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iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:32 AM

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dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:33 AM

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i like that this fight proves they know sukukaja affects multitarget skills

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:33 AM

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Honestly same

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:33 AM

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iron pilot https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1281400832822214818/1284708246417969284...

Skill issue

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:33 AM

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Although I poisoned the tower

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Lol

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:33 AM

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iron pilot https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1281400832822214818/1284708246417969284...

piss easy bruh

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:33 AM

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Nah I won without theurgia after this

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:34 AM

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bruh i was watching that vid and it looked like a sloooooogggg but maybe you should've just had poison boosters fr

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:34 AM

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hollow trail piss easy bruh

keep in mind he is using underleveled members here

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the boss did not deal close to that damage when i fought it lol

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:34 AM

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dreamy orchid bruh i was watching that vid and it looked like a sloooooogggg but maybe you sho...

i was wondering "why the fuck is this 18 minutes long"

"why is he spamming distress"

"why is he leaving the sword for last"

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then it clicked in

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ah

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theurgyless

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TeddieSalute

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:35 AM

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still think you could've optimised it more by just like

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:35 AM

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Super tarunda!!!

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:35 AM

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attacking the sword with strike then passing to mitsuru to distress again

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but ig you didn't wanna risk the damage

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:35 AM

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my honest reaction

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Deicidal Poison (Samael)465
Decreases all foes' Accuracy/Evasion for 3 turns. High chance of Poison.

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:35 AM

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dreamy orchid still think you could've optimised it more by just like

I could but I'm broke and I haven't former my growth system yet

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Formed*

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I just used a raw Samael lmao

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:36 AM

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cool that ailments are actually able to be used in these fights though, just wish i had a reason to engage with that

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:36 AM

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what if justice was high ailment chance instead of high crit chance and it was also freaky instead

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aigis theurgies are pretty ailment oriented i think it would fit

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:36 AM

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i'm not rly the type of person to say "you control the buttons you press" because the temptation to press the big red nuke button is wayyyy too high

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:36 AM

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Skill issue

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:37 AM

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hollow trail what if justice was high ailment chance instead of high crit chance and it was a...

what if instead of being 80 power pierce with 100% accuracy, 50% crit and ignoring resistances it was 50% current hp light damage to all foes with 50% accuracy

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:37 AM

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yuki ass response

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:37 AM

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I just follow this, though I don't think it's 100% accurate since I got sinful shelled many times without knowing what rule I broke

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:37 AM

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be fr now

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ailment would fit

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:37 AM

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i have my own ideas for justice but i do think making it light would be a baseline improvement

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:37 AM

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Our justice is the 10 plagues

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:37 AM

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make it more unique in general lol

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:37 AM

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i was gonna keep it pierce but with way lower crit

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billcosbyTRUE

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and ailment

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light works ig

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:38 AM

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ehhh

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:38 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/prince-egypt-of-frogs-hop-jump-gif-14491962

Tenor

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:38 AM

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she has two pierce theurgias

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:38 AM

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she's the pierce robot it's her nature

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:38 AM

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and p3 protag doesn't get a light one

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dreamfest is also dark now so it'd mean she covers light and dark with it

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:38 AM

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dreamfest can be made fully support btw

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since there's no total and anim supports it

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:38 AM

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i think it being fully ailment is more hype

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:38 AM

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Light phys

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:39 AM

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im just not sure if full ailment would be good

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:39 AM

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give it debuff too or something

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:39 AM

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might make it outright useless in comparison

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:39 AM

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fuckinmg

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:39 AM

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its still only good for joker atm

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:39 AM

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new moon dreamfest that is aoe debilitate instead of charm lmao

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:39 AM

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ehhh

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:40 AM

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charm + knockdown (jack bros reference) + dekaja (raktapaksha reference)

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:40 AM

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80% charm does have freaky potential to synergize with cyclone arrow tho

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yo

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wait

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:40 AM

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i think all of them being high damage nukes is cringe

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:40 AM

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waitwait

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:40 AM

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more utility shit is cooler

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:40 AM

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let me cook

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:40 AM

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New MQ Update:

Moon dreamfest has been moved to mitsuru and it's just Marin Karin

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:40 AM

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LET ME COOK

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get this

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dark element

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medium damage

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charm

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shift to shift boost yukari

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cyclone arrow

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demi_woke

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:41 AM

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dreamfest is "severe" damage in base game

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:41 AM

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ik

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:41 AM

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Let me cook actually

Incubus just pierces shadows with his cock

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:41 AM

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its later than king and i with a worse affect so kinda needs to be stronger ig

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:41 AM

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i'm nerfing the dmg if it's more utility shit

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could debilitate too

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idk man

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just ailment is kinda mid in bosses

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if it could pierce bosses ailment resists

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:42 AM

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just ailment doesn't rly work in a game where it takes like 3-5 turns to charge it

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i think ailment + support effect could be cool

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:42 AM

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Ailments suck in game where majority nulls at the end

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:42 AM

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wait i need to test this actually, what if i made the boss resists for ailments "Block" instead of "BlockNEUTRAL"

would theurgy pierce it

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that could be nice

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:43 AM

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hahahahah

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:43 AM

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hollow trail i was wondering "why the fuck is this 18 minutes long" "why is he spamming dist...

For the record, I was faster than some with theurgia and higher level

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:43 AM

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make justice light with instakill chance that pierces resistances

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and see if that lets it bypass lmao

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:43 AM

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you know what

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i'm gonna do just that

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let me make justice 100% instakill chance and make erebus base null light

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errr

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charm might be a better idea

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do akihiko and ken null ailments

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ik aki can be dizzied

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:44 AM

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not dizzy

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but idk about normal ones

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:44 AM

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let me make dreamfest freaky then

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one sec

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ok

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aki and ken have "block" on charm

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and freakyfest is 100% charm

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time to test

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:48 AM

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Why are you seducing a child

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:49 AM

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freakyhiko

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ken goes first?

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modcheck

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:49 AM

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What mods are you using? lol

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:49 AM

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i dont remember that

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:50 AM

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hollow trail ken goes first?

might be ag related

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:50 AM

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? He always did

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:50 AM

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i don't member if its scripted in base game

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:50 AM

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Or do you mean start of the fight

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:50 AM

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aw boo it doesn't pierce through affinities

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yeah start of fight

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:50 AM

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its over

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:50 AM

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Hmmm that is odd

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:50 AM

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wait does ken really go after aki

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before i mean

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bleh

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:51 AM

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yes

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kek

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:51 AM

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that's like anti-synergy

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:51 AM

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I SAID THIS SO MANY TIMES

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koro/junpei is the only one that works

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:51 AM

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logically ken should go second because of vile assault

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:51 AM

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and shock

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:51 AM

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Ken goes first

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He almost killed me that was funny

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:51 AM

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that's so cringe bruh

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:51 AM

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im gonna try BLOCKWeak now

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but i have doubts

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:52 AM

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if ken were second it'd be way better fr

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:52 AM

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dreamy orchid if ken were second it'd be way better fr

i can swap it

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:52 AM

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Both of them are stupid they tried to hit phys on Aigis twice

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With Arahabaki on

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:52 AM

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hollow trail i can swap it

that's good at least

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its just funny that there's like actual anti-synergy

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:52 AM

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Ken's first in FES too

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:52 AM

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dumb af

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:52 AM

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Both of them are stupid, they don’t even have the right party stats/moves! smh

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:53 AM

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akifreako should knock down for amada sweep

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:53 AM

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errant pumice Both of them are stupid, they don’t even have the right party stats/moves! smh

honestly this has always bugged me

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especially junpei having maragidyne

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:53 AM

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lol

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i can fix it

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i just need to swap their actual position

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in the formation table

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bit annoying but it works

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:54 AM

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errant pumice Both of them are stupid, they don’t even have the right party stats/moves! smh

Junpeak's being nice

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:54 AM

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Doesn’t Junpei have a higher magic stat than his strength stat in the battle?

