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hollow trail May 1, 2024, 8:57 PM

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i know

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there's damage+debuff in a lot of games

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i'm saying its even more unbalanced than buff+buff in persona

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damage+buff invalidates regular buffs because they can also generate turns through one more

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kaja skills become useless

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 9:39 PM

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I think part of the reason skills with debuffs work in other games like sh2 and sexturne is because the base skills are aoe by default

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So there is a tangible downside

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It could be a fun idea to add the sh2 combo skills but I worry they'll be too over encompassing

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:09 PM

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ashen pulsar I think part of the reason skills with debuffs work in other games like sh2 and ...

yes, but that was the proposition

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make bases AoE, remove Ma-Kajas and replace them with the sh2 combo skills

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it would make midgame more interesting, but likely trivialize earlygame

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junpei rakukaja would be op

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esp in priestess

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:10 PM

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expensive 😈

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:10 PM

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well obvs

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i'd make it 18SP

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still not really enough

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:11 PM

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Uh

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:11 PM

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priestess with marakukaja is a joke

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i think

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:11 PM

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What would you do about not having the skill slots

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:11 PM

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wdym

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oh i see what you mean now

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there's only 12 buff skill slots

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:12 PM

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Wait nvm it equals out

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:12 PM

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i was thinking, set the single targets to aoe, then change-- yeah

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it equals out

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question is who gets who

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and also, how does this affect enemies

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:13 PM

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And rename auto mas to tarukauto ? naotroll

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:13 PM

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suddenly a gatekeeper using tarukaja is a lot more menacing

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but likewise you have raku

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But yeah my concern is Priestess would be too easy

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after that its whatever

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i think

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:14 PM

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Is rakukaja particularly beneficial there?

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(I haven't played)

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:15 PM

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yes and no

as it is rn Rakukaja is used when Priestess summons adds

if the rng hits and you're unable to kill them immediately, junpei will rakukaja the party member that's going to be targeted, so they can survive

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if junpei can just aoe rakukaja this invalidates the mechanic

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as you can maintain raku the whole fight

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likewise, mc can aoe taru

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or aoe tarunda as well

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:17 PM

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hmm

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:17 PM

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kinda same with empress/emperor even though it's a tutorial fight

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rakukaja and tarunda being aoe will invalidate the entire fight even more

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since you can just maintain buff effortlessly

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in early game choosing when and who to buff is important

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my concern with combo buffs is also it not playing very well with lategame

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buff attack and defense in one go, and you're good to go

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i guess the enemy would also decrease more of your stats

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but that's easily negated

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:19 PM

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More dekaja usage

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:19 PM

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i mean i can try combo buffs but it's a destructive change

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effort to revert

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esp cuz i'd have to change party member progressions

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who gets what

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:20 PM

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Junpeak S -> SSS

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:20 PM

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junpei's currently not that good in mq

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he's good, but not SSS

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:22 PM

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it makes dekunda and dekaja a lot more valuable to carry at least

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:22 PM

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it already is tho no?

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sure you can counter the buff with the same buff

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but that also applies with combos

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:23 PM

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Nah that's not exactly true anymore

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Rakukaja is stronger than tarukaja now for some reason

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:24 PM

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wdym

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i mean that if an enemy does tarukaja you can counter it with tarunda lmao

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:24 PM

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If you have tarukaja up and an enemy has rakukaja up it will do less damage than if nobody has any at all

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:25 PM

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hollow trail i mean that if an enemy does tarukaja you can counter it with tarunda lmao

That's more niche tho

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:25 PM

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yeah but does combos negate that niche

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i think it makes it even more common

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:26 PM

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No I'm just saying dekaja and dekunda become more relevant (good thing)

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*relevant than previous existing status, not above buff negation

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:27 PM

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the aoe buff question becomes completely moot after the lovers boss

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because consumable aoes go for sale

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but before that

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aoes might be too much?

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:28 PM

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Could always be later in progression although that will mess with junpei priestess

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:28 PM

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yup

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its not even 100% that he'll have rakukaja btw

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depends on how you did the keepers

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:29 PM

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Fang breaker naotroll

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:29 PM

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lol

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damage+buff is a bit meh

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somewhat invalidates the need of support skills

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sh2 is fine because they are single target

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:29 PM

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Until lategame

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When doubles are unlocked anyway

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:30 PM

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sh2 doubles are in no way lategame

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high 30s

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well

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game ends at 60

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so

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:31 PM

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Meant like

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Fusillade

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:31 PM

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oh shit lol

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right

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but by then it's also good because you have doubles

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:31 PM

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Thought that was like late 40s

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:32 PM

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can double taru-raku then fusillade

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and you just debilitated enemy

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:32 PM

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I wonder if buff duration mistique works on the damaging variants

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:33 PM

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good q

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oh right sh2 karns are aoe

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KEKW

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:34 PM

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I think them being generally shit damage also helps

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The debuff phys

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:34 PM

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hollow trail oh right sh2 karns are aoe

wait

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Idea

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:34 PM

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im listening

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:35 PM

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Tetrakarn removes makarakarm and vice versa so they can't stack like sh2

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:35 PM

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sh2 karns stack?

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:35 PM

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Nope

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:35 PM

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neither do p3's though

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DogConfused

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:35 PM

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yeah they do

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:35 PM

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ken is an exception

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no?

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huh

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:36 PM

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ashen pulsar Tetrakarn removes makarakarm and vice versa so they can't stack like sh2

i cant do that anyway

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blueprint for sure

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:36 PM

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no I just meant like

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Add tetra break effect lol

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Unless that's not in the game period

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:37 PM

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p3 doesnt have tetrabreak

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:37 PM

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rip

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Piercer L

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:38 PM

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anyway im very unsure about combo buff in p3r

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feel like it might cause too many issues

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:40 PM

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I think it could be fun to work around

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as long as they're not efficient sp wise 👍

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:40 PM

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it would be 16 and 38 sp respectively

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compared to 8 and 24 of p3r

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 10:57 PM

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@ashen pulsar tarunda + marakukaja is a joke

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im ditching the idea for now i think

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ice storm was dealing like 20 damage

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ik junpei can raku everyone individually

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but that's way different

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 10:59 PM

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naotroll

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 11:04 PM

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crazy tho because i am unironically relying on aoe buff consumables

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so those are actually good in MQ

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but once actual aoe buff skill comes

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they're invalidated due to sp cost

dreamy orchid May 1, 2024, 11:12 PM

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it depends tbh

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i don't think any single target buffs are really bad besides sukukaja

