Persona 3 Reload | Master Quest | Persona Modding | Page 31

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:49 PM

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it was negligible right

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because 0.6x player dmg

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:49 PM

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it makes crits stronger on merciless compared to normal damage but player damage in general is reduced on merciless

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so a crit on merciless is only marginally higher than a crit on hard but normal damage is far lower and enemy crits are more dangerous

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:50 PM

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i wonder

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if i set junpei's crit rate add to 0

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will it glitch out and make him unable to crit

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kek

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:50 PM

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no it'd just add on 0

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since its additive

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:50 PM

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woah...

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+0

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op

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:51 PM

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unless the game fucks up real bad

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but yeah you could make his thing only a damage mult

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so he doesn't farm 1-more for free

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:51 PM

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I set the damage and boost caps to integer limit btw

is this crackhead behavior? yes but i want to see it in action for laughs

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 9:51 PM

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In practice, crits on hard vs crits on merciless just has 1% difference between each other

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:52 PM

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should i boost mitsuru's crit rate additive

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 9:52 PM

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Magic just got beat up since the weakness multiplier didn't have this

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:52 PM

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you'll almost never get it

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or make use of it rather

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+7/+15 is good if you had it constistent but like

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you dont

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:53 PM

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hollow trail I set the damage and boost caps to integer limit btw is this crackhead behavior...

9.3x damage with all relevant boosters, 11.2x if you account for weakness boost

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:53 PM

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12/20 billcosbyTRUE

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:53 PM

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dreamy orchid 9.3x damage with all relevant boosters, 11.2x if you account for weakness boost

You have no idea how much i want to see this play out

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i'll probably revert im just dying to see it

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 9:54 PM

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hollow trail you dont

It's more of a problem with ailments being dogshit to use, more than anything else

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:54 PM

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i thought this would only apply to theurgia since active skill would mean -1 slot, but there are passive equips anyways

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so it'd apply to everything

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at least for magic

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 9:54 PM

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The crit rate boost from ailments are pretty good on paper

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:55 PM

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phys mult would be much lower

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:55 PM

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wanking magic 🔥

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 9:55 PM

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If you managed to like, at least, give down the crit boost

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I think it'd be more usable

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:55 PM

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i cant man

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sry

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 9:55 PM

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That or allow ailments on more things

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:55 PM

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so if i make more enemies ailmentable 7 and 15 is good

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yeah i can fw that

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:55 PM

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phys would be 4.98x damage from boosters

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:55 PM

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doesn't hit cap!!!!!!

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:55 PM

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not accounting for crit

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yeah phys can't hit cap unless you add weakness boost too

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:56 PM

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oh yeah

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poison

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uhhhh

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i think im gonna buff poison's damage rate so it's not a tickle anymore

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but keep the cap

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250?

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:56 PM

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would make it only really matter against early game bosses

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but could work

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not that people poison much at all after thebel/arqa

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:57 PM

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250 damage every turn is still pretty juicy

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:57 PM

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i'd say its worse than other ailments

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and means you can't inflict one anymore

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:57 PM

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naohmm

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I was thinking 30% MAX HP drain, mostly to punish the player for not curing it

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people were self poisoning to cheese chidori

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for example

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the actual cap is 9999 in vanilla and 250 in MQ1

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i'd like it to be relevant for a good chunk of the game but not be a complete enemy melter

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:58 PM

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30% is what it does in p3

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:58 PM

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wholesome

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does fes have a cap on poison dmg

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:59 PM

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no clue, i've only used it against priestess and some tartarus bosses because i thought it was funny

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:59 PM

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fair

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:59 PM

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i'd assume it doesn't but late game bosses can't rly be poisoned either way

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 10:00 PM

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No damage cap but it's basically immune to everything relevant

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:00 PM

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virus breath would be hilarious if it weren't nulled by everything

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since its max hp damage along with 75% poison chance

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:00 PM

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naohmm

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750 maybe

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thats quite fucking chonky though

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its not like you can't exceed that damage anyway though

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:02 PM

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yeah like one crit at mid-late game is like 1000+ lol

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:02 PM

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i understand poison is funny but anything that isnt phys should be welcomed

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soooooo

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:02 PM

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virus breath truthers

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:03 PM

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750 every turn is not bad billcosbyTRUE

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assuming 30% is >750

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:03 PM

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yukari poison mist spammer build

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:03 PM

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i mean

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it's variety

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😭

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:03 PM

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yea i think its cool lol

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:03 PM

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im ngl

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:03 PM

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some day yukari will have a practical use... someday...

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:04 PM

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the drastic nerf to poison in MQ1 was mostly caused by yuki ragging on it hard

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:04 PM

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im pretty sure she was against the nerf

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:04 PM

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poison bow billcosbyTRUE

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she was, but she was also complaining quite loudly about p3r's poison caps

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:04 PM

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i imagine its mainly so high due to like

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jin

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:05 PM

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yeah probably caused by jin

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they could've made a jinPoison status

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instead of reusing the player ailment

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:05 PM

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let player use the potent stim injection

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:05 PM

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billcosbyTRUE

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:05 PM

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illegal drugs!

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:05 PM

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imagine jin just pulls out baisudi

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trolled

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:06 PM

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amrita gaming

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:06 PM

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i think the only things left to revise are

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crit rate adds from ailments

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and

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dizzy inflict rates

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rage accuracy rate

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and major arcana rates (will probably keep it the same, ppl seemed to like it)

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ive always liked weapon having a higher chance to inflict

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makes weapons have a use

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but then theurgy shows up with 80%

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and aoe is hardcoded to 20 i think

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or it uses the magic ratio?

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:08 PM

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magic 0% dizzy chance to troll the libs

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:09 PM

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shio wanking phys?

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:09 PM

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nah i'm just all out attack hater

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:09 PM

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magic 0% dizzy is a player buff

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enemies will dizzy you less

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if anything it should be like 35

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:10 PM

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hollow trail shio wanking phys?

speaking of this, i started running HAXMAN in episode aigis towards the end to see what the glazers were on about and I just don't really get it

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:10 PM

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its really simple

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:10 PM

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He hits like, kinda as hard as Junpei with like half the crit rate and no access to aoe

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:10 PM

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his damage is "okay" and they bench junpei because he's the pervert problematic icky party member

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so they never get to see his potential

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:11 PM

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nah most haxman heads run junpei/aki/koro

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:11 PM

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many such cases

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are you sure

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ive seen haxheads run akimitsu with yukari

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:11 PM

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well that's the op comp bro

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it covers all debuffs.

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:11 PM

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i mean

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it should be a good comp

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if the game was alright

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:12 PM

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its a bad comp in every persona 3 game

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hard carried by aki somehow

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:12 PM

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naotoshrug

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i ran makoto ryuji yusuke in 5 lol

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sometimes morgana

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sometimes ann

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i did whatever

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:12 PM

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that's probably one of the better casual setups

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:13 PM

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covers all buffs.

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:13 PM

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TRVE

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makoto is kinda bad if you know what you're doing but i think most players instinctually feel unsafe without a healer even if they've got items

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:13 PM

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i see party members as complementary honestly

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they will never be on protag level

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so i use them to fill in for shit i dont care about

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:14 PM

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meanwhile in p3r they are above protag level at endgame naotroll

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:14 PM

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we dont talk about kiwami

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but u right

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:14 PM

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generally i just take whoever unless i need a specific thing covered

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besides like p5 cus xp share like actively encourages not switching

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:14 PM

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Anyway dizzy rate

Weapon 80
Phys 20
Magic 35
Theurgy 50

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im wanking weapon attacks

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:15 PM

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900 atk evil gloves true

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:15 PM

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down bonus sword 🔥

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:15 PM

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can you make ult weapons not dogshit, like idc about the damage i know its a lost cause but can aki get something at least somewhat better than auto heat riser lmao

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:15 PM

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didnt i already fix that

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shit

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mb

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 10:16 PM

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Auto heat riser armor

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:16 PM

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should i do changes to the crit adds from ailments, i think they're mostly ok?

