Persona 3 Reload | Master Quest

[potent fog]

i had some speed ones but i used them already and iirc i put two of them on junpei

so idk if the one extra point would even let him outspeed the boss

[celest kindle]

Yeah idk what to do outside of that

[potent fog]

just gonna give it a few more tries ig lol

[celest kindle]

You can try doing it with only Yukari if it gives you too much trouble but i was able to get by fine

Wait actually does the game already let you take people off the party?

[potent fog]

yeah press square on them in the stats page or talk to them at the entrance

[celest kindle]

Well yeah i knew how to do that but didn't know it already let you do it

[potent fog]

yeah i dont think youre ever kept from doing it outside of the first railroaded trips

oh sick i got that lucky rage off lmao

almost fumbled a few times by forgetting that jack frost would get smoked by the tables using agi but they decided that poisoning junpei instead of killing MC was a smarter followup and it didnt even succeed lmao

[native garden]

I guess I’ll reshare my video of doing that fight here https://youtu.be/XbvBch09tA8?si=SVm86x8N2Zn7IhLV

[hollow trail]

yea but you brought aki here

(which is the right thing to do, but they dont have aki)

[native garden]

Oh…

If I was in their shoes, I would’ve just leave Tartarus and come back until Aki is available

[potent fog]

thanks, managed to win anyways though

[native garden]

Ohh. No problem

[dreamy orchid]

doing arqa before aki joins is grief tbh tbh

[potent fog]

i mean it hasnt been that hard so far, even that boss was pretty simple after i found a workaround to the junpei thing minus some user error lol

[dreamy orchid]

well just in the sense of like

there's no reason not to wait for aki

[native garden]

Unless you want to reach his level bc he does join the party at level 15 (iirc) and you're only at lvl 12

[iron pilot]

Dude that's what I was saying on launch day

I saw the guide and it was hilarious

[celest kindle]

Wonder what kinda guide they were using lmao

I don't remember the one i tried to follow asking for that

It usually had fusion requests

[iron pilot]

Those fuckers wrote that guide with beginners in mind

Insane

Even if Reload's easy as hell that's still a dumb thing to do

[dreamy orchid]

its funny how all of the guides are worse than like just giving a blind player a social link cheat sheet

[hollow trail]

i should make my own

[iron pilot]

If I wrote a guide on this it'd probably be kinda bad but for other reasons

I don't do link episodes very efficiently

But on the other hand, I matched a max s.link run at 1/20

So maybe not

[potent fog]

rpgsite.net, its the only one i could find just googling around for a few minutes, everything else is mostly just telling you which days people are available and im not really good enough at planning stuff out to make my own schedule to max them all

[hollow trail]

the thing with reload is that if you:

• always have matching persona
• always do the correct dialogue
• prioritize your classmates (because of summer)
• prioritize ranks that will unlock other social links asap
• make sure you have enough Sundays for Akinari
• leave Hierophant for last, but do enough that it unlocks Bebe
• do SL rankups as much as possible

it's basically impossble not to max

there's a few SL you can't complete in strictly 10 days, but those you can then postpone and use the dating site note to push them over the edge without wasting any time

so you can probably finish with over a month to spare (except aigis/mitsuru)

[iron pilot]

I did Hierophant really quickly then rushed Hanged Man at some point

I got matarukaja early because of that move

The approach to max s.links is very very flexible

Imo

[hollow trail]

hiero was my first max in fes but its technically the worst SL to rush, because they are available every single day without exception even on holidays, except mondays

[iron pilot]

Wouldn't it be Nozomi

That one's the better buffer imo

[hollow trail]

him too ig

nozomi and hiero are buffers

[iron pilot]

Since generally, the personas locked behind moon only gets good at nearing endgame

Dionysus in OG-P3P, Chernobog in Reload

Hiero personas are generally ok in mid game so having some ranks on that helps

Something like Thoth

[potent fog]

i did pretty much all that on my first playthrough, but i lost out on completing all of them because i had basically no time left to do aigis. i definitely made one or two mistakes but i just personally have a fucking atrocious memory and I'll constantly forget about shit i was literally just thinking about, and then by the time i realized i forgot to do some step to raise social stats or which link i should do on a given day it was too far back to fix from either saving over the old one or just not wanting to replay tons of stuff

again, not complaining about the game itself, i just have a personal difficulty with the kinda stuff a max slink run calls for lol

[hollow trail]

i finished reload with everyone max except kenji at 5 i think

blindly

but

i failed dialogues on purpose

a lot of them

[dreamy orchid]

playing femc route made me sad because i didn't have free days to spend with nozomi

born to max moon arcana, forced to spend time with hierophant

[iron pilot]

Some additional stuff for efficiency is look at when you go to tartarus

[hollow trail]

i always 1day it when elizabeth sends the "oy they're gonna die lol" text

[potent fog]

lol i actually really like kenji, he's a stupid asshole teenager but it was in a mostly endearing and funny way to me. I feel like he's both fairly harmless to anyone but himself in his worst moments and also has a genuinely good heart underneath all the horny stuff. I do agree that i really wish you didn't have to enable all of his terrible ideas to progress his link though, but that's kind of a fatal flaw of the entire system instead of just his link. i also wish i could tell him to get his head out of his ass instead of playing into his delusions, same thing with Kaz and his knee injury

[iron pilot]

Ideally it should be at the last days of the month and in early to midgame, a day after should be a school day for some courage points

[hollow trail]

no i like kenji too he's one of my favorites

i just rushed the women and he got the short end of the stick

[dreamy orchid]

i always forget about the courage from nurse's office

[potent fog]

fair haha, i pretty much did the same thing with aigis though just because i didnt have time for her instead of getting wrong answers

though i was also using a guide for dialogue choices instead of guessing

[hollow trail]

when i said i failed dialogues i didnt mean kenji specifically

i meant on every SL

[potent fog]

ah ok lol

[hollow trail]

i played reload like a social sim

what i got was what i got

[iron pilot]

I memorized the efficient answers

[hollow trail]

i know them all too

[iron pilot]

Oof

[potent fog]

i really wish you were encouraged to do that more, i just hate doing it because it screws with the rpg side so much, especially in p5 where you get more rewards besides fusion xp for progressing links

[hollow trail]

i failed on purpose

socials in metaphor is 100% gameplay-driven i feel

since they removed half the reason i'd care about a character

[potent fog]

oh i havent been following any of the news on metaphor lol, i want to try to go in as blind as possible

[hollow trail]

i should've done that

i lose hype with every new thing i see

[potent fog]

it's also why i love Catherine so much, not only is the puzzle game part really fun if super frustrating sometimes, but the social sim stuff is a totally seperate system that you can answer how you like without punishing you in the other half of the game

also the story is just really good lol

i was coping so hard that they kept Vincent's cameo from p3p in reload but i knew it was never gonna happen haha

not that it really makes sense lorewise though for so many reasons

[dreamy orchid]

give me reason to spend 10+ extra days with yukiko

[native garden]

I used that site on console but only for the correct choices. You could’ve gone for the 2 steam guides where 1 of them is for getting all of the achievements and the other is for just having a schedule to max out all social links by the end of the game

[native garden]

|| https://youtu.be/vHOOTTqUNAQ?si=OrYd03vWkHiECF6P|| I feel bad for Koro

[potent fog]

is holy arrow for the lovers scripted to always crit? ive been trying this boss a few times now and it has literally never missed or not crit once

[native garden]

