[P5R PC] Royal Restoration Project (SPOILERS)

[tall lintel]

:,3

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

[slow wren]

I had to double check it wasn’t used when I found that

[noble echo]

i don't know what to believe

[tall lintel]

[slow wren]

oh the talk of chat icons in #p5-modding-chat reminds me...
isn't there an unused chat message from Sae, and it defaults to Alibaba?
we could reimplement that and use the icon from strikers

[tall lintel]

she has a text icon in p5s??

[slow wren]

yea

[tall lintel]

man i should really play that game at some point lmao

[slow wren]

hello you are being subpoenaed

[tall lintel]

girl is more pissed than anyone else

get her some therapy

[slow wren]

I like this icon of Sophia too
Normally she's happy but she looks so done with your shit

[tall lintel]

joker i said i wanted to order a gold bar you fuck

[golden frost]

"STOP ASKING HOW I GOT THE ETH TO BUY IT"

[golden frost]

she does?

[slow wren]

i'm trying to do something myself for once but if I'm adding a BF to an existing event without one, how do I tell the event to load that BF, which it apparently isn't? (I put in a Scr_ call in the EVT which does nothing)

[slow wren]

also yeah I think it's some point in the game's epilogue

[golden frost]

it should either have path specified in the evt (what the fusion cutscenes do) or have the same id
Scr_ calls a specific procedure by index, index should just go in the order you put them in file i think but if youre merging or something you can force index by ending procedure name with _index_X
i think if you have an event bf then that might require 0th procedure to be eXXX_YYY_init or something but im not sure

[clear gazelle]

It requires a bitflag to be set in the EVT.

[slow wren]

I have done all that

[slow wren]

ah that sounds right

do you know which one?

[golden frost]

what scene is this btw

[slow wren]

it was gonna be a surprise

[clear gazelle]

It's possible but annoying to do this in EvtTool, if you're not using EVTUI -- the 1st (not the 0th) bit in the header Flags field needs to be set to 1.

[slow wren]

but I can say if it helps

[clear gazelle]

(In EVTUI, it's done by setting Enable Init Script in Script Settings.)

[slow wren]

can you show me where to get the right version of EVTUI? Whatever was linked on amicitia wiki said it was deprecated and didn't work

[clear gazelle]

Oh, that's EvtEditor. Not the same tool.

[slow wren]

well the other one should be added to the wiki

[clear gazelle]

https://github.com/DarkPsydeOfTheMoon/EVTUI

[slow wren]

thanks

[clear gazelle]

(It doesn't have a release yet, which is why it's not in the Wiki.)

[slow wren]

oh

[golden frost]

no release yet bc no render preview

yeah

[clear gazelle]

Early access 😅

[golden frost]

https://discord.com/channels/746211612981198989/1216244753239248976

[slow wren]

I mean I could try it with evttool but idk what format the first field is in to change that bit

[clear gazelle]

I think you could do it by taking whatever number is in the Flags field in the header and doing an | 2 with it. e.g., 100 | 2 = 102. (That'll usually be the same as just adding 2, if the bit isn't set.)

[slow wren]

oh makes sense

bless them for putting easy CLI instructions to build the program

[golden frost]

them is ajda lol

[slow wren]

no that's a totally different user with a psyduck pfp

[clear gazelle]

True....

[golden frost]

by any chance would the event be adding bad end option to the scene leading up to depths bc thats something i kinda wanted to do lol

[slow wren]

no

[golden frost]

darn

[slow wren]

the event isn't that so you can do it

unless you meant darn that you guessed wrong

[golden frost]

darn in that i guessed wrong

[slow wren]

ok which field specifically is this

[clear gazelle]

Should just be called Flags in the header of EvtTool output, I think.

[slow wren]

mine doesn't have that

[clear gazelle]

Hmmmm....

What fields do you have?

[slow wren]

I figured out which one it is though

[clear gazelle]

I'm referencing the source code, so whichever release you're using could be older.

Oh, nice!

[slow wren]

it was just called Field18
I guessed it was that one bc the value was in hex

[clear gazelle]

Lol, reasonable.

[slow wren]

@golden frost he was forced to mod on switch

did you make a repo for this yet? I guess I can put it there. Even if it doesn't use the file emulator stuff, it should still work, right?

[vital harbor]

yo!

[vital harbor]

the repo is in the pins, but what's your github I'll add you as a contributer so you don't have to pr

[slow wren]

chubby-bub

lol

[vital harbor]

nice

[slow wren]

I wanted to try Muhen next so I decompiled Kichijoji... wtf atlus

[golden frost]

mob_cunt

[vital harbor]

sent you an invite

I'm going to bed push what you want

[slow wren]

thanks, goodnight!

[clear gazelle]

(I forgot that you mod on Switch... I may poke you for info so I can get EVTUI to be compatible with P5R Switch 👀)

[slow wren]

yeah I had to give up on using it for now bc of that lol
lmk if you need help I would be glad to if I can

[clear gazelle]

Yeah, whoops 😅 Just knowing what the full path patterns are to the various EVT-related files would be the main thing. EVT/ECS, BMD, BF, ACB/AWB... the paths to the character models... if you can share any of that over in the project thread, it would be a huge help!

[golden frost]

should be the same as pc, yeah?

[clear gazelle]

Nah, Switch has just the one main CPK, iirc.

[slow wren]

sure
it seems to be a bit simpler than PC in some places

[tall lintel]

mob WHAT reset???

[slow wren]

bruh muhen is called JUZZMASTER

[golden frost]

oh i thought you meant like path in cpk

[clear gazelle]

It may just be that I'm missing the top level directory... which I think corresponds to the separate CPKs on PC?

[golden frost]

switch has multiple cpks wdym

[clear gazelle]

Most stuff is just in the one with an additional top-level directory, though, no...?

I'm like, 80% sure. There are additional CPKs but they're largely... not content-ful.

The directory structure is really all that matters, plus whether or not the CPK needs to be decrypted like the PC version does.

[golden frost]

crifs should handle decryption, no?

[clear gazelle]

It does, but I need to know whether to use the decryption function or not.

[golden frost]

i just sorta told aemulus to use it and ive not had complaints yet

[clear gazelle]

Hm, then I assume no encryption 🤔

[golden frost]

the unpack function looks like this, i dont even check which game its unpacking i just do it lol
i think if theres no encryption then setting it just does nothing?

[tall lintel]

from what i recall from when it first released there, p5r has encryption everywhere except switch

i could be spreading misinformation on the internet

but i think that was the case

[clear gazelle]

Feels true 🤷

[slow wren]

I didn't edit shibusawa at all but I went to see what he says anyways and idk why this happened

[tall lintel]

wow it's that guy that i literally forgot about because he shows up 3 times total

[golden frost]

old decompiler versions will rarely just sorta fuck up speaker labels i think

[slow wren]

the decompiled version is fine, must have been the compiling

[golden frost]

(as an aside do any of yall have a save where youve not yet gotten shinya request, ive just remembered ive been sitting on that kindness check fix for like months)

[slow wren]

I just downloaded a group of save files someone made for each palace, and another one modded to have 100%/maximum of everything possible

hmm we should add back in this dialogue where the other thieves line up to dunk on Mishima https://tcrf.net/Persona_5/Unused_Text#Unused_Mishima_Rank_7_Dialogue

[tall lintel]

please do

[golden frost]

i feel like having every party member comment on it would kinda drag lol

[slow wren]

that's probably why they removed it
counterpoint: it's funny

[tall lintel]

nono

you don't see the vision

mishima yaps TOO FUCKING MUCH

let him deal with too much yapping for once

:3

[slow wren]

it's like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnWxAClwGqo

[tall lintel]

[golden frost]

but hes not the one dealing with it, we are

[golden frost]

if u mean save file collection the saves arent super documented beyond the palace theyre at

[slow wren]

oh so, the sae chat message I was thinking of is part of a group wherein on White Day, instead of just getting a direct prompt, you'd get a message from each girl asking if you have plans. Sae has one for some reason (not romantic but it refers to a nonexistent event).

also I know this mod exists separately already but I remembered the outfit dialogues. (Was Faz going to include that?)

[tall lintel]

there's an outfit dialogues restored mod, but it leaves everything untranslated

[slow wren]

tcrf also shows this
idk if it really makes sense to include https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeHi1pGbL5U

[golden frost]

its still in the files?

[slow wren]

at least the text is

@runic mist can you tell us more about this?

[runic mist]

oh thats funny. I recently talked about it with pan ( yesterday )

its still in the files yeah but its a field script

it also opens a door but no clue which one

[slow wren]

Does it actually open a door though or is that just what it would have done?

[runic mist]

no clue!

[slow wren]

Thing is if it doesn’t actually do anything then it’s really more of an "early version" thing that probably isn't worth including

[muted holly]

Be fun tho

[golden frost]

ended up just making a modder help post

[slow wren]

why does compiling stuff now turn the text into just @ signs
I never had this problem before

[golden frost]

u dont have to recompile bf on switch if it helps, though you do have to put import("nameOfTheOriginal.bf"); at the top of the flow along with importing msg

have u tried reinstalling script tools also

[slow wren]

is this a format thing
I remember I had issues with V1BE or whatever
this one's editing a message inside a BF though

[slow wren]

do I need a particular thing to be able to do this?