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:16 PM

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buff fear

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:16 PM

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fear is 20

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:16 PM

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its one of the lowest ones on an ailment nulled by like everything

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:16 PM

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Freeze 100
Shock Roll + 35
Distress 60
Panic 20
Dizzy 15
Fear 20

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where tf is the rest

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damn bro

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:17 PM

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dizzy boosts crit?

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lol?

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:17 PM

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yeah SWOON is dizzy

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i thought it was charm

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but nope

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:17 PM

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i thought swoon was charm

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:17 PM

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SAME

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:17 PM

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that's odd lol

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:17 PM

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i think ctobn corrected me on that

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or someone else

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:17 PM

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ctobn goat

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:17 PM

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anyway swoon is dizzy because dizzy rate is swoonrate

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sooo

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has to be

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:17 PM

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make dizzy crit bonus 0

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:18 PM

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evil

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:18 PM

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its already skipping a turn i don't think it needs to wank phys even harder

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you get downed damage bonus too on dizzy

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:18 PM

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true but it wanks weapon billcosbyTRUE

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weapon

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dizzy

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next member does phys

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:18 PM

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yeah but dizzy is already cracked regardless of if it adds crit rate

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:19 PM

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what about instaheal trvthers

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:19 PM

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1.2x extra damage for every attack and skips a turn

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:19 PM

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oh yeah you're right

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they cant get up

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sure 0

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what abt the rest

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:19 PM

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fear +100% crit as an epic p3 reference

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:19 PM

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fatal end op?

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:20 PM

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others seem fine though

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panic is kinda dogshit but like such is life

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:20 PM

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are you deadass about fear 100

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doesnt that wank shadow hound

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a ton

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:20 PM

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i think it'd be funny but doesn't really have to happen

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not like you can inflict fear on anything relevant anyways

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and no party member has evil smile

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:20 PM

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true because they'd escape

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femcsigh

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:20 PM

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and ghastly wail lol

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:21 PM

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what a shit ailment

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i'll make it 100% sure

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:21 PM

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its just inherently bad in this one

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:21 PM

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alternative to freeze

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:21 PM

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player is feared much more often than enemies are

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so 100% crit on fear is cracked for enemies lmao

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:21 PM

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oh yeah u right

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evil

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😈

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:21 PM

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could just make it a higher number

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35% or something (reference to it being identical to shock in p3f)

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:22 PM

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the 35 isnt additive though its a second roll

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:22 PM

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hmm

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:22 PM

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is distress 60 in fes

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what about panic

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:23 PM

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panic i remember being bad

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i don't even think it does boost crit rate there

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:23 PM

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money distributor 🔥

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:23 PM

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a lot of ailments don't but the ai thinks it does

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nah panic in p3 just makes skills have a chance to fail

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 10:23 PM

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Distress in fes has some lower crit increase value

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:23 PM

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you can always weapon attack or item

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distress in fes is completely different to p3r distress tho

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 10:24 PM

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Can't dodge and susceptible to crits basically

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:24 PM

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in fes it reduces defense and adds a small crit rate bonus whereas in p3r its a massive damage reduction and crit increase but disappears after one hit

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:24 PM

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ok how about.

Freeze: 100%
Shock: 35% (Secondary Roll)
Distress: 40%
Panic: 25%
Fear: 100%
Dizzy: 0%

celest kindle Sep 23, 2024, 10:25 PM

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So Dizzy's no longer real?

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:25 PM

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the crit chance on it, not the ailment itself

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you can dizzy shit

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:25 PM

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hollow trail ok how about. Freeze: 100% Shock: 35% (Secondary Roll) Distress: 40% Panic: 25%...

i don't think distress nerf is very necessary

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:25 PM

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i buffed it on weapons even which is kinda wank

celest kindle Sep 23, 2024, 10:25 PM

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Oh so you just can't crit while dizzy

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:25 PM

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i think make both distress and fear 65%

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:25 PM

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you can

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it just adds 0

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no bonus

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:26 PM

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distress nerf is mitsuru nerf so i'm against it

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:26 PM

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fear 65? u fr

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ahhh

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right

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distress 65 is a buff though

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:26 PM

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isn't it 65 already

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:26 PM

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im adding back ambush too probably

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no its 60

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:26 PM

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or is it 60

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oh then keep it at 60

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 10:26 PM

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Fatal End buff

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:26 PM

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fear i think being high is good but guaranteed might make enemies feel a little unfair

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:26 PM

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75?

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:26 PM

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if you want lol

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:27 PM

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nono wait

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ah nvm

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fatal end is 110

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i was gonna do a funny reference

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billcosbyTRUE

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:27 PM

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fatal end 230

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with 10% crit adachi_true

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:27 PM

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sure fuck it ill do 75

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it's adding to base anyway

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:27 PM

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fatal end with panic (p3f new moon reference)

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:27 PM

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its 100 in practice

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SHARP STUDENT BUFF

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🔥

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 10:28 PM

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sharp student armour for metis

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 10:28 PM

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truth nuke

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ok well

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major arcana rework left

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not sure it needs many changes from mq1

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mq2 is probably going to be more normal battle heavy though

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xp curve adjustment

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so maybe 100% is too much

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 10:30 PM

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Make it a separate mod

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Lmaooo

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Shit's very helpful for me rn frfr

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 12:18 AM

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MQ1 vs MQ2

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idk if the xp mult will turn the game into persona 4 golden but paired with catch-up it should make normal battles more useful

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this the kind of change that needs a full run to verify, lol

vagrant axle Sep 24, 2024, 12:26 AM

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Yiiikes

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Don't like being forced to grind even more

iron pilot Sep 24, 2024, 12:27 AM

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Just LL tbh

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 12:29 AM

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vagrant axle Don't like being forced to grind even more

You're basing this on what exactly

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reload and MQ were giving out so much xp you could do mandatory battles only while still overleveled

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the point of xp reduction (and megaten design really) isn't grinding, it's playing smart with the hand you're dealt

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 12:30 AM

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material sell price 0.25 when

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make them grind for cash naotroll

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 12:30 AM

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money grind is actually just grind

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xp is different

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the problem with MQ1 was that it was outright banning you from grinding

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 12:31 AM

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hollow trail

i like weak being stronger but i'm unsure about the increase to enemy damage

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it kinda felt fine in mq1

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 12:31 AM

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Probably because boosters

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i tested erebus and the mf was doing 90 damage with down bonus

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 12:32 AM

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lmao?

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i haven't fought that boss yet

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my save file is right before it i just got bored/tired so didn't bother yet

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 12:36 AM

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the change might on the surface look like the playtime is being doubled from grind but that's incorrect

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you're still going to get insane boosts from bosses, they might even proc more often because of this since you'll be lowlevelling

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just needs to be tuned

errant pumice Sep 24, 2024, 1:11 AM

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hollow trail the problem with MQ1 was that it was outright banning you from grinding

I am wondering, seeing this comment is making me think the XP system would revert back to Vanilla, but to 0.5x XP rate on all, is that correct? Or will it still have to MQ1 xp system?

Or is it the case of “Not Vanilla, Not MQ1, just reworked to flow better with 0.5xp”

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 1:15 AM

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errant pumice I am wondering, seeing this comment is making me think the XP system would rever...

My plan is reducing the hardcore cutoff on xp

Basically people were hitting the cap off of bosses alone and the rest of the game was literally filler even if they wanted to grind

With this reduction, my hope is that bosses give less boosts of massive xp, normal battles become more relevant, and people who really want to grind can do so

I'm not sure yet what's best, 0.5x is applying to all xp here, but there's still the level difference table. My idea is xp racking up steady as you climb, but if you do things low level, you still catch up with no grind, just not a massive overlevel

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likewise if you really want to grind i guess this won't stop you anymore

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I'm not sure whether the cap should stay or go

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this would only be merciless, either way

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I'm probably changing safety to be even easier than it is in vanilla rn

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 1:18 AM

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could just reduce boss xp tbh

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 1:18 AM

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do you know how they calculate xp

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i sure don't

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👿

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 1:23 AM

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no clue

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its some fucked formula

iron pilot Sep 24, 2024, 1:29 AM

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Ask the database man

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He's the one routing routes for mandatory battles only and skips lol

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 1:32 AM

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dreamy orchid its some fucked formula

imagine its literally plaintext and its just that Light set the fucking thing as a byte instead of an int

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on template

vagrant axle Sep 24, 2024, 1:32 AM

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hollow trail I'm probably changing safety to be even easier than it is in vanilla rn

Is vanilla Safety as easy as P5R's was? Ngl, I played it once just to see what it was like, and it was far less fun.