It always crit

100% accuracy and 100% crit rate

It can’t knock you down if you guard tho but you have to predict it ahead of time

[potent fog]

yeah figured that out eventually, just wanted to check and make sure thats the only way to deal with it

[native garden]

I did share a video of doing that fight and it’s a really long one for how really safe you have to play that fight

Really…really…safe

[potent fog]

no hp and sp refill after a tough boss right before it is super brutal too, i barely have any left on mc and yukari and with how shit sp refill items are in mq (let alone not really having many left over from tartarus stuff) it's making this even more tough

[native garden]

Yea, I just stock pilled on a bunch of SP healing items mainly the vending machines drinks to get most or all of my sp back

[dreamy orchid]

just don't have protag get hit

[dreamy orchid]

where did all your sp go lol

[potent fog]

ive tried but 2 sp a pop is nothing pretty much as soon as youre out of thebel. not to mention i forget to buy them a lot or just dont have the spare cash with all the other stuff i gotta buy haha

[potent fog]

the boss right before it? wym

[dreamy orchid]

i had like full sp after hierophant

were you using magic on protag

[potent fog]

i mean sometimes but mostly just heals or debuffs

it adds up haha

[dreamy orchid]

ah i just had yukari heal

with her passive thingy

that like halves the cost

[potent fog]

oh she doesnt have that yet for me lol

i havent done any of the side activites since im trying to max all social links and dont have any time rn

[dreamy orchid]

but no social links are at night...

[native garden]

You don’t really need that passive for the hierophant and lover scenario anyways

[dreamy orchid]

no wonder you struggled on the boss then lol

[potent fog]

i mean i have done a few tanaka ranks but there's also just grinding your social stats

[dreamy orchid]

crit amp junpei carries fr

the activities give social stats

[potent fog]

you need max courage by like the second month to even start fuuka link

[dreamy orchid]

social stats rank up fast enough in reload you don't need to worry about it

are you following a guide lol

[potent fog]

yeah

[dreamy orchid]

your time management will be worse with a guide in this game lol trust me

especially when you're playing a challenge mod that kind of requires different aims

[potent fog]

i mean i trusted myself to more or less go guideless in my first playthrough and even without a challenge mod i missed out on maxing them all

[dreamy orchid]

like you want hanged man maxxed kinda early so you can get matarukaja

[potent fog]

i am so terrible at time management and even just remembering simple shit i was thinking about five seconds ago

i had to write down the priestess boss attack patterns and summons weaknesses in steam notes because id literally forget mid fight

[dreamy orchid]

as long as you mostly focus on school SLs and don't flub dialogue answers i feel like there's zero way for you to fail

especially cus late game you get the dating site url too

[potent fog]

you're probably right but i dont want to risk an 80 something hour playthrough and not get them all done a second time in a row, especially if it's down to the wire like my first try

[native garden]

Achusally It’s a relationship improvement url not a dating site url*

[potent fog]

not to mention spending even more time redoing shit ive already done

[dreamy orchid]

well like just make sure to actually get the dorm activities done lol

you'll want at least junpei and aki's ones

[native garden]

You can use a schedule guide like in my playthrough but, it might be a good idea to just any% it and prioritize certain SLs over others at the possible risk of missing out on other SLs.

[potent fog]

im definitely going to try but i feel like doing them so quickly might have been my downfall last time, because i remember it took way too long for me to hit the stat requirements for multiple links which probably was what killed it

[dreamy orchid]

guide is just kind of an L imo but like if you wanna use it then that's up to you

[potent fog]

like i needed the social stats higher earlier so i dont want to risk that again

[dreamy orchid]

i did all the ones that matter immediately and i had maxxed social stats really early

you just gotta know which ones are worth and which ones you can skip (mitsuru, koro, etc.)

[potent fog]

i forgot what those ones even do haha

isnt it improved ailment rates for mitsu

[dreamy orchid]

mitsuru's makes ailments raise crit rate even higher while she's in the party

[potent fog]

oh thats

uh

[dreamy orchid]

which is useless cus ailments are basically already guaranteed crits

[native garden]

nooo, don’t skip doggo

[potent fog]

dont like most of the ailments already help with crits

[native garden]

Kinda

You can get unlucky with getting critical hits at times

[dreamy orchid]

they do but mitsuru's thing adds an extra +15% onto the end total

missing crits is a skill issue though, not a luck one

this is a real time action game

[native garden]

[native garden]

1 v 1 me in Melee, Fox and final destination only

[dreamy orchid]

but yeah the problem with mitsuru's one is that it only comes into effect when ailments are applied (not that often!) and also most ailments already give a massive crit bonus to begin with

the bonus is also like the same as revolution's lol

[potent fog]

oh yeah my team might also kinda be bad, i brought junpei and aki because i thought mitsuru didnt really have many useful skills for a boss fight yet, but aki has kinda been dead weight outside of an extra dia and tarunda applier

[dreamy orchid]

aki sucks for that fight

worst damage and utility out of the available options

[potent fog]

yeah i see that now, i didnt look up resistances beforehand so i didnt know it resists elec

[dreamy orchid]

especially if you don't have buff boost/amp

[native garden]

I would say Aki is pretty decent for Hierophant and Lovers scenario. I would prefer to bring him over Mitsuru bc she’s weak to fire…and lovers use fire skills

[dreamy orchid]

well even if it doesn't resist elec, he has lower ma than mitsuru and freeze is much more beneficial than shock in this case (i don't even think hiero and lovers are vulnerable to shock)

[potent fog]

nah it can get shocked

[dreamy orchid]

just tank or don't get hit

[potent fog]

only had it happen once though and in an already fucked run

[dreamy orchid]

krill issue if you can't imo

[native garden]

Nah, I’ll just guard the ||concentrated agidyne||

[dreamy orchid]

mitsuru's positives there far outweigh the negatives

so i'd rather have her actually do work instead of babysitting tarunda bot boy

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-shookt-shocked-gif-5580082

[dreamy orchid]

you can just recarm if that happens

personally, it never did that for me

it did concentate into heartbreak

guess i'm just too cool for school

[native garden]

And what if I don’t have recarm or I’m too stingy on sp to use it?

[dreamy orchid]

then you're playing wrong

😈

both yukari and protag should have it by then even

[potent fog]

oh yeah i only have recarm on protag so that's another reason why i have no sp lol

[dreamy orchid]

tbf

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[dreamy orchid]

party members really should not be dying against hierophant

it doesn't rly do much damage at all and you can just me patra away the fear

[potent fog]

i got wailed a few times and only have single target patra

[dreamy orchid]

or mc patra + yukari patra if you're on direct commands and don't have me patra

idk if you're not playing with tactics i feel like it'd be really easy to manage

especially cus ailment cure items aren't banned

[native garden]

There is a persona known as Leannahe Sidhe can’t bother to spell it correctly that knows me Patra in its kit or in a few level ups iirc

[potent fog]

probably, like i said i might just reload my save and try to do heiro better because i probably fucked that up a lot but managed to not fully die haha

[dreamy orchid]

its now in base kit cus i brought up how you can't get priestess sl by then

[dreamy orchid]

i'd reload and bring mitsuru over aki too

[potent fog]

yeah that's the plan, gonna try and see out my current attempt and then reloading

[dreamy orchid]

try get me patra if you can, if not just buy some patra items from pharmacy

[native garden]

