EVTUI (Visual event editing tool)

[faint plinth]

...aaand I merged the field fixes branch. Sooo be sure to let me know if anything breaks 🙏

[faint plinth]

Very excited about how things are looking at the moment Now's probably a good time to start working on some basic frame-awareness in the rendering, even if full playback is still a few steps away 🤔

[solemn zealot]

🤔

[faint plinth]

Lolll, guess it's still a bit off.

Right angle, wrong position, it seems.

[solemn zealot]

btw

[faint plinth]

(But it may still be rotation-related.)

[faint plinth]

?

[solemn zealot]

is there a way to edit current projects? configure is greyed out so i assume it has not been implemented yet

[faint plinth]

It's a placeholder, yeah.

If you really need to in the meantime, it's UserCache.yaml in the EVTUI appdata folder, but you may want to keep a backup in case you mess up the formatting.

[solemn zealot]

i already found it

[faint plinth]

Strongly recommend the backup, because the default behavior is to erase it upon startup if it's ill-formed.

[solemn zealot]

might as well set the rest to tru ig

[faint plinth]

Only BF and BMD emulation does anything right now.

Even that behavior is likely to change, though... I'd rather let users decide per file which they want to do.

(Emulation or not.)

[solemn zealot]

eye cee

the file path doesnt seem case-sensitive? considering when editing i forgor some uppercasing but it worked

[faint plinth]

It should be case-insensitive, yeah.

In practice, that has been inconsistent, but mostly because of the emulation implementation jank specifically.

[solemn zealot]

huh cool. i put it inside double quotes and it still worked, while also fixing with single quotes

[faint plinth]

Nice! Yeah, it rewrites the whole thing regularly, lol. Like whenever you load an event, to update your history.

[faint plinth]

Btw, can you share a copy of this event + a screenshot of what it Should look like (aka, what it looks like in-game)? I think you already shared a few, but just to keep all the info in one place when I try to make a fix.

[solemn zealot]

okay this is surprisingly resilient

[clever talon]

inb4 some sort of float precision issue

[solemn zealot]

i was gonna do that but got distracted

[clever talon]

does it support half an A press

[solemn zealot]

🤔

[clever talon]

oh thats WAY off

are you sure they dont move the field and that command isnt implemented?

some events do this

as an example, the first satanel event moves the entire field for the camera shot where Ann is isolated

[solemn zealot]

these are the ones that are being loaded because of the local var, and are the same ones evtui reads

[clever talon]

[solemn zealot]

this is fully new lol

NO WAY

i deleted the following nodes and it is working now

@faint plinth it seems to be reading multiple nodes

i get very different results every time i add a new node

i have no idea how this could even happen

its incredible. every node i add completely changes everything. even when they have identical values

seems to be only a fs_ issue

[solemn zealot]

other custom events are working great tho

(why is ann so shiny)

these candles...

i wonder why it's rendering like that

[faint plinth]

Oooh, yeah, it is for fields specifically at the moment. That makes sense.

[faint plinth]

Because transparency is still not handled very well, lol.

That and emissive materials.

Which, I think the candles are both? RIP...

[solemn zealot]

any idea how this is happening

[faint plinth]

If you have multiple nodes moving the field around, it will apply all of them in a row 🤷 Kinda just how the placeholder rendering implementation has to work for now if we also want FOD_ , FAB_, and FAA_ to also work. But it should definitely not do that any more as soon as there's actual frame-awareness in the render.

[solemn zealot]

not an expert on this, but seems like it is handling the transparency okayish, considering how i havent seen many transparency issues, but with an emissive material it is also emitting from these 'transparent' pixels?

[faint plinth]

But I agree it's weird that it's not just using the last positioning 🤔

[solemn zealot]

(in this case it should be first positioning since everything else reads their first possible frame)

[faint plinth]

It probably is emitting from the transparent (translucent) parts, yeah.

[faint plinth]

Yes, for other commands, but it isn't for frame commands at the moment. That's by design for this initial naïve implementation to let multiple field commands affect the render.

I could separate field positioning from the rest of the field commands if it's that much of an issue, but if not, it should be fixed when the rendering is frame-aware.

[solemn zealot]

rarely you'll need multiple fs_ tbh

and i already finished this one event so...

[faint plinth]

Yeah, I figure it's probably a better use of time to work on getting actual playback 😅

Rather than making this naïve version more convenient, unless it's actively getting in the way.

[solemn zealot]

true then i can play shihoann kiss in evtui itself

[faint plinth]

🔥

[solemn zealot]

interesting....

divert your attention to the window by the stairs

[faint plinth]

Huh...

[amber moth]

Might be a seperate texture map like the floor detail map.

[solemn zealot]

huh...

[amber moth]

yeah that would be it

[solemn zealot]

why the event in specific has it bright af

[amber moth]

probably some sort of event thing that sets the texture map to that one

[faint plinth]

I'm guessing it's an env thing?

[amber moth]

that could be it too

since events use different ENVs from fields iirc

[solemn zealot]

man thats tight

[faint plinth]

[solemn zealot]

love the window that just goes straight to another building

[faint plinth]

City living 😎

[solemn zealot]

🤔 i should be able to test this?

[faint plinth]

The difference could also be related to skybox emmissive..ness? emissivity?

You could also change the time of day and weather and see what that does.

[solemn zealot]

the previous one was playing at the much brighter 'afternoon' phase, 'after school' lighting does this

its almost as if the window's texture becomes pure blue

[faint plinth]

Weird

[ocean acorn]

maybe you should just make that the name

[solemn zealot]

funny how the real rendering looks more like an error that the one in evtui

raining

[solemn zealot]

true...

what if... the building is just gone in the event?

okay it almost def is the building not loading

[solemn zealot]

if this was the sky, then it would've been orange, but it is looking at below the horizon line in the skyblox, which is a blinding blue

[solemn zealot]

the rain looking different could be just because of the effect they put on the window itself

[faint plinth]

Huh.......

I... don't know why that very specific building would not load during events.

Since the neighboring buildings are there???

[solemn zealot]

holdon i'll move the camera in the event

btw the classroom in evtui

[faint plinth]

What about the classroom?

The windows...?

[solemn zealot]

just showing how it looks lol

:o

[faint plinth]

Ah, lol.

[solemn zealot]

there are no buildings

[faint plinth]

Which IDs did you give the field?

Major/minor/sub?

[solemn zealot]

2 2 0

[faint plinth]

Hmmmm, I thought it may be a sub ID thing, but I guess not.

Field init script with content specifically detecting an event???

[solemn zealot]

init is not enabled

[solemn zealot]

oh lmao i got confused

maybe?

[faint plinth]

Yeah, not the event init script, the field init (FINI) script, lol.

Is that what the script timing flowscript check means, I wonder...

[solemn zealot]

baked AO gone wrong

literally unplayable

[faint plinth]

[solemn zealot]

how will atlus adress this...?

[clever talon]

i tried to build this myself from source and it exploded lmfao

Oops!

[clever talon]

ok so i figured it out, apparently the github desktop app was not cloning some stuff, no idea how since thats supposed to be using git clone internally???

[solemn zealot]

sometimes it goes sometimes it doesnt

idk why this is so cursed

[faint plinth]

Every Copy Is Personalized ™️

(That's simply the risk of having everyone build from source instead of having a release )

But it also means most people won't bother + there's a built-in excuse if it doesn't work (until I actually make a release) 😄

[clever talon]

i tried loading an event from a mod and already broke it

[solemn zealot]

which one

[clever talon]

from custom bonus tweak's no prerenders thing

(I copied the files to a separate mod so it would have the "standard" path)

lol i tried to load the satanael event and it crashed

i am already inflicting evils beyond your comprehension just by existing

[solemn zealot]

same here

[faint plinth]

Lmao. Now is the first real stress-test.

