EVTUI (Visual event editing tool)

[rocky kelp]

ok main's script works fine

[solemn zealot]

(would've been great to have this when adjusting the camera for this event )

[ocean acorn]

oh right mona does that

[solemn zealot]

oh right does that

[faint plinth]

OK, pushed changes to the Windows bootstrap script to the branch.

[solemn zealot]

i'll be having nightmares

[rocky kelp]

i have no idea wtf is wrong here

[solemn zealot]

its the introduction to mona scene when he's in jail

[faint plinth]

Yeah, I don't know either. Between that and the timeline issues specific to you, as far as I can tell....

[rocky kelp]

no i'm talking about my script

[solemn zealot]

oh lmao

[rocky kelp]

fuck me man

[solemn zealot]

rip

[rocky kelp]

i'll try running it on my main drive since it's talking about my mount point

[faint plinth]

Have you tried fully deleting your clone and re-cloning from scratch? 😅

[rocky kelp]

lmao now i't stalking about my mount point / bro what

[ocean acorn]

yeah checking out the right branch and running batch script fails with afaict the same errors i had before

[faint plinth]

Booooo....

[amber moth]

vs hates EVTUI...

[ocean acorn]

time to delete it a-fuckin-gain!!

[solemn zealot]

phrasing

[ocean acorn]

im not even really using vs features though...

[rocky kelp]

linux speak

uhh how do you clone a specific branch from terminal i'll try that this time

[faint plinth]

Clone, then git checkout psy/asset-management.

[ocean acorn]

i just reflexively open it from vs and then do everything on commandline anyway

ive just been keeping this tab open always lol https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9153598/how-do-i-fetch-a-branch-on-someone-elses-fork-on-github

[solemn zealot]

i just did git clone -b psy/asset-management https://github.com/DarkPsydeOfTheMoon/EVTUI.git according to some stackoverflow answer

[faint plinth]

Oh, dope, that also works.

[amber moth]

I remembered the command this time, but forgot to cd into EVTUI...

[rocky kelp]

it works now

[solemn zealot]

yay my custom event is working

kinda

okay now that i deleted the duplicated camera its working properly (we can manage with the void as a wall)

[rocky kelp]

it works

[solemn zealot]

ugh why are images so huge on discord

queen shit

[rocky kelp]

oh they moving

[amber moth]

annbrine

[ocean acorn]

deleting a second goddamn time, actually changing to the right branch, and then running the script and building works

this isnt apparent from the screencap but marukis shirt is trying to escape from his coat

[amber moth]

lol

[solemn zealot]

what about salty water?

[amber moth]

my favorite kind of water

[rocky kelp]

so it only shows initial positions?

[amber moth]

from the looks of it yeah

[ocean acorn]

it crashed with an out of memory error for some reason

or

wait no

[rocky kelp]

evtui sucks all your memory

[solemn zealot]

he's truly committed to reading it

[ocean acorn]

my brain is already gaslighting me on if thats the right error

naturally i cant seem to reproduce

[rocky kelp]

unreproducable errors.....

[solemn zealot]

i cant reproduce

[rocky kelp]

did someone take your ovaries

[solemn zealot]

idk let me check

[ocean acorn]

i went to check another discord and it froze my machine for a couple seconds then crashed again, only this time without the error popup

[solemn zealot]

every copy of evtui is personalized

[rocky kelp]

with how i'm the only one getting timeline problems... yeah

[solemn zealot]

man this is dark

uh... hello there. wait, why are her eyes normal here 🤔

[faint plinth]

So it goes when you have a massive, sprawling piece of software maintained by a single dev 😅

[solemn zealot]

oh, the eyes always vanish when away from the camera

thats some agressive lod

[faint plinth]

Yeah, GFDStudio seems to have some issues with scaling/distance in that way.

[solemn zealot]

yusuke this is ann's room (so camera can actually update when changing the initial values, but models need a restart of the scene)

[faint plinth]

I am glad all the issues just seem to be garden-variety jank and not related to the changes. So... full speed ahead!

[solemn zealot]

the environment looks fine, but the characters seem to get very pixelated. i wonder why its like that

[faint plinth]

The environment can also have issues like that, tbh, it's just less noticeable because it's rarely as intricate mesh-wise.

[solemn zealot]

oh true

[amber moth]

seems like changing model idle animations work without any restarts

[faint plinth]

Lol???

I don't know how 😅

[solemn zealot]

because they are already loaded?

[faint plinth]

I guess?? But I didn't think it was hooked up to the renderer that way. Cool, though.

[amber moth]

yeah it seems to just work

[solemn zealot]

[faint plinth]

This thing truly does take on a life of its own in everyone's respective copy 😆

[amber moth]

Interestingly enough I changed the first MSD for asset 5 into asset 3 and this happened. Which this anim happens later on in the event.

the same thing happened to sumi

[jolly epoch]

do I have to do a fresh clone for this to work?

[ocean acorn]

possibly

[jolly epoch]

nope I just had to delete the AST and GFD Studio folders and run the batch script again

so how does the renderer work @faint plinth?

I'm guessing there's not quite a way to advance the timeline yet

since you said it'd be pretty difficult

[amber moth]

not yet

[balmy basalt]

ajda

OK, if anyone wants to try out the branch psy/asset-management, it's up + unmerged. I still need to do some cleanup, but some basic Windows testing would be nice 🙏

What to expect:

• The bootstrap script needing to be re-run first!
• Events may take a few moments longer to load than before (for obvious reasons)
• The rendering tab will show some very basic blocking of the field and initial model positions + animations
• Assuming you're on P5R, fields should show up with their textures (but my initial tests of the P5 beta suggest field textures aren't working there just yet)

What not to expect (yet):

• Any responsiveness of the render to changes you make (without reloading, at least)
• Palace fields to show up at all, lol (black void be upon ye)
• Fields to look complete, because field objects aren't working yet
• Crashes... ideally. But this hasn't run on Windows yet, so it'd be nice to confirm that 😅

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[solemn zealot]

just delete every frame until you get to the one you want ||/j||

[jolly epoch]

it works fine on windows so far

[jolly epoch]

true

btw I'm getting the temptation to try and make a 2d game engine

[solemn zealot]

well, closing an event can crash the whole thing but hey its when closing

uh i dont think you are supposed to kiss someone by melting into their heads... but hey, you do you!

this feature is great

[faint plinth]

FINALLY

[solemn zealot]

[faint plinth]

Energy of smashing your toys' faces together to make them kiss 😆 but that's just how blocking out a scene goes, lmfao.

[solemn zealot]

Energy of smashing your toys' faces together to make them kiss

thats just making fanfics in general

[faint plinth]

Well, true, but I meant the head melting part of it, lol.

[solemn zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spongebob-pickle-patrick-gif-7425915

[faint plinth]

Seems this is just pointers doing their magic, because I was able to scooch Sojiro over to a bar chair from the booth, lmao.

I'm still going to have to get much more sophisticated with things to get full reactivity working here, but it's a nice accidental aspect of the feature, I guess!

[amber moth]

Yeah definitely, I mean even as it stands it's still leagues better than before.

[faint plinth]

Since before was literally nothing, lol.

[faint plinth]

He lurks....

[amber moth]

dude got a bad haircut

[faint plinth]

The balding has hit him earlier than expected

[amber moth]

maruki respawned him incorrectly

[solemn zealot]

if only i had a shido emoji

[ocean acorn]

egghead

[weary pelican]

Must be on the Switch

[faint plinth]

It is merged 🔥

(You should all be able to move back to the main branch, in other words.)

[jolly epoch]

what have you added since I last checked in?

or changed

[faint plinth]

It's more or less what was in the branch when I last recommended testing it. I just cleaned up some stuff, but nothing functionality-wise.

[jolly epoch]

👍

I'll wait to switch until there's more features then

[faint plinth]

Ideal date: going to a jazz club and t-posing together 🥰

[jolly epoch]

shusumi asserting their dominance over the fandom

[rocky kelp]

me and bro in the void

i'm testing a lot of different events

[solemn zealot]

wait theres a bike there????

[rocky kelp]

hawaii is scary without the background

[faint plinth]

Oh yeah, guess I need to load the skyboxes, too, lmao.... Not sure if those will straightforwardly come with loading field objects or not.

[amber moth]

They should, stuff like sun glare and skyboxes are just objects

[faint plinth]

Yeah, but I don't know if the fields have pointers to them on a node (as is the case with other objects), or if I need to add them in separately.

[amber moth]

They do

[faint plinth]

Oh? Nice.

[amber moth]

Yeah, like 90% sure they all just have skybox bones that spawn in said skybox

[solemn zealot]

looks pretty accurate for a beach at night

shit's dark

[faint plinth]

(remembers that the darts event is coded really wildly) Oh, I bet this one will look funny as h--

[rocky kelp]

takemi??? hifumi???

DOUBLE MORGANA??