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like single-target tarukaja is a sizable damage boost and rakukaja can noticeably keep a target alive even if its less beneficial than tarunda due to targeting

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 11:13 PM

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you did not read the entire convo

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lol

dreamy orchid May 1, 2024, 11:13 PM

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yea i did't

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 11:13 PM

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i said those same points alr

dreamy orchid May 1, 2024, 11:14 PM

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i've been sleeping i was just giving my take

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 11:14 PM

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wake up get up get out there

dreamy orchid May 1, 2024, 11:14 PM

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big wall of text i ain't reading all that ShioWeary

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 11:15 PM

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L

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im afraid

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anyway single target buffs are generally shit

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very niche use case

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but aoe buffs are excessive in early game

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so i will not touch em

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 11:16 PM

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alternate reality where atlus didn't fuck up the skills and you could just add things easily

dreamy orchid May 1, 2024, 11:17 PM

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i like single targets

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but sukukaja on akihiko is so funny i don't think i ever used it

dreamy orchid May 1, 2024, 11:17 PM

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ashen pulsar alternate reality where atlus didn't fuck up the skills and you could just add t...

truuuu

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 11:17 PM

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i did

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more than the others

dreamy orchid May 1, 2024, 11:18 PM

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1.69x evasion op

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 11:18 PM

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i only rakukaja if i know someone is gonna die otherwise

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and i never tarukaja

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its simply not that good in early game and by the time it would be you have aoe

dreamy orchid May 1, 2024, 11:19 PM

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i tend to just auto buff instead lol

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 11:19 PM

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autos come after aoe

dreamy orchid May 1, 2024, 11:19 PM

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i'd use tarukaja if it were on a party member early on like ryuji or chie

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but tarukaja on party is way too late in p3r lol

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 11:19 PM

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who are those people

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this is a p3r thread

ashen pulsar May 1, 2024, 11:19 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/makoto-niijima-persona5-gif-18328813

Tenor

dreamy orchid May 1, 2024, 11:20 PM

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hollow trail autos come after aoe

thats not true

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auto-tarukaja is level 14 in p3r lol

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 11:20 PM

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you have aoe at 14

dreamy orchid May 1, 2024, 11:20 PM

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no?

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 11:20 PM

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yes

dreamy orchid May 1, 2024, 11:20 PM

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matarukaja is level 32

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 11:20 PM

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fierce sutra can be obtained at 14

dreamy orchid May 1, 2024, 11:20 PM

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oh right items

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naotroll

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dogshit mechanic

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 11:21 PM

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disagree

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they're good

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mq is literally unbeatable without them rn

dreamy orchid May 1, 2024, 11:21 PM

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when they're not superfluous i agree

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there is a fine line to cross with it i think

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cus often times they just feel like they devalue certain members lol

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 11:22 PM

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hence me wanting combo buffs

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hierarchy would be

single target (party and item)

aoe (item)

combo (party only)

dreamy orchid May 1, 2024, 11:23 PM

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that haxman wasn't lying, he really does evade ice

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 11:23 PM

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yes

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even funnier

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i thought it was gonna do agi

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thats why i guarded

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cuz in EVERY other run

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it would agi

dreamy orchid May 1, 2024, 11:24 PM

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maybe it reacted to the guard?

hollow trail May 1, 2024, 11:24 PM

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no

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i also guarded in those runs

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it's rng

dreamy orchid May 1, 2024, 11:24 PM

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oh lol

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:04 AM

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oh wait

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wtf am i going on about

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mayoido only has the debuff sutras

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 1:05 AM

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Akihiko can become debuff guy if you buy enough marakunda items

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:05 AM

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similarly you can only get 2 matarukaja dishes off aki before he switches to heat riser permanently

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and the only aoe buff plant is matarukaja with aigis

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which is once every 12 days + she's gone for a long time in late game

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yeah idgaf the items are fine

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 1:06 AM

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Aki really downgrades from Matarukaja to Heat Riser?

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:06 AM

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yes

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 1:06 AM

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RIP

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:06 AM

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tbf

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who actually spends nights with dorm mates past 3rd visit

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its never worth

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 1:07 AM

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i saw someone who made coffee with ken everytime he was available because "omg SP items are so useful!"

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:07 AM

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die

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is amethyst and onyx purchasable at mr. arigatoneeee

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oh wait

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you CAN buy protection sutras?

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this feels like misinfo

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oh you can

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its unlocked later

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maaaaaaaaaaaan

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maaan

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 1:19 AM

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tarunda guy btfo'd

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:19 AM

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what if i made it cost like 3x

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both the craft and the gem itself

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 1:20 AM

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ShioThink

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i feel like at that point you may as well remove it cus people will not wanna get scammed

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though ig having it as an option is nice

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:20 AM

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no, because the mod literally requires them lol

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 1:20 AM

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making gems more expensive means getting incenses for all stats is harder tho

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and if the mod requires them then they probably shouldn't be too scarce

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:21 AM

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i havent bought any

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but i had to use them frequently

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im def gonna run out

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yabbashah is way tougher rn

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 1:21 AM

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fuse maha-taru-kaja for protag

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:21 AM

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not possible yet

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im way ahead of you

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 1:21 AM

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i think you get marakukaja at like mid 20s on yamato no orochi too

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:21 AM

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mid 30s

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im almost there but not yet

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 1:22 AM

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its 29

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:22 AM

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and im almost done with the keepers

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 1:22 AM

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but yea its a little ahead of you rn

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:22 AM

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well whatever

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what im saying is

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yes the sutras are needed in this one part of tartarus

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marakukaja is only 1/3rd of it

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 1:23 AM

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hmm

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next block will be way easier tho

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cus aigis will have maraku by then and you could honestly just wait for shinji to join before scaling it

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:23 AM

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yes

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therefore price increase good

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does not affect the part where they are needed

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makes them harder when they are superfluous

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also keep in mind you can only buy kundas in yabbashah

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:24 AM

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https://aqiu384.github.io/megaten-fusion-tool/p3r/personas/Orthrus/fissions

Orthrus Fission Recipes - Persona 3 Reload Fusion Calculator

Orthrus = High Pixie x Sandman, Hua Po x Leanan Sidhe, Power x Fortuna, 64 more...

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:24 AM

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yes i have orthrus

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it did not reach 32 before every gatekeeper

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hee_approves

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i'm not blind to the recipes lol

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:25 AM

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You didn't have high enough Rank and lovers card?

