[P3R] Project Re:Festival (Fatigue/Jealousy/Rebalance/Lighting/Etc)

[unreal brook]

it's the same formula but basically that means you don't get tired ever after the third block or so

i could add an option for reduced stamina or something but atp idk

[flat current]

does the formula need to be adjusted for reload due to like differing encounter numbers for example?

[unreal brook]

i think you battle more in reload honestly

48 battles per member you really need to go out of your way to tire everyone out

[tardy abyss]

In my playthough the protagonist got tired after one battle even though he was in great condition and I just entered tartarus is that a bug or intentional

it was 3 days after the priestess full moon fight

[unreal brook]

thats definitely not intentional are you sure he was great status

full moons make you tired

[minor reef]

that's also happened to me

can't remember how fast it was the 1st time but i remember my 2nd tartarus exploration i died after fighting like 3 battles and he was great throughout those

but as soon as i did one battle after reloading my save he got tired

from great

[minor reef]

i do think itd be a good option for like an extra challenge on merciless and stuff, its been a while since i played fes so i don't remember at all how much it used to be in the last few blocks

[unreal brook]

im gonna have to figure out the steps to replicate that

sounds really weird

[tardy abyss]

He could have been in good condition but ik he wasn't tired until I did my first battle

[minor reef]

priestess having two turns is HORRIBLE you cant prevent her from acting by taking out summons anymore

[unreal brook]

she doesn't summon every time though

its a fixed loop

[minor reef]

yeahhh but when she did she wouldnt attack so it took someee damage off from you

i won after i went back and got a jack frost, its been a while since i played reload i thought he was lvl 12 or 14 for some reason 😭

[unreal brook]

yea jack frost with agi

[minor reef]

exact same thing happened lol

did a bunch of battles, died (im so glad i went back and saved Omg whatever) and my first battle after coming back brought my protag from great to tired

[unreal brook]

loading into entrance?

better yet

what option do you pick after death

[minor reef]

return to title

[unreal brook]

does it happen if you just save reload and do one battle

no death

[minor reef]

ill test next time my protag feels great HKFDGHJH

i have a feeling it must be something like keeping the battles counter through game instances or something

given that i dont quit out of the game, just return to title to load

[unreal brook]

its a counter that makes no sense

should be in savefile

[minor reef]

oh that is super weird then

[unreal brook]

never happened to me either

[minor reef]

hooooly shit clairvoyant relic with 2 turns is awful

i thought it would just do its cycle twice as fast but its seemingly just, not following the cycle on the 2nd turn at all given that it uses agilao and the others on its 2nd turns and thats usually only something it does on one mores

[minor reef]

yeah ok no i have no idea at all how this is supposed to be possible

if the 2nd turn really is random then you're ALWAYS open to atleast 1 oneshot

itd mean only doing anything with my protag and thats not nearly enough time to actually heal and shit

[unreal brook]

it's a cycle

[unreal brook]

gotta account for it and guard with the next 2 targets

sonic punch on both akihiko and protag is good here

[minor reef]

okkkk ok i think i get it now, i got thrown off by it always hitting yukari first which does the random attack one more

so i thought the one more pattern was added to its cycle

ah yeah and then since i kept not understanding the cycle thinking it was different i kept getting downed which made it do the random one more attack this makes much more sense

ok yeah this is doable just pretty slow

[minor reef]

im in the fuuka/theurgy intro sequence so i cant exactly test since iirc most of it is scripted but my protag WAS great and went to tired inmediatly And this time i didnt even die or reload or anything he just did it

so maybe it just happens at random and me dying the first 2 times was me rerolling that random chance and getting unlucky

[unreal brook]

when did he get tired tho

[minor reef]

right after the first battle

from great to tired

[unreal brook]

ima need you to use mod menu and check what the value for Counter 341 is in the morning

wait

maybe 431

i need to check again

[minor reef]

the morning of this day?

or of the next one

[unreal brook]

both if you can, let me double check the counter

i think its 341 tho

[minor reef]

okayyyy give me a sec until it lets me save HDJFHJSDFH

[unreal brook]

Check:

Counter 341
Counter 373
Flag 5055
Flag 5056
Flag 5057

Also are you using the restroom everytime to be great, i don't remember ever going without doing that lol

works on full moon too

[minor reef]

i ammm

well not every single day but on every tartarus visit i make sure to be great

[unreal brook]

by tired you mean mitsuru is giving you a warning yeah

[minor reef]

fuuka in this case yeah

[unreal brook]

wait

tired in the theurgy tutorial shouldn't really be possible i think

[minor reef]

you have to fight 4 shadows on the previous floor before it gets dark and yukari does her theurgy

it happened on the 1st shadow i fought

[unreal brook]

yeah i really need to see your counters

inb4 its not setting your stamina

i legit didnt run into this a single time the entire game

just MC?

[minor reef]

counter 341 in the morning is set to 0, after going to the bathroom and getting "Your status changed from good to great" its still 0

[minor reef]

yeahhh its happened on like every tartarus visit

[unreal brook]

yeah then it's omega bugged

[minor reef]

😭 😭

maybe another mod is changing it?

[unreal brook]

its possible

check 342

[minor reef]

342 is 30 both before and after changing from good to great

Should iii do like a few battles and see if it changes

[unreal brook]

yeah because that's yukari's stamina

[minor reef]

ahhhh

then its DEFINITELY wrong 😭 😭

if 341 is my mc stamina and its 0 🥹

[unreal brook]

yeah but even if the start of the game were bugged, priestess would've fixed it

because it does clean slate on everyone's stamina

hmm

let me see

when the morning started, were you tired

what was his status

[minor reef]

when i went to the bathroom it told me i changed from good to great, i couldnt check the "everyone's status" thing since its a school day

should it tell me my status other than just in those two areas?

bcs it never has

oh and when i get tired ofc

[unreal brook]

not yet

[minor reef]

in tartarus i mean

[unreal brook]

wanna get ui working

eventually

ok so just regular status then

[minor reef]

yeahhh yeah

[unreal brook]

do me a favor then and check the flags 5055 5056 and 5057 on that morning

they should all be 0

5055 should become 1 after you use bathroom

[minor reef]

im doing these in the after school time slot if that means anything btw

[unreal brook]

irrelevant, all stamina calcs are done when the day starts

becoming great doesnt give stamina

[minor reef]

wait which flag type is it it gives me like battle field progress sections to choose

[unreal brook]

oh true

0x20000000 so field

i think

ya

field

[minor reef]

okok

5055 is 0 5056 is 0 5057 is 0 before bathroom

[unreal brook]

BRO then it should at LEAST be 10 on the stamina as a failsafe

[broken totem]

this is like reading dc go through issues lmao

[unreal brook]

when you started the mod it was fresh new game 100% right

[minor reef]

5055 is 1 after the bathroom

[minor reef]

i deleted all my saves even because i missed the old title screen 😭 😭

i might have to leave my PC for a while fyi

like an hour atleast

[unreal brook]

no problem

are you by any chance going to tartarus every day

wait

are you going to tartarus immediately after healing yourself from tired

fuck i think thats it

if you're tired or sick healing yourself doesn't give you any stamina it just removes the status

so if you go to tartarus immediately after you're still fucked

i gotta add stamina calculations to the bathroom

ig thats why fes calculates tiredness on tartarus entry

which i cant do

i mean i could

i just dont want to

tired mc isnt a problem at all until you get theurgy

then its a problem

[minor reef]

i don't think so? since the game when i go to the bathroom tells me im going from good to great but not like tired to good

unless you heal from tired after sleeping

[unreal brook]

there's a small chance yes, but healing from sleeping calculates stamina

well not small chance it's 100% after 2 days

[minor reef]

well since ive been doing tartarus visits as soon as whatever the next member unlocks i don't knowwww, shouldn't it by then naturally probably get rid of the tired status just by sleeping

i could try going to the bathroom the day before tartarus to make sure im great on both days and seeing what happens then