[faint plinth]

Yeah, Takemi, Kawakami, and Hifumi are the default models for some reason, and their models get replaced via script based on who you called. (I assume it's them both because then it's obvious if something went wrong for debugging, and also it's funny.)

Double Morgana is a mystery, lmfao.

Tag yourself, I'm Futaba's shoes lying abandoned on the floor.

[rocky kelp]

I'm Morgana 1

[faint plinth]

This one also takes like five minutes to load because of the way I did the GAP-doesn't-exist backoff logic... lmao... I guess I need to rethink that...

[jolly epoch]

I'm the plant

[ocean acorn]

im the dartsless dart wall

[ocean acorn]

if i ever have to make a fuckass event like that im going for the funniest default models i can think of

[ocean acorn]

also opens jazz club
oh lol it crashes on close for me too

[faint plinth]

Huh. Anything in the logs after the crash?

[ocean acorn]

oh i forgor to check, i immediately got distracted labeling some confidant abilities for this imhex pattern

uhh im not sure if theres anything useful but there are some gfd warnings at the bottom

[solemn zealot]

[solemn zealot]

@faint plinth clicking on a msg_ in 132_001 (ryuji's awakening cutscene) crashes for some reason

also playing bgm and sfx from the snd_ can often just crash, but the same ones throught the Audio tab dont

[solemn zealot]

oh one last thing. any plans on supporting bgme framework? or at least allow manual input here (the new tracks should be able to be called in events right?)

[faint plinth]

Sounds like a job for the Put Error Catching In Every Button Click Handler PR I need to make so we stop getting so many unexplained crashes 😅

[solemn zealot]

[faint plinth]

Hm, I don't know how BGME works -- I thought it was for battles only? Which is why I never considered adding support for it. If I'm wrong, I will. But if the modded cues are in BGM_42 then they're not going to get picked up by events anyway.

Events look at the regular BGM only.

[faint plinth]

I see

[solemn zealot]

should i ryo?

[faint plinth]

Full support is going to take a bit of work, since it's not straightforwardly replacing cues in the same ACB. I'll put it in the same "TBD" category as Ryo audio support.

As for being able to select the cues anyway, listenability aside, hm....

[solemn zealot]

i manually edited (it shows 0 in evtui)

welp...

its the music at 50 secs

[faint plinth]

I can change the dropdown into a numeric entry until there's support for audio frameworks, to unblock here. I was just hesitating because I like the dropdown, lol. But the same is already the case for Scr_, I suppose, where I want a dropdown but have numeric entry in the meantime....

[solemn zealot]

i personally love entry + dropdown myself

good for customizability in case something doesnt get registered in the program while still having the easy to access list

[faint plinth]

Do you have an example of that?

Like, what does the dropdown show when you've entered a number that's not in it? Or are they not both showing at once?

[solemn zealot]

i dont know the proper terminology for ux elements. but from what i've seen when using some tools, is that the dropdown shows the normal list when nothing appears, and the predictive text kicks in when you input something. basically, the input box is the value and the dropdown sets that value, but you can also just input stuff there.
honestly, just detecting the added stuff to bgm42 for a bgme dependency should work. CBT also has some it adds using that

tbh just do what you think is better that wont derail the current scope

[faint plinth]

Hm, I don't know if Avalonia has anything like that out of the box. This comes to mind, but no dropdown shows up until you've entered something, as far as I can tell.

That would be the ideal compromise, though.

[solemn zealot]

i dont think there is any other mod that adds bgm entries right?

might not be necessary then. just check for bgme

[faint plinth]

Ryo can. Regardless, that's more implementation work that isn't as trivial as a check at the moment, so it would take a while to unblock you that way. A UI-based unblock would be quickest.

[solemn zealot]

fair. you do have the audio tab to check for the numbers anyway so its not that much added friction

[faint plinth]

🙂‍↕️ I'll change it to numeric entry until I figure something else out.

[mellow gazelle]

it's the same as ryo, those docs are hella old

only difference is putting files in MOD_FOLDER/BGME/GAME_NAME will apply some preconfigured settings for music

[ocean acorn]

the short of it is you assign your new track a cue id and stick it in BGME/P5R (or BGM_42.awb for legacy reasons)
you can use it for battles specifically but youre not limited to it, i dont think anyones done this but theres afaik nothing stopping someone from calling their custom cue in an evt

[solemn zealot]

it indeed works with evts

[ocean acorn]

for battles specifically i wouldnt even recommend using bgme framework over reactive (if it has an entry for the encounter you need) or battle themes (if youre just messing with trash mobs) barring a discrete reason

[mellow gazelle]

using BGM_42 applies the stuff from docs (10k id shift between file id and game/script ID)

[ocean acorn]

yeah ik

[mellow gazelle]

since removing that would break all old mods

[ocean acorn]

i was already familiar with it back before the core cue-adding functionality was moved to ryo

[mellow gazelle]

can always trust you to understand my stuff

[solemn zealot]

you cant trust me

[faint plinth]

OK, pushed a fix for Snd_ to be able to use whatever cue IDs you enter numerically. (And also not crash if you try to play one not in the ACB.)

[jolly epoch]

quick question

is there a particular reason rotations are locked at 180 degrees either way?

like can the game interpret higher values than that or was it just a UI choice you decided to make?

[faint plinth]

All vanilla events + the beta event editor cap it between -180 and +180.

I suspect higher numbers would be fine, but they wouldn't do anything different than what you can already do.

[jolly epoch]

having it go all the way to 360 both ways would be more convenient though

capping it at 180 actually does make some stuff a bit annoying

if you remove the cap on manual input then you could also make characters spin a bunch of times :)

[faint plinth]

Like what?

[jolly epoch]

if it's already at 180 and would be easier to set it to like 200 for a rotation instead of going all the way back around

plus converting from blender to EVTUI was also a bit annoying in this regard since blender doesn't cap it at 180

I'd suggest either increasing the slider maximums or just making it so that manual input isn't capped

there's a lot of stuff that's like that I think, where there's strict maxes for the slider itself but not the manual input

[faint plinth]

Hmm, I'm not super inclined to change it from what vanilla does if it's not actually causing in-game issues, since both of those would be more or less solved when the rendering is complete.

But I do wonder... how does the game decide whether rotation is clockwise or counterclockwise?

[solemn zealot]

vibes (i have no idea)

[faint plinth]

Like, if you rotated from 170° to -170°, would it go all the way around, or pick the smaller angle?

[jolly epoch]

that's why I'm asking

like whether it's a hard limit or not

[faint plinth]

I mean, I do think it would be worth checking what the game actually does there with the numbers capped as they are.

Since, again, this cap is consistent with vanilla EVTs.

And if there's something we really can't do without removing the cap, then it's worth changing.

Otherwise, my inclination would be to just add a way to convert higher numbers directly to within the range, within the editor.

[jolly epoch]

QoL dictates otherwise tbh

[faint plinth]

But would it still be an issue with the renderer?

[jolly epoch]

I'm talking about this from a more user-input thing. it depends on how the game interprets EVT files

[faint plinth]

Removing the cap would also basically make the slider useless.

[jolly epoch]

not really

[faint plinth]

Sliders with huge ranges kind of just need to use numerical entry.

[jolly epoch]

that's why I suggested either increasing it to 360 both ways or removing the cap on manual input (as in what you type in the box)

[faint plinth]

👆

i.e., have the editor do the calculation for you.

[jolly epoch]

fair

but I can think of one thing that you could do with this if the game can still interpret higher rotational values

https://tenor.com/view/spin-record-cat-gif-21749933

[faint plinth]

The little spinny... lol.

[solemn zealot]

make mona throw up?

[jolly epoch]

yes

[faint plinth]

If we can figure out how the game decides whether to rotate clockwise or counter, you might be able to do that anyway, albeit with some steps.

[jolly epoch]

it's worth it

[rocky kelp]

oh my god

you need to keep that

[jolly epoch]

in my mod?

[rocky kelp]

yes

[jolly epoch]

lol

[solemn zealot]

she's so happy

> is spinning

[jolly epoch]

she's so head over heels for her Senpai that she can't help it

well ig that the entire project is open source

I can probably just edit my local repo

and add the feature in for my own mod

fyi speed of the spin is determined by the duration

that unfortunately means she'll eventually stop spinning if you play this one for too long

I set it to 2500 frames

it doesn't affect the end of the scene btw

it still ends at the same point

but yes, the game can interpret angular values of above 180 degrees in either direction 👍

I'll be honest

I'm kinda wondering if I could do some more reverse engineering to find the angle of the models as interpreted by the EXE

and if the character ID is stored somewhere close, I could legit just have one of the characters always spin

@solemn zealot if I were to make one character in the game literally always spin

who should it be

[solemn zealot]

yoshida

[jolly epoch]

he'd only spin during his confidant though

okay

what about Kawakami

or a party member

I think as long as the character ID is always consistent (and it should be, I mean they're stored at a close offset even in regards to SP/HP so model shouldn't be too different)

then I should be able to do it to literally any character in the game

but I'd like it to be one you see more often

[faint plinth]

Did you end up using EvtTool to enter a bigger number here? I'm wondering where the apparent frame skips in her rotation are coming from

[jolly epoch]

yes

[jolly epoch]

I think it's the Mla_ that's doing that

since that one has max and mins

[faint plinth]

Oh, true, if you only look at her legs the spinning looks much smoother.