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I uh, got it from that immediately on fusion

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:25 AM

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i'm not going to balance around arcana bonus

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that's shit design

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forcing an sl

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i always assume rank 1

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:26 AM

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Perhaps.

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:26 AM

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anyway price increase is probably fine

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i'm also tempted as fuck to disable dis-ailment items too but still think that's gonna make the game extremely cbt

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disabling hp-sp is fine

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ailment might not be

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:27 AM

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Definitely would advise not doing that

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:28 AM

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is it really that bad to need me patra

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:29 AM

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From what I can tell, all it would do is frustrate players. Although the solution for that is simply just having Me Patra on protag all the time since he innately has ailment aversion if it's an AoE cast on the party

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Either way though it doesn't sound like a fun time

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:30 AM

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you could say the same about recarm and hp tho

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:31 AM

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I mean, the difference between that is if the protag dies it's already over

If everyone has ailments, you could just watch on auto pilot if it's confuse or rage or the characters not doing actions if it's fear

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For distress though I get it

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:32 AM

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if the protag dies it's already over

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i forgot about that part nvm

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point taken

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:33 AM

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It's joever mate

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:35 AM

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@iron pilot what's your take on price increases though

for buff sutras, gems in general, and maybe healing items on aohige

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25%? 2x? 3x?

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:35 AM

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Good question

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:36 AM

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i did have money troubles playing p3r but i never picked coin card

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so theres that

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in early game*

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:37 AM

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Let's see, if I were playing normally I'd aim for 100K first block to get my social stats up

And keep that momentum later on

Normally I just buy 5 or 10 of items when I do buy them. Normally didn't though except for the AoE 200 HP ones

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:38 AM

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remember hp/sp items are halved

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:38 AM

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Yeah but I don't buy those except weird takoyaki in early game

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So that amounts to just 4K yen

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Lmao

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:40 AM

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i'm thinking double price for aohige stuff, because it's already halved in the hp/sp

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antiques i'd probably increase price of the buff/debuff items, but nothing else

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gems at escapade, probably 2x as well, or 50% increase, not sure

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:43 AM

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I'd say some gems are more valuable than others

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Like endgame ones can net you to millions with how much you need

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And since you basically disabled reaper grind (for the most part), that might be a problem if you do that across the board

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Maybe change it based on what the gems could buy themselves

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:44 AM

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then i think for now i will only change aohige prices and sutra prices

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aohige prices i will double for now

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and sutra prices, hmm

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it's 3x gem per sutra right

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wtf

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why is there ONE single target buff sutra

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:46 AM

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Getting to 10 is a luxury kind of thing?

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:46 AM

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and its for sukukaja

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LOL??

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:46 AM

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Buff Amp Boy reference

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:46 AM

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why is this shit even here

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literal filler item

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OH NVM

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:46 AM

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There's a single target dekaja too apparently

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:46 AM

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ITS HEAT RISERLOL

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i misread

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:47 AM

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F

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:47 AM

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you need 297 gems to get 99 of a sutra

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well

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594 technically

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:47 AM

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Stat cards reference?

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 1:48 AM

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hollow trail is it really that bad to need me patra

when only one party member has access to them for the entire game, yea

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:48 AM

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Well, from my experience against Nyx, you basically want some 15 or so each

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 1:48 AM

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if ailment cure was more readily available i wouldn't mind disabling the items tho

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:48 AM

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The first attempt took an hour

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Lmfao

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Then Aigis and Koro ran out of SP

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:49 AM

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okay uhhhh

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:49 AM

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Then I realized

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Tf I have items bro

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Why am I not using them

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:49 AM

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i was thinking of making it cost 9+9 Gem instead

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99x would give 11x sutra

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or is that too much/too little still

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honestly same for the karn gems

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:50 AM

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Even if it's a resource heavy meta, conservation will still be king

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I think if a player with good planning goes through with it, they'd buy stuff in bulk and hopefully not use as much, stockpiling it

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Hmmmmmmm

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I'd say allow at least 5 to be obtainable within normal means

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Or 3

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:54 AM

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wdym tho

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the game already does give quite a ton

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:55 AM

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Nah I mean rework it so 3 or 5 is obtained by just being casual

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:56 AM

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i mean

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i played casual and have almost 90 of every gem

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in january

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(i never crafted shit)

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:56 AM

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Within 1 tartarus trip

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I think I'd get some 15 to 20 or so except January (HP/SP grind made me hit 99 more than a handful of times)

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:58 AM

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i can maybe make them cost 7 of each instead of 9 ig

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1 more than double

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:58 AM

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7 or 8 sounds funny

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:58 AM

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99/7 gives 14 with a full stack

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so 4 of each

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if u divide

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you're probably not going to get masukunda sutras though

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so 7 of each

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:00 AM

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Suck on deez nuts

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But yeah, more than likely

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:00 AM

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ok that's the Rasuta sutras taken care of

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Homunculus/Dekaja/Dekunda/Mirrors

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homunculus is fine

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mirror is 2 onyx 2 topaz

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maybe cheap

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:01 AM

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Yeah it is

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:01 AM

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dekunda/dekaja is 3 amethyst

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also giga cheap

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:01 AM

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Uhhhh, I didn't use the gems I bought...

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Then again, I was actively looking for best strats

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So the enemy ideally wouldn't be able to buff (they're dead)

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:02 AM

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loll

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:02 AM

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Pisaca gives Dekaja at 16 too iirc

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:02 AM

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dekaja/dekunda im probably gonna make 7x as well

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:02 AM

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So there's options

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:02 AM

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actually fuck it

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karn is 7x onyx 7x topaz too

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:03 AM

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That's gonna be a funny

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:03 AM

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how come

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:03 AM

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I survived death phase because of karn items

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I was relatively LL, sure

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:03 AM

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well now you just have less of them

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:03 AM

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But I had 15 of them lmao

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:03 AM

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cdiakechi

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just buy gems

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onyx and topaz can be bought right

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:04 AM

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Yeah they could

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:04 AM

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and yeah im making aohige only 2x

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3x is ridiculous

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:04 AM

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Although from what I recall, I bought incenses instead to beat up Liz LL (it was level 88)

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:04 AM

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27k for me patra

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LOOOOL

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:05 AM

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If I recall right, Me Patra appears after Hiero/Lovers

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:05 AM

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more or less

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sidhe

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lv24

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:06 AM

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Nah like, as an item

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:06 AM

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ah

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uhh

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i had one

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just one

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had to use dis charm for the rest

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:07 AM

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The game gives two Amrita gems in that section too

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They're in the rooms

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One muscle drink too

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:07 AM

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ye

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oh right should i make takoyaki more expensive too

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probably no because it can fear you

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:07 AM

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I'll survive with 4 of them

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Doubling it doesn't sound bad

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On the other hand, I have Jack Frost with Agi

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:09 AM

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gonna turn the game into stardew valley

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make vegetables sell for more so you profit from planting

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troll

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jk

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:10 AM

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I'd sell the potatoes Junpei makes

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(it costs 1 yen)

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Funnily enough, pretty sure he gives tetrakarn herbs

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So his is the second strongest

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For herbs

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:18 AM

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aohige doesn't sell all the dis-items?

