EVTUI (Visual event editing tool)

[jolly epoch]

and I could just read the hex data and convert it to base 10 to get the number

so

the field thing is indeed where the error occurs

but swapping the endianness actually does still let me read enough to see the actual value

[faint plinth]

Okay, hm....

m051_039
    fldLayoutOfModel_major = 51
    fldLayoutOfModel_minor = 39
    fldLayoutOfModel_animNo = 0
    fldLayoutOfModel_animLoop = 0
    fldLayoutOfModel_animRandom = 0
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_spring = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_summer = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_autumn = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_winter = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_fine = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_rain = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_cloud = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_snow = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_steadyrain = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_squall = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_typhoon = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_asa = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_gozen = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_hiruyasumi = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_gogo = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_houkago = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_yoru = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_shinya = 1
    fldLayoutOfModel_if_preseason = 0
    fldLayoutOfModel_resId = 23
    fldLayoutOfModel_CullId = 2

[jolly epoch]

with the regular bt file, these numbers are way inflated

but swapping the endianness fixed it

this is D151_004

which is a template I was experimenting with yesterday with .FEL

[faint plinth]

This is the node for the map object, I think. fldLayoutOfModel_resId = 23 in F051_040_00.GFS....

[faint plinth]

It half-fixes it. There is still an error in how it's read.

So, resID 23 -> 1623 somehow...?

I don't knooooow 😭

[jolly epoch]

I meant fixes the major and minor id which is all I really wanted

if I want to make my own custom maps then I'll just copy from one that already works

[solemn zealot]

still heavy WIP but i'm getting there

[rocky kelp]

OOOH are you gonna make them do their second awakenings themselves instead of rank 10?

[solemn zealot]

no. this is too early for second awakening

[rocky kelp]

then I remain confused lol

[solemn zealot]

i hate cameras

[jolly epoch]

blender

just get the coords and rotation using blender

[solemn zealot]

[jolly epoch]

it's genuinely the easiest way to handle that stuff rn lol

until ajda finishes the renderer and potentially even after that

[faint plinth]

OK, does anyone have any idea how field object resource handles are actually defined?? Like we know how to use them in flow and EVT commands, and they get referenced in OBLs and such, but where is it actually determined that e.g. that map object has reshnd 1623?

The closest I can find is a node in the field GFS that says its resID is 23, and it points to the right model IDs and everything, but that's almost more confusing. Where is that handle defined, and how does it get 1623 from 23 😭

I may make a help thread at this point, because I'm completely baffled.

[solemn zealot]

i think the help thread would be best

[solemn zealot]

ryuji this is supposed to be an emotional moment can you not fly at mach speeds

[faint plinth]

On his way to help at a pace never before seen.

[solemn zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-running-gif-16808675704457010778

after i finish this i still have to give hecate animations... that'll be fun

oh and the event after this one

[solemn zealot]

btw, in the text editor i can't type characters that use alt like — (em dash, alt + 0151 in the numpad). this is fine enough, i can just type anywhere else and copypaste. just wanted to let you know. when i spammed that command, i got uh... fw×w¿¿7¿¯o¯. the result also seems dependant on the character next to it when i do it. so weird

[faint plinth]

Weird... I wonder if it's related to this: https://github.com/AvaloniaUI/Avalonia/issues/15938

(It almost certainly is that, because the version EVTUI uses is in the affected range....)

[solemn zealot]

just a bit more left... of the first draft

goddammit i uploaded the 70mb version. oh well

[ocean acorn]

at 2:22 you accidentally use the word "bed" twice

[solemn zealot]

i will never recover

(thanks)

[ocean acorn]

||shadow character fights ||

[jolly epoch]

how I feel when people criticize my fanfics

:)

tbh people seem almost afraid to actually critique fanfics

and the ones who do don't generally have a good point

[ocean acorn]

i think the cultural expectation is that its rude to concrit if the writer hasnt first indicated theyre open to concrit

[faint plinth]

Fanfic culture makes unsolicited critique taboo

[jolly epoch]

yeah but even in fanfic discords when I talk about how to please the audience I get a lot of responses like "All that matters is that you like it"

I don't write just for me though, I do want other people to enjoy it

[ocean acorn]

oh yeah i get that one
"it doesnt have to be good!!" but i want it to be good!! the labor of making it good is half the fun for me!!

[jolly epoch]

probably because of the aforementioned people who do actually critique usually not having a good point lol

the criticisms are as bad as the fanfics themselves on average

I'm glad that people seem to like my fanfics overall though, but I know I have a lot to learn

I found out just how much I had to learn when I started attempting something original

[solemn zealot]

yeah. basically, its already hard enough to put your stuff out there, posting art is often a very personal thing, and for some people (i'm people) it's anxiety inducing (i love concrits tho). you should expect that to happen eventually, but most of the prople doing fanfics are there for multiple reasons, and its not always to get better at writing, so it can feel like punching down at times, yknow? even if your intent is to 'help' them

[jolly epoch]

one of the most bizarre things I've seen whilst writing fanfiction are the people who come up with OCs and ask you to put said OCs in your story

[solemn zealot]

if you're writing a rare pair, then honestly, just liking to write about it will be enough for the starving fans of the pair

[jolly epoch]

well I wouldn't call shusumi a rare pair lol

but I get it

[solemn zealot]

then you are against tough competition

[jolly epoch]

some stuff I just write for fun, not intending it to be serious

[solemn zealot]

(fanfics are not competition btw)

[jolly epoch]

they're not?