[slow wren]

ok idk what I did differently but it seems to have worked now

the test message was also a funny

which I posted in #p5-modding-chat
now I have to fix kichijoji but I am tired so that is for tomorrow

[golden frost]

im realizing now that when i sent that i reflexively assumed aemulus user, but now that ive showered i feel like i remember you saying you actually use loose file loading

so uh. scratch that if true lmao

[slow wren]

[golden frost]

still have no idea if latest commit on my fork is broken lol
ig if anyone wants to be guinea pigs they can but im not gonna be held responsible if shit dun work

[slow wren]

Maybe I should try aemulus though bc if I am going to contribute stuff to the repo, it should probably be in the same format right? Since you guys are using file emulators

I guess the main reason to do that would be compatibility with other languages

[golden frost]

thing is the way release aemulus handles bmd merging is way different, and bf merging is nominally there but doesnt work to my understanding
(my fork overhauls both to be more like how the emulators do it as well as more efficient in general...assuming my untested commits work)

[vital harbor]

being compat with switch will probably come at the cost of language support

tbf the only other language we're supporting so far is jap

but most languages should work since this is mostly a script edit

but things that need translation from jp won't be supported

[golden frost]

you could probably do language patches for switch although i should point out that aemulus only supports efigs

[golden frost]

oh yeah, on this note, i remembered them bringing it up in the p5 artbook lol that i definitely own yes siree

yeah sure you didnt, thats why they coincidentally share vas in both jp and en

(well. actually i can guess how that could happen, like maybe someone pointed it out after design was done and pstudio leaned into it, or the people casting vas assumed it was on purpose)

the artbook is so funny sometimes like what were they cooking here

[vital harbor]

dietman

i like the names they give characters before they come up with real ones lol

[golden frost]

i mean it is called the national diet

its basically just the equivalent of a congressman

[vital harbor]

i know

[golden frost]

chihaya is still called "uranai" (fortune teller) in flowscript lol

[slow wren]

this would be incredibly strange for Shido but we kind of get it for Konoe

[cursive walrus]

Is this still going on? I’m really interested in this mod haha

[golden frost]

ive been busy with college and some other stuff but i do intend to keep poking at this lol

i assume likewise for raven

[slow wren]

same

[golden frost]

thread goes quiet for a couple days "is this mod dead??"

[cursive walrus]

Oh, I understand. Sorry for bothering you, and I wish you the best in your studies

[vital harbor]

yeah p much

and life in general

i am not chronically on my pc

my pfp implies otherwise but lol

i was gonna ask what needs to be done though

that i can do

i was thinking of starting with the voiced third semester mementos stuff

but that's gonna take some event editing. but it's just dialogue so it should be fine

idk how to go about the audio though

[golden frost]

wisteria already broke voices off into their own mod though

[vital harbor]

that was just maruki and the reality rejection stuff iirc

[golden frost]

no

[vital harbor]

oh alright nevermind then

[golden frost]

i was gonna try moving some of the options to using remix actions so that they only need be compiled if actually enabled (to save on boot time), ive just been busy

stuff like hangouts that all hook the same function(s) are prob still gonna be flowutils assuming it , just bc theres no other way around it short of locking them to specific days (which wouldnt be hard but i dont like the idea of them being easily missable in a mod that specifically exists to let you see them)

[vital harbor]

flowutils still doesn't work for me lol

[golden frost]

well you are linux user so your machine and mine have pretty noteworthy differences

[vital harbor]

does it work for you?

[golden frost]

i was gonna check but busy

[vital harbor]

theoretically there should be no difference considering the way it works on linux, i.e proton being a mini windows emulator

again theoretically

considering the weird model loading problem on proton... not excactly

[silk jacinth]

if its an emulator that means theres a chance it wont work the same way, as emulating something isnt the same as running that thing on native hardware

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-franziska-von-karma-gif-10695777

technically wine and proton are compatibility layers, not emulators

but you can still have MANY issues with them

switch 2 is a great example, a lot of games work just fine but there's a few that had random gamebreaking issues or just other random issues

i play pizza tower on my switch 2 and everything works fine but the tv sprites for the noise are the wrong color for some reason

basically, do not expect everything to work just how it does on windows

even if some or most things do seem to be working as intended

[vital harbor]

hello wisteria are you going to do this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKYrwNANxUE

i can't find the hall of grail one for some reason

[silk jacinth]

probably

although it depends on how much work it'll be

because im lazy

[vital harbor]

if you don't feel like it i can do it

[slow wren]

Is there a thread for your project?
ngl I feel like it should still be part of this one

[vital harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYP4VQE0tnA i just found this

very random cut

[silk jacinth]

https://discord.com/channels/746211612981198989/1425524419429662834

[vital harbor]

if wisteria wants it to be their own project it can be their own project

[silk jacinth]

my sentiment on it is unchanged, i dont really care if you guys yoink the assets from my mod and put it in this one

[slow wren]

Well obviously it's their choice

[silk jacinth]

just credit ofc

[slow wren]

Maybe they can be "sibling mods"

[vital harbor]

i think what bub is saying that it shouldn't be seperate at all

[slow wren]

Yeah

I think people want the "unused content" stuff together

Like Faz's mod was going to be

[silk jacinth]

well its going to be, i was planning on releasing it as a standalone mod before this large cut content project got any steam going

again if you want to include the files you are free to do so, i dont mind

[slow wren]

That’s fine

We'll focus on the other stuff for now anyways

[vital harbor]

i can go ahead and switch some of these bfs to actions instead of flowuitls quickly here

i just need to know how bf emulator paths work... lol

[silk jacinth]

huh

dont you just

dump them in femulator

[vital harbor]

no no i mean like

i was having trouble before with my other mod

[silk jacinth]

how so

[haughty fossil]

raven

....?

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#[P5R PC] Sumire as Protagonist/Joker as Faith Arcana Story Overhaul (SPOILERS)

[vital harbor]

that's bmd emulator but bf and bmd emulator work the same

[tall lintel]

[silk jacinth]

why are you defining two paths

[vital harbor]

i eventually got to just one

[silk jacinth]

bmd emu just needs the path for the msgs

then you use probingpath for the dummy files

[vital harbor]

like use cri fs

[silk jacinth]

also you dont need an FEmulator folder you could just move the BMD folder up one

yeah

[vital harbor]

i see

[silk jacinth]

you can look at how i did my configs

should be on my gh

obv it wont apply 1:1 since its c# and doesnt use remix toolkit

but the idea is the same

[vital harbor]

i'm assuming this

[silk jacinth]

[vital harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

[golden frost]

didnt u ask me about this and i said you had wrong ass number of args or smth

[vital harbor]

yeah but i didn't knwo what you meant by that

[golden frost]

that ur passing two arguments to a function that takes one

[vital harbor]

dafuq did the harem maruki ending shit go in the config

oh well i'll make it again

[vital harbor]

ok done

yay

from now on flowutils is only for things that edit the same function

i'll push this to the repo rq

i was looking up how to commit to github and um...?

who the fuck is looking up how to commit tax fraud on fucking duckduckgo

[slow wren]

https://tenor.com/view/yoshi-mario-yoshis-island-super-smash-brother-super-smash-brother-n64-gif-21681448

[timber helm]

The bigger question is why the fuck is anyone using DuckDuckGo in the big 25

[slow wren]

how to commit someone to mental hospital

[haughty fossil]

see the voices at least made sense here imo since they are a substantive event edit to implement
the max rank items and thieves' den unlocks arent even close

Chubby Bub

centrally yes but it was also adding back in the voiced dialogue, unused requests, Akechi's glove, etc

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#More Thieves' Den Unlocks

[slow wren]

yeh mainly I was thinking it because of the skytree and the convos. You're right. I had said there are unused items that would make sense to add back to Iwai's shop but that I don't think that should be a part of this. Maybe I'll try making my own mod with the NG+ items, Sojiro's key, and those

then rename this "Royal Event Restoration Project"

[golden frost]

i got outvoted on "restored events" so

[slow wren]

well I thought we hadn't settled on the scope yet...