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:54 AM

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He doesn't want to bust out Vorpal Blade yet

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:54 AM

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LOL IT FOCUSED ON AKI'S DICK FOR KEN'S DIALOGUE

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:54 AM

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lol???

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:54 AM

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oh ok nvm i can't swap them

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it hardcodes ken first

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unless i like

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literally swapped the blueprints

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:54 AM

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can you keep it changed just for aki cock cam

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:54 AM

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yuki ass comment

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:55 AM

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I didn't say it.

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:55 AM

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ok yeah theurgies cannot pierce ailment resistance no matter what

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:55 AM

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dreamy orchid can you keep it changed just for aki cock cam

You might be cooking something here

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I’m kidding

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:55 AM

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Cooking bullcock

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Oh yeah Junpei was staring at Akihiko's speedo once

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:10 AM

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one thing i need to test

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is to mod a battle formation to see if it crashes if i go past 5

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i have a really fucking funny idea with a boss that just summons more and more and more shadows if you don't check it

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:12 AM

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Sounds like an fes answer boss

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:12 AM

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in any case i will at least be able to make full moon bosses spawn downable minions

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which is good for getting shift boost to proc in those

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billcosbyTRUE

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:12 AM

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its funny that in base episode aigis, metis' theurgia charge condition and trait are just not applicable for the final boss

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almost incentivised not to bring her if her base kit weren't so cracked

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:13 AM

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i dont mind too much

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:13 AM

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if akihiko had a better theurgia i'd unironically run him instead

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:13 AM

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Being an Akasha Arts spammer by default is slready goated

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:13 AM

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why does ken's feel so shit

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when the power is actually not that bad

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:13 AM

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his theurgia?

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:13 AM

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yes

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:13 AM

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His base stats suck

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:13 AM

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generally lower offensive stats than some other characters along with less access to boosts

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:14 AM

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Also only Amp by default

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:14 AM

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ken can only get light boost + amp

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and running light boost means no pierce boost

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so generally you wouldn't bother

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:14 AM

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except for jonkling the jorker

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:14 AM

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akihiko's has lower base but he has higher combined offensive stats, more boosters innate and buff amp

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:14 AM

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Jonkle'd all over the place

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:15 AM

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so he hits quite a bit harder

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:15 AM

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hollow trail except for jonkling the jorker

Also nah Midsuru's the play again

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:15 AM

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unironically ken theurgia feels worse than myriad arrows most of the time

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its free though and has high dizzy chance so good to spam it off cooldown before his op one is unlocked

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:15 AM

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i hate divine retribution

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so much

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cyclone arrow too but not as much

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:15 AM

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give it down bonus pussy

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cruel attack but awesomer

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:16 AM

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does down bonus work on magic

also it would mog yukari because down is more common than charm

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:16 AM

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down bonus is 1.5x tho

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charm bonus is 2x

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and yes it works on everything

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:16 AM

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Regular down bonus is 1.2x

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Hmmmmm

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:16 AM

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could also just lower its base to compensate for the down bonus buff

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:16 AM

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mayb

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:16 AM

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You can't jonkle the jonker in that case

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:16 AM

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would be shit on undownables

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:17 AM

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Midsuru sweep???

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:17 AM

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i think they should ideally all have a gimmick though and only down bonus and instakill would fit ken, and down bonus is far more practical of the two

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:17 AM

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hollow trail i have a really fucking funny idea with a boss that just summons more and more a...

i really want to test this bro imagine a mf stalling and the boss gets tired of your stalling ass and just spawns 30 gatekeepers

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the earrape with aoe skills

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dark

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:18 AM

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now the real question

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is wtf do you do with hound of hades lmao

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:19 AM

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ok so

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wait

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let me list them

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Cyclone Arrow: Heartbreaker bonus
Hack n Blast: Phys
Lightning Spike: ???
Blizzard Edge: Freeze
Divine Retribution: Down Bonus
Hound of Hades: ???
Orgia Mode: Is orgia mode
Bleeding Fury: Phys

Tranquility: Is already support
Blaze of Life: Self Diarahan (Boring, but it's all that fits)
Electric Onslaught: ???
Blade of Execution: Debilitate + Crit Chance
Divine Intervention: Is already support
Power Howling: Is already support
Maximum Firepower: Phys
Blitz Charge: Phys

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Then the mc ones ig

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:24 AM

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feel like phys ones should be differentiated a bit too

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:24 AM

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Lightning Spike's ok as is tbh it's AoE Cyclone Arrow

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With tarukaja

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:24 AM

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could give junpei's one lower base than magic ones but like higher crit chance to fit with his characteristic

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:24 AM

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gamblebait

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:25 AM

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also can incentivise blaze of life over it a bit more for pure damage

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:25 AM

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iron pilot Lightning Spike's ok as is tbh it's AoE Cyclone Arrow

just kinda boring though innit

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:25 AM

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It's buff amp boy

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:25 AM

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i feel like some kind of debuff thing could fit the akifreako ones just because that was his shtick

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:26 AM

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That's the perk

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:26 AM

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Masukunda lets gooo

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:26 AM

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mahatarunda on lightning spike so that he still technically has tarunda in the kit?

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:26 AM

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Idk distress + shock?

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:26 AM

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that's a grief

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:26 AM

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Super tarunda combo

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:26 AM

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if you get shock

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Tarunda + Distress would be funny as fuck

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but the shock chance tho

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:27 AM

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if only you could make elemental shit crit

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:27 AM

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Everyone has triumvirate passives it's fine

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:27 AM

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imagine electric onslaught with crit chance

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would be heat

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:27 AM

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Null shock/freeze/dizzy

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:27 AM

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lmfao turn it into strike but keep the shock

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:27 AM

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You said strike would be shit though

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i suggested this b4

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:28 AM

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it'd be better than elec but it kinda further disincentivises using the elec one

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:28 AM

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They're saying make it phys elec I think

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:28 AM

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nah phys elec would be meaningless here cus no crit and it already scales on both stats

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:28 AM

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physelec cant crit so it wouldn't matter

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yeah

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same scale

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:28 AM

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i think strike with shock could work but it feels like a lazy solution

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something more gimmicky could be more fun but mitsuru already stole debilitate

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ig i'm not opposed to making it strike so long as piercing resistance is removed from theurgia

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:29 AM

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it's bad if lightning strike can also shock

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:29 AM

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so there's reason to use the other one

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:29 AM

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straight downgrade

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:29 AM

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make lightning spike do mahatarunda

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:29 AM

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dreamy orchid ig i'm not opposed to making it strike so long as piercing resistance is removed...

i was thinking of doing that in episode aigis only tbh

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but if it fits journey, sure

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:29 AM

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i think it'd work in both

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especially cus magic characters all learn breaks

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including akipeako now

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:30 AM

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what about ken and dog

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can't break there

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maybe they could pierce still

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:30 AM

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give their ones funny gimmicks to compensate

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 6:30 AM

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dog cause fear, dog is scary

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:30 AM

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or like, just let them pierce ig

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dog having pierce could be fine i think

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:30 AM

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pierce as a gimmick itself is quite lazy

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:30 AM

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Give fear 100% crit again

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:30 AM

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lol?

