Persona 3 Reload | Master Quest

[steel nebula]

If this was the base game (and it was actually challenging), I could see the level difference being an issue. But for Master Quest, since damage scaling has been removed, I don't think a big difference would impact much. It's all about those stats, some of which can be boosted with the most current equipment.

[dreamy orchid]

stats are somewhat important but generally skills themselves are what matters

getting characters to specific milestones is more important than just mindlessly gaining levels here

[celest kindle]

I think the only particular skills i got worth noting were Getsu-Ei for Koro, Mediarama for Yukari and (if that counts) Light Boost on the Virtue i fused

Oh actually

Gigantic Fist Aki too but I didn't get that today

[dreamy orchid]

Koro's Getsu-ei is kinda doodoo

but Gigantic Fist is pog

[celest kindle]

I should probably get one of the +Health Accessories on Ken

Man gets cooked easily atm

He'd probably be higher level earlier if he hadn't died while i was tackling one of the Tartarus bosses

I did try to recarm him but the bosses hit hard so he still died

[dreamy orchid]

I just used either damage increasing or sp regen stuff on him lol

[celest kindle]

I don't have any of those yet but i did have a couple +SP items

Used it on the Hermit video in fact

[dreamy orchid]

i got invigorate 1 accessory as early as arqa 1

[celest kindle]

Damn

Crafted?

[dreamy orchid]

nah from a chest

[celest kindle]

Hmmmm

Guess i was unlucky then

[dreamy orchid]

i tended to run invig 2 on ken in tartarus and then light boost/high counter in bosses

15sp per turn is pretty nice

[celest kindle]

Definitely

Ken also is a character that uses a lot of SP innately

So having that covered is good

I did want to do something to help with his SP but i was low on cash and I'm pretty sure none of the shops sell anything of the sort

Stuff like this ends up being a silent reminder for me that you cannot heal sp during battle in MQ

[native garden]

|| https://youtu.be/MYIo_FiyhYs?si=PTPIhcYgmA6x9Y1i|| Meh fight

[hollow trail]

seems fine

[native garden]

I don’t think the fight is buggy. It just that this is the point of the game where the Tatarus Guardian fights get annoying. Like Tartarus Block 3 and Tartarus Block 6 have the most annoying guardians to fight in the game imo

[hollow trail]

that particular fight is one of my favorites tbh

[native garden]

Really? I can see the appeal in the fight

[hollow trail]

i'm watching you play and there's several tactical mistakes going on, which is fine but probably explains why you find things to be annoying or slow

you're managing tho

[native garden]

In my defense, this was a blind playthrough. I had no idea what to expect with how the mod made the fights any different or how it would make me approach the fight differently.

[hollow trail]

no that part is fair

[native garden]

Also, some clips I recorded late in the evening. Especially the Tartarus block 4 bosses where i recorded a few them when it’s like 6 in the morning

[hollow trail]

there's some stuff you can do to greatly accelerate dps

[native garden]

And i would assume one of them were to get Junpei’s and Aigis’ characteristics? Well, I didn’t get those until well after ||Justice and Chariot||.

[hollow trail]

i assumed you'd have them tbh

but for example you took an aoa when junpei's theurgy would've far outdamaged since the enemy was down

although ig without the characterictic it could end up not being as good

[native garden]

I don’t normally show what characteristics I unlocked but I did show that I did not have them for Justice and Chariot

I would’ve unlocked them if I wasn’t going for all SL max run

[dreamy orchid]

surprised you didn't have Mitsuru for that fight honestly, she's pretty good there

and yeah you wouldn't have Aigis' characteristic either way since I'm pretty sure you can't even get phys amp before Chariot/Justice

[celest kindle]

Guessing they didn't wanna have all the enemy bosses be able to exploit weakness

Though Mitsuru is the one with pretty good ice spells so you could probably manage tbh

Actually no nvm i just realized all the enemies can still cover the whole team

Though yeah Mitsuru's probably one of the picks there

She is the ice specialist party member after all

[native garden]

I’m pretty sure I was forced to back to back Tartarus fights so if I were to bring Mitsuru for the Arcanist and Overseers, then I would’ve had Mitsuru for Ochrocaric sands… and the sands spam fire which is what Mitsuru is weak to

[celest kindle]

Guard and Fuuka buff pre-fight could probably help you out a little

[dreamy orchid]

I brought Mitsuru for both of those fights I think

the all out attack spam was nice

guarding is for the weak.

real tactics heads just let her spam mabufu every turn

[celest kindle]

I think this is after Lovers too so you should have Diarama on Aki

Lmao

I forget, can tactics guard?

[dreamy orchid]

Only in specific situations in which they can do nothing else, and even then they often times prefer basic attacks

I've not looked at the code much though this is just from my experience

You cannot get them to guard at will though

[celest kindle]

Ouch

On a somewhat related note I've got the Anti-Fire Master armor for Mitsuru on my run right now so her weakness is kind of covered now for me atm

Has been nice

I do have the Null Fire equipment from Mayoido craftable but i spent my resources on other stuff

Mainly weapons

[dreamy orchid]

if its the armour then she can't wear it

there's a null fire armour but for some reason its only for Yukari lol

[celest kindle]

Oh

Wait a sec it is...

Man

[dreamy orchid]

the accessory isn't worth it either because you'd want ice amp instead

[celest kindle]

I don't think i have the amps atm but i do have the boosters

Granted I don't particularly need them i guess?

Mitsuru has Ice Boost now

Stacking them does sound fun though...

I need to poke the Monad Doors more

Been ignoring them for a bit ever since Hermit

Mainly to yk make sure I'm ready and all

[dreamy orchid]

amps are gotten at like tziah

you'll get them before fortune/strength

[celest kindle]

Which Base Model?

[dreamy orchid]

its the one you get in tziah ii

idk you'll find it if you do enough monad doors

[celest kindle]

I'll try it then

I'm pretty sure i only had like

Generic AS Material and Nihil Ore

[native garden]

Hermit: Ok

Fuuka: Leader, get up! Say something…please ;(

[celest kindle]

The Elec Null Persona on the table:

I think i had my party get cooked by Tera or Mega Spark before though

[native garden]

I got roasted by the first mega spark in an outtake I featured in my Hermit video

[dreamy orchid]

hermit was the easiest boss so far wdym

one of the ones i did first try

[native garden]

Yea…not when you’re doing it at 3AM

[dreamy orchid]

you had direct commands shinjiro you have no excuse smh

i gotta continue MQ though

cus i don't really like the idea of keeping it unfinished

I finally feel like I can relax again now cus irl shit is sorted so I have the time

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/emperors-new-groove-kronk-what-does-that-have-to-do-hes-got-a-point-gif-4750059

[native garden]

Well, you got time to finish the run. Until Episode Aigis is out

[celest kindle]

Think Onion has mentioned before that Shinji kinda griefed them on Tactics

Since Tactics didn't really go for Bloody Charge

[dreamy orchid]

no its because tactics spams fatal end lol

[celest kindle]

Oh

[dreamy orchid]

so hes the lowest damage party member

[celest kindle]

Fearing the Hermit 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[native garden]

Fear the hermit with progressive trance music in the background

[supple pewter]

Is your accuracy lowered in MQ or am I just getting Hella unlucky

[dreamy orchid]

accuracy of some phys skills was toned down iirc and the accuracy minimum was removed

[supple pewter]

Hmm

I noticed I was missing A LOT more often

[hollow trail]

Mostly placebo

some phys was lowered but it's like 5% max

sukukaja is semi buffed because the evasion cap was removed

so now instead of 50-99% it's 0-100%

You should be dodging more but not really missing more

Vacuum Slash was 30% accuracy but that's because of an accident and I already fixed it ages ago

I swapped the acc with power so it was missing a ton but doing insane damage

[celest kindle]

Ye Vacuum Slash should be fixed if you're on latest MQ

Which is 1.0.8 rn btw

[hollow trail]

it was fixed much earlier but yea

[native garden]

|| https://youtu.be/IDHSt7HvFC0?si=-7I7jb_T-hjHESxn|| A sad story between 2 dance partners

[celest kindle]

A Controlling partner and a Dependent partner

Ouch

[native garden]

Crude jokes besides, that fight just drags. And I wish i didn’t bring Akihiko because of his ice weakness

[celest kindle]

I ain't joking abt anything

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/kostik-gif-8754649581710441197

[hollow trail]

You keep shitting on the mod over and over dude and it's actually kinda annoying because you consistently keep making gameplay mistakes

It dragging on is literally on you my guy

It's genuinely destructive criticism

[steel nebula]

Beat Hermit. Mothman + Makarakarn. Not much to say!

