Persona 3 Reload | Master Quest | Persona Modding | Page 29

dreamy orchid Sep 14, 2024, 8:10 PM

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unless you wanna grind the card for erebus to use some magic skills 🔥

hollow trail Sep 14, 2024, 8:11 PM

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no need tbh

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erebus is stall strats

dreamy orchid Sep 14, 2024, 8:11 PM

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but magic skills 🔥

hollow trail Sep 14, 2024, 8:11 PM

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yes

dreamy orchid Sep 14, 2024, 8:11 PM

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ik erebus changes affinity and shit to null stuff

hollow trail Sep 14, 2024, 8:11 PM

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you stall with bitch baby magic chip damage to charge theurgy

then then the ball shows up you spam them all and it takes increased damage

dreamy orchid Sep 14, 2024, 8:11 PM

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but theurgia has the funny pierce to make it mostly irrelevant since you're spending several turns setting up anyways

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why not like spam debilitate and mahatarukaja

hollow trail Sep 14, 2024, 8:12 PM

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It does it on hp threshold

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debuff occasionally

dreamy orchid Sep 14, 2024, 8:12 PM

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yea but duration stack is nice

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aigis charges the same no matter what skill is used too right

hollow trail Sep 14, 2024, 8:12 PM

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yes but you want to take it slower on purpose to charge

dreamy orchid Sep 14, 2024, 8:12 PM

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unless you crit which gives more

hollow trail Sep 14, 2024, 8:13 PM

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doesn't really matter what you do i guess as long as you're fully charged when dark embrace starts

native garden Sep 15, 2024, 12:20 AM

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Is it too early to comment if anyone’s moveset in Episode Aigis will be different in Master Quest? Other than making Akihiko learn auto tarukaja and single target boost

deft halo Sep 16, 2024, 12:14 AM

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Does anyone know if weapon's "critical rate up" passive applies only to weapon attack or to all skills? Also what are the values for it

hollow trail Sep 16, 2024, 12:15 AM

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weapon only

iron pilot Sep 16, 2024, 12:16 AM

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Weapon only and 5%/10%/15%

deft halo Sep 16, 2024, 12:16 AM

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Sadge

celest kindle Sep 16, 2024, 12:16 AM

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Oh

deft halo Sep 16, 2024, 12:16 AM

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Although, if it also stacks with all passives and stuff, then basic attacks have highest crit

celest kindle Sep 16, 2024, 12:17 AM

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so i have basically no reason to use that one kitchen knife weapon from Tartarus

dreamy orchid Sep 16, 2024, 12:17 AM

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in the mod? sure but it'd be negligible at best

celest kindle Sep 16, 2024, 12:17 AM

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thank god it's ugly as fuck

deft halo Sep 16, 2024, 12:17 AM

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True for uglyness lmao

dreamy orchid Sep 16, 2024, 12:18 AM

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kitchen knife was op in p4 but now its mid

deft halo Sep 16, 2024, 12:19 AM

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Well, basic attack's crit chance seems to be 3%. So with kitchen knife it's 18%

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Even if you were using a skill with 10% base crit and apt pupil, basic attack would still have higher crit

dreamy orchid Sep 16, 2024, 12:20 AM

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its not additive iirc, the crit rate would just be 15%

deft halo Sep 16, 2024, 12:20 AM

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Of course using basic attacks is cringe

deft halo Sep 16, 2024, 12:20 AM

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dreamy orchid its not additive iirc, the crit rate would just be 15%

Oh? Is it than doubled by apt pupil and stuff? Or does it just set it to 15% flat?

dreamy orchid Sep 16, 2024, 12:20 AM

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technically the highest crit would just be using an aoe because you have a chance to crit multiple things (!!!)

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i'd assume its doubled by apt pupil since all phys is

deft halo Sep 16, 2024, 12:21 AM

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dreamy orchid technically the highest crit would just be using an aoe because you have a chanc...

Well, yeah

iron pilot Sep 16, 2024, 12:23 AM

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Technically if you're using the 5% and 10% ones, you have better chances getting higher crit by using crit rate amp

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For 15%, you get either or

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Or both

deft halo Sep 16, 2024, 12:23 AM

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Shouldn't it stack with crit rate boost and amp?

dreamy orchid Sep 16, 2024, 12:24 AM

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apt pupil is earlier than crit rate boost and amp though tbf

iron pilot Sep 16, 2024, 12:24 AM

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Yeah it could except boost and amp don't stack

dreamy orchid Sep 16, 2024, 12:24 AM

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level fucking 13 dark

deft halo Sep 16, 2024, 12:24 AM

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iron pilot Yeah it could except boost and amp don't stack

Don't they?.. iirc they do

iron pilot Sep 16, 2024, 12:26 AM

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Crit rate boost and amp don't stack

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Latter overwrites former

dreamy orchid Sep 16, 2024, 12:26 AM

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crit rate boost and amp for some reason don't stack

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ig cus additives? but also rebellion and revolution stack and those are additive

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so idk why they don't but like ig its a good thing

iron pilot Sep 16, 2024, 12:29 AM

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The mechanism is apparently the game looks if amp is active

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That's the first thing it looks for

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Not boost

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If it's there, yay, moving on

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If not and boost there, use that

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Yeah so it basically can't see boost's there since it already saw amp

native garden Sep 16, 2024, 12:31 AM

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iron pilot Latter overwrites former

~~And the only way to know that is…by looking through the vanilla game’s code or through useful descriptions. Vanilla text doesn’t mention this~~

crude hedge Sep 16, 2024, 7:18 PM

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If you could tweak the makarakarn ai a little bit

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I basically made akihiko and mitsuru spam megidolaon every turn because I put a reflect on aigis

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Akihiko made it kinda harder but mitsuru was easier for it

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Since she wasnt concentrating or doing anything else

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Oh im responding to old stuff

hollow trail Sep 16, 2024, 7:58 PM

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crude hedge If you could tweak the makarakarn ai a little bit

mq doesnt support episode aigis yet

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but i'll get around to it

balmy thistle Sep 16, 2024, 8:48 PM

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does master quest still work with Episode The Journey?

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obviously does not work with Episode Aigis but yeah

hollow trail Sep 16, 2024, 8:49 PM

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it should but im not entirely sure if it's 100% stable

celest kindle Sep 16, 2024, 8:49 PM

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Episode The Journey

hollow trail Sep 16, 2024, 8:49 PM

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it's called Episode Yourself

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billcosbyTRUE

celest kindle Sep 16, 2024, 8:51 PM

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So weird that that's the name but i guess they really wanted the Episode part lol

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Personally still prefer just The Journey and The Answer but it's just a name it ain't that big of a deal

west swift Sep 16, 2024, 8:52 PM

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was it actually called episode yourself originally

celest kindle Sep 16, 2024, 8:52 PM

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Nah

hollow trail Sep 16, 2024, 8:53 PM

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yes

celest kindle Sep 16, 2024, 8:53 PM

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What

hollow trail Sep 16, 2024, 8:53 PM

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Yes, the journey is called episode yourself in japanese fes

west swift Sep 16, 2024, 9:12 PM

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that's awesome

west swift Sep 16, 2024, 9:12 PM

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celest kindle So weird that that's the name but i guess they really wanted the Episode part lo...

I mean episode aegis is the original Japanese name, not the answer

potent fog Sep 16, 2024, 9:44 PM

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do crit boost and amp stack? im pretty sure that's how it worked but im now seeing stuff for p3r that says they dont

hollow trail Sep 16, 2024, 9:44 PM

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no

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it's the only boost that does not stack

potent fog Sep 16, 2024, 9:44 PM

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and of course they don't bother noting that lol

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they literally have does not stack disclaimers on other skills

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unrelated but do any of you guys use soul shift or the other shift sp recovery passives? even in vanilla i never really used them, it's just barely any recovery even early game for an entire skill slot that could be literally anything else

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at least the damage boosters are a tiny bit less niche, but even then i rarely keep them

hollow trail Sep 16, 2024, 9:55 PM

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never worth it unless there's nothing better to equip

dreamy orchid Sep 16, 2024, 9:58 PM

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the damage boosters are good

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the sp recovery ones are like, 5-8sp per shift

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which is not really noteworthy at all especially when you're not using magic much to begin with

hollow trail Sep 16, 2024, 9:58 PM

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damage boosters are meta but they were talking about the sp ones specifically

dreamy orchid Sep 16, 2024, 9:59 PM

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like if you're running out of sp genuinely that's on you

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just have invigorate 1 on your auto persona and you're fine lol

west swift Sep 16, 2024, 10:05 PM

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or just have a fully sustainable set of builds in the first place anubis_true

native garden Sep 17, 2024, 2:20 PM

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west swift or just have a fully sustainable set of builds in the first place <:anubis_true:...