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:30 AM

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well pierce + something else maybe

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koromaru theurgia ghastly wail effect 🔥

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:31 AM

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ghastly wail

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LOL

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my thoughts exactly

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it's bad tho

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:31 AM

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i still think down bonus on ken would be heat

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idk what to do for koromaru tho

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maybe full moon bonus? but doesn't apply for episode aigis and is kinda lame either way

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:31 AM

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power howling objectively too good

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:32 AM

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literally wtf fits koromaru bro

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:32 AM

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He dodges

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A lot

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:32 AM

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masukunda is boring bro

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:32 AM

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he already has auto-sukundeez anyways

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also like

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can't even give it ailments or something creative like knockdown cus every fucking boss nulls ailments from dark skills

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 6:33 AM

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I wonder if it's possible to do a fire/ice/wind/elec break all stacked up in a therugy move

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:33 AM

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errant pumice I wonder if it's possible to do a fire/ice/wind/elec break all stacked up in a t...

it is

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:33 AM

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lol auto masukunda makes koro objectively the worst joker party member

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it is and the mod is getting that

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:33 AM

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no he cures it turn one

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:33 AM

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not as theurgy though

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:34 AM

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his first turn is always dekaja + hiito raisah

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:34 AM

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Don't worry bro he can do Revolution

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Trust

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:34 AM

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i think koro's theurgia being dark element straight up makes it inherently bad

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:34 AM

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lol?

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:34 AM

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can't give it gimmicks cus bosses need to null dark ailments due to mudo

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:35 AM

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ah

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instakill feared is bad too because every single boss needs to null fear

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it's not approachable

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:36 AM

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could also just give it 100% instakill so it one shots things in randoms

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like be fr, nobody using it over power howling against bosses anyways

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:36 AM

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it already instakills by itself

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it's randoms

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low hp

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also it's single target isn't it

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:36 AM

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Yeah

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:36 AM

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unless you made it slash with some gimmick or something 😈

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:36 AM

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fuck it 400 base

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 6:36 AM

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iron pilot Don't worry bro he can do Revolution

The Answer fights be like: "Nah, ken does instead, he really needs it"

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:36 AM

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Troll

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:37 AM

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honestly?

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making it massive is probably the only solution

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:37 AM

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errant pumice The Answer fights be like: "Nah, ken does instead, he really needs it"

hits Arahabaki

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:37 AM

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cus he has power howling innate bro

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:37 AM

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not in ep aigis

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:37 AM

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nobody using this over that

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yea but in ep aigis his theurgia is still ass

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weakest in the party

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:37 AM

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Koro will beat Junpeak

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:37 AM

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besides maybe ken but ken charges like twice as fast

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:37 AM

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Zamn

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:37 AM

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Massive might be the ticket ig

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acceptable damage with potential to be #1 with incense

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:38 AM

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just make koro massive in place of having a gimmick

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and let others have more interesting stuff

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uh, what about metisu

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orgia i think is fine but the 2nd one kinda boring af

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:38 AM

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i mean i liked it but yeah

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:38 AM

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no the anim is cool

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but the effect is literally worse hack n blast

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same stats but worse crit

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:39 AM

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is it really, i always sister boosted it so it did 10k damage

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:39 AM

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well metis is just cracked either way

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but yeah its 250 base with 10% crit i think

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whereas hack n blast is the same but with 20% crit

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:40 AM

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just 10%, felt like way more

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:40 AM

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I never felt it Crit myself

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:40 AM

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oh its 15%

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:40 AM

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Then again i only popped it three times rn

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Oh it's just Aigis but strike

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Lol

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(foreshadowing)

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:41 AM

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but yeah idk, i think phys theurgias need differentiated a little

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:41 AM

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how other than just fucking with critrate

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you can't multihit a theurgy

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lol imagine

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:41 AM

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junpei lower base but crit focused, shinji maybe higher base but low crit, aigis idk let her pierce resistances cus missiles and shit

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:42 AM

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missiles and shit aren't supposed to work on shadows!!!

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:42 AM

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erm akshually this is deboonked

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weaponry is enhanced by perusona abilities

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:43 AM

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ok I'll make the Pierce skills Pierce 😎

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:43 AM

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this is canonical reason for why weapons have effects too

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:43 AM

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Do you guys just have the urge to make Aigis flip before entering doors or going down stairs

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:43 AM

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yes

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i did it with mc too

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:43 AM

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also make aigis orgia mode strike tbh

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her having both a strike and pierce theurgia would be cool

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anim looks strike anyways

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:43 AM

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Metis foreshadowing

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:43 AM

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it would but no one would realistically spec it because it's fucking orgy mode

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:43 AM

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yeah but akasha arts is fucking heat bro

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:44 AM

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Synergy with strike boost gun

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:44 AM

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fuck primal force, we gamble here

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:44 AM

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primal slash

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:44 AM

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Who tf uses Primal mid

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:44 AM

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akasha slashes

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:44 AM

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akasha with just amp is better on average than primal with boost and amp

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in mq akasha sweeps

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:45 AM

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Sukukaja

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Use it

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:45 AM

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akipeako

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but yeah idk maximum firepower piercing could be neat

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could let charging blitz do that as well since metis would now be the only member whose theurgias are both the same element

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assuming akihiko's 2nd one becomes strike

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:46 AM

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Slashing Blitz

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billcosbyTRUE

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:46 AM

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it ends with that sick drop kick though

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:46 AM

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I'm trolling

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:46 AM

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herculean slash

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:46 AM

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yes

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herculean shot

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:47 AM

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Herculeandyne

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:47 AM

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maha heracledhainn

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:47 AM

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I can't believe they replaced rock dad with a woman in this game

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Unbelievable

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:47 AM

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who

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:48 AM

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Oh right it's not Ouyamatsumi in P3

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:48 AM

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so like

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are any ideas being settled on rn

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:48 AM

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Dakini gives Herculean Strike first instead of Ubelluris (he gone)

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:48 AM

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more or less it's just that I'd like having support effects tied in

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if they can't, more power

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if they can, less power

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:49 AM

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i think matarunda on lightning spike is a pretty free one at the very least

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especially cus he's getting sukunda/tarukaja now instead

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:49 AM

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i also want protag theurgies to not exceed Heavy in power, to incentivize Best Friends strats

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:49 AM

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could also rework best friends into aoe hiito raisah

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:49 AM

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the charge is cracked though

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:49 AM

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Me with the concentrate Arahabaki/Bloody Charge Abaddon

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:49 AM

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as opposed to charge + concentrate to one (fuuka does this to all)

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by the time you realistically get decarabia though you have revelation

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aoe heat riser at least matches fuuka's thing and is on demand

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whereas best friends is like 3x worse than an effect fuuka can do

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:50 AM

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I've used best friends in the answer to pull off an instakill with metis and it felt pretty nice

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:50 AM

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especially if you're adding donum gladi/donum magici

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:50 AM

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but yea

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:50 AM

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I had auto charge

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So I uh

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:51 AM

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metis already has charge tho 😭

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:51 AM

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she didn't

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:51 AM

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I quick kill Mitsuru/Yukari

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:51 AM

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at that time

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or if she did it was like

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turn order

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:51 AM

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hmm

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:51 AM

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she was right after so i just did best friends

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and finished faster

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optimal routing

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:51 AM

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objectively the best people to receive best friends are ken, akihiko and endgame mitsuru

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:52 AM

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and yourself

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:52 AM

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nah its not worth on protag cus her theurgias are insane

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and she has easy access to charge/concentrate

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:52 AM

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why charge them if you can just use those insane ones then

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:53 AM

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there are scenarios where party members could be better

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but i also agree that best friends usage is very limited

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which is why i'm in favour of reworking it personally

warm dew Sep 19, 2024, 6:53 AM

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Akihiko is probably single most useful person to use best friends on isnt he?