[unreal brook]

let me see smth

yeah i legit dont see how its breaking

try forcing 341 to something other than zero, sleeping and then see if it changes

while not tired/sick/great

[minor reef]

okay it changed, set 341 on the previous day to 20, slept and now its 38

maybe its just not fixing itself when its not in the normal range? and it has to be manually set

oh wow i went back 2 days, slept and its at 32 now

i havent been sleeping manually like at all maybe thats just why 😭

???? if i studied instead of sleeping it still went up

and loading my actual save instead of the one that i rewinded to (where i did the same routine if i remember correctly) its 0

going to my save, rewinding one day and sleeping that day brought it up to 37

so i guess me not sleeping is making it so it skips the stamina calculations, i havent slept manually at all since the very start of the game

i guess the next time i go to tartarus ill make sure to sleep the day before, still it probably should get changed so going to the bathroom also updates your stamina, in fes i only slept when i wanted great status or keeping myself from getting tired before tartarus

[unreal brook]

its not on the act of sleeping

its when the day changes

the number being randomly different is normal

there's a +-7 difference

every morning, if not tired and not sick, it calculates stamina

if less than 10, 10

if more than 48, 48

so something is tripping and skipping the calc

but you can do any activity in the game and it'll still calc in the morning

nothing to do with sleep

there's gotta be a mistake there im not accounting for

[minor reef]

maybe i was tired then? and sleeping just removed it

i dont think i was, i could be misremembering but i tried going to the nurses office and it didnt let me so i was good

ui for this really is a bit of a necessity 😭

[unreal brook]

this happening more than once is concerning, hopefully it just wont again

yeah it is

[minor reef]

ill let you know if it happens again

[unreal brook]

yep

important especially now because you have theurgy

i'll add stamina calculations to bathroom

[minor reef]

does it disable theurgy on tired members?

thats actually a pretty good limit HJDFHJHFG

[unreal brook]

great status makes it autofill on bosses

tired makes it halve after every battle

sick empties it after every battle

[minor reef]

i seee i see thats pretty good

also does great still give you more crit chance?

[unreal brook]

nope, that kind of stuff can't be done with cheeky flowcript hax

i would if i could

i redesigned it as best as i could for reload

[minor reef]

ahhh i see makes sense

i do think it boosting theurgy is pretty good gameplay wisee, tiredness is more about the downsides so you space out your visits either way

[unreal brook]

i didnt give tiredness much thought because you'll see soon, it'll basically never happen

[minor reef]

other than my protag it ONLY happened on my first tartarus visit 😭 😭 😭

[unreal brook]

yeah stamina is mega generous

i might add a half option or smth

[minor reef]

i havent really been getting into many fights either, being able to like climb really quickly because of the splitting up thing is really fun

[unreal brook]

i could try to see if there's a way to make the formula cap out at 99 instead of 27

[unreal brook]

right? felt weird at first but i really like it

[minor reef]

id definitely appreciate this

[minor reef]

not only does it like just save a lot of time but it really feels like im being rewarded for choosing to fight instead of like sneaking around the floor

[unreal brook]

yeah, doing fights speeds exploration

it feels like a good balance

[minor reef]

holy shit a skill mutation gave me marakunda at level 20 what the fuck 😭 😭 😭

[unreal brook]

peak

[coral hornet]

At level 20, you're open to getting directly amps from boosts

Among other skills, this is a great way to mutate upwards to rank 8s

[minor reef]

i was expecting my next roadblock would be lovers, not hierophant 😭 😭 😭

i guess i should go back and get me patra, the fear is awful

[unreal brook]

you can definitely win without it, but it helps a ton

[flat current]

oomf is getting cooked 😔

[minor reef]

dude

[hexed acorn]

ZIODYNE?

What was the og skill before it mutated?

[minor reef]

i honestly forgot but if mutations are +1 rank then it probably was a marakunda ive been passing down to most new personas i fuse

[hexed acorn]

Marakunda is rank 5, so if it's +1 then yeah, totally possible

[minor reef]

bro i got paralyzed with fear twice in a row with my mc and then it assault dive crit everyone except yukari

i still think its kindof insane that yukari BARELY unlocks media by now and most enemies already have access to ma-moderate dmg skills

double makougaon is just Actually a death sentence 🥹

except to my mc since i went out of my way to resist it, but i cant guard with anyone since the first one breaks guard

[unreal brook]

im trying to remember what i did

but yeah a lot of KOs are expected

tarunda and rakukaja is very helpful

[minor reef]

mmm yeah i think i may have made a mistake using junpei instead of akihiko in tartarus

using mc turns to debuff attack

[unreal brook]

i did yukari aki junpei

that order

for hiero lovers

i also modded the hotel sequence so it keeps that order after the hypnosis

[hexed acorn]

[tacit yew]

do you just have a folder of fuukas unpacked voicelines ready to throw on this image

[hexed acorn]

No

But that's something I plan to do eventually

[coral hornet]

You can hop 2 ranks

Or even 3, but that's from boost to amp specifically

[minor reef]

oh my god lovers still sucks too 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

all my attempts end on it choosing my mc for holy arrow

though the one that lasted the longest i got it down to a quarter health before i genuinely ran out of revives

i think im just gonna retry hiero with akihiko since him being underleveled gets fixed by the exp at the end

and swap out mitsuru for him because she genuinely just becomes a guard spam for the entire post heal lovers

[unreal brook]

if you're on merciless exposing yourself to weaknesses is kinda rough yea

also remember a lot of the ai is still set order

try to memorize and predict

i think nyx is the only one with randomness

since i made it more fes-like

holy arrow on mc is weird, it usually goes for senpais

was mitsuru dead

[wet jetty]

okay i know 100% this is a skill issue

but I cant for the life of my kill the first full moon shadow

I just want advice

(im playing on mercless)

[unreal brook]

tarunda, Jack Frost with agi, rakukaja if you really need it

[wet jetty]

I got my ass kicked went back to tatarus grinded a bit got my party to lvl 12 with makoto and yukari and junepi at 10

is this level enough

or do I reload an older save and grind more

[unreal brook]

i beat it at 9/10

[wet jetty]

I was that at first

thought I was underlevled

but tysm

also didnt find any bugs

[unreal brook]

[wet jetty]

its really fun when you get used to it

[unreal brook]

that's good to hear

[wet jetty]

wow that was really not that hard

ty

[minor reef]

can't really remember but it also happened once when im sure akihiko was alive

i already beat it though it only took me a couple of tries with akihiko swapped in for mitsuru

what took me longer was just getting back to lovers 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[unreal brook]

no checkpoint is really brutal

[wet jetty]

speaking of funny story
when I was first playing reload I didnt have a gpu yet and it hated my intel integrated graphics
the game used to crash in that stupid boss for so long
it took me 4 hours to beat it

fuck the crashes

[wet jetty]

hey so

I was allegedly feeling great

I go to tatarus

one fight and Im tired

[flat current]

you gotta give more info lol

[unreal brook]

this is happening to a ton of people and i didn't have it happen to me a single time

[wet jetty]

okay so before I went to tatarus I went to the bathroom
it said you feel from good to great

I just unlocked aki so I went to tatarus

I do 1 fight

and mitrusu tells me I'm tired

[unreal brook]