Thus in the grand scheme of unused content restoration mods, we have:

• Events (this)
• Voicelines (Wisteria, possibly included as an option here)
• Akechi request (exists on GB)
• Futaba request (could be stretched into events with the other, or made separate)
• Thieves Den (oceanstuck, includes additions as well)
• Outfit dialogues (exists on GB)
• NG+ items and other stuff (me... possibly)

oh and DeathChaos had done the lunch events but perhaps, if they agree, that should be a part of this since they are events

[vital harbor]

the masses hath spoken

I still like royal restoration otherwise

but in any case no more arguing about the name lol

[golden frost]

i was about to ask if the akechi request one would share a procedure with the futaba request but it seems like it just forces the chat that starts the request to play on a set day

[slow wren]

yeah
Futaba's needs some dialogue fixes and the existing one for Akechi said they had to implement some

[vital harbor]

I think futaba request being separate, in theory, sounds good, but really all it is is a scheduler edit lol

so a whole mod for that... idk

[slow wren]

yes which is why, in spite of one being a pre-existing mod, I think both should be included here. They're in the same spirit as events

[vital harbor]

ye

I agree

I think futaba and (our version of) akechi request can be included

[golden frost]

oh, i think one of akechi request's bf edits is bad too lol
looking at these, they seem to just be full decomps of the bf instead of proper hooks, even though i can find the bf in my dump

[vital harbor]

I'm a bit conflicted on the items

[golden frost]

so prob best to do both anyway

[vital harbor]

lol

I suppose we can ask for permission to use the existing one and just clean it up

[slow wren]

Sojiro's key has no effect on anything.
Akechi's glove fits in naturally (though the item name and description probably should be changed to the singular)
Maruki's paper would require changing Shibusawa's dialogue a decent amount
Sumire's baton would require adding in Hiraguchi as an NPC entirely, and giving her dialogue

[vital harbor]

that's where I kimd of think it should be separate. that's like, making new stuff idk

[slow wren]

If you want to include items, the first two are the only ones that would work, but I feel like it'd be better to have them all together separately

[golden frost]

if were making a mod for the requests after all (separate or not) then id prob want them to unlock either at the start of january free time or after clearing maruki palace, same as the used ones

[slow wren]

I think the latter

IIRC the existing mod just makes it happen on 1/24

[golden frost]

actually is there a specific timeframe for the futaba one, i forgor

akechi one obv has to be in january

[vital harbor]

I thought akechi's request was during sae's palace?

[slow wren]

no

[vital harbor]

rip princekechi content

[golden frost]

im remembering that futaba already has a used request in january lol

[slow wren]

from what I remember of the quest it wouldn't have to be in january

futaba's I mean

[vital harbor]

oh you're right akechi's request is called on 1/24

faz's video makes it seem like it's fully functional and translated

[slow wren]

AFAIK it is

[slow wren]

but is that just a decision the mod creator made or what

[vital harbor]

no faz's video has it on 1/24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlXaqn-SZcc

morgana at the end... ough

[slow wren]

is faz's video of that mod though

[vital harbor]

no\

it says in the desc that he got it working with mod menu

[slow wren]

so where did 1/24 come from

maybe they got it from his video

[vital harbor]

maybe the event date table

@runic mist i summon thee

[slow wren]

it's a chat though

[vital harbor]

why is it 1/24 faz

personally i'd have it much earlier, closer to the beginning probably when you're going into mementos since it's required

[slow wren]

Akechi's dialogue is way too passive aggressive to be during the casino arc

like he is there but not this much

[vital harbor]

so after you get to the checkpoint at maruki's palace, i'd have this chat be called

so you can get this done when you're going through the required mementos trip

fucking hell third semester needs to be longer

[slow wren]

go tell rumi's parents to give her a different birthday

[vital harbor]

there's two (?) other requests called when you get to that point in maruki's palace

shouldn't be hard to just hook into that function

[golden frost]

i was inclined to put it after you clear the palace

like what else are you gonna do in that time (besides max sumire, get any third awakenings you dont have, and the two used requests that also unlock at that time)

[vital harbor]

i suppose it can go there too

it depends on which floor the shadow is on

if it's higher up i'd put it after you clear the palace. if it's lower the first checkpoint

[slow wren]

I think it's Da'at 10

[vital harbor]

not deeper higher

i forgot that mementos is backwards lol

[slow wren]

the other one is akzeriyyuth I think (which actually implies it isn't third semester)

[golden frost]

i feel like hed probably wait until he has nothing better to do before springing the request on you lol

[vital harbor]

how far into da'at do you have to go to find where maruki is controlling mementos? is it at the very top?

[golden frost]

yeah

[vital harbor]

oh huh ig it doesn't matter then

[slow wren]

I think after the palace is infiltrated is better

[vital harbor]

i think i agree

i actually forgot more requests are given to you after you clear

[slow wren]

because the whole request is basically akechi messing with the thieves about their MO

[golden frost]

ive been bringing those up the whole time!!

[vital harbor]

doesn't akechi try to shoot maruki lol

[vital harbor]

i know i didn't know until you said it i meant

[golden frost]

tbf you also shoot maruki (in the mask)

[slow wren]

akechi's jelly

[vital harbor]

joker purposefully misses

i think

...lol

(can a cognitive gun kill a real person?)

[slow wren]

https://tenor.com/view/1a-lex-luthor-superman-nicholas-hoult-directive-gif-4999344869440911527

akechi if he was doing the fistfight

[vital harbor]

akechi protag core

[golden frost]

also like the pts get shot at all the time in encounters and you can just dia it off

[vital harbor]

then wtf was akechi doing lmao

force of habit

[golden frost]

maruki was actively morbing

[vital harbor]

maybe akechi didn't really intend to kill maruki and was just trying to look like he still wanted to kill people

[golden frost]

besides it wouldnt be the only random small thing in this game that stops making sense if you think about it too hard

[vital harbor]

can't have a palace and a persona at the same time

except if the place came first. you know.

cuz that makes sense

[slow wren]

it always got me how Lavenza just ignores Morgana when he asks about that

[golden frost]

are we counting "first" as "before first videotape" or "before last videotape"

[vital harbor]

she gave her creation misinformation

[slow wren]

was azathoth just chilling as the palace ruler

[vital harbor]

i hink there was a shadow there until maruki awakened to his persona. maybe the shadow would've turned into azathoth?

[golden frost]

tbh plausible your main persona is just your shadow but cooperative

[vital harbor]

yeah

we literally see futaba's shadow turn into a persona (and her palace stays sooo)

[slow wren]

considering the thing with Rumi is what led to his Palace in the first place, it must have been his Shadow he heard the voice of but it was like partially a Persona already

[golden frost]

i mean his whole thing is cognitive psience bullshit and he was already on that before first tape so its not that out there lol

jonkler sees his shadow like two seconds after getting the metanav, before he actually uses it

[slow wren]

haru hasn't awakened but she also has because we need her to be beauty thief

[vital harbor]

maybe he had like a halfway shadow persona thing. it was said all he needed was to go into the metaverse. so really he was already awakened just not officially

[slow wren]

P5X also has a weird thing with like a proto-Persona

[vital harbor]

fucking p5x

[vital harbor]

this was so stupid lol

[slow wren]

P5X also has ||two people sharing a Palace|| what a neat idea I am glad we will see it developed in a game that prioritizes story

[vital harbor]

woah that's sick

tbf i was always under the impression sumire's cognition merged with maruki's, and the shadow we saw wasn't a cognition but sumire's genuine shadow,

[slow wren]

aforementioned spoiler is ongoing in the current story so while the reasons for this are technically known it's not in global and I want to wait to play it rather than read about it from poor translations of the Chinese version

[golden frost]

i always kinda figured palaces were on a scale from strictly individual to collective with no specific person as ruler, so...

[slow wren]

you know it's a cognition because it has empty pupils

[vital harbor]

oh rip my headcanon

[slow wren]

though cognitive ann doesn't so idk (they probably just forgot)

[vital harbor]

that was the first palace. a lot of things were retconned after kamoshida

like the need for a distorition as a keyword

i.e kamoshida, pervert, castle, shujin

after that it was just the three

[golden frost]

my personal handwave is that the metanav doesnt need every word, just enough to narrow it down (yknow like real search results)
which is also how sumire can bumble into marukis palace without saying his given name

although really i doubt pstudio thought about it that hard

[slow wren]

look at their eyes

[vital harbor]

ooh

sumi's smiling portrait is so cute

[vital harbor]

send akechi's fuckass cognition portrait

i hate it so much

[golden frost]

there is a deep seated wrongness to the faces it makes

[vital harbor]

the fuck was a cognition of sumire telling her to remember doing in maruki's palace then? did maruki like steal that part of her and it manifested as a cognition?

[vital harbor]

i don't even like the real one

[slow wren]

they forgor to do this with ann and shiho despite making a new portrait for mishima

[golden frost]

someone make that mod

[vital harbor]

ok so all they do is take the sparkle out of their eyes. for akechi they made his pupils smaller

they said stop looking at me with those big aaah eyes

[vital harbor]

you can't pay me to do bustup editing

[slow wren]

it's an interesting analogue to the Shadows' yellow eyes

[vital harbor]

iguess the missing sparkle makes them look more lifeless

[golden frost]

well they are effectively dolls wearing a real person's face

[vital harbor]

ew

[slow wren]

fun fact, despite being their only face the artbook calls cognitive Ann and Shiho's expressions うっとり

which is like "entranced" or "spellbound"

[vital harbor]

random question: do you guys think akechi had a palace?

[golden frost]

like, in the game's backstory??

[vital harbor]

i think no because if a palace has to come first, it would've never developed because he was contracted by shido at 15 when he'd already awakened to his person

[slow wren]

but you can't have a palace and a persona!!!!!!!