Nah. We just ball

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 5:11 PM

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Do instakill moves always fail on minibosses?

celest kindle Sep 17, 2024, 5:12 PM

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I assume by minibosses you mean the Tartarus Guardians

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To which the answer is no

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 5:12 PM

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Yeah

celest kindle Sep 17, 2024, 5:12 PM

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You can instakill them

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A lot of bosses null light and dark though

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But you can get some of em early game

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 5:13 PM

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I mean, I'm here spamming mahamaon with hama boost against guardian with neutral light resistance, and nothing

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It evaded like 10 casts so far lol

celest kindle Sep 17, 2024, 5:13 PM

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I mean

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If it has light resistance

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There's your problem lmao

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 5:14 PM

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It doesn't, it's neutral, i.e. no resistance or weakness

celest kindle Sep 17, 2024, 5:14 PM

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Usually it's better to use IKs when the enemy is actually weak to Light or Dark

hollow trail Sep 17, 2024, 5:14 PM

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i would only use IK when it's explicitly weak

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yea

celest kindle Sep 17, 2024, 5:14 PM

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Because that makes your chance of IKing higher

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Yeah

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 5:14 PM

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I mean yeah obviously

celest kindle Sep 17, 2024, 5:14 PM

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Otherwise it's hard to predict

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Even boosted

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IKs aren't particularly meant to be 100% reliable

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 5:15 PM

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But the question is whether they're straight up actually immune

hollow trail Sep 17, 2024, 5:15 PM

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with ailments if it says miss keep trying

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with IKs idk

celest kindle Sep 17, 2024, 5:16 PM

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Does the skill that makes enemies vulnerable to ailments affect IKs

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 5:16 PM

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I suspect they have to be immune, or else it's incredibly unlikely to the point where it's a waste of time and sp to try. Because missing 10 mahamaons with hama boost against regular affinity is kinda unlikely

hollow trail Sep 17, 2024, 5:17 PM

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possibly

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could be luck diff

celest kindle Sep 17, 2024, 5:17 PM

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I could easily see it be the latter but that would be odd design

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Enemies being immune but the game not telling you

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 5:17 PM

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I mean

celest kindle Sep 17, 2024, 5:17 PM

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At that point why not just make everybody null lol

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 5:17 PM

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The game not telling you how things work is the default

celest kindle Sep 17, 2024, 5:18 PM

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Yeah it's an issue in both

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But i suspect it's not that big of an issue because going for IKs is hardly a reliable boss killing strategy lmao

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 5:21 PM

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Well why not lol. Several casts of hamaon with hama boost is almost always enough to IK an enemy with neutral affinity. You even have good chance of getting it first try

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Sure balance wise it would be stupid but it's not explicitly said you can't do that

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It just "misses"

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Because if you could IK bosses then it would be the best strategy lol

celest kindle Sep 17, 2024, 5:23 PM

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Depends because you'd have to have the luck to roll with that and you'd need to get access to the IK boosters

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 5:24 PM

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Getting one passive isn't that hard

celest kindle Sep 17, 2024, 5:24 PM

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Yeah but the time it shows up plays into it

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Being unable to get Deathbound or Blade of Fury at the start is not just luck lol

dreamy orchid Sep 17, 2024, 5:36 PM

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deft halo Do instakill moves always fail on minibosses?

only things with weakness can be instakilled generally

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they don't convey instakill vulnerability at all but if you see something weak to light/dark, always just try to hama or mudo instead of wasting time with kouha/eiha shit

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 5:50 PM

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Yeah, I think I actually IKed one early guardian boss, and they were weak to dark, so there's that

dreamy orchid Sep 17, 2024, 5:53 PM

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pretty sure almost all enemies weak to light/dark can be instakilled

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there's one in harabah that can be instakilled before it gets a turn lol

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 7:34 PM

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Uhh. Does sylphid aura effect not end if you lose the fight and then restart it? Or is there some other funny bug where it doesn't end after a fight?

hollow trail Sep 17, 2024, 7:38 PM

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why would it end

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restarting a fight loads the quicksave the game makes when you start

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 7:39 PM

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I mean after the fight

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I.e. it was still active after I finished a guardian and moved a floor

hollow trail Sep 17, 2024, 7:40 PM

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reload bugs

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naotoshrug

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not mq related 100%

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 7:40 PM

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Not saying it is, just wondering

celest kindle Sep 17, 2024, 7:52 PM

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deft halo I.e. it was still active after I finished a guardian and moved a floor

You sure you just didn't have an auto persona or something

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 7:56 PM

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No, because I clicked fuuka to activate it again (it was a series of guardian fights) and she said it's already active, and it was

celest kindle Sep 17, 2024, 8:03 PM

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Ah

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Hm

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I guess it's kept active on those since it's multiple fights back to back

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 8:51 PM

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Maybe? Idk

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Does foul breath makes instant kill more likely in p3r?..
As well as accuracy/evasion buffs

dreamy orchid Sep 17, 2024, 8:59 PM

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accuracy/evasion buffs no, foul breath maybe

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 9:00 PM

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Just checking what skills terminal table has

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And it has foul breath and masukunda, but it's only attack moves are hamaon and mahama

dreamy orchid Sep 17, 2024, 9:01 PM

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instakills and ailment skills all have 100% accuracy

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so they bypass checks like sukukaja, sukunda or ali dance

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i think this is honestly just a p3r boss design moment

celest kindle Sep 17, 2024, 9:11 PM

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Instakills are luck rolls also

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 10:38 PM

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So I believe that BLOCKNeutral elemental affinity means that it takes normal damage but ailments can't be inflicted.
This is for example just a strong enemy (not even a guardian) that I also failed to instakill within 5 turns, despite the "neutral" light affinity.

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(the resist isn't really a number but a small struct with bitfields, the p5r version looks like that. the "ailment immune" here also makes immune to instant kills for bless/curse)

hollow trail Sep 17, 2024, 10:48 PM

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yes thats how blockneutral works

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instakill is an ailment so blockneutral will block IKs

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blockneutral is also how enemies null freeze and shock

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 10:51 PM

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Yeah. Of course in the case of instant kills the game doesn't communicate the immunity in any way

hollow trail Sep 17, 2024, 10:58 PM

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that's why i never try ik unless there's a weakness

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and if it misses i stop trying

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ailments miss = keep trying

deft halo Sep 17, 2024, 11:00 PM

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Sure, but it's still annoying. Ideally should be fixed in the code

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I don't do p3r modding though, so oh well

celest kindle Sep 17, 2024, 11:41 PM

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Regular enemies have that Instakill protector?

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Jeez

deft halo Sep 18, 2024, 11:11 PM

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What level the reaper is doable at? With level scaling removed and all

hollow trail Sep 18, 2024, 11:15 PM

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probably 70s with good strat, doors should know

native garden Sep 19, 2024, 2:01 AM

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deft halo What level the reaper is doable at? With level scaling removed and all

Mid 70s or whatever level after beating the Adamah guardians

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 2:51 AM

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Garu    1
Dia    1
Patra    5
Pulinpa    7
Tarunda    9
Media    11
Magaru    13
Poisma    15
Gale Wall    17
Holy Arrow    19
Diarama    21
Garula    23
Recarm    25
Poison Mist    27
Poison Boost    29
Me Patra    31
Wind Break    33
Multi-Target Boost    35
Magarula    37
Mediarama    40
Matarunda    42
Amrita Drop    45
Samarecarm    47
Garudyne    50
Poison Arrow    52
Diarahan    53
Resist Ailments    56
Amrita Shower    58
Magarudyne    62
Wind Amp    64
Mediarahan    68
Salvation    72```

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@dreamy orchid

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32 skills is the hard limit for anyone btw

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idk about multi target boost

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it seems kinda random in here

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 2:58 AM

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Maybe

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Although it encourages using AoEs more than singles

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Bad for SP although that shouldn't matter

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Her heals are cheap

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 2:58 AM

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yeah but a bunch of her kit is single target

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poison arrow wouldnt benefit from this

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though that might be good

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billcosbyTRUE

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since she's not phys oriented

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 3:03 AM

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Akihiko Gigantic Fist level 52

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Backport it to the journey it'll be peak

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 3:08 AM

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dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:22 AM

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hollow trail ```Yukari Proposed MQ Lvl Garu 1 Dia 1 Patra 5 Pulinpa 7 Tarunda ...

poison boost seems a little too early, not in that it'd be op but that it just looks a bit weird having her get the spell then the booster the next level after, but aside from that it seems pretty fine

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 3:22 AM

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i know

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thing is

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moving shit around any more makes other skills feel mistimed a bit

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:23 AM

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true

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also feel like wind wall is way too early lol

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 3:23 AM

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about that

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i think bosses will be a little bit more vicious with weakness seek

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so wall would be good

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its also one more skill in the rotation of support that you have to keep looping

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so some people might choose to just not use it

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(single target)

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you know jet gonna spam it though

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spamming tarukaja on yukari and sukukaja on aki 🔥

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:26 AM

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nah nah

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aki spam sukukaja on ken for arrow rain extra damage

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high iq door 1 strats for episode aigis tbh