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wut

celest kindle May 2, 2024, 2:34 AM

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Something must've broke because he does sell those

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:34 AM

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I don't recall a dis distress

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Or dis shock

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Dis freeze

celest kindle May 2, 2024, 2:35 AM

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Oh wait yeah

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I think he sells dis-charm, dis-rage and one or 2 more

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:52 AM

#

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troll

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iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:53 AM

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Ngl Maiko's rich if she can afford that

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:53 AM

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Ah wait i did the math wrong

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it should be 1200

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:54 AM

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Remember, it's likely dog meat

celest kindle May 2, 2024, 2:54 AM

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Is 1400 yen a lot in Japan?

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:54 AM

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its 14 bucks

celest kindle May 2, 2024, 2:54 AM

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Oh.

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Holy shit

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:54 AM

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basically i wanna make it so takoyaki is less yen-per-hp than muscle drink

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but

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if on sale

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:54 AM

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It's dog meat bro

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Trust

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:54 AM

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it's better to get muscle drink

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:55 AM

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iron pilot It's dog meat bro

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wait

celest kindle May 2, 2024, 2:55 AM

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😭

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:55 AM

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dont you feed takoyaki to a dog in reload

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wtf

celest kindle May 2, 2024, 2:55 AM

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WHAT

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:55 AM

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Yeah that's what I was saying

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That pic's the proof bro

celest kindle May 2, 2024, 2:55 AM

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If that's the case then it also implies Elizabeth knows what dogs taste like

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:57 AM

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oh

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the fuck

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i thought the sale was 20%

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on aohige

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it's 30%

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:58 AM

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This reminds me of some handful of dudes in my city ran an illegal restaurant serving dogs years ago

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Yeah it's 30

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I think Kurosawa's 20

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:59 AM

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Okay so

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Muscle Drink is 2000, 150HP

That's 13 yen per HP

On sale, it's 1400, so 9 yen per HP

So I could make Takoyaki 1000, and it would be better only on sale day

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:00 AM

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Nice

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:01 AM

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i was thinking 1200

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what we thinking

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1000

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1100

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1200

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:01 AM

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Good question

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:01 AM

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i'll halfway it

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1100

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ig

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:01 AM

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Let's see, you get 8K at the start

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So that translates to 7 of them

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Not bad

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:04 AM

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considering you get rancid gravies and odd morsels

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yeah

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i changed the dialogue so she says "it's actually not 400"

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but elizabeth is still gonna pay 400

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master quest octopia confirmed sexist

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(i didn't change elizabeth's because it's voiced)

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:08 AM

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Nah she hates highschool kids

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(they found out it was dog)

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:08 AM

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koromaruyaki

celest kindle May 2, 2024, 3:08 AM

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Isn't the Octopia owner a woman?

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:08 AM

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yes

celest kindle May 2, 2024, 3:08 AM

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She's just employing FeMC Mitsuru Pic Tactics

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:10 AM

#

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anyway here's the math

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:10 AM

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Meth

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When will Tanaka sell meth that is a full soma

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On battle

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Sold on 1/31 itself

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:11 AM

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should soma be battle-usable

errant pumice May 2, 2024, 3:12 AM

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Even when I have Soma, I would always think “why on earth would I ever use this on a floor/in battle? That’s a waste, I’m just gonna do it when I’m on the 1st floor to get everyone healed up”

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:13 AM

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Hmmmmmm are you going to exploit everyone's tendency to not use them

errant pumice May 2, 2024, 3:13 AM

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You could make soma not usable in battle, but using it in battle is a very desperate choice in general.

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:13 AM

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errant pumice Even when I have Soma, I would always think “why on earth would I ever use this ...

heres the thing, soma would be the only usable hp/sp item in the entire game

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except the xmas gifts

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im only thinking this because of the takaya boss

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you get sp drained 3 times there

errant pumice May 2, 2024, 3:14 AM

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Ohhh

Yeah, I forgot about the SP drain enemies. They’re extremely brutal

celest kindle May 2, 2024, 3:14 AM

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There's not many of those

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:14 AM

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there really is

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soma is super common in p3r

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more than any other game

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actually

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no

celest kindle May 2, 2024, 3:15 AM

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Nono i meant the drainer enemies

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:15 AM

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i finished fes with 25 somas

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so

celest kindle May 2, 2024, 3:15 AM

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There's some with spirit drain but never so much you'd wanna use a soma to go back to full sp

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Takaya and the Monad boss are usually the threatening ones on that front

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:16 AM

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yeah but there's only one christmas gift

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:16 AM

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fes gives them out like candy but like SP economy is irrelevant there and party members can't use them so its not that bad

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its silly how many they give you tho

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Is Soma really common in P3R?

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:16 AM

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I finished with 9 somas this time (I got one from magician)

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:16 AM

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i had a few

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:16 AM

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Ik you can craft them but idk how many you actually get in progression

celest kindle May 2, 2024, 3:17 AM

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I didn't find many of them

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:17 AM

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you can?

celest kindle May 2, 2024, 3:17 AM

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Yeah

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:17 AM

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its not in the antique shop

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did i remove it???

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LOL

celest kindle May 2, 2024, 3:17 AM

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Boss chests

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:17 AM

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yea you did

celest kindle May 2, 2024, 3:17 AM

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And also yeah Mayoido lady crafts

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Them

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:17 AM

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im so goated

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:17 AM

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i think soma being usable in battle is fine anyways cus people aren't gonna have that many especially if they feel more obligated to use them

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:18 AM

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its not even the sp im worried about

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its the full hp heal

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:18 AM

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just the mediarahan?

