfield that i described in the doubt thread (in the final imhex pattern i actually represent it as a bitfield)
• field06 might just be padding, im not entirely sure, but the last two fields are a bitflag id for abilities that have in the bitfield section that they check for a bitflag (these would be third awakenings and akechi abilities)

also a lot of confidant abilities were unlabeled in the enums template i had so i filled them out for the imhex pattern

[fresh mulch]

im using this one
https://github.com/godofknife/010-Editor-Templates

ew what is this "takuto"?? he's only maruki

[uncut depot]

idr where i got the template i had but for sure it was missing the bitflag at least

[strong moat]

I mean it's strong but is that a good reason to cut it

[uncut depot]

arguably protect would be more suspect since its basically an extra 3 endures for jonkler if entire party is rank 9 or 10

although im surprised weve gotten this far without mentioning the king of absurdly op confidant abilities, special treatment

[strong moat]

special treatment used to be rank 10 too...

[fresh mulch]

i mean yes. its not about being strong, its bypassing a part of the battle's mechanics: having to use recarm/revival items

[strong moat]

this is true but it doesn't work on AOE

[fresh mulch]

the rhythm of a fight changes a lot when you have to revive or cure status

[uncut depot]

but thats what final guard is for :V

[fresh mulch]

thats why harisen, despite not being that good, i think ends up hurting the game

[strong moat]

being stuck at 1 HP does force you to immediately heal them

they are also rendered unable to use HP based skills

[fresh mulch]

yes but thats any healing, not specific revival-based healing

thats an important distinction imo

its like if you had an ability that transformed any diarahan into an amrita drop for example

[strong moat]

there is a distinction but idk I'm still not convinced endure needs to be cut entirely

[fresh mulch]

i mean, its not like cutting an ability out is something that needs a perfect reason to it

sometimes you just want a different flow

[strong moat]

well yeah. you do what you want at the end of the day. but I'm not seeing its removal having much of a justification

[fresh mulch]

yeah but this is not a perspective i'm a fan of. im not doing 'tweaks' at the end of the day, im changing the fundamentals

its not about justification, its similar to making a system from the groundup (but... not starting from the groundup)

sometimes there's no great reason to add or remove anything after all

im not gonna bog my creative process down with this mentality

[strong moat]

again, you do what you want at the end of the day it seemed like you wanted thoughts on it but I misunderstood

it's your mod no one can force you to do it a specific way

[fresh mulch]

oh no i like seeing perspectives regardless if i agree or not. its useful

this reminds me a lot of the surprisingly complex psychology of buffs and nerfs

its less about whats done, and more about how its presented

the way people see things depends a lot on the framing.
imagine that right before launch some devs decided to nerf a certain character, and only the devs know about this, not the playerbase. Because people aren't aware of how the character 'used to be', their perspective is completely different than if, say, the devs did the exact same nerf a week post launch

people would be asking 'why did you nerf them?'

people see 'nerf' and 'removed' and instinctively ask 'why?' theres not much i can do about this

at the end of the day, im changing a lot of the battle system to begin with, so basing any one change from the perspective of the vanilla game doesnt work well anyway

[fresh mulch]

ew its rank 5 in royal??? why

[fresh mulch]

now, i actually think this is less bad for the game than endure. it is objectively stronger, true, but something being strong is not inherently a problem. it's about how it slots into the battle system and how it changes its dynamics

[uncut depot]

oh right i forgor i was gonna show this

i think having jonkler being borderline unkillable is a problem though

[fresh mulch]

let's see the resources necessary to revive an ally:
Specifically a ko-based healing like Recarm or Balm of Life.
what Endure does:
Allows any source of healing to recover a supposedly 'dead' ally. It also gives you an extra turn for any SP-costing Skill, melee/gun attacks, or items. Which is something you lose when an ally actually dies and doesn't hang at 1 HP

Basically: Endure removes an entire type of resource to substitute it with a more generic one

let's see what's necessary to revive a dead joker—

oh

you just lose on the spot.

what Protect does:
gives you a second wind, but at the cost of the life of one ally

Protect is a get-out-of-jail card, true, but the moment Joker dies, there's nothing you can really do to steer a fight back? You just reset and remember to have the right persona out next time. Dying is a momentum stopper and it feels kinda bad if you dont have a second chance.