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 3:27 AM

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billcosbyTRUE

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:28 AM

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poison kind of an interesting choice for yukari but it does have a precadent from the base game

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 3:28 AM

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i might un-nerf poison a bit

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leave the cap but not make it utterly worthless

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:28 AM

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its funny though that in base game she gets poison mist at around the same level koro gets virus breath despite the latter being a direct upgrade to the former

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 3:29 AM

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xdd

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not too sure how to handle poison

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20% max hp with 9999 cap is simply ridiculous

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any poisonable enemy is a free stall win

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:30 AM

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are you gonna have yukari learn healing earlier than ken again

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 3:30 AM

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they're currently matched, but im not sure what will happen yet

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:30 AM

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ken being later fits more given he is jack of all trades

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while yukari is very healing focused

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especially since she's the one with ailment cure

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 3:31 AM

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ken having too much variety makes it too much of a nobrainer

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:31 AM

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dreamy orchid ken being later fits more given he is jack of all trades

also fits considering nemesis' lore

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him starting with mediarama is really silly tbh

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 3:31 AM

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i mean he doesnt

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he just gets it early

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:31 AM

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in p3r he starts with it

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in p3p he gets it after one level

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in fes he doesn't get it til kala-nemi

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at level 51 lmao

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 3:32 AM

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actually kala-nemi does have its own table

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but i dont want to change it

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because i think it will break the fuck out

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might cause skills to get skipped

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:32 AM

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i think keeping them synced makes sense but i do think you could make ken mediarama at a level that's realistically impossible before 10/4

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obviously he should still have like diarama at least though

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 3:33 AM

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idk man

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might further aggravate him going from useless to top tier after shinji dies

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:34 AM

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i think getting reason to use characters after their persona awakenings is nice tbh

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plus just like

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i think him becoming more healing focused after 10/4 just works well thematically

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narrative-relevant change tbh tbh

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same with akihiko becoming cracked after caeser

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 3:34 AM

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dreamy orchid i think getting reason to use characters after their persona awakenings is nice ...

yes but then you get "speedrunners" trying to be "optimal" and instabenching people if they're not immediately useful

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 3:34 AM

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Ken hard carried the Ken/Akihiko fight

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He almost killed Aigis

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Only 6 HP left

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Lmaoooo

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:35 AM

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hollow trail yes but then you get "speedrunners" trying to be "optimal" and instabenching peo...

i don't think anyone would seriously bench someone in mq unless the character is just like actively bad

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which is something that can be reworked

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ken having later healing gives more reason to take yukari over him

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which she really needs

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 3:36 AM

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well yes

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just feels like flipping the problem though

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then ken loses a reason to be used with nemesis

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:37 AM

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i mean

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he literally starts with kougaon

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at 37

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just make nemesis more offense focused tbh

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he also has karns too

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 3:39 AM

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dreamy orchid i don't think anyone would seriously bench someone in mq unless the character is...

yeah ive taken a break to play episode aigis but when i was doing my MQ playthrough everyone felt pretty useable at any given moment, and i just rotated out based on boss weaknesses and/or sp pool

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 3:39 AM

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I just rotate based on who's LL

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:39 AM

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i didn't really use yukari at all in mq because she wasn't actually changed from base game

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like, i leveled her up but she didn't really get used in many bosses

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no items helps her be more valuable at least

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i did bring her for justice/chariot and strength/fortune

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but that's about it

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i think ken is a much stronger character as far as the base kits go

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 3:41 AM

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yeah i have probably gotten more out of her as a dungeon party member and ken with boss fights

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:41 AM

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once i got ken's characteristic i basically stopped bringing yukari entirely

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 3:41 AM

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i dont necessarily think that's a bad thing tho, they're both still valid for the other role

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:42 AM

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i think her big struggle is level gap shit rn though

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if her level gaps were better she'd be much more competitive

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 3:42 AM

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yeah that's fair, doesn't help that he also just kinda has better element typing too, dark isn't exactly rare but it's a lot better of a weakspot to have compared to one of the main four

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:43 AM

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i wouldn't say that's necessarily true but i also basically never pick my party based on affinity unless i'm actively struggling with a fight

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 3:45 AM

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the thing about that is i have an uncanny knack for choosing the worst possible lineup whenever i do a fight for the first time and just eat shit immediately lmao, like unless they've got a super memorable element gimmick like hermit i somehow always manage to bring the party that will be getting downed constantly and have to reload and restructure

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 3:45 AM

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Yukari: Reworked ✅
Junpei: Fine kit, add Baisudis ✅
Akihiko: Current MQ kit is fine, might need nerf, swap the kajas ✅
Mitsuru: Needs buff ❎
Aigis: idk
Koromaru: Needs buff ❎
Ken: Needs something that stands out that doesn't outshine Yukari ❎
Shinjiro: Temporary, supposed to be op, no changes ✅
Metis: Needs nerf ❎

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and adjust levels of shit so they're not late as fuck ig

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:47 AM

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yeah a lot of stuff is way too late in episode aigis

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its weird they changed party member levels since aigis gets shit at the same level as male protag

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 3:48 AM

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aigis gets shit 2 levels earlier on average actually

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 3:48 AM

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Although the grind for some is mitigated with growths

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Wish that was in fes

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That was a no brainer

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 3:49 AM

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yeah the growths is good

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 3:53 AM

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that's one thing i liked

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i honestly expected them to just give growth skill card instead

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but making it innate on personas is nice

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was good for fusion too

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you could argue it makes it a bit too easy to level stuff up but honestly sometimes less tedium is a good thing

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they make up for the base game not being grindy by having the grindiest post-game in the series

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:03 AM

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@dreamy orchid tbf is there a logical reason for episode aigis having different levels for shit

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since the xp is all the same

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:04 AM

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yeah its just you'd expect it to apply to aigis as well

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:04 AM

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(i want to avoid making 24 skillsets)

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:04 AM

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dreamy orchid yeah its just you'd expect it to apply to aigis as well

wdym

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:05 AM

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all of her personas are the same level

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despite the new xp curve

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so she gets shit way earlier than the party

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:05 AM

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the curve isn't the same?

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modcheck

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:06 AM

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not even close lol

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:06 AM

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i finished both at nearly same lvl tho

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:06 AM

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no i meant

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aigis' personas and their skills are at the same level as journey protag's

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often times earlier even

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despite aigis getting more xp

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:06 AM

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she gets them 2 levels earlier on average

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more xp?

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modcheck

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i didnt notice that at all tbh

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:07 AM

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well i assumed that's why they did it for party

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the dlc is comparatively a lot shorter so you feel like you're leveling up faster

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:07 AM

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so anyway what you're saying is i will in fact have to make 24 skillsets

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:07 AM

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but the new levels make progress feel at a similar rate

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except for aigis who gets op shit really early

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not really

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you could basically port the journey ones with minor changes after testing

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:08 AM

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ig i can try

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:08 AM

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episode aigis is a lot easier to fine tune due to being shorter

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:08 AM

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speedrun

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i'll do it faster than 15 hours

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:08 AM

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truuuuuuuu

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:08 AM

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dontcarelol

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:08 AM

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there were some intentional time losses for the funny

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so the run could be optimised

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go for a wr

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:09 AM

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i dont think she'd give a shit

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kek

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:10 AM

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it was a fun experience at the very least

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i unfortunately had big time losses from having to eat and sleep

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:11 AM

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god idk how anyone would have the patience to speedrun stuff that long, more power to you but i cannot even imagine the tilt of having something go wrong 10 hours into a run or some shit

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:11 AM

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she did it out of pure hate for the game dw

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:11 AM

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lmao

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:12 AM

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The ironic urge to play a game you hate for 81 hours

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:13 AM

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15*

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:13 AM

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Oopsie

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Oh well

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Still a funny time commitment for a game you dislike but oh well

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:14 AM

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i mean

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she had already payed for it

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might as well play it lol

native garden Sep 19, 2024, 4:14 AM

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Paid with your hard earned money

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Top quality quadruple A game

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Oh wait, this ain’t Ubisoft. Nvm

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:15 AM

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dreamy orchid might as well play it lol

Thought she didn't get the pass

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:15 AM

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potent fog god idk how anyone would have the patience to speedrun stuff that long, more pow...

nothing went wrong because the routing was optimal 🔥

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she bought it when it was announced

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she also pre-ordered the most expensive version of the game

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:16 AM

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self inflicted tbh

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:16 AM

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But still even then considering how much she dislikes it i wouldn't expect her to still want to play it

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:16 AM

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i mean

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she was actively excited for the game pre-release

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i think her disappointment is very genuine lol

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:16 AM

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Pre-release

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Not post

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:16 AM

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she was actively doomposting from the very first trailer lol

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making shit up about damage formula

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:16 AM

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i mean, she was right about weapons being halved lol

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:17 AM

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but completely wrong about them being multihit

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:17 AM

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celest kindle Not post

But i probably just don't understand the inner funny of putting yourself through a game you dislike

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:17 AM

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i don't think she said they were real multihit