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:18 AM

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yeah

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:18 AM

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could just make wondrous egg usable in battle instead naotroll

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:18 AM

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meh

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:18 AM

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getting softlocked from running out of sp in battle is probably worse than not being allowed to use healing items

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especially cus a couple characters like Mitsuru or Koro can become complete sitting ducks when they don't have SP

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:19 AM

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thing is

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its not a softlock

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doors did it and they weren't even banking theurgia

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:20 AM

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what party setup

errant pumice May 2, 2024, 3:20 AM

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I think when I use Soma, I just use it as an SP item, I haven’t followed the thread 24/7, but did the healing items get majorly nerfed?

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:21 AM

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yea they are all halved iirc

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:21 AM

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Ken, Junpei, Akihiko

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:21 AM

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iron pilot Ken, Junpei, Akihiko

yea that party is not reliant on sp at all lmao

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Junpei and Aki use phys and Ken restores that shit passively

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If Takaya drained all of Yukari's SP though she'd literally just become useless for the rest of the fight

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Mitsuru probably more so

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cus at least Yukari can get away with invig 3 heal botting

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:23 AM

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Wdym

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Both can take the boots

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:23 AM

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yea but mediarahan is like 11sp

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mitsuru's attack is like 46

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:23 AM

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Fixed Kamimusubi Water bug, was healing 25HP instead of the intended 50HP
Doubled all Aohige prices
Increased price of Weird Takoyaki to 1100 yen
Increased prices of all buff and debuff gems
AoE Rasutas are now 7+7 (Originally 3+3)
Dekaja is also 7+7 from 3+3
Debilitate and Heat Riser gems are 3+3 from 2+2
Karn gems are 7+7 from 3+3

📎 P3R_Master_Quest5.2.0.7z

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:23 AM

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hollow trail * Fixed Kamimusubi Water bug, was healing 25HP instead of the intended 50HP * D...

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:23 AM

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dreamy orchid Junpei and Aki use phys and Ken restores that shit passively

Akihiko spams debilitate so he gets low sp when I hit second drain

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So he drains Junpeak

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:24 AM

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RIP agidyne

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:24 AM

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dreamy orchid If Takaya drained all of Yukari's SP though she'd literally just become useless ...

he will never

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:24 AM

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Actually I was thinking Magic Junpei's better for the fight

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:24 AM

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he drains mc once (forced)

then whoever has the most current SP

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:24 AM

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doesn't he drain the person with the highest

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:24 AM

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then everyone at the end

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highest CURRENT

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it would never be yukari

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:24 AM

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yukari is not properly low tho cus her healing is cheap

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:24 AM

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with SH2 skill costs?

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:24 AM

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i mean in a full magic party member setup, yukari will have highest sp

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:24 AM

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not really

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:24 AM

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unless you bring ken ig

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:25 AM

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hollow trail with SH2 skill costs?

mediarahan still only 18 sp with that

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it depends on the comp tho

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:25 AM

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but yes i need to test takaya with all these bs changes

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:26 AM

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Koromaru, Mitsuru and Aki would have lower SP than her, but Ken would probably have higher

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:26 AM

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koro is actually so ass for this fight though

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without debilitate he's useless

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:26 AM

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yea cus he's forced to use maragidyne

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cus eigaon is blocked

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lmao

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:26 AM

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he's unfixable here

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fr

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:27 AM

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hollow trail without debilitate he's useless

i wouldn't say that

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:27 AM

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mid dog

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:27 AM

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Nah revolution botting might be good

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:27 AM

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with phys party he's good

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:27 AM

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More extra turns the better

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:27 AM

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but he's reliant on party members to be useful

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by himself he sucks, he's just an enabler

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:27 AM

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Junpeak got that ending with his innate crit

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:27 AM

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just like haxman

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:27 AM

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But likely that's more common with him

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:27 AM

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yea but i think aoe charge is better than debilitate

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by a lot

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:27 AM

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it aint gonna be charging very fast

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:27 AM

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Haxman does more damage tho

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:28 AM

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hollow trail it aint gonna be charging very fast

Koro charges fast with crits, simply roll for Tempest Slash crit...

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just gamble ez

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for some reason Koro gets as big of a boost from crits as he does from hitting weakness tho

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but his description only specifies weakness

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:28 AM

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epic

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crit is a weakness

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weak to gambling

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:29 AM

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Weak to gambling

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 3:29 AM

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koro's charge conditions are kinda ass though

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but he gets a passive +4% every turn if the enemy has any debuff

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and he inflicts sukunda by default for existing

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oh right

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he also gets 4% for using any attack, phys or magic

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so a crit or weak will give him +14%

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dog chilling

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:35 AM

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I like the bits where Takaya hits a weakness then kills with life drain

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Bro's taunting

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Even funnier when we hit solos

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:35 AM

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he lifedrains anyone under 30% yeah

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it's an anti-solo measure cuz of your run

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:35 AM

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They don't know the condition.

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According to my calc, Scarlet Havoc should deal 6.5K damage

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And King and I does 5K

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:36 AM

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king and i is less gambling

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:37 AM

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Except the bit where you need Mastery

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I think that's a good compromise, honestly

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:39 AM

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did you skip the phase where he buffs every turn to set up theurgia killshot

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or like

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what did you do there

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:40 AM

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Oh nah I guarded when I did enough damage, he managed to concentrate

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I noticed Ken will get theurgia so I didn't mind Junpei and Akihiko dying

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Lmfao

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That theurgia hits hard lmfao

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But Ken has Endure + Enduring soul soooooo

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:41 AM

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oh right lmfao

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i can enduring soul it then armageddon

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maaan

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:41 AM

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Yep

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I didn't though

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The Nyx one though, I armageddon'd that one

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It would have went to 70 mins if I didn't I think

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:42 AM

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did you handle the sp drains purely by doing phys only

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is a magic run not possible

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:42 AM

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I uh, didn't use phys on protag

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I was using Telos to recover SP and do Mediarama

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Junpei and Akihiko were doing phys though, although I suspect magic Junpei will fare better

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:43 AM

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invigorate op

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:43 AM

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Ken was on makarakarn duty

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So he didn't heal much

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:43 AM

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what level were you again

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this was after reaper right

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:44 AM

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I was 91 I think while everyone else is 88

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Or 86

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It was after reaper, yeah

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Jin made me jump from 88 to 91

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After Liz too technically

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 3:45 AM

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oh right i havent done liz yet