I wasn't thinking ahead though and got rid of Aki's Elec Break, so I Be Blue V'd that back.

I'm sure another persona learns it but I couldn't be bothered to look it up.

[hollow trail]

Elec Break doesn't really have that much use I don't think

He has access to superior phys skills

Mitsuru's Ice Break has more use but even that is niche

[iron pilot]

Technically you need either if you want to shock/freeze anything with null/drain/repel of the element in question

Yeah that uh, that's a thing

[native garden]

The Dance Partners is one of the more annoying mini bosses to be fair. And I would also like to add that later in the series of videos I’ve actually gotten used to the changes in MQ. I don’t think I tried to start planning ahead until the 2nd half of Tartarus Block 3 or the first half of Tartarus Block 4

||https://youtu.be/e7C-soJOWOQ?si=Z_MCQyn5RS46X7LD|| Oh hey, Tanks

[hollow trail]

good play

didn't have to be so conservative with theurgy tho, you were playing it quite safe

[native garden]

I kinda had no choice to play it safe because I didn’t have access to Mediarama. So, divine grace media was the way to go. Plus Marakukaja to make sure I can out heal the damage

Also, I really wanted to make sure I destroyed the tank parts before their turn or otherwise one of them will use Samarecarm(or something like that).

[native garden]

@celest kindle

[celest kindle]

Niiiiice

Was somewhat close to my time

Abt 3 mins difference

[steel nebula]

Oh I'm definitely replacing it as soon as Aki learns something else. Just for Hermit.

Very fun strat to have Hermit kill itself with Elec Break + reflections tho.

[native garden]

Remind me to share the link to my ||hermit|| video here. After giving it a couple of re-watches, I think I found a weird bug during the fight

And it has nothing to do with the ||hermit||

[native garden]

||https://youtu.be/if_38Np5tUE?si=MTb5HH4p5Uc6Olo9|| Would getting rid of poison be worth it?

[steel nebula]

Took down Strength and Fortune. Resist Strike, which I originally obtained from Genbu for Chariot and Justice, came in handy again. That and seeing Strength's Rebellion -> Mobius Rondo pattern pretty much negated any threat I felt.

Only got Fortune's "300 to all" once. Yippee.

Reload's inevitable downward difficulty curve is beginning to show, even with MQ's changes. I didn't prepare for this full moon at all like previous ones. Just one reset to swap my characters.

But it's good. I'm doing a very casual playthrough. Direct control and no Monad Passages. I know that if I wanted a challenge, those would provide it. It's been fun.

[iron pilot]

That's predetermined

Mostly the AI in this fight wasn't changed that much

[steel nebula]

Ah, I had a suspicion. This game loves to lie.

[west swift]

monad passages don't really even provide a challenge in vanilla haha they're just a free XP source

also though I don't think MQ was explicitly designed with the goal of making the game harder, that's more on the memento mori mod to my understanding

[dreamy orchid]

you can get the 300 damage to everyone multiple times in the MQ version

iirc it happened to me one attempt and instakilled yukari both times

[west swift]

I hate when my copy of p3k installs Yukari multiple times 😔

[steel nebula]

Yeah, the changes don't go too far, but it does describe itself as providing a "fresh and tougher gameplay experience."

[dreamy orchid]

don't bully me im tired 😭

[iron pilot]

Yeah although from my understanding it's not exactly (chance of not getting it at all)

[steel nebula]

In my experience playing base Reload, I found the Monad Passage bosses more difficult than the full moon bosses, if only because the full moon ones are gimmicky.

[iron pilot]

The passage ones have some funny ideas but they get nuked by Theurgia more often than not

The best ones probably the samurai ones

Or the snake and towers that does poison

By virtue of being able to take a hit

[dreamy orchid]

Yeah i had one run where none of the offensive effects happened and then another where my party kept dying to them

Its one of the few bosses i replayed after beating just to try and optimise the run

And I didn't want the recording to just be youtuber luck to make it look easier than it actually is

[iron pilot]

I always tend to post the shitty run for that lmao

Except when it actually matters I guess

[dreamy orchid]

well my issue was the first run was too good and then i wasn't satisifed with the one after that

[hollow trail]

@iron pilot @steel nebula it's not predetermined

i made the roulette full pure rng in mq

[iron pilot]

Wot, I thought you get at least one 300 there even with that change

That's what I meant

[hollow trail]

Anyhow yes the point isn't super hard bullshit™️ like MM

it's vanilla+ challenge just making more use of the game's own mechanics, so naturally it'll have some easyish moments

[iron pilot]

The highlights are more on the revamped bossfights

[hollow trail]

I did Priestess godborn btw and it's pretty decent

but I'm not doing any more until episode aigis

[iron pilot]

I need a month to finish smt v and I somehow think it won't be enough

Lmaoooo

[celest kindle]

Don't some of them give gear/crafting material?

[native garden]

Or don’t get decked by 300 scripted damage by being very lucky

happened in my recorded take of that fight…which I won it on my first try

[native garden]

Some give you items you could sell for some cash, others maybe a base crafting material? I don’t remember but a lot of the monad bosses aren’t very memorable for the right reasons anyways

[hollow trail]

imagine i just made it so it would always do the 300 if a party member was at the threshold where it would kill

healbot extravaganza

[celest kindle]

What if you made the kill icon actually kill everyone so loss due to bullshit was a real possibility

[native garden]

Strength and Fortune torture

[native garden]

That’s the same issue I gotten but I’m gonna post the first run of it anyways just to be like “this is what happened during my laid back playthrough of Persona 3 Reload: Master Quest.”

If I’ve gotten a strength and fortune run on my first take where I got the worst RNG possible and still won, I would’ve posted it regardless. Unless ShadowPlay decided to crap itself mid recording

[native garden]

No Monad passages? Idk how that would make the game harder (in a way that doesn’t pull your hair out). You’ll miss out on some tarot cards, exp, and a request from Elizabeth for something way late into the game

[native garden]

In vanilla reload, I can see why the difficulty curve can start going downhill. As for MQ reload, I don’t want to spoil it for yet but uh…don’t get too cocky

[iron pilot]

Chernobog and friends

[native garden]

We don’t talk about Chernobog in this household

[iron pilot]

You can solo the final day with a good stock so it really should be fine

[native garden]

Probably. Then again, I had to do the final boss 3x bc of issues with my screen capture recording

[iron pilot]

I think I did it double digits while testing

[native garden]

Like 20+ times?

[iron pilot]

Maybe

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-fair-enough-gif-26167449

[iron pilot]

I could stream it now technically

[native garden]

Technically? Did you lose your save file by a chance or???

[iron pilot]

Nah I just have no reason to

Plus I have archives of saves in this thread lol

[native garden]

Shiiiit, I wouldn’t have to worry about making my own backups during my playthrough

[native garden]

|| https://youtu.be/OIBVcTlIXUI?si=QVbpPGkeFwuZN-Xb|| Don’t say this shadow’s name 3x or it will appear in your room at 3AM

[hollow trail]

The kill icon is 100% guaranteed no matter what

the animation for the safe icon is literally not in the game files

[hollow trail]

you struggled with end game? curious

[native garden]

Some of The Adamah Tartarus guardians gave me a hard time. As well as the final boss bc there was an instance where I get stunlocked practically (I have it on recording). I would much rather let the footage speak for itself late September to early October

Oh yea, the humanoid bosses before ||Hanged Man|| I got stuck on for a while. Then I won after changing my party members around but, anyone watching the footage of that fight might assume I had a really bad day

[native garden]

|| https://youtu.be/ioC5G7SKUOc?si=0uAuqQVMSLqoVEBD|| Remember the tower looking boss from the original P3? This is the tower looking boss now

[celest kindle]

Is that the boss that is also a regular enemy with Strike weakness

[native garden]

I think so? Maybe it had a different color

[hollow trail]

"annoying slog" and they're literally oneshottable 😭 be fr

dude you scan with fuuka then hit the resists anyway

[native garden]

I had a really bad day when recording that fight. Especially when one of the fights I had to redo because my screen capture went on the fritz

[dreamy orchid]

Akihiko with Sonic Punch and Junpei spamming into resist

seriously though you just went in there with bad personas and no gameplan lol

[native garden]

it was back to back fights. And I don’t get Tartarus escape until November

[dreamy orchid]

Should've fused better smh..#

[native garden]

The result would’ve been the same. Anyways, Tartarus Block 3.5 bosses done. That means switching to a different theme replacement for Master of Tartarus and ||Hermit|| is next

[native garden]

|| https://youtu.be/es8x2owunZY?si=wgi65HvbVtRFgb20|| Party like it’s 2009. Let’s bring ze Hause Musik yah?