[solemn zealot]

oh true you get a new car when you hit 100k kudos

[jolly epoch]

are you talking about like LVCB and such?

[solemn zealot]

i do not read shusushusuushushusmi so idk

[ocean acorn]

and its for free too

[jolly epoch]

oh

I thought you meant I'm up against tough competition because of some shusumi fics you'd read

[solemn zealot]

i'd read the femc joker ones

[jolly epoch]

LVCB is a very long term fanfic that basically follows Sumi's journey after p5r

all the way from the third semester to once she marries Ren

[ocean acorn]

i keep telling myself that ill write that yaldy ending ren corruption arc fic that exists in my head and then i dont

i have...the prologue and some scattered scenes

[jolly epoch]

that's how writing works

you always get ideas for the part of your story that you aren't at yet

👍

[solemn zealot]

once you write you end up not doing most of what you thought

[ocean acorn]

i dont even remember the last time i touched it is the thing lmao

[jolly epoch]

I refactor a lot of things as the idea progresses, but I'm usually not dissatisfied by the results

[ocean acorn]

my pace on fics in general went from slow to nonexistent around when i got into modding

[jolly epoch]

at least not with the idea itself, as I've gotten better at writing I don't really like my older works all that much lol

[jolly epoch]

modding is just another way to show appreciation for media you enjoy

[ocean acorn]

youre not wrong but i still want that fic to exist

[solemn zealot]

i mod because i hate persoan 5 /||h||j

[jolly epoch]

make it a p5 mod

[ocean acorn]

you hook the exe so i can have separate scheduler procedures for yaldy ending and the ability to have a jonklerless party then

[jolly epoch]

when I get better at assembly maybe

[faint plinth]

Once the event editor is done-ish my fanfic will take the form of Devil + Temperance confidant overhauls... trust......

[solemn zealot]

ohya kawakami yuri????? (i joke but unironically i kinda want this now)

[jolly epoch]

the confidants themselves aren't really that bad though imo

[ocean acorn]

admittedly i do kinda want to do a devil overhaul but im not entirely sure what id do beyond reduce the fake dating thing to a one-off joke you can make

[faint plinth]

They really are, lmfao.

Devil will be Lala confidant 😇

[jolly epoch]

lol

okay that is an improvement

[faint plinth]

Temperance is so cringe I cannot physically make myself play it in vanilla 😔

[solemn zealot]

i love ohya but you can't beat lala

[jolly epoch]

cause of the maid thing?

[faint plinth]

It cheapens the whole game. Horrifically lame, bad writing.

[jolly epoch]

I getcha, but it is relevant to her character conflict

[faint plinth]

It would be more interesting if kept tied to the school.

Like, overworked teacher plotline hardly needs the stupid maid shtick 🤷

[jolly epoch]

so what are you gonna replace the massages with then?

those are useful

[faint plinth]

And Shujin desperately needs plot development itself. Like wtf even is this school 😂

So, two birds with one stone.

[jolly epoch]

bad

prison

:)

gtg

[faint plinth]

Dunno what I'd replace the massages with exactly 🤷 I have never used them so idrc about then mechanically, lmao.

[ocean acorn]

maybe its because ive been a weeb since middle school but meido shit doesnt even phase me lol, mostly its just funny

[solemn zealot]

one problem def is that joker just solves her issue for her. like, there could've been ways to give kawakami agency i'm sure.

[jolly epoch]

Leblanc coffee mechanic?

like if you make coffee you both get it for the metaverse and also get to go out during the night because caffeine boost

gtg though

[faint plinth]

Kawakami shows you how she makes super mega awake-for-days coffee in the teacher's lounge 😆

[ocean acorn]

it involves drugs /j

[solemn zealot]

i still am not super sure how kawakami fits temperance beyond her overworked arc, that is actually caused by forces outside of her control? idk

[ocean acorn]

tbf that arguably applies to like half the confidants

[faint plinth]

I want the new confidant to culminate into her actually moving toward an admin position at the school after ||the old principal dies||....

[solemn zealot]

yeah but temperance should've been about her gaining agency to decide for herself, it cheapens the thematic having it suddenly resolved. also, how did iwai's end? i dont remember if we just solve it for him or not

[solemn zealot]

(stealing ideas)

[ocean acorn]

you change the heart of one of his old yakuza buddies, but then another yakuza guy takes kaoru hostage and forces iwai to tell kaoru hes adopted, but then the guy whose heart you changed intervenes

[solemn zealot]

at least iwai was there to confront his demons. can't say much of the rest

[ocean acorn]

iwai peam

[solemn zealot]

peam

[ocean acorn]

idk about the radical change to one of the basic premises of the slink plot but tbh thats actually kinda fire

a chance for shujin to not be shit anymore

[faint plinth]

I will make it work 😈 ||because my wife will also help me write it lolll||

[ocean acorn]

it kinda fits with the epilogue too actually lol

[solemn zealot]

love how the school becomes useless after makoto's arc, aka level 20-30. it just vanishes mid-to-lategame

[ocean acorn]

hey now thats not totally fair, the culture festival got akechi to eat an evil takoyaki

[solemn zealot]

i wish i had a wife to help me write

[ocean acorn]

i should springboard fic ideas with my partner actually, maybe thatll get my ass to actually write lol

[faint plinth]

Do iiit. It genuinely helps so much.

