#Persona 3 Reload | Master Quest
iron pilot
I can still win without repels it'll just take longer
hollow trail
pretty sure that also applies to high counter
but imagine if it didnt
high counter actually good for something for once
iron pilot
Armageddon probably more appealing though even as a solo fight
hollow trail
i was tempted to make nyx have 2 turns like og
and then make the hanged skill upgrade it to 3 or 4
but then i remembered
99 str/ma and all drivers
hmm yeah no
maybe in a fes revert mod but definitely not here i dont think
too much dmg
oh yeah they removed moonless gown
and i cant restore that at all
native garden
So thats AoE sunder? Yea...idk how to feel about that bc thats the move where I got stunlocked by over and over agian
hollow trail
sharp student 🔥
native garden
sharp student 🔥
we dont talk about that passive here
iron pilot
oh yeah they removed moonless gown
You can replicate it with divine intervention somewhat
That's what vanilla tries to do she just does tetra + makara
iron pilot
That's true
hollow trail
i feel like apocalypse is kinda shit
its just
"oh no you're at 1hp better heal and guard now"
dreamy orchid
doesn't she only use it like right at the end
hollow trail
no
dreamy orchid
is it just a general death phase thing
native garden
doesn't she only use it like right at the end
Theres 1 segment where she uses it at the start of her last phase
hollow trail
it's always the first thing she uses on death phase, followed by night queen
then she does all the signature full moon stuff
then apocalypse again
then night queen
apocalypse is literally a night queen teleprompter
dreamy orchid
i feel like telegraphing night queen seems kinda contradictory cus you can't be inflicted with ailments while guarding lmao
hollow trail
i think thats the point
azure cobalt
Is it good to probably use this if my new save is just before first full moon boss
hollow trail
it's warning you
azure cobalt
I could speedrun but 💀
iron pilot
I just under that shit so I can attack twice
dreamy orchid
do it
iron pilot
Endure*
hollow trail
Is it good to probably use this if my new save is just before first full moon bo...
maybe maybe not, if you're below level 11 ig go for it
hollow trail
yukari gets media
dreamy orchid
skill trees are the same its just the intended xp scaling doesn't realistically allow her to have it by then
hollow trail
its the same as vanilla
azure cobalt
(i dont have game up so idk if she has it 💀)
dreamy orchid
just don't use it in the fight if you have it
hollow trail
like
hollow trail
she learns it at the same time as vanilla the point is, first full moon with level 11 yukari is way easier
because she has aoe heal that way
azure cobalt
im probably fine then
dreamy orchid
if you didn't grind in thebel you most likely won't have it
azure cobalt
i dont grind
dreamy orchid
then yeah you should be fine lol
azure cobalt
i finished it on deck yeah
hollow trail
ah alright
dreamy orchid
dw master quest is as quick as normal playthrough
you just gotta be good enough to not die 😎
azure cobalt
i didnt think it was any longer lol
hollow trail
it's faster (i skip dialogue)
native garden
you just gotta be good enough to not die 😎
if only the game shows you how many times you died after the credits roll
native garden
mine would say 0
Yea...09721678489731247892374902835-91385901372
hollow trail
bro posted the md5 hash
native garden
whoops I accidentally dropped my phone on my keyboard for a sec
hollow trail
what the fuck do you mean night queen in reload is 1200 power
that shit does like 30 damage every time
it's also 100% ailment chance
but that never fucking happens actually
because the game is hardcoded to never ailment all 4 party members
🥴
- the guarded telegraph
what if i made nyx do almighty attack before night queen to remove all guards
that way you still have the silly apocalypse shit
maybe make apocalypse debuff the party tbh
iron pilot
It doesn't have boosts so it makes sense to me
iron pilot
Doesn't work on almighty
native garden
Did no one notice that I managed to proc Shinjiro’s endure more than once or am I seeing things?