Dis fear and dis charm but yea

[dreamy orchid]

leanan sidhe has it

[dreamy orchid]

i forgot cus i never use items 😈

[potent fog]

oh yeah are crit rates against bosses silently resisted? i was critting fairly often against enemies in my last tartarus trip on properly leveled floors but i've barely landed any in these fights

[dreamy orchid]

they're not for the most part, but bosses have higher stats and thus higher lu

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/triple-h-the-rock-just-bring-it-wwe-raw-gif-16466478

[potent fog]

oh is that how it works

[dreamy orchid]

lovers especially has a massively inflated lu stat of like 60

[potent fog]

i thought luck just boosted crit instead of helping resist offensive ones too

[dreamy orchid]

if you have crit amp on junpei and/or use revolution you'll still crit often af though

i mean honestly

if you don't have crit amp you could get away with benching junpei for here

aki will be worse damage but if you need the tarunda and extra dia user then its an option

[potent fog]

imagine if the game explained what any of its stats did in any amount of useful detail, that is also one of my massive pet peeves. i dont even need the numbers, but the fact that they dont even really tell you what the persona stats even affect directly is so annoying

[dreamy orchid]

i do recommend at least bringing mitsuru tho

[potent fog]

like strength and magic are fairly intuitive but everything else is a mess

and even magic doesn't necessarily end up being simple

[dreamy orchid]

average person doesn't know that ag effects turn order in this game lol

[potent fog]

like doesn't it affect healing spells or did i just gaslight myself into thinking that because the game never clarified

[native garden]

And MQ is not for the average joe/joey/nancy/karen/

[dreamy orchid]

also the fact that theurgia scales on both offensive stats rather than just the one it should intuitively use, magic theurgias still require str maxxed for the most damage and vice versa

[dreamy orchid]

healing skills scale with magic, yes

imo that's pretty intuitive

[native garden]

99 heal divine grace media my beloved

[potent fog]

yeah my issue is just that i never knew for sure or if it was just placebo

since iirc the game never directly tells you that is the case

[dreamy orchid]

its a lot more noticable in reload compared to in og

cus the formula is different

[potent fog]

that's fair, guess it varies game to game how transparent they make any given system too

[dreamy orchid]

also like how some skill descriptions actively lie to you

[hollow trail]

you should have some precious eggs before lovers

[native garden]

I just wish for a MQ version of useful descriptions but that’s like asking for half life 3 at this rate

[dreamy orchid]

divine grace saying it doubles healing effects in the skill card menu despite being 50% 🔥

[hollow trail]

[dreamy orchid]

i had to manually test that one cus the game gaslit me

[potent fog]

what do those do? i dont remember having any

[hollow trail]

50% max sp restore

[dreamy orchid]

+400sp typically

[potent fog]

i might have used them already to clear tartarus blocks if they're a guarenteed spawn from a chest or something

[dreamy orchid]

were they made 100% sp refill in reload

and so in mq they're 50%

oh nevermind i'm gaslighting

was always max restore

[hollow trail]

master quest cuts all restores by 50%

[dreamy orchid]

what am i thinking of that was +400

came to me in a vision i guess

[hollow trail]

buff amp kamimusubi water

[potent fog]

wait does buff amp buff fucking items

[dreamy orchid]

no

we just have an in joke about buff amp making everything op to make fun of aki glazers

[potent fog]

ah ok haha

[dreamy orchid]

he's actually worth using in MQ though 😈

if anything a bit too good

[potent fog]

so ive heard, but like i said hes still not very beefy yet since im fairly early game

[dreamy orchid]

oh early game his damage is ass especially before buff amp

he'll take til like level 35 to become good

[native garden]

Aki (like any other character in the game) will get better the more you level him up in Master Quest

[native garden]

I wish Master Quest fixed an over sight like that

[dreamy orchid]

i mean

useful descriptions by yours truly does!!

speaking of i've gotta push an update for that

i've got all the files there i just haven't bothered recompiling them

[native garden]

Yea…except it’s for V A N I L L A. Not for Master Quest

https://tenor.com/view/garth-marenghi-darkplace-temp-screaming-gif-23062350

[native garden]

What would the update fix? Some text formatting like when Shinjiro use Bloody charge?

[dreamy orchid]

formatting for bloody charge and also me forgetting to round up numbers lmao

[native garden]

Ohhh

Remind me to update useful descriptions when that come out

[potent fog]

is there literally any use case, vanilla or mq, for raging tiger? i cant think of any skills that give yourself rage and even outside of the risks of taking double damage and the accuracy decreased, only a few enemies apply it and usually have their kits built around exploiting it

like reflecting phys

[native garden]

Raging tiger is part of my long list of useless passives so no

Right next to anti wind master

[potent fog]

wow i literally didnt know those anti master skills existed haha

[native garden]

They appear later in the game and they are ass

[dreamy orchid]

raging tiger is actually extremely overpowered in the old versions, but in p3r weapons are kinda useless and there is also no theoretical gimmick way to self-inflict rage on a major boss, so its kind of just not really useful anymore

[potent fog]

man i really wish there was a way to quickly just restart a battle or die haha, went back to redo the hiero with mitsuru and managed to use a way more reasonable amount of sp but then forgor that the lovers opens with arrow and yukari instantly ate shit

i just put on rush and let my team kill themselves but it still takes forever and doesnt speed up the enemy attacks like the party members

[native garden]

I just wish MQ comes with a save anywhere add on where I could just save right in front of the boss door of lovers

[potent fog]

at least it lets you retry bosses without having to load saves, no tartarus backups are so painful

[native garden]

It would be arguably unnecessary but it may have cases where you have 2 back to back fights in a scenario where you can’t save

[potent fog]

vanilla hard spoiled me haha

[dreamy orchid]

tbf you can just retry infinitely

[hollow trail]

i should post this in #persona-chat

[dreamy orchid]

perhaps

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[potent fog]

beat lovers, yeah that was so much easier with mitsu instead of aki lol

took two tries minus my first turn throw

plus the cleaner hiero kill without so much wasted sp

[native garden]

Impressive. Now later you will have access to a new block in Tartarus and a new party member as well

[hollow trail]

@dreamy orchid @iron pilot how do u think they will react when they see all the crazy buffed shit memento mori has in lategame

[iron pilot]

I'm not fond of its approach tbh

[dreamy orchid]

i don't really know much of what memento mori changes

well i looked at the skill and party changes

but not really the enemy ones

[hollow trail]

im also not sure how they're doing this little damage

30 on weakness hit

like wtf lol?

its also placebo because i didn't change those values specifically

@dreamy orchid

[dreamy orchid]

i mean

you lowered all player damage by like 10%

but the skills themselves are untouched

[hollow trail]

10% is nothing

[dreamy orchid]

true but thats probs where the placebo is coming from

[hollow trail]

it's not "fights literally take twice as long!!!"

[dreamy orchid]

in my experience you still did more than enough to one hit most things with aoa

[hollow trail]

I'm really pissed at "MM is actual difficulty for the sake of being difficult and MQ is dragging fights out"

actual skill issue

[dreamy orchid]

isn't MM technically more artificial right now due to most of it being damage modifiers rather than AI changes currently

I know the creator is implementing AI changes now though but MQ definitely does that a lot more as it stands

[hollow trail]

MM is mostly modifiers and afaik some even make the game easier

later on

[dreamy orchid]

tetrakarn !