[solemn zealot]

my single bitch ass

[ocean acorn]

i think ive made that suggestion to myself before too but then forgor to act on it lol

[faint plinth]

Do it 🫵

[solemn zealot]

im too lazy to continue animating hecate its good enough. time to go back to doing events

[rocky kelp]

you need to capitalize the letters after the ...'s

[rocky kelp]

at 1:42 you have an extra space before without

oh sorry for being blunt... it was bothering me lmao

[solemn zealot]

weird. must just be how the letters are displayed

[solemn zealot]

no problem i like having help on this stuff

[solemn zealot]

talking about it... i should probably have a project thread about this mod im doing once i have enough of the mod to post a beta of

[faint plinth]

...damn, Kawakami ending up in the hospital because she ODs on the insane coffee she taught you to make kinda rules conceptually.... I can't stop thinking about it now....

[solemn zealot]

she just like me fr

[faint plinth]

Real....

[solemn zealot]

holy shit you just gave me a great idea.
kawakami faints from exhaustion in one of the slinks, jonkler calls the closest doctor, takemi, and this is how tae and kawakami meet

plausible kawakemi yuri lets gooo
(honest question, why this ship seems so popular? i mean, i like it too for some reason, but i dont think they ever interacted )

[ocean acorn]

id contradict you with "ive never seen it before in my life" but tbh i barely look at shit outside of mods lmao

[solemn zealot]

popular as far as crackships go i mean

[ocean acorn]

because yuri

[solemn zealot]

yuri

[ocean acorn]

YuriStar

[solemn zealot]

i had to touch grass today instead of making events my feet hurt

anyway im close to finishing it at least

[faint plinth]

Touching grass is an essential step in the event editing process 🙂‍↕️

[jolly epoch]

Touching grass is an essential step on your journey to becoming a Jedi

[solemn zealot]

i have to touch grass again tomorrow

[solemn zealot]

@faint plinth i think you should probably cap the shrinkage amount, because for large enough nodes, well... it does this. (the first example is 60 frames, the second is 320)

[faint plinth]

LMAO, I was trying to pick a sticker and it picked a wild one.

That's built-in Avalonia behavior, and I don't know if the upcoming move away from the flyout editors will kind of just. Fix it.

But I agree that the long commands like that get pretty wild and annoying in general, and layout improvements should prioritize that.

Also annoying is how clicking on them makes things scroll around wildly.

Flyout behavior

[solemn zealot]

oh yeah i always forget to mention how the thing keeps snapping based on the last place you left clicked it looks like

[faint plinth]

Yeah... not much for that other than moving away from the flyouts.

[balmy basalt]

ajda

Getting wet 'n' wild in this branch 🥴
But I do think this timeline redesign will be worth it once I can sort out the mess.

Jump

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[solemn zealot]

wtf changing camera does not remove the DOF effect from the previous one

[faint plinth]

Might need to use a camera reset command...?

[solemn zealot]

flowscript or evt?

[faint plinth]

EVT has one. I don't remember the exact code.

CAR_...?

[solemn zealot]

vroom

hmmm how much yuri should i add to the mod...

[faint plinth]

Follow your heart 😇

[solemn zealot]

🤔

dof seems to be in effect still

[faint plinth]

Hmmmm.

And having Enable Depth-of-Field? unchecked on a new CSD_ isn't doing it?

[solemn zealot]

ok so femc jonkle/every girl and sae addon outside gb cough cough, shiho/ann, ann/makoto, makoto/haru...

[solemn zealot]

nopers

[faint plinth]

Hmmmmmmmm

[solemn zealot]

ann you're a bit smeared sweetie

[faint plinth]

Did you have both options checked in the CAR_ command? I assume so, but....

[solemn zealot]

yup

my car_ is well oiled

alwqays run condition too

[faint plinth]

Then I dunno

[solemn zealot]

trying to set an animation for my hecate enemy model in evtui crashes it

[faint plinth]

Might be the same thing CG has noted a few times where it crashes on windows if an animation slot is empty, or something like that.

If not, I can try to load the models into an event myself and see what the error might be.

[solemn zealot]

the thing is that it was not even loading animation 0, so maybe it's not detecting the anim file...?

oh okay it went when i set the base animations id to 0

it works!

i do have to figure out the DOF

[jolly epoch]

is DOF even used that often?