iron pilot
It's a different fight or you're looking at Ken or
native garden
It's a different fight or you're looking at Ken or
I’m referring to the fight against Hermit
Like there was a point where Shinjiro was low on Hp, I didn’t heal him bc I know he has Endure. His endure got activated. I healed him. He takes damage again and he didn’t die. It happened pretty late to the Hermit fight
hollow trail
i just got hit by that almighty sweep
1050 crit damage instantly killed mc lmfao
on hanged phase
im pretty tempted to nerf theurgy charge rates
i think the damage is fine but because it does around 1000 damage on average it does sometimes feel like you're playing nice and defensive until the meter fills and then you use it to get to the next phase
i thought about making all charge conditions 0 except the ones explicitly stated in personality
but that's a massive junpei and koro nerf
and a massive aki and yukari buff
especially since electric onslaught is already quite nuts
Honestly yes I could literally just pop Marakukaja, Guard, then do Electric Onslaught to wipe every phase with zero damage taken lmfao
iron pilot
i just got hit by that almighty sweep
Bruh moment
iron pilot
Also Mitsuru will literally be unable to do shit in that case only the debuff condition works on her practically
hollow trail
It's a mitsuru buff though
any debuff works
I think conditions that charge meter at the start of turn were a massive mistake
You can stall with MQ aki
imo
It should be if acting while buffed
And not count if you guard
actually I'd love it if it was possible to lose gauge on guard
hollow trail
Ailment or "Weakening"
which is debuff
junpei is genuinely fucked if I do this
more effort for blaze of life when electric onslaught is better by default
if you don't do equips
iron pilot
Yeah.
iron pilot
Ailment or "Weakening"
Atlus desc sucking ass is still the funny
hollow trail
yh
idk I'm torn
i think theurgy damage is good if the strategy to time the use right is also good
problem is I see myself just stalling nyx phases then oneshotting them
instead of consistent damage and variety
i do use the damage skills but the theurgy is what really skips phases
iron pilot
Yeah.
hollow trail
i even started just extending buffs while i wait for gauge
junpei is rakukaja botting
iron pilot
Yeah.
iron pilot
Wot
hollow trail
Magatsuhi is also stalling until meter is full then doing a billion damage with it
theurgy is just a simpler version of it
but it is literally the same premise
hollow trail
yeah but enemies have a ton of hp and the battles do stall until you have meter full
everything else is filler or part of setup
theurgia setup is just waiting
iron pilot
It could be, it feels that way for the Nyx fight because of the regens I guess
hollow trail
well my idea was
what if charging theurgy was slightly more unique for every party member, so you'd be forced to play differently while you wait for charge
but by nature, junpei is fucked if you dont have koro
aki and mitsuru and yukari are gonna charge hyper fast
ken too
i'd love to find out if negative values for theurgy charge are possible
you could remove charge if you guard stall
i guess you could extend marakukaja to stall instead
but still
iron pilot
You could also just use brave blade or phys attack
hollow trail
yeah but the thing is that since theurgia can already onetap nyx phases, stalling is more efficient if you extend buff
no point attacking when the theurgia will onetap
hollow trail
And lose HP for Yukari to even heal
you'd always lose hp regardless every turn
but yea
iron pilot
It's just the reliable method for me I guess
Use phys skill is Junpei's secondary iirc
hollow trail
i mean yeah
he'd have to use it to charge actually
🥴
aki could guard stall though
with power charge even
which is funny
iron pilot
Yeah that was why charging even though he's gonna use magic is good
Lmao
Skill issue fr
Junpei kinda needs to be on concentrate to have the same (but nerfed) effect
hollow trail
i charge on phases where nyx nulls phys too
so i can hit harder when they dont null it anymore
🥴
iron pilot
If you ask me, I think Akihiko getting charged that hard by just existing is a bit overtuned
I'd nerf it a tad
Or at least buff everyone else's charge (less ideal imo)
hollow trail
remind me what the charge conditions were again
iron pilot
Although someone like Mitsuru would benefit from it
Uhhhh
Where's that docs
This is for bosses on full moons without soul fortune but basically
hollow trail
honestly? i'd change the protagonist's main condition
it would suck in bosses
wait
no nvm
it's a condition for receiving shift, not giving it
i'd have made it "charge when shifting to someone"
hollow trail
why tf does aki gain more charge for low hp too
iron pilot
Everyone does technically but y'know
iron pilot
He's special (he needs it to keep up in vanilla)
Yukari gets more charge with low SP
Funniest one in there probably
Oh yeah Mitsuru just gets 8% for a debuff on enemy
hollow trail
100 is 8%?