[jolly epoch]

yeah MRot doesn't impact head rotation

if I were to use the exe to make Sumi always spin though it might, idk though

[jolly epoch]

to be more specific it's not gonna change what the character is looking at is what I meant

[faint plinth]

Okay, what if: the rotation entry stays the same, BUT there's an additional number entry for how many times the model spins around?

[jolly epoch]

idk

sometimes it won't do all the spins

it's some mix of the duration and the angle

[faint plinth]

Possibly also the interpolation.

But I mean just in terms of "ways to effectively enter larger numbers that still maintains the smaller slider range for normal use cases."

[jolly epoch]

I mean idk why it can't just be a slider with smaller more common values and then manually entering in a value into the textbox just isn't capped the same way

would it be tough to do that with the way you have it set up?

[faint plinth]

Decoupling them gets complicated fast.

Presumably you want the slider to indicate what you're seeing in the text box, but if you have a huge number there and then adjust the slider, would you expect it to jump back to the -180 to 180 range, or something else? Either way, nonintuitive.

And anyway, if you have a big number, is it not easier to know exactly where the rotation will end if the box shows the normalized degrees?

[jolly epoch]

well stuff where I've seen this, the slider would go up to its own cap but wouldn't restrict the value from going further. It's just if you use the slider that's the cap

[faint plinth]

But then what happens if you use the slider after setting a big number? It jumps back down? Seems kind of annoying -- more so than being able to use the slider while still getting a big number.

[jolly epoch]

I think it's gonna be a little inconsistent no matter what way it's handled

because if the duration is too small it'll actually stop before the rotations finish

there's a max speed it can rotate at I think

[jolly epoch]

yeah that's usually what happens

as I said though, you don't really have to do this at all

[faint plinth]

Is the speed not related to interpolation?

[jolly epoch]

if I find it more convenient I can literally just open your project in VS and edit it myself

[jolly epoch]

I think it is, but there might be a strict maximum in the engine for how fast it can go

[faint plinth]

Interesting....

[jolly epoch]

like beyond increasing the max a bit in both directions I can't really think of a use case for spinning beyond me just goofing off

[jolly epoch]

and I mean like only up to 360 either way

[faint plinth]

Well, my current thought is to have a checkbox to the effect of Enable Multiple Rotations? If it's checked, then there's an additional numeric entry for Number of Rotations and either way, if you type a larger number into the textbox, it normalizes it to the usual range (unlike now where I think it just sets it to max?).

So basically... you always know where the rotation is going to end. And the normal use case stays the same.

If it normalizes the range for you, not sure if there's much use in extending it to 360.

[jolly epoch]

could use some testing

but also idk if there's ever really a direct 360 degree rotation in any scenes beyond animations

so who knows how they handle it

[jolly epoch]

like Sumire has a little spinning animation in her GAP file but obviously that's different from MRot

[faint plinth]

Seems like an actual animation would look better for most spinning use cases, true.

(Goofy ones aside.)

[jolly epoch]

yeah but if switching from 180 to -170 makes the character turn all the way around, it'd be more useful to increase the max

I can check real quick

which event to use though

I'll test it with the scene where Ann makes an excuse not to spend time with Kamoshida

since I want to edit that one anyway

it won't let me select this one

because the other one completely overlaps it

[faint plinth]

Ooh, that is not supposed to happen, lol. Is this happening in a vanilla event that I can check and debug?

[faint plinth]

This would be good to know, yeah.

[jolly epoch]

it happened when I added one and wanted to check the one it overlapped

[solemn zealot]

how did i forget to mention this

[jolly epoch]

yeah

it does it automatically

darn

maybe a better way to do quick arithmetic with it could work as a solution?

so like if you were to type in the box "180+30" it would set it to -150

but it's a small thing

[solemn zealot]

i hate windows

the order added seems to have click priority, which can lead to this

[faint plinth]

You mean it has them turn all the way around?

[jolly epoch]

no

it shortens the distance

[faint plinth]

Oooh.

Okay, so basically no point in going up to 360 if also normalizing automatically.

[jolly epoch]

well maybe

I still hold the position it might be easier for me specifically, but again

[solemn zealot]

counterpoint: 360 is a cool number. it reminds me of my xbox

[jolly epoch]

your project is open source so I can legit just do that on my end

hmmm

I just decided to check the renderer for this particular scene lol

[solemn zealot]

shujin has only 1 floor now ig

[jolly epoch]

after p5 they might only need 1 floor for all the students they're gonna have left

[faint plinth]

The FLOOR is a field object?!?

Bro???? Why.....

[jolly epoch]

some fields are split between multiple GFS files

are you loading all of the associated ones?

[faint plinth]

Usually just Palaces are.

So, no, not yet.

[jolly epoch]

not entirely true

I noticed this just when doing some of my changes

the complex fields are all like that

they don't have a .MAP file, but there are multiple fields

[faint plinth]

Do they all have associated map files, or just multiple sub IDs that need to load?

[solemn zealot]

i have noclipped in shujin before, and they dont have the floors you are not in loaded. is this related to that?

[jolly epoch]

sub IDs

[faint plinth]

Probably related.

I see, I see....

That makes way more sense than the floor being a field object, lmfao.

I think it only loads the 0-indexed sub ID for field models at the moment.

[faint plinth]

OMFG. Based.

[solemn zealot]

okay, no. fake news. there is even collision

[jolly epoch]

try free cam instead of moving joker

just in case

[jolly epoch]

so it does load it all, gotcha

[solemn zealot]

why this screenshot goes so hard

[jolly epoch]

I suggested freecam because sometimes optimization is determined by protagonist position rather than the camera

[faint plinth]

Welp, adding "load all fields matching the sub ID" to the unofficial list of things that need to be done to get fields working in the render.

[jolly epoch]

with the correct offsets

loading them all into blender makes them overlap

:/

in unintended ways

[faint plinth]

...hmmm, if there's not a MAP file, where are those offsets coming from?

[jolly epoch]

skeleton?

I think someone suggested something like that earlier

[faint plinth]

Hmmmmmm.

[jolly epoch]

you mean major ID?

because they share the major ID, but have different sub IDs

iirc

[faint plinth]

Sorry, yeah, I mean all fields with the major/minor ID and whatever sub ID.

[jolly epoch]

👍

[faint plinth]

Well, I assume only if the provided sub ID is zero.

Probably a similar hardcoded logic there to how character outfits get loaded when sub ID is zero.

...if it's from the skeleton, IDK where in the bones it would be....

Like, similar to field objects, but different??

[jolly epoch]

maybe

I don't know much about how fields are loaded

but giving them all the same offset won't work, at least not for all of them

central street is the one I noticed that on

[faint plinth]

Yeah, but I added some logic that I thought handled it 😔 I'll check to see if I can replicate, but I swear I tested this exact case....

[solemn zealot]

on the latest one?

[faint plinth]

(Which is to say, I'm sort of hoping that I just forgor and that this isn't a cross-platform issue where my fix doesn't work on Windows )

A while ago, when I made the command duration responsive.

[solemn zealot]

i still have no idea why powershell is like this...

[solemn zealot]

maybe every copy really is personalized

[jolly epoch]

I switched back to the main branch and updated it

it still happens on my end

[faint plinth]

If you've noticed it at all since being able to visibly increase command duration, then it'll still keep happening, because nothing relevant has changed since then.

I guess I'll test and see if I can reproduce it....

[jolly epoch]

this has been a problem since I first started using EVTUI

[faint plinth]

I am very afraid that it's a platform-specific issue because it always works for me, historically 😭

[jolly epoch]

uh

@faint plinth I'm seeing a lot of copy pasting amongst the different commands

I decided to go ahead and change it just for me, but imma just make a global on my end to make editing the rotation maximums easier

[faint plinth]

...?

[jolly epoch]

like this section here is copy and pasted for every single event command that uses rotations

[faint plinth]

Yes...?

[jolly epoch]

feels like there'd be a better way to do it, but too late now

[faint plinth]

I do vaguely plan to make a rotation widget at some point to prevent that, but it wasn't as useful as having e.g. an animation widget, so I just didn't.

If I make the changes I suggested re: allowing users to specify a number of full rotations, it'd be part of widgetifying it.

I also hesitated to do it for rotations because I wasn't 100% sure if yaw/pitch/roll order was consistent across commands.

(I'm still not 100% sure, tbh.)

[jolly epoch]

I wasn't certain if C# was like Java in that it forced you to use OOP

it does and I hate it now

[faint plinth]

It's basically exactly like Java, tbh.