I can't remember a time it's used outside of 3d animated cutscenes

[ocean acorn]

||also is the implication here that ann has fantasies about [REDACTED]ing shiho and is ashamed of it because shes a csa survivor with no kink ed and her abuser is also her crush's abuser||

because...respect if true

[solemn zealot]

i no longer have to touch grass so i can finally go back to serious business

[solemn zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-i-need-it-i-don’t-need-it-i-definitely-don’t-need-it-thirsty-gif-17101453146721253330

[solemn zealot]

||idk death of the author ||

im in a sunk cost fallacy where i'm like "eh, the coordinates are close enough i can just eye the rest out", and no, i can't eye the rest, i'm constantly overshooting, but because i'm always "this time i just need a tiny nudge", i keep forgetting that it would just be quicker to grab the damn coords using modmenu's xyz debug print from using the teleport feature

holy fuck i can just get the yaw like that

[jolly epoch]

if you use blender to decide coords, don't worry about decimals

the scale of p5r stuff is pretty huge, so decimals are very insignificant

it's actually annoying how the p5r engine handles coordinates

because it makes it so hard to properly view maps in blender

[solemn zealot]

now to find out how to make the 'shadow spawn' animation

[faint plinth]

An effect command, I'd guess.

[solemn zealot]

@faint plinth audio stuff (also crash at the end for an obvious reason)

anyway how do i get sfxes in here?

[faint plinth]

You might have to close out of the command and come back... but also, does the SFX sound file for the event exist?

Sound commands are a bit out of date, much like Msg_ was. Some of the oldest implementations 🥲

[solemn zealot]

wait so there is no generic sfx? its all tied to the specific event?

its working now. i stole the sound files of another event

[faint plinth]

The SFX option specifically is per event, yeah.

There are Field and System sounds, but those aren't handled super well yet (the former because it took me a while to figure them out, and the latter because the System ACB is very large and I don't have a strategy for lazy loading it like with Singleword 🥲)....

[vague needle]

how do i open EVTUI? I already cloned it

[vague needle]

i already have .NET

[ocean acorn]

you use batch script and then build from source

[solemn zealot]

this is to build the exe thingy

man do i have ways with words

[vague needle]

yea I did the .\scripts\bootstrap_win.bat command

[solemn zealot]

then you do the dotnet publish command

inside src/gui

[ocean acorn]

do you have specifically dotnet sdk

[vague needle]

judging by the message no

i'll download that

[solemn zealot]

it should be a simple thing

why is this all pink and purple

i mean, i like it over blue everywhere

[ocean acorn]

ourple

[vague needle]

ourple nurple

[solemn zealot]

no, myple

[solemn zealot]

finally made progress
i barely got anything else done because setting the stage was such a pain
im gonna sleep now.

[faint plinth]

This is siiiick. You have earned a rest 🙂‍↕️

Also, you are a madwoman and I think it's very likely you are doing the most detailed EVT work any modder has yet to do. Lol.

Trailblazing 🔥🔥🔥

[faint plinth]

Any luck?

[vague needle]

Currently not on my computer currently but I’ll try tomorrow

[rocky kelp]

hey ajda could i have the evtui icon? i was thinking i'd make a pre-made desktop entry for linux users

that you can include in the release version

[faint plinth]

It's just here in the repo.

[rocky kelp]

oh seriously 💀

[faint plinth]

OK, got in the Avalonia update that should in theory fix ALT symbol entry 🤞 I've been putting that off for months, even before this specific issue.... When I tried before, the newer version broke the Timeline in ways that were annoying and boring to debug. But I think I finally managed to fix everything and make the update seamless. Famous last words, though....

[rocky kelp]

did you merge? i can go ahead and test it

oh looks liek you did

i got a few avalonia warnings while building

    /run/media/raven/Josuke/Modding/EVTUI/src/gui/Utilities/MessageBox.axaml : Avalonia warning AVLN3001: XAML resource "avares://EVTUI/Utilities/MessageBox.axaml" won't be reachable via runtime loader, as no public constructor was found
    /run/media/raven/Josuke/Modding/EVTUI/src/gui/Utilities/SafetyBox.axaml : Avalonia warning AVLN3001: XAML resource "avares://EVTUI/Utilities/SafetyBox.axaml" won't be reachable via runtime loader, as no public constructor was found```

[faint plinth]

Those have been there, yeah.

[rocky kelp]

ah

aand i forgot to publish

i've been building too many configs

well uhhh....

the commands have escaped containment

[faint plinth]

Noooooo, it worked on my machine 😭

[rocky kelp]

RIP

[faint plinth]

Welp... I'll see if I can recreate it at all....

[rocky kelp]

oh jeez

[faint plinth]

Are they always offset, or just when you scroll?

[rocky kelp]

it's only certain ones

andi can't edit them (?)

these ones look funky

[faint plinth]

What do you mean, you can't edit them?

[rocky kelp]

they're greyed out

oh is that a new thing

[faint plinth]

That's expected, yes.

[rocky kelp]

these ones are to the right

[faint plinth]

(You couldn't actually edit those parts from the timeline before, so it was misleading.)

[rocky kelp]

but it's not just when i scroll. they stay like that after i'm stationary

[faint plinth]

Inconsistent offsets, why 😭 You're killing me, Avalonia....

Well, sure, but when you open up the timeline, are they already borked?