iron pilot
Akihiko gets 15% buff on self
Wait wot
I read 80
Uhhh
These lines are different
hollow trail
you're looking at boss
iron pilot
When analyzing this though majority of the easy ones to get are on Akihiko specifically
And it does show on MQ after the buffs
hollow trail
doc says heal qualifies as a magic skill
iron pilot
Oh
iron pilot
(it charges theurgia faster)
iron pilot
Perhaps
I don't really mind it it'll just slow me down a bit but it won't be the biggest dealbreak for strategies
You could argue the low HP at the start would be good enough of a boost
hollow trail
im trying to think of how best to make it so charging is something you work towards and not just a stall waiting for the oneshot to arrive
iron pilot
Could just make the attack ones be like secondaries
And nerf the ones that stalls, apart from the personality specific ones
iron pilot
Akihiko's the poster boy of this frfr
iron pilot
Yeah since it's considered as the minor condition
The major one's the ailment stuff
Which majority of bosses null
hollow trail
omg she can literally only do this to jin
iron pilot
They were not cooking
hollow trail
and one of the weapons are nulled
iron pilot
Yeah it's just baffling all around
iron pilot
I think they didn't think too hard about how practical the conditions are at any point of the game
hollow trail
actually shit i'd be less scared to make enemies hit weaknesses harder if the game had actual wall skills
iron pilot
Because, ailments works at its best when Theurgia isn't even available yet
And the charge and buffs stuff are only applicable to a great degree to Akihiko when the protag gets autos
iron pilot
actually shit i'd be less scared to make enemies hit weaknesses harder if the ga...
They're just autos
hollow trail
i know
i said "if"
😔
but the effect exists in code, i could put it on a skill if UE wasn't a bitch
hollow trail
wdym
oh wait
guard, buffs and items dont charge trg
so only aki would really be able to stall
iron pilot
I can work with this
hollow trail
its not a change
like
the game is like that already
only reason you'd be able to guard stall is because everyone gets at least a little something from being buffed
no this is ridiculous bro ahaha
aki can literally stall and get elec onslaught every 3 turns
while doing nothing
hollow trail
guard, buffs and items dont charge trg
oh nvm kajas also give charge
hollow trail
no its the same
using kaja and kunda is the same condition
start turn with kaja/kunda is what's diff
iron pilot
Yeah that's what I'm saying
hollow trail
mc getting 13% every turn just for sitting there scratching his balls with heat riser is so dumb
his theurgies are the best too
more than 13%
13 is just using the skill
35% guaranteed charge every turn
get outta here looool
not even smtv was that egregious
iron pilot
Uhh idk about that bro
iron pilot
Do you think if he sniffs his fingers he gets 100% next turn
hollow trail
yeah i really dont know how to feel about recovery from down
rewarding you for taking damage is weird
but its also risky strat to have weakness open ig
kinda makes nyx easier though
since almighty sweep crits everyone almost
iron pilot
Yeah that's a different thing now
It does take off buffs though so you have to find the right timing
hollow trail
wdym
iron pilot
I always attack on that apocalypse to night queen moves because it's guaranteed that I won't have to worry about weaknesses later
iron pilot
That's the clearest window to attack in that phase
hollow trail
It's Apocalypse
next turn is
Grim Transcendence
Almighty Sweep
Night Queen
so it wipes your guard if you did that
hollow trail
Dekaja
then Heat Riser
then Marakunda
Then Charge
Then Karns
Then Concentrate
iron pilot
Yeah makes sense
hollow trail
oneshotting a phase is fine if you had the setup for it, and timed it properly
if you theurgia a phase that is already half health you're kinda skill issuing
hollow trail
i'll start by fucking around with TRG ig
buffs is a little more fucked
its math
though if i nerf tarukaja/rakunda oneshotting phases will become impossible without charge+99
not a bad thing
hollow trail
i think
maybe i have to vorpal blade a bit extra
scarlet havoc does 2k without charge
hollow trail
weird maybe im remembering wrong
charged aki is doing 2000+ with onslaught tho
that im sure of
iron pilot
Yeah I'm sure of that but it needs concentrate
Ok like
Damn I don't have the vids for it
I could pull 1.5K without debuffs
But has charge and tarukaja
That's with a regular chernobog build too
Not boosted to hell yet
hollow trail
what if i just disabled passive gauge gain entirely lmao
wait that would fuck aki over completely
you'd need masukukaja back to make him useful
nvm
actually charge would apply too
iron pilot
You get charge pretty late on him so it's gonna be hard carried by Koro
hollow trail
nono what i mean is
completely remove all "start of turn" effects
i'll show you what i mean in a sec
answer is gonna get "receive shift" as a charge condition
if it's not "from protag" i might be able to make mc's condition "charge when shifting to someone"
not sure
wait
nah nvm im tripping
receive already exists
answer is making it specifically from aigis only
odd
iron pilot
Or it isn't and it's just a weird personality thing
west swift
I've been glancing at this every so often - am I understanding this right, is it possible to change theurgy charge conditions?
iron pilot
Technically we can just change the numbers
hollow trail
I've been glancing at this every so often - am I understanding this right, is it...