[jolly epoch]

I hate it

C++ ftw

no garbage collector no problem

https://tenor.com/view/barbie-ryan-gosling-glasses-margot-robbie-handsome-gif-13665100648649288173

but yeah

there's no reason I should absolutely have to store every variable within a class

[faint plinth]

I don't disagree

[jolly epoch]

anyway, I swapped out every rotation max and min with my global variable I made

I just set it to 360 for now

man

can't wait to have to do this again next update 🥲

[faint plinth]

Will it really not be enough if it can take your inputs and convert them automatically? 😅

[jolly epoch]

I just want to make your life difficult

my head's killing me

I haven't even gotten that much done today

[amber moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463784786050416690/1318058115870232667/caption.gif

[solemn zealot]

138_001 (it crashes at the end)

okay... making a msg_ with the same message id and frame length didnt crash, so i went to the .json, copied the new message i did, and substituted the old one, and lo and behold, it loaded properly

there is a value that can crash then

this one doesnt crash for example

seems like this was copypasted from something else but msg_ doesnt use these values. and some wrong values just crash the editor

@faint plinth , the culprit is

{
    "Unknown1": 16256,
    "Unknown2": 0,
    "Unknown3": "NaN"
}

i imagine other messages that were crashing before are similar cases

but i cant remember which ones they were rn

"NaN" in specific

https://github.com/Secre-C/EvtTool using this

must be the string being there... but is it a string before conversion too?

[jolly epoch]

I freaking went to bed early because of this migraine and I just woke up and it's still here

[faint plinth]

Urgh, yeah, there are a few old events where the offsets around these entries under Msg_ are messed up. Hence why you get floats that end up as NaN (i.e., not a number).

I've dug into it to see if it's possible to read them cleanly but I really do think they're just ancient and broken, and the game ignores those parts of the commands. No combination of version and endianness cleans them up.

...but obviously this shouldn't crash the tool if it doesn't crash the game, so I'll see what I can do to prevent it.

(I suspect it's mostly a UI bug re: NaN, since I don't think crashes were happening before I tried to display the entries.)

[solemn zealot]

the queen asserts dominance

btw what's up with palace fields

[faint plinth]

Palace field GFS files are determined by MAP files rather than being referenced directly by the indices provided in the EVT, unlike with overworld fields. (For Palace fields, those indices point to the MAP files, instead.) So they're basically just not gonna work until I get to parsing those MAP files.

[solemn zealot]

[jolly epoch]

idk why they handle it this way

[solemn zealot]

atlus moment or is there a good reason?

[jolly epoch]

.MAP literally doesn't do anything except reference GFS files

there's no reason they couldn't do what they were already doing

[faint plinth]

No idea, tbh, especially since we've confirmed that fields being broken across subfield GFS files are a thing for overworld fields....

I'd say it's for more precise positioning, but that also seems to be a thing subfields are capable of.

Mystery!

[jolly epoch]

I knew about that ever since I did this

[solemn zealot]

[amber moth]

thats a deep cut

[solemn zealot]

no, thats a giant lady

[amber moth]

DDLC is almost 10 years old

[solemn zealot]

holy shit im old

[amber moth]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid4-mgs4-solid-snake-old-snake-becoming-old-gif-24179307

[amber moth]

Do you think you'll contribute that parsing to the 010 template? The template is just broken and doesn't really work.

[jolly epoch]

that's because it's inconsistent

the existing one works for most maps

but there's some weird endian nonsense with some of them that leads to it not working for all of them

[solemn zealot]

why cant the maps be consistent are they stupid

[jolly epoch]

I think it's because p5's engine was originally made for the ps3

so endian nonsense is a result of converting filetypes to work for newer hardware overtime

potentially

that's an assumption since there's a lot more little endian stuff here than in the ps3 version supposedly

why the heck can't visual studio find these projects

this is so annoying

[faint plinth]

IDK that I'll contribute directly, since I can't really test 010 templates myself. But my code could certainly be used as an example to fix the 010 template.

(Once that code exists, to be clear, lol.)

[jolly epoch]

?

[faint plinth]

Linux moment.

[amber moth]

I can test them if you want

[jolly epoch]

there's a lot about atlus filestructures I wouldn't have understood without those templates

how'd you figure it out?

[faint plinth]

I read the templates and recreate them in other ways

So they also help me, but not because I actually use 010.

Also, sometimes I just reverse-engineer things myself or use other repos that parse things to help.

[jolly epoch]

coolio

[faint plinth]

...hmmmm, I think MAP files are actually necessary for subfield positioning. If I just switch the subfield for a Shujin event, the position loads just fine without me having to look inside the GFS for any special info. e.g.,

[jolly epoch]

they straight up don't exist for non-palace fields though

so there's probably something we're missing

[faint plinth]

What I mean is -- we figured that overworld fields were using some other information for positioning, since the positioning wasn't working when you loaded them. But the positioning is loading here just fine.

i.e., if subfields do need additional positioning, a MAP file would be needed to do it. It just is not needed for overworld fields.

[jolly epoch]

keep in mind

it's only some that didn't work properly

when I was adding in the natsuki, all the objects loaded in as they should

for the shujin entrance field

[faint plinth]

Granted, I also don't know how MAP positioning works, given that X/Y/Z are... bytes??

[jolly epoch]

I think I've attempted to change the offsets in the .MAP files before and nothing changed, but you could do your own testing

[solemn zealot]

[solemn zealot]

btw a small thing: Switching from the Scripts tab and going back to it resets the scrolling, even though every other tab keeps the last scroll location. So a particularly long msg/flow can be quite of a pain to mess within the editor if you are constantly switching tabs. hopefully it shouldn't be too hard to store the scrolling in the scripts tab?

also, @faint plinth switching the file in the scripts tab can lag everything real badly

it does eventually get better tho

(been a thing for quite a while i just didnt report it)

[faint plinth]

SpyPigeon flagged that a while ago... it's in the pinned post re: script-related TODOs. I'm afraid this may be a Windows exclusive, so may take me a bit to pin down 😅

[solemn zealot]

i have to remember to read those, but im a persona fan so

[faint plinth]

Some of this stuff is just the specific text editing widget I'm using, which has... both pros and cons, shall we say. So a bit hard to work around.

[solemn zealot]

yeah i imagined

[faint plinth]

Pros: syntax highlighting and line numbers out of the box!

Cons: The lag, even at its best 😔

[solemn zealot]

why does it lag is it stupid

[faint plinth]

Probably I'm not using it optimally, but it acts so differently from other Avalonia bits. Unforch.

[solemn zealot]

custom character models are working perfectly fine so far

[faint plinth]

🤭

Ann's Persona: Sara Bellum from the Powerpuff Girls...

[solemn zealot]

btw the amount of yuri that is about to transpire wouldnt be possible without you

from rank 2 to 10, 1 romance rank, that makes 10 custom events at minimum

minimum

[faint plinth]

Brb, printing out this message and hanging it on my wall next to my diplomas

[solemn zealot]

clearly just as important

[solemn zealot]

the camera can get 'stuck' when changing values and nodes around. in the actual event this is not the actual angle for a good 300ish frames.
deleting further camera nodes and having it be fixed confirms my suspicions. it is taking later camera values as reference if you mess with the initial camera node

seems to be caused by cut and delete. and adding a new csd does not change the renderer. this persist across restarts btw

[faint plinth]

I think CG noticed something similar with model animations. Not super worth digging into vs. actually proceeding to make the renderer responsive + able to show specific frames, but weird.

[solemn zealot]

true it should fix itself then

[faint plinth]

I mean, hopefully 😅

[solemn zealot]

seems to be caused by it stubbornly deciding one node as the initial one even after adding one before it in the timeline, so anything that would have it check the nodes again according to the timeline should fix hopefully

[faint plinth]

I'm pretty sure it's looking at commands in the order they were added rather than in chronological order, so yeah, that makes sense. If you move commands around they'll end up later in the order... although that may be related to the bug with long-duration commands preventing subsequent commands from being clickable

IIRC my fix (that apparently isn't working on every machine for whatever reason) was to reorder the commands in memory but not to reorder them in the lower-level representation... but maybe that's making things more complicated in the long run.

[solemn zealot]

man, just the 'first frame' rendering was all i needed to push this one far

getting an easy preview of camera angles is in fact quite useful

[faint plinth]

Goddamn, I fear what black magic you'll manage when the rendering is actually responsive 😱

[solemn zealot]

frame-perfectly executed shihoann kiss

[faint plinth]

Yuri-tested, yuri-approved: my wife also says this looks really cool and that it's an interesting, meaty Annshiho dynamic 😄

[solemn zealot]

Lets gooo got the wife seal of approval

[faint plinth]

She kept trying to be like "ooh can I watch it after you" and then was baffled when I was still watching like seven minutes later, lmfaooo.