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:53 AM

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Arguably 0 use cases honestly

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:53 AM

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warm dew Akihiko is probably single most useful person to use best friends on isnt he?

junpei

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:53 AM

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warm dew Akihiko is probably single most useful person to use best friends on isnt he?

ken debatably better now especially for mid game due to myriad arrows

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:53 AM

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concentrate blaze of life + charged brave blade

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:53 AM

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Especially in the answer, you get concentrate and charge herbs for free

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:54 AM

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okay but if you have the equips needed for blaze of life, his brave blade will be kinda mid

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:54 AM

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You can run Fire Amp sword and Slash Amp equip

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Remember

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It's fine

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:55 AM

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meanwhile ken getting light boost, light amp and pierce amp from his equips 🔥

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or metis with like fucking wind boost boots and other silly shit

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all of metis' equips felt so random lol

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like wdym my armour gives me slash boost are you insane

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:56 AM

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junpei with like +20 Luck from equips alone at one point was really funny

warm dew Sep 19, 2024, 6:56 AM

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tbf all the answer armors are weird

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:56 AM

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i had +13 str on ken from equips

warm dew Sep 19, 2024, 6:56 AM

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feels like theyre randomly generated as you open the chest

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:56 AM

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Same

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that's a good thing imo

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:57 AM

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ken is so cracked

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actual haxman

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:57 AM

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gambling is fun

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:57 AM

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one shots all encounters before aigis even gets a turn

warm dew Sep 19, 2024, 6:57 AM

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true

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gambling is funNY

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:57 AM

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i need to get dragon boots and pierce amp accessory for ken

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no +13str will hurt but the auto-tarukabellion is worth

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:58 AM

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Technically they're presets but there's just 69420 of them

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:58 AM

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yeah its like fake rng equips, which is clever

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:58 AM

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I need firm stance legs and another enduring soul shoe

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And I'm gonna beat up the jonkler after incense

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 6:58 AM

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Firm stance/enduring soul is my favorite combo

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:58 AM

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what if onslaught is Strike Tarunda + Distress

and Lightning Strike is AoE medium with 80% shock

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:58 AM

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i like that it adds back the more roguelike feel at least, even if it'd fit tartarus better than abyss of time lol

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:59 AM

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errant pumice Firm stance/enduring soul is my favorite combo

L combo except for Jonkler tbh

warm dew Sep 19, 2024, 6:59 AM

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what even is the strategy for Jonker

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:59 AM

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hollow trail what if onslaught is Strike Tarunda + Distress and Lightning Strike is AoE medi...

i think just keeping shock on both is better ngl, the anims kinda support it

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 6:59 AM

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You kill him

warm dew Sep 19, 2024, 6:59 AM

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i havent gotten that far into the answer yet

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 6:59 AM

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rename it to just Onslaught because you removed the elec from it lmao

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 6:59 AM

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dreamy orchid i think just keeping shock on both is better ngl, the anims kinda support it

it's just that the shock is a 50% roll to grief

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 6:59 AM

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warm dew what even is the strategy for Jonker

Don't the break rules or he pulls a gun at your face

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 7:00 AM

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dreamy orchid rename it to just Onslaught because you removed the elec from it lmao

Distressing Onslaught lmfao

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 7:00 AM

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also i think 80% shock on an aoe kinda op tbh considering shock deletes turns

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it'd trivialise a lot of early tartarus bosses

warm dew Sep 19, 2024, 7:00 AM

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errant pumice Don't the break rules or he pulls a gun at your face

so Liz rules

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?

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 7:00 AM

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no

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way more than liz rules

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 7:00 AM

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No

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 7:00 AM

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like triple the rules

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 7:00 AM

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Worse

warm dew Sep 19, 2024, 7:00 AM

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im not fighting his ass then

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fuck that

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 7:00 AM

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Also different rules per phase

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 7:01 AM

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quadruple the rules of liz with no actual telegraphs for said rules

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 7:01 AM

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they literally disabled core mechanics like crits

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pure anti fun

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 7:01 AM

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@errant pumice how did you tank his hits with party though fr

warm dew Sep 19, 2024, 7:01 AM

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and I already thought Liz was a dogshit fight

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what a joke

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 7:01 AM

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He's not even hard

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 7:01 AM

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doesn't the megidolaon do like 800-1000 even with 99 en

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 7:02 AM

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dreamy orchid <@416012762788003840> how did you tank his hits with party though fr

99 En fr

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You just revive them I guess

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 7:02 AM

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wait is firm stance the solution

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 7:02 AM

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joker is the only fight in p3r where i unironically accept the use of the word "slog"

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 7:02 AM

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istg

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 7:02 AM

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Uh no, I don't think firm stance is for members

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 7:02 AM

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Incenses/revive spam

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 7:02 AM

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Only Aigis

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Except divine pillar you can give that to one person

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 7:03 AM

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divine pillar ken op

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oh wait ken can't even use his second theurgia lmao

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 7:03 AM

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Yeah you can't

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 7:03 AM

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errant pumice Incenses/revive spam

did you get 99 en on members

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or did you just babysit them

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 7:04 AM

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dreamy orchid did you get 99 en on members

No, I ran out of Material

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 7:04 AM

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peak

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what party you bring btw

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aki/mitsuru/junpei seems to be the go to

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 7:05 AM

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Aigis/Metis/Mitsuru/Ken

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Literally the opposite team, lol

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 7:05 AM

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Ken is mid

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He's not part of the superteam anymore dude

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 7:06 AM

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amada is hype though

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you don't see the vision

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 7:06 AM

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Yeah I'm not blind

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 7:06 AM

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gambler with like 2-3 turn theurgia charge for doing nothing

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for quick kill he's not part of the squad but like the quick kill is literally p3f armageddonless levels of obtuse

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 7:07 AM

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Nah...

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FES armageddonless is leagues above

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 7:08 AM

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true but i think its just as stupid

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technically less rng but like enough to where its straight up not worth going for

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 7:12 AM

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I'll just setup now

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I just need dead moon husks

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 7:13 AM

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i think fighting the boss at all seems like more work than its worth so maybe going for quick kill isn't as insane as i think

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 7:13 AM

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Yeah quick kill is also optimal for prep

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Less personas

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 7:13 AM

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it seems like there's so much to keep track of

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 7:13 AM

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You only need to build two of them from what I can tell

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I pick Telos/Baal Zebul

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Or Goemon if you use DLC

warm dew Sep 19, 2024, 7:13 AM

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iron pilot I just need dead moon husks

is dmh grind any less aggravating in the answer

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 7:14 AM

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....no

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But monad appears more often

warm dew Sep 19, 2024, 7:14 AM

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thats true

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 7:14 AM

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So no resets

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You need to monad either way for the HP/SP grind

warm dew Sep 19, 2024, 7:15 AM

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i at least find monads in the answer more fun than base game

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slightly

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does going into the lvl 3 door improve your odds of dmh at all or should I stick with the lvl 1 door to save on time

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 7:18 AM

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Honestly idk what level 1 doors give

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Does it guarantee material?

warm dew Sep 19, 2024, 7:22 AM

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I'm pretty sure they're guaranteed mats, but I also haven't gone into many lvl 1s

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 7:22 AM

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I always go 3 and never died yet

warm dew Sep 19, 2024, 7:23 AM

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usually same

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I can go check in a few min, just need to boot it up

warm dew Sep 19, 2024, 7:55 AM

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iron pilot Honestly idk what level 1 doors give

yes material is guaranteed from lvl 1s

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 8:00 AM

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Then yeah that's fine if you got all the needed equips

deft halo Sep 19, 2024, 9:40 AM

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What's even the point of using poison in mq? It deals what, 5% of hp per turn? The only reason to inflict is if the enemy is immune to everything else, and even then you should probably spend a turn doing something better. At least for player it blocks shifts and theurgies

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:09 PM

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there's a hard limit on summons

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can only have 5 units in a battle

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but at least summonables is figured out now

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 10:07 PM

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deft halo What's even the point of using poison in mq? It deals what, 5% of hp per turn? T...

