#Persona 3 Reload | Master Quest

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iron pilot
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Oh the cap's level 84

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Lmao

hollow trail
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final gatekeeper is lv84?

iron pilot
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Oh nah, Shadow of the void is

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81

hollow trail
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you cant farm shadow of the void tho

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can you

iron pilot
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Well true, you can't

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Although I don't doubt it can be solo'd

hollow trail
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i forgot what level i made jin and takaya

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90 and 95 i think?

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with nyx at 99

iron pilot
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Hmmmmmm

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Pretty sure I just need to be 84

hollow trail
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lemme know if you manage ig

iron pilot
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Tenjin Musha's level 79

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That's the red enemy

hollow trail
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reaper needs to be beatable at level cap pre-jin

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or at least pre-nyx

iron pilot
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So 82?

hollow trail
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i mean 82 technically yes but i wouldn't grind those 3 levels at 0.25x

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personally

iron pilot
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But if you're smart about beating bosses solo in some cases, you might be able to hop on 84

hollow trail
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at that point, you armageddon.. lol

iron pilot
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Well, no

hollow trail
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when is armagussy

iron pilot
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You need to be 88

hollow trail
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86?

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ah

iron pilot
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So 83

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With sun card

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Hmmmm shit

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Messiah's 91

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So that needs 86

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Or did I get the math wrong

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Oh yeah...this fucker's 87

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Lmao

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Ok ok, I won't use armor of light

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Cause you can't

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I'll also mod menu myself to 82

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Hmmm this means no Lucifer Blade either

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I guess that's expected

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100 HP/SP sword time

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Oh wait it's just SP

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Lmao

hollow trail
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oh wait you're trying to solo the mf

iron pilot
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No

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I doubt it's doable with my setup atm

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But technically....

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You can hop to higher levels if you solo some bosses, I reckon

hollow trail
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yeah

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temporarily anyway

iron pilot
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I tried getting all amps lmfao

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Probably why I got that high

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Anyways this probably means you can't do Armageddon first kill

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Unless, like

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They're smart and got to level 83

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Anyways this means Metatron's the highest level persona fusable with these restrictions

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Well if someone manages to get to level 84 they have Lucifer Blade

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I'm the goat frfr

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this might be near optimal

iron pilot
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Vanilla Savefile, prep'd for the reaper and got some materials to get certain equips like Surt Sword

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I'll get to editing with MQ active in a bit

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then I'll try my hand on the reaper

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editing my level to 82 I think

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And changing equips

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To line up to a dude with level 87 stock

iron pilot
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Hmmmmmm I can cheese him lol

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Repel all Metatron's usable

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Soooooooo

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That's a nuke strat anyone can do

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Basically you just cast Tetrakarn every time and rakunda

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But you can work a bit harder and get actual repel passives in there

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You need repel slash, strike, pierce, ice and dark

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All obtainable levels before

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If nothing else, that is a legitimate option

iron pilot
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Hmmmm could you edit persona levels

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It'll be fine in this case, Helel is the highest leveled star arcana persona so it won't do anything of note recipes wise

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I think it would be funny to force people to beat the reaper legitimately at least once

iron pilot
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Ok I'm gonna see if I'll die lmao

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If I do, I'll probably bring out Ken

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Oh waut

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From what I can tell, the theurgia charge isn't nerfed when the reaper is engaged

iron pilot
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Midsuru hard carried

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14 mins, not bad

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmnmm

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freeze might be too reliable?

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but on the other hand, Mitsuru is very squishy

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we beating the fraud allegations with this one

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actually, thinking of it

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we can combo off of freeze + shock

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freeze to guarantee pass to Akihiko then use theurgia

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so bro's stunlocked 100% lmao

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anyways someone keeps on dying

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so the protag's basically on healing duty the entire time except when you can Scarlet Havoc

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with this fight, I'd say nerf Diamond Dust's freeze rate because it's basically guaranteed lmao

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I think only the Theurgias should be 100% reliable with those

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30% maybe?

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I'll try other parties

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Let's see, let's do Koro/Yukari/Aigis

iron pilot
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that was way better

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11 mins

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and I was just using magic

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Ken hard carried

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no one died at all in this one,

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I guess we can do a hybrid of sorts

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let's see

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Akihiko, Junpei, Yukari maybe

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oh

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nah let's do Akihiko, Aigis, Junpei

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balls deep

iron pilot
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probably the most fun one, it's balanced

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didn't die either, mostly because I know what to expect

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give this mf insta heal btw

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no chance in hell should I be able to wail on him on 2 sets of turns

celest kindle
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Reaper Diarahan

iron pilot
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I'll devise an OP strat hol' up

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with this in mind I think going Midsuru + Junpei + Ken will be the best composition possible

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that or replace Midsuru with Akihiko

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but that guy needs full theurgia first turn

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speedrun time

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For now though, general improvement is insta heal 100%

hollow trail
iron pilot
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Hmmmm maybe not nerf diamond dust

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I was just getting good rng lmao

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Meta imo

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if it critted, he'd be dead

but if not, all shield active so he'd be dead (unless he uses an IK)

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I'll take the old savefile now

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Oh I didn't showcase Metatron repel strat

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Shit

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Too late

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Lmao

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I think you can do it with the skill cards I have

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If not, just mod menu repel phys cards

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And repel ice and repel dark (Seth/Arahabaki so they're obtainable)

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Oh yeah should I post all of these

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So you see some AI stuff

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One moment in particular is the reaper just wanting to kill Junpei in particular