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 1:33 AM

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yeah but the point of safety is to be "i dont wanna bother with this bullshit" mode

vagrant axle Sep 24, 2024, 1:33 AM

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I typically think making things hard for hardness' sake is silly, but Safety was a bit too far in the other direction

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 1:33 AM

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safety is kinda designed to be bad

vagrant axle Sep 24, 2024, 1:33 AM

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True

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It does warn you

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 1:34 AM

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smtv imo just does it better

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why do double damage in a mode where you literally cant lose

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just do 10x damage

vagrant axle Sep 24, 2024, 1:34 AM

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I played Vengeance on Normal/Hard

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Seemed just right to me

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 1:34 AM

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safety in vengeance makes you do 10x damage

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like 10k just for sneezing

vagrant axle Sep 24, 2024, 1:34 AM

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frenzy

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 1:34 AM

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imo its best

vagrant axle Sep 24, 2024, 1:34 AM

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That's fantastic

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 1:34 AM

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the whole point is you pick that if you want to skip shit

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so why waste time

vagrant axle Sep 24, 2024, 1:34 AM

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unironically a good way to do it tbh

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 1:35 AM

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yea

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p3r safety is sloggy because like

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you do 1.6x damage

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which is the inverse of merciless

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its decent damage but you literally cant die in safety

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so why drag it out

vagrant axle Sep 24, 2024, 1:36 AM

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After I beat Demi and ||Satan||, I tested Safety to see what those fights were like.

Demi took 2 turns. ||Satan|| STILL took 6+.

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 1:36 AM

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make the damage multiplier go into scientific notation

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 1:36 AM

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i did

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i just tested 10x damage + 10x weak

iron pilot Sep 24, 2024, 1:36 AM

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Demifiend only needs 1 turns in any difficulty

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 1:36 AM

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wait

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 1:36 AM

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i did 300 million with justice

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 1:36 AM

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would that mean you'd take a bajillion damage from a repel

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 1:36 AM

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probably

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removing damage cap is the best thing i could've done

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300 million damage justice on safety is a blast

vagrant axle Sep 24, 2024, 1:37 AM

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Meovv safety mfs when they melee attack the funny elephant man

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 1:37 AM

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we do a little trolling

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 1:37 AM

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that one sword that repels slash nuking junpei for using blade of fury

vagrant axle Sep 24, 2024, 1:38 AM

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imagine the heals on absorb, too

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 1:38 AM

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i dont think it would be 1:1

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is it?

vagrant axle Sep 24, 2024, 1:38 AM

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it should be

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idc if it is rn

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 1:39 AM

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i always feel like drain is less than what the attack would've been

vagrant axle Sep 24, 2024, 1:39 AM

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It is, afaik

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 1:39 AM

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obviously we set every affinity to drainx1000

vagrant axle Sep 24, 2024, 1:40 AM

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man

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now i wanna play smtvv again

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 1:42 AM

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hollow trail obviously we set every affinity to drainx1000

p1 random encounters be like

native garden Sep 24, 2024, 1:43 AM

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dreamy orchid p1 random encounters be like

ALL MY BUDDIES BEG TO BRING ME -

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 2:01 AM

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hollow trail imagine its literally plaintext and its just that Light set the fucking thing as...

im pretty sure it was literally this btw

errant pumice Sep 24, 2024, 3:39 AM

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hollow trail do you know how they calculate xp

You could pull an Atlus

“Man, this boss was very hard to beat, I hope that he gives a generous amount of XP”

Atlus: “0 XP”

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 3:40 AM

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okay but based though

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make gold hands give 0xp so rerolling floors until you find them is no longer optimal and they're just money farm

native garden Sep 24, 2024, 3:41 AM

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~~You may as well delete the rumored level 99 Maya that can spawn and give you a miillion xp~~

errant pumice Sep 24, 2024, 3:42 AM

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dreamy orchid make gold hands give 0xp so rerolling floors until you find them is no longer op...

^ I wouldn’t mind this change, Golden Hands are for money purposes in my opinion

Either that or give them regular dungeon xp. I feel like Strong enemies should give out XP, while golden hands gives out money

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 3:42 AM

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in p3 and p4 ps2 they always give 1xp

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making them give inflated xp feels like its supposed to be an anti-grind mechanic but it ironically makes it more grindy, just in a different way

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 3:46 AM

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can confirm

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xp is not a "weird ass formula"

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the template is just bad

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@dreamy orchid

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 3:47 AM

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oh really lmao

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 3:47 AM

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yes

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just like buffs in the skill template

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 3:47 AM

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whats it actually like

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 3:47 AM

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light made everything a byte

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it's a short

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the template was only affecting 1 of the 2 bytes that contain the value

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so yeah it was making the numbers wrong

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likewise the buffs is an integer

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not a single byte

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ints are 4 bytes

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??? is 50k xp flat

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if you fix template. sure enough

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it goes from "80" xp to 50k

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so yeah

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no weird ass formula just bad template

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 3:50 AM

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well that's good to know

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there's no weird formula, they just made everything give a trillion xp for no reason

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ig that makes it easier to fix it

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 3:50 AM

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i dont see what needs fixing

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the problem isnt boss xp

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it's the huge multipliers put on them

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due to level

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 3:51 AM

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make xp always flat like a boss

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grinding time!

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 3:51 AM

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hollow trail it's the huge multipliers put on them

pretty sure bosses still give massively more xp than normal enemies even without this

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 3:52 AM

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as they should

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there is literally no game where this is not the case

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 3:52 AM

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persona 3 and persona 4 naotroll

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 3:52 AM

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normal enemies give way less in those too are you high

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p3 and p4 have level catch up caps

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 3:53 AM

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tartarus guardians don't rly give high xp

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and in p4g bosses all give less xp than one gold hand

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 3:53 AM

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thats literally worse than reload

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 3:54 AM

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i think the way p4g does it is awful but i also don't think making bosses give a ton of xp is that good

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because it makes the party you use for them vastly overlevel your other characters

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and catch up becomes much harder

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 3:54 AM

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i dont see that as a real problem in practice

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 3:54 AM

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i think maybe boosting normal enemy xp but lowering boss xp would be better

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 3:55 AM

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nah

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i see no value in that

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 3:55 AM

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makes grinding up lower leveled characters easier while not overleveling the main team

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also makes preparing for bosses easier for those who are struggling lol

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 3:55 AM

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grinding the same 5 encounters for catchup is abysmal gameplay

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i'd rather make clock 100% spawnrate

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 3:55 AM

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but you'd need to do it less than you do now

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 3:56 AM

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hollow trail i'd rather make clock 100% spawnrate

that'd technically be way faster but it interrupts the flow of gameplay a lot lol

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 3:56 AM

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make it 100% on entrance clock

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give a reason to use it

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 3:56 AM

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you'd need to watch that spawn anim constantly and keep returning back and forth from the lobby

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 3:56 AM

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billcosbyTRUE

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win

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reaper being 44748 xp definitely sounds off however

dreamy orchid Sep 24, 2024, 4:06 AM

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oh yeah are the buffs in btlcalc now

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cus ik nrubyodryth managed to edit them

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 4:09 AM

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no

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i can edit them too

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without template

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float search in hex naosmiley

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i can probably make a janky template for it tbh

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but i dont really care too much

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i'd just nerf defense to make it cancel out properly

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and maybe evasion

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 7:43 PM

#

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adjusted for all possible boosts and crit/weak being swapped

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akasha cannot stop winning

celest kindle Sep 24, 2024, 8:16 PM

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Curve certainly looks a lot more upwards now

hollow trail Sep 24, 2024, 8:25 PM

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it has literally not changed

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i mean it has but the sort is completely different it has nothing to do with the curve

neat reef Sep 24, 2024, 10:19 PM

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hollow trail akasha cannot stop winning

https://tenor.com/view/i-cant-stop-winning-gamblecore-gif-3159579385253397327

Tenor

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 12:47 AM

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funny we are always going through the exact same issues at the exact same time, it seems. just different solutions.