yea, the values
iron pilot
All of the conditions members have are in a sort of table and they have higher values for their "personality" stuffs
So that becomes their main condition
hollow trail
party members actually gain a bunch of charge for things that the game says are for other characters
iron pilot
The protag simply has decent charge in all of them, so that's how he got a condition of just using personas
hollow trail
being downed gives 20% to everyone
west swift
interesting. does that mean you could swap conditions for example?
hollow trail
yes
iron pilot
Yeah in theory
west swift
mmm interesting
iron pilot
It already happens actually
hollow trail
yeah koro and aigis are also crit charged
iron pilot
Yukari has Ken's condition on bosses but it's not as strong of an effect
And Junpei has Aigis' condition of just using phys
Easier to just call them secondary conditions if you ask me
They give higher than average but is weaker than the guy with that actual main condition
west swift
that is very interesting actually
hollow trail
Downed Recovery: All 0
Start Turn With Charge: All 0
Start Turn With Buff: All 0
Start Turn at Low HP: All 0 (Except Shinji)
Start Turn at Low SP: All 0 (Except Ken)
Receive a Shift: All Buffed (60 -> 120)
Start Turn on Ailmented Enemy: All 0
Crit with Weapon: All Buffed (100 -> 170) Except Junpei and Koro (250)
Weakness: All Buffed (100 -> 170) Except Koro (250)
Crit (Persona): All Buffed (100 -> 170) Except Junpei and Koro (250)
Phys (Persona): All 100 Except MC (130) and Aigis (200)
Any Magic/Heal: All 100 Except MC (130)
Healing/Reviving: All 100 Except MC (130) and Yukari (150) (Yes, healing procs charge twice)
Buff/Debuff: All 100 Except MC (130), Aki and Mitsuru (200)
Inflict Ailment: All 100 Except Mitsuru (200)
Start Turn With Debuffed Enemy: All 0
oh god i can already feel the difference
i actually get to see akihiko have the meter be half full 
might have to give akihiko a secondary though
mitsuru is technically support + ailment, while aki only has support
iron pilot
Now the problem is being able to land ailments in the first place
hollow trail
yeah but she can just rakunda every turn if you really want charge
its consistent but costly
oh
and ice break also gives 200 charge
because it's all support skills
i think
iron pilot
Nah I meant that uh, majority of bosses on the blocks null ailments
This is better than before though
hollow trail
this really incentivizes baton passing too
12% charge when receiving
can crit, but also indirectly buffs mag
what if i make getting up from downed aki's secondary
akihiko fans hurting akihiko for fun:
iron pilot
Nyx fight meme
hollow trail
im joking btw
its bad
cuz he has evade ice
oh wait
hmmmm
what if i make his secondary crit with fists
west swift
akihiko fans hurting akihiko for fun:
two types of akihiko fans
- the ones who want him to suffer horribly
- fake fans
hollow trail
i cant give him aigis' trait but magic
because that includes healing too
so he'd gain charge super fast
yea fists crit seems funny
he has tarukabellion equip right?
problem is weapons kinda suck and you're better off using other skills anyway i guess
yea i think i will be nerfing protag charge heavily
change his condition to gain a lot more on receiving shift
nerfs him in bosses but i think it fits him being the leader
and it's better than just "blanket gain a fuckton for doing literally anything"
hollow trail
problem is weapons kinda suck and you're better off using other skills anyway i ...
easy solution
iron pilot
And it's pretty endgame, december iirc?
hollow trail
gloves crit is 50%
its rare and it's gamble as fuck
isnt the chance like 3 + 7 %
iron pilot
Wdym
iron pilot
I thought it was 5%
iron pilot
Anyways yeah it should just be +7% whatever it is
hollow trail
well i think i like the idea of akihiko being a giga gambler
fists gives ton of charge
but rare as fuck
honestly it might be rare enough that 100% is justified
but i'll leave it at 50%
punching nyx fool phase until aki crits for full bar
hollow trail
yeah but its a tradeoff
more chance of crit punch
more trg
its elec
what i need to test is
if strike weakness = the condition is met
it cant be 50%
that will just make him insta charge on tziah lol
iron pilot
Elec gloves
hollow trail
lol
game bugged
even if you make his charge 0% aki will still get a little bit for having kaja
but only in normal battles
🥴 ?
oh everyone does
weird
oh
funny
i fucking modded the vanilla file
oops 
iron pilot
Moment
hollow trail
no big deal
hollow trail
aki being glove specialist feels uh
satisfying
ngl
50% might be too much but it's satisfying so far
hollow trail
if strike weakness = the condition is met
doesn't count
has to be crit with gloves specifically
50% seems good
100% is excessive because i'd like it to pair with synergies like distress etc
crit 2 mfs with your gloves and bar is full
maybe nerf to 30% but gotta check i guess
iron pilot
Try elec gloves
hollow trail
oh for the shock??
isnt sabazios better?
master quest is so fucking akihiko biased and im not even that big a fan lmfaoooo
him and mitsuru got the most fun kit upgrades
hollow trail
nothing directly but there is that theurgia buff we were talking about, + bosses being freezable now
hollow trail
you think?
iron pilot
Maybe
iron pilot
From what I recall I'd just get it at the end of Harabah II
59?