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So just using Makarakarn with Ken just

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Did 600 damage every turn

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Lmao

hollow trail
iron pilot
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Midsuru survived an Agidyne + crit Vile Assault combo

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Funniest shit ever

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Hmmmm

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What if you remove that null dizzy

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Ehhhh on the other hand, he's using some shit crit skills

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It'll be fineeeee

hollow trail
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will he get up

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if he does dizzying is the same as down, so it's ok

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i'd crit rate amp instead of apt pupil tho

iron pilot
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Yeah actually

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Crit rate amp better

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Also for insta heal on dizzy

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Good question

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I think it does?

hollow trail
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guess we'll be trying it out

hollow trail
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@iron pilot

iron pilot
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Ok, I'll retry that savefile then

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I'm eating though so gimme a few min

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Let's see, it says here weapons have 50% dizzy rate

hollow trail
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i think dizzying the reaper is gonna be bad

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since you cant freeze/shock dizzy enemies

iron pilot
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That's true

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But it is a turn to breathe

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Well it's better than stunlock mcgee tho

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Technically if Akihiko's lucky af or you do the thunder reign yourself

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You can shock stunlock the guy

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OG P3 reference because not guaranteed

hollow trail
iron pilot
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Yeah

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I think that's fine

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They don't have a chance to get dizzy with a phys crit tho

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Only when you AoA or hit again

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Likely you already expended the freeze or it's shock so dizzy can't override

hollow trail
hollow trail
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oh whoops

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mad bull and shit is also healing wrong

iron pilot
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F

hollow trail
hollow trail
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LOL

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Rampage drive still had 10 hp

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from my testing version

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insta killed

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gotta fix that

hollow trail
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without the items and without zio this boss is hella pain

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pray distress RNG so junpei can crit

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and pray to kill before sp runs out

ashen pulsar
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Suggestion: nerf its HP to 420 (get it haha)

hollow trail
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surely the 2 hp will make it better

ashen pulsar
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did you get rid of the poison bow

hollow trail
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indirectly

iron pilot
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Rage bow goated af frfr on god

hollow trail
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poison bow isnt that good

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lol

iron pilot
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I never poisoned it, actually

ashen pulsar
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Oh right you made poison do doo doo damage

hollow trail
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is poison bow before the axle even

ashen pulsar
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Yeah

hollow trail
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i dont have enough fragments to open the chest on floor 5

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so i dont have it

ashen pulsar
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would be useless with poison nerf tho yea

hollow trail
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not really

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5% of the hp enables stall strat

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you can sustain for sure

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better than relying on bewilder rng

ashen pulsar
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Isn't bewilder significantly higher odds than poison

hollow trail
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yes, but it is also costly and you will run out of sp before it's even down to half hp most of the time

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poison bow is free to try and you can stall much longer than if you were bewildering

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i think as is poison bow is ok for this one fight

ashen pulsar
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well not free to try if you don't have the fragments naotroll

hollow trail
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okay

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but

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it's a valid stall strat and one that is not overwhelmingly op

ashen pulsar
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does poison linger out of battle still or nah

hollow trail
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it relies on sustain through guard and dia management

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(no items)

hollow trail
ashen pulsar
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L

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can't enter bosses with poison to block more threatening ailments

iron pilot
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Ayo insta heal works bro

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Can confirm 100%

hollow trail
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on dizzy?

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niiice

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is it more balanced now

iron pilot
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I'll show it in a bit hol' up

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I'm trying to beat it rn

hollow trail
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gl

iron pilot
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It's more balanced but meta didn't change so yay

ashen pulsar
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Amada peaking

iron pilot
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I won but someone died due to bad rng

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Lmao

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And OBS didn't pick it up

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Mfw

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I'll try again I guess

iron pilot
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The goattttt

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Anyways I'm trying to get the dizzy on cam

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So uhhh, wait on that

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Lmao

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I'll post the fight too if you wanna see

hollow trail
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Apsaras + Orpheus -> Transfer Tarunda -> Nekomata

Nekomata + Orpheus -> Transfer Rakunda and Tarunda (Optional) -> Omoikane

Zio -> Cancel AoA -> Rakunda -> Bow -> Guard (Bash if Dizzy) -> Loop: ( Zio -> AoA -> Bow -> Guard )

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done in seconds

hollow trail
iron pilot
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Lmfao

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To be fair that's like, with revolution on

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1% crit rate, right?

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Holy shit I managed to land a disgusting combo lmfao

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Junpeak

hard vault
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He didn't even need the freeze guaranteed crit, he's da man

iron pilot
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Nah he had like, 23% crit rate on that one

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Even less since the reaper has 99 Lu

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Honestly surprised it landed

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Oh wait

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33%

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Huh, to be conservative I'll say 25%

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Anyways even if this is disgusting af, likely no one will stumble on this by themselves

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Because everyone thinks the ailment nulls are garbage, not a lot will be prepared with a party for this

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They'll likely play more defensively

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I can see people intentionally making Ken low at the start too using pinaka

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Yay insta heal

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The more I think of it

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Why tf don't they just give insta heal to a lot of bosses then

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This is way more fun, it doesn't invalidate ailments and it doesn't make Mitsuru's first half of her charge condition irrelevant

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I get the idea of nulling distress tho

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It's a super tarunda

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But technically you can force it to be just a crit modifier with insta heal

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Sooooo

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Oh I have a big brain idea

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I'll do it with best magic setup lmao