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except that my notes are messier

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i think you're more changing the skills themselves, and i'm more changing their distribution on personas and level ranges

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 12:54 AM

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bronze seal i think you're more changing the skills themselves, and i'm more changing their ...

I haven't necessarily done anything yet, I'm mostly trying to understand which approach will be best at the moment

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 12:55 AM

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i see. i assume you're trying to deal with always having skills objectively better than others at the same level range, and in general.

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 12:55 AM

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I have less problems with Magic being slightly underdog if the passives that make it viable become more common

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yes

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Also replacing the stupidly high level learns of Heat Riser and Debilitate with compound buff skills

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I removed the boost caps and tried a fully stacked Satanael Dreamfest, and I can't even lie I liked the results

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it was competitive with Shadow Hound crit

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 12:58 AM

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Hmmmm that is already the case on the old version

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 12:59 AM

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iron pilot Hmmmm that is already the case on the old version

It can't be, because to match Shadow Hound i needed Driver, Ability AND Mastery

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 12:59 AM

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Although the nerfed crit rate made it so King and I is objectively better if you managed to get Mastery

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 12:59 AM

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Again I have no real issue with magic underdogging if full passive stack is accessible and actually worth getting

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because base phys is still less effort for sufficient dmg

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:00 AM

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Well yeah I get what you mean

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I'm just saying, you kinda did that already before but no DLC

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That makes sense

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 1:00 AM

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my thinking is that reload lets you learn mid-game and late-game skills MUCH sooner than you could in fes, like you used to get myriad arrows at level 65-77, and reload, it's 43-79

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:00 AM

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i didn't give ability/mastery though

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i nerfed physical

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a ton, too

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:01 AM

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Yeah and that did the trick lol

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:01 AM

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bronze seal my thinking is that reload lets you learn mid-game and late-game skills MUCH soo...

You get Blade of Fury at 28 and are set until level 70

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 1:01 AM

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yeah, exactly

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and then siegfried, jesus christ

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:01 AM

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Siegmid

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:02 AM

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i don't get the Siegfried glazing

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:02 AM

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Well he is easy to fuse

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But you can always aim for higher with just simple steps

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Plus in The Answer the goat's Bishamonten

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 1:03 AM

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it's because he already comes with slash amd, crit rate amp, and brave blade at level 59

west swift Sep 25, 2024, 1:03 AM

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easy to fuse, has most of the skills you need innate/unlockable, only needs a few skill cards to be strong

and you dont need to go out of your way for a higher ma stat for stronger theurgy bc the game is so easy anyways

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:03 AM

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Bishamonten's what Siegfried in the minds of people

He learns boost amp myriad arrows crit rate amp

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Just need apt pupil, single/multi target and null ice

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 1:03 AM

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bishamonten too, i just nerfed him the other day

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:03 AM

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You are not going to like my Masakado...

west swift Sep 25, 2024, 1:03 AM

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oh and also you need siegfried for scarlot havoc anyways so once you get him, why switch off in most cases

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:04 AM

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Chernobog's better soz man

west swift Sep 25, 2024, 1:04 AM

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wow! instead of one shotting the enemies you can one shot the enemies even harder!

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:04 AM

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Problem with siegfried is that dark weakness

west swift Sep 25, 2024, 1:04 AM

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see what i mean lol

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:04 AM

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He's fodder

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In my eyes

west swift Sep 25, 2024, 1:05 AM

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but yeah thats why people hype him up lol

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:05 AM

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what if i made every persona weak to 2 elements as a baseline

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happy

celest kindle Sep 25, 2024, 1:05 AM

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Make the baseline 3 so that Starter Persona becomes better

errant pumice Sep 25, 2024, 1:05 AM

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hollow trail what if i made every persona weak to 2 elements as a baseline

Even Orpheus Telos?

west swift Sep 25, 2024, 1:05 AM

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orpheus only viable??

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:05 AM

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Fix cock to drain pierce instead of strike pls

native garden Sep 25, 2024, 1:05 AM

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west swift but yeah thats why people hype him up lol

Never forget that edit Deus made when he got Siegfried and the theurgy involving Siegfried. Good times

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 1:06 AM

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and, yeah, bishamonten makes you're good for a looong time. level 60, pierce boost, crit rate amp, pierce amp, myriad arrows, primal force.

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:06 AM

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Primal mid

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No one's keeping that bullshit

celest kindle Sep 25, 2024, 1:06 AM

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iron pilot Fix cock to drain pierce instead of strike pls

Ok but why would cock drain pierce

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 1:06 AM

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yeah, that's the one issue is pierce didn't get the buffs brave blade and god's hand did

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:06 AM

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Nrub please do calculations on skill potential primal is so bad

celest kindle Sep 25, 2024, 1:06 AM

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Why would the Cock suck Pierce

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:07 AM

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At least give it a strong crit rate or someshit

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:07 AM

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celest kindle Why would the Cock suck Pierce

gay

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 1:07 AM

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oh, of course, i know. i mean he's already set for when you need pierce, not for every situation.

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:07 AM

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Getting dark resist is hard, null even harder unless you overlevel

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 1:07 AM

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don't need to worry about fusing and inheriting skills on personas. they already got everything they need.

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:08 AM

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And you want to fuse Siegfried out for Auto Rebellion and Auto Masukukaja anyways

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So do it

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And make a better persona

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Siegmid real

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:09 AM

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i dont necessarily see premade kits as a huge problem

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they put you onto passive synergies that you can then refine even further

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the problem is the base premade is already sufficient

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happy

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 1:10 AM

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yeah, i don't think so, but they shouldn't be too fully made

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persona with strong pierce skills and pierce amp, fine. both best pierce skills, pierce boost, amp, and crit rate amp? that's a bit much.

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i guess they thought it was fine 'cause pierce sucks

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:12 AM

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all boosts is egregious yes

native garden Sep 25, 2024, 1:12 AM

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Pierce driver for the low low price of 5.99

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:12 AM

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i didnt even fuse him in the answer though

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skillcard

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happy

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i mained slash for most of it

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 1:13 AM

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that, and they shouldn't be premade when they're the lowest level you can obtain those skills in the first place. no point in bothering fusing anymore, right?

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:14 AM

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i guess one boost, maybe two as maximum

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sure

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 1:15 AM

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if they're later on in the game, yeah. i won't complain about level 75+ personas having good premade sets.

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:15 AM

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anything 80+ I made stronger tbh

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some of them have laughably bad kits

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why even bother fusing anything higher than level 70

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:17 AM

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Chi You fell off

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Mada is also laughably bad

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But he does lock out the best damaging skill in the game somewhat

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You're looking at a Mada with Growth 3 or an Asura

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:19 AM

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god

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:19 AM

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Very big gap

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:19 AM

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i just opened a tab for every persona in the game

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my browser is dying

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:20 AM

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Lmao

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Chrome moment

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:20 AM

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nah

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firefox

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spamming 200 tabs is hefty

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rangda wtf

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counterstrike innate then wastes a slot 2 levels later with high counter right away

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scathach with two autos

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naohmm

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:27 AM

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That latter one's not that bad

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:27 AM

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auto-mas should be fused together tbhtbh

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 1:27 AM

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oh yeah, one thing i was gonna mention i think works out nicely is it seems like your custom skills are drawing more from nocturne and modern smt, and mine's focusing more on cut p3 skills, p2, p1, and if... skills. there's probably a lot of demand for p3r rebalances since the game's so easy, so if there's gonna be two big ones, it's good they're going for different theming in case someone prefers one over the other.

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:27 AM

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Yakshini kinda busted

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:28 AM

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bronze seal oh yeah, one thing i was gonna mention i think works out nicely is it seems like...