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:17 AM

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she doomed about it

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:17 AM

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she added the damage together and realised it was weaker than base skills

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by a lot

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that's what was doomposted about lol

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:18 AM

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celest kindle But still even then considering how much she dislikes it i wouldn't expect her t...

wanting to have a more genuine opinion on the game and dlc especially due to it being hyped up by others

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i also don't really like the game much but i have played (most of) the dlc by now

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partly to see how much they changed and also to be able to give a proper opinion

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because its not 100% fair to comment on something you haven't played

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i could do better stuff but she wanted to hang out and we decided to play it together

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:19 AM

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Thought you played Reload through Game Pass

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:19 AM

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Overall I'm still on group

You can pick whatever version to play and it'll be fine

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:20 AM

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Although ig you had moved to Steam at one point

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:20 AM

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i had a gamepass free trial i redeemed on release day to get the game a day early

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i always had the steam version bought i just didn't want to be left out while everyone else was experiencing and spoiling the game a day earlier than me lol

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:20 AM

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real

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i just went to bed

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dontcarelol

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:21 AM

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oh it was like

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right when i woke up

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:21 AM

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The night fell for MeovvCat

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:21 AM

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so i was disappointed af

native garden Sep 19, 2024, 4:23 AM

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celest kindle The night fell for MeovvCat

https://tenor.com/view/cuddles-cuddle-cat-cat-cuddle-sleepy-cat-cat-sleepy-gif-13127427148831486106

Tenor

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:23 AM

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It took 12 hours after 12 AM to open

Play for 10 hours

Get robbed of my wallet when buying food after

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Be sad af

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:24 AM

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idk who we're talking about but that's a big bummer that she didn't enjoy reload. i love this game sm and it honestly saved my distate of FES left over from both having issues with how the story is conveyed (as well as some minor stuff with not being a fan of the actual plot elements themselves) as well as ragequitting from the mechanics pissing me off so much (once again whoever invented random skill inheritence deserves immediate summary execution by firing squad), but i definitely see how people don't like reload over FES, both for mechanical and story reasons. i still have things i prefer about the original's narrative and especially visual presentation, and it's way too easy to break the difficulty curve but overall i think it's probably my favorite persona game and lived up to the original

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:24 AM

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we're talking about yuki

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:25 AM

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iron pilot It took 12 hours after 12 AM to open Play for 10 hours Get robbed of my wallet...

Unfortunate timing

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:25 AM

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Getting robbed set me back roughly 2.3K

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So big L on me

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:25 AM

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Did you get your wallet back

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:25 AM

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idk who that is lol, im not really active in the persona community online besides this specific mod and Crystahhl (though not really as much with the latter recently outside of her dance stuff)

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:25 AM

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i'm sad she didn't like it because it became her defining personality trait for 7 months

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:26 AM

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Yuki's known for the Useful Description mods for the games i think

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:26 AM

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ah ok

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:26 AM

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Wtf why did it do it twice

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:26 AM

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it's shio's mod now 😔

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:26 AM

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don't remind me that i still need to update it

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i gotta make it compatible with episode aegis

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:27 AM

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honestly my hot take is that the movies are the best verison of p3 lmao, if they had managed to somehow fit in the social links it would be completely perfect

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:27 AM

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she made the p3f/p3p/p3r versions initially though, i just upkept the p3r one because she didn't want to work on it anymore

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still her mod since she did the initial work behind it

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:27 AM

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potent fog honestly my hot take is that the movies are the best verison of p3 lmao, if they...

Idk i think the way they power through everything kinda screwed with the pacing

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:28 AM

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still easily the best version of the ken and shinjiro plotline too outside of the extra ken stuff reload added, having him not realize that Shinji killed his mom and idolizing him instead of Aki, then finding out right before october 4th is so much more heartbreaking

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:28 AM

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Also not sure how to feel about some of the story changes but it was great presentation wise

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And the OST kicks ass so it's got that going for itself too

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:28 AM

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as the resident amadahead i don't really agree

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i like how their dynamic is presented in the game a lot and i think him knowing ahead of time adds a lot to it

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:29 AM

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Honestly I was mostly playing a bit with disagreeing on magic stuffs, I genuinely agree on a lot of points she have but I'm just happy that I get to experience P3 fresh again

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I can only play PS2/PSP for long

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:29 AM

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I mean it's not really changed that much between game and movie, Ken just gets to know and like Shinji before he finds out about the fact he was the reason his mom's dead

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:30 AM

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iron pilot Honestly I was mostly playing a bit with disagreeing on magic stuffs, I genuinel...

i think that's fair

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:30 AM

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iron pilot Honestly I was mostly playing a bit with disagreeing on magic stuffs, I genuinel...

yuki is absolutely right on everything, it's just annoying to see it repeated over and over, poisoned with irony to boot

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:30 AM

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Having Ken start liking Shinji to then be instantly heartbroken from discovering he's his mom's killer hits a lot better if you ask me

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In the games it felt weirdly unceremonious despite it being a big thing for Ken's character

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:31 AM

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dreamy orchid i like how their dynamic is presented in the game a lot and i think him knowing ...

yeah the game version isn't bad, i just think it kinda feels a bit ridiculous that he's plotting to kill shinji the minute they meet and none of the people involved at least realizing that maybe having them in such close proximity isn't healthy for the kid and is a bad idea even if he doesn't want to commit murder

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:31 AM

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celest kindle I mean it's not really changed that much between game and movie, Ken just gets t...

i think Ken's whole plan makes a lot more sense with him knowing Shinjiro's the one who did the deed ahead of time

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:31 AM

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like ikutski has the excuse of being an asshole regardless but why the hell did mitsuru and akihiko not at least pick up that something was wrong

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:31 AM

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And I think Ken having to hide his visceral hatred for Shinjiro while the latter has to hide his regret for it is a really strong dynamic

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:32 AM

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I have my own gripes with reload, especially that theurgia bullshit for the answer but no one really cares that much but me about it

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:32 AM

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they were literally there and know what he's going through so twisting the knife like that just feels irresponsible in an OOC way for them

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:32 AM

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Why does Ken actually even join SEES in the movies

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:32 AM

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for fun

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:32 AM

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Since in the games he joins SEES because he knows Shinjiro is the one who did it and wants to kill him lol

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:32 AM

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dreamy orchid Why does Ken actually even join SEES in the movies

iirc just because he awakened and they need the manpower, and ikutski is being shady

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:33 AM

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That is so much worse than in the game lol

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:33 AM

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Isn't that the same reason he ends up joining in the game anyway?

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:33 AM

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I don't think I'd be a fan of the movies much compared to the games if I watched them

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:33 AM

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yeah that's the downside of him not being motivated by revenge, but it does serve to characterize just how desperate SEES is and just how fucked the kirijo group and ikutski are

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:33 AM

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celest kindle Isn't that the same reason he ends up joining in the game anyway?

No

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:33 AM

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At least I don't remember seeing the explicit reason being shown just him suddenly asking to join since he did have the potential

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:33 AM

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The movies are fine but I don't think it tells the story perfectly

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:34 AM

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They know he has the potential far before he joins, he only becomes an official member of SEES after eavesdropping on Aki and Shinji and learning Shinjiro's the one who killed his mother

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:34 AM

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Except the final boss fight I guess

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:34 AM

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the movies are pretty good if you approach it as an alternate billcosbyTRUE

native garden Sep 19, 2024, 4:34 AM

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iron pilot The movies are fine but I don't think it tells the story perfectly

May as well just read the manga

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:34 AM

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Yeah^

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:34 AM

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iron pilot Except the final boss fight I guess

i won't lie, i don't like having protag solo nyx

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:35 AM

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The movies are movies so I'd say that contributes to the problem a bit

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:35 AM

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i guess it makes the dynamic between the protag and ryoji better though

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:35 AM

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in context it's good

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:35 AM

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dreamy orchid i won't lie, i don't like having protag solo nyx

yeah that is kinda lame, probably my least favorite change, but it's executed pretty well imo

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:35 AM

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They have to condense all of the game into that so they have to change some stuff in the process

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:35 AM

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he's soloing nyx because the whole team is doing everything everywhere at once

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:35 AM

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dreamy orchid i won't lie, i don't like having protag solo nyx

Nah I was thinking the music and vibe

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Being with members if you do it in game but with that music

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Shit goes hard

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:36 AM

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i kinda like the actual final boss theme more...