[solemn zealot]

[weary pelican]

[solemn zealot]

what we already have is infinitely better than anything we had before. with the current renderer its feasible to get much more precise coordinates in a reasonable amount of time than before, but that does have quite a bit of friction even aside from that node order bug.
responsive rendering, however...

• would allow me to get very precise camera positions and angles at any second
• would make moving characters around the scene easier, and two characters physically || || interacting with each other way easier
• the first two points can still be done with a first-frame renderer tho. however, what would benefit a lot of responsive rendering is timing. right now, you can only vibes-guess how many frames you need, but with responsive rendering, you can get timing of things in a ridiculously precise level. this is huge for sound effects and character interactions for example

tl;dr: responsive rendering = more better yuri

[faint plinth]

Timing may still take some work even with basic responsiveness in place Like, 30FPS logic is confirmed and all, but some of the finer points aren't totally clear, especially re: model movement and rotation and interpolation and such.

But I'm sure that sort of thing will be easier to pin down over time as we get other things to work correctly.

[solemn zealot]

evts are weird

welp. hopefully this won't be a pain to get working

[faint plinth]

Everything's a pain, but I wouldn't be here if I didn't enjoy the challenge 😄

[solemn zealot]

[faint plinth]

I am honestly fascinated to learn how tf the whole "events follow 30fps logic even in the 60fps version of the game" thing works... especially since Wisteria tested changing the framerate in the EVT header and it DOES have an effect Like are all the apparent frame counts just doubled?? Wild....

[faint plinth]

Oh, I pushed some changes that should in theory fix the crashes on old borked Msg_s (and crashing upon opening command editors in general) -- as well as normalizing angles rather than clipping them.

Relatedly, why the hell does % mean remainder and not actual modulo in C#

[jolly epoch]

the ps4 version of p5r was locked at 30 fps wasn't it?

but it's not that odd tbh, I think more frames just means smoother animations since it has more room for interpolation

but most 3d games don't really animate models beyond 30 fps from what I've seen

maybe some do nowadays, but not with the stuff I've seen before

[faint plinth]

What I mean is -- the game is supposedly at 60fps on PC, but event logic still functions at 30fps. So I don't know how the frame counts translate. I'm assuming it's not a weird case where events alone are back in actual 30fps, lmao.

[jolly epoch]

and as I said, it's probably not that different from how other engines do it

the "framerate" is probably more like a tickrate in this case

so that it can match up with whatever framerate you actually play the game at

[faint plinth]

It certainly is. But the relation to the game's actual framerate is unclear.

[jolly epoch]

timelines can be controlled with graph logic in blender, it's probably the same for most 3d engines imo

[faint plinth]

Like, when Wisteria increased the EVT "framerate" by enough, the game broke.

[jolly epoch]

that's not very surprising lol

[faint plinth]

Which implies to me that we're still at least somewhat beholden to actual framerate, if indirectly.

[jolly epoch]

if the actual event timeline system is designed for 30 fps/tps, and they never differ from that, then it's likely that the math they used for it expects around 30 fps

or tps, I mean

it's just weird that they call it fps ig

since that wouldn't really be accurate

if it were, you'd expect 60 fps to make events play at double speed

it's also possible that they modified the engine's logic and it actually did used to use frame counts instead of tick counts

but had to update it for the remaster since it would be on hardware that could do 60 fps or more

so they locked the events at a 30 fps timeline and just included new logic to make sure it doesn't look weird at higher frame counts

I think it's pretty common for console exclusives, at least in the past, to base all their timings on frame counters since then they could easily just cap the framerate

and even some PC releases base some logic on frames rather than ticks

like Doom Eternal's meat hook acceleration is based on frames rather than ticks

as a result, playing the game on lower settings and then using the weapon wheel can result in you gaining a lot of speed using the meathook

[faint plinth]

Lmao, yeah. It'll just be interesting to piece together what the actual logic is for P5R, which I'm sure will be a fun and cursed combination of things no matter what.

[jolly epoch]

probably

it's probably not 100% precise either

considering they clearly didn't rewrite the way event timelines work, I imagine if you were to play the game on like 1000 fps somehow, that'd also cause some goofy results

game caps your framerate based on your display's refresh rate though so I doubt that'd be easy to test

even if you set it to 120, if your monitor is only 60hz it'll only go up to 60

I know this because I have a 60hz display lol

I really need to upgrade to like 144hz at some point

actually

it's cyber monday

let me check prices

[rocky kelp]

@faint plinth i'm getting the bmd's not saving issue again, and there's no stray .msg files in the directory at all :/

yes, i am compiling before i save

rip my progress...

[faint plinth]

Noooo 😭

Is it the CPK directory name?

[rocky kelp]

possibly

they are unique

[faint plinth]

That's it, then.

Custom CPK directory names do wack stuff combined with emu at the moment. (It's in the pinned post as a TODO.)

[rocky kelp]

no bmd emulator

i have it set to raw files

i was dependent on evtui because scriptgui stopped letting me drag files for some reason

just wine things

[faint plinth]

Or rename the CPK dir

[rocky kelp]

but organization

[faint plinth]

(Temporarily, lol)

[rocky kelp]

don't mind me just trying to build script gui with your patched script tools...

[faint plinth]

I mean, if that works, all the better 😄

[jolly epoch]

that's what I'm doing

once I get to a release phase for my mod, Imma change the directory names and move stuff around for the sake of my config

[rocky kelp]

damn it shrinefox io

[faint plinth]

I want to resolve the CPK dir jank so bad, but it's nontrivial and the rendering calls

[jolly epoch]

sadge

so even if you were to change the names of the folders it auto-creates, you'd still have to update every other instance where it looks for that directory?

to some variable that stores a custom directory name, anyway

[faint plinth]

The jank mostly just pertains to BF/BMD emu stuff.

[rocky kelp]

couldn't build gfd studio either, rip

[jolly epoch]

ah right

[faint plinth]

Things get weird with the empty files, basically.

[jolly epoch]

yeah I remember that

[rocky kelp]

again, not bmd emulator 🥲

[jolly epoch]

well putting the emulators aside

[rocky kelp]

oh wtf?

[faint plinth]

[jolly epoch]

would it be possible for you to add a feature that allows you to set custom CPK directory names? @faint plinth

[rocky kelp]

oh nvm

[rocky kelp]

i'm not using bmd emulator

[jolly epoch]

ideally per event

or maybe some group system

[faint plinth]

That's what I mean by removing the jank. I want that very much, but it's like... boring nontrivial pipeline work I have yet to dig into.

[jolly epoch]

granted QoL comes after functionality, so I wouldn't expect you to do it yet

also

[faint plinth]

Oh wait, I see... hm. I'd expect it to work, then. Welp....

[jolly epoch]

if my SDL experiment goes well

since you understand events better than anyone, I kinda do wanna try to make an in-game event editor

I might ask for your help with making it

[rocky kelp]

is there a way to see it logging what it's writing

[jolly epoch]

since SDL hooks going well, with me figuring out how to read and write information in the game from a custom UI, would make this much more feasible

[faint plinth]

I don't think it logs that at the moment, but it definitely should.

Oh, wait, is it an original event?

[rocky kelp]

i remember you said that it wasn't writing because of the msg files in the directory alongside the bmd, but there is none i removed them

correct

[faint plinth]

That's also known not to work. In the pinned post, as well.

[jolly epoch]

@faint plinth, custom events work fine if you don't use the emulators

[rocky kelp]

well

[jolly epoch]

remember me creating the custom Hawaii event for Sumi? I had no trouble with that outside of using the emulators

which I ended up ditching and it was fine

[faint plinth]

BMD stuff gets weird if you've got a custom event and CPK directory, I think.

[jolly epoch]

fair

but all you really have to do is copy any BMD and put it in the right directory with the right name

and BF

[faint plinth]

It's all tangled, lol, idfk. In theory when I manage to fix it it'll all get fixed at once because it just needs an overhaul.

[jolly epoch]

then you can edit it just fine

that's what I did

I just copied over Hifumi's, deleted everything, and rewrote it

[faint plinth]

Idk why poor raven is cursed here, rip.

[jolly epoch]

seems to be an issue building GFD and AST?

idk

[faint plinth]

No, they're trying to do that separately because of the issues the tool has with not saving scripts as expected.

[jolly epoch]

ah

[rocky kelp]

yeah and my script gui is fucked

[jolly epoch]

yikes

[rocky kelp]

because wine

because it uses net 4.8...

[jolly epoch]

have you tried proton?