[vital harbor]

fuck you

LMAO

awakened to his person

i'm not changing that

[slow wren]

the only evidence at all that the missing Palace was Akechi's is the weird shadow dialogue

[vital harbor]

*which was probably during a different point of development considering there's very little of it

i think for when akechi was gonna take sae's place

[golden frost]

i still think that fuckass nonrule is only there to handwave why the pts dont try changing akechis heart in november lol

[vital harbor]

but they also give another explanation that they "need to cut the head of the snake" so like. even if they had a palace... they shouldn't have done it anyway

[slow wren]

Ryuji's phone can't take photos of the cognitive slaves
they filmed the whole calling card in the Metaverse though
I'm chalking it up to Necronomicon or something

[vital harbor]

i accidentally called akechi by they/them

[slow wren]

what about the Thieves Den too
it's "My Palace"

[golden frost]

even if they still wanted to fake jonklers death for the drama, changing akechis heart and getting him to help them with it would eliminate the chance of jonkler dying for real

[vital harbor]

ok but it's cool

[vital harbor]

akechi maruki moment where he tries to stop the pt in his own palace

i had a discussion with my so about what his palace looked like. i said a chess board with everyone as chess pieces

[golden frost]

tbf i doubt thieves' den is canon

[slow wren]

akechi velvet room is a jazz club where you fuse personas by having the attendant mix drinks

[vital harbor]

that is fucking sick

i think in a fic i read it was a courtroom

[slow wren]

what does yoshitsune taste like

[vital harbor]

uhhh

sword

wait he has to drink the drinks to get the persona lol

imagine akechi has a male attendent because he's GAYY

[slow wren]

I felt compelled to post this here sorry

[vital harbor]

the tohrb

fucking all igor does in p5 is sit there

lazy ass

after p4 he said i'm done makling personas

[slow wren]

fun fact this portrait is unused but they used it in P5X

[slow wren]

if he handled the guillotine it might cut off his nose

[vital harbor]

look who isn't standing in the bath anymore

[vital harbor]

[silk jacinth]

[vital harbor]

ops

ok that wasn't the problem lol

[silk jacinth]

can you send your yaml

[silk jacinth]

also use constants for the apis....

[vital harbor]

why when copy paste exists

[silk jacinth]

it looks better

also theres an indent error

[vital harbor]

i see

[silk jacinth]

see if this fixes it

[vital harbor]

yamls are so sensitive

[silk jacinth]

what are you using to edit it anyway

vscode shows if the yaml is fucked up or not

[vital harbor]

wdym

oh

regular text editor

[silk jacinth]

[vital harbor]

i don't wanna open vscode just to edit one file

thanks that worked lol

[silk jacinth]

worth it for markup that looks good imo

yamls arent really supposed to be edited with regular text editors anyway

[vital harbor]

i suppose i can change them to open with vscode then

[silk jacinth]

either that or the very least use notepad++

which still isnt that great but you can see indent errors easily if you use collapse

[vital harbor]

no notepad++ on linux

[silk jacinth]

wha

[vital harbor]

yeah

[silk jacinth]

huh

[vital harbor]

i thought they had a linux version too. they don't

[silk jacinth]

i always thought it was for some reason

ig it would be redundant to put it on linux though

theres like a billion text editors

[vital harbor]

i use kwrite which sometimes has correct formatting lol

it only detects some flowscript files as c

ugh fuck you localization framework

it uses the same args as file emulation i thought

[silk jacinth]

ive never used it through the interface

public void AddDirectory(string dir, string modDir);

think you're missing the 2nd param

[vital harbor]

idk what that means...

[silk jacinth]

just feed {ModDir} to the 2nd param and see what happens

either that or null

[vital harbor]

what

[silk jacinth]

which is what i did for ryo api

[silk jacinth]

add - '{ModDir}'

[golden frost]

also so you only have to change things once instead of 12 times

[vital harbor]

just mod directory? nothing else? lol

[silk jacinth]

...just see what happens

and if it breaks try null

[vital harbor]

you mean like this??

[silk jacinth]

no

add, not replace

[vital harbor]

it was already there

oh

i see

[golden frost]

is this for she/her pronouns in akechi refuge bc i dont think you need localization framework for that lmao

[vital harbor]

nope lol

[silk jacinth]

ok just try nulling it

[vital harbor]

no i'm trying to add a spanish translation someone made for it

[golden frost]

oh

[silk jacinth]

forgot how exactly the with part works but try this

also close r2 and reopen it after editing it

just in case

[vital harbor]

bruh

[silk jacinth]

although idk if itll work

[vital harbor]

nope

[silk jacinth]

well

    /// Adds a directory to Localisation Framework so it's like the files were in FEmulator\L10N.
    /// There must be appropriate language subfolders in the spcified path, such as `{dir}\ja\...` for Japanese files. 
    /// </summary>
    /// <param name="dir">The directory to add the files from</param>
    /// <param name="modDir">The base directory to the mod that the localised files are for</param>
    public void AddDirectory(string dir, string modDir);```

also no i have no idea what that description means

[vital harbor]

yeah i read this and went... huh

it's implying second param is just moddir

[silk jacinth]

it should be so

[vital harbor]

bruh

i'm going to bebd

[silk jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/cataquack-picmix-mario-cataquack-mario-goodnight-gif-7881826249568288304

[slow wren]

why cataquack

[golden frost]

goes to change all the dependency apis to constants
oh thats a lot of actions, im tempted to just convert to code mod if it goes on long enough lol

[runic mist]

because my save was there

[vital harbor]

I see lol

[vital harbor]

the localization framework directory isn't correct there too apparently

maybe you can figure it out idk

the cri fs probing path might be able to be removed if we shove all the empty files into p5ressentials

idk if that'll work though

except for akechi shelter, since that edits the evt

[golden frost]

if you shove allat into normal persona essentials directory then itll just replace any disabled option with dummy file

[vital harbor]

yep

[golden frost]

it should be the namespace and interface name of the api youre trying to use, no?
as seen in the respective mod's source

[vital harbor]

well it's complaining about the directory

not the api name

[golden frost]

also the examples on remix toolkit readme have directory arguments end with / though idk if thats anything

[vital harbor]

doesn't change anything

[golden frost]

(also i gotta figure out how to make a publish script so i dont gotta copy shit back and forth from my reloaded install every time theres a change)

[silk jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/cataquack-mario-cataquack-gif-cataquack-edit-whatever-go-my-scarab-gif-14894567505490095055

[golden frost]

ok i managed to shit out a batch script that takes repo folder and reloaded mod folder as arguments
it basically just runs robocopy to mass copy shit from one to the other, idk what the equivalent on linux would be though

[golden frost]

im vaguely wondering if localization text can just be put in the regular l10n folder irrespective of options, since i dont think it should be used if the english file its localizing isnt

[vital harbor]

mmm idk

[vital harbor]

about this, I can probably quickly convert it to bash. not much difference between bash and powershell

[golden frost]

technically you can use this to make any two directories mirror each other though mind the options

[honest harness]

woah theres a lot of stuff to go through here

[vital harbor]

most of it's yap

ok instead of robocopy i'll use rsync

bash script. just gave it to chat gpt and told it to use rsync lol

[tall lintel]

quick question for y'all working on this in this thread

are you doing events only or are you doing stuff like unused attacks in battles (there are a few) as well

[vital harbor]

events

[slow wren]

That is an interesting idea though. I know several bosses have such skills— it'd need to be programmed into their AI, though.
We decided this mod will just be for events and the two nearly-complete Mementos requests, but there are several other "unused content" mods that either already exist, are being made, or are just conceptualized that could go well with it. That's another idea for it.

[tall lintel]

yeah i was fighting shadow sae and read that the physical and gun slots on the wheel will never be picked, despite there being unused moves for those two slots in the game files

[golden frost]

isnt sae omega hardcoded or is it just the bgm change for some reason

[vital harbor]

I'm p sure the first two element rolls are randomozed

[golden frost]

yes and

[vital harbor]

wdym

[golden frost]

element wheel can be both randomized and hardcoded, im not sure how your statement contradicts mine

[vital harbor]

oh I see what you mean

ohhh

sorry about that

[golden frost]

i think fastest way to find the fields i need for will seeds might be to turn on file logging and then warp into them with mod menu lol

[vital harbor]

didn't i send a list of all the fields

[haughty fossil]

raven

Kamoshida:

• 1: Old Castle 3F: 151_001
• 2: Roof: 151_006
• 3: Waterfall Room: 152_005
  Madrame:
• 1: Museum 2F: idk? I wish amicita gave the actual fucking names of of the floors
• 2: Treasure Hall Gallery: 153_007
• 3: Main Treasure Hall: 153_009
  Kaneshiro:
• 1: Banker Passageway: GIVE ME THE REAL FUCKING NAMES AMICITA
• 2: Laundering Office: 154_014 or 154_011 (hallway)
• 3: Underground Vault: 154_005. Idk if the will seed room has a separate field?
  Futaba:
• 1: Chamber of Rejection 2F: 155_007
• 2: Chamber of Guilt 1F: 155_003
• 3: Chamber of Sanctuary 2F: 155_006
  Okumura:
• 1: Facility Passageway: 156_003
• 2: Export Line: 156_007
• 3: Transfer Line: 156_005
  Sae:
• 1: Staff-Only Area: 157_008 or 157_005
• 2: Slot Room: 157_010
• 3: High Limit Lobby: 157_011
  Shido:
• 1: Mid-Strarboard Hallway: 159_020
• 2: Lower Port Hallway: 159_030 or 159_035
• 3: Side Deck: 159_011

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[golden frost]

you complained about the amicitia documentation sucking so the idea of checking myself was stuck in the back of my mind

[vital harbor]

only for a few

but double checking could be wise

but like there's the fields there for you to check

[golden frost]

yeah

game gives me that one jose reward that makes you invisible to enemies so i could probably just...leisurely step through the palaces if i wanted

[honest harness]

The unused Disguise mechanic?