Also, this boss did make me go from really salty to scratching my head

[native garden]

|| https://youtu.be/2I3xKINI8TY?si=Nik1ZtzH2dHGpItT|| New Block, New Backdrop, New BGM replacement

[native garden]

|| https://youtu.be/EkvLPQsMYIM?si=4tQzm7tRWSwZti2S|| Never fight bosses at 6 in the morning

[hollow trail]

• doesnt use tarukaja
• doesn't use rakunda
• lets the enemy spam 100% rakukaja + tarunda uptime
• uses obsolete personas
• heals with attackers
• uses bloody charge but then heals shinjiro making him lose all theurgia charge

we slogging with this one 🔥

[iron pilot]

Isn't this one best with a magic setup

King and I Black Frost at least

And if you're really lucky, Quetzacoatl with Ice Amp

[dreamy orchid]

mutate ice amp early like a boss

what is bro's equips though

yukari without wind boost is crazy

[native garden]

I showed that at the start of the video

[native garden]

I didn’t bother going for accessories like those until that one fight that in November. You know, the one everyone is disappointed by in vanilla

[native garden]

Sleep Deprived + 4(ish) hours of sleep

[dreamy orchid]

you need to get better at building my friend

[native garden]

And I did that really late in the game. Like during Adamah. And the 2nd half of Harabah

Some of the footage were recorded here before I started asking for build advice

Which is advice I hardly ask for bc I really wanted to avoid spoilers

[iron pilot]

You technically can get Siegfried next month

Lmfao

[dreamy orchid]

i see you running like unboosted agilao when you could have boosted agidyne by this point

[native garden]

Didn’t feel like leveling myself a lot. Or overleveling myself they say

[native garden]

Just wait until ||Strength & Fortune|| bc I got the best RNG possible

[native garden]

I think that was because I was trying to beat the guardians first before fusing personas for some reason. I am not sure why I went for that looking back. Prolly was feeling jaded about something. I just don’t know what

[iron pilot]

Dude I'd just kill Strength immediately

With a funny combo

[native garden]

Does that combo involve Junpei by a chance?

[iron pilot]

We can freeze them now and I don't see how that won't be used

[native garden]

Ohh…I only got 1 freeze and yea I ain’t getting the funny 1 shot 1 kill

[potent fog]

is there a changelist for this mod that has complete number values and/or a more in depth list of what is actually changed for everything that's listed? I wanted to try this out for a second playthrough since I felt like the vanilla game got way too easy in the last few months, but since the changelist doesn't actually specify the specific amounts or alterations for a lot of the things listed, I can't tell if it'll be something I enjoy or not.

also i have no idea what "level scaling has been removed" means, im not familiar how the vanilla game's skill calculation works on anything but the surface level. how would that change how the game plays compared to regular persona games?

[iron pilot]

Basically only stats matter on damage calcs

Before there was a level scaling factor that depends on the difference between the player and the target and vice versa

[potent fog]

ok so how much of a difference does not having that scaling make on combat? would it basically mean that everything has more or less the same level of health and/or damage the whole game?

like not necessarily the literal numbers, just that everything would more or less do the same damage or take the same damage to kill the whole game, just with increasingly bigger numbers?

[iron pilot]

It just makes it so players can't do too much damage because they overlevel

And you can't even overlevel because there's soft level caps throughout the game

[potent fog]

yeah i saw the 4 level xp cap, even if i don't end up using a rebalance for my next playthrough I'm gonna use a mod to prevent gaining xp from anything lower level than you since overleveling by just playing and progressing normally was a big issue i found. I just have never really been great with the actual math of these kinds of games when it's abstracted or not clarified directly, so its hard to always wrap my head around how things would be affected without seeing the actual changes

like if a game tells me something does 10 damage or whatever i can understand that, but even if it's something as simple as "this does 20% of your attack stat" it can be really hard for me to keep track of how it's all actually working, especially with stuff like buffs or modifiers

[iron pilot]

Yeah majority don't really think too much of the details

[potent fog]

i guess the main thing i was wondering about other than some of the specific number changes is how different Akihiko's moveset is, since the page says it's basically a complete overhaul but doesn't seem to actually say what was changed

other than him getting debilitate from koro

[iron pilot]

Oh that has a list here

[dreamy orchid]

Zio 40 Innate
Dia 155 Innate
Sonic Punch 133 Innate
Mazio 43 Innate
Tarunda 190 Lv15
Shock Boost 819 Lv17
Sukukaja 182 Lv21
Diarama 156 Lv24
Zionga 41 Lv28
Auto-Tarukaja 825 Lv30
Elec Boost 804 Lv32
Elec Break 223 Lv35
Gigantic Fist 127 Lv39
Mazionga 44 Lv42
Single-Target Boost 896 Lv44
Matarunda 195 Lv46
Masukukaja 187 Lv50
Ziodyne 42 Lv54
High Counter 781 Lv56
Charge 205 Lv57
Diarahan 157 Lv58
Evade Ice 768 Lv62
Evade Strike 762 Lv64
Maziodyne 45 Lv67
God's Hand 131 Lv72
Debilitate 198 Lv73
Elec Amp 805 Lv75

[potent fog]

oh nice, is it under that last pinned message?

[iron pilot]

There ya go

[potent fog]

i missed that there was stuff further down that goes into a bit more detail than the mod page in pins

oh thanks

[iron pilot]

He got buffed so hard to just be on par with people

Lmfao

[dreamy orchid]

he's pretty good now

[potent fog]

what are the numbers in between the skills and level learned? are those just the skill ids in the files

[dreamy orchid]

those are ids yea

sorry i was copy pasting meovv's original message and couldn't be bothered removing them

[iron pilot]

Helps me because I have to manually change his skillset when testing the mod then

Majority of the changes comes from Shinjiro like Charge, High Counter and Debilitate (technically)

Single Target Boost is the more unique one

[dreamy orchid]

high counter and debilitate do fit him character-wise too

like as a person, not just a gameplay mechanic

[iron pilot]

And the evade passives (he a boxer)

[dreamy orchid]

raging tiger when

[potent fog]

no worries lol

[iron pilot]

Oh yeah Meovv removed the evasion cap

[potent fog]

oh i didnt even know that was a thing in vanilla, so you can just never get hit if you get enough agility and passive skills?