@wet jetty @minor reef can i get the save files from when this happened to you, I want to rewind and try to understand why it's not calculating stamina

[wet jetty]

sure leme boot up my pc

Im on linux btw

if that matters

[scenic heath]

yeah, this is yet another thing i still haven't gotten around to redoing the tables for myself either, but there are some extremely silly possible mutations you can get in reload. you can get -dyne's and ma--dyne's from an upgrade mutation at level 20. fatal end can upgrade to tempest slash if you're level 30. and so from one mutation, you've got rank 7 skills at level 20-30, one more mutation could get you brave blade, vorpal blade, et cetera.

and there's probably SOMEONE that that's happened to through sheer luck

[minor reef]

i can in about a week lol i only have my steam deck and im away from my house 😭 😭 😭 😭

i mean technically i think i can still get the files if it's like really important but it's Kindof a pain iirc

[broken totem]

pcgamingwiki has save data paths

steam deck paths specifically

[minor reef]

i think i have the path opened in the file manager and if not i daily drive linux but id have to get the correct slot and all that stuff

[unreal brook]

the fact you're both on linux is

uhm

well i dont want to say its the cause but it would be funny

[broken totem]

it can be a cause for issues apparently

[minor reef]

if it is linux id laugh so hard but also it'd be prettyyyy weird, isn't it all in bfs?

[unreal brook]

yeah but its calculating the stamina for the rest of the party so just mc would be weird

[broken totem]

i mean i've had stupider problems

r2.5 themes omega died if i tried using a custom one

[minor reef]

well r2 runs on proton instead of natively so id expect it to be pretty spotty

[unreal brook]

i know but within the same bf?

[minor reef]

right that's why i don't think it is

i mean it wouldn't compile the bf maybe but if the rest is working

[minor reef]

dude the cowardly maya in floor 91 of all things is giving me real issues 🥹 🥹 🥹 🥹 🥹 🥹 🥹 🥹

[unreal brook]

you mean the monad one that opens with megido?

that one can fr be a little tough

get sylphid aura for auto masuku and distress it the turn before it acts

[minor reef]

a little funny that this is the exact strategy i came up with 😭 😭 😭

its still like, pretty damn bad since i genuinely just need to get lucky with my distress hits (i even have distress boost 🥹 🥹 🥹 ) but it's. Probably doable if i don't fish for crits as junpei has let me down like 5 times now

[unreal brook]

helps if you take mitsuru for that one

i think i had aki mitsuru yukari on that one actually

junpei got shafted in midgame

[minor reef]

he's pretty ass so far frankly

i don't really see what mitsuru would do though i mean maybe you can charm it?

it also just sucks so much that it still has all elements to fuck you over like itll just choose to kill certain party members depending on the order of skills

at least sukukaja makes it like, a little better but it gets removed every single death too

[unreal brook]

she has eerie sound

[minor reef]

oh right

[unreal brook]

tho im not sure if charm works too

maybe confuse

those last longer

[minor reef]

well i have distress stuff on mc yukari and akihiko im not really struggling with applying it as much as just surviving regardless

i SHOULD try confuse

[unreal brook]

fes moment, he gets better later

[minor reef]

since it doesn't die after hit

[unreal brook]

tbh im more worried about aigis than junpei

[unreal brook]

especially if you use that clock shit to boost his stats omg bro

[minor reef]

ohhh yeah i was thinking of coming back later and using the clock for yukari

[unreal brook]

did mc become ninja tired again

[minor reef]

that way she can dodge the mazionga to anything combo it often does

[minor reef]

hasn't happened since i manually went to bed like twice in a row

i think it kindof fixed a like, broken stamina stat

[unreal brook]

its just weird, maybe there's an oversight somewhere

[minor reef]

it's prooobably just the stamina calculations not being in tartarus/only being in the morning

[unreal brook]

yeah but you went from good to great so it would've calculated anyway

tired to good would've been broken i know that much rn

[minor reef]

ohhh yeah that's right

[unreal brook]

the savefiles will probably help me debug

you didnt have to waste 2 timeslots on sleeping tho any activity would've done it

[minor reef]

😭 😭 😭 i was pretty desperate at that point (well actually being tired hadnt really hindered me much given that it was my mc and i didn't have theurgies)

[unreal brook]

i'll figure it out

i could refactor this to force it

calculate stamina regardless of status, and then if tired or sick, force it to 1

it being set to 0 is the most suspicious part

because if anything it would've kept the stamina of the previous day, not reset the whole fucking counter

i made 100% sure it wasn't used either

[minor reef]

it's probably better to not skip doing it if tired or sick just in case something fucks up so it gets fixed inmediatly

omfg i finally beat it a couple tries after switching to confusion

[unreal brook]

yeah, i can just force it to calculate and then force it to be 1 if they're tired

which is how it works p much

[unreal brook]

@minor reef @wet jetty I used the saves you posted and I did check there was a huge stretch of calendar where the MC stamina never recovered (i used Rewind)

however literally everything i did to go to the next day fixed the problem immediately on my pc, so i really have to blame linux

what i can try doing is adding stamina calculation to the bathroom (that was already a known issue, so no big deal) and i'll also force stamina to always calculate, then set to 1 if tired/sick

all the flags for tired are also always 0 in these saves so it's 100% the script not running properly

yea literally everything i do is auto-fixing it

aha, loading a save in the entrance did in fact set it to 0

let me test with my own saves

happens in my saves too

thats weird, never happened when i was testing

i died plenty too

maybe i was retrying rather than reloading

idk

loading any save is making it 0, now i'm weirded out

inb4 its because of the fes ost dlc

yep, confirmed

loading any save at all sets the protagonist's stamina to 0 in the current version of p3r

even in unmodded

i blame the fes ost update

on the bright side, it means i can change the counter the mc uses and it'll just fix itself automatically

ok confirmed, everyone else's stamina loads properly

just need to change the protag's counter ID

[tacit yew]

switching targets

[unreal brook]

it was fine before

well

actually

there's a trick

i can save outside of the range of counters

idk if it fucks with the savefile tho

[tacit yew]

I have reload installed actually I should test soon

[unreal brook]

yeah some counters outside the range have values in em

i'll just use 367 and if a bug happens again i'll keep changing to narrow down a free ID

if stamina goes below 0 or above 48 it gives an error message anyway, so i'll know

let me check flowscript for 367

340 also resets on every load

mitsuru's was 345 which set itself to your current floor if there was a gold chest

completely useless tracking

@minor reef bathroom already did calculate stamina

it really was just the fes ost update setting it to 0 with every load

i blame yumi kawamura

[wet jetty]

lmao

well at least you fixed the issue

so do* I wait for the fix or continue playing

[unreal brook]

I'll push a hotfix in a sec yea

[wet jetty]

alright

also I have a question are the effects of being tired on mc exactly the same as fes

or how do they work

[unreal brook]

Nope

Normal: Nothing changes
Great: Theurgy full at start of a boss
Tired: Theurgy halved at end of a battle
Sick: Theurgy empty at end of a battle

[wet jetty]

I thought I took more dmg or something

but fair

but MAAN weakness are brutal

[unreal brook]

it also starts empty when tired/sick in a boss

forgot that

[wet jetty]

1 mistake and I'm gone lol

ty for explaining

[unreal brook]

you'll be able to tank it later but yeah its harsh

Hotfix 0.0.2

* Changes Protagonist stamina counter ID, hopefully fixing a bug where loading a save sets it to 0

(If you are currently in Tartarus, you must Rewind or pass the time. If you are in Iwatodai, using the restroom will recalculate the Protagonist's stamina and fix it.)