A dead teammate however, is much more fun to play around than one hanging at 1 HP. there's way more tension. A dead joker is just an instant reset

the biggest problem with protect is because allies also have endure imo

if not for it, it would feel way less cheap

this is less a balancing issue, and more a gamefeel and resource management issue imo

fights are at their best when you both have a chance to lose, but also it doesnt feel like it can just happen at any time, and you have the ability to steer a bad situation back into a maneageable one

tldr: i think increasing tension is better than stopping it, even if objectively it makes things easier

[fresh mulch]

what am i looking at

[uncut depot]

i said i was gonna show cmmFunctionTable entry as it is with the imhex pattern

[fresh mulch]

what is truejustice

[uncut depot]

that bit is only enabled for the one you get for maxing sae

[fresh mulch]

most useless abilities of all time

oh wait ohya exists

[uncut depot]

lmfao

[strong moat]

very important to note - this is not true. it does not cost the ally's life, oftentimes they end up surviving the hit just fine

[uncut depot]

i could swear it does something else too but maybe its my brain trolling me

[uncut depot]

dont they survive on 1

[strong moat]

that's endure I'm talking protect

[uncut depot]

i could swear they survive on 1 for protect too

[strong moat]

nah they just take the damage for joker. so if they resist it for example, no problem

or if joker has 3 HP and the ally has 300

etc

[fresh mulch]

you can only protect once per ally right

[uncut depot]

oh huh, i think i maybe just didnt proc it enough to notice lmao

[strong moat]

correct

endure and protect are both interesting resources you can take advantage of in boss fights; they oftentimes end up being a bit of a safety net in random battles which I think is totally fine

[fresh mulch]

and it also does not work for aoe so i do think its fine honestly

[strong moat]

example: endure is handled in a very interesting way in the Margaret fight if you're not going with the optimal strategy

[uncut depot]

i think maybe im thinking of the 1 specific instance i do remembering it happening, which was near the end of akechi fight where i slipped with my debuffs and makoto protected me from a laevateinn (she survived on 1)

[strong moat]

endure enables your party members to survive the death megidolaon. however if it procs early, you end up being in trouble later

same deal with rise's protect

protect is also generally not relevant in that fight as the protagonist likely won't be targeted by single target skills

[fresh mulch]

you need protection for margaret

[fresh mulch]

which ones she does have

[strong moat]

if the protagonist is being targeted by single target skills, you didn't prepare for the fight enough

ideally the protagonist should have no weaknesses; all your party members except Naoto will have a weakness that you cannot fully cover though

and Margaret will use single target skills to try to strike those weaknesses

thus if a party member is taken out by her targeting weaknesses, using up an endure keeps them in the fight but then they're in trouble in the next few turns or if there's a 9999 megidolaon inbound

[fresh mulch]

i have to yet fight margaret. i dont think i've ever fought elizabeth either

only the twins actually

[strong moat]

to oversimplify, the main Margaret pattern is fire -> ice -> elec -> wind -> charge -> megidolaon or tassou hobi

she will use AOE elemental if no one in the party is weak to it, otherwise she will attempt to single target. if she hits the single target, she follows up with AOE

so you can see how endure is an interesting part of the fight in that case

now I'm not saying you have to design around it but consider that it can be balanced in a fight still

and also please try to ignore that the optimal strategy for fighting Margaret is solo. it's boring to do that, it's more fun to consider party members in the mix

(if you're curious, absorb all build + physical skills for the protagonist is optimal)

infinitely sustainable lol

[fresh mulch]

oh no, endure is totally easy to balance around, if anything it can make balancing tough enemies easier

im just focusing on a different gameplay loop with a bigger focus on using most of your arsenal, and i think that having the multiple different types of healing being important is what i want

not better or worse, just its own thing

an example is that mabaisudi heals a fixed 50% and also heals burn/freeze/shock. At some points it will be worse than mediarama, at late game it will actually scale better than it. Me Patra for example does its usual effect, but also restores some SP for your allies, and SP will be as scarce as I can make it here

i dont want overcentralization of tools, i want options. so thats why im prioritizing the relevancy of recarm here

another reason why both harisen and detox are specially bad for my case

i forgor what i was gonna do rn

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-morning-makoharu-okujima-makoto-niijima-gif-14988794195704654848

have some yuri

[strong moat]

I definitely don't blame you for going after those, both are quite overtuned. a lot of sumi's confidant abilities are also...funny

I also think auto charge is silly as well (I think it's called flow?)