Wait a min
What's the rate on those low HP/SP ones
iron pilot
Ailment mid
Hmmmm maybe it'll be fine to give people secondaries, only Akihiko and Mitsuru have some
hollow trail
aki's secondary is already mucho texto
it's there so he's different to mitsuru and it's rare enough that the others can do without
hollow trail
removing the passive gauge boost was the right call i think
it giga nerfs items
item = no charging
lol
hollow trail
hollow trail
dude this is actually so much better im not joking
i think i might have to re-enable sp items because of this
or like, at least soma
I think this needs to be tested with better builds
i am filtering myself rn
hollow trail
and ken
iron pilot
And Koro I guess
hollow trail
ken is super balanced now
having low sp as his ONLY form of charge pretty much
because there's no passive
so he either has low sp
or he uses skills
and if he uses skills
bye bye sp lol
ig he can be the item bot
im on fucking emperor bruh
look at my sp
hollow trail
sure i'll post
if these tweaks are good, we'll move onto buffs
potentially items
feedback did constantly complain about sp 
this might work out
iron pilot
It'll definitely be a bit more strategic with theurgia charge from what I can tell
hollow trail
MQ 2.0 WiP
Nyx Avatar:
- Sweep and Sunder are now "Almighty Sweep" and "Almighty Sunder". Sweep's power has been increased to 600.
- Night Queen's Charm and Poison ailment chance have been restored from FES.
- After Apocalypse, Nyx Avatar will now Almighty Sweep before Night Queen, erasing all guards.
- A bug was fixed with Nyx Avatar's 1 Mores in the Death phase, which resulted in a loop of useless buffing.
- The Emperor Phase and all subsequent phases will no longer use Sweep and Sunder on enemies weak to Slash, as the element is Almighty. They will now target enemies who are still standing.
Theurgy:
- All forms of passive Theurgy charging (Recover from Down, Buff Active, Debuff Active, Charge Active, Ailment Active, etc.) have been removed, with the exception of Shinjiro and Ken's Personality traits.
- Protagonist received a new trait: When being shifted to by his allies, he receives a great boost.
- Akihiko received a new trait: When using any support skill, he receives a boost. When getting a critical with his gloves, he receives a great boost.
- Mitsuru received a new trait: When using any support skill, she receives a boost. When landing an ailment successfully, she will also receive a boost.
- Theurgy charge gained from receiving a Shift has been doubled. The protagonist is excluded as his trait gives even more.
- Theurgy charge for using skills in general, getting weaknesses and critting has been slightly increased, to compensate for the fact all passive gains were removed.
- New Theurgy descriptions were added to everyone to reflect the changes.
hollow trail
MQ 2.0 WiP
Nyx Avatar:
* Sweep and Sunder are now "Almighty Sweep" and "Almight...
Current options depending on testing:
- Decrease player buff power
- Increase Tarukaja and Rakunda power so it cancels out with Rakukaja/Tarunda
- Allow some SP recovery items to be used
- Alternatively, add more SP recovery options (Equips)
- Nerf consumable buff items to be single target, reducing their cost
- Make Ruby purchasable in January
i should probably just do the fuuka cookie thing
i ended up never doing that
iron pilot
I'll just gamble (poison will not land trust)
hollow trail
you mean on jin?
iron pilot
Nah on Night Queen
hollow trail
isnt poison landing a good thing
the damage is crap
i mean it disables theurgy
ig
iron pilot
Nah it's good since it's faithful
hollow trail
true fes poison was crap
iron pilot
But unless I'm using only women, I can't null it landing
hollow trail
fuck ur right i need to test the fight with all party member combinations
iron pilot
Only women get insta heal armor
hollow trail
wait thats a thing
why bother with charm night queen 
i think charm salt will never happen
iron pilot
Nah no one cares about ailment null except on protag
Tbh
If they didn't have Norn, they're fucked
hollow trail
ailment null on party member is grief actually
because aoe is hardcoded to never hit full party
so if someone nulls
protag gets ailmented
iron pilot
Is that how it works
hollow trail
i think so yea
iron pilot
I thought protag gets priority on not getting hit
hollow trail
they did it because of fucking lovers
its impossible to have the entire party ailmented
which is bullshit but ok
wait
iron pilot
Yeah it's stupid
hollow trail
if i make dizzy chance 100% isnt that restoring fes down
nah
partially
cuz attacking dizzy doesnt remove dizzy
iron pilot
Yeah.