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Akihiko/Yukari/Junpei

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Hmmmmmmm do you think it's like, too much though

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Maybe buff it to 20K for the meme lmao

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Because that's just level 78 no incenses

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Except Ken who's 82 like me

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And that's 9K damage, 11K if you count the concentrated repels beforehand

iron pilot
hollow trail
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priestess without items and recarm kinda nutty

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ngl

iron pilot
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Takoyaki will save you

hollow trail
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ah

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right

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reaper starts with theurgy

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gotta figure out that reset

iron pilot
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I technically tried it without too and it was still a W

hollow trail
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ah

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you're abusing killer_weak()

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it's always going for junpei so you're giving him karn

iron pilot
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Yeah lol

hollow trail
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i can make it random

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maybe

iron pilot
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Do it

hollow trail
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oh wtf it doesnt change the icon

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rip

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gotta double check that

iron pilot
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Magic took 9 mins to do the reaper

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Considering I did not have Mastery, not bad

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Although uhhh, maybe Midsuru's better than Fraudihiko

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Let's do that

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Like, I can use the freeze to knockdown before protag and Junpei do their magic Theurgia

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And btw, fraud did less damage than Junpei

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Lmfao

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Oh yeah btw, if the dude nulls ailments, the negative effect of the items cannot proc

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I think that's earned though

hollow trail
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yeah ofc

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im confused with wtf defines the icon of an item

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oh

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that explains it

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my shit didnt save

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unreal engine you are ASS

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i legit wonder how many consumables actually dont do what i edited it to do

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because not saving

iron pilot
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F

hollow trail
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guess i gotta go through them all eventually

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for now i gotta figure out how to make reaper (and strega) not laser focus into karned party members

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i don't want to wholesale disable them hitting karned members by going megidolaon or smth

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but at the same time making the selection random is gonna take time

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@iron pilot what if instead of full random i make it so they still go in order, but if they detect karn it's 75% chance to give up and go to the next target

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and if it gives up on all of them, megidolaon

iron pilot
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As long as it doesn't go for the one with the lowest ID number all the time first, more than fine for me

hollow trail
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i think it's going by element actually

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lol

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fraudihiko being at the top

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(ice)

iron pilot
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Oh it's element?

hollow trail
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i think so

iron pilot
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Wait...

hollow trail
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let me double check

iron pilot
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Idk Mitsuru was in there

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She'd be main target with that, no?

hollow trail
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ICE
WIND
LIGHT
DARK
FIRE
ELECTRIC
ZANGEKI
DAGEKI
KANTSU

iron pilot
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But I do recall Akihiko getting fucked more often when I was using him and Junpei

hollow trail
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yeah it's Aki first

iron pilot
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Buff amp boy cannot stop taking Ls

hollow trail
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i consider it a W

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he evades more and has evade ice, so reaper going for him usually means he won't get hits in

iron pilot
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Good argument

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However

hollow trail
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this is unironically sukukaja w

iron pilot
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Ziodyne
God's Hand
Charge
Debilitate
Elec Boost
Elec Amp
High Counter
Single Target Boost

R/C Geta/Hallowed Boots

hollow trail
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that's not aki's fault, that's the choice of skills and gear you made

iron pilot
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Ideally you'd put Ali Dance on him but that's not attainable at this level

hollow trail
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anyway i'll give karn cancelling a shot

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before committing to full random

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which is way more effort

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you can still predict and guard instead of karn, i can't stop that

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but that hurts less than literal 1000 reflect damage for free

iron pilot
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1.4K Junpeak repel

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Does buff amp nerf repel?

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Buff amo L?

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Well, looking at this footage more, he has a chance of just removing the all makara with ailment

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So that's funny

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What's that thing's chance tho

hollow trail
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Fixed xmas gift effects (didnt check icon tho)

When targeting weaknesses (single target), it will detect Karns, and if Karns are up, it will have a 75% chance to give up and move to the next target. If it gives up on everyone, it'll just do something else

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@iron pilot if you'd like to test so i can apply this to takaya and jin too

iron pilot
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Ok I'll try it in a bit

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I'm doing magic reaper lol

hollow trail
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seems to be working

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it went for ken instead this time

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then on the one more it procced 25% and went for junpei

iron pilot
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goated

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that's nice

hollow trail
iron pilot
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magic reaper is just 8 mins let's goooooooooooo

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it's fun in its own right, like

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you want to charge up Yukari and Junpei's theurgia the most

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Since me and Mitsuru cast ailments, her theurgia charges pretty fast

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I'm intentionally letting them get hit so Yukari heals

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and Mitsuru's freeze give Junpei free crits

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lmfao

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I bet it can reach 6 mins if protag had Mastery

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wait

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that's effectively better than Hack and Blast reliability wise

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lmfao

hollow trail
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magic junpei

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peaking

iron pilot
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better than fraud with buff amp and single target

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no joke

hard vault
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That's crazy

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This reminds me actually it's a shame that Junpei doesn't have cool ass fire sword as a weapon anymore

iron pilot
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That's what I'm saying!!!

hard vault
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Was that one of the ultimate weapons or?

iron pilot
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oh yeah they have OG clothes because lategame magic meta in OG

hard vault
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I honestly never got far enough in Portable to get the thing so i have no idea

iron pilot
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hmmmmm I think I can improve this

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with hallowed boots

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ehhhh too lazy

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magic mastery protag will clear better

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but in theory, it would nearly equal hack and blast........

hard vault
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Crit Hack or Non Crit Hack

iron pilot
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(with shift boost activated)

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that blaze of life did not

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in this one he has auto tarukabellion shoes (basically required for the phys ver reliability wise)

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but if we just multiply that by 1.1x and 1.2x.....