[rocky kelp]

let's see

when i open up, the ones i see look fine

but after i scroll over the ones i see next are fucked

but the first few stay the same

[faint plinth]

Okay, so the offset is funky... but not in a way that's consistent across platforms 😰

Or, wait, you're on Linux....

WHY....

[rocky kelp]

this is true... idk if distros play a factor at all..

i don't think it would since this is meant to be a container, right?

[faint plinth]

They shouldn't factor in!

And yet....

I don't know if there might be any weirdness with Avalonia actually updating or not....

[faint plinth]

Oh dear, more weirdness when switching between tabs. Avalonia, why!!!

Well, I do think some of these issues are finally giving me hints at what Windows users have been seeing. Yay...?

[faint plinth]

OK, managed to fix this, but still no idea about the weird offsets. We'll see if anyone else gets them....

[solemn zealot]

surely that's not true... right? (and tbf its only thanks to the gui)

[rocky kelp]

I think you and spypigeon have some of the most impressive

[ocean acorn]

someone made an event thats just bad apple but tbh yeah i cant think of many that do more than add like some dialogue and flow stuff

[solemn zealot]

i still have to use flow

[rocky kelp]

oh yeah i remember that. and it was made out of apples

[solemn zealot]

okay thats epic

[ocean acorn]

i will make those missing backstory events i swear on it
i just need to write the scripts and either make the models or get someone else to, which will probably involve concept arting up younger ruler designs, and then i have to make the game actually call them though to be frank thats the easy part

thanks cat

[rocky kelp]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/420905

I wanna know how

of course it was made with a script but like....

[ocean acorn]

evttool i think

[rocky kelp]

i know that

but like.

I suppose I could look at the evt and find out

[golden willow]

from what I remember it's millions of commands long

[rocky kelp]

biggest evt file known to man

[solemn zealot]

i'll make them if only to add bosses p5strikers style to them, so i can make first-runs even harder

[rocky kelp]

it just seems like a proof of concept really

I mean we know evt's are really capable but like... 3 years after that evtui went into development. people were sleeping on it lmao

[solemn zealot]

i came back to p5 modding at just the right time huh

there was so much i wanted to do back then but evts looked like a nightmare

[rocky kelp]

bc they were

I wanted to make haru not look sad in my better haru rejection I opened some kind of old evt editor and decided it wasn't for me

it wasn't evttool.... it was some kind of rudimentary broken gui tool

[ocean acorn]

i think there were two of those lol, i mainly remember the one shrinefox abandoned

ive wanted to do fully new events probably as long as p5r pc has existed but i didnt know how jsons worked at first and even once i did it seemed like...a lot lol (which it is)

[rocky kelp]

I think that might've been it

it was white and had the commands on the side

it looked like something out of windows 7

right as I was about to go to bed the name flashed in my mind

it was called evteditor

yep it's real

https://github.com/ShrineFox/EVTEditor

I could never get it to work

[ocean acorn]

woah that conditional index

[golden willow]

looks like they're using a bitflag to represent a cond index

[ocean acorn]

i would guess whatever flag this is tracks if youve gotten this event before
(which you never will, because its an unused doubt remnant)

[solemn zealot]

uh anyone knows how do i get this field animation into an evt?

[ocean acorn]

characters have separate gaps for events, no?

[solemn zealot]

this is def ann's confidant

[solemn zealot]

oh i found the base animations 1 file, and there is a lot of empty space i can replace stuff in

hopefully this works

[solemn zealot]

why it refuses to play any rotation animation i set

[solemn zealot]

(i really debated whether or not to share because this is quite the early draft even after many different iterations )
if i'm being really generous i'm at best like 75% of the way there but holy shit i'm done for the time being
i'll be in the battle scripting mines ig

anyway, thanks ajda, this tool is very useful

[faint plinth]

Thanks for being a power-user!! It's hugely helpful for development 🙏

(And also just cool and humbling to see what you cook up!)

[solemn zealot]

~~I am powered by yuri ~~ thanks

[solemn zealot]

(auto forget for ann)making the battle script and the event following it will be fun

[solemn zealot]

i should prob make my own proj thread eventually tho

[rocky kelp]

for some reaso nthis is an editable text box lol

[solemn zealot]

huh, not for me

[rocky kelp]

did you pull the recent update?

[solemn zealot]

oh there was one 2 days ago.

[faint plinth]

It only looks editable, but it is not. I changed it so it can actually be scrolled/selected/copied, since it's the same popup for errors, lol.

[faint plinth]

See above that it should fix the ALT symbol issues... but raven has seen some layout issues with it that I can't reproduce 😥

[faint plinth]

(I've been meaning to make it scrollable/copyable for ages to help with debugging, and doing the Avalonia update in particular made it VERY annoying not to be able to do all that)

[solemn zealot]

hmm i wonder if there's an event very early on i can edit to procrastinate from actually doing gameplay

[solemn zealot]

[solemn zealot]

Scr_ is working well

[golden willow]

there are only 384 counts in P5R, so you'd be overwriting info in the persona compendium

[solemn zealot]

nooo

thanks

i have to change some other counts i've set then... oh well

man i cant find any unused counts. why is the value so low?