hollow trail
fes down would be brutal though
jesus
imagine losing a full turn because of almighty sweep downing everyone
and nyx just does it again
stunlock
wait
i should give nyx dizzy boost
iron pilot
That's gonna be a moment
dreamy orchid
what if i make his secondary crit with fists
why not make his secondary buff and debuff considering he's the one character to have both technically
from reading the convo though, I agree that removing or at least lessening a lot of the more miscellaneous charging methods would be good
recovering from down especially is far too powerful, but some characters need other things adjusted too that are too high
Mitsuru also definitely needs a buff to her secondary characteristic, because ailment just isn't practical enough on endgame bosses
dreamy orchid
if i make dizzy chance 100% isnt that restoring fes down
it'd be more similar to fes down, but you'd also continually be able to exploit the bonus damage on downed enemies, so you'd end up killing things much faster
imo it'd benefit the player a lot more than the enemy besides for like late game bosses that are immune to down
also should i try testing the new changes even if i'm not at the nyx fight yet?
native garden
|| https://youtu.be/Ss-idKrCSPg?si=KhNUuPaBVk7mhgr1|| The Castle That Never Was
iron pilot
It's not accurate for challenge mods atm
dreamy orchid
i need to update it anyways
because i noticed the text for bloody charge is aligned weirdly and i didn't round buffs up
native garden
also take off useful descriptions 😭
I didn’t take it off until Harabah battles
Remember, pre-recorded footage before anyone told me not to use useful descriptions
native garden
bro using boostless getsu-ei in tziah
Welp, at least I had a much smoother fight than the last one 
hollow trail
why not make his secondary buff and debuff considering he's the one character to...
Already is, the game doesn't distinguish
dreamy orchid
no i mean like
the start of turn versions
but ig you wanted to remove all of those
hollow trail
Mitsuru also definitely needs a buff to her secondary characteristic, because ai...
and i disagree, because freeze counts, and that is her niche
dreamy orchid
freeze doesn't work on endgame bosses though
hollow trail
I'm removing all start of turn charges
dreamy orchid
hanged man, jin, takaya, chidori and nyx all can't be frozen
dreamy orchid
i think jin and takaya being freezable could work but it might make them too easy
native garden
i think jin and takaya being freezable could work but it might make them too eas...
If one of them can land ailments on me, then why can’t I do the same to them?
hollow trail
plus it was really satisfying to max the bar on Aki with punches and shifting to MC
it's a good combo
like, obviously won't always work
dreamy orchid
if only atlus didn't cuck us with weapon shit
cus the crit weapon thing i thought was cool for aki also when i was looking through the theurgia shit
hollow trail
that's why i made the charge gain insane
the punch is ass but theurgy makes up for it
dreamy orchid
akihiko with mitsuru distress is op combo trust
hollow trail
I think making charge gain active only is really good
no but actually
yes
or mc distress
dreamy orchid
mc casting distress seems mega grief though lol
hollow trail
he distresses, aki punches, crit, shift to mc, mc gains 30%, distress again
repeat
no lol
dreamy orchid
it'd work but mitsuru has high ag anyways so idk why you wouldn't just have her do it
hollow trail
because I'm assuming she's not there in this case
it's not a "grief" it's the circumstances of your party
if she's there obviously yes it's better for her
dreamy orchid
i just feel like mc always has better things to do besides super early game
hollow trail
ok
dreamy orchid
it'd work as a strat though i just don't know how optimal it'd be
fun concept at least
native garden
i think you can distress liz
“I bring you, Megidolaon”
iron pilot
It'll disappear on her turn
iron pilot
“I bring you, Megidolaon”
Mid af line they fucked up saying Megidolaon
hollow trail
did i give her insta heal
hollow trail
ofc i didn't it's a solo battle what
native garden
How did they do that
I don’t think it sounds that bad. She said something similar in JP audio
hollow trail
"megidolaon de gozaimasu" is very different
native garden
That's the bit I'm talking about
Blame the eng voice director then. Beats me
iron pilot
And nah this ain't an appeal to original audio they set those syllables as separate for years already
dreamy orchid
how does dub pronounce it
native garden
how does dub pronounce it
dreamy orchid
is she just not pronouncing the a lol
native garden
is she just not pronouncing the a lol
Maybe
iron pilot
Anyways probably a good idea to run shock Akihiko for a bit except the final boss
dreamy orchid
it sounds like she's saying "megidolon"
celest kindle
Though the second one gets a little drowned out by the SFX
dreamy orchid
megidolawn
native garden
On god? No cap?