[hollow trail]

It's way better now but older versions of MM were literally just "have all buffs up at all time or get one shot"

[dreamy orchid]

op

[hollow trail]

the comments really do read like

"can win: good"

"can't win: artificial difficulty"

90% of mq feedback is this

its really hard to work with lol

[dreamy orchid]

would probably recommend mostly listening to criticism from people who at the very least made it halfway through lmao

[hollow trail]

actually reading the comments they're like 80% negative

ngl

[dreamy orchid]

cus most reviews seem to be guys who got filtered by priestess

[hollow trail]

the problem is people really only comment when they have negative shit to say in mods like this ig

[dreamy orchid]

true

most people who like it are just playing it

but guys who didn't like it will uninstall and make you feel bad about it lmao

[hollow trail]

gb stats for reloaded games are all fucked so i have no idea how many people are actually playing it

[dreamy orchid]

at least 5

[hollow trail]

🥴

[dreamy orchid]

i mean

brilliant playtester jet did actually finish the mod

i think he's the only person who speaks in this chat to have done so

[hollow trail]

jet clearing the mod is like

proof anyone that gets filtered is pure skill issue

jet made so many weird decisions and still won

[dreamy orchid]

he's goated

[hollow trail]

honestly im fully convinced you can orpheus only solo master quest

[dreamy orchid]

but yeah i think people are just getting scared because the early game is much harder

[iron pilot]

I don't think you can

[hollow trail]

didn't Ziro do it

they said MQ was easy as fuck

[dreamy orchid]

im pretty sure chariot/justice would roadblock you

[iron pilot]

You killed off how to do it for Chariot/Justice

[dreamy orchid]

cus you wouldn't do enough dps

[iron pilot]

Pretty sure

[dreamy orchid]

yeah

[hollow trail]

ah

[dreamy orchid]

the regen would make it near impossible cus you need theurgia to damage it

[iron pilot]

The way he did it in Vanilla is don't separate them like I did on first playthrough

But with Orpheus and just Garula

Lol

[hollow trail]

i need to test the new theurgia

i think some guardians you can scarlet havoc every turn

by doing shift over and over

[dreamy orchid]

armageddon twice in one turn

[hollow trail]

i have a video of that

[dreamy orchid]

yeah ik lol

[hollow trail]

on the ringo boss

i finished the boss btw

just doesnt have models

[dreamy orchid]

fraudgo

[hollow trail]

i could post it here

it replaces the monad mushas

its in master quest's package rn but i'm only adding it to the mod if I can create a standalone encounter

i'm probably putting it in episode aigis

not journey

[iron pilot]

Wouldn't it be better separate?

Like

[hollow trail]

yes and no

i designed it around MQ's balance

[iron pilot]

It'll replace the boss mushas on monad and stuff

[hollow trail]

yeah i want it to not do that

[dreamy orchid]

replace jonker persona 5

[hollow trail]

⚠️ Experimental Release (Will not be in 2.0 unless a better solution can be found)

• Adds battle against Soul Hackers 2 Party Ringo, Arrow, Milady and Saizo (No models implemented)
• Replaces Adamah Monad Passage Mushas (Call encounter 882 in Mod Menu to test)
• Turn order currently behaves like a regular guardian fight
• Ringo has access to Sabbath (Megido line skills scaling with how many 1 mores were gained by the enemy party)
• Ringo will use "Sabbath Optimization" and "Overclock" on a cooldown
• Ringo has a 5% chance to proc Recursive Processing
• Milady will use "Mercy Kill" if an enemy is at 10% HP
• Arrow and Saizo have attacks and support skills
• Milady specializes in Fear ailment strats

[iron pilot]

Yeah replace Jonkler

[hollow trail]

i would but i also cant

Jonker will be hardcoded to use personas

ringo does not use personas

[iron pilot]

The Jonkler

Genuinely hoping it isn't just him though tbh

[hollow trail]

hold up

let me also make mitsuru's theurgy phys aoe while im at it

[iron pilot]

Overcock

[hollow trail]

overcocking the fuck out

what should the crit rate for this be @dreamy orchid @iron pilot

the phys theurgies are 1%

should i make this 1% too

it already aoe debilitates so thats good

[iron pilot]

It's actually phys or phys almighty?

[hollow trail]

phys almight

[iron pilot]

If it's latter then get it to be a bit higher because it can't be boosted

At all

Since it's on Mitsuru

[hollow trail]

revolution?

[iron pilot]

I guess so

Around 15% isn't a bad idea

[hollow trail]

i was thinking 20 but 15 is better

[iron pilot]

What's its base

[hollow trail]

350

[iron pilot]

Ok that's pretty strong actually

[hollow trail]

blaze is 400

[iron pilot]

And crit's 1.5x

[hollow trail]

but blaze can be amped

this cant

right?

[iron pilot]

Yeah there's no almighty boost or anything for her

Oh yeah I noticed

[hollow trail]

could make almighty boost rapier

[iron pilot]

It's AoE but

Uh

Why does it still have that total thingy

I thought AoE theurgia doesn't have those

[hollow trail]

it doesnt, but the skill animation is programmed without actually caring what the skill does

[iron pilot]

Huh

[hollow trail]

thats why memento mori glitches the fuck out

[iron pilot]

F

[hollow trail]

when its nulled

speaking of that

what do you think about theurgia not piercing

i personally dont like it

[iron pilot]

Me neither, besides

There's theurgia that needs breaks for utility in some cases

Thinking of it, it'll also make hitting some enemies not that usable at all like chariot/justice

There's some layer of strategy to that though I guess

[native garden]

me a playtester? I didnt even test the 1.0 versions

[iron pilot]

The pierce is a problem if it's all one shots and stuff but if it's rare as hell nowadays (because of the charge rate changes) and it's only powerful with setup, I don't see why keeping the pierce effect is a bad thing

[hollow trail]

charge rate i think is faster for protagonist now

in guardians and non-boss

because it's 12% on shift

[iron pilot]

I mean

If you want you can apply it to only protag or somethin'

If you really think it's that bad

But I doubt it though

I don't think it'd be the most consistent thing ever

[hollow trail]

i dont think its that bad

actually

buff/start of turn stuff applies when shifted too

so yeah nvm

[iron pilot]

Wdym

Didn't you remove that except Ken and Shinjiro

[hollow trail]

yes thats what im saying

its not faster because you could spam shifts to a buffed protag and get a bunch of charge that way

before the change

[iron pilot]

Sorry man she's not him

[hollow trail]

let her dream

oh whoops

wrong file for the skill name

[iron pilot]

F

[hollow trail]

quick fix

[native garden]

damnit I just downloaded that file

[hollow trail]

im uploading rn

fixdt

• Fixed God's Hand's description. (Massive -> Severe)
• Changed Mitsuru's "Blade of Execution" Theurgy to "Recalcitrant Execution": Massive Physical Almighty damage to all foes, decreasing all their stats. Medium chance of critical.