[ocean acorn]

yeah lol i went with just trying to use custom save data framework for doubt mod since i dont even wanna try hunting down multiple counts that are basically untouched for nearly the whole game

[solemn zealot]

you can just search the .flow dump

205-210 are untouched in flows at least

[ocean acorn]

nah, i dont think its worth it

[solemn zealot]

>custom save data framework

hmm ill look into this

[ocean acorn]

that reminds me i do have a flowutils addon for getting and setting custom save data in flowscript, but ive never tested it since fucking no one but me has tried custom save data in the first place

...maybe keep a backup save

[solemn zealot]

that'd be very useful

[ocean acorn]

inb4 there are counts specifically for doubt that are unused because doubt is unused
lmao

theres not existing counts related to crossword i assume?

[solemn zealot]

this is not the literal crossword. just a dialogue gag

[solemn zealot]

holy shit

[faint plinth]

Models from original P5 (e.g., the beta builds) tend to look like that in the previews for some reason... guess his model hasn't been updated in a while 😅

[solemn zealot]

he and kamoshida look like this lol

quite fitting

[faint plinth]

🤭

[solemn zealot]

looking back on the second event i've ever made with this tool, i'm quite proud of it actually
https://youtu.be/PH_Bl_5dwOc

this... freedom to do what i want tastes good

[faint plinth]

Trying to figure out a good set of data structures / general code organization to make all the rendering stuff work nicely Grahhhh....

[amber moth]

A true programmer would never fix tech debt

[faint plinth]

Actually getting things to show up as expected when the numbers are plugged in? Whatever. Making sure all the pipes connect to do this for, like, any given frame or command? Annoying....

Unfortunately if there isn't a good structure here, it's simply not going to happen, lol.

[amber moth]

One of these days i'll get back to learning programming. Until then I believe in you ajda

[faint plinth]

🫡

I will do it... it's just a pain

[amber moth]

The pain will be worth it trust🙏

[faint plinth]

It will, it will

[amber moth]

Regardless you've done such a great job on all of this so far. Don't ever forget that.

[faint plinth]

Thanks ❤️ You're very sweet.

[rocky kelp]

this is true

ajda the 🐐

[ocean acorn]

i cant make out what flag this is supposed to be though because. what

[faint plinth]

16778559 dec -> 0x100053F hex -> should be flag 1343 (0x53F) in section 1.

I'll have that in the UI eventually....

[rocky kelp]

when I was gonna make the exepatch I just had ai calculate it for me 😭

[ocean acorn]

i had a feeling it was something like that but my brain froze up because it was ugly to look at

[faint plinth]

Understandable reaction to looking at some shit in decimal that really only looks good in hex 😔

[faint plinth]

I will say... I don't know why EVTs seem to have the flag section shifted from how BFs represent it (e.g., 0x1000000 vs. 0x10000000 for section 1)....

[jolly epoch]

because reasons

[jolly epoch]

Wait I only finished my Hawaii event 10 days ago

It feels longer

[faint plinth]

What manner of horrible Cronenbergian monstrosity hath I wrought 😰

[jolly epoch]

Looks perfectly normal to me

[rocky kelp]

the sojiro

[solemn zealot]

[jolly epoch]

@faint plinth

I decided to pull the changes just in case you made any

and it won't build

btw if you're wondering why I didn't check this before, I was finishing up my HTML course and then I got lazy

[faint plinth]

How are you building?

This thread has a couple of possible fixes: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68283730/error-nu1100-unable-to-resolve-microsoftofficecore-15-0-0-for-net5-0#68284740

Basically, it's a local config thing.

[balmy basalt]

every time i go to look for the github i see this image

ajda

For future use:

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[faint plinth]

A good reminder 🙂‍↕️

[jolly epoch]

same way the github page says to build unless you changed it

"dotnet publish --runtime win-x64"

with dotnet version 8.0

[rocky kelp]

can't you shorten it to -r or is that a bash thing

[faint plinth]

I did not. I mean, where are you building? In VS, gitbash, etc.

[jolly epoch]

just the command line

it used to work fine

[faint plinth]

The issue is local to your setup somehow.

[jolly epoch]

lemme try the fixes in that link hold on

[faint plinth]

I'd follow the thread I linked and see if anything there does it, yeah.

[jolly epoch]

yeah

clearing nuget stuff now

could be an issue there since I did download libraries for Reloaded II modding

we'll see

now it's getting even more errors

lol

time to try the other fix

[rocky kelp]

love when there's MORE errors

[jolly epoch]

now it's just these two errors

the warnings can be ignored

[faint plinth]

I think that means you need to do a clean.

[rocky kelp]

i think i got these errors when i didn't patch

[jolly epoch]

I cleaned it and deleted the nuget config though

or do you mean a clean of the repo

[faint plinth]

dotnet clean?

[rocky kelp]

"dotnet clean" right?

aha i was right

i'm getting better at commands

[jolly epoch]

do I build it now?

[rocky kelp]

good ol cache getting in the way

and yes

[rocky kelp]

[faint plinth]

🥲

Lol, okay, I'd try rerunning the setup script then, I guess??