[rocky kelp]

lemme see

[jolly epoch]

unironically, proton might work better lol

or even proton GE

[rocky kelp]

it will default to ge since all my prefizxes are ge

[jolly epoch]

gotcha

[rocky kelp]

GE just alters the prefixes not the protontricks application itself

[jolly epoch]

afaik, wine's way behind proton in terms of compatibility, even if proton is built on wine

[rocky kelp]

i just don't like using proton because it requires me to use a steam game's prefix

with wine i can just double click an application and it'll open

[jolly epoch]

you can add a non-steam application as an app on steam and then set it to use proton GE

[rocky kelp]

nope it's still not letting me drag and drop

[jolly epoch]

sure you still have to boot it from steam, but if you use steam enough that's a non-issue

you can browse

[rocky kelp]

well i'd still have to select the prefix. i like double clicking and it opening automatically bc i'm lazy

what happened to him

[jolly epoch]

he's just goofy

[rocky kelp]

doesn't know if it's light or dark mode

[jolly epoch]

yes

does it work?

[rocky kelp]

nope

it still won't let me drag and drop

[jolly epoch]

darn

[rocky kelp]

didn't work even when i named the directory en.cpk

[faint plinth]

You are cursed 😔

[jolly epoch]

true

[rocky kelp]

rip

wait

[faint plinth]

Transparency/logging re: what's actually getting saved and where would help here, though.

[rocky kelp]

could it be that it's because it's in lowercase

like it's .bmd not .BMD

[faint plinth]

Oh, that can sometimes have an effect.

[rocky kelp]

let's try

[faint plinth]

Windows pathing and thereby apps that are built for that expecting case-insensitivity... my nemesis....

[rocky kelp]

yep that was it

case sensitivity...

[faint plinth]

Yeahhhh 😔

[rocky kelp]

normally i'd put them in uppercase but all of gay joker's file extensions are in lowercase

[faint plinth]

I've been really struggling to get case sensitivity to behave cross-platform. I'm sure there's some obvious way I'm missing that isn't just "be on windows" or "do recursive regex filesearch"

[rocky kelp]

that's funky...

oh the sound of the door opening plays first

[faint plinth]

Okay, I thiiiink I fixed this with the changes I just pushed. (Basically: if you moved the new MAB_ command around at all, I think it might have suddenly worked, lol. But I was doing the command sorting that fixes this only when a command moves, not actually when one is added.)

[solemn zealot]

will try when i can

[solemn zealot]

its working that and the first frame rendering thing

i wish you a very gay day

[solemn zealot]

i hate mla_s holy shit

they are pure jank

[rocky kelp]

what exactly is a gay day? you go around kissing the same gender?

[solemn zealot]

perchance

ajda, do you know?

[faint plinth]

Every day is a gay day in my house 🙂‍↕️

[weary pelican]

Lucky

[amber moth]

Gay used to mean happy

[rocky kelp]

i know

[amber moth]

not true

[weary pelican]

Did you know 👀

[rocky kelp]

i did

i was makeing a joker

a joke

i'm so used to typing joker

[weary pelican]

I mean Cross

[rocky kelp]

that's a fun nickname

i've just been using cg

[amber moth]

yes

[weary pelican]

Hmmmm

[amber moth]

the redux team all use cross

[rocky kelp]

cross what art thou pronouns

[amber moth]

guy

[rocky kelp]

guy

guy/guy

[amber moth]

guy/guys

[solemn zealot]

im so jealous

[solemn zealot]

im going insane how tf do i get these dumbasses to nod properly and not just tweak their heads at the speed of light

[faint plinth]

You may need to switch it to coordinate mode, set wherever they were looking at before, and then switch it back to nodding. The way the coordinates come into play no matter which MLa_ mode is active is confusing and something I still need to figure out....

[solemn zealot]

well it works now

[faint plinth]

I should really just make coordinates visible in all modes until I figure out whether/how they get set automatically in other modes....

[solemn zealot]

🙂‍↕️

[solemn zealot]

...a "you have unsaved changes. you sure?"-type prompt when closing the thing would be nice

[faint plinth]

It would... but that would also require a way to detect said changes, which doesn't have an obvious implementation. I do agree, though, so I'll think about that as I work on the general/vague More Intuitive Compiling/Saving task (which I am currently).

[mellow gazelle]

simpler to just have it always appear tbh lol

[solemn zealot]

'are you sure you didnt missclick, dumbass?' prompt would def be useful too

[faint plinth]

Lmao, real. Work smarter, not harder.

[amber moth]

and make it appear 50 times just to make sure

[solemn zealot]

you need to do a captcha every time to close

[faint plinth]

Just a "do you want to save before closing?" popup might be nice. 50 times, yes

Sigh, even then, I have been avoiding this file management overhaul work for like a full year now. But I think I can no longer avoid it re: more intuitive saving....

Simply necessary to de-jankify script stuff

[amber moth]

if you think about it, render view could help you avoid it more

[faint plinth]

That's the problem 😅

Render view would also benefit from it, though 😔😔😔

So characters stop randomly appearing in their winter fits in summer events and such, lolll.

[solemn zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-holding-flower-gif-5334994179370395420

have a motivational dog

[solemn zealot]

just like me fr

[amber moth]

99% of gamblers fix tech debt before it becomes a problem

[solemn zealot]

[solemn zealot]

so, when copying, it references the node instead of saving a 'copy' to the program's clipboard?

deleting is fine tho... i'm confused

[faint plinth]

Shallow copy moment 😅

I thought it was a deep copy, but seems like I missed a thing or two 🤔

[toxic marsh]

you missed the list inside a list inside a list inside a list

isn't there a function like python copy.deepcopy in C#?

[faint plinth]

There definitely is, but there are a few separate objects associated with each command, and it's possible I missed deepcopying one of them.

[faint plinth]

Just to check: if you change any of the command-specific values, like message ID or whathaveyou, does that end up affecting all copies, or just the one you edited?

[solemn zealot]

message id does use the new value on the original node on a new paste as well

so far everything i tried has the same behavior

[faint plinth]

I mean if you change the value after copypasting.

[solemn zealot]

oh no, the value doesnt update

[faint plinth]

Okay, so... weird.

[solemn zealot]

its only when pasting

[faint plinth]

OH WAIT, I see.

So the copy isn't shallow, but yeah, the copied reference is just a pointer.

That's much more expected, albeit unintuitive.

Hm, so maybe I need to do the deepcopy earlier.

[solemn zealot]

yeah thats what i was speculating. i was just a bit confused how pasting from a copy of a deleted node didnt have an issue (and even used the last information since it was deleted).

[faint plinth]

The reference still exists in the clipboard, so all the info remains.

Sounds like the clipboard needs to hold a deepcopy rather than a shallow copy, though, instead of doing a deepcopy upon pasting.

[solemn zealot]

oh yeah i just remembered of something else
clearing frames does not seem to properly delete the nodes. if i clear for example the middle of the evt, then add more frames, and then save: in the editor, everything looks normal... a bunch of empty space caused by clearing the frames that contained nodes, and then adding new frames back in. but when booting the game, you notice that the event is doing stuff that it shouldn't, and when you reopen the evt, you realize that the old nodes stuck around on the added frames that they used to be in

idk if i explained correctly

[faint plinth]

Ooh, I see. I'll see if I can fix both of these in a single PR.

[rocky kelp]

for some reason previewing ryuji's animations is just... not working?

0 comes up as his t-pose and the rest are just blank

when i cycle through then go back to 0, now 0 is blank

[solemn zealot]

what's his base animations id?

because most get kinda wack if not 1

[rocky kelp]

er where would i find that

[solemn zealot]

Assets

Ryuji has character id of 2

[solemn zealot]

yeah these values for some reason get very weird

[rocky kelp]

whyyy

i just didn't add an ryuji animations. he is still

[solemn zealot]

have you seen it ingame?

[rocky kelp]

bruh why is my game shitting itself

[solemn zealot]

it generally works normally ingame

[rocky kelp]

i can't because for soome reason my screen goes black when i click test field

[solemn zealot]

is your screen stupid

[rocky kelp]

sometimes this happens because dxvk likes to shit itself

[faint plinth]

This is the issue where the game references a GAP that doesn't exist and is actually using that ID + 30. It's fixed for the renderer (you're looking at a scene where he starts out offscreen), but I haven't done the fix for the previews yet.

[faint plinth]

If you set it from 6 to 36 it should Just Work, in theory.

[rocky kelp]

yep

[rocky kelp]

it's fine i only added a bit of dialogue. he will just stand there

dialogue in question

[rocky kelp]

nvm reloaded corrupted my prefix again </3 (i should report this, probably)

[rocky kelp]

they're so awakward just standing here... but i'm too lazy to do any work

[rocky kelp]

i'd say it's pretty smooth

ok enough of this event

[faint plinth]

I really love how much the wave of event editing right now is generally agreed on the "kinda clueless but ultimately well-meaning ally" Ryuji of it all

[rocky kelp]

he's an idiot not a bigot

[ocean acorn]

as it should be

[solemn zealot]

ryuji's ageist tho

[jolly panther]

not to be dramatic but this gave me chills lowkey 😭 I feel like this makes Ann's arc 10x better

[solemn zealot]

thank you a lot. this makes me so happy to hear
cough cough #1440097821834612838 cough cough

[jolly panther]

Omg there's so many great developments Im not even aware of!! For sure gonna keep this thread open 👀

[jolly panther]

Also, is it okay to ask questions in here for EVTUI or should I make a thread for that?