Mainly SMTV and Soul Hackers 2

Some cheeky referencing to Persona 2 and 5 with the Rumor Skills

I would've added the cut P3 skills but I don't see them being very necessary at the moment (I am however replacing Vacuum Slash with the classic Power Slash, setting the current one back to Cleave)

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 1:30 AM

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p5 does have a lot of oldsona skills too, to be fair

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:30 AM

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hollow trail Yakshini kinda busted

Nah in terms of s.link boosts she's not worth it

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Very good in the answer though

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:30 AM

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yeah in answer for sure

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matador is goated

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too

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:30 AM

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I actually skipped straight to Yakshini there

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Same results, relatively speaking

I focused on a Setanta with Charge instead for early game

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 1:31 AM

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i would have really liked to give thanatos a unique skill from his snow queen boss battle, but he doesn't have one like hypnos does... sad.

errant pumice Sep 25, 2024, 1:31 AM

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I forgot, how does ATK/DEF/AGL up/down work in master quest? Are they still vanilla or were they changed?

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:31 AM

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was not changed

celest kindle Sep 25, 2024, 1:32 AM

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No reason to change it after all

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:33 AM

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not quite

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rakukaja/tarunda needs a nerf, arguably suku too

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:33 AM

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Sukukaja technically buffed

celest kindle Sep 25, 2024, 1:33 AM

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Isn't that changing their values rather than changing how they work though?

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:33 AM

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modcheck

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yes but we were talking values i think

celest kindle Sep 25, 2024, 1:34 AM

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I dunno it seemed like they meant something different when they asked specifically "how they worked" instead of just if their values were changed or something similar

errant pumice Sep 25, 2024, 1:36 AM

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Nah, just in general

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If anything was changed with them at all

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 1:46 AM

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the entire strength arcana is crack

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crack as in atlus did the smonk

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 1:49 AM

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Thinking of it

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I skipped Hanuman for Ose this time

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A wise decision imo

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:11 AM

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Rangda
Scathach
Alilat
Yakshini
Leanan Sidhe
Kohryu
Flauros
Oni
Anubis
Zouchouten
Archangel
Arahabaki
Dakini
Atavaka
Kali
Siegfried
Hanuman
Jikokuten
Matador
Rakshasa
Valkyrie
Alice
Okuninushi
Baphomet
Mokoi
Chi You
Bishamonten
Seth
Chernobog
Yamato-no-Orochi
Asura
Quetzalcoatl
Uriel```

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these are the movesets i think are most sussy just at a glance

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 2:14 AM

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Why Kohryu

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He sucks ass

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Anubis is also not that bad by himself

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:14 AM

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no weakness

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:20 AM

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no black frost?

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:23 AM

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no real issue detected

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he gets a new skill

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in mq

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from PQ

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 2:24 AM

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Black Frost does cover his weakness by himself

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:25 AM

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its a lot better than not having one at all

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:25 AM

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well, maybe i'm biased since it's a big buff from p3. and he's easier to fuse too.

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:25 AM

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its black frost

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BlackSexo

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but yeah

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i dont have it in me to nerf frosts

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 2:27 AM

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Being fusable on level in P3's the buff lol

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He sucks ass in the journey because you can't fuse him until you're 10 levels higher

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That's also why he's ok in the answer there

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:32 AM

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ok nvm i will need to add gale slash

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femcsigh

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 2:36 AM

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That's Vacuum Slash already wdym

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:36 AM

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vacuum slash is removed

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:37 AM

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it's just a different translation of the same name, isn't it?

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:37 AM

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yes

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but like i mentioned

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Power Slash is Cleave now

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which makes Vacuum Slash Power Slash

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so there's no early aoe slash anymore

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:38 AM

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well, it's aoe, but i get what you mean

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:38 AM

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it's aoe in vanilla

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not anymore

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thats the point

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:38 AM

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are you sure...?

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:38 AM

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bro

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Power Slash is changed to Cleave (FES)

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Vacuum Slash (Reload) is changed to Power Slash (FES)

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so there's no aoe phys at early level anymore

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i'd need to create a new skill

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i could do it the other way and add cleave manually but the level attribution is fine so i didnt bother

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:41 AM

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are we crossing over from different universes right now or something

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:41 AM

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You're not understanding what i'm saying pain_snao

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Power Slash (Reload, Single Target Skill) is changed to Cleave (FES, Single Target Skill)

Vacuum Slash (Reload, AoE skill) is changed to Power Slash (FES, Single Target Skill)

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:42 AM

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oh, yeah, you mean they moved their slots

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:42 AM

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no i mean MQ changed it

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:42 AM

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not that they're literally the same skill

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OH, okay, okay

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what i did was just move gale slash back to the personas it was on, renamed "power slash" back to cleave, add in power slash as a new skill

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:43 AM

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that works too its just the same in reverse

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:43 AM

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it is pretty dumb there's flat-out no tier 2 slash skill, you can see there

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goes from 1 to 3

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:43 AM

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good game

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then 3 to "stop bothering"

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:45 AM

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the tiers are all kinda weird in general. they go up really fast. i guess it's because of the really wide level distribution.

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:47 AM

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Archangel learning apt pupil is a joke

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it makes justice a guaranteed 100% crit

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at level 13

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:47 AM

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oh, i see. it's because they moved skills around without changing tiers. torrent shot is tier 4, so you get it in the level 40's in fes. it's still tier 4, you just learn it in the 20's.

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 2:47 AM

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Not exactly since funny Lu difference

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But yeah

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:48 AM

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the tiers are weird because they're faithful to the original when the skills aren't

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:48 AM

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they just mashed fes and p5 together and called it a day

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compendium was made in an afternoon

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probably

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:48 AM

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i'm surprised arrow rain is tier 3 and not tier 6

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they caught that one, at least

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they didn't catch accidentally reversing its animation with myriad arrows, but, eh, you win some, you lose some

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 2:50 AM

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Huh?

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Wdym dude

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Arrow Rain in OG's brown torrent of arrows from above

Myriad Arrows is a torrent of silver ones that you can't clearly see

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It never was purple beforehand

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The only purpleish skill that's pierce ever is Pralaya

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:51 AM

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yeah, and myriad arrows is the brown torrent of arrows in reload

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am i remembering wrong or something?

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 2:51 AM

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Yeah you are

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:52 AM

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wait, wait, wait, this might be from the unused skills that made me think that

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 2:52 AM

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There's no brown torrent of arrows in Reload

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https://youtu.be/8HPWc9uB5sI?feature=shared

YouTube

BothDoorsCares

Final Boss (Persona 3 Reload: The Answer, Heartless)

This boss fight seems to have shifting resistances this time around. While it is easy to simply beat up, I must commend the design of this boss. This is way better than the old version, it keeps everyone engaged and if done on level, they can't die to a single Theurgia at the very least. There is an element of Theurgia bar management that other...

▶ Play video

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See Ken using it here

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:53 AM

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im turning oni into a fraud

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had enough of the glazing

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smtv affinities

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:53 AM

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shit, you're right, i think i'm getting it mixed up with neuro slash

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:54 AM

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neuro slash doesn't even exist in fes

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modcheck

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:54 AM

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yeah, it just reminded me of the old myriad arrows animation

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 2:54 AM

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...how actually

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:54 AM

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my memory was telling me "purple stuff fall from sky in the game, but not on myriad arrows"

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 2:55 AM

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Neuro Slash is slow as fuck and red and has a lot of zigzag lines

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 2:55 AM

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hollow trail had enough of the glazing

You're stinky

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:55 AM

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my medication makes my memory foggy

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 2:55 AM

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iron pilot You're stinky

you can work around it i believe in you

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 2:57 AM

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yeah, i guess it's the fact that arrow rain looks a lot more flashy than myriad arrows, which made me think they should be reversed, which made me misremember they are

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 3:00 AM

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They could have made Neuro Slash 2x speed and it'd been fine

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Why tf is it so slow

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 3:00 AM

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i could mod that, i think

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but the sound effects would be off, so

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 3:04 AM

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You glaze Reload and hate P5

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 3:04 AM

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yes

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really, i think p3 > p2 > p5 > if... > p4 > p1

celest kindle Sep 25, 2024, 9:22 AM

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hollow trail ``` Rangda Scathach Alilat Yakshini Leanan Sidhe Kohryu Flauros Oni Anubis Zouch...

What's bad about Leanan Sidhe?