Chip damage mostly

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 10:49 PM

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kinda old convo by now but here's everyone's levels so far

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 10:54 PM

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sheesh

inland crystal Sep 20, 2024, 12:16 PM

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i did ""speedruns"" of 3p/4g/5r and the way i got through it was just by having people to talk with in vc

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but if i was trying to get an actual good run i think i'd wanna die

potent fog Sep 20, 2024, 7:22 PM

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yeah thats definitely more understandable, just taking it not too seriously might be fun especially with other people to talk to, but actually trying for WR or just a competitive time in general sounds like actual torture lmao

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especially with how many factors are completely outside of your control in something like a JRPG even if you do plan around mitigating the randomness

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routing must be fuckin nuts too, like how tf do you even figure out the shortest possible route to clear the game without leaving yourself open to dying and having to redo tons of progress?

celest kindle Sep 20, 2024, 7:30 PM

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I mean it might just be a pain for the 100% category of a WR but 100% Speedrun on a big JRPG sounds like tall order

inland crystal Sep 21, 2024, 2:18 AM

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none of the persona games even have 100% categories

hollow trail Sep 21, 2024, 2:19 AM

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reload could tbh

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actually all of them can

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just put in full compendium and quest list

native garden Sep 21, 2024, 2:27 AM

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Can’t wait for that 35 hour world record of P3R:MQ 100% Merciless Speedrun

iron pilot Sep 21, 2024, 6:26 AM

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Yo @hollow trail does the shuffle time tweak on MQ would work on The answer

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I just want the guaranteed shuffle time per fight

hollow trail Sep 21, 2024, 8:33 AM

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im not sure because answer also has btlcalc of its own

iron pilot Sep 21, 2024, 8:40 AM

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Aw.

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Looks like I'm doing the grind raw

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This is gonna suck

hollow trail Sep 21, 2024, 8:51 AM

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you could just try billcosbyTRUE

iron pilot Sep 21, 2024, 8:57 AM

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True.

bronze seal Sep 21, 2024, 6:14 PM

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the only thing in it is metis stuff and some "MajorArcanaGetLimitAstrea", so i think it would still be using MustAppearMajorEncount from the normal btlcalc. maybe.

iron pilot Sep 22, 2024, 12:39 AM

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Sounds promising

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:05 AM

#

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the formula isn't the best but it shows the problem kinda lol

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( ( ( sqrtPow*2ifAoE ) * 10 ) * avgHits ) + (crit*2)

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(castor and dlc are excluded)

celest kindle Sep 23, 2024, 12:09 AM

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What problem?

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The skill power progression being weird?

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:09 AM

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the problem of very early skills overshadowing later, much worse skills

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keeping things fully vertical is also bad, but a straight up downward trend is worst

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this formula isnt perfect because you'd never do aoe against a single target

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it's less damage

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@dreamy orchid do you have a take on this

celest kindle Sep 23, 2024, 12:13 AM

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I think the point could be illustrated better if you separated stuff for Single Target and Multi Target

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But yeah i think i can def see it

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Looking at only the single targets they look all over the place

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:14 AM

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they should not be separated because they are all learned on the same xp curve

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in technical terms, aoe phys is "best", unless there is only one target

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so it gets a multiplier to the score

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x2.0 might be too high but idk

celest kindle Sep 23, 2024, 12:15 AM

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Yea it's just a little confusing for viewing because of some skills going way up the going back down in the sheet

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:15 AM

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thats the point

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they're ordered by the rank atlus gave them

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if it's wrong, it's because they're learned wrong

celest kindle Sep 23, 2024, 12:16 AM

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Oh

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Oh wow it looks even more fucked up when you consider that

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:17 AM

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it lines up with fatal end, neuro slash and tempest slash being garbage

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i could just do a full swap on the skills, or i could adjust powers so it's linear

celest kindle Sep 23, 2024, 12:17 AM

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Zan-Ei somehow being learnt before Fatal End ???????

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:17 AM

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i'm removing vacuum slash from the game either way

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swapping it with power slash (fes)

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and changing power slash to cleave

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50>30 pwr
5>10% crit
=7% hp
=1 foe
92>90% acc
Name>Cleave

Vacuum Slash
85>88 pwr
5% crit
14>10% hp
all foe>1 foe
90>92% acc
Name>Power Slash

Zan-ei
100 pwr
1.75 bonus
10% hp
1 foe
88>80% acc

Getsu-ei
180>100 pwr
1.75 bonus
13>10% hp
1 foe
90>80% acc```

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i dont want to straight up do fes values

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thats why im doing these calcs

celest kindle Sep 23, 2024, 12:18 AM

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Yea that's a good way to figure the numbers out

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So no AOE Slash Skill till Neuro Slash

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:20 AM

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you read the list wrong

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Troll

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you get blade of fucking fury earlier

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thats how busted it is

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mq already makes it a bit better because matador and goemon won't learn it

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matador has andalucia

celest kindle Sep 23, 2024, 12:21 AM

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hollow trail you get blade of fucking fury earlier

Isn't that a Rank 6 skill while Neuro is Rank 5?

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:22 AM

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look at the average level...

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the levels dont even match the rank

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its that wack

celest kindle Sep 23, 2024, 12:22 AM

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Oh my god

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:22 AM

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hollow trail <@793932950793355315> do you have a take on this

for what specifically

celest kindle Sep 23, 2024, 12:22 AM

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What were they cooking 😭

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:23 AM

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getsu-ei mogging the entire list before brave blade is funny

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:23 AM

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dreamy orchid for what specifically

formula used
the ranking results of the phys skills
whether they should be swapped based on score, or score should be adjusted with the learns kept intact

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i'm leaning on adjusting score, because swapping all learns is way worse

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some personas just learn worse/better stuff. it's the nature of things

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fes does it too

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stats also pad that out

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base power isnt everything

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:25 AM

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well you can always just grab the skill then fuse something with better stats

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if anything you're incentivised to do this since generally good damaging skills and boosters are on different things

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:27 AM

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hollow trail ```( ( ( sqrtPow*2ifAoE ) * 10 ) * avgHits ) + (crit*2)```

not sure aoe counting for double is necessarily fair although it does make sense

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might make some skills seems artificially better/worse than they actually are tho

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also you could technically account for potential crit also giving 1-more meaning you get to attack again

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but that sounds like a lot of work

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:27 AM

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well that's why I'm askin if you agree with the rank, cuz i kinda do

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except maybe heavens blad

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all the mid seems obviously mid

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no outliers

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:28 AM

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heaven's blade being worse than brave blade is a adachi_true

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:28 AM

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heavens mid real

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:28 AM

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in fes it was better but in reload its definitely worse

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:28 AM

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you will always crit!! so less power for more crit is redundant!!