Attachment removed due to a file that should not be in the mod

[wet jetty]

uhh forgot to confirm

but it does work lol

[unreal brook]

[wet jetty]

hoenstly I deserve this

I died to the same gatekeeper 5 times and I already beat him twice yesterday easily

[flat current]

I need to update that mod for episode aigis

[minor reef]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

im glad this wasn't me experiencing my first completely random linux issue atleast 🥹 🥹 🥹

[scenic heath]

interesting to think about other ways the fatigue mechanic could be fleshed out more and interact more smoothly with other mechanics

i think affecting sp cost would be a good way to mesh fes and reload together

[unreal brook]

i'd simply implement the whole deal from fes if i could

it's a matter of blueprint vs bf

sp punishments also re-incentivize phys which, even if you have perfect balance, players are gonna be biased and think it's bad

[scenic heath]

if you're in great condition, hp/sp cost on skills is maybe x0.75, and when you're tired, maybe x1.5. then, you might not actually need to force party members to drop out of tartarus when tired. players aren't going to want to burn all their sp items putting up with inflated costs.

[unreal brook]

earlier in development i was talking about the possibility of reverting one more and the old down into the game

so the old "all targets must be hit to 1 more" and "hitting downed pulls back up"

[scenic heath]

and, yeah, i should have clarified hp and sp, not just sp

[unreal brook]

the idea to modernize would be having dizzy as an ailment that prevents the enemy from getting back up when hit

[scenic heath]

ooh, hm...

[unreal brook]

2 reasons i didnt look into it

1. code nightmare

2. stunlock, as nostalgic as it is, is broken as shit

[scenic heath]

yeah, this is more interesting to think about as gameplay brainstorming ideas than as how the hell you'd actually implement it technically

[unreal brook]

for sure

i think i've done the best i can on a technical level to consolidate pure fes/reload

but there's miles ahead of potential

[scenic heath]

but sp works differently in fes compared to reload, so...

[unreal brook]

you mean the recovery at entrance? i cover this too

[scenic heath]

just make it all the same as fes? that's fair.

[unreal brook]

i did yeah, which might have ironically made magic a little too good at times

i saw myself spamming panta rhei instead of phys a lot more often

esp with the shift boost changes

[scenic heath]

memento mori, i'm going for more of a synthesis approach. it's hegelian dialectics, you see... thesis and antithesis. fes and reload have opposite gameplay philosophies and goals, but the synthesis of the two becomes something greater with the strengths of both and the weaknesses of none...

okay, i'm fucking around a little now, but you get the idea

[scenic heath]

and, yeah, i saw you buffed shift boost and amp. i do think they're good skills from a game design perspective and agree they should be encouraged, but it seemed a bit high to me. you are looking at them from the perspective that the shift amp-using party member will likely have two or three others damage multipliers active alongside shift amp, right? which means our good friend exponential damage growth is at play.

[scenic heath]

100% x 1.2 (fire boost) = 120% x 1.3 (fire amp) = 156% x 1.25 (tarukaja) x 195% x 1.30 (shift amp) = 253.5%
253.5% - 195% = +58.5% damage added from using shift amp compared to not
yeah, so in this very reasonable and not min-maxed scenario, shift amp will have almost 60% increase in base damage, double from using it alone

it's obviously just another way of looking at the same numbers, but it does help to look at things from different angles like that

[azure ether]

idk that's actually a really good point

while aesthetically I think reload needs to be overhauled to really be a faithful remake, the gameplay isn't imposible to reconcile with the original Persona 3 vision
you can feasibly make it feel more like the original game while not expunging all of the new gameplay features

[scenic heath]

yeah, it's fundamentally a different take on p3, with its own sets of pros and cons. fes still exists, it's still a good game, no point in trying to copy it exactly. same reason why, like i was just demonstrating up there, nerfing boost/amp skills below 25%/50%, while not being accurate to fes, is exactly the right call for reload. if fes was designed to have everything reload has in it, the numbers wouldn't have been that high in the first place.

[unreal brook]

0.0.3

• Removes 2 files that should not have been in the mod

[unreal brook]

what if i did the turbo omega evil thing and give all the episode aigis gatekeepers the weakness evaders

accslop

[covert frigate]

Do it

[minor reef]

🥹 🥹 🥹 this might be the worst change ever

[hexed acorn]

This is sovl so DO IT

[lament warren]

So how's the Tanaka skip reimplementation going

[open geyser]

horrible idea, do it.

[flat current]

I actually feel like it wouldn't be as bad bc you have direct commands for everyone so you have full control over whether to go for their weakness or ignore it

[coral hornet]

It's really not that horrible

For one, innate Ag gets more play for hit rates since that thing practically caps at 50s

Secondly, the way sukukaja is buffed in comparison to FES' negates the benefits even further

[unreal brook]

episode aigis will not be getting clock revamp

script uncompilable

i can put stuff into vermillion clock however

[unreal brook]

have to debug every floor number after a battle now because unlike journey, splitup crashes on ending floors

[tacit yew]

what kind of somnium is this

[unreal brook]

idk

[unreal brook]

oh yeah im keeping 13 level limit on great clock in episode aigis

because you can buy clock spawn now

[minor reef]

did this game always put a missing person right before the full moon that shinji is part of 😭 this is EVIL for making me go to tartarus 2 days before HJDHFKSDFHJKSDHFKSDFKSDHFKSDFK

this mod so far has like. Genuinely brought back a lot of my passion for p3 and like surgically implanted it into reload idk i thought id be skipping all the story stuff since its my 4th reload playthrough but im genuinely just having so much fun

[tacit yew]

thats so awesome

[coral hornet]

Yeah

The missing person dates are identical to P3P's

[minor reef]

oughhh the first hermit charge being uninterruptible is so annoying

shinjiro is kindof ass for this fight 😭 😭 😭 😭 hes getting out dps by koromaru

[unreal brook]

months where people can die are vanilla, the only "harder" deadlines are earlier and also pushed earlier not later

[minor reef]

i seeeee i guess it's just been too long since i've played reload

[unreal brook]

episode aigis is kicking my ass (good)

its been fun testing it tbh

[tacit yew]

Itching to play reload but p4 has me by the scalp

[minor reef]

the ken theurgy nerf is Insane

on mq i never got to kens 2nd awakening so idk if its different but holy shit man 😭

[unreal brook]

yeah i was trying to balance it out a bit

its naturally capped to 2 targets so i added heat riser and gave him endure + enduring soul equip

idk if it's a little too situational though

[minor reef]

i do think soo 😭 i just think theurgies probably shouldnt be something that you really need to fish for situations where you even have targets ykkkk

it IS strong if you can ever use it but

being 100% unable to ever use it on the mc is a little bad imo

[unreal brook]

i did suicide strats once to abuse the walls and it was fun but yeah not being able to affect mc and himself is maybe rough

[minor reef]

its a shame bcs i do like the idea that its hard to actually use but once you use it you get even more insane value than his regular theurgy

but it does really break the flow of combat you're gonna be stuck with it at max charge for like, a lot of turns

[unreal brook]

yeah the idea was making it an insane bounceback

i even considered giving charge

[unreal brook]

well keep in mind his attack theurgy is also considerably better now

you just gotta down

[minor reef]

hmm yeah i didnt really think of the fact this is intended to make it so you have a use for both