[golden frost]

how would you even begin to restore that lmao

[honest harness]

I mean it was repurposed as an accesory

[slow wren]

what did you mean about it

[honest harness]

Oh no I just remembered that reward was reworked from that cut mechanic. I thought he was gonna talk about it. That's on me my bad

[slow wren]

oh ok I think ocean meant you were suggesting reimplementing it entirely

[golden frost]

yeah lol i assumed on account of this being a cut content project

[honest harness]

No no god no...that sounds like a pain to even try to reimplement

[golden frost]

like idr for sure how much of it is left but i dont think its enough to really restore lol

yeah

[slow wren]

the scope of this project is like the body of an amoeba

[honest harness]

I think there is a decent amount of it left in original but only few things remain in royal either way it seems worthless

[honest harness]

Which part is the mitochondria.

[golden frost]

doubt by comparison still has the reverse and break states along with a morbillion leftover assets, theres just no way to trigger it in final game without mods/hax and nothing that actually checks for it

[honest harness]

-# honestly im really glad that mechanic was scrapped

[golden frost]

me when im actively making a mod to add it back

by "actively" i ofc mean i havent touched it in a while and dont remember what i was doing

[slow wren]

the powerhouse of the cell... ocean and raven are doing most of the direct mod work
I don't think all amoeba necessarily have mitochondria but I don't feel like getting into microbiology right now

[slow wren]

In this sense I'm "actively" working on my assignments

[honest harness]

Amoeba do have mitochondria

🙂

Wait so how far along are yall on this.

[golden frost]

theres a repo in pins but tl;dr a bunch of hangouts and some other events

[slow wren]

Well it’s actually being worked on I can tell you that much

https://tenor.com/view/ralph-wiggum-simpsons-hi-bye-gif-16529059407582436389

I should try to do the Futaba request maybe

[golden frost]

remind me i gotta figure out remix actions

i might spend tomorrow binging a game because ive been desperately desiring a break but i do want to get to that lol

[vital harbor]

i feel kind of proud that i'm being called a mitochandria

[vital harbor]

same tomorrow i was thinking of just chilling

espec cuz i'm going somewhere in the evening

[golden frost]

yeah

also on the subject of doubt i think there should be consequences for ghosting your friends actually
the p3fes implementation just sucks due to the combination that and no platonic route for waifus

[honest harness]

Jealousy system was weird

[runic bough]

the inability to friendzone was probably the biggest issue with the jealousy mechanic in P3 but also the poor explanation and communication of the mechanic is a contributing factor. if you applied those friendzone changes, i think it's actually pretty good overall - you would just need to be made aware of it in the first place

[golden frost]

yeah my thinking was have a little text chat warning when youre getting close to reversing someone and maybe morgana comments on it like "hey i think youve been leaving them hanging for too long, you better go sort that out" and if its your first time there could be a tutorial popup like "your confidants may come to DOUBT you if you ignore them and you wont get their rewards until you CLEAR THE DOUBT" yeah i know the popup exists in the doubt events but wouldnt you rather find out before you proc it :v

sadly i dont think additional jealousy penalty makes sense in p5 since you can only enter a relationship when that confidant is already near-maxed anyway
at least getting beat up by 9 women is funny

[vital harbor]

very funny

the best part is when ryuji texts you and joker just flops over

[silk jacinth]

you think the chocolate I got from my mom counts

[runic bough]

that's probably a good idea. I didn't say it at the time but the way I would've done it in P3 is to have the protag themselves think it. given Morgan largely acts as the protag's inner thoughts in P5 that would be a reasonable way to do it

P3 does not really warn you to hang out with people close to reversing which is another issue with it

given relationships are all rank 9 in P5, I don't see a reason to implement a romance specific timer like P3 does it. there are some workarounds you could do to kinda make it work (ex: make it so their timer is lower in general, make it so you need to hang out with them multiple times to max them out) but you do need to consider the other rebalancing you would need to do there

[golden frost]

yeah

[runic bough]

looking at royal it also does not make sense for some confidants to even have the timer in the first place. Maruki is a good example he's the school counselor lol

I would also exclude all party members and major characters

[golden frost]

yeah i was planning just the side character confidants who already have full-on events for doubt
maybe a very obvious reverse-but-not-break if you pick asshole dialogue for akechi

[runic bough]

if there are any particularly assholeish dialogue choices then I think a reverse makes sense

but I don't think P5 has any off the top of my head

(seeing as P5 just straight up doesn't have any reverses)

[golden frost]

there are a bunch of options that are rude but imo not relationship ruining in themselves so probably id either have them add up or just full on add something truly shitty at like rank 6 or w/e

[runic bough]

yeah

like I think one I can think of is joker being like beep boop to makoto

it's a dick response

but it's just insensitive more than anything and Makoto already responds in kind

[golden frost]

pinning that since i started poking at it earlier

[slow wren]

Obviously he's more harsh later but it could be worth looking at Okumura's existing lines for the way he speaks

I’m pretty confident in the accuracy of my translation but the wording could flow better in places for something being spoken aloud by a character. I was trying to be careful to capture the whole meaning.

[golden frost]

yeah the thing as you said is okumura doesnt have a particular way of speaking, at least in en, so i just kinda am trying to get down something that feels natural without losing any information

for now at least

[golden frost]

i realized i could find where to put the hook for the first kamoshida event by searching where the will seed tutorial event is called, which is apparently NEW_EX_12CE in fdoor151_005.bf

[golden frost]

ends up working on it until 2am after all im sure theres probably some mistake or lost nuance somewhere since my ass heavily relied on scrolling over words with rikaichamp but its probably reasonably natural-sounding, right?

[slow wren]

I think you improved it well. It flows better but keeps the meaning.
I would probably change "impatient to" to "can't wait to".
Also "I'm very familiar with the pain of poverty" might be able to worded better, but idk

[golden frost]

i did consider "can't wait" but it felt kinda weird coming from okumura lol, like almost too casual, although "i'm impatient" is maybe the opposite problem
"i'm antsy"? idk probably a problem for not the middle of the night me

[vital harbor]

ask amicita wiki

i changed two thigs. i changed "impatient to" to "excited to" and "I understand the hardships of poverty"

[golden frost]

the word i massaged into "impatient to" comes up as like "soon"ish in rikaichamp so "excited to" loses that time element
i think the straightforward way would be "i want to see her in a wedding dress soon" tho imo that edges into "things plenty of boomers say casually without meaning ill but to a zoomer sounds kinda :T" (although considering how that turns out...lol. lmao even)

[slow wren]

I feel like it works in this context and still sounds the best to me.

We are putting more thought into this than Atlus localizers ever did lol

[golden frost]

well the event has, as far as we know, no translation, so technically they didnt put any thought into it :V

[slow wren]

I meant into localization in general

[golden frost]

i know but i wanted to be funny lol

[golden frost]

i was about to comment on how this made me notice a typo id made but...mine doesnt have it lmao

would "i know the pain of poverty well" lose too much oomph, do yall think?

[golden frost]

tbh (en) okumura comes off to me as relatively formal among the rulers, though still less so than his daughter lol
i was honestly debating what word he should use for his father, but from what i can glean online 親父 is on the casual side and "dad" is as informal as i could think of without sounding corny and ooc (like can you imagine him saying "pops" or "old man" lmao)

imagine if his ass is using fucking kansai-ben or something in this scene and only this one and none of us noticed because our asses aint actually fluent in japanese

[golden frost]

was thinking of pointing out to the person who was talking about seed_get in modding chat last night that its actually one of those common functions thats yeeted into every palace, but then i realized if i simply ctrl+f'd for every place where seed_get is called that would immediately tell me every field with a will seed

surprised i didnt think of that sooner but uhh thanks that person who i was gonna double check who it was but they deleted their message for some reason

except for the last kamoshida one all seeds for the same palace seem to have fields with the same major id which is generally how palace fields are numbered, i would guess the oddity with the one seed is prob because the mara room existed in og but was unused

so that gives us field ids of:

Kamoshida:

• 151_005, note that the game forces you to take the seed as a tutorial and plays an event as it does so
• 151_006
• 152_005
  Madarame:
• 153_003
• 153_007
• 153_009
  Kaneshiro:
• 154_003
• 154_005
• 154_011
  Futaba:
• 155_003
• 155_006
• 155_007
  Okumura:
• 156_003
• 156_005
• 156_007
  Sae:
• 157_005
• 157_009
• 157_011
  Shido:
• 159_011
• 159_020
• 159_030
  Maruki:
• 162_011
• 162_012
• 162_016

[vital harbor]

so amicita wiki was close-ish

amicita desperately needs an update. there's slight differences between the ps4 paks and pc cpks