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😔

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:36 AM

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celest kindle They have to condense all of the game into that so they have to change some stuf...

yeah glad they went with an anime for p4 because a long form medium fits the series a lot better for adapting it out of a video game

native garden Sep 19, 2024, 4:36 AM

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iron pilot Yeah^

~~don’t read the last part of it tho~~

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:36 AM

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The music applies to everyone even in the movies

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So it's pretty good for me

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:37 AM

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shame the p5 anime had a budget of five cents lmao, did they even finish adapting it or did it get cut short

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:37 AM

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lol you can get vorpal blade before brave blade

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funny game

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junpei gets it 18 levels late technically

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:38 AM

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Gotta say i kinda benched Junpei so far

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:38 AM

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are you mad

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:38 AM

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I only started using him after i got to the Cocytus boss

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:38 AM

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ah answer

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:39 AM

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hollow trail are you mad

I could be

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:39 AM

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celest kindle Gotta say i kinda benched Junpei so far

in mq or episode aigis? junpei has kinda been my goat damage dealer in EA

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:39 AM

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@dreamy orchid what do you think of this shit

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:39 AM

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EP Aigis yeah

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:39 AM

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like yes he's goated

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but what are these levels

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:39 AM

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In MQ I'd have him around a lot of the time

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:39 AM

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in episode aigis he's like top 3, you just gotta get past having vacuum slash

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:39 AM

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Need my fire and phys guy

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Also he's a must for the full Samurai team

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:40 AM

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dreamy orchid in episode aigis he's like top 3, you just gotta get past having vacuum slash

yeah i just kinda used metis or aigis for aoe phys until he got blade of fury lmao, stuck to single target with him until then

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:40 AM

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yeah he slogs until blade of fury

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i benched him for koromaru until the clock

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funny revolution bot

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:41 AM

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hollow trail

his skill set in general?

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or just like, the gap

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:41 AM

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the set is good but the gaps are abysmal

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and you feel it more in answer

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:41 AM

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Ended up using Akihiko more than Junpei in the Answer due to him being a little late on levels compared to my main party

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:41 AM

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aki????

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:41 AM

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Trust the plan

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:41 AM

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i think the gap is mostly indicative of protag getting shit way too early more than him getting it late tbh

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:42 AM

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celest kindle Ended up using Akihiko more than Junpei in the Answer due to him being a little ...

actual insane person

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aki is stuck with jionga for half the game bro

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:42 AM

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dreamy orchid i think the gap is mostly indicative of protag getting shit way too early more t...

look i can fix the party, but fixing 150 personas is mental asylum material

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:42 AM

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Speaking of i have to take Ken out for leveling him, that's gonna take a bit

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:42 AM

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oh yeah are the odds of getting fusion accidents and/or skill mutation boosted to full moon levels in EA or are you just stuck with the lower odds because im trying to get magic mastery for heartless jonker and its making me want to fucking scream

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:42 AM

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weak willed 😈

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:42 AM

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you do it.

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:42 AM

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i'm working on it

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😈

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but yeah i get not wanting to touch that shit

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i think mainly just some outliers should be corrected

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like no more blade of fury matador and shit

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:43 AM

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blade of fury matador is based though

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pain_snao

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:43 AM

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would help if reload just had more skills to fill in the gaps

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like where is kill rush? double fangs? twin shot?

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:43 AM

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see

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i already filled almost every single slot with the uniques and ringo's skills

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:44 AM

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I did Blade of Fury Ose

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:44 AM

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i think only things that maybe need an extra thing are like

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:44 AM

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dreamy orchid like no more blade of fury matador and shit

Andalucia (Matador)438
Deals weak Slash damage to all foes (1-3 hits). Decreases target's Accuracy/Evasion for 3 turns.

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you're not gonna like this one

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Troll

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:44 AM

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Blade of Fury Yakshimi

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:44 AM

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hollow trail Andalucia (Matador)438 Deals weak Slash damage to all foes (1-3 hits). Decreases...

that's less good/broken than blade of fury

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:44 AM

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wait this is masukunda

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:45 AM

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i can't english

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:45 AM

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billcosbyTRUE should i replace blade of fury with andalucia then

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in matador's kit

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:45 AM

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yea

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:45 AM

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i'll have to remove it from goemon too, and he'll be poopoo dogshit

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:46 AM

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celest kindle Blade of Fury Yakshimi

in episode aigis i used power arrow rain, then shifted to yakshini blade of fury/deathbound the entire game until siegfried and bishamonten

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:46 AM

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hollow trail i'll have to remove it from goemon too, and he'll be poopoo dogshit

good tbh

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dlc headass

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i think if you've got some slots left though

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:46 AM

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making them shit is bad

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they should be of at least equal quality

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:46 AM

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consider just adding one or two skills to affinities that need em

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:46 AM

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dreamy orchid in episode aigis i used power arrow rain, then shifted to yakshini blade of fury...

I don't have her yet but i was using her a lot in my Journey MQ run

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:46 AM

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like kill rush for strike between assault dive and gigan fist would help a lot

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:46 AM

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i have a few i can squeeze out but look i already added like 80 skills

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:47 AM

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Blade of Fury's Blade of Fury

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:47 AM

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wait how far are you into answer

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by saying "you've been using aki more than junpei" did you mean you brought aki into door 2 but not junpei

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because it sounds like that's what you meant

potent fog Sep 19, 2024, 4:48 AM

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i cant really remember if i had this problem in base game but in my EA playthrough i kinda felt like i wasnt really wanting to fuse a ton of the time because all of my options were either not what i needed or objectively worse than my current lineup. idk how youd fix that or if its just a skill issue on my part but a lot of skillsets just kinda seemed bad or worse than the other alternatives

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:48 AM

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Uh I just finished Cocytus so far

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:48 AM

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i don't do names gimme the number

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all the areas look the same so we can't even use descriptors

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:48 AM

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That is the second dungeon

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:48 AM

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I KNEW IT

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:48 AM

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dreamy orchid all the areas look the same so we can't even use descriptors

?

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:48 AM

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cock door

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 4:48 AM

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So in episode aigis, do you have to redo everything from the ground up or can you transfer a lot of stuff that you already changed? (such as changed item effects, skills, mechanics, enemy ai, etc)

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:48 AM

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they recycle the same 4/5 areas the entire game

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:49 AM

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celest kindle ?

they reuse the dungeons on every door

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the only unique one is empyrean

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:49 AM

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That was my favorite in FES

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:49 AM

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What

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:49 AM

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Aesthetics wise

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:49 AM

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i forget if p3f answer did this i swear i was tripping out

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:49 AM

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Unless you're talking about FES

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:49 AM

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It's goated now since the layout's way different

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Before it was just an Adamah reskin

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:49 AM

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because i didn't know if this was something from fes or something they changed to fuck with me

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:49 AM

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errant pumice So in episode aigis, do you have to redo everything from the ground up or can yo...

Some stuff can be "copied", but it's effectively having to be done from scratch anyway so I might as well just redo the whole thing

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:50 AM

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In FES some areas did feel pretty samey

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:50 AM

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its been a long while since i played le answer

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:50 AM

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That was mostly early on

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I stopped at that really heavenly looking place

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:50 AM

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celest kindle What

they reuse the floor designs later on

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and keep looping them

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:50 AM

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With the chrome beetles or what fuck shit

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:50 AM

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like you go back to the blue one then back to the purple one then back to the dorm one

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:50 AM

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dreamy orchid and keep looping them

Damn

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:50 AM

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dreamy orchid because i didn't know if this was something from fes or something they changed t...

I can tell which one

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What are you confused about

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:50 AM

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did they reuse the floor designs in multiple doors in fes

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i forget if they did that

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:51 AM

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yea

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:51 AM

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i swear they didn't but i feel like my brain is gaslighting me

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 4:51 AM

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dreamy orchid i won't lie, i don't like having protag solo nyx

them switching battle hymn of the soul and BMD last battle was really funny though

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:51 AM

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i cannot remember

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:51 AM

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But yeah i basically haven't used Junpei in Dungeon 2, just started now on the third one

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:51 AM

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bro you got access to junpei, koromaru, ken and metis and you're like "hmm yes, i'll bring akihiko"

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:51 AM

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Got his personality too so he can say the line

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 4:51 AM

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fraud playthrough

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:52 AM

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ken is better at elec than akihiko bruh 😭

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 4:52 AM

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yukari Mitsuru and Akihiko 😎

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:52 AM

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west swift yukari Mitsuru and Akihiko 😎

its op, they cover all debuffs

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:52 AM

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challenge run

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:52 AM

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dreamy orchid its op, they cover all debuffs

jet ass response

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:52 AM

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dreamy orchid did they reuse the floor designs in multiple doors in fes

They reused floor layouts of the blocks so they have the same layout as tartarus ones

But this one, they're unique

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Distinct from the reload tartarus blocks

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:52 AM

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I mean my main party was Yukari, Metis, Aki or Yukari, Metis, Ken for the first floors

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:52 AM

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yeah p3r answer is fully unique

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:52 AM

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hollow trail jet ass response

heartless joker was designed to counter that op party comp by making him NUKE you for having all three debuffs on him

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:53 AM

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iron pilot They reused floor layouts of the blocks so they have the same layout as tartarus...

no what i mean is

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:53 AM

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Gone back to Ken after the Cocytus boss too speaking of since he was kinda underleveled

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:53 AM

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does the dorm-looking design appear multiple times

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:53 AM

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dreamy orchid heartless joker was designed to counter that op party comp by making him NUKE yo...

they should've kept him crittable, but make crits a rule break

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:53 AM

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for example

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i forget if that happened or not

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i feel like i'm in a state of psychosis

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:53 AM

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nameless

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:54 AM

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like does the arqa reskin one only appear in door 2 or does it keep showing up

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:54 AM

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piik

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:54 AM

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i don't remember i don't know my past anymore

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 4:54 AM

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hollow trail Some stuff can be "copied", but it's effectively having to be done from scratch ...