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holy shit it does more

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lmfaooooo

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I love Junpei bro frfr

hard vault
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And this is just on enemies who are Neutral to Fire

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This just instantly obliterates anything with a fire weakness

iron pilot
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Junpeak Iori

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says here that blaze of life will do 4.6K damage

hard vault
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That's why he's the goat

bronze seal
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i buff life stones to +35%, meow nerfs them to +15%. the duality of man, life stone haters and life stone supporters.

ashen pulsar
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Jack sexo ok

hollow trail
bronze seal
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i buff cutlet sandwich to 100, he nerfs it to 37... man hates sandwiches...

hollow trail
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there's too much food in the game, gotta decrease its supply to increase its demand

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yknow

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In your case i get it though

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you've disproportionately boosted enemy damage

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so healing is a necessity

bronze seal
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yeah, i get your approach too. i'm not prioritizing resource management because i believe sp management is not possible to balance as a replacement for fatigue, and i'm not going to try to force it.

hollow trail
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I'm not necessarily forcing it as much as I'm simply making it less free

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The second popreg opcode support comes to the decompiler I'm adding Fatigue to the game

bronze seal
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yeah, just a matter of priorities

iron pilot
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It'd be funny if tanaka sells meth

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please make Tanaka sell meth

hollow trail
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takemi cocaine sequel

bronze seal
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that is something i wasn't holding my breath for a mod for, but it'd be great if we did. i was actually planning to do a mod that restored cut unvoiced dorm dialogue, but a good chunk of it is related to fatigue.

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would pair well together with tactics and fatigue mods, anyway

hollow trail
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i know exactly how to implement fatigue

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i know all the code needed

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i just need access to the fucking init

bronze seal
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yeah, i saw you were working on it

hollow trail
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I can basically make it count down a timer on all actions (Fighting, beating keepers, returning to the entrance, opening chests)

then have them warn you they're tired or about to become tired, and if that's happened, they leave upon returning to entrance

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this also makes the clocks inside Tartarus itself useful

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since those have no use

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(can return to ground floor clock)

bronze seal
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i think they took more "fatigue damage" from getting knocked down or ko'd, right?

hollow trail
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Afaik it was just on battle end

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scaled with level

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they'd become insta tired if they were dead and you left them behind

bronze seal
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might have just been misinfo then. i remember they don't like being left dead though, yeah.

iron pilot
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real question is

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will yawn b gone return

bronze seal
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please no

hollow trail
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no because i can't make items run a BF procedure

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otherwise i could've

iron pilot
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oh yeah btw you didn't pin latest MQ ver

hollow trail
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shot

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did you try it yet

iron pilot
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just installing now

iron pilot
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I'm bringing Fraud

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fraud, peak, kid should be good

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Koro has null light so he doesn't do shit

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I'll just check if he doesn't hit Akihiko all the time, right?

hollow trail
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p much

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i mean

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he will if you don't karn

iron pilot
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Honestly him being a scapegoat is pretty interesting

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He tanks the most out of everyone technically

hollow trail
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i didnt choose the priority

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this is what atlus picked for takaya actually

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i just pasted it over with some changes

iron pilot
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Nah like, yeah it's unintentional but

hollow trail
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it might not be

iron pilot
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He's like, the best man for the job

hollow trail
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for the reaper aoe weakness scan they didnt do element

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they straight up did users

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order is like

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mitsuru

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yukari

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forgot the rest

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its 50% chance to skip tho

bronze seal
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i remember aigis says in reload, "i will use a gun in combat, its attack and accuracy are not particularly high, but [REDACTED]" instead of "i will not go down if i miss"

hard vault
iron pilot
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Ok he hit Akihiko first time

iron pilot
hard vault
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No i know

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Execution

iron pilot
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God's Hand on protag, interesting

bronze seal
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i remember junpei saying he's good with phys skills because real men fight with their fists, then realizing he uses a sword. funny dialogue that helps link the character personalities to the gameplay like was the point of tactics.

iron pilot
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Virus Breath/Megidolaon

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Eigaon on Ken

hollow trail
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but it knocked down?

iron pilot
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Nope

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Divine Intervention was up

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Zamn he did a wombo combo

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How did it go...

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Mahamaon, Bufudyne on Akihiko (dies) then Maeigaon (Ken knocked down) then Vile Assault (Ken repels)

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Dekaja to Mabufudyne to Garudyne on Junpei (dies) then Vile Assault on Akihiko (dies)

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Mudoon on Akihiko (repelled) then Evil Smile

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Magarudyne to vile assault on junpei (repelled) to another Magarudyne

hollow trail
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holy shit?

iron pilot
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Killed him

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Lmfao

hollow trail
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Seems like it became better tho

iron pilot
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Aye, 100%

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This is good now, I think

hollow trail
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i gotta see this

iron pilot
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Although maybe buff HP a bit?