[solemn zealot]

WAIT

nevermind it loaded lol

(what am i looking at)

[clever talon]

i dont remember tbh

try loading this one

this is the stanael awakening event

[solemn zealot]

🤔 it... loads

[clever talon]

that one refuses to render for me

well it renders

just wrong

[faint plinth]

These types of events still look wack because they basically never use MSD_ meaningfully, which is all the render shows right now 😅

[clever talon]

like

there's weird glitching and flickering

hang on

[faint plinth]

I wouldn't be too surprised by any of that for the cinematic scenes for now.

[solemn zealot]

dw i got you

[balmy basalt]

They tend to look, at best, like this:

oceanstuck

opened this event again since the people have spoken

Jump

[Go to message!](#1216244753239248976 message)

[clever talon]

it stopped doing the weird render bugs when i hit record on obs

[solemn zealot]

gaslighted by own computer

[faint plinth]

LOLLLL.

I also get the flashing for scenes that have more assets to render.

It tends to go away after a bit 🤷 but this may be worth some frame buffering solution at some point. Once I can figure out how to do that 🙃

[solemn zealot]

uh

[solemn zealot]

there's literally no camera here

[faint plinth]

[clever talon]

ok i just spammed print screen a bunch

[solemn zealot]

wait there's nothing. just a movie

[clever talon]

thats the original one

hence why i said from mod files

this one is in the no pre-renders mod files

[solemn zealot]

yeah it is in the cbt directory

[clever talon]

you need to copy them out because it has a "non standard" mod load path due to it being a config

[solemn zealot]

i see

[faint plinth]

Cinematic cutscenes are going to be very hard to optimize for 🥹

[clever talon]

dont they just load a camera anim file, which gfd supports

[faint plinth]

They probably do, yeah.

I'm more concerned about the flashing and how much optimization it'll take to get rid of that + not have abysmal framerate for bigger scenes like this 😔

[clever talon]

load the adam scene and watch your pc explode

[solemn zealot]

no flickering for me

sometimes a black square pops on the bottom right corner but thats it

[clever talon]

wait i think i know which one is this lmao

[clever talon]

i think its this one

thats why it takes a billion years to load

[solemn zealot]

i was thinking it could be something shido but wasnt sure

[ocean acorn]

perfect project name

[solemn zealot]

what in the megazord

[plucky berry]

Yeah every single one of those clapping guys is a separate individual entry

[clever talon]

funny how exactly the thing i wanted to check is omega broken in here lmao

[plucky berry]

There’s over 100 of them iirc

[ocean acorn]

i should try loading the loki reveal, i already need to figure out what the hell frankensteining i need to do to make a rematch transition event that doesnt just crash

[clever talon]

oh wait i know what i should check

some custom evt from p5ex that used the enemy entry

time to see where i put the files

[solemn zealot]

transition event???

[ocean acorn]

lmao basically same thing happened with 1/12 scene

[faint plinth]

In theory that shouldn't be a problem if it's the same model, because the code will only load it the once. But good lord...

[clever talon]

it is the same model

but the evt still takes forever to load lmao

probably a parsing thing?

so many model commands lol

they are all individually animated

[faint plinth]

Probably just the number of commands, yeah, lmao.

[solemn zealot]

the more yall talk of events the more i wanna go back to making my new ones

i have so much i wanna add

[faint plinth]

The timeline is the thing that takes longest to set up, really.

[solemn zealot]

very quick for me

but then again, i have a god gamer pc

[plucky berry]

Which version

The cbt event or the OG?

The clapping people are a pre-render in the OG

[solemn zealot]

cbt

[plucky berry]

Give me your pc

[clever talon]

wait no give it to me wtf

[solemn zealot]

which frame are all the models set

[amber moth]

Only if I can have it on tuesdays

[ocean acorn]

lmao lemme try

[solemn zealot]

oh

[faint plinth]

This type of event tends to do everything in a wave of MAB_s every so often.

[solemn zealot]

i accidentally put the event in e424 folder not e420 oops

okay it loaded after the computer whirring just a bit

holy shit

how long did it take yall to load this?

[faint plinth]

That scrollbar 😨

[clever talon]

he was banished to the void

i think i found an issue

field objects not being loaded

this field is a dummy gfs that contains collision, and a bone to load a "field object" which is then the actual field model

[faint plinth]

Hm, most field objects should work

[solemn zealot]

here

why did i keep forgetting i have 32 ram wtf

my dumbass being like 'i cant go over 8', like, bitch

[clever talon]

its a custom one

[ocean acorn]

is it just the 424_002 evt i need

[faint plinth]

I'd still expect it to work, as long as all the assets are in the mod directory...

[clever talon]

they are!

[solemn zealot]

i havent made custom field objects, but custom character models work at least

[faint plinth]

Share assets so I can test?

You can also check the logs to see if it's at least loading the GFS.

[clever talon]

where those be

[faint plinth]

(UserLogs in the EVTUI appdata folder)

[amber moth]

AppData\Roaming\EVTUI

[clever talon]

well it is loading them

and the object model is in the correct id

[ocean acorn]

the wall of model commands lmfao

i minimized literally every other command row

[rocky kelp]

5 million commands be upon ye

[amber moth]

nice

[rocky kelp]

I bet this is what the prerendered cutscenes look like

[ocean acorn]

this literally is a prerendered scene
until you use cbt which is where this evt is from

[faint plinth]

Does the node define the resId of the field object?

[clever talon]

yes

and it works ingame!

[faint plinth]

Hmmmmmmm.

Okay, please do share the relevant files so I can see what the issue is 😅

[clever talon]

event id 010_831

this has a bunch of other junk thats probably unrelated but y'know, easier to just send the whole thing

832 pretends to load but camera is broken too

and the enemy animation command doesnt seem to work

[solemn zealot]

pffft

[clever talon]

oops

Oops!

[faint plinth]

☝️🤭

[ocean acorn]

my evtui loaded the event in like 0 time which i guess this is the reason i bought the most roided up gaming laptop

[clever talon]

[solemn zealot]

mine goes for about 10 seconds

(i lied to look good)

[rocky kelp]

just a bit

[solemn zealot]

who needs those silly benchmark testing programs when you have this

[rocky kelp]

google stopwatch?

[solemn zealot]

windows

[rocky kelp]

I use my stock android clock app 💀

[faint plinth]

I really need a loading widget to soften the blow of this for bigger events, lmfao.

[clever talon]

for reference, while i dont think this is the final final version, the event should look something like this

instead he got sent to the void and the camera is also wrong

[faint plinth]

Wait, omfg... the TAKE YOUR TIME image......

[rocky kelp]

omg yes

[faint plinth]

(my wife requests I credit her properly for that idea)

[solemn zealot]

your wife is awesome

[rocky kelp]

I'm so used to aleks lee I was jumpscared by Yuri lowenthal

[solemn zealot]

yuri????????? where?????????

[clever talon]

nowhere, atlus executed him after he leaked p4r

[solemn zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/classic-ef-where-is-it-yuri-where-the-yuri-at-korone-gif-23665600

[faint plinth]

Oh, nice, the reference will be helpful.

[rocky kelp]

the hit voice actor yuri lowenthal who voices dub anime characters in every 2000's/2010's anime

[solemn zealot]

you could say yuri was... on thin ice

[rocky kelp]

yosuke voiced by someone other than yuri lowenthal is a crime

[amber moth]

Already 0/10 game

[clever talon]

anyway the only reason i havent done custom events is because i have too much knowledge about VAs in other games so id just be stealing random voicelines just for the sake of reusing them rather than them fitting in the context

one such example i'd use (this was when we did the first ever model import into Fire Emblem Engage so there were things to fix, and then apparently i never recorded this again with the fixed model)

[rocky kelp]

ponytail bones going crazy

[faint plinth]

Omfg...