[iron pilot]

More or less

[potent fog]

i thought this was supposed to be a challenge mode lol, id assume it's nowhere near as simple to obtain that much dodge in practice though

[iron pilot]

You're sacrificing a lot of stuffs just for that

I never really aimed for that much evasion

[dreamy orchid]

the only real practical effect of the change is that now sukukaja is better endgame when you have ali dance

you can go way out of your way for maximising evasion now too but its generally too much work to be worth it

[potent fog]

makes sense, i figured there wasn't just an easy way to become god moded lmao. that does remind me of a really fun darkest dungeon team comp where you bring a team of two antiquarians, a man at arms and graverobber (basically all characters that have both high base dodge chance and moves that buff either themselves or the party to dodge better) and with the characters leveled enough and with the right gear you can just no-u practically anything lmao

[iron pilot]

If you're good at fusing, you'll be more than fine

That's the main intent of the mod, it abides to, more or less, vanilla design but having restrictions that people more in tune with gameplay can play around with

[dreamy orchid]

anything you could god mode with the evasion changes you could also god mode by just... nulling the element

[potent fog]

i am meh at fusing lol, i feel like i usually know what kinda moves i want but i can never really afford to summon and get them onto the personas i need them on

i just kinda try to have all elemental attacks spread out among my group and one with decent resistances and ideally useful moves to stay as my active one when i dont need the others' specific skills

[iron pilot]

I guess here's your chance to improve on that lol

[dreamy orchid]

just make sure to stack damage boosting passives and don't be weak to what the boss uses and you'll be more than fine lol

also build an auto-kaja persona lmao

[potent fog]

yeah i usually try to put those onto whatever i have with the most resists, though again getting all the kajas on one dude is a total pain if i can't afford to buy the right stuff to fuse it up lmao

[iron pilot]

You can be more efficient about it

Fusion calcs help a lot for that

[dreamy orchid]

i only end up using calc when i want a specific persona tbh rather than for fusion paths

i think you can get enough from skill cards and the basic inheritance you do have to where complicated paths aren't necessary for most stuff

[potent fog]

yeah ive been using those a lot more in my last few persona/smt playthroughs, super useful

[iron pilot]

Yeah all I'm saying is if you want to not waste money then that's where you go

[dreamy orchid]

oh yeah for sure

or just like, don't waste money on other stuff lol

buying items is grief in master quest so you should be able to save quite a bit of money lol

[potent fog]

what do igor and the attendants even need money for lmao. ik it's a gameplay mechanic and a lot of the rpg stuff just makes zero logical sense (like wtf is shuffle time in-universe) but that one in particular is really funny to me. they are not making the protag's difficult coming of age journeys any easier on their ass haha

[dreamy orchid]

how do you think elizabeth can afford to drop all those coins in the fountain?

[iron pilot]

They apparently could just do shit for free but they think services should have prices

PQ moment

[potent fog]

i mean i guess that makes sense since they're in some way part of the collective unconcious like shadows, might be why shadows drop money and stuff too. Given it's more or less the most prevalent system of barter for humans and has been that way for centuries now, i'm not surprised that beings that reflect our psyche are tied to one of the most prominent parts of society. that and, again, video game moment lol

[hollow trail]

I didn't really make numbers public on the mod page itself because mods like this are prone to attract metagamers who aren't actually familiar with meta, which results in a lot of bogus feedback. I wanted the experience to be as Atlus-like as possible while still having the freshness of challenge. I think I succeeded in some parts and could've done better in others, but big updates will have to wait until The Answer releases

Level scaling is a multiplier on damage caused by the level difference between the attacker and defender. Similar to SMTV: Vengeance, the mod removed this scaling, making it so that Strength/Magic VS Endurance is the main thing taken into consideration. This lets you do things at a lower level without artificial punishment, and in reverse, also doesn't make you overpowered from being high level. In addition, the player gains no XP if they are 4 or more levels above the enemy.

Akihiko's skill list, which you already read, was a substantial boost to his skills as all our simulations and calculations had him underperform severely. He's a bit of a single-target specialist now.

The mod is a challenge mode yes, but it also introduces some mechanical tweaks that allow the player to perform with increased variety. A lot of bosses were fully immune to Freezing and Shocking for example, and I selected a few to have that vulnerability so that you could pair Mitsuru with a physical attacker to build a team synergy. Evasion goes both ways, the enemy in theory could also seriously boost their own evasiveness. I recently found out how to change the effects of buffs separately for the player and the enemy, so I might take that into consideration for the next update.

I find like more options and variety doesn't remove challenge from the game, especially since a lot of your damaging options are nerfed, these synergies are a nice and dynamic way to "gain" that damage "back"

@iron pilot shio and i found out you can make almighty crit

I'm changing Mitsuru's ult theurgy to Recalcitrant Execution

[iron pilot]

If it can be buffed damage wise too that'd be fine

[hollow trail]

the crit isn't enough to make it relevant?

• aoe?

[iron pilot]

Well....yeah I'd still just go for freeze and make a phys user crit

[potent fog]

nice, i figured that it was either something like that or just because you weren't finished with tweaking them yet. Also yeah i didn't mean to seem like i was complaining about the dodge thing, just found it funny since iirc that's not ever been a thing in an official smt style game. I agree that I vastly prefer variety even if it can sometimes result in things being easier in some ways, i feel one of the major weaknesses of jrpgs is often not really having enough varied ways to play that are all fairly evenly viable, or that the game is so easy that everything is viable but little of it is really fun or engaging

[iron pilot]

Might be better idea on something that nulls freeze skmehow though

[hollow trail]

welllllllll

here's the thing

p3r dodge is capped to 50%, so basically all boosts makes you 50% likely to evade everything

which is already pretty high

realistically you wouldn't reach this point

i havent been able to yet

and im pretty sure p5r doesn't have this cap either

[iron pilot]

Magic ability doesn't boost almighty stuffs so it doesn't seem like a great idea

Unless....

Wait I have idea

[hollow trail]

The theurgies I want to maybe improve somewhat are:

• Best Friends
• Trickster
• Blade of Execution
• Hound of Hades
• Divine Retribution

i'd say cadenza, but cadenza is actually used early

[west swift]

cadenza is in a good spot imo

[iron pilot]

Cadenza is actually good if heals are kinda expensive

Fr

[hollow trail]

yeah cadenza is buffed by nature in mq

i used it as main healing option for a while

[iron pilot]

I didn't make any healers in vanilla because of that one tbh

[hollow trail]

yeah its busted

does divine grace affect it

not grace

the heal x2 one

[iron pilot]

Nah

Also yeah it's Divine Grace

[hollow trail]

what if i made it be affected by it

[celest kindle]

Divine Grace isn't the only Heal Booster?

[celest kindle]

Healing Protagonist OP build possible now

[hollow trail]

angelic grace is for evasion

confusing name

[iron pilot]

Would be funny

However

[hollow trail]

wdym possible "now", i mained a healer orobas in vanilla

[dreamy orchid]

i didn't use cadenza much but that's probably because i just like prioritising offense

[iron pilot]

Lucifer with Salvation's the goat

[hollow trail]

healer mc is funny as fuck because it lets you take 3 phys party members

[dreamy orchid]

i do that regardless

[potent fog]

oh yeah by the bosses having smarter ai, does that mean they're more likely to actually try and target weaknesses and/or kill you outright instead of going for another healthier party member?

[hollow trail]

depends on the boss but geeeeenerally

yes

not always, that would be unfair

[potent fog]

yeah i figured, just wondered if that was part of it at all or not touched from vanilla

[hollow trail]

what they will also do sometimes is buff each other or have very severe punishes when they get one more

[iron pilot]

The main bosses are the only ones touched atm

[dreamy orchid]

they generally have tools they didn't have in vanilla too

[hollow trail]

yeah its just main bosses

[dreamy orchid]

chidori the best glowup fr

[hollow trail]

right chidori is an actual boss now

tartarus guardians are harder by nature because of everything else, but 2.0 will likely include some guardians

i need to see if it's even worth editing their ai

they're honestly designed better than the main ones

[iron pilot]

The 1/31 ones are buffed pretty hard the final one is actually worthy to fight at level 99 (but you don't have to be 99)

[potent fog]

i did see that part, makes sense. those were really the only bosses i had that much of an issue with for being too easy comparatively anyways, the floor guardians all felt fairly appropriate for when i fought them

[dreamy orchid]

nah bro tartarus guardians are easier because we have HAXMAN now fr

[celest kindle]

Tbh most of the guardians felt a lot harder thanks to MQ

[dreamy orchid]

but yeah generally everything in the game is harder

[hollow trail]

tell that to jet!!!!!

[dreamy orchid]

but only main bosses are touched design-wise

[celest kindle]

I actually died on Tartarus Guardians with MQ lol

More than once even

[iron pilot]

I beat the final boss at around....93?