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 12:12 PM

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nothing she's buffed actually

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early me patra

dreamy orchid Sep 25, 2024, 1:00 PM

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hollow trail Also replacing the stupidly high level learns of Heat Riser and Debilitate with ...

debilitate being late af is deserved, its only heat riser that's out of place really

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a lot of bosses are single target, but the party is never just one or two people besides very specific circumstance or if you're doing a challenge run

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 7:46 PM

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part of me just kinda wanted to cut debilitate, honestly. it either makes -undas obsolete or i make boss ai very likely to dekunda when they have 3 debuffs, and now it's kinda useless. however, it's my rule not to remove any new reload content, sadly.

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except ali dance. what the fuck where they thinking.

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i mean i know the minimum hit rate is 50% and it lets you hit it with only one skill, but if there's wasn't a minimum, it'd be: 99% acr x 0.6 evade x 0.85 angelic x 0.5 ali x 0.7 magic evade high = 17.6% acr

celest kindle Sep 25, 2024, 8:20 PM

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bronze seal part of me just kinda wanted to cut debilitate, honestly. it either makes -undas...

Idk Debilitate is the natural evolution of Kundas so I don't see an issue with it being there

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Sure if the boss is programmed to Dekunda if it spots their stats down it ends up becoming a big SP cost for the user but i think you can work around that

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And that inherently can make things easier for you given the boss will be using it's turn trying to cure it while you wail on it

west swift Sep 25, 2024, 8:23 PM

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is that not kind of the point of a skill like that? reduce all of the stats and force the boss to either deal with it or react to it

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 8:24 PM

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i guess so if you can communicate to the player the ai is reacting to how many debuffs it has. the reason i like normal kundas is because you have to make a choice about which debuff is more important depending on the situation.

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if the boss is in a low-hp danger phase, you need to rakunda and kill it. if it's doing multi-hits or low accuracy attacks, sukunda, if it's doing higher-accuracy, high damage hits, tarunda.

celest kindle Sep 25, 2024, 8:25 PM

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Given the all-stat debuff/buff skills are pretty late game I wouldn't seen an issue with them being around as long as it's restricted to a select few characters

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 8:25 PM

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and, similarly, the boss ai needs to decide which debuffs it cares about

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but, yes, ultimately, as long as debilitate is endgame, it doesn't matter that much

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 8:44 PM

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Sukukaja's basically the only thing affecting hit counts

bronze seal Sep 25, 2024, 8:51 PM

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oh yeah

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i'm getting how things work mixed up with how it makes sense they'd work

dreamy orchid Sep 25, 2024, 8:52 PM

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i think heat riser really should be like mid game but debilitate being endgame makes sense

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that shit ain't luster candy its dogshit

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 8:53 PM

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heat riser being midgame makes particularly more sense when SH2 compound buffs are 80+

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no one is heat rising when war cry exists

iron pilot Sep 25, 2024, 8:54 PM

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Mfs when Rundamizer

celest kindle Sep 25, 2024, 8:54 PM

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Tbf i don't think any Persona had the buff/debuff combo skills

dreamy orchid Sep 25, 2024, 8:54 PM

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no one is heat risering anyways but yeah its even more outclassed assuming you add 2-in-1 skills

dreamy orchid Sep 25, 2024, 8:55 PM

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celest kindle Tbf i don't think any Persona had the buff/debuff combo skills

erm, dragon hustle

celest kindle Sep 25, 2024, 8:56 PM

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Isn't that just Party Heat Riser

dreamy orchid Sep 25, 2024, 8:59 PM

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which is a combo of 3 buffs naotroll

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cadenza also exists as the opposite, giving half a buff lmao

celest kindle Sep 25, 2024, 9:00 PM

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dreamy orchid which is a combo of 3 buffs <:naotroll:846644435911049237>

I meant combo buff/debuff like Attack + Defense Buff or Attack + Speed Debuff

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 9:06 PM

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never been in persona

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Ive only ever seen it in vengeance, sh2 and metaphor

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metaphor has single target versions of combined buffs

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which is

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uhh

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a choice

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aoe skills seem to all require 2 press turns + someone with a compatible archetype though

dreamy orchid Sep 25, 2024, 9:07 PM

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p2 fusion spells real?

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 9:07 PM

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no

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DDS

dreamy orchid Sep 25, 2024, 9:07 PM

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its peam?

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 9:07 PM

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its ripped straight from DDS

dreamy orchid Sep 25, 2024, 9:07 PM

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wholesome

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 9:07 PM

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but if you hit a weakness or crit it consumes zero press turns

dreamy orchid Sep 25, 2024, 9:07 PM

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multi-target buffs taking two actions is beast mode though

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 9:07 PM

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buffs might not

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attacks definitely yes

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but its busted

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they're theurgia level

dreamy orchid Sep 25, 2024, 9:08 PM

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that'd be hype if they didn't one tap everything

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 9:08 PM

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500 damage heavy slash at level 10

dreamy orchid Sep 25, 2024, 9:08 PM

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is there no reason not to do the combo attacks then

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 9:08 PM

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dreamy orchid that'd be hype if they didn't one tap everything

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you cant just spam it or you'll risk dying i guess

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but if you crit or hit weakness, you get both half presses

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so you can technically do these 4 times

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with a full party

dreamy orchid Sep 25, 2024, 9:09 PM

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the VA seems really good for this game

dreamy orchid Sep 25, 2024, 9:10 PM

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hollow trail

488 without crit dark

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 9:10 PM

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dub is good too

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ive only heard protag and strohl though

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 9:11 PM

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dreamy orchid 488 without crit <:dark:1170927971037610064>

yeah but it's rakunda x3

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buffs stack up to 3

dreamy orchid Sep 25, 2024, 9:11 PM

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wait its debuffing too?

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 9:11 PM

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no

dreamy orchid Sep 25, 2024, 9:11 PM

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oh you meant you applied rakunda

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 9:11 PM

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hulkenberg was debuffing

dreamy orchid Sep 25, 2024, 9:11 PM

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im dumb

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 9:11 PM

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protag and strohl were attacking after the debuff

dreamy orchid Sep 25, 2024, 9:12 PM

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do the debuffs run out overtime in this one

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or is it like cockturne

hollow trail Sep 25, 2024, 9:12 PM

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yes

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2 turns i think im not sure

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either that or stack duration is weird

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they feel short

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anyway warrior is stupid

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phys boost at rank 3

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slash boost at rank 20

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(mage gets magic boost at rank 20)

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and the boosts are inheritable

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you're supposed to rank up different classes then mix the good skills together

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slots are very limited though i think

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phys boost is 40% if everyone in your party is warrior lineage

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idk if that means 4 warriors or specifically 4 different archetypes of the warrior lineage

deft halo Sep 27, 2024, 1:47 PM

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Well Reaper gives more exp than I remember lmao (from level 79)

iron pilot Sep 27, 2024, 2:06 PM

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Nah that's the right amount

hollow trail Sep 27, 2024, 2:51 PM

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deft halo Well Reaper gives more exp than I remember lmao (from level 79)

reaper is level 99 in MQ

deft halo Sep 27, 2024, 3:02 PM

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Yeah I saw, probably that's why

hollow trail Oct 6, 2024, 10:04 PM

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3 things:

Inconvenience is a challenge to be worked around. Annoyance is an element of friction and in Reload it's absolutely a skill issue if an enemy counters your strategy. If the enemy is Spirit Draining, maybe don't make your entire team SP-based members? (Aki Mitsuru Yukari is terrible)
Direct vanilla game complaints at Atlus, not at me. The negative descriptions on these video showcases are teetering on the line between feedback and plain rudeness
It's been almost 6 months and you're still withholding feedback by turning it into a semi daily content drop. Is this a review or a YouTube series? You're free to do whatever, but at this rate I will make a point of ignoring feedback from this source out of principle

celest kindle Oct 6, 2024, 10:24 PM

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damn

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That's that one monad boss right?

hollow trail Oct 6, 2024, 10:25 PM

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no it's a normal one

deft halo Oct 6, 2024, 11:21 PM

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I mean SP draining is always annoying. But idk, at this point in the game the challenge evaporated for me completely. I've yet to post my review of the mod (only Nyx left, I just don't feel like finish the run at the moment lmao), but imo nothing past Chidori poses any challenge. Well, maybe Reaper the first time you fight it.