[ocean acorn]

have her randomly drop that on jonkler and akechi itll be so funny

[solemn zealot]

these?

[clever talon]

exactly!

[clever talon]

one such example

i can say this is haru

even though this is not from a persona game

[amber moth]

Reminds me when I first found out she voiced a main character in an old game I used to play as a kid (Marta in Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of a New World).

[clever talon]

ever since p5r and sumi i do the stupid pointing meme every time i hear her in another game

something something irrevocable damage

[ocean acorn]

understandable have a nice day

[solemn zealot]

talking about it, when going around shujin and overhearing the gossip, i swear that there are some voicelines voiced by mishima's and haru's vas. and it always catches me offguard, cause it sounds like they are insulting you

[clever talon]

theyll never be as legendary as yuri lowenthal student talking to yuri lowenthal student

[amber moth]

Cause haru and mishima secretly hate joker

[clever talon]

also backporting that evt to ps3 was a major pain in the ass because back then script compiler just had this thing called "sumbits" by default which aggregated flag numbers

so instead of having "section X, flag Y" it was just "flag Y"

which naturally broke the entire event in ps3

the first time i tried it, it looked like this

(white void warning)

[pale linden]

Seeing them slowly tpose by is possibly the funniest thing I have seen today

[clever talon]

basically, the spot where Ann and Shiho are, and the NPC behind to the left of Joker, are all controlled by flags

they use evt asset replace commands

but the animation pack loading logic has to be handled in the evt itself via flags

[pale linden]

Ah

[solemn zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-flash-bang-gif-24943684

[ocean acorn]

oh yeah, EVT_ASSET_OVERWRITE

[clever talon]

anyway this is, in fact, Marianne von Edmund from the hit game Fire Emblem Three Houses (or Three Hopes if you prefer that one)

[faint plinth]

My beloathed 🥹

[ocean acorn]

i mean i dont think its that fucky i think its just meant to be called before youve done anything else with that asset

[faint plinth]

True. It's also just a thing that leaves a lot of EVTs broken in the editor until I get a flowscript interpreter running

(And have an actual way to track variables.)

[solemn zealot]

🤔

[faint plinth]

Is that a MAA_ or MAB_? Either way, I wouldn't expect it to show up in the render.

[plucky berry]

I assume that's MAA

[solemn zealot]

> <
idk

[clever talon]

morgana is.... a very special case

[plucky berry]

That reminds me, I was confused for the longest time why 'B' was for the main anims and 'A' was for the Blend anims...

Until I saw the symbols code

[faint plinth]

He is indeed I've got some of his animations working, but not all of them.

[faint plinth]

LOL, it really is confusing naming, rip.

[solemn zealot]

i mean, B makes sense as 'base'

[plucky berry]

Mhm

[solemn zealot]

idk a

[faint plinth]

Additive.

[plucky berry]

^

[solemn zealot]

i was thinking it might be that but i was unsure what blend anims were in specific

[plucky berry]

Stuff like expressions

Things you'd run at the same time as another anim

[solemn zealot]

isnt there like, an additive to give the character a 'breathing' animation?

i wonder if there are more non-facial ones

[plucky berry]

That's just straight-up hardcoded

[faint plinth]

There are these, though, yes.

I've seen them in use to add to poses that don't have idle movement built in.

[solemn zealot]

mean these?

[faint plinth]

🙂‍↕️

[solemn zealot]

[plucky berry]

I know for a fact that they apply a hardcoded breathing one to NPC IDs below a certain point

You can spawn an NPC without a proper animation set, and they'll still have the breathing effect while T-Posing

[solemn zealot]

of course otherwise they would die duh

[faint plinth]

Pffff...

[solemn zealot]

breathing is also hardcoded irl

[faint plinth]

True...

[faint plinth]

I think I have seen indirect evidence of this, though, which is some minor NPCs in classroom events being posed properly with no idling in the editor, when I know they have idle movement in-game.

[plucky berry]

Mhm

I vaguely recall trying to do something with a classroom event from Royal, and the NPCs were doing the breathing thing while hunched over their desks, which just looked odd

[clever talon]

it was one of the new kawakami events they had added for the kasumi event sequences iirc

[plucky berry]

Classroom, DC! Classroom!

[clever talon]

i think from when joker gets called to the counseling room or whatever

yes

i remember that one because it also had some camera issue

the camera was ending up like inside the wall

[plucky berry]

Indeed...

Jazz Club too

[harsh carbon]

If it wasn't half covering jonkle that'd be almost cool framing ngl

[clever talon]

oops

[clever talon]

its this BMD btw, which works perfectly fine ingame

[faint plinth]

Oh yeah, I still need to make sure the custom part of BMD parsing can handle both types of endianness. I think if I just turn the magic string into an int it'll be fine, more or less....

(That task is in the pinned TODO post and has been for a while, lol.)

[strange wharf]

I love this camera angle idk why

this shot is cool asl

[faint plinth]

This one loads for me (although it looks pretty silly lmao)... did you recompile the BMD at some point? Or is it from an older version of the game?

[faint plinth]

For this one, the camera issue is because, by the time the fade-in is done, the CMD_ command is also in progress -- but the current render doesn't look at CMD_, only CSD_ for positioning. If you copy the CMD_ positioning over, it looks at least slightly more accurate:

I still don't know what the deal is with the field... or why his gun is always floating around??? But one step at a time, I guess 😅

Oh....... this one does not have a resId

Cylinder01
    fldLayoutOfModel_major = 0
    fldLayoutOfModel_minor = 69
    fldLayoutOfModel_animNo = 0
    fldLayoutOfModel_animLoop = 0

The editor's logic requires that for a field object, but I guess the game doesn't??

If resId isn't required, is there a specific flag to check for field objects on a node, or are the major and minor IDs above enough for the game's logic?

[plucky berry]

The major and minor IDs are enough, yeah

[faint plinth]

I seee

[plucky berry]

I think I once had a list of all the possible node properties. I definitely don't anymore, but it might be worth remaking

[faint plinth]

...hrmmmm, it's now loading, but still not showing up

OH WAIT, I think it's still just the resId issue in a different form.

[plucky berry]

🗿 These are not in a nice group.

[faint plinth]

Theeere we go!

[faint plinth]

(I think the other reason the camera looks funky is because it keeps picking the wrong one of the two CSD_s, for whatever reason)

Right now I just added the logic that if major and minor are present but resId is not, it assigns a resId of zero, but I have no idea what the game does there.

Comparison shot from the video:

[faint plinth]

Is this the camera you're expecting for 832? It's another case of the naive logic just picking the wrong one of the two CSD_s.

[faint plinth]

Not sure what you mean about this, though. Just that the MAB_s aren't showing up in the render? That's expected at this point.

Seems like I should get working on making the render frame-aware and not naive so it's less confusing 🙂‍↕️

[faint plinth]

OK, pushed a fix that accounts for this, so the field above should load properly. The dependencies do need to be re-installed, since it also required a small change to the glmodel-drawing code.

[plucky berry]

That reminds me

The floating gun is normal

They use mat animations in the anims to make it invisible when it's not needed

[faint plinth]

Makes sense, but I'm still surprised it's not marked as not visible, because the editor does hide nodes/meshes that are marked as such. See Ann's metaverse model above, which usually has two masks if previewed outside of the game.

[plucky berry]

Actually maybe it's not a mat anim

It could be a scale anim

[faint plinth]

Lol???

[plucky berry]

That's how they do it for the party's weapons

When you swap between gun and melee, the other one is scaled exceptionally small so you can't see it anymore

[faint plinth]

Omg.............