[solemn zealot]

probably here? seems more convenient

[faint plinth]

Most folks just ask here, since it'll just be me answering anyway, lol. But if you feel like something would be better suited to a thread, that's also totally fine. I don't think there's a wrong choice, really.

[jolly panther]

Okay! Great, Ill just ask here then. Im so bad at explaining so please forgive me if I word this in a confusing way...Im basically trying to figure out how to add in a new message between two existing ones. Like I would have to rename all the message numbers in adjustment, add those slots into msg.h, and then add them into the timeline by adding the msg then selecting the correct one in the drop down right? The thing is I cannot find my edited message there.

Sorry if that was confusing!

[faint plinth]

One issue you may be running into is that the tool's ability to find scripts with different path names is... a little broken at the moment 😅

However, if there are no existing mod edits to this event, it should be fine, just a multi-step process.

[solemn zealot]

i think the actual name of the message only matters on the initials like MSG_ MND_ DVL_ right? the numbers do anything if referencing the id and not the order?

[faint plinth]

Basically: Add your new messages to the end of the .msg, or even in between other existing ones. The specific ordering and numbers don't matter as long as they don't overlap existing ones, but the message names do need to match the naming pattern! (Otherwise, you can use MsgR to just point to the index of the new one.)

But, crucially, you do need to press the Compile button after you've made your changes in the script tab for the new content to show up in the timeline.

[solemn zealot]

example

[faint plinth]

No need to touch msg.h. It doesn't do anything, lol.

[solemn zealot]

man i suck at using obs

[jolly panther]

ooooh! Wow I learned so much right now, thank you!

[solemn zealot]

you can generally add stuff inbetween, but if something references a message by index, then that fecks everything up

for most events should be fine tho

[solemn zealot]

the message in the msg file, not the nodes you see in the editor* (for clarification)

[jolly panther]

Thank you! But what does referencing a message by index mean?

[jolly panther]

Okay Im gonna try it now!

[solemn zealot]

the MsgR node. Also, in flowscripts when you call a message with a number instead of its name

[ocean acorn]

all messages have a numerical index as well as a name and can be called by one or the other
most events call by label which is good because theres not currently a way to force a message to have a specific index with script tools (meaning multiple mods adding messages can be a problem in cases where you need to call by index)

[faint plinth]

True, the name is more stable. It just requires your message to have the right pattern of name, but going by the game's own examples it should be easy to do so.

(Also going by the video above, which is an excellent little tutorial 😄)

[jolly panther]

I see! Thank you both for explaining. I dont think Im dealing with the number versions thankfully.

[faint plinth]

Looking closer, I'm actually surprised this works without matching the full major/minor/sub ID underscoring in the name pattern... I wonder what the game would do with this 🤔

(Possibly I need to be stricter about which names are allowed to display, since some may not work and it'd be misleading to show them.)

[solemn zealot]

it works in flowscripts at least

feck it i'll test it

[faint plinth]

It might just select MSG_000_0_0 or whatever under the hood, tbh. ("It" being EVTUI here. The name has to be parsed back into major/minor/sub ID for the actual command in the EVT.)

The string selection of message names here is a bit of smoke and mirrors 😅

[ocean acorn]

can messages in bfs actually be called directly by the evt normally
jazz club handles that stuff in the bf and then i guess calls the procedure by scr_ command

[faint plinth]

I think they can only be called via Scr_.

[solemn zealot]

at least its like this in the program

[faint plinth]

Yeah, that makes sense. It can find that message but not actually parse it. I should fix that! (Which means this message would not actually show up in the list.)

[solemn zealot]

oh so that show this works

in flowscripts you can just return any name, but evts seem different

[jolly panther]

Wait this is actually what Im struggling with! When I click out it reverts back to blank even after I clicked my message

[solemn zealot]

yeah give it some unique id that follows the pattern

[faint plinth]

Yeah, it actually constructs the name out of the major/minor/sub IDs.

So it needs to be like MSG_420_6_9 to actually get parsed properly.

I will definitely add that constraint to the Msg_ display to be less misleading.

[solemn zealot]

so this just work in its own unique way

[faint plinth]

Yep!

[solemn zealot]

morgana would never say sh*t

[faint plinth]

Fortunately, you can at least tell whether it's going to work based on closing and reopening the Msg_ editor to see whether your selection sticks. Still annoying, but....

[faint plinth]

Ah, hm!

[jolly panther]

Wait so I named it 39? To be fair! This is a mod that Im editing so maybe thats why?

[faint plinth]

I think you need to get rid of one of the zeroes.

[solemn zealot]

im not sure 4 digits work yeah

[faint plinth]

So MSG_039_0_0 should work.

[jolly panther]

omg I didnt even realize that

[faint plinth]

Maybe I will add a constraint so incorrect patterns can't be selected, plus a little ℹ️ icon next to the name selection to explain what the pattern is.

[jolly panther]

Thank you !! I can be silly and miss things people would normally get immediately

[faint plinth]

No worries -- it's not obvious or documented!

[jolly panther]

and like magic she's working!

[solemn zealot]

okay but whats the benefit for atlas in doing the ids this way specifically for evts

[faint plinth]

Lmao, I have no idea what the benefit is. I guess to give a way to make the specification not sensitive to message order, within the constraint of not having strings in commands.

But like... there are strings in EVTs. So I really don't see why they couldn't have one here....

[ocean acorn]

he does it once when quoting ryuji
lmao

[solemn zealot]

noooooo

[rocky kelp]

oh yeah I remember that

[jolly panther]

I got an infinite loading screen... I guess because I saved all and still had jokers models loaded...

[faint plinth]

That wouldn't save Joker's models or anything. So it's probably something with the msg or mod structure.

"Save all" just saves the EVT, ECS, BMD, and BF files related to the event.

[solemn zealot]

does clicking the wrench print out any errors on the window below?

[jolly panther]

No not that I see

Maybe I spaced the msgs out weirdly or something?

[faint plinth]

I wouldn't think that would lead to an infinite loading screen 🤔

What do your added messages look like?

[jolly panther]

oh could it be because I didnt tick these options? I notice some of the others have them on

[jolly panther]

Theres like 3 msgs from NPCs and then 1 more thought bubble

[solemn zealot]

these boxes dont cause this

[faint plinth]

I also wouldn't expect that to be the issue, no.

[solemn zealot]

at least not the lack of marking them does

man english is hard

[faint plinth]

What do the messages you added into the BMD look like, I mean?

I wonder if it's something with voicelines or bustups.

[jolly panther]

Oh in the script?

[faint plinth]

Or with BMD emulation something-or-other.

Yep, the script!

[jolly panther]

Actually I did edit a voiceline

[solemn zealot]

show the lines

[jolly panther]

Sorry the new ones or just the whole thing pasted in?

[faint plinth]

The new ones should be enough.

[solemn zealot]

anything that was changed

[jolly panther]

[msg MSG_008_0_0 [Fad-Following Woman]]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 6 0]You really dont know? Akechi-kun. You know,[n]the next-generation Detective Prince...?[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 6 0]Should we ask him for an autograph?[n]Would be worth bragging about[n]on the fansite...[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 6 0]And who's that with him?[n]Do you think she's his girlfriend...?[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_039_0_0 [Forgetful Woman]]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 5 0]...It certainly looks like a[n]date, doesnt it...?[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 5 0]...Hey![n]Are you pouting?[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[sel SEL_010_0_0 top]
[s][f 0 8 2 1 2217]I didnt realize you're so popular..[clr 27][e]
[s]I know the feeling.[e]
[s]Should we tell them to leave us alone?[e]

[msg MSG_011_0_0 [Akechi]]
[s][bup 0 9 0 65535 0][f 4 10 65535 0 0][coop 9 10 9][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]I don't understand how, to be honest.[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]
[s][f 4 10 65535 0 0][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]I'm sure she doesn't mean any harm,[n]but I don't want to cause any trouble[n]for the store.[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]
[s][f 4 10 65535 0 0][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]Rumors could start about us as well[n]if we are not careful...[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_012_0_0 [Akechi]]
[s][bup 0 9 0 65535 0][f 4 10 65535 0 0][coop 9 5 9][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]Is that so? At least, you're better[n]at blending in than me.[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]
[s][bup 0 9 0 65535 0][f 4 10 65535 0 0][coop 9 5 9][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]Hopefully no one else notices,[n]it would be a bit of a problem if...[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_015_0_0 [Gossipy Woman]]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 16 0]Wait! gasp You guys, is that Goro Akechi!?[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 16 0]Quick, take a picture![n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_028_0_0 [Fad-Following Woman]]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 6 0]Aww! If he was the real thing, I could've[n]bragged about meeting him online.[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_040_0_0 [Forgetful Woman]]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 5 0]Seriously? You need to get off that fansite.[n]It's all you talk about lately![n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_037_0_0 [Akechi]]
[s][bup 0 9 0 65535 0][f 4 10 65535 0 0][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]Looks like our coffee's gone cold. Why[n]don't we order new ones?[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]
[s][bup 0 9 0 65535 0][f 4 10 65535 0 0][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]My treat.[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_038_0_0 [Akechi]]
[s][vp 8 2 0 54422 65535 0]Here, let me walk you to the station.[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MND_041_0_0]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]Akech-san and I chatted[n]on our way back...[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]...[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]I noticed we received many[n]looks from people...[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

omg that was a lot 😅 please dont judge my writing...!