[unreal brook]

with shift boost/amp and the down bonus it should hit quite hard

maybe out of luck in bosses but then yukari is a good option there

[minor reef]

im probably gonna start looking for a clock to give to yukari/junpei somewhat soon since i had to drop yukari for how much her healing was getting outclassed by my mc

i didnt really mind toooo much since i think healer/support mc is fun

[unreal brook]

you do already have divine grace on her right

[minor reef]

i havent used her since like lovers 😭

[unreal brook]

ah

[minor reef]

oh my god bruh 😭 😭 😭

this might actually be worse than shift amp thoughhhhhh

but i kinda want that as equipment if possible so i dont need to use a specific persona

[unreal brook]

shift amp is insane, i wouldn't replace it with evasion

[minor reef]

im gonna refuse this siegfried anyways once i have a higher strenght slink rank

this is good for an auto heat riser ingredient persona

[minor reef]

dude the music store is SOOOO good 😭 😭 😭

i am a bit bummed that its a repeating schedule without stuff like the jazz club teammate skills from p5r but still being able to just pay for half a clock instead of gambling is, So good

🥹 🥹

[unreal brook]

yukari usefulness spike

[minor reef]

dude

this might be the first time that i genuinely dont even think i was at fault at all like what on earth am i meant to do here 😭 😭

its really awful to put this liike 3/4s into a long bossfight

its obviously like, meant to be really bad damage that you're meant to outheal while trying to kill it in regular gameplay but with 2 turns nobody can survive

and its not even like mind charged or something its just regular megidola

[unreal brook]

🤔

what level

i don't remember struggling all that much

[minor reef]

60

and you can see from the screenshot its attack is down but my def was also upped 😭

i didnt even get a turn action in but it wouldnt've really mattered if i tried to revive my team because it wouldve gotten rid of my defense buff and at minimum id have half theurgy

i think the devs pretty much want you to just spam theurgies at this statue given that it resists everything but of course that wouldnt really mean anything when they dont pierce here

i DOUBT jack bros would kill it lol

[minor reef]

if anything i might even be a little overleveled, i found having the disadvantage of ken getting knocked down pretty much every turn didnt hinder me nearly as much as it probably shouldve in jin/takaya

but the single statue still deals my entire health bar for everyone that isnt my mc

[minor reef]

tbf its not as much struggling with the fight itself, i tried again and got to this point fairly quickly now that i knew what i was doing but there still isnt really anything TO do once i get here

i tried making ken guard to try and use his revive theurgy but his endure was already gone and even a guarded hit from the megido leaves him at slightly over half health, which is enough for the 2nd megido to kill him

genuinely feel like this is just a spot where the 2 turns dont work like, at all

[unreal brook]

i'll take a look

[minor reef]

i killed the statue after getting extremely lucky with dodges on yukari who had ultimate support from ken and then in the very next turn My evade dark decided not to proc

🥹

that one actually was my fault, had i just applied makarakarn while charging kens theurgy i probably wouldve won

[unreal brook]

oh right sukukaja and sukunda might actually be a good strat on that statue

evasion isn't that rare with the buffs up tbh

[minor reef]

moreso the issue that even if you DO rely on this, not only do you have to get lucky but you specifically have to get lucky with your mc

or else even if your whole partys alive with their whole theurgies, you still lose

i also had gotten lucky with a crit into an aoa that did SO much dmg since it could ignore resistances, oughhhh im never gonna get that lucky again 😭

[unreal brook]

i do remember having been able to tank

its fine though i'll nerf in 1.0

[unreal brook]

oh right, orgia mode pierces and you can also use megidolaon, jack bros, or somesuch

i'll still nerf but i think i used rebellion blade lmfao

alternatively, break spells

[minor reef]

Rightttt it just seems like break spells would be the most reliable and still force atleast 2 turns when this wants you to beat in 1

I haven't played reload in a whileeee though 😭 😭 😭 😭

[unreal brook]

did you manage to beat hanged actually

[minor reef]

i didnt and i got a LOT of stuff in february irl so i havent had time 😭

but maybeeee soon ish ill keep trying

[unreal brook]

well if it ends up being impossible even with orgia/Jack Bros/break/megido I'll hotfix a nerf

[minor reef]

@unreal brook Dude. 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

2nd try

why the fuck does jack bros do SO much dmg I Wasnt expecting that

i mean it WAS concentrated but still, it did like over triple what orgia did

But im FINALLY freeeeee 😭

So i guess strategy is just Make sure you have concentrate on hand and try to make sure you dmg hanged man before in a way that lets the mc act (like elizabeth high counter but less strict)

[coral hornet]

If it's anything like the original, you can shift to MC with a crit

[minor reef]

its fairly unlikely but hanged DOES cast revolution in the phase beforehand and obv you can do it yourself

i would rather not rely too much on luck that far into the fight but really the rest of hanged isnt like, very hard at all 😭 so its not a huge deal

[unreal brook]

ez

[minor reef]

chidori fight is crashing when she uses maragidyne in the first turn, but this might actually not be the right thread, it says the log was saved to ue4ss?

this mod shouldnt touch any of her anims or anything so if its related to ue4ss its not an issue with this?

[unreal brook]

turn off protag weapons/ue4ss and see if it crashes

(obviously unequip any non-sword)

[minor reef]

😭 😭

what the fuck i tested a random save and its like. crashing at just random points of battle

it couldnt manage to load fuuka's theurgy charged cutin and died

[hollow roost]

Is that on Linux or windows

[minor reef]

linux

[hollow roost]

Well ue4ss is being used by something thats making it die there

Are you using costume framework mayhaps

[minor reef]

im gonna disable everything and re-enable until it doesnt crash

[minor reef]

i am

Does it die with it

HHDFSDHJFSDHJ

[hollow roost]

No but it uses ue4ss

I haven't tested chicory specifically but maybe(?) it does somehow. Ill test on windows and deck when im home.

[minor reef]

i managed to fix it by disabling the ps4 hq cutins???????

which shouldnt touch ue4ss like, at all should it 😭

the chidori crash wasnt even during a cutin animation it was just a regular summon but its fixed too.?

😭

it worked perfectly fine before today

[unreal brook]

certified

you did say you haven't touched reload in a while

maybe it was the fes ost update again

[minor reef]

😭😭😭😭😭 it genuinely could've been

i also don't remember getting any crits in hanged man boss now that you mention it, i couldve literally just have missed the crash and then got hit with like the 2 week long story section HJDSJHFSDHJFKHJSDHJDFHJKSD

[unreal brook]

[hollow roost]

no but I forgot if the game crashes while ue4ss is active ue4ss will grab the dump

so it can seem like ue4ss is crashing when it isn't

either way glad you found the issue and that it isnt caused by me

[minor reef]

😭 😭 😭 😭

[shrewd lily]

oh hello that's me

yeah I made a user help post and everything

no one ever gave me a fix so I just disabled it

[minor reef]

same here, i find it just really strange that itd randomly start to crash now since it seems like its just a video mod? but Whateverrrr i guess

[shrewd lily]

Linux moment sadly

[minor reef]

omllll omnipotent balance SUCKS 😭 😭 😭 😭

i feel like i can do it if i prep a little harder thoughhhhhhh

unrelated to anything but i wish clocks were easier to spawnn, im changing around my party more so ive actually really needed the level ups but it means ive also literally not tried boosting to great or boosting stats at all, just because i cant afford missing out on keeping party members viable

[unreal brook]

boost to great is kind of a trap tbh, i added it because i could

anyway if it makes you feel better you can spawn clock for 7 frags in episode aigis

i mostly used stat boost at the start where everyone was equal level and at the end where the exponential gains boosted junpei like crazy

protip dump all your incense into the person you're boosting because it's a multiplier