[golden frost]

...huh, does sp recovery from will seed vary by palace
bc i think thats what this flow is pointing to but im realizing i never paid enough attention to the actual amount of sp to notice lol

[vital harbor]

it felt so insignificant

[golden frost]

i actually put off getting them in the first palace to make sure i had enough sp to 1 day it but after the early game sp is not hard to come by lol

[vital harbor]

another one of the reasons p5r is too easy...

p6 please have a bit of challenge 🤞

[slow wren]

How about those cheese traps in Shido's Palace that seem like there's some sort tradeoff, like you get the SP but a shadow catches you, but nope it’s literally just free SP

[vital harbor]

that was a stupid decision lmao

[golden frost]

i like how in the tutorial event for those futaba can just walk up and free you with no issue

at least the mice are cute lmao

[golden frost]

theres no situation where you can buy sorrow seeds, yeah?
theres a thing the game does when checking whether to give you the crystals that im tryin to parse

[vital harbor]

i don't think so

[golden frost]

aight

[vital harbor]

you can only buy seeds after the palace collapses sooo

[golden frost]

yeah thats what i thought but i wanted to be sure (ive never sunk meaningful time into ng+ lol)

for every palace except maruki it checks a group of 3 flags and if one of them returns true it sets the flag for having gotten one of the will seeds to true, so my guess is these flags are tracking whether you bought the seed from jose?

hmm...event tied to specific seed takes probably less effort but it wouldnt be hard to force them to always play in order instead

[golden frost]

im gonna be honest this is more suspect than just saying akechi

[slow wren]

So can you only buy seeds from him if you already got at least one of them?

[golden frost]

no lol this is for checking whether to give the crystal

[slow wren]

I'm lost now then

[golden frost]

SEMI_AWAKENING_MAIN_PROCEDURE calls SET_SEED_COUNT to run a bunch of checks for each crystal (since the event for getting all 3 seeds can give multiple crystals if youre buying seeds in mementos), each ruler has a set of flags that SET_SEED_COUNT checks by passing them to CHECK_GET, and CHECK_GET looks like this

sVar1 tracks whether you have all 3 of a set of seeds, sVar2 is the bitflag for the first seed, sVar3 is presumably the "i bought it from jose" flag since its 0 for maruki only

SEMI_AWAKENING_MAIN_PROCEDURE is called both at the end of get_seed and seemingly after exiting joses shop, irrespective of how many you have, it just only actually runs the seed to crystal logic if you have all of them

[slow wren]

Ok I don’t know why I was having trouble following that but I got it.

[vital harbor]

thier

i should learn to type

[golden frost]

this wouldnt rly fit in this mod but i remember seeing the idea of taking will seeds causing a possibly permanent alert increase and i kinda think thatd be neat
maybe in like a security overhaul mod

[vital harbor]

sounds neat

[slow wren]

Give Ohya something to do

[golden frost]

there was a concept post ages ago on the idea of a security overhaul that didnt go anywhere and i joked in it about adding like a dozen new mechanics and then having ohya take them away again lol

like the link itself would still be a solid mid if were being real but the abilities might at least be pointful if alert as a mechanic werent fundamentally lacking in teeth lmao

i dont actually know whatd make itd good tbh lol, i had the idea of making it more risk/reward instead of a strict penalty since thats kinda how the morbillion reinforcements shake out anyway but idk

but maybe thats for a different ass thread

[haughty fossil]

found it lol

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i think itd be funny if the end result of all this was a mod where we just chuck on a bunch of crap and then ohya just removes it all again

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#(P5R) Make the Threat Level Meter work the same as OG P5

[slow wren]

I was looking at TCRF again— I added info on the Lavenza scene and the first Okumura scene (crediting ocean's tumblr for the discovery).
We don’t have either of these on our list and I think they would make sense to include.
There's also two scenes related to Kasumi going shopping for a present for her dad. I'm not sure how similar it is but it might be redundant given her rank 4 event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83hBJ43_Lps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y_1dfuScDY

I guess the other two might make sense to include, they were probably reworked into the confidant event but are still distinct, they just go shopping and she mentions a present but there isn’t the whole thing with the glasses.

Oh the first one has a spelling mistake with one of Ann's lines

[golden frost]

oh right i forgor the cherry blossom event

[slow wren]

It says "path A and path B" in the description… these seem like different scenes but they’re part of the same event?

The Kasumi one seems like they didn’t bother giving her bustups different expressions… should we change that? I think there are a few such other cases

[golden frost]

i dont think ive looked at those events but i dont see why not, esp if its like glaring

oh yeah i forgot to mention i pushed a pr to the repo for the will seed stuff

[vital harbor]

oh that last scene was included in rose and violet

[golden frost]

itll die if you proc e494_010 for obvious reasons, though on that note i did lightly edit the script from what i had

[vital harbor]

wdym kasumi jsut smiles the whole way through 🙂

[golden frost]

also can i just point out that the other okumura scenes are really obviously recycling shidos office field
lmao

[slow wren]

He actually had him killed because he wanted the office space

[golden frost]

lul

[slow wren]

I've overlooked some of these scenes and they should be viable.
I have no clue what this is supposed to be though. Something like Jose appearing in the real world?
I don’t think it’s finished enough to include https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkhV-5vdelA

[golden frost]

like maybe they thought the camera angle would make it less obvious but nope, i have the brainrot to clock it immediately

[vital harbor]

maybe we can find another office field in strikers lke we did with the graveyard? lmao

[golden frost]

idr, is there an office field in that game

thats not too recognizable

[vital harbor]

i don't know

[slow wren]

Uhh there's Owada's office, Konoe's office

idr if Kaburagi has one

[golden frost]

490_030 is using the shibuya diner field, all the backstory events are reusing fields lol, which isnt weird for all of them since it makes sense for them to be in that specific location but that and the office one are kinda funny to me lol

[slow wren]

But also we shouldn’t change a field that already exists

[golden frost]

i was about to say, if we use a different field then we prob have to move a bunch of other models

[slow wren]

the graveyard is a special case and really the only time we should go that far

[golden frost]

what if we clone the office field and replace the wine glasss with like books or something so its at least a little different :V

...i dont actually think it matters enough for that, its just very funny that i can clock the reused fields

i should point out that the faz video linked on tcrf for the backstory translations doesnt have 494_010 for obvious reasons

i might make a reblog of my initial post with our translation and more on the akiko trivia, is there a twt or smth you want me to link bub?

[slow wren]

uhh you can link my bsky I guess

I do have twitter but I only have it to be able to look at stuff (even if it does end up successfully getting me to engage with things sometimes)

[golden frost]

tbh same lol

[tall lintel]

(you don't need an account to look at twitter posts you can just use xcancel like me)

[slow wren]

well I originally made it back in the day to be able to post switch screenshots lol

There I made myself a bio lol

bluesky is already doing cringe tech company habits because they redesigned their color scheme for no reason but the app still doesn’t support landscape on an iPad

[vital harbor]

bluesky is corny so i don't use it

no one is deranged

[tall lintel]

they also doing censorship rules on art!!

[slow wren]

please elaborate

[tall lintel]

i forget exactly what it was but they're somehow imposing rules on mature art for "consent" or something??

i gotta find it so i can give a better answer

[vital harbor]

smh

[tall lintel]

yeah this is it lol

i have no idea how you even determine this

[vital harbor]

me when it's fiction and not real

anyway

twitter is unfortunately better

bluesky tried

[tall lintel]

i deleted twitter and my account since i saw nothing but nazi-adjacent stuff on my feed all the time even though i only followed persona creators and the occassional artist

place is a cesspool of degenerates

[slow wren]

not possible

[vital harbor]

lmao my muted word list is so long

all you have to do is curate it

block people you don't like and mute 15 million words

[tall lintel]

that means that it is not better if you have to do that much work

lmao

[vital harbor]

idc bluesky is still too corny for me

[slow wren]

why is this a bad thing

[vital harbor]

eveeryone there is too vanilla

[tall lintel]

idk all the artists on bluesky were bitching about it

[vital harbor]

censorship in general. this'll be a gateway to more censorship

[slow wren]

so you just agreed with them? lol

[tall lintel]

i didn't agree i just read what they said

[vital harbor]

oh woops hello brawler

this is why i tried to steer away

[runic bough]

fwiw it is actually possible to get that stuff off your feed. my current feed is mainly art and those sorts of posts.
I do agree with raven that twitter is better but there's a big asterisk there. i get it if people still prefer bsky regardless.