[uncut depot]

charge and concentrate lmfao

although it is v funny when maruki casts fear on jonkler and you shrug it off with the ability he gave you

[fresh mulch]

flow does proc a bit too often

[strong moat]

also you brought up insta kill at some point so I want to comment on it: insta kill can be balanced. it used to be awful in base P5

iirc insta kill can only be used if your level is significantly above that of your enemy

[uncut depot]

indeed, its primarily the ridiculous amount of reward it gives you

[fresh mulch]

instakill's problem is the too-easy grind honestly

[strong moat]

so you can balance in a few different ways (not saying all these are easy to do)

• make base rewards for killing lower level enemies lower
• make the insta kill reward a fraction of the standard reward
• only reward items or new personas, not money or xp. or some variation of that

otherwise people are still going to be able to grind it'll just be more tedious

you remove all rewards and the skill is going to actively suck (although at least it won't be as bad as it was in base P5)

where you straight up lost the ability to ambush low level enemies

[fresh mulch]

i wont say it will suck, more like it will be more situational and not an answer to everything

it would still be useful like a repel in pokemon is useful

[strong moat]

the thing with base P5 is that once you got insta kill, it actively griefed you bc you couldn't ambush low level enemies anymore and there were almost no situations in which you would want to use it

P5R obviously overcorrected but the skill sucked prior

[fresh mulch]

honestly, i want to avoid free rewards as much as i can. at most give you only a persona on use? items can be used for money farming for example

talking about farming... the Confusion in the room

the money the enemy throws away is based on what?

[strong moat]

the skill inherently is there to make grinding less tedious

[uncut depot]

imo i see it as an "i dont want to deal with trash mobs that are so beneath me theyll just get deleted in a fight anyway" ability

[strong moat]

also idk if palace shadows do this but mementos shadows that you overlevel are just gonna run away from you

[uncut depot]

so despite it being bad in og i think i wasnt fussed about it lol

palace shadows dont

[fresh mulch]

the foolish masses are beneath me

[strong moat]

in P4G something like insta kill would be nice since shadows never run from you

it also would make some quests less tedious...

[fresh mulch]

shadows running away from you in p3 is really annoying tho

if you actually want to fight them, its so hard to catchup to them

[strong moat]

I didn't have any problems with it

[fresh mulch]

last one i played was portable where you dont have a bow for that

[strong moat]

I only ever used the 1h sword in FES anyways

[fresh mulch]

why

[strong moat]

bc I liked it and thought it looked cooler

[uncut depot]

i always used bow because i was a weiner who didnt like getting up close lmao

[fresh mulch]

smh weebs

[strong moat]

rule of cool trumps all else sorry

[fresh mulch]

bows are cooler

[strong moat]

besides, 1h sword ended up being his "canon" weapon anyways so it worked out lol

and as FEMC, obviously you never even had the choice to begin with

[fresh mulch]

i came

fire dmg shotgun is actually quite useful

[fresh mulch]

i guess i'll be continuing back from here

i've done a lot of changes by then so the save im using is not a good example

i was fast forwarding to test the chalk throw event and...

they should kiss

[grand cipher]

"Wanna split a crepe?"

oh they are SO into each other.

[fresh mulch]

"hey"

THEY WANNA FUCK

https://tenor.com/view/yukari-takeba-mitsuru-kirijo-persona-3-reload-the-answer-episode-aigis-gif-12730064537002814489

everything fuels my yuri goggles

[simple knoll]

this might be their gayest scene holy

the way yukari's head tilts 😭

[fresh mulch]

i am so making yuri for p3r when i have time

[grand cipher]

still one of the more emotional ones. Original I feel did it better

[simple knoll]

when you make yuri p3r mod i should make yaoi p3r mod

idk where it'd put akishinji tho considering.