[minor reef]

i seeee i see

i think ill probably only really get mileage out of it in like, 1/31

😭

[minor reef]

this IS really good thoughhhh

Kinda wish it was in journey but i get why it isnt

[minor reef]

oughhhhh minotaur nulla is SO hard on this

i kinda feel like i can cheese it if i manage to get null light on some of these personas though my thor ALMOST makes it literally free

[unreal brook]

oh yeah i do not remember what i did here

i think you can freeze it?

blizzard edge into scarlet havoc

or

king and i into electric onslaught (it's phys here)

possibly better to do it with mitsuru because at this point you have both shift boosts and the damage increase is massive

[coral hornet]

Pro tip

If the guy lacks null freeze but nulls ice, you can freeze that thing with breaks

[unreal brook]

[minor reef]

thats what im Attempting but the dmg is kindof too high to really get a good strategy going

though i get it really low, its just about outdamaging it 😭

im prettyyyy sure i could like literally do it right now if i made sure mitsuru survives the first attack (somewhat underleveled)

but im Already comitted to getting my null strike, elec, bless thor 🥹

[unreal brook]

yeah sure if you can null every relevant element that's a strat

you'll end up underleveled for nyx but thats just life lul

[minor reef]

atp its probably good if im a liiiittle underleveled, unused party members aside shadows in tartarus are ALWAYS fleeing

[coral hornet]

Depends

This one changes based on progression right

[unreal brook]

oh yeah thats like

a problem

i rescaled every guardian and boss, but rescaling every regular shadow felt unecessary

[minor reef]

ohhhhhhhh that makes WAYY more sense

[unreal brook]

if every tester ends up having randoms flee the entire game starting at tziah then yeah

i'll have to fix

[minor reef]

Yeah bcs like, i havent been grinding or anything but i get fleeing shadows and i never used to

that makes sense

though the fights dont feel like too easy or something

[unreal brook]

i basically did the exact opposite of the other rebalance mods

[minor reef]

its mostly just, the level stat boosts it wouldnt affect balance toooo much i feel

[unreal brook]

instead of nerfing xp i scaled everything to the expectation that you have every possible boost at the time you could've gotten it

i ensured every boss is never more than 11 levels higher than you

its literally impossible

[minor reef]

i think thats more fun tbh HJDFHDJFHJD

You can just do more diverse stuff

[unreal brook]

i did mandatory battles only with no boosts

in mod menu

curved around that

[minor reef]

ahhhhh i see

no yeah bosses so far have been like super well balanced in terms of levelling

[unreal brook]

if you do bosses only, somewhere around Arqa you'll start to get gapped in levels, and from the third block onwards you'll always be 11 levels below the enemy

which, coincidentally, is also the level at which level scaling is the most punishing

1.5x damage taken

if i could extend the table to add more levels i would've fully copied metaphor's

slightly deeper in level difference damage is like 3x or something absurd

[minor reef]

thats INSANE 😭

[unreal brook]

yea its really just the randoms that are problematic ig

a third of the game with them all perma distressed is something to look at

but you also have ambush

sooo

[minor reef]

it makes it even more brain-off to just get my apt pupil siegfried with deathbound 😭

[unreal brook]

tru

you need to hit them on the back im pretty sure

[scenic heath]

you might know already, but you can change the level range they get scared per floor here in BF_FldInitScript_299_all. i remember seeing it before and wondering why the fuck they coded it like this.

this is why they never get scared of you on premade tutorial floors, by the way. those floors have the level difference range set to 99 instead of 10.

except for the lobby of tartarus. where, if there were shadows there, it would be 7.

[unreal brook]

i did not know that thank you

might still be smarter to raise their levels anyway, but with the xp curve being the way it is that's also a good solution

[scenic heath]

no prob. something interesting to note right above it is the reaper timer. so, if you wanted to do something like, for example, have the reaper randomly able to spawn 30, 60, or 90 seconds sooner than normal... not that i'd do something like that.

also fun to note that the reaper's spawn time is, on average, approximately 4 (死) minutes

[flat current]

fascinating... is that how dark floors handle the reaper spawning instantly

[unreal brook]

purchasable instant reaper

[scenic heath]

yeah, dark floors have the timer as "10 seconds + 5s per each floor room" (the screenshot above is modified to 3s) when the base time is normally "180s + 5s per room".

and, if he's following you from the last floor, it takes a flat 25 seconds for him to get his fat ass up the stairs

[tacit yew]

hey hes on a diet

[minor reef]

oughh

it might even be TOO strong this is crazy

i got to the top of tartarus unsure if ill do monad boss before or after nyx

[unreal brook]

i mean beating nyx takes you straight to march so

[minor reef]

well yeahhh but you can just reload

also since there's a harder version of nyx i thought itd be expected to do both?

[unreal brook]

I guess? There's 3 versions of nyx

Normal has no requirements
Hard requires the Elizabeth item
Hardest requires the blue envelope from beating merciless (and Elizabeth's item? i think)

reloading your save doesn't work for that but you could mod menu the item

that is some big cbt though, if you mod menu access to it you might as well mod menu access to the antique shop too

[minor reef]

hmmmmm ill see, im on track for having all slinks maxed so im not too worried about missing stuff from the antique

it's interesting that it requires beating merciless since i imagine most people would start a new save for this

alteast i did so i don't have any Ng+ stuff here

[unreal brook]

it's based on holding the item rewards from those feats

there were more triggers but i cut them

like beating the reaper, having the colorless mask, saving chidori, completing shinji's story etc

each would add one step of difficulty to nyx

since the third stage is already absurd, i just cut it there

[minor reef]

i seee it probably wouldve been way too much

[unreal brook]

I also thought about letting you have a cognitive shinjiro on 1/31

didn't do it

[minor reef]

that WOULD be really cool for Ng+ honestly

[unreal brook]

there's a few complications, but maybe

[minor reef]

1/31 with the clock being free and stuff already is kindof just the game letting go of a lot of limits

[unreal brook]

yeah it becomes sandboxy, i guess new game plus + saving shinji is a valid trigger

you're already level 99 and shit in ng+ so might as well

[minor reef]

yeahhhh, he wouldn't even really be that good compared to others really but itd just be cool to have the option

[unreal brook]

with his current kit certainly not lol

[minor reef]

Also btw for fighting nyx are you expected to be level 99? im wondering if i should fight the reaper before or after doing nyx

[unreal brook]

well idk he does have good shit if you clocked him to insta 99

[unreal brook]

base nyx assumes you did everything except Elizabeth

level 91

reaper xp is also nerfed

you can try without if you want

[minor reef]

ohhhhh i didn't realize, that's good i thinkk

ill try without for base nyx

And then with reaper for the harder ver

Well obv it's a requirement JSHSHS

[unreal brook]

well harder version has the exact same stats, but acts more and more viciously

[minor reef]

i seeeee i guess level wouldn't matter as much as just trying to outheal thenn

[unreal brook]

Formidable: 2 Turn, 3 on Hard+ (Unlocked after beating Elizabeth)
Terrifying: Forces Merciless to activate, 3 turns, when using Arcana Shift, it will also immediately attack once, outside of its turn (Unlocked after beating Elizabeth and holding the Velvet Envelope)```

if you beat a phase on terrifying mode with the last person in the party, it will arcana shift, attack, then have its turn, and attack 3 times

[minor reef]

oh my GOD That is actually really punishing 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

but this sounds fun it's just something to deal with and keep in mind

[unreal brook]

yeah it's stupid and ng+ for a reason

like actually unfair

[minor reef]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[unreal brook]

the regular and hard versions are fine

You don't know the pain yet of going to death phase, having it instantly Apocalypse you, crit, then sweep three times while you're down

oh right i changed apocalypse

[minor reef]

this SUCKS 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[unreal brook]

sweep and sunder used to be almighty but I got lazy

it's slash with affinity pierce again now

which works fine, because boosts and stuff

i think? unless i changed it again

if it makes you feel better night queen works at panic mode hp levels like in fes again

how i prevented certain abuses/skips however, well, I'm gonna let you see for yourself

(it's more funny than clever)

Spoiler: ||Death phase has 120k HP, but takes 10x damage from all sources, making it take the same level of damage as it would from FES, without fixed damage skills such as Armageddon working. This lets you Armageddon pesky phases for a panic skip, but not death. It also looks dramatic af because every number gets big||

[minor reef]

i seeeee

I wanna find out for myself Jdhhsjsjs

[unreal brook]

have fun

[unreal brook]

https://x.com/droolvana/status/2031113151471571386

[silent fossil]

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Crazy how much better the dorm looks with proper colors that don’t actively try to blind you

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[unreal brook]

jumpscare

[edgy flume]

The FeMC mod UI is more blinding than the dorm ever was

[unreal brook]

eh the current colors arent as bad

[edgy flume]

Did they reduce the contrast finally?