I came to say that but with that being said, might be nice to keep things on topic cuz i want to see what's going on with this mod

[tall lintel]

[vital harbor]

yeah i get 75% art 15% memes and 10% text posts

sorry brawler i thought you were gonna go off mod style

[slow wren]

apparently twitter has the exact same rule lol
but anyways I'll drop the topic for this thread

[vital harbor]

i think i have discord mod trauma

[runic bough]

nah i tend to be pretty lax as long as everyone's being civil. only thing to be wary of is rule 10 (no politics) but i don't really think that a discussion of twt vs bsky breaks that rule, it's just off topic

[tall lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-gif-19418689

brawler

[runic bough]

but imo as long as it's not tooooo off topic it's not my place to stop it

[vital harbor]

i was more worrieed about the censorship topic lol

[slow wren]

add the kiuchi emote to this server

[runic bough]

none of the staff frankly care about being those sort of discord mods, just be civil and you won't have much to worry about lol

to actually talk about the cut events though: what is E494_010?

i only scrolled up a bit

[slow wren]

okumura will seed scene

[tall lintel]

imagine a 4kids discord server (or 4kids version of p5 which would be really funny)

[slow wren]

Ocean discovered it because it doesn’t have an actual event but they found the text

[runic bough]

ahh

[slow wren]

It's of him at a graveyard visiting his father and wife

so it probably does not exist because they didn’t implement a graveyard field yet
(we are looking into stealing the one from Strikers lol)

[runic bough]

Yusuke: Masayoshi Shido... How many has he sent to the next dimension over the years?

[runic bough]

ahhh

strikers... scary

[runic bough]

I wonder if they felt like having full will seed cutscenes would be detrimental to story telling more than anything

like, they want to leave no room for doubt with the palace rulers being evil

[slow wren]

also they were written after the fact instead of Maruki's story being written around his

[tall lintel]

4kids kamoshida arc would go crazy

[slow wren]

Kamoshida said a no no word to Shiho and made her cry

[golden frost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVSqFRgs1Qw same energy

[runic bough]

rewrite the principal's death -> he gets hit by the truck but then in the background you hear "ow..." and dialogue from bystanders saying "he's hurt but he'll be okay!"

[ivory spruce]

https://youtu.be/Kl4ghsv04V0

Type shit

[slow wren]

I think it's also a bit telling that they did Kamoshida and Madarame, and then left Okumura extremely unfinished. They're the ones for whom I think it'd be easier to come up with a backstory. And the Madarame one reveals he let Yusuke's mom die, so they'd also have to change that reveal before the boss if you saw that scene.
Kaneshiro has next to no character, which is kind of the point, and Shido is secretive about everything. On the other hand Sae would be more complex because she's much more involved in the plot. Futaba already has the murals too.

[runic bough]

well i was thinking of dbz lol. even in dbz kai, when vegeta kills the random trucker in his fight against no.18, the dub adds the trucker being like, dude, my truck!

(he was entirely vaporized)

[ivory spruce]

LMFAOOOO

[vital harbor]

beyond the grave

[runic bough]

changing when madarame has the reveal about letting yusuke's mom die won't make the writing any better anyways

[ivory spruce]

I've never seen anything dragon ball I've just heard of the parachute censorship but that's hilarious

[slow wren]

His desire for his truck transcends death

[tall lintel]

LMFAOOOO

I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE

[golden frost]

technically it doesnt tell you it was yusukes mom, it just shows him committing manslaughter when a woman student has a medical emergency while working on a painting that conveniently faces away from the camera :V

[slow wren]

I don’t think it’s necessarily bad to have these backstories, but it's pretty unnecessary. The player doesn’t really care why Kamoshida became such a creep.
I also feel like Okumura's is the only good story of them because it clearly shows his warped desires stemming from good intentions about his company and family.

I guess— it's the only one that really adds anything to his character IMO.

[runic bough]

yeah this is a comment on the existing writing more than anything. backstories can work and i think they might've been nice to help make the villains in p5 feel a bit less comically evil

just like a, hey, these were normal people whose hearts became twisted by circumstances in their life

[golden frost]

i dont think sae being plot important is really an obstacle, it seems unlikely to me that whatever information theyd have put there would really change the story much. like maybe theres some extra dialogue before her bossfight, but nothing thatd seriously derail

[runic bough]

but yes it is also largely unnecessary. kamoshida certainly didn't need it to be effective as a first antagonist

[slow wren]

I don’t think it'd derail, I just meant she has the most pre-existing character

[vital harbor]

fucking dbz 😭

[golden frost]

i dont think its needed, the rulers' ultimate role is to be episodic villains representing X shitty thing in modern japanese society the writers are angry about, and theyre good enough at that
but i still think itd be nice, partly because thats the sorta thing that appeals to me and partly because i think it fits the theme of man vs society if individual villains' individual evil still has some amount of environmental cause. theyre representative of the failures of society but theyre also the result of it, even if the outcome was to make them the boot rather than the ones crushed by it

[runic bough]

I agree yea

I haven't really kept it a secret that I don't really fw a lot of the P5 villain writing. having some backstory would go some way to help make them more believable

[slow wren]

for all people make fun of the subway slammer I think his backstory was actually good

[golden frost]

tbf for a lot of them you spend as much time with their shadow as with their normal self, if not more, and character shadows in persona writ large are pretty much always hammed up to all hell, although i wish theyd done something with the fridge logic of "if these are the features of their shadows then doesnt that imply they know on some level that they should be ashamed of this shit"

[slow wren]

(for those who haven't played P5X and want to know: ||he lost baseball to an eight-year old girl and felt so emasculated he started blaming all his problems on women. that girl was Motoha who is now your party member and quit baseball because of it, and when she finds out she drops an f-bomb||)

it's still a bit silly but like hey we're actually gonna call out misogynists for being fragile dummies here

[slow wren]

the gangnam style grape hitler fly lets people kinda forget Kaneshiro was having minors smuggle drugs and heavily implied sex trafficking

[runic bough]

yeah rly the problem is you only spend significant time with their shadows and I think P5 more than any other game allows for the interpretation of shadows as their ""true"" feelings rather than what they traditionally have been, suppressed unconscious desires

[runic bough]

I think you're the first person I've seen to actually praise that backstory. I personally found it pretty ridiculous 😭

[slow wren]

I think I liked that they gave him a backstory at all because my expectations were really low
(and tbf the second palace delivered on that lmao)

[slow wren]

basically that

I was telling the plot of P5X to someone who didn't know anything about it but had played the other Persona games and he said "this sounds like most Persona thing ever"

should we reimplement that thing where if you talk to kamoshida his security meter goes up

[runic bough]

that's a thing? that's funny

oh yeah there's also cut voice lines for the 3rd semester awakenings right? but iirc the writing was a little different too?

[golden frost]

i feel like the palaces also are just...weirdly not that information dense wrt the character's psychological profile, apart from maruki, despite that being kinda the basic idea of a palace?? like yeah i get it art is just product to get fame and dolla and artists are just gristle to be churned in pursuit of those things but are you gonna tell me where that mindset came from or just leave me to believe its because Some People Are Just Bad™

apart from obviously sae and futaba they also just kinda exit stage left after their big "i have a conscience again" momento, apart from the one scene in depths that like...exists, i guess, which i feel leads to a lot of people processing changes of heart as just a Stop the Bad Guy button and not a fundamental deconstruction of ones entire value system that tends to have stopping bad behavior as a consequence

[slow wren]

to your last sentence in particular

[runic bough]

yeah I mean also. tbf. the changes of heart are functionally a "stop the bad guy" button lol

[golden frost]

tbf theres no logical reason for them to be where jonkler can see their post-change of heart character anyway, theyre all doing time lol (or dead), its just kinda 😔 for me personally

[runic bough]

is not like they do a ton more with the concept. there's the depths of mementos but I'm not gonna lie they don't really touch on it enough for it to be effective

[golden frost]

akechi request my beloved

[slow wren]

I just remember this meme which makes me mad and was probably made by someone who just played the game for anime waifu

mf those are not the same thing

[golden frost]

but tbf the cheating request is kinda dumb lol

[runic bough]

many such cases

there's many silly requests in the game where it's like. why are you changing their hearts for this.

and then they come up with some bullshit reasons to justify the need for a change of heart and it just comes off as comically evil

[golden frost]

idk what you mean, i cant think of any truly bad ones except that one tbh

[runic mist]

I have a rough translation of those sumi gift scenes in my files

[runic bough]

P5R does a bit better here though since you can talk shadows down without fighting them really. but not much better

[slow wren]

Oh this was the original post
At least all the comments were calling OP out https://www.reddit.com/r/PERSoNA/comments/zz7qfz/monthly_reminder_of_the_hypocrisy_of_the_phantom/

[golden frost]

your first mistake was checking persona reddit

[slow wren]

I found this on google a while ago
There's also this one made by an illiterate person because this issue is explicitly addressed in the game https://www.reddit.com/r/Persona5/comments/zwlmwd/spoilers_the_real_reason_why_third_semesters_plan/

[golden frost]

i fucking remember that one skob

did bro literally ffwd through all of 1/3-1/8 and then button mash through the palace questionnaire or are they just fucking stupid

we literally see how madarame and okumura would be in maruki world and its a nonissue

(plus its not like they even want to do any of those things anymore by the time maruki is on his bullshit)

[tall lintel]

persona 5 fans can't read

i thought we established that

[golden frost]

this is what i mean when i say peoples grasp on what a change of heart even is is shaky

[runic bough]

again it is not helped by P5's writing

can't totally blame persona fans for this one haha

[slow wren]

I just opened reddit (cringe ik) and ended up finding people discussing palace rulers in an unrelated thread lol https://www.reddit.com/r/whenthe/s/03meQ1zdnI