[native garden]

alright just downloaded the fized file

[hollow trail]

do ailment boost and freeze boost stack

[iron pilot]

Yeah

[hollow trail]

trol

[iron pilot]

Real

[native garden]

|| https://youtu.be/w2gRcyHG0HY?si=V2jpDz9au34yOgAR|| The Knights in not so shining armor

[hollow trail]

you probably know this now but matarunda could've been skipped

since you did karn strat

rakunda while letting them have the attack buff up would reflect even more

[native garden]

I did a similar strat for a later guardian fight iirc, at the time of recording; i was more concerned about covering weaknesses

small oversight on my part

[dreamy orchid]

oh yeah @hollow trail one thing i kind of realised earlier

the new theurgia changes might make chariot/justice near impossible on tactics

since they'll never use persona skills against the boss due to its resistances and akihiko/mitsuru cannot reapply debuffs to gain charge

so yukari is like the only character who could realistically build theurgia, but the boss could also just kill her and reset that

[hollow trail]

i can make theurgy charge on enemy turn actually lol

like specifically in that fight, make tank form actions charge trg

[dreamy orchid]

ah

[native garden]

||https://youtu.be/9iPz8kuFI2Y|| Testing out the custom boss in this mod that may not get to the final build

[hollow trail]

protip cancelling aoas in this fight is the perfect opportunity to switch to your main phys dude and scarlet havoc

1.2x down bonus

[native garden]

I think I started realizing that later into the fight since AoA dealt literal chip damage

[dreamy orchid]

all out attack is always bad, it is never good

[hollow trail]

me when i lie

[dreamy orchid]

nah it sucks after early game

especially in boss fights

[hollow trail]

me when i lie

unless you mean MQ

people are way too disingenuous about calling things bad or "mid" even if they one shot most things

it's super annoying

[potent fog]

aoa has been fine for me so far, especially with priestess arcana in tartarus. obviously it's sometimes better to do other stuff but if you just need pure damage it's been slightly better than just a basic attack or spell and doesn't cost any sp. i assume it'll get worse as enemies get tougher though

ive also had a pretty great amount of luck landing dizzy with aoa, definitely a gamble and unreliable but it's been working for me so far at least with mobs haha

[hollow trail]

it scales

it's based on weapon power

if your weapons are shit then yeah ofc the aoa will also be shit

you'll have weaker weapons sometimes because of the passives they have, so it's your choice what to have equipped

you want weapons for the effects mostly not the power

[potent fog]

yeah that's what ive mostly been doing for my persona game playthroughs, plus outside of early game you really don't have many points where you're relying on pure weapon attacks unless you're saving sp on enemies that are already easy

[native garden]

Small correction, the call encounter is actually 0882 in the mod menu. Because encounter IDs (seemingly) has 4 digits, not 3

[dreamy orchid]

i mean its even weaker in MQ but in base game its also not good

like you can get the job done with it but you can do so with anything. There's just rarely a scenario where its even close to being the optimal move besides maybe random encounters

You'll basically always far outdamage it after like the first block

[hollow trail]

This correction is worthless

inserting 3 digits then closing the menu will automatically make the first digit a zero

[west swift]

I guess the thing is, it's not the best option, but if it one shots the enemies anyways, it's good enough. which isn't always the case but often is

it's a move that costs nothing (unless you want to count fishing for weaknesses/crit as costing something), does guaranteed AOE damage, and can inflict dizzy

[celest kindle]

AOA's usually as good as the weapons you're using so if you don't have the mindset of using weapons for passives AOAs always do pretty sweet damage

[west swift]

looking at it from a random battle perspective though mainly, because with boss battles you don't often get the chance to do AOAs anyways

[celest kindle]

I could legit one-shot every encounter with an AOA at a point in Vanilla

Gotta say it would be good if certain weapons with good passives didn't get outdated damage-wise though to make AOA have good damage

They've got a whole special animation and everything and the game has a whole tutorial dedicated to it so it's obviously something they'd want you using

But then to get good AOA you have to get weapons that aren't outdated with the trade-off that now you don't get as many useful passives

[native garden]

I would say all out attacks becomes obsolete really early in the game in this mod. Like I would say after the block of tartarus but thats just me

[celest kindle]

They didn't feel obsolete but i inherently relied on them less in MQ due to it not really being a guaranteed kill

I'd usually go for it on tougher bosses or as a finisher

[iron pilot]

AoAs have never been relevant in Persona if you're talking meta stuffs

[celest kindle]

Since meta-wise you go for the equipment with the best passives right?

[iron pilot]

...no

It's just bad

You only take it for the bonuses you get

Usually guaranteed shuffle time

Or if you know it will definitely kill

[dreamy orchid]

the damage is not competitive even with good weapons

[hollow trail]

competitive 🤓

me when i oneshot the enemy for free on autopilot instead of using resources to excessively overkill by several hundred HP (it's mid)

[iron pilot]

If you want to get them out of down state you take it sometimes

But that can backfire nowadays

[hollow trail]

20% chance

[iron pilot]

Because AoAs have dizzy chance

Which is

Bullshit

If you ask me

[hollow trail]

i dont mind too much

[iron pilot]

I believe it's relevant for the first guardian, actually

[hollow trail]

yeah its good there

[dreamy orchid]

i think you're being facetious considering the discussion initially started about a late game boss in your difficulty mod 😭

like by the time you get out of the first two blocks you really shouldn't be considering all out attack in most boss fights

[hollow trail]

yeah there it's ass, but i'm talking in general, it's especially egregious in SMTV and P3R discussion where you have things that are weaker but effortless and braindead win buttons, and you'll have self-fellating smartasses saying it's "mid" because their finetuned fusion does 400% more damage

[dreamy orchid]

i mean like

there's a spectrum to it i'd say

[iron pilot]

My level 40 Jack Frost beats Shiva

No diff

[dreamy orchid]

if someone considers the lovers boss in p3r to have been hard or take long they 100% just had a mid build

[hollow trail]

my favorite is "murakumo is mid" (it killed the final boss in 1 turn)

[dreamy orchid]

but in general most stuff works

[hollow trail]

like yes murakumo is not the best

but "mid" is just self-fellating

[iron pilot]

Soz man but

[hollow trail]

no doors

[iron pilot]

Hearing the protag say Ikuyumi-O 68 times is funny

[dreamy orchid]

well i feel like its all relative really

[iron pilot]

Ergo Heavenly Ikuyumi is better

[hollow trail]

if something oneshots the story's finale, it is by definition not mid

ikuyumi is better yes

it's not mid and good

[dreamy orchid]

is it really 68 times

[hollow trail]

it's good and better

[dreamy orchid]

that's so cool

[hollow trail]

yeah

[iron pilot]

Yeah I managed to make it pop off 68 times

Lmfaooo

[dreamy orchid]

the traits that generate extra press turns seem crazy

[iron pilot]

Paraselene Blur is kinda bullshit too

That thing can have 900 base damage if you really try

[hollow trail]

jesus fucking christ i have like 200gb of sh2 footage

and im only 8 hours in

[iron pilot]

Amateur

(hdd's half videos rn)

[hollow trail]

I'm trying out handbrake

it's pretty good

[iron pilot]

Try what

[hollow trail]

cut down a 1 hour 15gb video to only 4

cant even notice quality drop

[iron pilot]

What that

[hollow trail]

https://handbrake.fr/

[iron pilot]

Interesting

[hollow trail]

you can use it to make videos way smaller but still keep most quality

like i said

i got a ultrawide 1 hour long 15GB video

made it 4GB

and thats without crop

im doing the video again in 16:9 to see if it saves me enough space that it's worth cropping

probably is

i wouldn't upload anything in 21:9

zamn

[iron pilot]

Do you want to see murakumo get spammed (it has 87% crit rate)

[celest kindle]

Great thing about Handbrake is that it's pretty easy to use

and you can even get stuff to discord-friendly sizes too

[native garden]

Damn, I should use that

[hollow trail]

i like how there's a mode that forces 25MB size no matter what

so the longer it is the more fucked it gets

[celest kindle]

Well they don't force per-se

They just get really close to it usually

unless you turned on something to force it

[hollow trail]

yes

it's a preset

25MB mode

[celest kindle]

Where is that?