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heavens mid

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:28 AM

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well its also like

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20% crit vs 25%

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:28 AM

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30

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but yea

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:29 AM

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if brave blade were like 10 or even 15 it'd be more competitive ig

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:29 AM

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40 vs 60 with apt

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but at 40% odds the bonus power will win out in long fights i feel

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:29 AM

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with additives accounted for both are close to guaranteed and i think the damage on brave blade and also it being actually inheritable makes it the obvious choice

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:29 AM

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yeah

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I think the scoring formula is fine then

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:30 AM

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if heaven's blade were made inheritable i think it'd be a decent pick tho

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:30 AM

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not good not bad

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:30 AM

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rn its too much effort for like a sidegrade

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:30 AM

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dreamy orchid if heaven's blade were made inheritable i think it'd be a decent pick tho

clearly i give Michael slash driver.

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:30 AM

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uriel has it too

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but he's aeon so you need to manual level

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:30 AM

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uriel can suck a dick

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level 57 vorpal blade havin ass

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:31 AM

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nerf driver to be the same multiplier as boost so you can add it to normal personas without it making them like twice as good

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naotroll

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:31 AM

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not anymore actually shit

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i should've accounted for mq uniques too

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but this is good for baseline rebalance anyway

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Anyway I think lowering the score so it's linear is more realistic than swapping out the learns of every persona

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:32 AM

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hollow trail

on the scoring though, i think its pretty fine besides the aoe thing being somewhat misleading for certain skills. like yeah its technically twice as good to hit two enemies, but also neuro-slash being around equivalent to zan-ei feels a bit wrong

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:33 AM

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i get that

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aoe mult was 2.5 but it inflated shit too hard

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:33 AM

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it makes more sense than not giving aoe a boost tho

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:33 AM

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1.5x maybe?

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:33 AM

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cus like, arrow rain being aoe is huge for example

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i think it might wank bad skills a bit but those are outliers either way

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so i think its fine

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:33 AM

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yeah i gotta calc strike and pierce before i say shit

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:33 AM

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but like maragidyne will have a higher score than getsu-ei here for example lol

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:34 AM

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this formula was calcing phys only but i get u

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:34 AM

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oh actually no getsu would still be better cus crit

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but yea

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:35 AM

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hollow trail

deathbound and blade of fury being roughly equivalent is also funny but remains true in gameplay

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blade of fury actually has better average damage assuming you have sukukaja up

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:35 AM

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i think magic doesn't need its learns adjusted too much, but, its power definitely could use raising, or the weak mults, or even adding magic drivers only

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:35 AM

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nah i disagree

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because like, the gap between las and dynes is massive

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and magic doesn't even have exclusive access to boosts to offset this difference now

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it'd lead to the pre-madyne period feeling really bad for magic users

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and ma-dyne is like endgame level in base game

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at least on party

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for protag its less bad but still way later than heavy aoe phys

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:37 AM

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i keep forgetting the fucking party exists

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:37 AM

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dreamy orchid because like, the gap between las and dynes is massive

i think things like this are why i really dislike the phys boosters because magic just has such big gaps in skills that it needs something to fill the void, but now what was previously used for that no longer applies

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unless you made ma-dynes a lot earlier or like straight up added a new tier of magic lmao

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:38 AM

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barion...

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:38 AM

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or made magic ability something you get before amps but that might be too radical of a change

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:39 AM

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I don't mind scaling everything up

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:39 AM

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and also encourages full passive stacking a bit too much especially since its not a skill card so you'd always be inheriting it

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:39 AM

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full passive stacking is fire 🔥

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if skillcards didn't exist i mean

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:39 AM

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if there were less boosters and more support passives i'd agree

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i wish we had reason to run like regen 3 and shit anymore but like more damage is always better

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:40 AM

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useful passives......

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:40 AM

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oh yeah unrelated but like

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regen 3 was added to junpei as a bootleg spring of life right

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:40 AM

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yea

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:40 AM

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so logically, he should have it innate in episode aigis

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:40 AM

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...yea

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:41 AM

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or just give him chidori spring of life skill ig

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:41 AM

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Level 30 diarahan

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🔥

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:41 AM

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which in base game is just diarahan clone

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could give it a more unique affect and let it only target self

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:43 AM

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hollow trail Level 30 diarahan

junpei being the best phys user, magic user and healer right out the gate 🔥

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:44 AM

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lol

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maybe

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but yeaaa

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im likely just gonna adjust scores to be linear

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I can go from vorpal downward, nerfing anything that overpowers the previous skill
or from power slash, buffing anything that underpowers the previous skill

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i did say i wanted to nerf less with 2.0

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so

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:47 AM

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vacuum slash btfo'd

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 12:47 AM

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hollow trail this formula isnt perfect because you'd never do aoe against a single target

Vorpal Blade in FES:

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:47 AM

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now arrow rain is the new king (it already was)

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fact: fes vorpal blade is always weaker than p3r vorpal blade with boosters

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 12:48 AM

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Well it is 500 base 2x

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Vs a higher base with almost 2x boost

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:48 AM

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nah its higher boost

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multi-target exists

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also shift boosters too if you want to wank further

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and actually good crit rate with stronger crits

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i don't really get removing vacuum slash tho

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its worse than both swift strike and arrow rain but is gotten at the same time

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:50 AM

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dreamy orchid vacuum slash btfo'd

you saw my plans to literally remove the skill, no?

west swift Sep 23, 2024, 12:50 AM

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hollow trail i did say i wanted to nerf less with 2.0

although i dont necessarily mind nerfs as long as things don't feel excessively shit. especially since you're going with a full rebalancing, i think that kinda changes things

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:50 AM

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yea that was what i was joking about

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but like

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its the worst of the three early game aoe skills

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by far

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:51 AM

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west swift although i dont necessarily mind nerfs as long as things don't feel excessively ...

no i get that nerfs are necessary, MQ1 was super toned down for a reason, it's more that buffing everything else instead of nerfing is going to make less people cry and roll their eyes

also answer kinda hooked me on big damage stack strats. it's rewarding (assuming it's not free and instantly wins the fight)

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:51 AM

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do what i did and manually edit shuffle time rewards to push all the op skills to a more reasonable level and remove the weird shit of them considering myriad arrows and herculean strike equivalent

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:52 AM

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oh my god

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tedium

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i should though

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pain_dead

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:52 AM

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it'd take quite a bit but like its kinda necessary

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shuffle time getting you skills much earlier than fusion is hilarious

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arrow rain in arqa 1 lmao

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:52 AM

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if scores align with sword rank it's not as necessary

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arrow rain and holy arrow would be btfo

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billcosbyTRUE

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true

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:53 AM

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holy arrow should be like sword 3 at least

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arrow rain like sword 6 or 7

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:53 AM

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let me calc strike and pierce first before i adjust scores

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phys is phys

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 12:53 AM

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physing out

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pierce will probs have the best scores besides for single target where its dramatically worse

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 12:54 AM

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im also inclined to just

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embrace the modern balance of things

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and pull a sh2

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make bosses summon minions that can only be damaged by magic

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which enable shift boost strats with phys

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not a blanket fix for everything though

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but it would increase variety in party comp

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 12:59 AM

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Good luck editing individual bosses

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 1:00 AM

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you mean like ive already done

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KEKW

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im gonna make full moon mfs summon gatekeepers get fucked!!!!!!

celest kindle Sep 23, 2024, 1:03 AM

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Hermit summons drivers

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 1:24 AM

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hollow trail im gonna make full moon mfs summon gatekeepers get fucked!!!!!!

rampage drive army summoned by hermit

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 1:25 AM

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Is that guy even hermit

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That guy's chariot

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 1:25 AM

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dreamy orchid rampage drive army summoned by hermit

the army has a limit of 4

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but yes

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😈

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 1:26 AM

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iron pilot That guy's chariot

i meant just cus he's the funny elec one

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there was a fight in le answer with 3 rampage drives and i was soyjacking

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they nerfed him hard tho

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he doesn't null or repel phys anymore

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 1:26 AM

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Is that the jonkler door

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Haven't done it yet

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Too busy grinding

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 1:27 AM

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iron pilot Is that the jonkler door

no it was monad

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i can't be bothered doing any of the jonker stuff unless i wanna commit to actually fighting him

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but like, so much incense grinding bro

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 1:28 AM

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Pain

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Well at the very least, you only need to build 2 personas in theory

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 1:32 AM

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dreamy orchid i can't be bothered doing any of the jonker stuff unless i wanna commit to actua...