[golden frost]

i cant blame them for not grasping qualitatively what a change of heart means but i can for missing the part where the game explains maruki would not just give evil people what they want

[slow wren]

tbf Madarame is missable
There’s a lot of interesting stuff they put around the world in that week

Though I guess we see him in the ending images

[golden frost]

huh? is he not in yusukes january scene
even if im mandelaing myself on that though, yusuke definitely talks about madarame doing what he shouldve done

[slow wren]

Yeah I think Yusuke talks about him. My mind jumped to how on one of the days you can just find him in Shibuya standing around

[slow wren]

maybe they couldn’t stand the red thing and already watched the answer

lol now there was this

[golden frost]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/023/768/upload.png

[slow wren]

guys arc 6 is actually just like amogus

[golden frost]

(the red thing was p2is ui)

[vital harbor]

i hate when people compar maruki's shit to the pt chaning people's hearts

like. the pt don't do shit after the ychange their hear

that's on the person themself

[slow wren]

They are upset because it's like when their family calls for an intervention because they won’t leave their room with their anime body pillow

[golden frost]

i made a small mod for testing flowutils since i didnt feel like loading all of restoration

somehow after clearing cache the bf i tested with (leblanc fini) went from not compiling to compiling but then crashing on field init

time to shit debug messages everywhere i guess

[golden frost]

exactly once it got partway through printing test calls before dying
the other times it seems to just crash the second i try to go to leblanc 1f without printing any useful information

(i did rework how it fetches config values a bit so itd fetch library configs properly but idk that that affects anything when it just dies immediately)

[vital harbor]

yeah i booted a couple times with the mod on and it seems to spit out new errors each time

wondering if it's a bf emulator thing atp

[golden frost]

in the small handful of minutes since i said that, once became twice somehow

[golden frost]

doubtful, the file is compiling, the game just dies when i actually do the thing that would trigger the custom functions

the two times i got it to actually print anything relevant to flowutils, it successfully printed some r2 config values and then crashed without printing any remix values, though if the problem is with remix parsing then why isnt it printing at least one of the 10 morbillion debug logs ive shat into the remix parsing function. for that matter why would it log nothing at all 80% of the time

or if game is just dying before anything can be logged then that gives me literally zero info

[vital harbor]

well mine is failing t ocompile in the first place

i'll try clearing cache and see if it compiles

[golden frost]

im trying commenting out specific parts of the test to see if any of them in specific causes crash

[vital harbor]

could be it's shitting itself because it's merging with another mod

if i throw flowutils at the top of my mod load order...

i don't think that'd do anything

it gives me the failed to compile after all mods are loaded

[golden frost]

flowutils doesnt hook any files on its own, it just defines behavior for custom functions (when it doesnt crash...)

uncommenting the r2 config tests caused a crash when they worked twice before so uh. might be a race condition

[vital harbor]

what does that mean

[golden frost]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_condition

[vital harbor]

ooooh

yeah that's what i was thinking in a sense

i just... didn't know what it was called lol

[golden frost]

observations: reading more than two r2 config values, or any number of remix values, seems to cause crash...except ive seen it log three r2 values which still implies some amount of race
i can briefly glimpse my debug messages in the log window on crash which implies they are being printed, the game just dies too quick for them to be written to file (could i read them if i recorded log window with obs...? that seems like a pain though)

[golden frost]

(the functions that dont check config seem fine fwiw)

its like 2am so im not gonna figure it out tonight alas

[golden frost]

addendum: reading an r2 float crashes

[golden frost]

i accidentally passed the file path for remix schema instead of the contents

literally just had to add File.ReadAllText call

lmao

[vital harbor]

you're kidding that was the problem the whole time

[golden frost]

well thats not entirely true i also had to cast a value to float in r2 reading function so reading float values would work (apparently)

[vital harbor]

did you push everything to the repo?

i wanna see if it

[golden frost]

just pushed the two fixes lol

and this is the minimal test case mod i was using lol

wait

that one checks the unreleased doubt mod
lmao

just change the mods checked to something you have that has that type lol

hold on

functions.json descriptions might be inaccurate

right, i changed the config checking behavior to not check for enabled mod because libraries return as not enabled

[vital harbor]

ok so do or don't use this? liol

[golden frost]

it should be fine, i just need to correct misinfo in functions.json

[vital harbor]

oh this is a test mod

omg i built it and forgot to set the directory and now it's in my root directory 😭

[golden frost]

lmao

ok i fixed the functions.json

[viral sail]

loool

[vital harbor]

this happens more than you think

it's very easy since linux does a stupid and makes your default directory / instead of your home directory

well i should say when you're using sudo

[viral sail]

its very annoying

[viral sail]

looks like arch

[vital harbor]

fedora KDE

[viral sail]

ahh
im an arch user lol

[vital harbor]

hyprland?

[viral sail]

dont have a DE

[vital harbor]

[viral sail]

all cli

[vital harbor]

you have to be trolling

[viral sail]

my arch system is strictly terminal based and nope im not

[vital harbor]

you are the arch users they talk about

[viral sail]

[vital harbor]

please tell me you run windows elsewhere...

or something

[viral sail]

I do

[vital harbor]

i was worried there

[viral sail]

mostly bc anti cheat games being stupid af

im too lazy to do gpu partioning and stuff just for eac/be games

[vital harbor]

congrats, all i got was a syntax error

lemme find the log file. i set the log level for flowutils to debug as well

[viral sail]

lovely

[golden frost]

oh i see, ive been miscounting the number of closing parentheses on line 56 of scheduler_common

just like...add another ) at the end

and see if that does it

[vital harbor]

looks like an extra ) actuallu

[viral sail]

gottaa love syntax errors

[vital harbor]

you got quite a bit of missing ) after that actually

[golden frost]

no i counted

[vital harbor]

hrm

yeah ur right i was looking at it wrong

it killed itself

oh it's another syntax error

maybe i should delete the cache

it needed four )'s!

what

the rainbow

i'm sorry to say....

[golden frost]

apparently i misremembered the function name as CHK_DAY instead of CHK_DAYS

[golden frost]

vaguely tempted to have a config option that changes some used events to react if youve seen unused ones

[runic bough]

for example?

[viral sail]

that would be interesting

[golden frost]

admittedly i mostly have the will seeds on the brain, the biggest example i can think of is madarames pre-bossfight exposition/evil gloat being shortened if youve seen all his will seed scenes (because most of the important information is in the last one lol), and also smaller things like "wouldnt yusuke know kawanabes name, or at least get deja vu when kawanabe introduces himself" and "you can already know about harus grandfathers cafe when she 'first' brings it up in her confidant" and "i distinctly remember one phone chat where yusuke is like 'how did they end up Like That', which is funny but also a little weird if you can literally see how they ended up Like That"
i...assume theres prolly another scrapped content somewhere that has a similar sort of issue? but uh. i cant think of one rn lol

i figure a bunch of people would want touches that make the unused scenes feel more seamless with the game (barring ones that are just canon non-compliant from first premises lol) but thered still be use cases for turning it off

[golden frost]

...is there ever the opportunity to have a study session with sumire?

[muted holly]

Nope

[golden frost]

the different pt study sessions seem to be all in this one event (e795_001) and it does MESSAGE_REF fuckery based on which pt youre doing it with to play the right dialogue

so technically this event is used, just the sumire stuff isnt lol

[muted holly]

Very strange

[slow wren]

TCRF mentions some of these from vanilla too https://tcrf.net/Persona_5/Unused_Cutscenes#Unused_Cutscene_Parameters

[golden frost]

wow lmao

i found scriptchats for sumire texting you too lol

[slow wren]

I realized we should add 467_001 from that page too
Originally I thought it was some sort of early draft relating to Mementos Depths but I realize now it's meant to be in between when you defeat the Grail the second time (in Qliphoth World) and the animated cutscene where it transforms

Is that scene present in Royal or will it have to be ported?

[golden frost]

i found bmd but not evt

[slow wren]

I like how Morgana goes "Wait!" and is then completely ignored lol

Ok I need to go to sleep but I'll send it to you. if I forget ping me tomorrow (…today, it’s nearly 3 am)

I don’t know what the event IDs are for these so I won’t put them on the sheet yet but we should also add the Sae poker scene and extended Yaldabaoth defeat rant that DeathChaos fixed

[golden frost]

yaldy dialogue is part of his fight not an event

[slow wren]

That’s what I thought
We should still add it though, to the player it's essentially an event

[golden frost]

yea lol

i was about to stick it in the spreadsheet and then realized you already got it lol

[golden frost]

already made a flow file to call the event but obv no evt and i havent made config option yet

which in my defense i think i was in the middle of like cleaning it up/refactoring it?

(if it gets long and unwieldy enough i might just turn it into code mod lol)

i dont think it really needs explanation why this is off by default, i think most people can figure it out on their own

also you shouldnt be using the mod at all on a first playthrough tbh

[runic bough]

I think I can guess why but I also am unfamiliar with this cut event 💀

[noble echo]

who is angel and julian???

[slow wren]

the atlus moment where gay people being sexual predators is funny (it's not)

[vital harbor]

might as well be safe

[golden frost]

hm? wat dis

[vital harbor]

hmmm

this looks like some kind of unused romance event