I got the 25MB presets but not something to specifically go for 25MB with no exceptions

[hollow trail]

i was under the impression that preset would dynamically calculate which bitrate to aim for based on video length to match 25mb

[celest kindle]

If the video's too big sometimes it doesn't quite reach it which is expected

I think Dniwe talked about a handbrake fork that targets specific filesizes though iirc

[hollow trail]

do u want me to try it on 1 hour of soul hackers 2 footage

[celest kindle]

go for it

[hollow trail]

LOL

maybe in 2 hours

im processing one rn as a test

i need several 100s of GB because im recording every single bit of my sh2 playthrough

which is a ton of bloat

[celest kindle]

ouch

It's good to give videos a run through handbrake depending on what quality you record

Does make it a little lower quality but it's better to share and it does knock the time to upload down a little

[hollow trail]

i literally can't notice a drop

but

these are compressed before edit

which means the full edited video will definitely have drop

i was recording in absurd quality

still am

1 hour 15GB, handbrake cutting it down to 4 is very nice

makes a full playthrough 300/400 GB which is a lot more manageable

[native garden]

|| https://youtu.be/snmCcix_2k4?si=jm-yZBHEDs-dFJKZ|| A challenge idea I was thinking about sometime after I beat the mod on v1.08. Decided to do it on the beta patch instead of the public v1.08 build

[iron pilot]

It's kinda simple to do that, actually

Why tf is it an hour long though

[potent fog]

do enemies have actual sp pools in this (or in vanilla for that matter) or can they just cast spells infinitely? i always thought an alt wincon style of play centered around sp drain was a cool idea (and from what i can remember that's only really been viable in smt nocturne with daisoujou), but sp drain is just kinda bad if you only gain sp without affecting the enemies' ability to do their moves. i did get some use out of it for tartarus exploration and grinding in vanilla but it was off my mitsuru and MC pretty soon once i got more consistent sp restore items

[celest kindle]

They have SP Pools yes

[hollow trail]

Normal enemies have a pool, it's really tiny in Thebel but large enough in the rest of the game that you'll likely never see it happen

Bosses are hardcoded to have infinite SP

[celest kindle]

You see it when you analyze em

I have had my share of fun draining all the SP from enemies and seeing them repeatedly fail to use magic

[hollow trail]

it's funny

[potent fog]

pretty much expected that, oh well

[hollow trail]

being able to drain bosses in persona would utterly destroy the game

[potent fog]

plus it'd probably be way too easy if enemies had to pay hp for phys skills to match the player lol

[hollow trail]

yeah hp skills are free for enemies

[celest kindle]

They can drain each other's hp though as you may know

Some Mayas like doing that

[potent fog]

yeah i feel like there might be some clever way to work around it making things too easy, but i sure have no idea what that would be lmao. like if you make it too easy to do that, it becomes the most efficient way to kill stuff and invalidates everything else, but if you make it take forever then its just boring and unfun

[hollow trail]

after the answer releases I'm gonna give a shot at matching fes to reload

Play both games at once and try to hit parity somewhat while keeping reload's stuff

[potent fog]

same thing with ailments, i wish they got to be a more integral part of the combat system but they're almost all basically a free win or massive damage if you land them, so having important bosses not null most or all of them is kind of mandatory

[hollow trail]

Thing is, and this is a very hard pill to swallow for some

Reload is actually designed as a harder game than FES

it's just everything else that doesn't support this

[potent fog]

yeah that makes sense, full party control and all that. i think the downfall really is just the uncapped xp and how damn much you get for tripping over a shadow

[hollow trail]

Like, if you copypasted Reload's AI and stats to FES, the game would be insanely harder

[potent fog]

like the rest isn't perfect but i think my main issue really was just overleveling without even trying

[celest kindle]

I honestly don't mind them being a no-go for the Full-Moon Bosses since they are meant to be the real tough guys

Though it is sad it bones Mitsuru

Tartarus Guardians tend to not null Ailments in some cases though so it's not all bad

[hollow trail]

The one thing I guess where Reload is designed as an easier game is that the game actually fakes close calls to give the player a dopamine rush

They'll avoid hitting the protagonist or hitting party members that are low HP so you feel like you got lucky a lot

[potent fog]

yeah i agree with ailments as they are currently, the reliable ones to land (except for distress ig) are way too strong for major bosses to get

i guess it's not so bad, they are still super helpful for mobs and minor bosses

[celest kindle]

Distress is usually the one I'd see be more usable actually

It's the incapacitating ones that weren't as usable

[potent fog]

but at the same time all the good ones just make the bosses literal sandbags which isn't super engaging lol

[celest kindle]

Rage and All

[celest kindle]

Yeah

The only way you'd be able to account for them would be a standard turn limit for the ailments

[potent fog]

i think more varied effects that don't just completely deny turns would do a lot of good. like you can still have one or two that keep you from acting but make those the inconsistent ones and have less OP aliments that either are smaller debuffs or small bonuses when attacking

[celest kindle]

I don't think they have any atm at least...

I've had shadows be confused for an insane amount of turns

[celest kindle]

Hmm fair

[potent fog]

like charm and confuse are almost exactly the same, just one gives you items and the other gives in fight buffs/heals

[celest kindle]

You could make Rage not incapacitate them

[potent fog]

same with ice and elec, a high crit chance or guarenteed crit chance

[celest kindle]

Just keep the effect but have the buff + debuff

[hollow trail]

ice and elec is actually a justified difference

ice is guaranteed (one)

elec is high chance (does not remove effect)

[potent fog]

that is true

im honestly shocked that it took them until p5 to give fire a burn effect, now we just need to think of something for wind and all the spells can be on equal footing

[hollow trail]

that's kinda also on purpose... lol

[potent fog]

like why are two of the magic lines just objectively better outside of a bit more sp cost

[hollow trail]

Fire/Wind (Low cost, no effect)

Ice/Elec (High cost, ailment)

Light/Dark (High cost, high damage)

[potent fog]

i get that it seems to have been intentional but i never really felt the non-status effect ones were that much cheaper than the others

[hollow trail]

it stacks up a bit but yeah

[potent fog]

it probably does add up but not really in a way i could tell

i also still weep for my poor useless child ghastly wail, i will never get over it being so expensive and convoluted to set up for an insta that doesn't even work on anything bigger than random mobs. at least it's awesome in ultimax as adachi and liz's command grab supers

i think it's relatively easy to fix too, just make it work like those supers and have it do big damage to feared enemies instead of just an instakill. you'd probably have to tweak fear to be less good on its own though to allow it to be applied to at least minibosses

[hollow trail]

fear cant be applied on bosses because it makes them instakillable (duh) but also they can run away

which uh

would be awkward

[potent fog]

the boss just dips lol

honestly i dont even like fear for that exact reason, not only is the turn skip random but you lose out on the loot if they do run

[native garden]

|| https://youtu.be/Oz_wWCFxKdg?si=7xOZvHCFiYAvZn8L|| Snek

[potent fog]

are break skills worth a slot here? i never really got anything out of them in vanilla

[hollow trail]

Only really ice break I'd say

[potent fog]

to give mitsu more chances to shine in boss fights i assume? because yeah she doesn't have much else going on for her lol

at least her second theurgy is pretty nice

[hollow trail]