Tiny sword...

[solemn zealot]

Thank you

[clever talon]

Yes i recompiled it since it needs to be edited as it completely lacks any bustup expressions and/or singleword voicelines

[rocky kelp]

double the yuri

[clever talon]

its still invisible by default in the actual game

so clearly something is going wrong with gfd's preview

[strange wharf]

well this looks fun

is there a mod that does freecam easily for exploring enviroments?

[solemn zealot]

shrinefox's modmenu

huh... trying to load dc's lunch hangout event is doing this 🤔

[amber moth]

Looks to be a similar error to what dc posted

[solemn zealot]

oh yeah its very similar

[clever talon]

my mere existence is a stress test

[amber moth]

How do you get the error to trigger? I want to test it

[solemn zealot]

just load it lmao

[amber moth]

I see

[clever talon]

seems like its just an issue with endianess

[faint plinth]

Yeah, it's just inflexible BMD parsing 😅

I will fix it, it's just boring 😔

[solemn zealot]

[faint plinth]

(If you recompile it into a format matching the rest of P5(R)'s BMDs, it should work fine.)

[faint plinth]

Oh............. I think the issue may be more stupid than endianness 😐

(If there's a relevant msg in the same location, it's trying to read that as a BMD instead...........)

[rocky kelp]

same issue I had

[faint plinth]

Yeah, I'm testing it on a copy of R&V male romance, lmao.

[rocky kelp]

well I removed the msg files

unless you grabbed an older version

[faint plinth]

It's an older version, yeah.

I think I have a fix, though 🤞

[faint plinth]

TL;DR: regex-based file search without a $ at the end of the pattern

[faint plinth]

✅ Get BMD parsing to work irrespective of endianness
🔥 (also fixed the issue with trying to parse .bmd.msgs as .bmds lmao)

Which is to say, the fixes are merged.

[faint plinth]

HDJDFHSDKJFNSDKJFHSDJK????

[jolly epoch]

looks normal to me

[solemn zealot]

when you slay so hard you collapse into yourself

[amber moth]

I've actually had something similar happen before when exporting animations from blender.

I'm not sure if I still have any examples.

Here we go, I've only ever had it with the transition anims from joker's main GAP. It's like there's an extra invisible keyframe that gets put in that makes the duration really long. But it can't be edited at all, the only way I've been able to fix it was to change the duration back to what it originally was before the export.

[faint plinth]

Huh, that kinda makes sense. The above happened when I tried to put multiple animations on the model at once -- e.g., a base pose + blinking.

Since the blinking animation loop is longer, some base animations would just stop after a bit and then restart once the blinking looped. This one was an odd case where it instead did All That before the loop restarted....

It's a known limitation of the current EVTUI implementation -- each animation needs its own timer instead of all sharing one. But I wonder what this all means as it relates to your case 🤔 Did you see what those animations looked like in-game? That is, does it seem like a GFDStudio implementation issue?

[amber moth]

They look like that ingame aswell.

Let me get a recording.

[faint plinth]

Interesting

(And good, because it means I don't need to fix another thing, lol)

Hm, hm, hmmm 🤔

That could be something specific to walking animation, I suppose. The fact that it doesn't always show up, I mean.

[amber moth]

Yeah it's definitely just that one anim whatever that one may be.

no idea why this happens specifically.

And only for the transition anims

[jolly epoch]

what are you working on again?

something with the Sumi as protag mod?

[amber moth]

No, I just got an example from a commission I did a while back.

[faint plinth]

CG helps with a lot of mods, but mostly has worked on the beta femc redux mod!

[jolly epoch]

👍

[amber moth]

Yeah that's what I mainly work on.

[jolly epoch]

I don't think I've heard of that one, I'm guessing it's not the other femc mod?

[amber moth]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/564187

[jolly epoch]

ah

[faint plinth]

Akageee

[jolly epoch]

I didn't realize there was a femc in the beta files

the only "femc" stuff I've seen was like the old Kasumi concept art

and idk if she was ever planned to be a femc to begin with

I think it was just a myth

[amber moth]

Kinda, it's not fully confirmed. But there's a lot going for this specific character being very important. The main things that started it were these images that gave a lot of new context for a character that was barely known about before this point.

[faint plinth]

IIRC there was some evidence in Smash's implementation of Sumi being planned as femc at some point, of all things. But Akage is from much earlier concepts, yeah ^^

[amber moth]

Before this she was just an untextured model use as a test for sizing things (test_size). Along with some concept art that was shown off.

[jolly epoch]

do you think that the idea of having a christian church in p5 might have been due to this character?

since she's wearing that cross

[faint plinth]

Lol, I doubt it.

[jolly epoch]

then they just repurposed it for Hifumi

[jolly epoch]

well christianity is not nearly as big in japan as it is in the west

[amber moth]

Not sure tbh

[jolly epoch]

so it's kinda odd there's a church in the game at all

and I kinda wonder if it was maybe because of this character and then got repurposed

[faint plinth]

It's not as big, but it's not nonexistent in a big city 🤷

[amber moth]

I feel like it's supposed to be something to help her character design stand out more.

[faint plinth]

Agreed ^^

[solemn zealot]

what we couldve had

[amber moth]

Since it's not really a thing in japan, and her design screams being against the system.

[faint plinth]

It's such early concept art that I simply think the necklace looked cool and that was that.

But yeah, I think the cross-wearing doesn't have the same connotations.

[amber moth]

It potentially could have, but considering p5 I feel like it would've just been a passing mention at most.

[jolly epoch]

doesn't mean she couldn't be christian

there's been other christian rebels in media

[solemn zealot]

funny if she summoned satanael

[jolly epoch]

anyway

[amber moth]

well yeah thats what I mean

[jolly epoch]

anyway, I just think it'd be interesting if that line of thought either eventually led to them making a church be in the game or if it would have been important to her

but clearly they heavily refactored what p5 was supposed to be

[solemn zealot]

she lives in the church attic

[amber moth]

I mean she was designed when they were doing the 'backpacking around the world' idea.

[faint plinth]

The art looks early enough that the game probably would have--LOL, yeah, you beat me to it.

[amber moth]

lol

I mean they didn't even finish texturing her from the looks of it.

The shirt is one solid color

[jolly epoch]

it's a fashion statement

[amber moth]

true

But yeah within the old premise it could've played a part.

But we barely know much about that phase of development.

[jolly epoch]

aight who wants to go kidnap an atlus employee

[amber moth]

We'd have to kidnap soejima

[jolly epoch]

also who here speaks japanese

[amber moth]

theres that one person who did the jp translation for kap

[solemn zealot]

i don't but i can learn

[amber moth]

you can buy learning

[solemn zealot]

true

[rocky kelp]

akage I can't wait to play you and have strawberry yuri with sumire <3

[amber moth]

thats true I need to finish the outfit redesigns

[solemn zealot]

why she looks so gay

[rocky kelp]

she is gay

I don't think they're gonna make male romances

[amber moth]

Have you seen how small the skirt is?

I don't think that would be true

[solemn zealot]

(lets be real if she was actually the mc done by atlus, she wouldnt )

[rocky kelp]

akage kurusu is such a cool name too

glad you chose that over amamiya lol

[amber moth]

glad you like it, we figured it'd be cool to reuse it instead of amamiya

[solemn zealot]

me irl

[amber moth]

Akage Amamiya would be funny though

[rocky kelp]

some people will probably name her that

[solemn zealot]

i cant read this cursed surname

mamamia

[rocky kelp]

Ann would totally call akage akage-chan idk why but I see it

same with haru

[solemn zealot]

then kiss her

[amber moth]

I can't wait to have the render view done honestly. We've thought of a lot of story ideas that hopefully will work out nicely.