Ah, okay. Hope it goes well! Take your time.

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:54 AM

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isn't Arqa reskin the first dungeon

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:54 AM

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I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER

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NOT IN THE KIWAMI VERSION BUT NOW YOU'RE MAKING ME DOUBT MYSELF EVEN MORE

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:54 AM

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fes has a yabbashah reskin

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:54 AM

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i gotta just play it again bruh

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i'm sick of this i'm being tricked i'm having games played on me

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:55 AM

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I think the Arqa looking place is first dungeon in both versions lol

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:55 AM

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hollow trail they should've kept him crittable, but make crits a rule break

using theurgia should be a rule break

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:55 AM

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you end it with one anyway

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:56 AM

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dreamy orchid does the dorm-looking design appear multiple times

Yeah a lot

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:56 AM

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so you need to go through 32k health with no theurgias and no crits while he constantly resists or nulls most affinities

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:56 AM

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iron pilot Yeah a lot

okay thank you doors

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i knew i could trust you

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:56 AM

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Jonkler is funny

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:56 AM

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Demi-Fiend with no reflect

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:56 AM

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joker is like demifiend if demifiend required you to grind for 30 hours

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 4:57 AM

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Is there a proper guide to Joker? I don't care about what moves he does, I only care about his "rule breaks" lol

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:57 AM

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By the way, i think i might've read some messages around the server wrong but is Joker like a story fight or something lol

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:57 AM

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i fully expected him to at least have rotating weaknesses

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but no

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cant have fun in persona

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that would be too op

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:58 AM

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celest kindle By the way, i think i might've read some messages around the server wrong but is...

no

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you can fight him after beating le reaper

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:58 AM

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Ah good

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Haven't met that guy yet

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:58 AM

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he's not a story fight but elizabeth contextualizes his presence in canon i think

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:58 AM

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(reaper and the jongler)

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:58 AM

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hollow trail i fully expected him to at least have rotating weaknesses

Nah no vulnerabilities either

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:58 AM

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hollow trail i fully expected him to at least have rotating weaknesses

rotates to fire weakness, junpei nukes in one turn with blaze of life

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 4:58 AM

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He's not even hard tbh he's just goofy as fuck

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 4:59 AM

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he feels super wrong because his summon anim is slower and doesn't have evoker sound

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feels like a mod

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legit

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 4:59 AM

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Surprised they haven't done different weaknesses for Joker since P3 Protag fight in 5 has it and Emperor Empress is still a fight

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 4:59 AM

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dreamy orchid rotates to fire weakness, junpei nukes in one turn with blaze of life

Joker: I rotated to strike weakness

Aigis shifting to Metis moment

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 4:59 AM

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he's not hard he just requires you to grind 99 endurance, messiah armour, endure and enduring soul equips for all party members used along with the weapons with best passive effects

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:00 AM

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that's not difficulty, it's atlus trying to make it look hard to casuals

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"joker canonically solos sees now btw" shut the fuck up fraud

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:00 AM

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its obnoxious af cus you can't even buy gems with money anymore

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you just gotta loop monad doors constantly to try and get incenses bruh

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:00 AM

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xit engin

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:00 AM

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hollow trail "joker canonically solos sees now btw" shut the fuck up fraud

Did they forget PQ2?

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Isn't he the weakest out of the bunch?

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:01 AM

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i'd kick his ass but i don't wanna grind bruh

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 5:01 AM

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errant pumice Did they forget PQ2?

Technically

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Yes they did

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:01 AM

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i wanna kick his ass too

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:01 AM

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errant pumice Isn't he the weakest out of the bunch?

he's the best tank there

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:01 AM

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Ren fucking sucks in PQ2

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Lmaooo

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:01 AM

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I'm also personally not a fan of arbitrary rule breaks like what they do in P3 superbosses

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:01 AM

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Like between protags he's weakest

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:01 AM

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akechi the strongest protag fr

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:01 AM

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Not wildcards though because Akechi exists but he has a really strong bind skill

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:01 AM

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they made joker persona 5 a sponge with a bunch of rules specically to spite p3 fans who want to kick his ass

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:01 AM

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So he's more valuable than Ren

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Who, at best, is a tank

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:02 AM

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west swift I'm also personally not a fan of arbitrary rule breaks like what they do in P3 s...

oh if you thought reload elizabeth had an asinine ruleset, joker's will make you want to shoot yourself

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:02 AM

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great design

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:02 AM

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joker's rules are also hardcoded

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:02 AM

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Reload Liz is just OG Liz but her rotations changes and has phases now

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:02 AM

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good luck

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:02 AM

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west swift I'm also personally not a fan of arbitrary rule breaks like what they do in P3 s...

I tried playing the Joker boss blind for the first time on Heartless, I buffed my teammates and used my end game gear

He did not like that so he did Sinful shell 1st turn

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:02 AM

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iron pilot Reload Liz is just OG Liz but her rotations changes and has phases now

untrue

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high counter is a rule violation now

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:02 AM

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idk like it's just lame to have all these rules so you can't even go in blind

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:02 AM

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Oh right

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Yeah that's a difference

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That's about it though

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:02 AM

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west swift idk like it's just lame to have all these rules so you can't even go in blind

they literally disabled critting on the fight you just can't do it

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the code skips it

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:03 AM

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wow

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incredible

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:03 AM

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Technically you can repel but she just blocks and then megidolaon no question

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 5:03 AM

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I feel like the whole concept of a boss enforcing rules just makes fights become a tad boring to approach

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:03 AM

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Unlike before, just megidolaon

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:03 AM

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like it's hard I'm sure but it really doesn't seem well designed lol

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 5:03 AM

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Way less room to experiment if the rules are shit

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:03 AM

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west swift idk like it's just lame to have all these rules so you can't even go in blind

liz's rules are at least somewhat easy to intuit, and so are half of lavenza's, meanwhile joker has no dialogue or even real tells for why tf he one shots you

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:03 AM

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it's not hard just grind everything and then play along

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:03 AM

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Margaret P3P still the goat

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:03 AM

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he kills you for fucking having all 3 kajas or kundas up

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:03 AM

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not a real battle imo

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:03 AM

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lavenza is fine besides that crit phase

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I liked that fight

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:04 AM

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if fuuka heat risers your party he nukes you

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:04 AM

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bruh

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why

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:04 AM

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west swift lavenza is fine besides that crit phase

no the ailment phase is not communicated at all lol

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she just expects you to know and if you don't try to tech her she just instakills you

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:04 AM

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oh yeah also i started joker with auto-charge and it didn't count as a rule break for him? whats up with that

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:04 AM

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at least it's only one rule per phase

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:04 AM

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imo its not conveyed well in the slightest

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:04 AM

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but that's fair

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:04 AM

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hollow trail oh yeah also i started joker with auto-charge and it didn't count as a rule brea...

Only in Heartless iirc

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:04 AM

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ah

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:04 AM

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i think crit phase is not really too asinine because her lu is low and crits are already consistent, but it does suck that it shoehorns phys party even more than normal

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:04 AM

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I feel like Joker boss fight was made in a rush, very choppy animation when he summons/uses them and no sound effects

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:04 AM

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Or maybe it's only charge + concentrate

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Hmmmm

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:04 AM

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i was in heartless but i loaded the regular battle

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:05 AM

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lavenza with magic members only literally relies on joker critting her lol

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:05 AM

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Oh that makes sense

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:05 AM

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Like it's a modded boss, lol

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:05 AM

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yeah because the game actually has 2 jokers

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if you're in heartless it loads a different one

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:05 AM

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Jonkler shadow clone

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 5:05 AM

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Joker and True Joker

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:05 AM

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first difficulty-based boss in persona

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:05 AM

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really sucks that the rules are hard coded, would've loved to see them changed 😔

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:06 AM

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we know its not the real joker because the actual joker would've gotten one tapped by junpei

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:06 AM

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^

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:06 AM

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hollow trail first difficulty-based boss in persona

that part is pretty cool honestly

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:06 AM

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west swift really sucks that the rules are hard coded, would've loved to see them changed �...

some stuff you can disable, but the no-crit shit you can't unless you force heartless to load the base version

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which tbh

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:06 AM

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i love disabling integral gameplay mechanics!!