[jolly epoch]

I deleted the GFD Studio and AST and then reran the batch script

finally

[faint plinth]

🎉

Now see if you get the same timeline weirdness that raven gets but I don't 🥹

[jolly epoch]

now

what event should I edit...

I'll take your idea into consideration later @faint plinth

[rocky kelp]

that's a lot of warnings lmao

[jolly epoch]

but not yet

[jolly epoch]

they're unimportant

ajda said before it's due to some library

[rocky kelp]

i usually get 7 or so

[jolly epoch]

I think AST?

[jolly epoch]

fresh builds get more

[mellow gazelle]

pov, you're a programmer:

[jolly epoch]

which this basically ended up being

[jolly epoch]

true

a lot of warnings are just in case anyway

just to let you know what might be an issue

you should avoid them if possible, but I don't think that was possible for EVTUI lol

[jolly epoch]

essentially I have an idea to make it more entertaining

but it'd take time

[faint plinth]

Most of the warnings are from the dependencies, yeah, lol. I think like 4ish are from EVTUI itself? For the rest, not on me to fix AST's and GFDStudio's shit

[jolly epoch]

they're really good though

and honestly probably not stuff that needs fixing to begin with

[faint plinth]

I use them for a reason, true. But they are not, shall we say, the most portable codebases I've ever worked with 😅

[jolly epoch]

lol

it's still magic that they were able to be figured out to begin with though

maybe one day I'll learn the sacred arts, but for now I am but a learner

plus I thought of a mod idea if I can figure out how to influence P5S with code injections to basically make Merciless actually fun

I wonder if there's a reason beyond it simply being less popular that modding for it is way behind p5r

[ocean acorn]

koei tecmo

[faint plinth]

Strikers? Lol......

TL;DR: infamously annoying to mod.

[jolly epoch]

does the game have anti-tamper measures or is it just a really messy engine

if it has anti-tamper I'm not gonna bother, but if not I should be able to figure out something with Inaba exe patcher

[ocean acorn]

it has denuvo if that counts

[jolly epoch]

it'd take a while and will have to be done after my current mod

[jolly epoch]

denuvo has a separate anti-tamper thing

[rocky kelp]

koei tecmo is infamously anti-modding

[golden willow]

the engine's design is deliberately hostile to modders

because people were making nsfw mods for dead or alive

[ocean acorn]

steam 1.0.0 actually didnt iirc but it also consistently crashed during a required story cutscene for me soooooo

[jolly epoch]

are custom assembly functions possible at least? those are harder to do in general but it's something I at least can do

[rocky kelp]

p5s loves to kill itself on proton too for some reason

listerally only proton ge 8 works for me

[mellow gazelle]

which doesnt even make sense, isn't that game already hella skimpy?

[golden willow]

yes

[rocky kelp]

let the players be horny dammit

[ocean acorn]

they were selling modded discs werent they?

[jolly epoch]

are you sure you aren't confusing DOA for Street Fighter? since capcom started being super anti-modding after a particular incident

[ocean acorn]

with the nude mods

[rocky kelp]

this is horny erasure

[jolly epoch]

anyway

do they have anti-tamper measures?

since those would definitely restrict what I can do

[ocean acorn]

not unless you count denuvo

its just purposefully very obnoxious

[jolly epoch]

okay then I'll try it eventually

[ocean acorn]

i love hashed file names!!

[jolly epoch]

yeah but anti-tamper isn't really that difficult to implement if you know assembly or typical reverse engineering methods. You can make things pretty darn hard

if they hate modding in general, would they prevent modders from disassembling the exe

[rocky kelp]

disgusting

[jolly epoch]

I don't really intend to touch those at least

only the exe

[mellow gazelle]

i mean you are playing a windows game on not-windows

[rocky kelp]

this is ture

true

[jolly epoch]

to Epic and EA this is a crime :)

[ocean acorn]

which is still stupid but at least marginally less petty than for just porn mods existing at all

[mellow gazelle]

?

[jolly epoch]

well maybe not ea, I can't remember if they've done intentionally anti-linux stuff, but Epic has

[mellow gazelle]

they're just publishers

[rocky kelp]

kernel level anti cheat

[jolly epoch]

that specifically restricts linux use

[rocky kelp]

i know

[jolly epoch]

just adding

[mellow gazelle]

i mean yeah, when the alternative is cheaters and players leaving like idk what people expect lol

[rocky kelp]

if they find out you're using say lutris's ant-cheat patches they're smiting you

i've been using them on zzz. i've never heartd of linux users being banned from zzz though yet

[jolly epoch]

I just don't play multiplayer games

usually

I play TF2 with friends but that's it

I use windows though so there's no need for me to worry

[rocky kelp]

i don't either. zzz just happens to have multiplayer functions i do not use

[jolly epoch]

I still think it's dumb when businesses intentionally make their stuff harder for linux. Like if that's the actual intent and not just a consequence

[rocky kelp]

I'd say because of steam deck most are looking at proton compatability now

[mellow gazelle]

are they making it harder though, or just not putting in the extra resources to support linux? supporting another platform isn't as simple as just pressing the "build for linux" button :/