[faint plinth]

Outside of bugfixes, I do want responsive rendering to be the next thing done 🙏 Even if it's just incremental, I think I could have something there soon.

[solemn zealot]

tbf as it is it works great and you can easily make events already

[solemn zealot]

you can do it. i 🐝lieve in you

[amber moth]

It does, we just have a lot on our plate rn to do that we can't really get to it (and some of our dev team don't have the patience to boot up the game over and over).

I also 🐝lieve in you aswell.

[solemn zealot]

i wonder if it would be good for me to eventually have something somewhat resembling the concept of a team myself, but i honestly am not seeing a need? (it helps im not changing art and models lol)

[amber moth]

I'd be down for doing stuff if you need it.

[solemn zealot]

can you exe edit

[amber moth]

Theoretically I can

[solemn zealot]

talking about it, i imagine quite a few mods have already done passive skill editing right? i should be able to ask for permission to use the patch files that are already done 🤔

[amber moth]

iirc theres a guide on zarkadia's server about unhardcoding passives

[solemn zealot]

[amber moth]

https://discord.gg/MFVrDENt

https://discord.com/channels/685023604735344700/1334675413607252099

[solemn zealot]

spreading the shihoann agenda without even trying

[solemn zealot]

saving this for later. thanks

[amber moth]

np

[faint plinth]

This makes me think -- I feel like my actual metric for a first release is minimizing a "boots-per-edit" ratio, although I don't know exactly what the goal threshold is 😆

[amber moth]

How robust is the 2014 event editor?

[faint plinth]

Hard to say, since it's for such an old version of the engine so it's missing a bunch.

But I think that is a good comparison.

[solemn zealot]

tbf once you get a good feel for this stuff you dont need many boots lol. made even better by the render for stuff like coordinates

[faint plinth]

True, but you did have to do a lot of experimenting to get a feel for that stuff.

[solemn zealot]

yes i know im awesome

[faint plinth]

True...

[ocean acorn]

not enough to have a conversation

[amber moth]

I wonder if Soejima would respond to emails or something?

Though I imagine he wouldn't say anything about akage even if he was asked about her.

[solemn zealot]

big atlus doesnt want you to know about the femc

[amber moth]

It is a real shame theres not that much communication in this department besides stuff like the artbooks.

[jolly epoch]

do you know enough for an interrogation?

https://tenor.com/view/koda-bat-gif-26360076

[ocean acorn]

probably not

[solemn zealot]

i know that 'shoe' is 'kutsu'. this should be enough right

[amber moth]

Technically akage is a word. Because it just means red hair in jp iirc

[solemn zealot]

arent many japanese names like that?

[amber moth]

Probably

[weary pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-wall-break-rage-gif-8957717

Akage talk hello?

[faint plinth]

Futaba fourth wall break moment...

[faint plinth]

AAAAAAGH

[harsh carbon]

https://fxtwitter.com/Fortnite/status/2011191086346354925 they're all hitting this lowkey

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[ocean acorn]

hi futaba

[solemn zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/say-the-line-bart-school-millhouse-classroom-gif-26683141

[clever talon]

how did you break lookat

lmao

or is this another 3d maths moment

[faint plinth]

These are my experiments trying to calculate it based on MLa_ target coordinates, but I don't super know what I'm doing 😅 Aside from the obvious thing of min/max angles, if there's common knowledge I'm missing... well, any tips are helpful

[clever talon]

doesnt the model have info about lookat constraint? i could've sworn there was something somewhere in either model/animation

[faint plinth]

It definitely has it on some eye nodes, but not on the head, as far as I can tell 🤔

[clever talon]

did you check the lookat bone

[faint plinth]

No properties show for that, as far as I can tell.

Also, I didn't see a bone called lookat on every model (only some of them), so I've just been using Bip01 Head 😅 which is possibly wrong....

Some lookats also move the torso, which I was just gonna use one of the Bip01 Spines for, but that could also be wrong 🤷

[clever talon]

yeah not all models have a lookat bone for some reason

[solemn zealot]

you could say you... have a bone to pick with lookat

[amber moth]

Ann has a lookat bone,

[clever talon]

joker has it on some models

[amber moth]

You'd think it'd be on all of them

[faint plinth]

If there's no lookat bone, do we expect MLa_ not to work? I'm pretty sure it's being called for models without it....

But it's definitely possible it's doing nothing for at least some of those.

[solemn zealot]

which models tend to not have them?

[amber moth]

Joker's school outfit doesn't have it.

[solemn zealot]

any chance this bone is for the eyes?

[faint plinth]

The minor NPC models often lack them, I think, but I'll give a closer look.

[solemn zealot]

i dont remember if the generic npcs have those dynamic pupils

[faint plinth]

If it is indeed the lookat bone we're looking for, I'll have to figure out what that means for torso rotation and eyes-only lookats

[solemn zealot]

also, i still dont know exactly how the pupils work, it feels kinda random in how they'll behave sometimes

[ocean acorn]

gap has lookats, no?
least in blender

[clever talon]

i know i remember seeing some info about it somewhere in something related to models, i just dont remember where

i know this because lookat used to cause issues with custom skeletons because they also defined the position of the bone

[faint plinth]

I couldn't find anything obvious when searching the help forums 🤷

Or, well, just the one with custom models.

[balmy basalt]

Ooh 👁️👁️

DniweTamp

extra data is how much the head can move in each direction, i think

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#Lookat bone breaks upon replacing any animation in gap

[faint plinth]

But that does seem to be GAP-specific... which I didn't think lookat was inherently?

But it seems like I may definitely be missing something on that.

[clever talon]

well, lookat has to respect that

[faint plinth]

I see, hmmm.

[reef gyro]

Kinda wanted to use this to create my own events and dialogue, but uh...wow.

[ocean acorn]

i mean u still can its just specific features being jank lol

[reef gyro]

Guess it's a little to daunting for me, the coward that i am if someting isn't easy click and go.

[solemn zealot]

it is easy click and go tho

[amber moth]

once you get the basics down it's not that bad.

[faint plinth]

There will be a release at some point, but only once it is more of an easy click and go (for folks who aren't insane like GK lol).

[solemn zealot]

[reef gyro]

haha, it probably is.

[faint plinth]

❤️

[amber moth]

https://discord.com/channels/746211612981198989/1459702317229281362 this thread goes through on installing it if you don't know how.

[solemn zealot]

if you are somewhat familiar with the concepts of video editing or anything with a timeline, you'll begin to understand easily all that's happening (or at least the stuff that is implemented)

[reef gyro]

was able to install thanks to grok. it's using it that no I gotta wade into.

[faint plinth]

Probably easiest to start poking around events where you know what they look like or have a video of gameplay on hand, so you can see what in the editor is making things happen. Beyond that... this thread is open for you to ask away ✌️

[solemn zealot]

most of the time if i just throw myself at something for long enough, i'll get something to work even if i dont have much idea of whats going on

its all about ignoring the mental block

i'd recommend the power of yuri to motivate yourself through. it always works

[clever talon]

checking with the beta, there are 4 lookat target "types", i have no idea what this means

[solemn zealot]

probably these?

[clever talon]

this may help? may not?

[clever talon]

ah, might be

[solemn zealot]

well there's also these but they are five

all these motion types still use target coordinates btw

[clever talon]

aha!

i think i found something relevant

57.29578018188477 is used in the angle limit math

[solemn zealot]

no up limit angle?

[clever talon]

type 1 and type 2 seemingly dont have angle limits set, wonder if they're reused from type 0?