I forgot

I was solo yoo

[hollow trail]

Doors said this and I think I agree, a lot of the game is "fine" with MQ, and where things get really crazy is January 31st

[dreamy orchid]

the main issues in my playthrough was mostly me trying to get the tactics AI to work in my favour to middling results

[celest kindle]

Changing their AI could be cool to have every boss enemy be that little bit more challenging but way it is now is perfectly serviceable tbh

[hollow trail]

the endgame bosses are very tuned

[iron pilot]

Oh it was 90

[celest kindle]

I'll see if i get there to give an informed opinion

[hollow trail]

bro fucking lowlevelled MQ

chad

[potent fog]

fist few full moons were kinda challenging but after a few months pretty much all the main story bosses were sleepwalks, not to mention stuff like fighting Nyx after getting to crazy high level from fighting the reaper twice since I killed it once before Liz's request and didn't know the item doesn't drop lol. that really screwed any difficulty from that point on since my whole crew were all like mid 90s

[dreamy orchid]

now i'll do it at 70 to spite him

[iron pilot]

Yeah it's really just about knowing what you need to have build wise

And you'll win

[potent fog]

oh im talking about vanilla, not mq. haven't tried this mod yet but it's what im gonna use for my second playthrough

[hollow trail]

if you have the endurance, you can probably do it

nyx hits like a fucking truck

[dreamy orchid]

ken will die in one hit but its okay

[hollow trail]

GUYS ACTUALLY

[celest kindle]

Doors do <80 MQ Run

[hollow trail]

this is relevant

the wiki taught me something

can you believe that for the past 4 years

[celest kindle]

High Counter 50%

[hollow trail]

i was fully convinced buffs had a duration cap of 6 turns

[dreamy orchid]

cus of the base model duplication i could technically get ali dance for everyone with ease if i get messiah

[hollow trail]

its fucking 15

how did i not know this

[celest kindle]

They have a duration cap?

[hollow trail]

thats why doors spams heat riser in his solo videos

[iron pilot]

Yeah

[hollow trail]

yeah you use a buff on yourself, it's 3 turns, then +3, +3, +3 until 15

i thought it was 6

[dreamy orchid]

me personally, i just spam heat riser for the love of the game

[potent fog]

oh yeah did you change the weird bad half health dark and light skills to be not totally useless? id assume so but i dont remember that being specified

[hollow trail]

i was always wondering why doors spammed it

[iron pilot]

In P5R it was 9

[dreamy orchid]

you should change the bad light/dark skills to have a chance of instakill instead of dealing damage fr

[celest kindle]

Half Health Light/Dark?

[hollow trail]

Uh no I didn't change them because there's nothing you can really "add" to them that Mudo/Eiha and Hama/Kouha haven't already done

[dreamy orchid]

mark don't even know they exist lmaoooo

[celest kindle]

Do tell

I might see em idk

Which skills

[dreamy orchid]

god's judgement!

[hollow trail]

Divine Judgment and Dark Decree or whatever are skills that make the enemy lose 50% of their HP

instead of instakill

[celest kindle]

This is the first i hear of magic that takes health

[hollow trail]

so they're shit

literally

[celest kindle]

Oh those

[potent fog]

yeah that's fair, the best change ive seen people do is just make them the dark and light severe single target spells but idk if you've just already buffed the third tiers to be on par with fourth tiers of the other magic lines

[celest kindle]

I had neither of them so that's why I didn't know

[dreamy orchid]

justice fusion spell !!

tbh bro

severe light/dark would not have any practical use case

[hollow trail]

light and dark got nerfed in MQ actually

[iron pilot]

Yeah I didn't build any of those two elements lmfao

[hollow trail]

vanilla game had them stronger than their equivalents

for no real reason

[celest kindle]

Tbh Light and Dark's main gimmick was instakill

[dreamy orchid]

nah i think they are justifiably stronger

[potent fog]

yeah that is a good point, just kinda two extra spell types that don't have any ailment attatched haha

[hollow trail]

how so

[dreamy orchid]

its to distinct them from agi/garu lines and bufu/zio lines

[celest kindle]

The addition of damage dealing light and dark is alright but it just feels weird to have them ALONG instakill light-dark

[hollow trail]

ok so agi/garu gets to be dogshit and bufu/zio get to be goated

[dreamy orchid]

agi/garu are lowest sp cost, bufu/zio are higher cost for ailment and kouha/eiha are higher cost for higher damage

[potent fog]

i remember some games have had them do damage but also have a chance to instakill, i feel like that's the happy medium

[dreamy orchid]

i think kouha eiha doing more damage is fine because they are already worse than instakills by default so i think they need something extra to justify their existence

[hollow trail]

if only i could add dracostrikes!!!!!!

[celest kindle]

P5 and some Megaten have them being damage dealing

[dreamy orchid]

agi skills aren't competing against better fire skills

[potent fog]

kind of a mix between the non ailment magic and shock/freeze, still has a chance at a useful secondary effect but presumably way lower chance than shock/freeze

[celest kindle]

P5, SMTV and SMTIVA iirc

[hollow trail]

actually dracostrike in P3R is a fucking terrible idea

forget i said anything

[celest kindle]

But I'd keep em instakill only personally

[dreamy orchid]

no crits

smtv hama/mudo is so shit

[hollow trail]

elemental phys skills, even without crit

it's HP cost anub

[iron pilot]

Nah it's goated

[potent fog]

nah in p5 they were still seperate skills, in smtv iirc the damaging ones and the instakill ones are the same

[dreamy orchid]

i think hp cost anub is bad because recovering small sp amounts is easier than hp costs because of invigorate being proportionally stronger than regenerate

[potent fog]

i could be totally wrong though, i started playing vengeance but haven't picked it back up in a few weeks

[hollow trail]

yes hama is damage with chance of insta on weakness

in smt

[dreamy orchid]

p1 hama goated fr

[celest kindle]

Some games do have them being instakill only though i think

It is like that in IV

Not sure about the ones before

[potent fog]

doesn't door to hades from thanatos' p5 dlc version have a damaging dark spell that has instakill chance

[hollow trail]

yes but not "on weakness"

which is the important part

[potent fog]

ah ok, makes sense

[dreamy orchid]

sinful shell in p3r also does that

[hollow trail]

wishing i had a way to create a new encounter in the table

i wanna make a custom boss for MQ, not just an edited one

[iron pilot]

Wanna see green?

https://youtu.be/i833DixKR4c?feature=shared

[hollow trail]

i wanted to make a Shin Elizabeth that summoned cognitive stregas and sees members or something

[celest kindle]

Doors mog Liz again

[potent fog]

oh yeah speaking of thanatos, is ghastly wail any more viable in master quest than vanilla? I've always loved the concept of the fear instakills and they're fucking awesome from an aesthetic standpoint but they're all kind of total shit to pull off in practice lmao

[celest kindle]

Are entire battles not possible on Reload still?

Like entirely new battles

[hollow trail]

you're 20% more likely to hit ailments on merciless in MQ so technically

[potent fog]

ill take what i can get haha

[dreamy orchid]

meovv

all bosses null fear

literally all of them, including tartarus guardians

[hollow trail]

even guardians?

[dreamy orchid]

yes

[celest kindle]

Not true

Wait...

[hollow trail]

you can IK guardians though

i have

[celest kindle]

Nah I'm misrembering

[dreamy orchid]

yes but they all null fear

[potent fog]

it's so funny that ghastly wail is super bad in the rpgs but they're both Adachi and Liz's command grab supers in arena ultimax and they're fucking cracked there lmao. fueled my craving for them to be good in the mainline games even more

[dreamy orchid]

its to prevent them from running away lmao

[hollow trail]

guess i will be changing that in 2.0

[celest kindle]

You can IK but not with Ghastly Wail i think

[hollow trail]

making them run away sounds funny as fuck im ngl

you lose on xp

your problem

[dreamy orchid]

remember when fear used to guarantee crits? good times.

[hollow trail]

actually wait

omg

[celest kindle]

Freeze

[hollow trail]

that would be such a fucking strat

you know how speedruns use the guardian skip

[dreamy orchid]

no fear was reusable guaranteed crits

[hollow trail]

to multiply xp on hermit

[iron pilot]

Yeah

[hollow trail]

what if MQ added that but legitimately, with fear

you make them run and dont get xp

lol

[dreamy orchid]

i think its kind of a dumb idea

very funny tho

[hollow trail]

yeah no i mean it as a funny

[iron pilot]

Midsuru with fatal end op

[dreamy orchid]

give shinjiro back evil smile

its viable.