[fresh mulch]

yknow, the urge to do the same thing for p3r, and just like here, instead of getting a 'proper' femc, i just stick with the male model and say she's a tomboy

butch makoto (there are two now)

[simple knoll]

i think makoto specifically in p3r looks a bit too masculine for that

i do know i wanna make ryoji romance or a mock romance bc idk how the romances work in p3r

it'd be fine bc he won't be there for valentines or anything anyway

[fresh mulch]

man whats up with reload's portraits

they all look so off

[fresh mulch]

he's so shaded

[grand cipher]

feel like his eyes are more bloodshot then the other games

[simple knoll]

p3r has a lot of shading

on their models too

unreal engine ahh

[fresh mulch]

unreal engine so strong that it bled to the artstyle itself

[simple knoll]

i don't think amicita has the events for p3r documented since the group disbanded like 5 years ago...

[fresh mulch]

in any case you can always add to it yourself right?

[simple knoll]

nvm p3r is documented

https://amicitia.miraheze.org/wiki/Persona_3_Reload/Events

[fresh mulch]

bruh i've been searching for 4/16 and for some reason the 16 was here all along but in hex

decompiler moment

[simple knoll]

oh my god

the flags HAVE NAMES

p3r modders living the life

[fresh mulch]

i mean its in unreal that alones makes it very moddable right

[simple knoll]

yeah unreal is easy to mod but atlus shoved their own file types inside unreal as well lmao

[fresh mulch]

if not broke why fix it

[simple knoll]

so they package their bmds and bfs inside an unreal filetype

and unreal has their own language so they don't even need flowscript

[fresh mulch]

who needs c++

[simple knoll]

https://gamebanana.com/tuts/17261 explains it pretty well

chlorophylls as always the goat

[lunar vector]

The Wiki is publicly editable

[fresh mulch]

i'll fix p3r by making it gay

[simple knoll]

oh my god

p3r adds line breaks automatically

FUCK YOU [n] I HATE YOU

[fresh mulch]

revolutionary concept

atlus discover auto wrapping

[simple knoll]

unreal probably had an autowrapping feature and they were like "wooooaaah"

[fresh mulch]

every engine has

[simple knoll]

except gfd

does metaphor have it...? it's gfd but it's newer...

i miss cpks :,) how am i supposed to unpack this

[fresh mulch]

"how am i supposed to unpack this" - me irl

[simple knoll]

yeah same

[fresh mulch]

thanks asg

why sometimes it just turns stuff into numbers 😭

[uncut depot]

fmodel

[fresh mulch]

eff what?

[simple knoll]

yeah I figured that out after looking for a bit

[uncut depot]

if the procedure name starts with a number then it wraps it in quotes like that
so probably thats just the actual procedure name 😭

[fresh mulch]

🧍

[grand cipher]

Honestly would have been nice to see that in the main game.

[fresh mulch]

take like a champ = +3 guts
focus on dodging = +3 knowledge

[grand cipher]

and instinct?

[fresh mulch]

charm

im doing some event editing here wait a minute

man i cant help but cringe a bit at this event

the worst part is that i dont think its self aware of how corny it is

[grand cipher]

the worser part is how his name is Male Student

[fresh mulch]

true...

[simple knoll]

i think it'd be funnier if you didn't say what level you needed to be and if you chose the other two without having that level you just get whacked like in vanilla

[grand cipher]

adachi true...

[fresh mulch]

meh i dont think this accomplishes much

just makes it a 'guide dangit!' and resetfest

[simple knoll]

but funny

what does dodge on instinct give you

[fresh mulch]

charm

important for the ladies

https://tenor.com/view/persona5-persona5joker-chalk-dodge-gif-26068262

😭

this is so edgy

SAO ah shit

[simple knoll]

p5 anime is dramatic as shit

it was my first introduction to p5 and i don't remember much from it actually

i've been wanting to watch the dub since it came out but i could never find it on any pirating websites

[fresh mulch]

||nyaa||

[simple knoll]

i'm aware

[fresh mulch]

found in two secs

[simple knoll]

iwas just about to go on my streaming torrenting client

stremio is goated

[fresh mulch]

stremio a lifesaver fr fr

[simple knoll]

you use it too?? based

oh i never watched day breakers either

[grand cipher]

those sites are so filled with viruses it's nuts.