@faint plinth wake up!!!!!!!!!!!! this is relevant!!!!!!!!!!

let me copypaste here

  work->Parts[0].UpLimitAngle = 0.8726646;
  work->Parts[0].DownLimitAngle = 0.5235988;
  work->Parts[0].LeftLimitAngle = 1.047198;
  work->Parts[0].RightLimitAngle = 1.047198;

  work->Parts[3].UpLimitAngle = 0.0;
  work->Parts[3].DownLimitAngle = 0.0;
  work->Parts[3].LeftLimitAngle = 0.08726646;
  work->Parts[3].RightLimitAngle = 0.08726646;```

[solemn zealot]

both the shaking and look around motion types only go side to side

idk if it coul be that

[clever talon]

the shaking is an animation in the emt

iirc

[solemn zealot]

look around is def generated at the moment at least

when replaying events i notice how its quite random

[clever talon]

lol

[clever talon]

anyway, according to the code, these are taken and multiplied by 57.29578018188477, and thats the angle limit?

[clever talon]

seen here

[golden willow]

radian to degree conversion moment

that'd be 180 / pi

[faint plinth]

[clever talon]

see, im too dumb to do 3d math, when i try you end up with wide caroline

[faint plinth]

This is helpful, thank you for looking 🙏

I do wonder whether the other target types actually made it to the Royal engine, though....

[solemn zealot]

good thing they were through on that. a single 1.0e-14 off would've ruined everything

[clever talon]

I need you to see this hall of fame quote, never ask me for math

[faint plinth]

(because GK has tried them and they don't seem to work without coordinates being on also)

[solemn zealot]

heh, BO

[clever talon]

anyway, I've used/posted this video a lot during dev, seems like you may need it now too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/657314163407716357/964092785282142208/mind_is_lost.mp4?ex=696aab9f&is=69695a1f&hm=71de51f60aab0f96b992879b80b40a047ab617781169c01c0d0105b5144e261c&

[faint plinth]

Pinned for future use, lol.

But yeah, I assume the target types are these here, which I've gotten out of the beta editor. And which don't seem to work in practice (unless you specify the coordinates regardless)

[clever talon]

nah, cant be

unless they were feeling quirky and they named them differently in both places

[faint plinth]

Hrmmmm

[clever talon]

so 1 would be common, 2 motion and 3 unknown

whatever that is

[solemn zealot]

man i feel bad for any modder of my future games

[clever talon]

anyway if you need to verify further, the function name in the beta is mdlLookAtUpdateLimitAngle

and if you don't already have the beta analyzed and with symbols on ghidra, you can have mine

[faint plinth]

Thank you for looking into it Now we'll see what I actually manage to make of it all, lol.

[clever talon]

"yes"

[faint plinth]

😅

[solemn zealot]

godspeed

[faint plinth]

On the bright side: Pherakki the goat managing to contribute even without being here, by actually having the "extra" animation data parsed in the Blender tool.. so I can use the lookat animations for real instead of rotating Bip01s manually like an animal

(They're technically parsed in GFD, but not labeled beyond being "Bit29Data" and its various unknown fields)

[clever talon]

oops

[faint plinth]

I might need to go back to some nonsense to get torso-moving lookats working, but one step at a time 😤

[solemn zealot]

Im still very confused about the torso thing

I guess i just tick it on most of the time, but maybe that messes with animations by the looks of it? Idk

[faint plinth]

Have you compared with vs. without with no other differences?

[solemn zealot]

I havent compared really. Was too focused on making the events and that wasnt getting in the way

[faint plinth]

Makes sense -- it's honestly a pretty minor thing 🤷

[faint plinth]

who up slerping that quaternion~

[solemn zealot]

I slerp that quaternation until = rotation

[solemn zealot]

wait i missed an update?

oh

https://tenor.com/view/taiho-shichau-zo-teehee-anime-youre-under-arrest-ova-gif-21342147

[clever talon]

btw, what are the current limitations of the render option? want to know before i accidentally break something and its known

[solemn zealot]

no lookat, no character movement aka mmd(which makes more sense to be done when we have more than one frame ). talking about it, it only renders the first nodes in the timeline, not the first frame. doesn't render overlays, nor effects. if a field has another position node, then that also gets used, creating some jank.
if you have a fully custom event (aka making one out of a new unique id), it needs a compiled bmd/bf file to be able to load them, and if you save that file, that gets brought to the femulator folder and the next time you open the program, you'll get this

(thats not specifically render but good to know)

if you add a new asset, then you have to reload the event to display it

you can, however, change outfits. they update without needing to reload

[clever talon]

oh, interesting

[solemn zealot]

must be some path weirdness

oh yeah, MAA (additive animations) are not rendered yet

there's also no confirm button when closing, so make sure to triple save before closing

[ocean acorn]

basically everything related to the script tab is extremely extremely fucked up lmao

[solemn zealot]

it was worse, it used to lag the entire program

[clever talon]

btw, for the z-fighting, the game actually has explicit values in the ENV

i think its called something like nearclip

clip near? i just know it contains those two words

i know this because in the remaster they messed with the rendering process but didnt update any ENVs and now some parts of maruki fields have some nasty z-fighting and i had to fix by messing with env lol

[faint plinth]

The short version:

• All message/script stuff is kinda jank and to be reworked soon, so use it at your own risk
• The render view is basically just proof-of-concept, so it only shows an approximation of the first shot of an event (it's only through jank wizardry that GK and co. have figured out how to make it usable in its current state lol)

[clever talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/681270126657798295/1161338580640215160/h.mp4?ex=696bb7d6&is=696a6656&hm=709b4fe6476d149c4cd0b7f0c993993a6e7eb8961a0829de94659b726aff660c&

look at the posters lmao

[solemn zealot]

i mean, this is pretty useful imo

[ocean acorn]

lmfao

[solemn zealot]

she's speechless

[faint plinth]

There are explicit camera commands for this, too (CClp?). Most other env commands..... will require me to understand how to do anything with shaders 🥹

[clever talon]

like, these fields are just cursed

in this video, i want you to focus on her eyes (like the highlights) and the stars on her face/hair

this happens ONLY on some maruki fields and nowhere else

wait even her hair was zfighting

what in the world did they do here lmfao

[solemn zealot]

omg i finally found the waitress. why is it listed as 'pedestrian apron female' in the wiki???? 😭

[clever talon]

lipsum shared this image with me a while ago, I think this is from the PS4 version of P5R? but i dont think there should be any relevant differences

oh the text disappeared lmao

[faint plinth]

My to-do list in approximate order:

• Show lookats in render (in-progress); maybe attachments, too
• Actual frame-awareness in render, including accounting for more animations and movements rather than just MSD_
• Overhaul message/script stuff

[clever talon]

well, you know what they say, take things one step at a time

[solemn zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-a-minute-wait-a-second-wait-whoa-there-what-did-i-just-see-gif-13900813

[clever talon]

open in browser

lol

oh

discord preview cooked it

hang on

does this one open

[plucky berry]

Mmmmm... Technnically CClp does exist, yeah... But I could never get it to match what an ENV's settings could do

[solemn zealot]

this worked

[clever talon]

anyway, dont worry too much about z-fighting i guess, because even atlus messed it up

[faint plinth]

I already had to fix it once, lolll.

[solemn zealot]

>i dont think there there should be any relevant differences
>the raidou in the room

https://tenor.com/view/lol-gif-23297147

[faint plinth]

ZNear was like 0.001 or some shit by default at first

[clever talon]

"what Raidou?" - Atlus

[ocean acorn]

barbie doll sumire jumpscare

[balmy basalt]

Ah, the good old days of zfighting (a month ago)

ajda

Ooooh, I think I actually found something that improves it a bit. The camera's zNear being too close to zero decreases the resolution overall... so there's some quality to be gained by increasing that, even just a little bit. Not a total fix, but we're getting somewhere. Before/after:

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[clever talon]

oh my god lmao

[faint plinth]

It was BAD 😅

[solemn zealot]

the hell happened to her leg anyway

[solemn zealot]

tbf maruki's reality is literally zfighting

just being lore accurate

what would be the equivalent of a 4th dimension zfighting? 🤔

ζ-fighting?