[flat current]

yes the new colors are a lot nicer

they were always placeholder tbf but the new colors are pretty

[glass patio]

Can’t wait for the TV World in P4R to be too blue lol

[opaque sundial]

Why blue

[hexed acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-4-persona-4-remake-persona-4-meme-p4r-persona-4-revival-gif-148067087733776242

[toxic tiger]

is continuing a save with this mod viable at all?

like i had a master quest save after the first full moon boss i wanted to continue with this mod

will it be broken?

[open geyser]

i think it would be unwise to use a vanilla save for a mod that changes balancing in significant ways
as either the game can be difficult
or easy as hell
or even something getting broken

[toxic tiger]

Well it’s not vanilla it’s a the master quest mod save I had

Might be easier by accident maybe

[unreal brook]

very unwise, the game does setup stuff using the calendar and all

new game+ with merciless (deleting progress) is the only one i can say won't be too much of a problem

[minor reef]

i got the fucking nyx charm full heal 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

It wasn't death though so it's not a big deal but it's really funny

[unreal brook]

actually happened to a player

[coral hornet]

Pro tip

Fallen Noble's Armor has Unshaken Will

[wet jetty]

lmao

well update on my playthrough
I'm almost at unlocking fuuka lmao

I do not have the time to play

but I'll try to hurry up

[glass patio]

For some reason my game keeps on crashing, have all the dependencies

I really just wanted the updated textures lol

[unreal brook]

are you sure ue4ss is updated

[glass patio]

It is

[wet jetty]

I got a ran out of Vram error

that's odd I never got it before

well thanks tatarus entrance

wait a minute

no

I ran out of space

on my c drice

so that's why shadowplay died

I thought it was a spoilers thing because it literally died when I met shinji in the shady part of the station

[unreal brook]

lmao

[wet jetty]

okay I decided I'll do something stupid

as soon as I get cendriolion with scalot havock

I'll kill the reaper

and never mind

I got killed by a normal ass shadow

[wet jetty]

is this intended?
I let junepi go to the next floor turns out it's a miniboss floor junpei just looted one of the chests???

[unreal brook]

It's a known exploit

I'd have to manually block split-up on all floors before a boss, which isn't very nice

I did for episode aigis because there it literally crashes the game

but it's fine for journey

[thick narwhal]

hi

installing p3r

im gonna try this

[unreal brook]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thumbs-up-good-great-okay-gif-3834693388862500286

[thick narwhal]

i think i got everything

[unreal brook]

pretty sure yes

haven't gotten far in the episode aigis section yet since i have a different project to upload (soon™)

[thick narwhal]

apparently i installed your saves at one point

hmmmm is this mod on merciless going to be merciless or p3r merciless

[hexed acorn]

Since it aims to be more like FES, I'd say it's a slightly harder P3R merciless

[unreal brook]

merciless is more like regicide

you'll take 3x damage from weakness and 2x from crits (you do not have the bonus)

hard and merciless gives (most) enemies an extra turn

it's not brutal or anything but you'll definitely feel a difference

[hexed acorn]

Oh I didn't know you overhauled it that much

[unreal brook]

check the changelog lol

[tacit yew]

john refes

[thick narwhal]

is it only dorm and nyx that have visual differences or are there otyher places too

[unreal brook]

i fucked around a bit with night areas

mall lighting is more orange, strip mall is also a bit more orange, shrine has all the blue removed and looks a bit more like fes

you can also access port island station at night now, but there's nothing checking the time of day (except the café which i added)

that's a bug i'll fix later since you can just avoid using the movie theater at night

[thick narwhal]

i have a new condition where i do RB+A to try and skip dialogue like its yakuza

[unreal brook]

real

[thick narwhal]

my dumbass went here to save

[tacit yew]

portablepilled

[unreal brook]

trolled

[broken totem]

sorry i had to

[shrewd lily]

me when i have erectile dysfunction

[civic haven]

cant have erectile dysfunction if you dont have a penis B)

[shrewd lily]

nah i totally got a big ass schlong wdym

[civic haven]

this was a joke about me actually

[unreal brook]

going back to episode aigis after like 3 months of p5x being the only persona shit i play

"just like mainline" my ass

[unreal brook]

its actually so funny how, by virtue of changing the base difficulty and skill stat values, episode aigis is kicking my ass without me even touching the enemies because of just how much better the battle design there is

soul hackers 2 staff ftw

we dont talk about the jonkler

[coral hornet]

Majority of them just used FES' design

And they actually can take a hit, tanky enough in comparison to your tools available

For some reason, ??? isn't made like that

[hexed acorn]

I'm more confused by this statement. Were SH2 devs involved in Episode Aigis development?

[coral hornet]

That's not really all that surprising, they shuffle mfs around

[hexed acorn]

That's understandable, I was just expecting the same mfs that did base reload did EP

[coral hornet]

They kinda advertised that gameplay is handled by maniax somewhat, same goes for music

Why Kozuka made Don't

[hexed acorn]

Hmmmmmmm

Interesting

[coral hornet]

Well whoever made jonkler needs to be shot

[hexed acorn]

I always heard mfs saying that EP combat felt much better than base reload. But never understood the reason why it's different.

[coral hornet]

Don't fix what's not broke, just take into account what the players can do

Although if you ask me, what players can do still wins at the end

Look at that, phys

They can take a charged Akasha Arts combo tho, HP isn't inflated badly but the fact that everything's deleted like that shows an inherent problem with skill balance

They didn't touch those

Magic's best thing is just this

There's no vulnerability or anything to help its case

At least they can be frozen and shocked for this example, everyone else isn't most of the time

Also they do have some legit stinkers in there decisions wise

Notice how SEES members got nerfed because they learn a lot of skills way later

Ken is somewhat immune to this, but Metis is even more so

They wanked the hell out of her by giving her really good skills early

Her equipment are also better by a long shot

Ken, he got lucky he's given Aigis' best offensive moves

Even though Yukari has more precedence to get those based on FES and PQ/PQ2

Metis got Aigis' best defensive moves

Everyone else? Fuck you you get your best skills way later

Especially Akihiko

The narrative there is fatlus made akihiko too stronk in EY so they nerfed him!!!