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Oh, I didn't record

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Lmfao

hollow trail
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it's already 16000 hp tho...

dreamy orchid
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anything more and it might just feel spongey

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like doors don't you have 99 all stat personas lol

hollow trail
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already might be if you're not doors

iron pilot
hollow trail
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your builds are still good tho

iron pilot
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Junpeak magic > Junpeak phys in this one boys

dreamy orchid
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the people who don't even know that boost and amp stack will be eaten alive by 30,000 hp reaper

iron pilot
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Lmfao

bronze seal
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those people don't use mods, i think

iron pilot
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Anyways I love this fight now

dreamy orchid
iron pilot
dreamy orchid
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total magic victory

iron pilot
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Magic ver (fun in its own way)

hollow trail
iron pilot
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technically phys is faster but

I didn't have Mastery
Junpei don't have shift boost + amp

hollow trail
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bet, will get on it rn

iron pilot
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it shouldn't affect solo

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unless they're using karns

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lmfao

dreamy orchid
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Is Koro replaced by Haxman in your phys run doors?

iron pilot
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uhhh

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no, actually

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Junpeak + Midsuru + Kenneth

dreamy orchid
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is ken on karn spamming duty?

iron pilot
#

speaking of kenneth

iron pilot
dreamy orchid
#

fight would've been a wrap if you brought him in at half sp

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Ken is the real haxman tbh he's goated

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He's the Robin to Akihiko's Haxman

iron pilot
#

fuck that analogy makes sense

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lmfaooo

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anyways these ones I showed is still technically possible if you have luck

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lmfao

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but with this final tweak, they're not 100% anymore sooooo

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lmfao

dreamy orchid
#

You're probably set as long as you bring Ken tbh

iron pilot
#

nah

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well

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if he has tonbo kiri at least, maybe

dreamy orchid
#

he should be able to tank decent enough

iron pilot
#

oh yeah due to him having endure, you can see me giving him endure + enduring soul

dreamy orchid
#

imo all he needs is like null dark accessory

iron pilot
dreamy orchid
#

oh true

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he gets insta-heal weapon right?

iron pilot
#

nah it's unshaken will

dreamy orchid
#

oh that's better even

iron pilot
#

there's an armor variant everyone can use

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that's what I have on everyone on all of those attempts

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not everyone will be inclined to get those though, sooooo uhhh

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well Aigis gets insta heal

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and you can get amritite necklace

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and you can get insta heal accessory from santa

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null fear shoes

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there ya go, 4 man party that's nearly impervious to ailment

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although in this case, Koro kinda sucks

dreamy orchid
#

First ever Koromaru L?

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ngl Koro kind of seems ass in master quest

iron pilot
#

he's kinda not worth it if you get charge herbs

dreamy orchid
#

Getsu-ei nerf really hurts him

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Not a bad thing to nerf the skill its just the fact that he gets it so late at level 39 which fucks him over

iron pilot
#

nah he's still goated, he will be item dispenser due to his high Ag

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but uh

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there's better picks

dreamy orchid
#

item bot character is kind of an L

#

Ken also has high ag but also can do healing and shit

#

mitsuru is 2nd highest ag too

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He'd work well still in phys setups tho

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pretty reliant on synergy but that's fine for a support

iron pilot
#

Akihiko

dreamy orchid
#

Once he gets debilitate yea

iron pilot
#

Protag is better for the phys strat on reaper, revolution's basically what Koro can contribute there and well

#

Yeah

dreamy orchid
#

i still think the theurgia is nice tho

#

sure its not needed per se but its objectively more damage

iron pilot
#

Nah like, setup wise you have a lot of turns to burn

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So the AoE charge nature of the theurgia isn't that helpful

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Ken + Mitsuru + Junpei is just a very good synergy

hollow trail
#

whats this

iron pilot
#

repel strat
Marakunda bot for stronger repels
Two on freeze duty

hollow trail
#

different gear options being considered

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in a persona game

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😱

dreamy orchid
#

hasn't been seen since perusona three...

iron pilot
#

I'm back to vanilla now yay

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Oh right MQ Takaya/Jin....

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Ehhh I'll just mod menu the skills

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That or run a shitty Akihiko and an illegal koro

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Lmfao

hollow trail
#

jin element order is diff from takaya's

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well

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makes sense

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cuz of nades

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i gave reaper takaya's order i think its fine

hollow trail
iron pilot
#

Take your time mate

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I'm gonna turn off the PC for a bit

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Lmao

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Anyways since reaper is beatable at the prescribed levels and level scaling isn't a factor

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This means, like

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I can hop on Takaya/Jin at 99 right

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I won't do it but based on the feasibility it's possible for a player to be 99 at this point

hollow trail
#

well

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jin is lv90

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takaya is lv95

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nyx is lv99

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my idea was maybe Jin, Takaya, Reaper, Nyx

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makes sense too since in movie reaper is after strega

iron pilot
#

That's true

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Lmao

hollow trail
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i am compiling the new stregas rn

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will post in a sec

iron pilot
#

I like that bit when Aigis shot Jin's arm and he pulled it away like he was a girl that got her hand burnt

hollow trail
#

Reaper, Jin, Takaya, Jin2 and Takaya2 now have a 75% chance to give up hitting a Karned weakness, moving onto the next weak target instead

iron pilot
#

So you're telling me

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I just need to roll 25% twice

hollow trail
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good luck

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i don't wanna invalidate karn

iron pilot
#

I'll win the 1.6K double repel mate

hollow trail
#

just Karn everyone

iron pilot
#

Technically I could make Ken spam Divine Intervention, true.....

hollow trail
#

can't you like

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buy a bajillion magic mirror

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and just spam that over and over

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and give mc a weakness too

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to bait

iron pilot
#

That's the crux of metatron repel strat

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Yes

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I'd be solo though

hollow trail
#

oh but with a party it would be dope tho

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cuz reaper likes to aoe

iron pilot
#

Yeah, in that case it'd be like

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Koro, Ken (with null dark), Junpei