Yes, ice break lets you freeze ice null enemies

her second theurgy is considered one of the worst actually

[potent fog]

oh thats good too, didnt even consider that

fr? like i know some of the others are straight up OP but it didnt seem actively bad

and the free debuff is really good

[hollow trail]

it's bad because it can't be boosted in any way

everyone else can

the debilitate is an okay bonus but it doesn't justify a full theurgy charge

currently playing around with making it aoe but it glitches the total damage counter

[potent fog]

yeah that is fair, mitsu doesnt get any almighty boosting unless im forgetting about some gear

[hollow trail]

she doesn't

and magic ability doesn't boost almighty

[potent fog]

hell you have to pray to the rng gods to even get it on mc lmao

[hollow trail]

almighty theurgies are all terrible

except Jack Bros

and that one is only good because it's early game

it would be useless otherwise

[dreamy orchid]

armageddon

[hollow trail]

that shit's not even almighty that's just pure damage

[dreamy orchid]

it is almighty!

its just fixed almighty

[hollow trail]

i know it is

i don't care though

[dreamy orchid]

Raktapaksha my favourite almighty theurgia also...

[hollow trail]

just had a dumb idea

[dreamy orchid]

It'll be in episode aigis, trust

[hollow trail]

gonna give theurgy an sp cost and see what happens

[dreamy orchid]

hmm

[hollow trail]

fucking wiki is down

rip skillIDs

[dreamy orchid]

im pretty sure the guy who made memento mori tried that

[hollow trail]

oop its back

[dreamy orchid]

idk how to type his name

[hollow trail]

well i am not him

im just fucking around here

not trying anything concrete

[dreamy orchid]

i forget if it did anything or not

but yeah its worth trying

give theurgia hp cost 😈

[hollow trail]

it probably makes it castable if you cheat it in as a skill

lol...

[dreamy orchid]

cheat in the takaya one

[hollow trail]

that would crash

well

Actually you could probably use it against takaya himself

but anywhere else, crash

[hollow trail]

hehe

LOL

that is exactly what happens

theurgia is forced free

using it as a cheated skill fades the screen to black

does the theurgia sound, but no red shatter

then fades back as if you were using a normal skill

and softlocks

what if i remove theurgy flag

holy shit? @dreamy orchid

its gone

theurgy disabler

[dreamy orchid]

lmao

😈

[hollow trail]

whoa whoa whoa

removing the flag let me use scarlet havoc as a normal skill

like

[dreamy orchid]

theurgia deletion patch

[hollow trail]

it removed the animation entirely

it just does the thing

its a normal phys skill now

[dreamy orchid]

it does like shit damage because it no longer has the theurgia bonus right

[hollow trail]

it does shit damage because it's on a level 15 fortuna

but yes

its a normal phys skill

what happens if i make something else a theurgy

lmfao

it doesn't go into the theurgia menu that's for sure

but it scales like one

vorpal blading

wait

what

it used the theurgia gauge

it crashes if the gauge isn't full though

custom theurgy is in fact possible

[celest kindle]

Bring out the third theurgies

[hollow trail]

surely it's a table lol

[iron pilot]

It scales with regular damage formula right

So it sucks ass

[hollow trail]

If you make something a theurgy it depletes on use and uses theurgy formula

it just doesn't show on theurgy menu but it is one

and crashes if the bar isn't full

[iron pilot]

Nah I mean the scarlet havoc one

The opposite should be true, theurgia uses regular formula if turned into a regular skill

Right?

[hollow trail]

yeah its shit if you do that

well it ignores resistance

but you can disable that too

actually lmfao yeah i could make pierce skills

just cant make pierce buffs

sadly

[potent fog]

cleared the tank boss on my first few tries, this mod has really shown me how many bad habits ive developed in smt games because they let you get away with stupid shit lmao. i keep dying by trying to just spam attacks and kill the boss as fast as possible, but as soon as i slow down and properly buff, debuff and block when appropriate i clear within one or two tries assuming i havent screwed up item or persona management

[celest kindle]

It still does let you get away with some stuff every so often

I got through Lovers without proper blocking

Albeit at the cost of Aki iirc lmao

[potent fog]

yeah ive definitely gotten away with dumb stuff but its a lot less common and its usually still an issue in the long run (not getting xp from the boss, tartarus hp/sp management, etc)

[hollow trail]

props for noticing the errors and correcting

[native garden]

#Akiwasarealone

[celest kindle]

Unsure if he was since he only had Gigantic Fist and iirc both Lovers and Hiero resist Elec

[hollow trail]

yeah

aki gets resisted, mitsuru does more damage but is weak

that is the tradeoff

yukari is forced and junpei is obviously always with you

[iron pilot]

You just do some freeze strats duh

But seriously you do need to know their patterns to be successful

[native garden]

Just take it nice, slow and use guard

[hollow trail]

[hollow trail]

https://fxtwitter.com/osu_MeovvCAT/status/1831454015051461086

making this was fun

[iron pilot]

The reaction won't be

[hollow trail]

[iron pilot]

Idk that kinda smells like it'd bait people to say some demanding changes

[hollow trail]

that's fine

i can ignore the shit ones

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[hollow trail]

i posted that literally just to yoink the png

[iron pilot]

I do imagine they'd do it like FES again

Some skills have effects tied to them on the calendar still

[dreamy orchid]

what if getsu-ei is still in there and it just permanently has the bonus

but yeah in all likelihood it'll use a different set of skills

or maybe just have some skills be unaccessible

but then again, they're letting you transfer the base game compendium

so idk how they'd do that

unless they keep skills like getsu-ei and zan-ei but just give them different effects and stats?

[hollow trail]

god imagine they just

fucking

expand the table

and duplicate everything

8000 skill slots

[iron pilot]

Mfs will make a level 5 pixie with 69420 stats and all the main skills

[celest kindle]

Eh

I guess it is optimal but guarding a bunch's something I'm not too into doing

I could just not have the habit though i guess

[native garden]

It’s how I had to do it considering how I didn’t have a persona that knows recarm and Yukari reviving people would burn her sp so…guarding is a must for me

[native garden]

Or leave a lot of salt

[dreamy orchid]

this would be great for modders tbf

atlus secretly on our side?

[hollow trail]

no

it wouldn't

[dreamy orchid]

i mean, it'd let you do more custom skills...

[hollow trail]

you can expand it yourself if you want its just a button in unreal engine

lol

[celest kindle]

I mean neither did i but Yukari learned it after the Hiero and Aki learned Diarama from that so

[dreamy orchid]

no animations though

so the game softlocks!

[hollow trail]

yeah but them duplicating wouldn't really do you any good

you could add 4000 skills to the journey and then completely fuck the answer

or vice versa

[dreamy orchid]

sacrifice worth making 😈

[dreamy orchid]

recarm is like, 10sp if you got healing mastery

idk how you'd run out with her in a boss fight lol

[celest kindle]

I mean maybe not running out but you would burn through it a fair bit

[native garden]

Watch my video and you’ll find out

[hollow trail]

actually yeah

been meaning to say this for ages

you're in a feedback channel but instead of giving feedback, you periodically post video spam and "tease" the feedback

any questions? watch the video "when it releases"

[celest kindle]

I don't remember running out of SP usually

I've had times when i had low SP but never none in Full Moon Bosses

Shamefully however, i have run out when i didn't manage my SP properly in some fights

Mostly with Ken or Protag

Biggest roadblock i ran into during Hermit was Ken running out of SP for Mediarama

[native garden]

I just think a picture is worth a thousand words. And feedback can be gotten by watching how someone play. Rather than describe how I play. I think it would be better to just show it.