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Seemingly, the guy doesn't have all auto skills, and attacks enemies before debuffing their defense, so kinda skill issue anyway

dreamy orchid Oct 6, 2024, 11:26 PM

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sp draining is peak

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sp drain objective positive for ken 🔥

hollow trail Oct 6, 2024, 11:41 PM

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deft halo Seemingly, the guy doesn't have all auto skills, and attacks enemies before debu...

also sometimes doesnt attack before all buffs/debuffs are up on all combatants which is not just a massive stall but also a waste of sp

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zero awareness of damage multipliers etc

deft halo Oct 7, 2024, 12:47 AM

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I suppose you could say he's playing the game as intended lmao

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And managing, apparently

potent fog Oct 9, 2024, 11:37 PM

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hollow trail no one is heat rising when war cry exists

yeah ive never understood why they treat heat riser as an endgame skill when it's completely outclassed by the auto-mas and even just the regular mas. it's way too expensive and obtained way too late for being way shittier than all of its other late-game counterparts

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not to mention giving you a full party version with extremely easy to circumvent restrictions with Thermopylae in P5

iron pilot Oct 10, 2024, 2:40 AM

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It's a solo tool, more than anything else

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Jonkler is allergic to debilitate though, only fucker that doesn't want debuffs

west swift Oct 10, 2024, 8:13 PM

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I kinda feel like heat riser would make sense as a mid game tool or maybe a little later, rather than end game, since all party buffs are just better in practice

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but yeah it's always treated as a late or even end game skill lol

celest kindle Oct 10, 2024, 8:54 PM

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I think the tough thing might be filling the gap

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I feel Heat Riser would be good to have as an endgame skill if the buff combo skills that buffed 2 different stats existed

dreamy orchid Oct 10, 2024, 8:55 PM

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what?

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those existing would make heat riser even worse

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it gets no diffed by ma-kajas, those are just ma-kajas with even better turn economy

west swift Oct 10, 2024, 9:33 PM

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I'm guessing they mean single target double buffs? but idk that doesn't change anything about heat riser anyways lol

celest kindle Oct 10, 2024, 9:38 PM

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Having the other skills can add to the progression before you get the final buff skill that just flat out buffs every stat

west swift Oct 10, 2024, 9:50 PM

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but the problem is that heat riser is not as useful as ma-kajas if you have a full party

hollow trail Oct 10, 2024, 10:35 PM

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heat riser would have a niche getting party members back up to speed after a revive

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if tarukaja wasnt the only relevant buff

crude hedge Oct 11, 2024, 7:10 PM

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make it do crit too or something

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still wont help it much but naotoshrug

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auto revolution doesnt exist

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 7:40 PM

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i mean if it buffs crit that just makes it more useful on phys users and in a solo setting, doesn't really help characters like mitsuru or yukari at all

deft halo Oct 11, 2024, 8:00 PM

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Buffs don't affect heals so nothing can help Yukari, and Mitsuru does have a multi target phys skill

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But yeah, I don't really know how you can make Heat Riser useful. You can't introduce it before mass buffs, and after them it's pretty useless. In those rare moments where you want to buff a single party member because they died/got hit with debilitate, items exist

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:33 PM

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Yukari has attacking skills lol

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And Mitsuru is not a phys attacker even if she learns one (1) phys skill

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I think heat riser only needs to be obtained earlier

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if it were like a level 30-40 skill then i don't really think it'd be bad

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Its just the fact that its so late despite not really comparing too well to mataru/maraku that makes it feel worthless

potent fog Oct 11, 2024, 8:40 PM

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why does mitsu even learn phys in the first place, i can only assume it's becausethe skills she learns have a low ailment chance but why tf would you ever want to do that over marin karin or freeze fishing

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:45 PM

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I don't think the chance is explicit but yeah she has Fatal End and Neuro Slash iirc

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If she doesn't have the latter then ig it was an MQ addition

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:45 PM

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potent fog why does mitsu even learn phys in the first place, i can only assume it's becaus...

"low" ailment chance

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neuro slash has higher panic chance than tentarafoo lol

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its 50%

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:46 PM

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What about Fatal End?

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:46 PM

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she only has ailment phys in base game but in the dlc she has vorpal blade for some unknown reason

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:46 PM

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celest kindle What about Fatal End?

its like 35

potent fog Oct 11, 2024, 8:46 PM

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dreamy orchid neuro slash has higher panic chance than tentarafoo lol

wait what lmao

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:46 PM

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fear sucks anyways

potent fog Oct 11, 2024, 8:47 PM

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why tf does it say low instead of medium then

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:47 PM

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Does it??????

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:47 PM

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because atlus descriptions love to lie

potent fog Oct 11, 2024, 8:47 PM

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atlus is incapable of accurately conveying information to the player in skill descriptions

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:47 PM

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tentarafoo is 45% panic (worse than every other ailment for no reason) and neuro slash is 50% panic

iron pilot Oct 11, 2024, 8:47 PM

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dreamy orchid she only has ailment phys in base game but in the dlc she has vorpal blade for s...

Technically has Vorpal Blade in the boss fights before

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It makes more sense than Ken Myriad Arrows

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:48 PM

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Wait is Panic Confuse or Distress

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:48 PM

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ken only has myriad arrows because they need an obligatory pierce user

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"confuse"

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:48 PM

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Because if it's confuse i could see the logic

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:48 PM

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distress is a different thing

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:48 PM

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Well yeah but i think both could apply honestly

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:49 PM

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charm, confuse and fear have lower inflict rates than poison, distress and rage

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:49 PM

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Well anyway i think the reason why it has low chance is because it's a turn disabler skill pretty much

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And it's multi-target so

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:49 PM

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rage also disables turns and makes enemies take double damage

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:49 PM

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celest kindle And it's multi-target so

so is every ailment ??

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:49 PM

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They still attack and their attack is boosted

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:50 PM

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dreamy orchid so is every ailment ??

Pulinpa

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:50 PM

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pulinpa also has lower rates

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:50 PM

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Yeah because yk

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Single Target

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:50 PM

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celest kindle They still attack and their attack is boosted

basic attack stats are incredibly low in p3k

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like, low enough to deal like single digit damage

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rage also no longer gives double turns anymore

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:50 PM

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Yea but still the logic is they're pretty much disabled but they can still act out and their attack is boosted

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:51 PM

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i think rage is a much better disable than panic still lol

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so silly

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then neuro slash has higher rate than tentarafoo anyways despite dealing damage and having crit chance

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:51 PM

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Maybe doesn't work in practice due to balance shenanigans but you can understand why it's done the way it is

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:51 PM

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dreamy orchid so silly

Is that a P5 skill type icon

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:52 PM

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they use p5 icons for every newsona game

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its just easier ig

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:52 PM

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dreamy orchid i think rage is a much better disable than panic still lol

For the player yeah

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More damage for you and you can usually tank what they dish out

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:52 PM

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dreamy orchid they use p5 icons for every newsona game

Damn

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:52 PM

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getting inflicted with rage is also much scarier than getting inflicted with panic

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:53 PM

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True but they can at least still act on their own so if you luck out they end up killing lol

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Panic is a full on action disabler so no turn for you

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:53 PM

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celest kindle Damn

Would've preferred they have each game's icon but it's probably like you said, it's easier

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Dumb skull for dark skills it is ig lol

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:54 PM

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i mean

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healing and support skills have the same icon in p3/4

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so that'd be less intuitive since they're different affinities lol

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icons are also not coloured in those games

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:55 PM

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Hmmmmmm

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True ig....