But that should be everything I changed

[solemn zealot]

not related to the error, but just pointing out the missing i

[jolly panther]

omg thank you!

[faint plinth]

Well, nothing looks structurally wrong here. How did you place the Msg_s in the timeline, then?

Possibly you did put them too close together

[solemn zealot]

the text itself doesnt look like the issue. it compiles fine and the event loads normally

[jolly panther]

Like roughly this apart?

Maybe I made it too long? I did insert quite a few keyframes

[solemn zealot]

i dont think msg_ spacing ever caused any issues for me

[faint plinth]

Might also be the Scr_ happening during the message.

Can you share the .EVT and .BMD (or .msg) directly so we can look through them? Or just the .EVT, since you already shared the new script content.

[jolly panther]

Im sorry, Im so new to this! I really appreciate you guys helping. Hopefully its not something simple Im missing.

[jolly panther]

Yes, let me grab it

[faint plinth]

It's very possible it's also something the tool is doing! And even if it isn't, it's helpful to know what common pitfalls are so we can possibly add failsafes around them 🙂

Everyone is new to EVT editing, lol. Doing it in any detail is a pretty new art, relative to P5 modding generally.

[rocky kelp]

girlkisser does black magic

[jolly panther]

Thank you for being so gracious! Its really appreciated 🩷 Here is the event:

(fingers crossed its not something silly)

[rocky kelp]

I am still amazed how quickly she picked it up and managed to make such realistic events

[solemn zealot]

the power of yuri compels me

[jolly panther]

omg I saw their ann's shadow-self video and it was sooo good

I never thought of Shiho x Ann but now I need to see their dynamic

[rocky kelp]

it's the only Ann ship I really like

[weary pelican]

So true

[solemn zealot]

the moment the render is out i'll do a closeup of an annshiho kiss as a tech demo

[jolly panther]

I saw that they kiss!

It makes me happy, I really like Shiho and felt bad she got pushed out the story

[faint plinth]

To be clear re: the changes: did you change the ones that match existing messages + add new entries for the ones that don't? As opposed to adding new messages with the same IDs as old ones.

[jolly panther]

I copied the message from the person I wanted and then changed the message number and the content of the message, and for some of them I added a new line?

Idk if that makes sense

[faint plinth]

So for this one:

[s][vp 8 0 0 0 6 0]You really dont know? Akechi-kun. You know,[n]the next-generation Detective Prince...?[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 6 0]Should we ask him for an autograph?[n]Would be worth bragging about[n]on the fansite...[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 6 0]And who's that with him?[n]Do you think she's his girlfriend...?[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]```
...is the original message still in the BMD, in addition to the new one you made here...?

I guess I should just ask for the BMD or msg itself at this point, lol.

[jolly panther]

This is an original one that I edited

I'm pretty sure

[jolly panther]

I can send it, one sec!

[faint plinth]

These seem to be just the vanilla BMD/msg files.

[jolly panther]

Oh Im sorry! You wanted my edited ones or the original one?

[faint plinth]

The edited ones!

[jolly panther]

aaah sorry! let me grab those

This is so weird its not letting them send...

[faint plinth]

[jolly panther]

I can send other files but not these ones.

[faint plinth]

Weird!

[jolly panther]

Thats probably why it isnt working in the application either...Let me try again making a new bmd from evtui

[faint plinth]

Well, my other guesses:

• A lot of your messages have longer durations unnecessarily, since you copy/pasted them from other longer ones. You could probably shorten them to 1 frame under Frame Settings. I wouldn't necessarily expect that to be the issue, though.
• There are a few spots where you've only partially shifted things, so Msg_ commands have Scr_ commands running in the middle of them. This could possibly break things....

It's also possible that the partial shift is an issue with the tool's frame-adding, but that's the main thing I'm noticing.

[jolly panther]

Hmm, maybe the scr thing is the issue? It seems my edited file doesnt want to work or upload for whatever reason.

[faint plinth]

My recommendation: try loading the game/event with only the script modded, without the modded EVT, to confirm whether the issue is there or in the EVT.

[jolly panther]

Thats a good idea

[faint plinth]

That should help us narrow it down, at least.

[jolly panther]

No it seems to load with the vanilla (well the original modded version)

[faint plinth]

So with your modded BMD, but without your modded EVT, it loads fine, and plays your modded versions of e.g. MSG_008_0_0?

[jolly panther]

No no sorry. The original file was from the mod R&V. That on its own plays fine without any of my edits.

[faint plinth]

Okay, what if you include your edited BMD, but not the edited EVT?

[jolly panther]

Actually I think I only tried it without the edited EVT...

[faint plinth]

Oh, hmmm. So then it probably is a BMD issue?

....oh, also, it looks like R&V also edits this event. So possibly that's the issue!

[jolly panther]

Oh!! Wait Im sorry I thought I said that

[faint plinth]

I think you did! I'm sort of going through all the possible issues, haha.

So, the """vanilla""" R&V version works. If you've just been editing the BMD (or only trying to load the game with those edits, rather), then the issue could be something with the contents of the edits... or it could be how you've structured your mods relative to R&V.

[jolly panther]

Humm...I dont really know. I deleted the other version in the folder and just dropped them into where they were for R&V.

I think you are probably right that something is wrong with the contents of the bmd because they wont even upload to discord 😭 Like Idk what I did there lol

[faint plinth]

No idea what would happen that would also prevent it from being uploaded to Discord 😅

Even the .msg version of your modded BMD won't upload?

[jolly panther]

Oh yeah I guess so

Just not the .bmd

[faint plinth]

Looks reasonable at a glance, hmmm....

If this is specifically an issue with loading a custom BMD on top of R&V, it may be worth asking in that thread, too. But I'll dig and see if I can find anything.

[jolly panther]

Yeah I think Im going to do a simple test message edit and see if that works first

[faint plinth]

Good idea

[jolly panther]

But that is a good idea! Ill open a thread about it then too. Thank you so much for all your help and trying your best, you didnt have to do that and it was super nice of you 🩷

[faint plinth]

Hmmmm, question: if you Cut a command, then modify it, and then Paste it... would you still expect the same behavior? As in, you expect copy/paste to mean the pasted version matches the command at the time of copying, not at the time of pasting. But is this also true of cut/paste?

It's kind of a weird edge case, because I have a hard time imagining what someone expects if they modify something in-between cutting and pasting it, but....

[ocean acorn]

how would you even edit between cut and paste

[faint plinth]

The original is still there until you paste. Only then does it get deleted.

I suppose I could have it get deleted when it's Cut rather than when it's Pasted, but that's not a thing with consistent behavior IME. Like, cut text tends to disappear when you cut it, but a cut file/folder in a GUI tends to stick around until it's pasted somewhere.

So the latter makes more sense to me as a similar feature... but then it does leave this weird edge case of being able to edit it between cut and paste.

...and at least on Ubuntu, a cut/pasted file that gets modified in-between does seem to paste in its modified state....

So IDK. I'll do whatever seems intuitive here. But that's not obvious.

...copy/pasting files and folders also pastes the version as it was modified in-between copying and pasting. Soooo, I super don't know. Does copy/pasting commands feel more like copy/pasting text, or copy/pasting files? 😵‍💫

[harsh carbon]

I feel like with just about any software I've ever used that's meant for creating/editing files cut works just the same as with text and tbh i think the way it's handled with text is how it's actually meant to work (since after all you are cutting the selected portion and pasting it somewhere else) certainly would be my expectation going in

[faint plinth]

Yeah, I can see that 🤔

As long as deleting upon cutting wouldn't be annoying, I'm fine with doing it that way.

[faint plinth]

Okie doke, fixed the commands-not-actually-getting-deleted-upon-clearing-frames issue. Also made copy/cut/paste a bit more intuitive, hopefully -- the copied version won't reflect any modifications that happen to the original command after the fact, and cut commands are deleted from their original spot immediately rather than waiting until you paste them.

[jolly epoch]

is it in the repo?

since that would be useful for me

the event I did where Ann ignored Kamoshida was made a bit weirder due to that issue

[faint plinth]

Yep, it's pushed!

[jolly epoch]

weird

I got an error saying it didn't exist but now it's working

[ocean acorn]

tries to preview an anim
crashes
ok

lmao

[solemn zealot]

[ocean acorn]

is there a way i can like. move the preview, or...