[simple knoll]

adblocker

oh daybreakers didn't get dubbed

[fresh mulch]

imagine not using UBlock Origin ™ everywhere in today's day and age?

[simple knoll]

it's been a while since i'v heard their japanese voices i jumped at miyano voicing ryuji. i can't fuckin unhear dazai

[grand cipher]

atleast with Sub, Ryuji actually calls ren an asshole

[simple knoll]

in japaneese ryuji is a lot less loud

he's more soft spoken

bc it's miyano voicing him...

[fresh mulch]

i cant hear japanese ryuji, man...

[simple knoll]

miyano as akechi would've been to powerful

[grand cipher]

Robbie Daymond was Dub right, in the anime?

[simple knoll]

yeah

some 60 year old guy was akechi in japanese

[grand cipher]

robbie was INTO the role. you can just tell how much fun he had

[fresh mulch]

like son like father

[simple knoll]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2zaVhvdME_8 miyano is also the guy that did this. laughing at dick jokes

[fresh mulch]

zombie land saga mentioned

https://tenor.com/view/zombie-land-saga-lily-hoshikawa-anime-punching-happy-gif-14210795

[simple knoll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ibrOrG6Dk but like imagine this guy as akechi

instead they casted him as ryuji

[uncut depot]

ive never actually watched p5ta unless you count all the clips that were on yt when the dub came out
i think i always wanted to watch it with someone bc riffing on on a mid anime in a group seemed more fun than just watching the same mid anime by itself

[uncut depot]

keiichi from higurashi

[strong moat]

p5r takes some from the anime actually

the shido 1v1 is the main thing i think of

[uncut depot]

im aware yeah, proof of justice is basically prototype akechi confidant

(thats actually the one episode ive seen in full, because of course i have lol)

[fresh mulch]

wait what there was no shido 1v1 in the original???

[strong moat]

nop

[fresh mulch]

there was at least buff shido right

[strong moat]

personally i actually prefer the vanilla fight

yes

[uncut depot]

theres also the unused skytree event and the randomass kawakami swimsuit bit lmao

[strong moat]

<- guy who has played p5 (which is apparently not very common nowadays)

[fresh mulch]

oh so thats why im misremembering

[uncut depot]

i actually like that change lol, the one i dont like is sae element wheel (i have also played og)

[fresh mulch]

wasnt p5 like super big tho?

[strong moat]

it was but p5r multiplat dwarfed that

[fresh mulch]

mfers just played on youtube anyway does that count

[strong moat]

so nowadays a lot of people (especially people playing p5r on pc) don't know about how p5 was

[fresh mulch]

they are missing out on the limited ammo 🤗

[strong moat]

from a thematic standpoint i guess it is unique although i still prefer joker working with his friends to overcome shido

(actually found the 1v1 a little bit lame)

[fresh mulch]

1v1 is rule of cool

[strong moat]

gameplay wise the og fight clears the royal fight, the old gimmick is so much better than the 1v1

[fresh mulch]

og p5 truly an underrated gem nowadays

[strong moat]

gutting a very unique battle for a generic 1v1 is a bit boring for me especially bc again joker made it this far with his friends and it makes sense for them to be there to support him to the end

[uncut depot]

pour one out for the late etika, who wouldve played more if it were already on switch at the time 😭

[strong moat]

the gimmick of the p5 fight was literally just shido getting more and more turns

but it was really interesting how it played out

[fresh mulch]

i forgor how og shido was

[strong moat]

fight starts off easy enough and then gets challenging just bc shido gets so many actions he can just chain them back to back without you being able to do anything

(challenging by p5 standards)

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/smt-mot-smt-iii-nocturne-beast-eye-gif-5041231237874485971

[strong moat]

think he can get up to 5-6 turns in a row

[uncut depot]

i too was about to make a mot joke

[strong moat]

yeah lol

p much

[fresh mulch]

i have to add a 'beast eye' to the mot boss

its very easy too. just a dummy skill that does nothing. the ai just sets its action to +2

[uncut depot]

now im imagining if he had mot-ass multiple turns while also making you 1v1 him

[fresh mulch]

peak called it wants its peak back

[simple knoll]

mid anime group vc is so peak lol

[fresh mulch]

ill make shido multi-turn 1v1 now