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But you do have Reload for P3 icons now

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That separates em

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Nothing for P4 yet though

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Gotta wait for P4 Rewind lmao

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Wonder if they're gonna do like Kiwami thing and P4 remake is Persona 4: Reload

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 8:56 PM

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why would it be reload

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its called reload because they use guns

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perusona 4 rewind

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luckily we live in bliss for now

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metaphor financial empire will dominate for a while

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 8:57 PM

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dreamy orchid its called reload because they use guns

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NzQae-X3wnB-G2ts9Tp5fTYVpu6Dphl9ZgqTuWGCZcg/https/media.tenor.com/ck3HtwdhS00AAAPo/not-drake-not-drake.mp4

▶ Play video

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Still i could honestly see it being a Kiwami style thing for the naming but I'd prefer Rewind for theming

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 9:01 PM

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i'd prefer no remake at all but we don't always get what we want

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anyways this chat is for the mod so discussion should probs stay about the mod lol

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"2.0 when"

west swift Oct 11, 2024, 9:04 PM

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I'm guessing 2.0 is a while out lol

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at a certain point I feel like I'm just going to decide, ok, maybe I should try MQ in its current state

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 9:16 PM

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I mean I don't think it's a bad experience as is

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And iirc Meovv is gonna introduce different roles between EP Aigis and The Journey so a Journey playthrough is worth trying out imo

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 9:18 PM

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kinda feel like them following the same rules would be more intuitive still

west swift Oct 11, 2024, 9:25 PM

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is there a reason they're going to be balanced differently anyways?

dreamy orchid Oct 11, 2024, 9:27 PM

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i think meovv's idea was having theurgia pierce in base game but not le answer but i don't really know why it needs it in either setting

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 9:34 PM

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dreamy orchid kinda feel like them following the same rules would be more intuitive still

Yeah though different rule sets for different environments does make sense as well

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It's up to Meovv ultimately

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Who knows they could've just changed their mind atp and what I've said is null

west swift Oct 11, 2024, 9:36 PM

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I wanna hear their reasoning bc my first impression is that I'd want them to be reasonably consistent with each other so I'm not essentially learning two different rulesets

potent fog Oct 11, 2024, 9:49 PM

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have they specified why theurgy would be disabled in EA? i feel like they've been more or less properly tuned in the base game version and it's pretty drastic of a change even compared to no items in battle

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not to mention it's kind of a huge bummer to cut one of the coolest features of the game entirely instead of just toning it down

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 9:56 PM

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celest kindle Who knows they could've just changed their mind atp and what I've said is null

i changed my mind because the conversation and feedback about p3r and mq has become so cynical and tiring that it's completely drained me of any desire to keep going

2.0 is going to be focused around whatever i think is most fun regardless of balance or how much it fits the original game's themes. that means reworked stuff just like the original MQ, but also new skills and ways to interact with all the boost shit reload added

i'm confident it'll still be a more challenging experience than vanilla p3r, but i mean this 100% sincerely when i say i really don't give a shit anymore lol, too much cynicism for me to want to bother with when the point was just making something fun

potent fog Oct 11, 2024, 10:00 PM

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that's definitely valid, even though i have my issues with some stuff reload did differently it has been pretty irritating how intense and uncharitable so much of the criticism has been.

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:00 PM

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with that said yeah some theurgies won't pierce anymore

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but some will also be buffed

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Yukari's will do double damage to charmed enemies, for example

potent fog Oct 11, 2024, 10:03 PM

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that feels like a good way to go about it, like yeah you could just recreate FES exactly as it is, but FES isn't exactly a bastion of perfect JRPG balance either haha. I'd definitely agree that going with what feels right to you is a lot healther of an approach, and worst case scenario you can always go back and change stuff if things don't work out

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even if there were such a thing as a perfect way to balance a game, putting yourself to that standard right out the gate, combined with thematic consideration too, feels like you'd end up burning yourself out pretty quick. there's a reason games like that are made by more than one person and cost a ton of money to make lmao

west swift Oct 11, 2024, 10:11 PM

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seems like a good way to go about things. sorry to hear that about MQ but I am looking forward to trying 2.0 out

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:11 PM

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gotta finish metaphor first anyway

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🥴

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 10:11 PM

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hollow trail Yukari's will do double damage to charmed enemies, for example

I'm guessing you'll also give her a charm skill

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:12 PM

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maybe holy arrow, but its not like she needs it

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the bonus would combo with mitsuru or mc

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 10:12 PM

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Ah so you're gonna make her more like a combo fighter?

west swift Oct 11, 2024, 10:13 PM

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hollow trail gotta finish metaphor first anyway

don't worry I've got sparking zero and a bunch of games on my backlog so no rush lmao

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:13 PM

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not necessarily, i just want leveraging all possible mult sources to be a common thing

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so weak + down + passive + shift + whatever

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to maximize as much as possible

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 10:13 PM

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ic

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Well I'm down for it either way

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A new experience's always fun

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Well not always but i like to think they always are

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:15 PM

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ailmentable bosses and minion spawns in bosses are something i want to experiment with

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also, and yes i know this sounds dumb, removing the boost cap

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but reload is already about insane damage so what's a little more

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 10:16 PM

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Insane damage with enemies that can take it or insane damage that's just insane?

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:17 PM

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oh they'll be able to take it yeah

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i tested an optimal satanael with 8 passives and i was doing like 17k with dreamfest

west swift Oct 11, 2024, 10:17 PM

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makes me wonder how it will play if you don't go and stack a bunch of buffs

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:17 PM

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probably the same as smtv

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smtv and p3r aren't too different in the damage department, but smtv bosses are way bulkier and that's the main difference imo

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they also hit harder

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and there's more skill variety

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a karn in smtv isn't a guaranteed loss prevention for example

west swift Oct 11, 2024, 10:19 PM

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sounds like it gives people an out if they don't stack boosts, they'll just be fighting for longer lol

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seems reasonable enough to me

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:19 PM

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thing is, why wouldn't you stack boosts

west swift Oct 11, 2024, 10:19 PM

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cuz you suck at the game adachi_true

iron pilot Oct 11, 2024, 10:20 PM

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I'm stupid

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:20 PM

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not having damage isn't some quirky and niche alternate strat, it's just a skill issue

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if you're a damage dealer you want boosts

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period

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they're objective

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supports dont need it ofc

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they're supporting

west swift Oct 11, 2024, 10:21 PM

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~~also please make Yukari good again I miss her being useful~~

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:22 PM

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yeah ofc i need to figure something out

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but magic being stronger is already one step there

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 10:22 PM

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You could look at weapons to help her damage

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She has no phys skills but if you could make her weapon damage be good i think that could help too

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:23 PM

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i frankly have no issue with giving her holy arrow and poison arrow

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 10:24 PM

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That also works but looking at weapons could be interesting too

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:24 PM

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weapon issue is they all need to have 2x or 3x the damage to be useful

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they're great in metaphor btw

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im doing the first dungeon weapon only almost

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lmfao

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 10:24 PM

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Why are they halved anyway?

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:24 PM

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probably because they're free

iron pilot Oct 11, 2024, 10:25 PM

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hollow trail they're great in metaphor btw

Weapon scales your skills in that one so it has to be good

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By itself

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And RTC stuffs

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:25 PM

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oh fr

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it scales phys?

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 10:25 PM

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hollow trail probably because they're free

What?

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:25 PM

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celest kindle What?

weapons are free to use

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no hp/sp

iron pilot Oct 11, 2024, 10:26 PM

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And magic

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Whatever

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 10:26 PM

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Oh that

iron pilot Oct 11, 2024, 10:26 PM

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Weapon is just part of the calc

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:26 PM

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iron pilot And magic

oh, coolio

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thats nice

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 10:26 PM

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Phys has damage fall off also

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Health based

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:26 PM

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not correct

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that's a brawler thing

celest kindle Oct 11, 2024, 10:26 PM

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Oh, it's Brawler exclusive?

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:26 PM

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it's specified by the skill description

west swift Oct 11, 2024, 10:26 PM

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huh

hollow trail Oct 11, 2024, 10:26 PM

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usually brawler yes

errant pumice Oct 11, 2024, 10:26 PM

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I really enjoyed MQ 1.0, I’ll let you cook for MQ 2.0, I believe 2.0 will be great.

By the way, I hope you enjoy Metaphor!

west swift Oct 11, 2024, 10:26 PM

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oh

iron pilot Oct 11, 2024, 10:27 PM

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Bro thought we were gossiping about him

west swift Oct 11, 2024, 10:27 PM

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all I know is that I'm supposedly pretty good in metaphor

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