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:06 AM

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moment

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:06 AM

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i was gonna say i'd hijack one of the jokers

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but elizabeth really is the only battle ID i can use for a custom battle

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:07 AM

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makes you kinda wonder what they're gonna do with P4 remake

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:07 AM

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probably p6 hero

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:07 AM

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turn the reaper into a different guy

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tatsuya sudou replaces reaper when

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:07 AM

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I was thinking the overall gameplay but that works too

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:07 AM

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nah bro

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:07 AM

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I jumped a few steps in terms of my logic lol

celest kindle Sep 19, 2024, 5:07 AM

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When are they gonna get meta and make you fight yourself

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:07 AM

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are they really gonna keep the P4 element spread

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:07 AM

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p4 remake will have femc boss just to spite the p3p fans who wanted her in reload

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:08 AM

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if they go back to single phys

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istg

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:08 AM

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that would suck

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one of my least favorite parts about p4

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:08 AM

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Big stinky

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:08 AM

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p4 remake will have Joker fight, no Femc, always Joker in every game

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:08 AM

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why do you have 4 magic + 2 special magic and 1 physical

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:08 AM

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single phys, phys boosters still in the game and even more commonplace, drivers are now normal skills, still has more phys skills than p3r despite only one typing

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that's my p4r expectation list

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:08 AM

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ailment phys skills 😎

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:08 AM

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physona

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:08 AM

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CRAZY CHAIN

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CRAAAAAZY CHAIN

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:09 AM

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it would be funny to see them nerf the shit out of phys

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kanji is shit, yukiko meta

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:09 AM

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phys btfo'd by 48sp exclusive severe magic skills

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:09 AM

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west swift kanji is shit, yukiko meta

nah kanji is a top-tier magic user

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:09 AM

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true....

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will they keep mediarama kanji

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:10 AM

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I hope they keep the funny mechanic of the golden hand if they do make a P4 remake

Start battle
Hand slaps the shit out of you for no reason
leaves

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:10 AM

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looking at how p3r handled fuuka, p4r rise will make p3r fuuka look mid

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acts every single turn idk

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:10 AM

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fact: he gets tier 2 magic, boost and amp before yukiko does

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:10 AM

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really? lmao

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that's amazing

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:10 AM

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west swift looking at how p3r handled fuuka, p4r rise will make p3r fuuka look mid

oh

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:10 AM

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yeah so does yosuke iirc

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:10 AM

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kanji is so cool

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:11 AM

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i know what they'lll do

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:11 AM

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yukiko is the last party member to learn boost as a mitsuru reference

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:11 AM

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they'll make it work like p3r oracle, but one of the effects is Peerless Resolve

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:11 AM

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uh.... what's that lol

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:11 AM

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active buff enduring soul

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from yakuza 7

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kek

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:11 AM

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ahahaha

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make it literally impossible to die

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that'd be awesome

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:11 AM

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rise will automatically scan all enemies

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:11 AM

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At this point, the Yakuza series would be P6 at this point

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:12 AM

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but then in the joker persona 5 fight if she uses it you die instantly

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:12 AM

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and will still restore 10% sp after each battle

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:12 AM

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west swift but then in the joker persona 5 fight if she uses it you die instantly

and its rng

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:12 AM

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she will give you a buff and debuff/ailment the enemies at the start of every single battle

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:12 AM

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joker's rulebreak instakill also accounts for endure btw

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he gives himself 3 turns then does sinful shell three times

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:12 AM

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that's hilarious

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:12 AM

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futaba has ultimate support

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so

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i mean

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rise can have it

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billcosbyTRUE

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:13 AM

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ultimate support that will also include charge/concentrate and tetrakarn/makarakarn

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:13 AM

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futaba really said "max hp/sp heal + all kajas + all kundas"

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:13 AM

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joker p5 fight in p4r will have joker use sinful shell 5 times to account for endure, enduring soul, rise shield, rise protag revive

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:13 AM

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What's sad is that I really enjoyed the Velvet room previous protagonists fights and the Velvet room attendants fights

I just hate the Episode Aigis Joker fight

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:13 AM

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hollow trail futaba really said "max hp/sp heal + all kajas + all kundas"

you forgot it also revives all party members and gives them revolution effect

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:13 AM

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billcosbyTRUE

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:13 AM

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ultimate support is funny

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:14 AM

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its funny how rng she can either do that or just give you like mediarama heal

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:14 AM

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oh and rise also gets a bunch of useless filler skills to make her look more well designed than fuuka p3r

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like wow! we expanded on the skills that fuuka had in p3r!

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:14 AM

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did anyone ever use those tartarus skills in p3r

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like the fucking distress thing lmao

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:14 AM

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I forgor they existed

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i just used scan and theurgy

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:15 AM

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i always forget sylphid aura exists but looking at it its actually quite cracked

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:15 AM

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west swift like wow! we expanded on the skills that fuuka had in p3r!

"TV World Search"
Spam it 10 times
Reach boss with 0 SP cost
Beat boss
leave
boosted xp from level diff

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:15 AM

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but the others are so dogshit lmao

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:15 AM

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peak

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:15 AM

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dreamy orchid did anyone ever use those tartarus skills in p3r

I only use the buff one and the tartarus search when greedy hand showed up

Nothing else

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:15 AM

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I also kinda hope they do something about the P4 hallways too

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:15 AM

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do you like how its still called tartarus search in the answer

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:15 AM

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fr lol

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:15 AM

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abyss of time search rename mod when

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:16 AM

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NO, lol

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:16 AM

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the treasure is named after tartarus blocks too

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:16 AM

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lmao

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:16 AM

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YEAH I NOTICED THAT

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ITS SO LAZY

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:16 AM

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did they just forget

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:16 AM

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nah i think it was always like that

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:16 AM

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i love getting thebel lanterns in the new dlc!!

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:16 AM

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i can rename tho

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billcosbyTRUE

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:16 AM

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west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:16 AM

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they made a whole ass new intro but couldn't rename the treasure? wild

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:16 AM

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inb4 its an atlus west thing

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:16 AM

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You guys can't

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:16 AM

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anyone wanna check that lol

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:17 AM

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it being called tartarus search is fine

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imo

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but the treasure is yikes

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:17 AM

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The blocks are sliced between areas so harabah I and harabah I are different

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But they have the same sellable items

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:17 AM

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mod that makes party members get their 2nd theurgias during actually story-relevant scenes and not filler when

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also make it not rng lmao

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:17 AM

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what

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:17 AM

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i actually wonder what tf even triggers those

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:17 AM

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what

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:17 AM

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i kinda like it being rng

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:17 AM

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the order you get is seemingly random

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:17 AM

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tbh

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:17 AM

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did they make the second Theurgies rng

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wow

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:17 AM

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i got a different order than both meovv and yuki

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so yes i think so

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:17 AM

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Wait, it's RNG?

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:18 AM

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this really enhances the episode aigis speedrunning meta

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:18 AM

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west swift did they make the second Theurgies rng

after you beat a main door boss a random pair of party members will chat in private about their resolve and get their second theurgy together

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:18 AM

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i got junpei/mitsuru first, then fuuka/metis, then ken/yukari then aki/koromaru

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:18 AM

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hmmm I'm not really sure how to feel about that

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:18 AM

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i got metis/fuuka first, then ken/yukari, then aki/koromaru, then junpei/mitsuru

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:18 AM

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dreamy orchid i got a different order than both meovv and yuki

Which one's first for you

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:18 AM

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junpei/midsuru

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:18 AM

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Wait, even the party member pairing is RNG too?

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:18 AM

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no

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:18 AM

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the pairings arent

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:19 AM

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the pairing is the same

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:19 AM

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Wait, I read it wrong

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My bad

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:19 AM

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also INCREDIBLE how those scenes aren't even voiced

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:19 AM

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that's an odd choice though huh

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bruh

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:19 AM

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they did not care 🔥

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:19 AM

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did they really not voice them

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:19 AM

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Junpei x Mitsuru crackshippers ate good with that scene

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billcosbyTRUE

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:19 AM

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none of the new scenes are voiced from what i saw

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like, the dorm hangouts are unvoiced

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same with those 2nd awakenings

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:19 AM

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I should play episode aigis at some point just so I can judge it more fairly

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but this sounds kinda mid

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:19 AM

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it being rng is good imo

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:19 AM

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such a weird change to make them not voiced cus they're fully voiced in the base game

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:20 AM

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it being tied to story would be better but also worse

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:20 AM

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I got Mitsuru first, and Koromaru last. I don't remember the 2nd or 3rd of which one I got of the order

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:20 AM

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ken would come first

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:20 AM

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them being fully voiced was the best part about p3r

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:20 AM

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which is awful for balance

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:20 AM

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dreamy orchid junpei/midsuru

Fuuka/Metis

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:20 AM

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hollow trail it being rng is good imo

for gameplay? maybe, but for the narrative it'd 100% be better and make more sense

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:20 AM

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Lmao

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:20 AM

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they could've also just not buffed Ken AdachiTrue

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:20 AM

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ken should be nerfed to the ground

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fuck ken

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:20 AM

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don't even play around blud

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we run these streets

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:21 AM

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I would rather they have done the 2nd theurgy order based on story stuff

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balance the party members accordingly (or try)

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:21 AM

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Also the gear is fucking funny, it's like "Hmm maybe we should give Ken invigorate 3 shoes with his 10 SP every turn buff"

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:21 AM

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that's a nerf

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:21 AM

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its so weird seeing ken's past and his initial reason for fighting, contrasting how much he's grown now, and then randomly right after junpei/mitsuru have an unvoiced conversation about how they're frauds now and suddenly junpei gets his chidori thingy again

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:22 AM

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pffff

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that's how they do it though???