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Or Akihiko

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It's a lot of mirrors though, I'd imagine

#

But if you didn't touch how much they cost, they're still pretty damn cheap

hollow trail
#

16k HP, 500 average reflection

iron pilot
#

Intentionally let him heat riser and just use rakunda

hollow trail
#

oh yeah cuz he's attacking himself

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king shit

iron pilot
#

I like how Junpei is somehow always integral to these

#

Lmfao

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Technically he has Marakukaja in case bro uses Megidolaon instead

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So he's technically a better pick than Akihiko

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Aigis is also suitable for this reason

hollow trail
#

huh

#

does almighty behave differently with debuffs

iron pilot
#

Wdym

#

Nah I mean like

hollow trail
iron pilot
#

Oh yeah it is

#

It nerfs the repel damage

hollow trail
#

oh

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ofc

iron pilot
#

Debilitate is also no good for this reason

#

Koro is used over Mitsuru because he is the easiest character to get no weakness on

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Making stuff reliable

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Although she does have Marakunda

#

Well you can technically create null element equips at that point sooooo

#

Lmao

dreamy orchid
iron pilot
#

Ken Endure + Enduring soul trust

hollow trail
#

priestess is so tuff now hahaha

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yukari died, had to use gems and get best possible gear from kurosawa

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almost ran into sp issue too

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jack frost only had zio bufu and rakunda tho

iron pilot
#

Jack Frost with Agi

hollow trail
#

the agi is only good for the tiaras

#

priestess is neutral to fire

#

remember

iron pilot
#

Yeah but the least time you switch out of him the better

hollow trail
#

he needs garu too then

iron pilot
#

Kinda.....

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Hmmmmm

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Need to look into that but I didn't start making savefiles at that point

#

Pain

hollow trail
#

i just played through all of thebel, made fusions, then calendar skipped to 5/9

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probably could've done more kenji ranks to get sonic punch

#

which would be a little better than bash

ashen pulsar
iron pilot
#

You're kinda required to go to tartarus first Sunday

#

Because of Mitsuru dragging your ass in there if you postpone

#

Sonic Punch is not usable in that case

hollow trail
#

not enough kenji ranks?

#

well

#

no

#

you can do it just fine on 4/21

#

i did

#

then you do kenji ranks

#

and then only fuse jack frost the day before the full moon

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for maximum arcana burst

#

it's fucking shit that you have to backtrack that far to make a strat for a fight

#

instead of

#

idk

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visiting tara's comp shop troll

#

but it is a strat

iron pilot
#

Fusing Jack Frost twice kinda an L but since there's that soft exp cap it should be alright

hollow trail
#

wdym twice tho

iron pilot
#

Dude's pretty good at 3rd guaddian

hollow trail
#

omoikane clears

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dont need his ass

#

make omoikane then use omoikane to make the frost

hollow trail
#

Regarding URLs: I don't think I can disable the effects retroactively (can't find flags anyway) but:

Charm, Academics, and Courage URLs: Keep
HP and SP boost URLs: Keep (?) Very little benefit
Beef Bowl URL: Keep
Part Time Money URL: Keep
Vegetable Boost URL: Keep (?)
Taiyaki URL: Keep
Secret Sodas URL: Keep

Ambush URL: Remove
Ambush Upgrade URL: Remove
Ambush Theurgy Charge URL: Remove
Ambush Distress URL: Remove
Dating Site: Keep
Golden Tomato (SP Item) URL: Keep? Might invalidate every other vegetable

dreamy orchid
#

removing ambush is good

#

dumb mechanic fr

hollow trail
#

im trying to find the flags to retroactively disable but tbh

#

super low priority

#

MQ is meant for ng anyway

dreamy orchid
#

yea

#

what does golden tomato do specifically btw

hollow trail
#

SP recovery

#

with aigis its basically soma

#

100 HP 30 SP

dreamy orchid
#

oh thats funny

#

yea lmao

hollow trail
#

i nerfed to 50 hp 15 sp

dreamy orchid
#

the shinji one is also cracked

errant pumice
#

15 sp for all allies? Still very useful, thank you Aigis Aigis_Money

hollow trail
#

i dont think its that bad because it takes a long time to plant

errant pumice
#

It does take a long time, I forgot, what’s the base time for it? 22 days?

hollow trail
#

around that time probably

#

for a handful of sp items i think its def less broken than sojiro coffee spam

#

especially with kawakami

#

ambush trivializes the game but the sp items might be fine

#

esp since i already slashed them by 50% anyway

dreamy orchid
#

sojiro coffee was like +50sp every day for free right

hollow trail
#

yup

dreamy orchid
#

though p5 has like

#

eight different ways to get unlimited sp

hollow trail
#

this is not even close in terms of broken

errant pumice
#

Yeah, I believe it’ll be fine. Happens way later in the game, if it was a base vegetable, I would have say that’s a broken product. But nerfing it like that does make it good.

dreamy orchid
#

yea i think its a neat unlockable

hollow trail
#

fortune telling i'm not changing

errant pumice
#

It was the vegetable harvest boost that I was used to in base game

hollow trail
#

gold hands are worthless now basically

dreamy orchid
#

money is nice tho

hollow trail
#

yes but consider

#

Okay so

#

MQ basically makes all 3 fortunes good

dreamy orchid
#

+5,000,000 yen in revival beads

hollow trail
#

gold for money

#

soul for theurgy charge rate (duh)