dreamy orchid
oh yeah meovv
hollow trail
dreamy orchid
positive change from the theurgia charge rework is that stalling fool phase nyx is mostly pointless now
so that's good
hollow trail
not at all
dreamy orchid
i mean like i can't rly do that with tactics tho 😔
iron pilot
I can also get Junpei/Yukari/Akihiko maxed
dreamy orchid
15 turn stack is crazy though
hollow trail
Bro I thought it was 6 the whole time
but 15 is actually so good I'm not even gonna lie
dreamy orchid
ig when i do it i'll just have mc setup turns 1 and 2 while the others go full assault
hollow trail
I really like that
hollow trail
royal is 9??
iron pilot
Last I recall, yeah
iron pilot
No
hollow trail
is p4g 6
iron pilot
I recall this
I tested Wealth of Lotus
Casted it three times
That should be...13
But I recall it going down at 9
But maybe I miscounted somewhere
Not that it matters much, stalling in P5 is a grief
5 is already insane there
hollow trail
2.0 WiP 2
Skills:
- Charge cost reduced from 30 to 12.
- Concentrate cost reduced from 30 to 12.
hollow trail
2.0 WiP 2
Skills:
* Charge cost reduced from 30 to 12.
* Concentrate cost reduc...
even at 2.0x it seems pretty worth to use for theurgy charge now
also 0 damage (charging) + big nuke mathematically is more damage than small damage + small damage again
lets midsuru save sp too
hollow trail
lol death phase is ridiculous rn
divine intervention
karns everyone
nyx sees this, doesn't do the one more thing
does almighty sweep instead
crits everyone
dekaja
does almighty sweep again
1.4x damage because we were dekaja'd
kills a bunch of party members
heat riser
the dekaja spam is brutal when you pair it with 600 aoe physalmighty
i might nerf it to sunder instead
oh, wait
why is sweep 30% crit and sunder 10%
it should be the other way around
🥴
that 30 is like 70% because of passives
hollow trail
2.0 WiP 3
Nyx Avatar:
- Greatly nerfed crit rate of Almighty Sweep (30 -> 5). Due to passives the critrates of Sweep and Sunder (5 and 10) are still relatively high, but no longer virtually guaranteed.
- Nyx Avatar now uses Almighty Sunder when the party has all weaknesses covered instead of Almighty Sweep
hollow trail
probably gotta fix the ai a bit
AI_TAR_STAND doesn't Almighty Sweep people who are still up
which is fucking dumb because it's the opposite of TAR_DOWN but ok
i'll just make it target people without down+dizzy
hollow trail
2.0 wip 4
Nyx Avatar:
- Almighty Sunder targets enemies that are not down or dizzy (to try to knock them down and dizzy them too)
native garden
I guess I'll mess around with that patch out of curiosity. ||https://youtu.be/Weaqs6IIJDE||
hollow trail
1 hour lmao
iron pilot
I was letting dialogue play last time
hollow trail
no armageddon finish is pretty surprising
exact same party as me lmao
was this on wip 4
ah yeah it was
what the fuck your personas are all 99/99/99/99/99
cheat or just grind
native garden
cheat or just grind
Grind I was doing off screen while messing around
native garden
1 hour on 99 personas?
Pre beta patch
hollow trail
no he means it took you 1 hour with a full 99 stock protag
native garden
no armageddon finish is pretty surprising
Just like in my blind playthrough, I think that would be a bit cheap to use that
iron pilot
Yeah that was the idea
native garden
Welp, no one told me that when I did the fight on 1.08 without it
iron pilot
50% of the time's on death
native garden
did you feel a difference in how theurgy charges
I felt a difference when I got close to the end of the fight
Like that was where I felt a huge difference
hollow trail
i guess that makes sense your build is fucking
cracked
lol
its overkill for most of it
native garden
cracked
I wouldn’t say it’s that good. Enduring soul on every single persona and having Dekaja and Dekunda on a persona I only uses for emergencies is kinda…eh
hollow trail
nah, like
it's not "perfect" but you're decked out with a bunch of crafted items
which is good, but way more than i expected people to bother with
native garden
which is good, but way more than i expected people to bother with
When someone mentioned that the final boss is level 99, gotta be prepared as best as possible
native garden
still took you an hour so i guess it served you right
I’m not using Armageddon . Never
Except for the EX boss
That’s the exception
native garden
15 minutes
Probably yea
If you 2 want to see the final boss on v1.08, then wait until October 28th.