[celest kindle]

It'd make you want to gamble with ailments less

[iron pilot]

Could also give it to Mitsuru later like how Akihiko gets charge

Now everyone has something from Shinjiro

[dreamy orchid]

and similar to charge, evil smile is also useless

[hollow trail]

not really, and editing the current ones is a bit tricky because the game will crash if you spawn enemies in arenas that are already full

in the case of nyx and elizabeth, the limit is quite literally one enemy

[dreamy orchid]

it works out perfectly

[iron pilot]

Nah charge is goated (it gives 10% theurgia)

[dreamy orchid]

only amada inherits the good from shinjiro while the others inherit the evil

[dreamy orchid]

i won't lie that's not worth using a turn on besides for like the final boss maybe

[celest kindle]

Oof

P3R modding once again tech limited 😔

[hollow trail]

actually

[celest kindle]

Any chance of the Joker fight releasing making it easier?

[hollow trail]

i only tried making nyx summon the fortune roulette

i never tried adding an enemy natively outright

[potent fog]

oh yeah did you change shinji at all besides the global skill changes? i was considering using the mod that lets you keep him all game just for fun, but if he's still mostly overtuned in comparison to the rest of the group like vanilla then i probably wont

[hollow trail]

but i'd want to do it with summons anyway

so

[celest kindle]

Shinji is unchanged

[hollow trail]

Shinji in MQ is untouched because I strongly hold the opinion he's supposed to be a temporary power trip for story reasons

[celest kindle]

He can do very funny damage

[hollow trail]

like a breather where everything is smooth

[celest kindle]

Still cannot forget how he casually did 1.2k~ damage when i was fighting Hermit in MQ

[hollow trail]

did you stack shit

[celest kindle]

I think not?

If i did it was 2 bloody charges

I sent the video here but it is a little far back atp

[potent fog]

oh yeah obviously, i just think it's a cool idea to make him more in line with the rest of the party members in an unofficial capacity. like the game would be a thousand times worse if it let you keep him somehow for real, but modding him to be more like a normal party member just to have another option is cool to me idk. it's less bad to me than stuff like the third semester phantom thieves because at least with Shinji you more or less get to take advantage of his entire kit and have fun with it before he's gone, with those two you don't even get access to their third awakening until there's nothing left to fight and Akechi's unique move is literally useless on the boss lmao

[hollow trail]

i get ya

i find it funny how mjolnir is absolutely fucking useless

you can only really get it in NG+ ,and by then it's useless

and the mc cant use it anymore

[potent fog]

it's there to jebait ya, though shinji gear was useful in FES

[hollow trail]

i want to look into protagonist weapons but i really dont see it ever happening

code and animation nightmare

[potent fog]

i really miss that being an option, i ran hammers on my MC in my FES playthrough in his honor, and also because the animation was awesome haha

[celest kindle]

Does MC also headbutt things like him in FES

[iron pilot]

That's literally what I did in FES lmfao

[iron pilot]

Nah

[potent fog]

seems to be pretty universal lol

[celest kindle]

Did you headbutt in FES

[celest kindle]

Awwwww

Lame

[dreamy orchid]

if only tactics AI facilitated this 😔

instead i had to put up with him dealing less damage than fucking ken

[hollow trail]

didnt i fix that already

[dreamy orchid]

10/10 though would still use him over aigis

well the fix also had some issues iirc and you didn't push it in the main download

if possible i think it'd be good to make him always use bloody charge if he doesn't have charge

so even tactics can abuse theurgia

[potent fog]

are the crafting materials and drop rates you need to craft the ultimate weapons and gear still the same as vanilla? i remember the drop rate for those things being insanely low and you need so many to craft them that it seems like they're practically unobtainable without tons of grinding

[iron pilot]

It's the same but you can duplicate materials

[dreamy orchid]

they're the same but you can infinitely duplicate base models now instead of skill cards

[potent fog]

oh right, i saw that in the changelist on my first read but forgor until now haha

[iron pilot]

So you just need one copy of dead Moon husk

[dreamy orchid]

means you're guaranteed to be able to get all endgame equips if you care enough

[celest kindle]

Materials are about the same amount as easy to obtain and crafting bases are easier to have now

[potent fog]

is it the same thing as skill card dupe, just for materials instead? like going to the inari shrine

[celest kindle]

Yeah

[dreamy orchid]

yea

skill card duplication was removed for it tho

[celest kindle]

I need to use that feature tbh lol

So far only reason i have for it is to pray 100 times

[dreamy orchid]

although you still gotta fuse messiah like 15 times

actually how many times was it doors

[potent fog]

nice, ill miss skill card dupes because im a horrible gremlin who hates having to permanently commit to using them haha, but yeah that's probably for the best balance wise and i'll gladly accept better access to the endgame gear

[hollow trail]

Erm... Ruby grinding!!! Bad game design!!!

[celest kindle]

You get plenty of cards from AOA

You'll be fine

[dreamy orchid]

just fight the enemies and you'll never run out

ez

[celest kindle]

Also be mindful of how many you use

[iron pilot]

Just summon with compendium bro

Also it's I believe 14? Forgot

[celest kindle]

Don't wanna have too little

[dreamy orchid]

personally, i love grinding

[celest kindle]

Epix resour managment

[potent fog]

oh yeah its definitely irrational, i had so many of those things left over by the end of the game that i never used haha

[celest kindle]

Oh so did i it's okay

[dreamy orchid]

tbf, most skill cards are also just not actually useful

[hollow trail]

This but actually

You said fighting enemies in MQ is useless but after rush-beating the guardians I'd always grind until all my party members were fully exhausted

it was a nice routine

[dreamy orchid]

i do it because i get bored otherwise

[celest kindle]

Skill Cards aren't not useful they're just kinda hard to apply

[dreamy orchid]

i don't think materials are that hard to come by tho

[celest kindle]

You can use them for building but if you're not thinking about building you will forget about them

[potent fog]

i dont mind a little grinding as long as it's not for some super low chance rng item drop, that just makes it feel so much less fun somehow than just the abstract goal of leveling. you can just quit whenever you feel like you're done for levels but you can't do the same if that stupid item just refuses to spawn

[dreamy orchid]

you can probably just open chests and do monad doors and you'll have enough

[celest kindle]

You might have to grind for some of the more valuable materials but otherwise yeah

Monad and Chests def got you covered

[dreamy orchid]

most of them you actually will get from liz requests lol

[celest kindle]

Isn't Monad guaranteed materials too?

[potent fog]

that's fair, and again item dupe. plus you can still trade in most of the materials at the antique store too, just not the very highest quality ones

[dreamy orchid]

yes

[celest kindle]

Tbf Item Dupe is restricted to base models

But that's still powerful as long as you have the materials so

Good trade

[potent fog]

oh you cant dupe rubies or husks and stuff?

[dreamy orchid]

you cannot

[celest kindle]

Nah

Only the models necessary for crafting

[hollow trail]

You can dupe husks, not rubies

[potent fog]

aw that's a bit of a bummer, those were the main things that i remember taking ages to find

[dreamy orchid]

oh yeah did you fix that typo in the duping menu

[potent fog]

especially rubies, those felt like practically nonexistent for how damn many you need

[hollow trail]

i did not

[dreamy orchid]

😔

[hollow trail]

are rubies really that rare i feel like i had a fuckton

[celest kindle]

Using DNA to build weapon

[dreamy orchid]

they're not rare at all

[potent fog]

idk i might be misremembering, i just remember something taking a while to get

[iron pilot]

You can be smart about how to grind it

Get gambling fortune and fight only red shadows on adamah

[dreamy orchid]

red shadows in adamah are like guaranteed to drop them, and normal shadows can too

[potent fog]

or just that you can't trade it in with lower level crafting mats at the antique store like the rest

[dreamy orchid]

you can also just

only make the good equipment

surefire way to never run out

[potent fog]

yeah that's true haha, i just like being able to fully kit out my whole party with the best stuff even if they're not all equally good

[dreamy orchid]

most party member's best equips are not the endgame ones anyways

[celest kindle]

I mean honestly besides weapons you're probably not gonna be able to boost yourself all that much