#

and gamble fortune is actually good now

#

because of the xp soft cap

dreamy orchid
#

the theurgia one is the best by far but i always pick the other ones

hollow trail
#

making more reds spawn means you can push past xp limit just a little bit more

dreamy orchid
#

i like gamble fortune cus its more fun

hollow trail
#

well

#

gamble is optimal now

#

if you want to push the xp

#

otherwise soul

dreamy orchid
#

don't need xp where we're going naotroll

#

(ken theurgia spam)

hollow trail
#

im deleting divine intervention

#

fuck you

dreamy orchid
#

see that's also what i did

#

but you don't have it in you

#

muahahahaha

hollow trail
#

yes, because i refuse to touch core elements unless i have to

#

it'll be fine

dreamy orchid
#

you could make divine intervention less broken in many ways but like if you don't wanna touch it then like its fine

#

vanilla Ken kind of needs it to be relevant tbh

#

Haxman got his overhaul, when is Robin getting gigabuffed?

hollow trail
#

he dont need it

#

i gave him endure

#

and thats it

dreamy orchid
#

W Amada

hollow trail
#

damn where the fuck is the url shop table

#

oh i think i found it

iron pilot
#

It's non repeatable unless you mod menu lol

hollow trail
#

but

#

why the fuck are there 2 tables for this

#

one is just fucking redundant

#

and according to this redundant file

#

the URLs were all gonna be netcafe

#

rip bozo 🔥

#

Disables Ambush, Ambush Distress and Ambush Theurgy charge by deleting the URLs from their Shop.

⚠️ This is not retroactive, savefiles that have bought the URL or have already read them will still have the Ambush ability

iron pilot
hollow trail
#

hes cool

iron pilot
#

No ambush?

#

That's awesome

#

I can duke out the reaper because he's a slow old man

#

So at best I'll get neutral

#

Ken strats still goated

#

Early game junpei will suffer though

#

But that's fine imo

#

He still has Theurgia

#

You definitely need a disclaimer there saying "must be played on an NG or NG+ Merciless file)

hollow trail
#

thats already kinda assumed because of aki's progression changes and all

#

and i did put disclaimer on pinned

iron pilot
#

Oh I meant in like, mod page

#

When it drops

hollow trail
#

ofc

iron pilot
#

I think I'll reach MQ Nyx tonight

#

Let's do it

hollow trail
#

GL

iron pilot
#

I'll set the bar as level 95

#

Not that it matters much apart from HP

#

Oh yeah just a disclaimer

#

I didn't incense any of my persona but Chernobog received a Tower, Emperor ,and Empress card at some poiny

hollow trail
#

yeah thats fine i think lol

iron pilot
#

And Ryoji's stat ups

#

Effectively a +8 all stats I think

#

Yeah but I think that's just being fair, like it's done with a decent player's stock in mind

#

Effectively skill issue if you don't get through

iron pilot
#

(for material grind)

tardy sphinx
hollow trail
#

🤔

tardy sphinx
#

nah just doing some preview of skill change to show to my friend

tardy sphinx
#

I was playing without looking at the description and I'm trying to find the SP items, where the hell is it. LMAOOO. Got ass beaten XDDD. Oh well good shiet

hollow trail
#
  • Reduced Empress and Emperor's HP from 1400 too 900 (is 700 in vanilla), the bonus HP does make the fight a bit harder because of Fuuka's SP and buffs running out, but it dragged on for far too long

  • Fixed Empress bug where she'd simply stop taking turns after a while

hollow trail
#

hierophant was very fun with the soft cap

#

took yukari (severely underleveled), mitsuru and junpei

#

i think i will make hiero freezable

#

I used Hua Po with Agilao for this which was surprisingly good

#

and Lienan Sidhe for Diarama since yukari didn't have it yet

#

also had recarm on hua po

iron pilot
#

What's the level cap

hollow trail
#

technically 25 but you'll basically taper off at 20 with someone at 19

#

the boss is lv25

iron pilot
#

Oh I just need 24

hollow trail
#

thats too much grinding

#

not worth

iron pilot
#

Mithras

Drain fire
Good St stat
Rakunda
AoE phys on rank 10 fusion

hollow trail
hollow trail
#

i said hiero

#

not lovers

iron pilot
#

Nah I'll probably do some boss fight stuff

#

Yeah but Lovers is next

hollow trail
#

yeah and by then you're already leveled

#

cuz of catch up

#

anyway

#

the solution for this fight wasn't xp, and it was instead a good persona on mc and giving everyone gear

#

which is exactly what i wanted

celest kindle
#

Need to know, what file do you need to delete to turn off the item disabling?

hollow trail
#

that was nice

hollow trail
#

im currently 50/50 between enabling freeze here or not

#

on one hand, the boss is hard enough that the free crit would be cool

#

on the other

#

hack n blast

ashen pulsar
#

hacky bwasta

hollow trail
#

eh

#

i think its ok

#

bufula freeze odds are shit

#

and if you combo with blizzard edge it should be rewarded

#

since mitsuru can get hit with 800 damage at any given time too

hollow trail
#

I was either very unlucky or freeze odds aren't that good this early anyway

#

i think its fine

iron pilot
#

Lmao

#

Fraud has shitass theurgia at this point

iron pilot
#

Liz fight (you need to get my Messiah in the compendium though)