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 3:46 AM

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Well I mean

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It's technically beatable at level 88, could go down to 83

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Lmfaoooo

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Actual wash

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With DLC it goes down even further

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 8:31 AM

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Oh yeah just for reference I'll post the last 3 fights tonight

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Me with the movie long boss fight rush

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 12:30 PM

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Lmao I managed to shorten the fight a bit, by 4 mins

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Btw how does Nyx's down AI work

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It's exploitable from what I can tell

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anyways I think I can get it down to 40 mins if I legitimately took every note I have with the fight

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truly the strat ever

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 12:38 PM

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iron pilot Btw how does Nyx's down AI work

please specify there's like 14 "nyx down ais"

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 12:42 PM

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the death one

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 12:59 PM

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mfw it's gonna take 4 hours to post

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 1:19 PM

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oh fuck I messed something up

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I didn't record the stats with MQ skills for Akihiko, Ken and Koro

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lmfao

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 1:57 PM

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iron pilot the death one

grim transcendence -> light magic -> buff -> light magic -> buff -> dedicated move

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you're supposed to exploit it to stop buffs

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light magic being reflected doesnt rlly do shit

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some phases are exception

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ik you're reflecting sweep a lot

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and i still dont know if i wanna disallow that

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makes solo kinda cheesy tho

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with that said you can repel all too

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:08 PM

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nah you repel everyone

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but guard the first one in the order that will get hit with a weakness

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:09 PM

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i mean

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:09 PM

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this will reduce Sunder's crit rate and the damage taken a bit

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:09 PM

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i can add the thing i added to takaya

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:09 PM

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hmmmmmmmmm

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perhaps

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:09 PM

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if you repel everyone though it'll still repel

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LOL

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unless i make nyx do something else if the check fails

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:10 PM

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it'll burn through your magic mirrors but it's basically the only way to be relatively safe in the fight

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so basically, a good player needs 30 of them here lmao

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I burned through my entire supply, it was just 18

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:11 PM

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you dont need to repel on every turn though do you

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just sweeps and some death stuff

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:12 PM

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hmmmmmmmmm, maybe

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I tend to one shot the first two phases

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but I need protection on specifically hermit, death doing magician moves, death doing hermit moves and stuff

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for the party I'm running

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technically though I could have just Armageddon'd to not see the entire set of moves she does from death to death again

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but I think that would be interesting to see, so I didn't Armageddon in this second attempt

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:17 PM

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ah

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i mean i assume you'd have it

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:19 PM

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technically just need 6K damage lmao

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:20 PM

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now that i think about it

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you can repel the armageddon punish too

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KEKW

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well

#

yes and no

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:20 PM

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repel all metatron is a strat, yes

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:20 PM

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nyx will continually try the punish until it hits

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:22 PM

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do you want me to solo it again

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:22 PM

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well

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i think i should add the karn detect first no

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:26 PM

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Maybe.

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Sure.

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but I think you need to see the fight first I think

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uhhh

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gimme 3 hours

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 2:27 PM

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lol sure

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:28 PM

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5%

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I almost did a scarlet havoc in there, thinking of it

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 2:31 PM

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the temptation

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 2:35 PM

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it does 3K soz

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 2:35 PM

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punished

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:05 PM

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@iron pilot wait a sec

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nyx already has karn detection

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and unlike takaya its 100% chance to skip with morning star at the end if all are skipped

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it has karn detection for the one more generation i mean

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not sweeps

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ig i can add to sweeps

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:07 PM

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56%

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:07 PM

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ah i see, the punish goes for night queen immediately if you are karned

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negating the punish

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:07 PM

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iron pilot 56%

what does this mean

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:08 PM

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56%

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:08 PM

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It's so slow to upload

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:08 PM

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oh the fight

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:09 PM

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Anyways hanged man's hilarious

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Dew it

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:10 PM

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wdym by that

#

TakoPepePoint

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:10 PM

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Add in karn punish there

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:10 PM

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are you just repelling gods hands

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:10 PM

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No, I mean the sweep repel

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:11 PM

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what do i even punish with

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morning stars?

#

i cant do night queen

#

i also cant repel punish in emperor because it's a phys only phase

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:11 PM

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Good point

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Maybe keep it in but intentional?

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No one's gonna get that first time unless they read the patch notes I guess

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And it's just one phase

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:12 PM

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i think the only phases where karn punish can happen really is hanged and death

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leading to morning star

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fortune also punishes karn

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:13 PM

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More or less

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:14 PM

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if you're karned in fortune nyx does morning star lol

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:15 PM

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(technically a good thing)

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:15 PM

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yes but it's preventing repel strat

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which is also good

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i dont think repel is bad

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i think repel*2000 dmg is bad

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:16 PM

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I think it's goated with the sauce (it's funny)

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But seriously it's funny

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And uhhhh, a bit extra and unnecessary, which is funny

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:17 PM

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Anti Amada mechanic

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:19 PM

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i see

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when nyx is unable to do lightAnubis, it will sunder

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so you can do repel slash mc

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i remember this

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it was trying to crit fish

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:21 PM

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And it works basically 25% of the time

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And it seems to target like

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The order you pick the party

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:23 PM

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Pick haxman first

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epic win

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:25 PM

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put makarakarn on members with weakness
Make the first one in the order with a weakness guard

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:25 PM

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you know the mod is open source right

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i post code on every zip

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you can read it

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:25 PM

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Yeah I know, I'm just uhhh

Writing a counter I made up on the fly

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:26 PM

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anyway its not in order of pick

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:26 PM

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Damn

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:26 PM

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its in order of party member

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lol

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2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:28 PM

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It was midsuru

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Anyways that guarding thing I do reduces crit chances and reduces damage taken

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So it helps a lot

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:29 PM

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femcsigh ig i wont touch the boss until i see the video

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:30 PM

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76%

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:30 PM

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its speeding up

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Thonk

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:30 PM

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AM hours does that

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:31 PM

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oh right @ashen pulsar do detailed descriptions fit in a mod like this

i think it metagames too much, but likewise, this mod is designed around the expectation of you metagaming a bit

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:31 PM

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🐱

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I don't see why not

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:31 PM

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Yeah it'd help

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:32 PM

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sh2 detailed descs mod when

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btw

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:32 PM

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good idea

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:33 PM

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however i do think sqrt*10 to be a little strange

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its clear indication of the power yes but it's also a poor guideline because of how things scale with st and mag

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not much you can do about it though

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"does (bp) damage" is slightly misleading

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just looking at descriptions you can be misled about a skill being better when in reality it is worse due to the persona's stats

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:35 PM

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that was to make it look nice

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:35 PM

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thats not what i mean

inland crystal May 2, 2024, 5:36 PM

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hollow trail "does (bp) damage" is slightly misleading

could do something like "Deals (damage type) Damage with X Base Power"

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:36 PM

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for example, a 30 power phys skill on junpei would be better than a 40 power mag skill, due to his strength, and shit magic

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but the description will mislead you otherwise

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:36 PM

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inland crystal could do something like "Deals (damage type) Damage with X Base Power"

thats slightly better

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"base" power is an important distinction

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:37 PM

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Hm....