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i cant believe twitter actually got angry over this

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 1:32 AM

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iron pilot Well at the very least, you only need to build 2 personas in theory

theurgia bot and then salvation/debilitate telos?

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 1:32 AM

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Yeah

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Not debilitate though

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Matarukaja

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 1:32 AM

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sutra:

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 1:32 AM

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sutring

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 1:32 AM

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or do you do the skill for charge

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 1:32 AM

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It doesn't build theurgia

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Yeah

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So you need the skill

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 1:32 AM

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i wouldn't do quick kill cus it relies too much on rng

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im also not building magic cus i don't like using dlc

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 1:33 AM

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You'd use magic either way

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 1:33 AM

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if i don't rng into mastery i'll just use shadow hound without crits lmao

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 1:33 AM

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iron pilot You'd use magic either way

i don't really think you'd need to

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 1:34 AM

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Just get the Futsunushi

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Nah fr magic is stronger since phys can't crit

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 1:34 AM

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yea but the affinities are annoying

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ig if i used my charge on shadow hound tho i'd need to use magic

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without mastery tho 😔

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 1:35 AM

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hollow trail i cant believe twitter actually got angry over this

They did?

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Skill issue?

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It's funnier if you meant the OG ver

native garden Sep 23, 2024, 1:37 AM

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hollow trail i cant believe twitter actually got angry over this

Erm achsually, it’s X

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 2:09 AM

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@dreamy orchid

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absolut comedy

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 2:09 AM

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myriad arrows beating god hand is awesome

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akihiko btfo'd by GOAT Amada

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 2:10 AM

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buff amp

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 2:10 AM

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Amada Amp

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1.5x damage to all Amada skills

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 2:10 AM

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pandemonic feast

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 2:10 AM

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TRUE

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Ken should have paraselene blur

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 2:10 AM

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well

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these results are funny

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primal fraud

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 2:11 AM

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Melchizedek's the goat

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 2:11 AM

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the trend is generally that multi-hits are way better than single-hits

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 2:11 AM

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now the fuck do i do with this info

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 2:11 AM

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akasha arts being #1 was expected

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 2:11 AM

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kek

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yeah i was betting on akashit

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should i add magic and not account for crit

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to show how shit magic is

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Troll

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the sword ranks are so fucking random

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 2:13 AM

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hollow trail the sword ranks are so fucking random

they're not random its just the logic is dumb

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 2:13 AM

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See the idea is

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You put growth 3 on Mada

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Get Null Wind and Strike Amp

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Fuse to Thor

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 2:14 AM

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they consider slash/strike/pierce aoe equivalents no matter the damage difference just because they are aoe

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 2:14 AM

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Then fuse to Melchizedek

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 2:14 AM

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and they also consider aoe magic to be on the same level

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vacuum slash, swift strike, arrow rain and maragi are all sword 4

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 2:14 AM

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cock

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 2:14 AM

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despite arrow rain shit stomping the swift strike and vacuum slash shit stomping magic

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 2:15 AM

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iron pilot Get Null Wind and Strike Amp

ngl just get strike amp from skill card

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actively going for strike is too much effort when pierce has the theurgia synergy and is much easier to build due to bishamonten

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but akasha arts is good

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i got it from cards before ??? tho lol

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along with strike amp

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 2:16 AM

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dreamy orchid ngl just get strike amp from skill card

That's from Q cards

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Mada's when you get 9s at the time

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Pro tip, growths stack

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So uh, put 2 and 3

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Besides I was doing no theurgia

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 2:21 AM

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wait so like

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growth 2 + 3 is 150% xp on the persona

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???

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 2:21 AM

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Yeah.

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 2:21 AM

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cracked

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 2:21 AM

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it stacks? what

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ppl said no

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 2:21 AM

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From what I can tell, I put 2 and 3 on an Oberon

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And that guy got to 99 first compared to just people with growth 3

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 2:22 AM

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modcheck

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hax

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 2:22 AM

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I could just check again I guess

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 2:22 AM

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put growth 3 and 2 on a party member so they gain xp faster

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biblically accurate koromaru

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 2:37 AM

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lol

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rating puts morning star as #1

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i need to add a mult for boosters

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that is really funny

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gotta add multipliers for boosts

celest kindle Sep 23, 2024, 2:39 AM

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List looks kinda fucked up mobile

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 2:39 AM

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its fucked up everywhere

celest kindle Sep 23, 2024, 2:39 AM

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Ye but unreadable fucked up

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 2:39 AM

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ah

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L

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Skillname Potential Score
Agi 63
Bufu 63
Zio 63
Garu 63
Single Shot 73
Kouha 77
Eiha 77
Power Slash 81
Bash 87
Maragi 90
Mabufu 90
Mazio 90
Magaru 90
Holy Arrow 91
Agilao 100
Bufula 100
Zionga 100
Garula 100
Sonic Punch 104
Makouha 110
Maeiha 110
Fatal End 115
Kouga 118
Eiga 118
Assault Dive 136
Vacuum Slash 140
Maragion 141
Mabufula 141
Mazionga 141
Magarula 141
Agidyne 148
Bufudyne 148
Ziodyne 148
Garudyne 148
Makouga 167
Maeiga 167
Swift Strike 174
Poison Arrow 183
Torrent Shot 184
Megido 184
Kougaon 187
Eigaon 187
Tempest Slash 193
Arrow Rain 194
Zan-ei 195
Neuro Slash 196
Virus Breath 200
Maragidyne 210
Mabufudyne 210
Maziodyne 210
Magarudyne 210
Maralagidyne 210
Cruel Attack 218
Gigantic Fist 225
Herculean Strike 234
Inferno 245
Diamond Dust 245
Thunder Reign 245
Panta Rhei 245
Primal Force 261
Getsu-ei 265
Makougaon 265
Maeigaon 265
Megidola 276
Heaven's Blade 284
Pralaya 285
Blade of Fury 295
Brave Blade 295
Deathbound 299
Heat Wave 303
Vile Assault 306
God's Hand 309
Black Viper 316
Myriad Arrows 323
Vorpal Blade 367
Megidolaon 371
Akasha Arts 391
Morning Star 412

celest kindle Sep 23, 2024, 2:40 AM

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Oh the ``` stuff works fine it's just the position of the numbers not matching the headers and such

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 2:40 AM

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dark

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 3:06 AM

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this do be formatted like ass

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kek

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let me do boost+mastery only