[dreamy orchid]

none of the ult weapons are worth making besides mitsuru and protag's

[potent fog]

even the weapons? it makes sense for stuff like accessories but i assumed those were the best ones

[dreamy orchid]

anything that's not a damage boosting is not really worth using

[celest kindle]

Unless you figure out how to put the Null Fire Vest for Yukari on Mitsuru

[iron pilot]

Do you mean "aren't worth"

[celest kindle]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[dreamy orchid]

unless you really care about ali dance on koro since his damage will be shit either way

[celest kindle]

Double negative

Would mean they are worth making

[potent fog]

that is a good point, i forgot that was the ults passive haha

[dreamy orchid]

seriously though some are just bad

[potent fog]

what even is koro supposed to do, i couldn't really figure it out. like his skills are just so all over the place

[dreamy orchid]

auto-heat riser on akihiko and auto-concentrate on yukari are genuinely wasted passives

[iron pilot]

Crit rate support and AoE charge

[hollow trail]

in master quest he sucks at the moment

[celest kindle]

Dark guy that does support yeah

[iron pilot]

Auto concentrate is good for theurgia building at the start

[hollow trail]

in vanilla he's fucking insane support

[dreamy orchid]

in base game he's a support with decent phys damage, in master quest he's a support with bad phys damage

[celest kindle]

Buff the doggo

[hollow trail]

shio already told me to buff dog i will

[iron pilot]

How

[dreamy orchid]

he is really good in base game though, i'd probably say he's the 2nd best chasracter

[potent fog]

oh damn yeah i mostly used him as support but i felt like Aki just did that stuff better or that i didn't need dedicated support over another offensive member when i could do it myself

[hollow trail]

😬

aki is terrible support

[celest kindle]

I mean Koro is the only one that can flat buff your crits besides protag

[dreamy orchid]

dog really needs something more for mid game and then again at late game ngl bro, he has the worst damage in the entire party rn by a pretty decent margin and especially mid game he is horrible for anything besides being a revolution bot

[hollow trail]

Vorpal Boner

jokes aside

AoE crit specialist

[dreamy orchid]

remove deathbound from junpei (fes reference) and give it to koro

[iron pilot]

So...deathbound

And multi target boost

[hollow trail]

apt pupil multi target boost deathbound

yes

[celest kindle]

Doesn't Junpei only get Blade of Fury

[dreamy orchid]

in fes yes

[celest kindle]

Or did MQ give him Deathbound

[dreamy orchid]

in p3r he gets both

[hollow trail]

OHHHHH I REMEMBER WHY I DIDNT WANT TO BUFF THE DOG

[iron pilot]

Nah he also has Deathbound in Reload

[potent fog]

oh yeah damn i really forgot how little support shit aki has, idk what they were cooking with him in reload lmao

[hollow trail]

YOU TOLD ME TO GIVE HIM HEAVENS BLADE

THATS WHY I SAID NO

[potent fog]

yeah i think i mostly just used my MC for support then

[hollow trail]

[dreamy orchid]

i still think heaven's blade would be hype.

[celest kindle]

Aki has debuffs mainly and the best skill in the game

Sukukaja

[dreamy orchid]

and really fucking funny

[potent fog]

also aigis a bit when she wasn't just dumping phys into stuff

[hollow trail]

Koromichael

okay

tell you what

[potent fog]

didn't really use her SP for much else anyways lol

[iron pilot]

Nah he's my Helel frfr on god

[hollow trail]

if new custom skills becomes possible

I'll give Heaven's Bone to koro

[iron pilot]

I like Heaven's Blade Helel he's goated

[dreamy orchid]

all dogs go to heaven

[hollow trail]

as in a literal skill called Heaven's Bone

[iron pilot]

Boner

[hollow trail]

and its bones instead of swords

[celest kindle]

Even the dark dog goes to heaven

[dreamy orchid]

give him brave blade (episode aigis reference)

[hollow trail]

Brave Boner

[dreamy orchid]

LMAO

[hollow trail]

koromaru challenge

name a persona 3 skill but replace one word with Boner

[iron pilot]

Boner Zapper

[dreamy orchid]

bonerdyne

[celest kindle]

Bone skills get buffed by Koromaru Bone weapon

[hollow trail]

Boner Driver 😔

[dreamy orchid]

Buff Boner

[celest kindle]

God Boner

[iron pilot]

Boner Amp

[potent fog]

honestly i just rotated party members a ton because i liked them all so much, usually tried to just make sure i had a healer and then fuck it we ball with two other damage dealers and just jack of all trades with MC

[hollow trail]

Boner of Hades

[dreamy orchid]

Sinful Boner

[potent fog]

like even koro who i had no idea what to do with really still was fun and put work in

[celest kindle]

Power Boner

[hollow trail]

this thread is fucked

[iron pilot]

Boner Charge

[celest kindle]

Your fault

[dreamy orchid]

FOUL BONER

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-kick-out-purge-now-homer-gif-12685545

[potent fog]

mara moment

[hollow trail]

Bonerbreaker

Sexy Boner

[iron pilot]

Myriad Boners

[hollow trail]

Boner Queen

[dreamy orchid]

Boner and I

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-delete-this-gunpoint-surprise-gif-12114609

[celest kindle]

Somebody start Danganronpa discussion so the MQ forum gets archived

[hollow trail]

NOOOOOOOOO

SCARLET BONER

[dreamy orchid]

BEST BONER

[potent fog]

Herculean Boner

[dreamy orchid]

BONER FRIENDS

JACK BONER

[hollow trail]

it fucking fits too because it's a fucking dog joke

kill me

[potent fog]

is that banned here lmao

[iron pilot]

Acshually it's called Boner Slash (in Japanese)

[celest kindle]

Nah

[potent fog]

bleeding boner

shinji might want to get that one checked

[celest kindle]

But the old P3R channel got archived and the last convo on it was

About Danganronpa

So

[dreamy orchid]

anyways

more importantly

buff maralagidyne fr

[hollow trail]

wot

[iron pilot]

Cock

[native garden]

Hell nah

[celest kindle]

Y'know it's not impossible he also bleeds from there since he just bleeds from his eye for some reason

[dreamy orchid]

actually did you change that one

[potent fog]

i thought that was just the blood from Castor that landed on his face

still doesn't explain why his persona is just randomly bleeding all over the place though

that cannot be good for you

[celest kindle]

He's face down

Also i think it's mostly for the mythological reference

[hollow trail]

what do i set for mod pic in reloaded

[celest kindle]

Yk Castor and Polydeuces

[hollow trail]

i'm sending it to mudkip

(nyx arena)

[celest kindle]

Castor is mortal

[iron pilot]

Kiwami but it has to be another base pic

[celest kindle]

Left

[native garden]

The one on the right

[potent fog]

oh definitely

[celest kindle]

Left because the right one is before Kiwami and the mod removes Kiwami

Creating the great Kiwami erasure of 2024

[dreamy orchid]

second one

i think the kiwami joke is too funny not to use

[west swift]

right

[dreamy orchid]

when are you gonna do the opposite and apply the kiwami filter to every scene

and the title screen

[celest kindle]

Historians said that MG Delta was never quite the same after that transplant

[hollow trail]

unironically use reshade for that im not going to piss all ENVs for all times of day

[dreamy orchid]

forced to work in the kiwami mines for all eternity

[native garden]

Can’t wait for P3R Master Quest: Kiwami Edition

[iron pilot]

(it's just the base game)

[dreamy orchid]

like the femc ui thing but instead of pink its all green

[native garden]

Not just green, it’s pale green

[celest kindle]

Wouldn't applying more Green over P3R Green make the Green darker

[iron pilot]

Anyways as for buffing people

Midsuru probably needs some

[celest kindle]

Hmmm

[hollow trail]

Recalcitrant Execution.

You don't see the vision.

[celest kindle]

She really need anything outside of maybe getting rid of the Phys?

[hollow trail]

AoE Almighty Phys Theurgy with Debilitate.

Trust.

[dreamy orchid]

Meovv and I discussed this in dms earlier

[hollow trail]

"she needs a buff, let's remove even more options from her"

huh?