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:22 AM

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that's not how it happens through

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no

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you need to leave the dungeon to trigger the scene

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it's not immediately after

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:22 AM

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I was gonna say that sounds awful lol

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:22 AM

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i only left the dungeons after the doors

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the doors make you leave automatically

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:22 AM

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that's on you

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😔

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no you can keep going

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you need to literally exit to dorm

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:23 AM

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how long is p3r the answer

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:23 AM

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yeah i do that after every door because you get items for characteristics after boss fights

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:23 AM

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26 hours

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:23 AM

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I wonder if it's something I should pick up on the side

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that's.... alright

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:23 AM

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15 if you play like yuki and skip everything out of spite

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:23 AM

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west swift how long is p3r the answer

15-30 hours depending on your pace, probably average about 20-25

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:23 AM

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100 if you're gonna do what I'm gonna do

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:23 AM

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I'm gonna just play normally lol

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:23 AM

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999 members all and perfect personas

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:24 AM

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hollow trail 15 if you play like yuki and skip everything out of spite

technically the actual run was 18 hours but the save file says 15

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:24 AM

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idk if I'll do heartless

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:24 AM

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i think there was a break in between

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:24 AM

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you should

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anything less wouldn't be enjoyable tbh

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:24 AM

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I might but I need to think about it when I actually get the chance to play

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:24 AM

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west swift how long is p3r the answer

Took me 30 hours to 100% everything on Heartless. Only reason why it took a while was because I neglected the Persona fusion spell missions and had bad RNG luck with Monad door boss loot, which added like an extra 2.5 hours

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:24 AM

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the game is already piss easy on heartless and you can change to lower if you krill issue so i see no reason not to

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:24 AM

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oh cool

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:25 AM

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piss easy is disingenuous

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:25 AM

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errant pumice Took me 30 hours to 100% everything on Heartless. Only reason why it took a whil...

did you do jonkler in 30 hours bruh

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:25 AM

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heard that it was actually decently hard until like ???

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:25 AM

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it is

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yes

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:25 AM

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hollow trail piss easy is disingenuous

i have struggled with it less than base game so far

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:25 AM

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??? is funny

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You can funny rush without doing anything and you will win

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https://youtu.be/9ZqfmPQdHVk?feature=shared

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BothDoorsCares

??? Fight (Persona 3 Reload: The Answer, Heartless, Solo, Weapons o...

I must say, they attempted to at least make it AFK resistant this time. But it's still possible.

??? has the special gimmick of being able to switch into the reverse versions of the cast's personas except Metis (Yay Persona 2 reference). In a solo setting, this means he can't switch out of Athena at all. This is easy to exploit in FES beforehan...

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dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:25 AM

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i actually died in base game and occasionally felt reason to use debuffs, have not had either happen yet in the answer

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:25 AM

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harder or easier than fes 🤔

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:25 AM

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dreamy orchid i have struggled with it less than base game so far

you are an outlier, episode aigis is objectively tougher on the majority of the playerbase

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:25 AM

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To be fair, FES ver you can do this too

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:25 AM

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west swift harder or easier than fes 🤔

harder imo

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:26 AM

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oh wow

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:26 AM

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fes was autopilot

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just turn on knock down and wait

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:26 AM

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dreamy orchid did you do jonkler in 30 hours bruh

Yes

Too many tries because online guides wasn't accurate 100%

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:26 AM

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west swift harder or easier than fes 🤔

much easier than fes from what i recall but i don't think the fes version is that hard either

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:26 AM

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I could probably do heartless mode just fine I think it's a matter of, how much do I want to use my brain lol

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:26 AM

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It's the same for me assuming not very good at fusing

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:26 AM

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errant pumice Yes Too many tries because online guides wasn't accurate 100%

what was your setup for heartless joker? has the grind been overstated?

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:26 AM

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Although if you know how to make Deathbound build then you win

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Or even better, Akashic Arts

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:27 AM

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west swift I could probably do heartless mode just fine I think it's a matter of, how much ...

keep in mind shio/yuki etc are absolute metagamers that make absolutely zero mistakes and always have the outright most optimal build at all times

almost everyone else I know got their shit kicked in on episode aigis

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:27 AM

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i just did blade of fury and then leveled up into deathbound

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i didn't really metagame lol

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:27 AM

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just do not make mistakes adachi_true

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:27 AM

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i haven't looked at fusion calc while playing

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:27 AM

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yeah I don't think I meta game super hard

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:27 AM

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i did it before release to see if anything changed, saw nothing really did besides getsu-ei replacement

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:27 AM

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I just did what I did last playthrough but with growth 3 on everyone

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That's all I do

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:28 AM

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well not before release but before i had the dlc

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:28 AM

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faz rushed the whole thing on peaceful and then skill issued to the sees duos for 3 consecutive hours

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it was funny

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:28 AM

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one of my irl friends was slightly disappointed with the difficulty I think but idk how far he is so far

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:28 AM

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the hardest part of the dlc for me personally is trying to fuse what i want because fucking magatsu izanagi is tower and gets in the way when i want to fuse bishamonten

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:28 AM

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just disable it

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:28 AM

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I also tend to trust you guys a little more with this sort of stuff lol

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:28 AM

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billcosbyTRUE

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:28 AM

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you can disable the dlc?

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like on steam?

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:28 AM

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yes

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:28 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1281400832822214818/1285985244603748485/vlc-record-2024-09-18-23h24m06s-Akihiko_and_Ken.mp4-.mp4?ex=66eceb56&is=66eb99d6&hm=f9deaf027e30c05d6e35b18aed4358b629c2ae38f29b3a170a93b095008be58e&

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west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:29 AM

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typically you can do that for any dlc

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:29 AM

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my precious outfits tho...

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:29 AM

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Ken almost the goat on this fight

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:29 AM

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they're all separate

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but you cant disable now actually

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because once you create a savefile it burns it in

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:29 AM

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iron pilot https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1281400832822214818/1285985244603748485...

why didn't he heal akihiko and karn them both, is he a dumb little child?

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:29 AM

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dreamy orchid what was your setup for heartless joker? has the grind been overstated?

I mean, my setup was pretty much remove starting battle buff stats and just used the Enduring soul/half damage taken equipment.

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I am not the best at builds at all

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:29 AM

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huh, firm stance is better than Ali dance here?

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:29 AM

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errant pumice I mean, my setup was pretty much remove starting battle buff stats and just used...

no i meant

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what were your party members and how did you not have them die immediately

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:30 AM

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dreamy orchid why didn't he heal akihiko and karn them both, is he a dumb little child?

He almost killed me lmfao

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:30 AM

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don't you need 99 en to tank at all

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:30 AM

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west swift huh, firm stance is better than Ali dance here?

Jonkler's hit rate almost hits perfect accuracy

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Some of them do

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:30 AM

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oh

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:30 AM

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So yeah you can't dodge very well

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:30 AM

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all of his skills are 99% acc from what i saw

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:30 AM

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this boss seems very very well designed

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:30 AM

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west swift I also tend to trust you guys a little more with this sort of stuff lol

look the dlc isn't the peak of balancing but it's also a challenge for the vast majority of people

moderate knowledge will get you really far (just stacking passives and shit) but i've seen people get absolutely filtered in the first 10 or so hours of the game, there's a few filter gatekeepers

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:31 AM

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i think if you accidentally fuse power you'll be fine

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:31 AM

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That one that killed me when I went in for the first time

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:31 AM

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especially since apparently that apt pupil card from chest is common af

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:31 AM

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that seems pretty reasonable honestly

hollow trail Sep 19, 2024, 5:31 AM

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justice is overrated

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:31 AM

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but I need to play first

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:31 AM

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i got apt pupil from my compendium like a chad but then got the card 15 mins later and was annoyed

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:31 AM

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hollow trail justice is overrated

DOUBT bruh

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its fucking stacked

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:31 AM

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I will not be playing for a bit lmao

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:32 AM

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100% base crit rate with theurgia damage is insane

errant pumice Sep 19, 2024, 5:32 AM

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dreamy orchid what were your party members and how did you not have them die immediately

Oh, like Sinful shell turn 1?

west swift Sep 19, 2024, 5:32 AM

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may buy on sale I don't wanna get it at full price lol

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:32 AM

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its like jack bros if the down were even more consistent, it did double damage by default, and had access to boosters

iron pilot Sep 19, 2024, 5:32 AM

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I didn't use Theurgia and I was more than fine

dreamy orchid Sep 19, 2024, 5:32 AM

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i've used it the entire game so far and one shot or nearly one shot most gatekeepers/monad guys i used it on

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