But in reality, they just illustrated that Akihiko's reliant on a really early access to Gigantic Fist to get good for casual players

He doesn't have that in EA anymore

39 vs 54

Fucking 15 level diff

But at least he and Junpei and the like, y'know, have good skills at endgame

Yukari got absolutely jackshit

Bro if she got Salvation, it would have helped somewhat

[hexed acorn]

She gets jackshit in base as well so I'm not surprised

[coral hornet]

Yukari subconsciously making Fuuka work harder with Salvation would have been a thing

Would have also helped a bit to make Healing Apex make sense

[coral hornet]

Midsuru got her Vorpal Blade from FES which is hilarious

That was the only move addition for a member that didn't come from Aigis

Koro got nerfed to shit because Getsu-Ei doesn't exist

The intermediate move before Tempest Slash is now Aigis' Swift Strike iirc

Oh speaking of which

The way they handled re-unlocking second theurgia is stupid

We dunno how they do it, the theory is it's determined the moment you created the savefile or somethin'

But the unlock order's random

It's a by pair basis

Being random is dumb as balls

Koro is especially hit hard by this

Power Howling's all bro got, and Revolution

Yukari could potentially get buffed or shat on even more by this mechanic too

The best first unlock is Metis/Fuuka btw so lmfao

The worst one is Junpei/Mitsuru I think

[flat current]

junpei/mitsuru was the first one for me iirc

[unreal brook]

sh2's director was the battle planner

[coral hornet]

Means we kill him

Made jonkler

[unreal brook]

you don't really know that

could be mandated, could be a team

[coral hornet]

Kill the team for good measure

[worthy otter]

So with this mod taking some things from Metaphor, do we still get a game over if the door dies? Or is an actual party wipe required now

[unreal brook]

party wipe is fundamentally bad design in a persona game, so that will not be implemented

it's still a persona game, the only elements of metaphor are more related to backend numbers because it's closer to a modernized hashino game

[unreal brook]

showing ailment affinity in scan would definitely go such a long way

i lowleveled the cocytus 9 gatekeeper by abusing charm/fear

dont think it would be possible otherwise

[warped saffron]

will this mod have an actual chidori fight instead of the scripted event that currently exists in reload ?

[unreal brook]

already does

[scenic heath]

it's unfortunate they seemingly wanted to overhaul chidori's fight for reload but gave up. she has some placeholders for a theurgy animation explicitly labeled "Cut".

[coral hornet]

Isn't that just her appearing on Junpei's theurgia

[unreal brook]

there's player files for chidori but it's for the junpei thing

[coral hornet]

this thingy

[glass patio]

is it possible just to have the visual changes lol

[coral hornet]

Junpei doesn't exist in one frame of this theurgia which is funny

[scenic heath]

not the player files, the "A_SC0213_BTL0141_BASE_TheurgiaBCut" files. there's 6 of them grouped with chidori's battle animations of her t-posing at various heights.

(all the theurgy animations are labeled with "cut" like that, actually, scratch that part)

oh, no, wait, yeah, the very last one is actually that animation she does for junpei's theurgy. so the 5 other ones exist to hide her from the camera, i guess???

i'm not sure why she has a separate animation corresponding to each of the 6 animations junpei does in the theurgy. unreal engine jank, maybe.

...REGARDLESS, she has other unused battle animations like being ko'd, so the point stands the fight was probably intended at some point in development

[covert frigate]

Might’ve been due to time constraints…?

[unreal brook]

nah, deliberate cut

there was no time pressure on the game

[covert frigate]

Ah

[unreal brook]

another update

[snow anchor]

P3r got updated?

[unreal brook]

only affects exe

[edgy flume]

Surely they fixed the dorm finally

[opaque sundial]

Again why

[unreal brook]

refestival isn't affected

https://tenor.com/view/fernando-alonso-aston-martin-alonso-baby-dont-hurt-me-gif-8144227941446879861

[opaque sundial]

You’re lucky

[thick narwhal]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HE0spcpakAARCv0.webp

good

mine auto updated

[broken totem]

old exe file is in #p3-modding-chat so you can downgrade to fix

[shrewd lily]

you're just that goated

[unreal brook]

Caina 14 Judgment Sword is hilarious man

tempest slash oneshots aigis

"okay maybe it's because i changed it to fes values"

i turn off the mod

oneshots anyway

might be level difference

[coral hornet]

That one's kinda overturned normally

It one shotted me first try

Didn't get to move

Cockturne type shit

Was kinda happy seeing it

[unreal brook]

yeah i was worried its my fault but its actually good vanilla content

idk if i can beat it without grinding with the current mod parameters tho

[coral hornet]

Poison the tower, distress the sword

Unless you nerfed the hell out of poison, the tower would be light work relatively speaking

[unreal brook]

poison is quite nerfed, distress relies a bit on luck

[last frost]

I Sukunda the sword so that it's more likely to roll less hits with Tempest and Blade of Fury. Can be difficult though because the giant will keep it topped up with Sukukaja. Actually one of my favorite bosses because it utilizes that otherwise unknown mechanic.

[coral hornet]

The tower's dead first for me

So it didn't get that chance

It still hit like a brick regardless of that though

[unreal brook]

might actually be an ultra rare case of good ai_tar_notid(1) usage

[coral hornet]

Ken was rocking base armor, thinking of it

[tardy abyss]

Question about the mod will there be away to just use reload dorm textures instead of fes' im one of few that likes how dorm looks in reload i just wish it wasn't so saturated.

[unreal brook]

i dont understand what you mean

the textures aren't literally copypasted from fes, it's still mostly reload's but changed a bit

the walls used to be but not anymore

if you want vanilla dorm you can just delete all the textures yea

[tardy abyss]

Oh might need to do another playthough with the mod sorry

[unreal brook]

Nerfed Judgment Sword:

• On Hard and Merciless, on its second turn or during a 1 More, it will use Fatal End on a random target, rather than doubling down with another Tempest Slash or Blade of Fury

[unreal brook]

targeting highest hp might be smarter but random makes it exciting

[unreal brook]

oh jesus i actually beat it

that was not easy

basically had to line up freeze with king and i/mitsuru and get really lucky with every proc

charged orgia mode + some extra lucky damage kills sword then the tower is mostly a cakewalk

almost died to its panic ziodyne at the end but i dodged

might be a little unfair/require a small amount of grind on heartless but it's not impossible at level 41

[unreal brook]

after some datamining it looks like second theurgy unlocks in episode aigis are determined by which character is highest level in your party

so in most cases always metis/fuuka first

i could in theory force every upgrade to play out at once, but i can't recompile the desert of doors init because of missing functions, so i guess you'll just have to use this knowledge to manipulate it instead

i'll probably just test the rest of the game without using second theurgies until they're all unlocked

[unreal brook]

oh right you can't not use revelation

🥴

[coral hornet]

That is fake as hell

Is it average of the pairs being pitted against everyone else or

[unreal brook]

changing justice to bless has been quite funny

because of pierce removal best friends has actually become useful since some keepers end up nulling all 3 elements aigis can use

also i havent touched a single gatekeeper yet, the level curve is almost identical to the modded one i made for main story

[unreal brook]

i made ??? pretty fun i think

i was debating letting him use every persona and not just the ones in your party but i think letting your composition change the fight is a neat detail

esp with 3x weakness taken

persona change on 1more is also neat

[coral hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[unreal brook]

yes actually

[coral hornet]

You'll see something

[unreal brook]

yeah ik what you're going to do

it's probably oneshottable with setup, i tried to make sure of it

you can karn strats trismegistus phase but it wont do all that much

junpei/koro and aki/ken will give 0 exp

yukari/mitsuru will give the exp of all 3 fights combined

you can then buy clock to push the rest up for erebus if you need

[coral hornet]

No I'm not thinking one shot lmao

[unreal brook]

you can't really abuse the resists

though if anything it's a bit easier to abuse on the offense side since you can down with magic now