hollow trail
lol
native garden
Let's see, I'll solo and try
iron pilot
Yeah I can work with this
hollow trail
I can't do repel strats anymore (unless....?)
you can for anything that isn't Almighty Attack
Your only filter is maybe your SP bar
You can't charge King and I as consistently anymore
iron pilot
You sure bro?
hollow trail
With 999 SP and all invigs maybe you can spam heat riser, sure
iron pilot
Yeah I know
hollow trail
actually
shit
Take a defensive persona with Bash or the 8 element anubis
low cost, theugia charge is the same
accrue weakness stack for cheap
scarlet havoc
iron pilot
Nah that's too wasteful, it's simpler
hollow trail
what are you doing then
iron pilot
Wdym it's pretty much the same gameplan as before, just more moves to be used
Party wise, anyways
As for solo, it's the same fight but I just can't repel anymore
hollow trail
or null the almighties in general
Death might be funnier now with the 40% crit
sunders
get ready to learn dekunda buddy
iron pilot
Nah I'll dodge
iron pilot
From what I can tell I'll just masukukaja again
iron pilot
Nah it's good because at worst it'll just be neutral at the end
hollow trail
I guess I'll mess around with that patch out of curiosity. ||https://youtu.be/We...
playing with the original lighting wip for so long that the piss version feels weird to me now
iron pilot
If only there's a move that you can cast indefinitely that cost HP and gets you down to the low HP condition safely while also being beneficial
native garden
playing with the original lighting wip for so long that the piss version feels w...
Persona 3 Reload: Master Quest Kiwami Edition
hollow trail
If only there's a move that you can cast indefinitely that cost HP and gets you ...
true, one small detail
hp condition is 0 for protag
iron pilot
It'll be easy trust
hollow trail
i trust
native garden
I’ll be on team doubters
hollow trail
there's no freeze boost equips?
cringe
i was gonna do Sabazios + Freeze Boost build on aki for funnies
iron pilot
Junpeak keeps dodging on my footage
That's why he's the goat
Just double checking this and yeah I just need the guy to have masukukaja and debilitate up
hollow trail
inb4 evasion rate is 100%
iron pilot
I did get hit but that's a handful of times
I'll just have to cast masukukaja every turn and debilitate when it's running out for maintenance
celest kindle
there's no freeze boost equips?
Ice Saber
hollow trail
that's a mitsuru weapon bruh
celest kindle
Tartarus Chest item
hollow trail
yes
celest kindle
Yea nah there isn't
Wait but out of curiosity what's the end goal
Like Aki has no freezing skills afaik so like
celest kindle
Those can Freeze??
iron pilot
Red
hollow trail
Wait but out of curiosity what's the end goal
right i didnt explain
current update changed protag and aki's theurgy charge conditions
for aki, he gets 50% charge if he crits, but only with his gloves specifically
so sabazios with freeze boost would be an insane combo on enemies that can be frozen
iron pilot
You could also be a shock dude without equips
iron pilot
Sabazios will never be peak again
celest kindle
Ice being able to crit on ice would be a cool change
But we ain't in that timeline
hollow trail
does sabazios scale with mag
hollow trail
thats really funny
celest kindle
I don't think that's doable
See? more proof we ain't in that timeline 
iron pilot
Akihiko needing 69420 buffs to catch up to Junpeak with nerfs
celest kindle
Can't compete with the dude who got One More in him
Is Meovv trying to buff Aki a little to give him more strats?
hollow trail
aki is already buffed
iron pilot
Nah he already got a fuckton of buffs
hollow trail
i just revamped theurgy charge condition
iron pilot
Yeah just balancing that out
celest kindle
Ah
hollow trail
.
celest kindle
I mean it makes sense?
hollow trail
well yeah no shit
celest kindle
Oh that's what you meant
iron pilot
Yeah but we can make it say deez nuts
celest kindle
Just change it to the Leader if you want a compromise
iron pilot
Nah I'm just not used to it
celest kindle
Will remember to name my protagonist penis whenever i do a second run of master quest
celest kindle
equips use the protag name too
They do?
celest kindle
Oh that