[dreamy orchid]

Turns out str-almighty actually can still crit in this one despite no skills actually existing in base game

[hollow trail]

FREIKUGEL SHINJIRO BABY

[celest kindle]

Oh not as a buff suggestion just a thing to change

[dreamy orchid]

fuck it, give her foul breath

don't let me cook because my proposed ideas for mitsuru are all funny and experimental rather than actually good

[iron pilot]

Rich bitch has foul breath?

[dreamy orchid]

canon

[iron pilot]

Stinky

[hollow trail]

https://tenor.com/view/so-true-saber-eating-burger-saber-cosplay-gif-23166533

this but it's mitsuru

[iron pilot]

Seriously though it's an endgame thing regardless

[dreamy orchid]

i think all she needs is like

maybe some level gap changes, buffed/reworked second theurgia and diamond dust not costing 46sp lol

mind charge being cheaper would also help

[hollow trail]

diamond dust is fine.... charge i agree

[iron pilot]

Cock

[hollow trail]

turne

[iron pilot]

Earlier marakunda I was thinking

[native garden]

achusally, it’s called concentrate but I second this

[dreamy orchid]

its like 58 in base game right

[hollow trail]

did you think about the buffs thing doors

about making enemy buffs stronger than player buffs, and making tarukaja stronger than rakukaja so that they cancel each other out

[iron pilot]

Yeah

Why?

[hollow trail]

i asked if you thought about it it means i wanted your thoughts

[iron pilot]

Call it megido ark trust

[hollow trail]

lol

[iron pilot]

Hmmmm I think it'd be fine but probably needs some fine tuning

[hollow trail]

i will deadass rename mitsuru's to Recalcitrant Execution

it doesnt even make sense

but i will

[native garden]

Which skill are you referring to?

[dreamy orchid]

she's like the exact opposite of that

[dreamy orchid]

marakunda

[iron pilot]

It's just Blade of Execution rn right

[native garden]

According to the fusion calculator for P3R, its 24sp

[hollow trail]

yeah thats the original name

[dreamy orchid]

i meant what level she learns it

[native garden]

Ohh

[iron pilot]

her ult weapon looks like a drill

Funniest shit ever

[native garden]

She learns it at level 59 according to the fusion calculator

[dreamy orchid]

im trying to think if any of the mq characters were too weak or not

koro is the only one i've felt was actively grief to use, but i also just don't really use yukari cus her damage is low

[iron pilot]

Yukari makes Haxman and Junpei good trust

[dreamy orchid]

i definitely think that magic users learn aoe too late compared to phys users though

[iron pilot]

But I do find her damage by herself underwhelming but I expected that tbh

[dreamy orchid]

level 53 heat wave vs level 68 mabufudyne is really dumb

[hollow trail]

yukari is fine in MQ because the mod's design gives her purpose

even if ken completely mogs her later on

[dreamy orchid]

for me yukari is just there to heal bot during tartarus trips or after a boss, but after i got ken i just ditched her entirely for the most part

[iron pilot]

It's just a problem in terms of when she gets AoE concentrate

[dreamy orchid]

unless ken is particularly bad for a boss, i tended to just not use her unless i thought it'd be fun

[iron pilot]

And that's not exactly fixable

[dreamy orchid]

tranquility makes her fine regardless* but also not for group encounters since magic users learn aoe way too late

[hollow trail]

oh yeah i was saying

the attack ones are kinda hard to edit

but the support ones

i can legit just do whatever the fuck i want with them

i can make Yukari have Sakuya Sakura my man i dont give a fuck

the animation allows it

[dreamy orchid]

i still think that'd lowkey be a nerf

[hollow trail]

random example

[iron pilot]

Yeah I'll take AoE charge

[dreamy orchid]

but yeah like if you have any specific ideas i'd say go for them

[hollow trail]

well we were discussing splitting ken's karns into two

with yukari getting the makarakarn

on theurgy

i mean

[iron pilot]

I think I'd also do it skills wise at that point

[dreamy orchid]

i'm in favour too

ken having both karns is a bit overcentralising

but then again, you could argue he needs it since he lacks ailment cure

[hollow trail]

yeah but aoe concentrate + aoe makarakarn is funny as fuck

[dreamy orchid]

depends if you value ailment cure or not

[hollow trail]

i just salvation

[dreamy orchid]

i think as it stands rn it'd be too good, especially cus koromaru's is just aoe charge

oh yeah ngl

maybe yukari should have salvation at very endgame

it'd be kinda weird cus of healing apex tho

[hollow trail]

that is probably why she doesnt have it yes

[iron pilot]

Just double salvation cost rn

Ez

[hollow trail]

wdym double

i made it 100sp...

[iron pilot]

Exactly

Make it 200 it'll just be 50

100 on protag

[hollow trail]

thats excessive

[native garden]

-1

[dreamy orchid]

idk though

i guess most characters are in a decent place rn

[iron pilot]

Yeah just some level changes moveset wise I think

[dreamy orchid]

phys still feels quite a bit better than magic but that may also just be due to it being learned sooner and having more ease of use

aki is the only character where magic feels really quite powerful on

but he gets phys much earlier anyways

[iron pilot]

Junpeak is a mage

[hollow trail]

i just realized

[iron pilot]

Enough said

[hollow trail]

her theurgy being phys almighty means her concentrate is shit here

[dreamy orchid]

tradeoff?

[iron pilot]

Would it?

[hollow trail]

yeah

it would scale off of charge

[iron pilot]

I thought it'd still scale with concentrate

[hollow trail]

not concentrate

[iron pilot]

Lol

[dreamy orchid]

MITSURU KORO SYNERGY

[hollow trail]

.........actually not false

the damage on this was abysmal wow

[dreamy orchid]

mitsuru is a phys user and junpei is a magic user.

[hollow trail]

ig cuz of low phys

[iron pilot]

It's really bad in vanilla

[dreamy orchid]

her str is irrelevant, the real reason is just that mitsuru is bad

[iron pilot]

Since it doesn't even get 2x crit

[native garden]

Now that’s a weird total damage calculation

[dreamy orchid]

but yeah like

i don't think it not scaling off charge matters much since blaze of life scales off concentrate

[hollow trail]

859 peak damage to one of the enemies

[dreamy orchid]

and that's on THE phys guy

[hollow trail]

i think aoe theurgies show total for the enemy that took the most

not all of them

[iron pilot]

Just use herbs

[dreamy orchid]

aoe theurgias don't have the total number

[iron pilot]

Ez

[native garden]

Ohhh

[dreamy orchid]

L item user

[iron pilot]

Hey man, it made Akihiko good

Soz bro

[dreamy orchid]

I'm never using items, you can't make me!

[hollow trail]

and now i will test AoE Sunder on nyx

(i'm cooking you'll see later)

[dreamy orchid]

okay but like aoe debilitate with chance of 1-more i think is lowkey insane regardless of if the damage ends up being bad or not

[iron pilot]

Oh it'll just be Almighty Attack

Wouldn't replacing Sweep make more sense

[hollow trail]

yup

no, because sunder animation looks like almighty attack's

which is what i want

[iron pilot]

True

[hollow trail]

but if the camera breaks i'll do sweep yes

[iron pilot]

Then you'll make Sweep single hit?

[hollow trail]

nahh

[iron pilot]

It'd be funny

[hollow trail]

camera breaks a bit but it's not terrible

[dreamy orchid]

show

[hollow trail]

what do we think

[iron pilot]

It's not green

[hollow trail]

kiwami

[iron pilot]

You won't be able to see the 4th guy on left but it works

Also you sure bro? It'll charge theurgia faster

[hollow trail]

cuz of crit? yeah i know

but it also cant be resisted

[iron pilot]

Why was it resisted at the end

[hollow trail]

because it's still slash

i didnt change it yet

[iron pilot]

Oh ok

[dreamy orchid]

i think the camera is a bit fucky

idk you kinda can't properly see all the characters

junpei ain't even on the screen

[hollow trail]

and ken is there because of ultrawide

right

i'll make sweep the almighty attack then

[dreamy orchid]

yeah

you could make both str-almighty tbf

[iron pilot]

Unless you can change camera angles of skills

[hollow trail]

hahahahahahahaha

[hollow trail]

Almighty Sweep and Almighty Sunder...

that would in fact kill doors' repel strat

at least partially

unless