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Skillname Score (Boost & Masteries)
Megido 184
Virus Breath 200
Megidola 276
Single Shot 311
Black Viper 316
Power Slash 345
Agi 347
Bufu 347
Zio 347
Garu 347
Bash 370
Megidolaon 371
Holy Arrow 387
Morning Star 412
Kouha 424
Eiha 424
Sonic Punch 442
Fatal End 489
Maragi 495
Mabufu 495
Mazio 495
Magaru 495
Agilao 550
Bufula 550
Zionga 550
Garula 550
Assault Dive 578
Vacuum Slash 595
Makouha 605
Maeiha 605
Kouga 649
Eiga 649
Swift Strike 740
Maragion 776
Mabufula 776
Mazionga 776
Magarula 776
Poison Arrow 778
Torrent Shot 782
Agidyne 814
Bufudyne 814
Ziodyne 814
Garudyne 814
Tempest Slash 821
Arrow Rain 825
Zan-ei 829
Neuro Slash 833
Makouga 919
Maeiga 919
Cruel Attack 927
Gigantic Fist 957
Herculean Strike 995
Kougaon 1029
Eigaon 1029
Primal Force 1110
Getsu-ei 1127
Maragidyne 1155
Mabufudyne 1155
Maziodyne 1155
Magarudyne 1155
Maralagidyne 1155
Heaven's Blade 1207
Pralaya 1212
Blade of Fury 1254
Brave Blade 1254
Deathbound 1271
Heat Wave 1288
Vile Assault 1301
God's Hand 1314
Inferno 1348
Diamond Dust 1348
Thunder Reign 1348
Panta Rhei 1348
Myriad Arrows 1373
Makougaon 1458
Maeigaon 1458
Vorpal Blade 1560
Akasha Arts 1662

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Phys has 1.5+ added to mult because of critical damage bonus, might be a bit overweighted tbh tbh

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 3:10 AM

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Akasha Arts still my goat

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 3:10 AM

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billcosbyTRUE

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 3:13 AM

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(Anubis has it)

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 3:13 AM

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peak

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 3:27 AM

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hollow trail Skillname Score (Boost & Masteries) Megido 184 Virus Breath 200 Megidol...

i forgot almighty boost exists

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kek

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i'll fix this tomorrow

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 3:40 AM

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yeah seems about right

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 3:42 AM

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dreamy orchid yeah seems about right

getsuing out

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 3:53 AM

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Primal Mid

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 3:54 PM

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Skillname Scorev2
Agi 79
Bufu 79
Zio 79
Garu 79
Kouha 96
Eiha 96
Single Shot 110
Maragi 113
Mabufu 113
Mazio 113
Magaru 113
Power Slash 122
Agilao 125
Bufula 125
Zionga 125
Garula 125
Bash 131
Holy Arrow 137
Makouha 138
Maeiha 138
Kouga 148
Eiga 148
Sonic Punch 156
Fatal End 173
Maragion 176
Mabufula 176
Mazionga 176
Magarula 176
Megido 184
Agidyne 185
Bufudyne 185
Ziodyne 185
Garudyne 185
Virus Breath 200
Assault Dive 204
Makouga 209
Maeiga 209
Vacuum Slash 210
Kougaon 234
Eigaon 234
Swift Strike 261
Maragidyne 263
Mabufudyne 263
Maziodyne 263
Magarudyne 263
Maralagidyne 263
Poison Arrow 275
Torrent Shot 276
Megidola 276
Tempest Slash 290
Arrow Rain 291
Zan-ei 293
Neuro Slash 294
Inferno 306
Diamond Dust 306
Thunder Reign 306
Panta Rhei 306
Black Viper 316
Cruel Attack 327
Makougaon 331
Maeigaon 331
Gigantic Fist 338
Herculean Strike 351
Megidolaon 371
Primal Force 392
Getsu-ei 398
Morning Star 412
Heaven's Blade 426
Pralaya 428
Blade of Fury 443
Brave Blade 443
Deathbound 449
Heat Wave 455
Vile Assault 459
God's Hand 464
Myriad Arrows 485
Vorpal Blade 551
Akasha Arts 587

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 5:11 PM

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this is so sad

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very funny

celest kindle Sep 23, 2024, 6:07 PM

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I assume the balance guy who was figuring out the numbers had a seizure near the end

west swift Sep 23, 2024, 8:13 PM

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what balance guy?

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naotroll

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 8:14 PM

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this is why we need hashino

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 8:54 PM

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hackshino come back, we need more of this

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 8:57 PM

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still better than reload

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:06 PM

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reload has medium (heavy) and severe (heavy) while p4 has heavy (light) and heavy (medium)

celest kindle Sep 23, 2024, 9:18 PM

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west swift what balance guy?

See you don't hear of him because he's been hospitalized for 3 years after the seizure he had during the development of P3R

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:19 PM

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i still dont understand all these tbh

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:40 PM

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hollow trail

which ones specifically

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:40 PM

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the ones marked ???? cdiakechi

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:40 PM

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srry my eyesight is bad lol

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i didn't see them lol

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:40 PM

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i wanted to nerf ali dance tbh

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billcosbyTRUE

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:41 PM

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what is the stat for knockdown rate when attacking downed character

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if its like 1.2 then that's the bonus damage dealt to downed enemies

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:41 PM

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50

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:41 PM

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oh then i've no idea

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:42 PM

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down bonus is 1.25

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its already here

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:42 PM

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+dmg to downed bonus is for like cruel attack

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:42 PM

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and assault is 1.5

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yes

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i renamed it myself

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:42 PM

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badhitratiobonus is ailment boost

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:42 PM

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its not

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:42 PM

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oh wait

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its stagnant air

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:42 PM

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ailment boost is further down

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:42 PM

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and foul breath

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:42 PM

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ahh

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:43 PM

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dodge and evade mult are just for those skills

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dodge might effect angelic grace/premonition too

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:43 PM

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yea ali dance is just not here

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:43 PM

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rip

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:44 PM

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what if crit boost was damage only

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😈

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no rate

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alternatively rate only, but that feels stupid

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because the passive exists

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ik he cant get it

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still

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:44 PM

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honestly could work, would make the damage boost being insane less bullshit too

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rate only is dumb yeah

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if it were rate only then haxman would sweep for damage

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:44 PM

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i nerfed Amp to 10 to match junpei's

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 9:44 PM

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If rate only, give 30%

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:45 PM

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yeah nerfing additives is good idea

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:45 PM

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i may be doing trolling, however

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:45 PM

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iron pilot If rate only, give 30%

47% crit rate deathbound before buffs/apt pupil

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:45 PM

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I swapped the values of Weakness Boost/Amp with Critical Boost/Amp

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cdiakechi

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:45 PM

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doesn't that just wank the protag harder

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:46 PM

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the protag isn't using the characteristic

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he's critting.

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:46 PM

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why not just change like, actual crit/weak damage

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:46 PM

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i did

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crit is 1.25x now

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:46 PM

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and weakness 1.5?

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or are both 1.25 now

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:46 PM

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you cant change that in calc but i'll try adjusting in diff settings

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i do want to wank magic

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to compensate

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:47 PM

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if you make the modifier for it in difficulty settings 1.2 it'll make it 1.5

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:47 PM

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are mults added or stacked before calc

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:47 PM

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wdym specifically

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all boosts are applied before damage calculation

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:47 PM

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like

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:47 PM

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includes crit/weak

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 9:48 PM

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I just know buffs and debuffs are last on the damage calc

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:48 PM

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weakness is 1.25x, if diff is 2.0x will it do "(Damage x 1.25) x 2" or will it do "Damage x (1.25 + 2)"

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:49 PM

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it'd do 1.25 x 2

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it changes the weakness multiplier

iron pilot Sep 23, 2024, 9:49 PM

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Former I think, just look at the formulas guide on steam I guess

dreamy orchid Sep 23, 2024, 9:49 PM

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this is why merciless crits are 2.01x

hollow trail Sep 23, 2024, 9:49 PM

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naohmm

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does that make merciless significantly easier

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