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:37 PM

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it's the base

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i like your drain/repel descriptions though

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mega based

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:37 PM

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I'd assume the player of this mod would be knowledgeable of how to read how base and power works

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:37 PM

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Did I even change those

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:37 PM

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the evade ones i'd probably say "reduces by 40%" rather than "sets to 60%"

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you did

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:38 PM

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That was onion chan then

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:38 PM

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drain says "drains incoming (elem) damage so it will heal you instead of damaging"

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and repel says "reflects back (elem) damage to the enemy so they hit themselves"

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or smth

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makes it clearer

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:38 PM

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iron pilot I'd assume the player of this mod would be knowledgeable of how to read how base...

bad assumption

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a lot of mod users have no idea how the game works

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and the descs will make it worse

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:39 PM

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hollow trail the evade ones i'd probably say "reduces by 40%" rather than "sets to 60%"

60% hit rate from incoming x attacks

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:39 PM

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Yeah but those guys wouldn't download this, would they?

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:39 PM

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they would because they have a baseline understanding that the descriptions are bad, but they do not know why they are bad

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:40 PM

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ashen pulsar 60% hit rate from incoming x attacks

yeah i understand what it means but it sounds funny

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:40 PM

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Was made to match Ali dance

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:40 PM

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does it hard set it to 60% or does it actually reduce by 40

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:40 PM

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0.6x hit rate

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:40 PM

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but it stacks with sukukaja, and no other passive right

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:41 PM

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Yes

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:41 PM

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is it not effectively a base 40% reduction to the hit rate then

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:41 PM

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Not exactly

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It's a multiplier

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:42 PM

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"sets to 0.6x" would give me the impression it is hard set at 60% and would not be affected by suku

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:42 PM

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Doesn't say sets to

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:43 PM

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yeah i just feel like "reduces by", whatever the value, is clearer in its stacking with suku

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:43 PM

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dunno not really my project anymore

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:44 PM

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not correcting you, just discussing the theory

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naotoshrug

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:44 PM

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a game theory

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:44 PM

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if you dont care tho, fair enough

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:44 PM

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reference!!

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I think how it is is clearer

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:45 PM

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i also don't fully understand the logic behind distinguishing multipliers and percentages

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math moment

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:46 PM

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Percentages are usually additive

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:46 PM

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and sukukaja and sukunda are multiplicative

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:46 PM

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true....

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:46 PM

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i was asking lul

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:47 PM

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Oh I didn't remember

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:47 PM

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i thought boosts were all additive

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:47 PM

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No

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Everything is multiplicative unless specified otherwise

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:48 PM

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i thought the crit ones were additive

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:48 PM

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(they never tell you)

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:48 PM

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yeah base game doesn't tell you

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But the goal was to make it so it does

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:49 PM

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hollow trail i thought the crit ones were additive

Apt pupil is multiplicative , crit rate boost/amp are additive, rebellion/revolution are additive

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:50 PM

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Ailment crit ups are additive

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:50 PM

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Oh and midsurus trait is additive

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:50 PM

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(they never tell you this)

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:50 PM

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Standard boosts are multiplicative

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:50 PM

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Lmfao

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:51 PM

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For some reason firm stance is accounted for in boost cap

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Fun stuff

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:51 PM

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I think the damage formula basically has it in the "other multiplier factor" thingy in the formula

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So like, boosts multiplies in full do but Firm Stance then halves it

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:52 PM

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rare mastery goemon w

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Wait do any enemies even have it

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:52 PM

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Nope

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:53 PM

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ashen pulsar Standard boosts are multiplicative

This is why stacking is so powerful

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And makes 7 passives the only viable way to deal damage

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:55 PM

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call me crazy but i like 7 passive design

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maybe not 7

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but like 4 or 5

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what is even better than 7 passive design however

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is 7 passive equipment design

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could have an upgradeable system of sorts

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with up to 3 slots

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could call it mistique or smth

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:56 PM

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95%

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:56 PM

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And then, as a compromise, only 6 conventional skill slots

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:56 PM

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could even start with only 4 so you are limited in the early game and slowly gain more options

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:57 PM

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yeah!

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:57 PM

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could even have an upgrade that lets you fully wipe a demon's skill on fusion

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so you can inherit all 6 slots

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:57 PM

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that wasn't stock?

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:57 PM

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was it?

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it's an upgrade in smtv

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i forgot how it goes for sh2

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:57 PM

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smtw

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:58 PM

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hollow trail could even start with only 4 so you are limited in the early game and slowly gai...

i saw people drop this game over the 4 skill slots btw

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filtered by the tutorial

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:58 PM

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rs op

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 5:59 PM

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It was stock in IV and IV A

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Alignment locked miracle in V

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:59 PM

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ashen pulsar rs op

i have also seen people drop the game over R.S. thinking the entire difficulty was gonna stay the same throughout the whole game

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"oh this is too easy"

just finished sabbath tutorial

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 5:59 PM

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I don't even think rs was bad

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 5:59 PM

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people are so bad faith with sh2 its crazy

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rs was fine

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he's easy but you also have no tools at that point

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it couldn't be much harder

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he's a tutorial

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 6:01 PM

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iron pilot 95%

femc

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 6:26 PM

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what did bro mean by that???

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 6:26 PM

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LOL

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 6:26 PM

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naotroll

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 6:27 PM

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Ok to be fair it's movie length

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 6:27 PM

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is the fight really that long

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peril

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 6:27 PM

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Nah I added in Takaya and Jin too

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 6:27 PM

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oh

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 6:27 PM

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why didn't you compress

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 6:28 PM

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P3M moment

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 6:28 PM

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I'd wager 80 mins

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 6:28 PM

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time to watch at 4x speed

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jk

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 6:29 PM

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I'll give it 30 more mins

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 6:29 PM

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i mean it has a link now if it's processing

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 6:30 PM

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Good point

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https://youtu.be/iIHEANh3QE4

YouTube

BothDoorsCares

1/31 Boss Rush P3R Master Quest Mod (Persona 3 Reload, Merciless)

So, basically all the three fights present at the final day of Persona 3 Reload. I opted to bring a varied set of members to each fight, all being relatively low leveled compared to the intended level to beat these. Overall, pretty fun. Although the last fight might be a tad too long for some people's tastes.