[clever talon]

it doesnt happen on the pee ass fore version

[faint plinth]

She is beautiful...

[solemn zealot]

this model doesnt have a gap 🫠

[faint plinth]

Do you know any events that use the model?

Even field scripts and whatnot would be fine.

[solemn zealot]

could be unused. there are a lot of 'apron female'

[faint plinth]

Hmmm...

[solemn zealot]

i wonder if i could just yoink of another female npc

[ocean acorn]

does it have use common anims checked

[solemn zealot]

yes, but without it it has no animations at all

0 gap files

holy lag

[faint plinth]

It's reloading the assets 🤷

Must be taking a while because the number doesn't exist and it's backtracking to find one that does, or something.

[solemn zealot]

it should probably load them after the popup window closes at least

[faint plinth]

Yeah, it'd be nice to do stuff in the background more often, but I'm not very good at that kind of detailed threading stuff. So it will have to be optimized later.

[solemn zealot]

why are npc animation so cursed 🫠

i have yet to find one whose animation actually works even for them

pfft

i guess npcs just use different common animation ids

[faint plinth]

There are definite groupings for the common anims, but I don't know if there's a good way to know ahead of time which ones are right for a given model.

[solemn zealot]

i'll just look into events with waitresses

THIS IS A PNG????

i was bamboozled

[faint plinth]

LMFAO???

I've never gone to that location in-game, but. Lmfao.

[solemn zealot]

i only went for the achievement and for the twins

uh... we are getting close at least

[faint plinth]

The fact that the image doesn't even cover the full screen and only gets away with it because of the cinemascope......

[solemn zealot]

wait is that why?

[faint plinth]

I assume?

Always possible it's a rendering inaccuracy.

But yeah that's absolutely in range to be covered by the cinemascope, lol.

[clever talon]

these images do cover the screen though

there are loads of fields like that

[clever talon]

the aquarium is also layered images for example

[solemn zealot]

wait what

https://tenor.com/view/cat-annoyed-eyeing-cat-meme-cat-funny-gif-14867130448325066479

[faint plinth]

Ah, so it is a rendering inaccuracy moment!

[clever talon]

maybe its something like fov mismatch?

[faint plinth]

Are there multiple camera sets and it's using the wrong one?

[solemn zealot]

only 1 (one) camera

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-snapcube-sonic-fandub-haha-ha-one-gif-18445861023640779499

[faint plinth]

Mm, yeah, all the 3D assets look like they're in the right place. So I dunno. Could be an FOV thing.

[solemn zealot]

im changing the fov and doesn look like its getting any closer to whats being shown ingame

myabe the png is just rendered wrong idk?

[faint plinth]

Hmmmmm.

[solemn zealot]

im gazing into the forbidden

i wonder if p3 or p4 ever had somewhere that was basically all png like here

the director's office is also just png right? the 3d model is a single desk

[harsh carbon]

to my knowledge no, every area/field in those games are 3D modeled

[solemn zealot]

seems to be more of a stylistic choice. they dont need to do it like that after all

[harsh carbon]

closest they get in P3/P4 is making some background details purely textured or obviously for fields that only show up in cutscenes they don't model anything the camera won't see lol

[solemn zealot]

the office looks fine?

this art is pretty what a shame i barely paid attention to it

there are some slight differences

[harsh carbon]

seems like the game does render the backgrounds differently then

not sure if it's a case of the game doing strecthing/skewing that evtui doesn't or vice-versa but that's what it looks like to me

[solemn zealot]

the different colors i think are just an effect of the filters they use for different parts of the day

yeah there are no nodes in the event that could've added this

[harsh carbon]

i didn't think the colours needed mentioning since that's obviously an ENV thing since it applies to the models too lol

but that is

[solemn zealot]

who knows. there are filters they use sometimes that is applied in the events themselves

[faint plinth]

Mostly fine, but it's still slightly off if you look at the right and left edges. (Although maybe that goes away if you maximize the editor in this case, idk.)

[faint plinth]

Okay, I thiiink I got the right/left component of the lookats working (ignore Haru/Mona/Futaba in this example). There was slerping, there was lerping... and there's still the up/down component to do 😅

Not sure what I need to do to get Ann's hair to work properly....

Guess hair physics are handled separately 🤷

[solemn zealot]

Lets goooooo

[clever talon]

ann's hair and some other stuff uses real time physics

i hope you love making collision capsules

[solemn zealot]

bruh why didnt i look into the diner's own event first

finally, waitress

[solemn zealot]

what is happening here

[faint plinth]

Some Beauty and the Beast shit...

Lol, some cups have the animations for drinking them baked in rather than acting as attachments. I guess this one has that set via MSD_ for some reason.

[solemn zealot]

no way...

[faint plinth]

The ones with saucers usually do, lolll.

[solemn zealot]

they ever thought of just... having a saucer model by itself?

[faint plinth]

Blasphemy.

[clever talon]

think of the poor interns, having to attach the cup to the hand helper bone

oh the horror

[pale linden]

Jedi

[solemn zealot]

ohmigosh this animation is so cute

too bad i never paid attention to it. its so well made

[faint plinth]

Cute, omg...

[pale linden]

Who is that?

[faint plinth]

Background NPC kid model.

[pale linden]

Huh, would have assumed he's more important

[solemn zealot]

there are a lot of npc models. this is a generic boy one

[faint plinth]

It turns out...... lookats.......... are hard

[solemn zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-sad-emoji-getting-disintegrated-into-dust-denigrating-denigrating-face-emoji-meme-lol-gif-27508363

well, look at that, lookats are indeed hard

[faint plinth]

I'm not NOT making progress, but man......................

[solemn zealot]

you can do it trust

[faint plinth]

Wahahaaaagh... why is the vertical lookat component so much more confusing............. 😭

[faint plinth]

Currently contending with the dreaded "sometimes it looks exactly right and sometimes it's completely wrong"

[clever talon]

i know this probably wont help you but from the code it seemed like it was standard stuff like "cast a ray from character head bone into look at location" and calculate from there

[faint plinth]

It's definitely something along those lines... the hard part is correctly factoring in whatever rotation the head already has from animations + the model's positioning, etc. 🥲

Pretty literally a moment like

[clever talon]

why not try "ignoring" the rotation data from animation and just calculate from the base rotation?

and then you can just have the lookat "supercede" the animation rotation

might just work

[faint plinth]

Maybe......... 🥺

[clever talon]

it makes sense logically

if the animation has the head rotated 25 degrees, and then the lookat makes it end up at 40, then the animation's rotation just became irrelevant

[faint plinth]

True, but the animation is also what determines the head height.

[clever talon]

does it really?

i dont see a situation where head bone translation matters

[faint plinth]

In cases where characters are sitting and such, it makes a pretty big difference in head height.

[clever talon]

ignore the XZ then

[faint plinth]

🧠

[clever talon]

youd probably have to do something like grabbing the current world transform and then apply the lookat modifiers?

[faint plinth]

I'm doing that, more or less.

[clever talon]

are you taking into account the max/upper limit values?

(and did you also remember to include them as negative?)

[faint plinth]

Yep, doing all of that 🫡

[clever talon]

cant say i have any more ideas then

other than atlus being quirky with it

[faint plinth]

I'll get there sooner or later. It does help to talk it out, though

(If nothing else, it tells me I'm at least not doing something insanely incorrect and needing to start over, lol)

[faint plinth]

This is ancient history by now, but did you end up figuring out what the issue was here with the lookats?