[celest kindle]

Got kinda stuck on it till i summoned the holy powers of Muscle Drink and kinda managed it all

[native garden]

Besides, I didn’t even bother grind for character traits until…prolly after chariot and Justice or hermit

[celest kindle]

Watching somebody play doesn't tell you much

If you just watch you just see somebody's actions in a way you can judge

It does not tell you their mindset besides some really basic assumptions

Yeah sure they can watch but that's not gonna tell you much lol

[hollow trail]

it's not a picture

it's several 30 minute videos dripfed over the course of several months

it's like watching a review over the course of a full year

[celest kindle]

Also idk why you wouldn't go for at least Yukari's trait since low cost heals helps you out early on

[hollow trail]

all your points get lost with time

[dreamy orchid]

honestly if i could i would've changed my routing for things like social links and characteristics a bit

[celest kindle]

And it takes like 3 hangouts lol

It's not that bad

I focused on it for a few days and i was done

[dreamy orchid]

Like, I ended up missing out on early matarukaja cus i didn't bother with Hanged Man this playthrough and I'd honestly recommend getting Buff Amp before Crit Amp just because Chariot/Justice was a harder boss than Hiero/Lovers and because I prioritised Junpei, I couldn't get Buff Amp in time for Chariot/Justice which is a fight Junpei is actively bad for while Akihiko is really good

[native garden]

Not bad for Any% since I’m not trying to focus on timing there

However for like an All SL playthrough, it’s kinda just…meh

[hollow trail]

junpei actively bad? you mean tactics wise

or is the elec aoe theurgia that good

[dreamy orchid]

Both

Tactics mainly though

[celest kindle]

I mean I wasn't going at it in a fuck it way and i didn't feel like it pushed me back a whole lot

[dreamy orchid]

Cus Junpei griefs with a genuinely outdated skill while Aigis (the other phys option) actually has good aoe with a theurgia that is much better for the fight too

[celest kindle]

I do have to finish some SLs though and I'm unsure if i can make it since I'm nearing 4/10

[native garden]

4/10?

Oh, 10/4

[dreamy orchid]

americans...

[native garden]

You can finish them after that scenario

[celest kindle]

Month first is an America thing

[native garden]

Feet > meters, anyways

You can just do the other SL later

[celest kindle]

Yeah but I don't know if my progress this far is good

[west swift]

that is also persona games in all regions show their dates tbf

[dreamy orchid]

the fourth of october

[west swift]

unless you have the mod sniwe made for p4g

[celest kindle]

I don't

[hollow trail]

sniwe

[native garden]

Considering how I can see a lot of people rage quit after the first main story boss, you’re doing just fine.

[west swift]

he will always be sniwe in my heart (he changed his name back a while ago 😔)

[celest kindle]

Battle-Wise and SL Wise's a pretty staggering difference

[dreamy orchid]

you only need the good social links

[celest kindle]

I think i can handle myself when it comes to the combat but, much like real life, i am terrible at planning

[dreamy orchid]

which is like

strength and chariot mainly

hanged man if you want matarukaja and don't use items

magician also decent

[celest kindle]

I think I finished Kazushi atp and Yuko's a Work in Progress

I got Kenji done too i think though so

ig that's fine too

[dreamy orchid]

like uh

don't worry about all social links cus like

[celest kindle]

I have to start tackling SEES gang soon i think

[dreamy orchid]

there are basically no good justice personas for example

[celest kindle]

I mean i hafta go for all SLs though

Missing those achievements lol

[dreamy orchid]

do all links if you want to but don't stress about missing them

[native garden]

you trying to get all achievements in MQ?

[celest kindle]

Yeah

[dreamy orchid]

i mean

i am

[celest kindle]

Getting the ones i didn't in Vanilla

At least

Which is just SL stuff i think

[dreamy orchid]

i missed out on like all of them cus a lot of checks are tied to the save file

[celest kindle]

And the Fragment one but that's finnicky

[native garden]

Then you could’ve just speed run the game on vanilla on like Normal or something

[dreamy orchid]

and i started the game on gamepass then switched to steam

[celest kindle]

That's lame

Plus i played the whole game on normal already anyway

[native garden]

It’s what I did on P4G

[celest kindle]

Would be boring to do that again

[celest kindle]

That's lame

[native garden]

It’s not lame. It’s based

[celest kindle]

Sorry sir but I'm afraid you are...

Cringe

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/lost-judgment-jin-kuwana-throwing-phone-gif-11976162558367887200

[native garden]

AnimatedSniwe I reckon? Or maybe that was someone else

[native garden]

am I the only one who gotten all of the achievements in vanilla without NG+?

[hollow trail]

i got all of them except the all SL max one

on purpose

[dreamy orchid]

i mean

i missed like all of the early game achievements cus gamepass

and i also missed the one for beating nyx and all social links cus i didn't actually finish january

having the achievement for messiah before the one for orpheus was very funny tho

[celest kindle]

I missed a bunch of them but i did fuse Messiah

And i did manage to get the achievement for starting all SLs

I just need to get the one for finishing all of them

[dreamy orchid]

that's an achievement?

[native garden]

I’ll admit on console I missed out on a good portion of achievements that is ONLY because I didn’t want to give myself spoilers. I wanted a super authentic blind playthrough

[native garden]

Fusing messiah? Yea

It’s called Savior iirc

[celest kindle]

Fusing Messiah and Starting all SLs yes

[native garden]

I think there’s 2 SL related ones. 1 for discovering all of them and the other for maxing out all of them

Yea, that one

[celest kindle]

Ah wait wrong pic

There

The Fusing Messiah one as well

[native garden]

Yep. That’s the one

[celest kindle]

Oh wait i forgot one

I have to beat the Reaper and i assume fuse Telos for Eagle Eye

[native garden]

Eagle eye is for finding twilight fragments around the map iirc

Fusing telos is not an achievement

[dreamy orchid]

is that the original messiah render

[native garden]

Maybe

[dreamy orchid]

looks like Soejima's

[native garden]

Nah, maybe it’s just a coincidence

[celest kindle]

It looks pretty HD so idk

But it might be

Lemme try seeing if i can get the image

Highest i could get was this

Discord compression strikes when you least expect it seems

[native garden]

Discord: Sorry, gotta low the free upload limit to 10MB

[celest kindle]

mfw my image is 932kb:

[native garden]

Idk, I’m am starting to think it’s a coincidence

[celest kindle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1070462030038974527/1281030026996744293/CachedImage_1920_1080_POS4.png?ex=66da3bae&is=66d8ea2e&hm=7e63f4dfb6aa66b3c8cfcdfffc7d581a2ed6e22d443d22862509ec2e1e79c115&

I think this is better

Highest quality i could get

It looks pretty HD to me but it does look like art from the original games

[native garden]

Yea, the resemblance is uncanny to me

[hollow trail]

@dreamy orchid @iron pilot dumb idea

what if i uh

made everything 100% dizzy chance

but then

also made everything have 100% chance to cure dizzy

would the game implode

[dreamy orchid]

i think trying it would be funny

idk if it'd work though

[hollow trail]

i'll try it with only one skill i guess

i can try making aoe cure dizzy too