#

also no MQ changes so you need to edit Akihiko, Koro and Ken

iron pilot
#

Back to Chernobog

#

Lmfao

iron pilot
#

Ok I'm at Jin now lmao

iron pilot
#

I'm really glad you nerfed poison btw

iron pilot
#

Jin improved 100% with that poison nerf

#

although I nerfed myself by bringing only Yukari

#

lmfao

#

Oh right I didn't edit Koro, Akihiko and Ken

#

I'll do that on the next one

dreamy orchid
#

Your save file has an illegal Koromaru?

iron pilot
#

Also due to how her theurgia charge works, Yukari is somehow best when she's nearly dying and low SP

#

Hilarious, that only happens if the fight is decently long

#

(never happens in vanilla)

iron pilot
#

I edited it pretty sure

dreamy orchid
#

bring akipeako for nyx

iron pilot
#

Takaya duo kinda hard

iron pilot
#

Honestly this is probably not gonna be very fun without Ken if items aren't allowed

#

I tried playing a bit more casually

#

basically not lining up a killshot at the end

#

can you change the item drop on the floor before this

#

make it a special item that works like Mitsuru's champagne or Fuuka's cookie

#

it's just a soma rn so it's unusable

#

technically I beat it without needing to use the cookie but for a less prepared person, it'll help a lot

dreamy orchid
#

this is why ken's the GOAT

iron pilot
#

He sucks

#

I could solo the fucker

dreamy orchid
#

bdjk capping as usual

#

Ken's the GOAT you just don't see the vision

iron pilot
#

I literally did last time

#

Bullshit

iron pilot
#

Thinking of it, since there's no level scaling, I technically hit just as hard as before in my old save

#

King and I will be the goat

#

I think that's the end of putting savefiles

#

It's actually kinda fitting, my footage will have all members used

#

Lmao

iron pilot
#

Is Nyx a tad overtuned atm

#

400 damage on a fully buffed party seems a bit too much

iron pilot
#

Yeah that one needs some tweaking

#

exhibit A

#

everyone has Marakukaja up here, and debuffs do not carry over arcana shifts

#

exhibit B

#

same deal, they might be hitting a bit too hard

iron pilot
#

yeah uh....

#

that might be a problem

#

That or I have skill issue idk

#

On the other hand though I'm level 92 I think

#

And everyone else is late 80s

#

But no level scaling means that doesn't do much

#

Anyways yeah it's beatable

#

That's much is certain

#

I think beating up the reaper a handful of times might be required

#

Maybe even before Takaya/Jin

dreamy orchid
#

99 all stats is a pretty big gap to cross yea

iron pilot
#

I noticed that you basically have to be on the defensive on the former half of the arcana shifts and be very aggressive on the other

#

That's pretty cool, actually

hollow trail
#

esp since the protag gets drained

iron pilot
#

Telos with regen and invig

#

Lmfao

hollow trail
#

ok sure

#

i was hoping people would use the cookie but I'm sure it'll get misused by a lot of ppl lol

iron pilot
#

That or people don't go with Fuuka/Mitsuru/Yukari

hollow trail
#

you can do Yuko too

#

it's Chihiro that's problematic

iron pilot
#

More than likely the meta's gonna be lining up Theurgia so you killshot him before he uses that thing

hollow trail
#

it's Soul Drain on MC, then a second soul drain on Highest SP party member, which is probably your healer

iron pilot
#

It was Junpeak

#

Lmfaoooo

#

Honestly that would be fine if it was Ken

hollow trail
#

ok so exactly as I suspected

#

great clock will only work if the teammate gets at least 1 xp

#

but it doesn't have to be the first battle after clock

#

i wonder if it can persist through to the next day

iron pilot
#

Apparently yes

hollow trail
#

that means i can great clock the entire team technically

#

lmao

#

yup

#

it does persist

#

i dont have to do shit then

iron pilot
#

Perusona 3

hollow trail
#

can't believe one of my fav fights so far is a fucking gatekeeper

#

but ah well

hollow trail
#

how we feeling about buffs

#

not gonna change anything i don't think, but im curious what the opinion is on single targets

#

i think for persona it's fine because even though it isn't always good, it's situational depending on the encounter type

#

with that said tho i like the idea of the base buff being aoe, and the higher level ones being taru+raku/raku+suku/taru+suku combinations

#

might completely crumble balance in persona tho

#

it would indirectly nerf sutras tho

hollow trail
#

Tarunda (AoE)
Rakunda (AoE)
Sukunda (AoE)
Tarukaja (AoE)
Rakukaja (AoE)
Sukukaja (AoE)
Static Rook Anaguma (AoE Rakukaja + Sukukaja)
Bloodlust (AoE Tarukaja + Sukukaja)
Roar (AoE Tarunda + Rakunda)
Fog Breath (AoE Tarunda + Sukunda)
Acid Breath (AoE Rakunda + Sukunda)
War Cry (AoE Tarukaja + Rakukaja)
Heat Riser (Single-Target)
Debilitate (Single-Target)

#

yeah no nvm

#

sounds stupid just looking at it

#

half of these don't fit anyone

left spear
#

if you wanna mess around with buffs but dont wanna fuck up balancing by changing the actual buffs you could always make skills that both do damage and buff/debuff, tons of those in smt and a few in pq too

#

but stuff like that might be more fitting of a skill expansion mod i guess, along w hp magic skills and stuff

hollow trail
#

yeah i think that might be even worse

#

Buff+Buff is really common in smt and other spinoffs

#

but in persona it might be wack

celest kindle
#

There is damage + debuff on Q