I refrained from doing the most opt...

▶ Play video

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 6:30 PM

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what did they mean by this?

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 6:30 PM

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ye still doing base processing

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 6:32 PM

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I disabled video history on my channel

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So it's probably cocomelon bullshit on the rec

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 6:34 PM

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oop

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 6:34 PM

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I think it finished

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 6:35 PM

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low res version is up

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yea

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 6:35 PM

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70 mins

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 6:35 PM

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360p lets goooooo

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 6:35 PM

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lmfao

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 6:35 PM

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iron pilot 70 mins

it wont be that long

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hd is always faster than it claims for sm reason

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 6:35 PM

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No I mean the length of the thingy

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 6:35 PM

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ahh

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you did mc/yukari only wtf lol

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 6:36 PM

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iron pilot No I mean the length of the thingy

sus?

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 6:37 PM

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For one, it's funny

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And another, it's so I use everyone in the fights

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It's a level 81 Yukari too iirc

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 6:38 PM

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interesting

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so removing the level scaling ended up being a good idea

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 6:38 PM

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yay

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you can thank me later

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 6:38 PM

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❤️

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 6:39 PM

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I intentionally let Junpei die of a drain in there

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To show it off

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 6:39 PM

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oh right i gotta see the SP drains

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i'll wait a bit for the hd version

iron pilot May 2, 2024, 6:40 PM

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Most of the mistakes in there except Nyx is basically some intentional stuffs

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I think

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Lmao

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 7:16 PM

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damn youtube servers are ass

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 7:45 PM

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720p version out

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demi_woke

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all your videos are 720 so i assume this one is too

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 9:53 PM

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iron pilot https://youtu.be/iIHEANh3QE4

watched entire thing

Jin seemed fine, but needs HP reduction so it's not literally 40000 HP boss slog. Reducing to 12000 maybe, would make it Armageddon + Theurgia combo to finish him off
What's the point of charging haxman when it's 2.0x? Only case I can think of is to rush and skip the killshot buff phase (which you did!)
Wasting your theurgies on purpose was really funny
Was also very funny to watch you spam odd morsels instead of eating the damn fuuka cookie, but it proves you don't need it, unless you're taking Mitsuru/Yukari/Dog/Aigis, which I don't know yet if it's possible
I might just make it so Fuuka gives you a cookie if you don't have one
Fool probably needs hp reduction, you were just throwing buffs at it with nothing happening
Interesting that you ignored weaknesses despite having all severes on mc
Hermit is fucked, but only because you had Aigis I suppose
Hanged's morning star is also fucked, but you survived, so
Hanged repel strat is intricate and funny enough that I don't mind it
Saving the cookie for Nyx was funny lol
Shows a point though, you were only really spamming items and not using any moves at all and idk if that's a problem
All the repelling in Death phase is kinda fine, I think it's only funny if you're going solo, but solo is very unique so idk
King and I should probably be added to list of punished theurgia?
In death phase, the "fortune" didn't do severe 1more chain, but this is maybe ok
nyx took a break after night queen, this allowed you to finish it off, wondering if that's ok

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 9:58 PM

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i think if you have to punish all useful theurgia that's representative of a bigger problem

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 10:01 PM

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ashen pulsar i think if you have to punish all useful theurgia that's representative of a big...

i disagree, this is a an exception to the rule in the same vein as Elizabeth's armageddon ban

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it forces you to at least deplete 10k hp without an extreme killshot

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in every other battle so far it's been acceptable

dreamy orchid May 2, 2024, 10:05 PM

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real ones will use Trickster

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 10:05 PM

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right but you're kind of asking for the player to know what the developer is thinking in the same way, but with more vague/unclear bans

like, unless someone reads all the notes, they might just be getting one shot after a 40 minute battle without really knowing why

why not tackle the root of the problem and make them not an extreme killshot, or alternatively, attune the rate of theurgia charge lower such that they don't need to be banned?

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 10:05 PM

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again, i disagree

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and i guess i'll go into detail

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 10:08 PM

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yay

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 10:14 PM

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It's not remotely close to a "guess what the developer is thinking" moment comparatively to Elizabeth. The punish does not guarantee a gameover, it's just a very strong combination of retaliatory moves. You used your strongest move, Nyx returns the favor
No, I will not nerf Theurgia even more. No, I will not nerf Amageddon, particularly Armageddon is non-negotiable. The move is too iconic to remove and I will not budge on that.
Every theurgy so far, including Bleeding Fury, Hack n Blast, and Scarlet Havoc has been relatively balanced so far in MQ. Yes, they are excessive damage-dealing moves, but setting them up is much tougher in MQ as you lose all gauge at the start of a battle and survivability is a higher challenge. I feel like I've incorporated the overpowered nature of these moves and turned it into an earned aid towards the win condition rather than a literal free win button. Armageddon is generally the exception, but all bosses are HP-capped on 1/31, and there are no usable SP items anymore, so throwing Armageddon willy-nilly is suicide. It being the final blow at the very end of a battle is fine. That is the intention behind making Nyx have 20k HP as well. Enabling Armageddon as the final blow, but punishing you if used too early.
Arguably, the punish might not even be needed: Armageddon is virtually suicide due to you losing all SP, and you need several King and Is/Scarlet Havocs to finish off Nyx. Frankly I added Scarlet Havoc to the punish list with vanilla P3N balance in mind but I'm not even sure it's applicable anymore

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 10:23 PM

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wdym armageddon is suicide? running out of sp on protag only is no big deal

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 10:23 PM

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it is potentially pretty bad

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 10:23 PM

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hmm

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 10:23 PM

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sure ig you can just spam items

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 10:24 PM

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nah i just mean like

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have a party member heal you

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do w/e for 5 turns until armageddon comes back

hollow trail May 2, 2024, 10:24 PM

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mc theurgia does not charge in 5 turns without casting persona skills lol

ashen pulsar May 2, 2024, 10:24 PM

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phys?

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