[solemn zealot]

Nope, but i could probably have tested my hypothesis of being related to the torso's or body's rotation somewhat

[solemn zealot]

yknow, not a priority, but having a way to set a node's color would be very useful for events with a lot of nodes. i could use it to easily mark characters and conditional trees at least

the more i think about it the more i realize how useful this would be

since this is not here: have insert and empty frames update frj_'s index

[faint plinth]

That list is specifically about message/script stuff, but it might be worth having TODO collections for other things.

[solemn zealot]

why do i consistently forget this

[faint plinth]

Maybe I'm not sure what the most convenient selection of tools for the timeline is going to be. I know for sure I want (a) sub-rows within each category per asset, and (b) a search tool.

...But I don't really know what the best way to do branching will be. Possibly that'll come when I also figure out variable storage, so whatever won't activate based on the current values is grayed out. Or something.

[ocean acorn]

wait wot

[faint plinth]

What's the confusion...?

[ocean acorn]

not really confusion so much as just me being surprised that this is here

[faint plinth]

Ah, I see, lol.

[ocean acorn]

(its an unused command to play awakening lol)

(its right before when cendrillon normally appears in this event)

wait theres another one where will power starts instead lol

[solemn zealot]

forceskip sounds useful tbh. i use it sometimes just at the beginnig to store values i can easily retrieve from later (usually the camera transform)

[solemn zealot]

whats the value of the cueid below this one? is it used?

[ocean acorn]

its a stop command actually, so regret stops playing

[solemn zealot]

these forceskips in the middle of nowhere are probably from during development. must've been more convenient to keep the commands there instead of completely deleting while still testing things?

[clever talon]

they're absolutely dev leftovers

force skip is how they hide the old difficulty select

instead of being a dedicated menu sae would ask you

and all of that is still in the evt

[solemn zealot]

ngl that sounds cooler

[clever talon]

it is!

[solemn zealot]

how it is in the game is like
>"you were enjoying every second of it huh?"
>(was i enjoying it...?)
>difficulty select ui
>"...you should know your place"

i dont think he actually reacts differently does he

[clever talon]

i should probably port this to PC now that I patched the debug script command to set the current day to work
https://youtu.be/8_4GcRgTT8c?t=64

skip to 2mins in

[solemn zealot]

how difficult is it to edit the difficulty select screen?

because an event def sounds less of a hassle

[clever talon]

hardcoded lol

[solemn zealot]

i'll probably be having something like this then

[ocean acorn]

i dont have a bug report or anything, i just thought this was amusing

[solemn zealot]

cendrillon's 4th form

ngl it looks sick

[solemn zealot]

(oops)

[solemn zealot]

(i have no idea how i accidentally overwrote sae with a 10yo boy)

[faint plinth]

New mod concept just dropped

[weary pelican]

What have you done Girl

[pale linden]

Pharos is that you?

[rocky kelp]

i would love this

[solemn zealot]

holy moly it has been a good while since the last crash

🤔

okay thats weird. pressing "from ext?" when you dont have those animations is crashing too

i thought that was fixed?

or am i misremembering...?

also, setting this to 180 makes the render tab make an error popup like, every frame (which makes sense but should perhaps be specifically handled to not have hundreds of windows be opened)

💀 yeah this has to be fixed

at rest for comparison

[solemn zealot]

(at rest in the render tab)

[solemn zealot]

lmao this is how the game handles it

[faint plinth]

AAAAAA

I forgot about this issue 😅 But also perhaps a fix to prevent every-frame errors in general (e.g., by having one turn off the rendering) is in order...

[solemn zealot]

just make it render a white rectangle when the fov is 180

technically accurate

[faint plinth]

🧠 ⬜

[faint plinth]

Oh yeah, I never actually did anything to fix this, so idk why it works or doesn't 🤷 I should probably figure that out, but the crashes are a Windows Exclusive ™️, so it's more a matter of changing how the previewing UI works to prevent it from coming up....

[solemn zealot]

first video: me setting all the lookats to 'middle' speed type.
second video: me setting all the lookats to 'slow' speed type

thanks atlus

[faint plinth]

All the lookat command info I got from the beta editor makes so little sense in practice, RIP 😭

[solemn zealot]

btw its the same thing with 'direct', which is weird cause i remember it working? idk

considering how the head moved a bit down... maybe it just reset? why?

[solemn zealot]

interesting...

seems like the ingame camera has a higher near clipping value?

also the angle is definitively different

[solemn zealot]

nevermind its not

it's not 100% pixel perfect overlaying but you can still tell that its perfectly accurate

i should probably do this test again when mla is implemented

[faint plinth]

Interesting about that rafter in the foreground... maybe a clipping thing, or may be a field loading thing 🤔

[faint plinth]

I have been working on it continuously and still can't get it right

[solemn zealot]

trust

[amber moth]

It looks like it's more zoomed in tbh

[faint plinth]

I'm about ready to ask DC for screenshots of the full lookat code, honestly 😅

[amber moth]

You should

[solemn zealot]

i'd have to get exact dimensions to be able to tell if there's a difference or not

[amber moth]

get the ui toggle mod and compare it

[solemn zealot]

what is the resolution in the render?

[amber moth]

it's definitely more zoomed in ingame

https://gamebanana.com/mods/412136

iirc it should remove the bars

[faint plinth]

You should also be able to toggle off the cinemascope for the event, if you want.

[amber moth]

that too

[solemn zealot]

cinemascope?

[faint plinth]

Under some of the settings on the timeline tab.

The cinemascope is the black/starry frame.

[plucky berry]

It’s a clipping thing

[faint plinth]

Not sure how it would be more zoomed in if everything else is aligned as well as it is. Clipping or field object toggling seems more likely 🤔

[plucky berry]

You’d be surprised what makes use of it

[faint plinth]

Hm, do we know what the default clip is?

I think I have it at 1 if it's not otherwise set by CClp.

[plucky berry]

When we tried porting jazz stuff to base P5, for example, we discovered that the camera is actually placed inside a wall

And Royal just used clipping to not show it

[faint plinth]

(A fair amount of things also don't use clipping when I'd expect them to, lol. Like the left windowed wall of the classroom and the curtains during class events.)

I really thought that'd be a clipping thing, but nope, fully toggled off....

[solemn zealot]

holy shit playing p5 windowed feels weird

[faint plinth]

But yeah, maybe default (near) clip is higher than I have it 🤷

[solemn zealot]

okay got very accurate dimensions now

[faint plinth]

This is so cool, omg.

[solemn zealot]

the render ate these pixels

[faint plinth]

[solemn zealot]

yeah seems pretty accurate, some left pixels aside

[faint plinth]

Might be resolved if you fullscreen it? If not, I'll have to look at why the padding is like that.

[solemn zealot]

it does

yay

[faint plinth]

Okay, cool. So it's just the default Window size getting in the way.

Bit of z-fighting happening in there, too, hmmm...

[solemn zealot]

what if it does ingame too but we just can't see it?

[faint plinth]

🤯

[faint plinth]

If you add a CClp and set the near clip to, like, 2, does the rafter disappear from the render? Or how high does the clip need to be before it does?

[solemn zealot]

(180 near) thats... thats just gore of my comfort character

it partially disappears at 5, fully at 6

[faint plinth]

Damn, 6 seems really high for a default, but maybe......

[solemn zealot]

setting to 2 ingame does this

so the default must really be somewhere above 6

[faint plinth]

!!!

[solemn zealot]

i could shove the camera up something's ass and compare the clipping ingame to get the actual value

[faint plinth]

[faint plinth]

Interesting that everything else is aligned, but the rafter still isn't exactly....