[jolly epoch]

I could be misremembering, but doesn't easy anticheat work for linux? and some companies do turn it on for linux and it works fine?

maybe it's not a big deal now, but I was hearing a lot about stuff like that back when the steam deck first came out

anyway

now I'm looking at the p5s mod page and wow

there are like no mods for it

I don't see anything involving game logic either

so this isn't really a good measure of whether or not the changes I want to do are feasible

[rocky kelp]

easy anticheat does work yeah

[jolly epoch]

I'm looking through events to see what to change rn

and ngl

I'd actually rather see if I can at least somewhat change p5s's logic using Cheat Engine and then the EXE patcher

[jolly epoch]

well it doesn't appear to have any specific anti-memory scanning stuff

in fact the function for modifying HP is relatively straightforward

I ended up crashing the game, but I don't think that's due to anti-tamper

[jolly epoch]

well I can verify

the game doesn't use anything that would prevent an edit to the merciless difficulty from being possible

👍

I'm gonna throw the exe into ghidra

oh my gosh

it's even bigger than the p5r exe

:|

I'm gonna move talking about this to the regular modding chat, since it's more of a way to spend my evening

[faint plinth]

SOJIRO, NOOO... SPEAK TO ME......

...don't worry, he's fine. Let's All Float In The Void With Papa :)

[faint plinth]

"Wow this is working pretty w--WAAAAGH!!!"

...ok but seriously, it IS working well, I'm gonna cry (happily) 🥹

Still a ways to go to get everything to react nicely and play out, but. Progress!!!

[faint plinth]

"Don't be scared -- it's just me, Lady Ann! The HRT is working wonders!"

[solemn zealot]

holy poggers

[amber moth]

This is amazing ajda

[rocky kelp]

wow that's pretty good so far

[solemn zealot]

im so hyped rn

[jolly epoch]

so how much are you planning to do before it's available in the github repo btw?

good work so far btw

[faint plinth]

I definitely won't have things fully complete before I merge what I have, just for the sake of keeping the initial PR manageable (it is already massive 🥲).

Not 100% decided on what the incremental stopping point will be, though. It may end up being pretty close to the screenshots above -- just a preview of initial model positions. So, limited utility, but that way I can get something in before working on the reactivity part.

[solemn zealot]

a black void with the models is already insanely useful

just dont burn yourself out

[faint plinth]

That's why it's best to do incrementally

This first step just had no real increments, lol. A lot of plumbing that just kind of needed to be done all at once, for anything else to be possible.

Buuut there's definitely a much clearer way forward now. That first hurdle was just intimidating. Hopefully it'll be smoother from here 🙏

[solemn zealot]

i'll be thoroughly testing it the moment it drops (~~im getting tired of working on the boss fight ~~)

[faint plinth]

Version 1 possibly won't be that fun to test, since right now it just grabs whatever the initial positions are when opening the event and doesn't update them no matter what you do (aside from closing and reopening the event) 😅

We'll see if I end up adding any basic reactivity before merging this inital stuff, but very possibly not -- again just to break things down into more manageable steps.

[jolly epoch]

I just remembered

I was planning on making Ann and Ren talking use Shido's office

I should work on that

[solemn zealot]

I just remembered

I was planning on making Ann and Shiho kiss

I should work on that eventually

[jolly epoch]

give Akechi a dog while you're at it

:)

[solemn zealot]

why a dog? cat suits him better

[jolly epoch]

because I saw a fic with that premise once

I didn't read it

but giving him a dog could be cute

[ocean acorn]

therapy ouppy

[jolly epoch]

wow

I didn't realize that Ren took Ann to freaking big bang burger lol

"This is a serious conversation, I should take her to McDonalds"

I can offset and change the rotation of the field

this'll take a few attempts since there's no renderer yet

but I should be able to position it just right so that they're in the right places

[ocean acorn]

YuriStar

[jolly epoch]

okay nevermind

this field is not moving

hmm

[ocean acorn]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/839/788/507.jpg

[solemn zealot]

she's so radiant 😇

[ocean acorn]

to be clear, are you moving the one breakdown scene into shido office field lol

[jolly epoch]

yep

because funny

the sun being on is not helping

[ocean acorn]

might be env shit idk

[jolly epoch]

I turned off the sun

idk where they are though lol

[faint plinth]

Looks like they're right up next to the skybox

[ocean acorn]

lemao

[jolly epoch]

yeah but they shouldn't be

not based on the coordinates I'm looking at

[mellow gazelle]

on my youtube too lol

[jolly epoch]

why are they above it

that doesn't make any sense

[ocean acorn]

apropos of nothing im suddenly trying to remember every event that uses yongen field bc i kinda feel like putting a custom event there

[rocky kelp]

the scene with shido

when they run out of leblanc during his speech

a lot of scenes during futaba's palace

[faint plinth]

The reusable post-rank phonecall outside of Leblanc + the thirdsem laundromat debrief come to mind.

[solemn zealot]

the coords are just different

[rocky kelp]

they stood outside of the sakura house during futab's palace

[ocean acorn]

i think im picturing something in like the wide i guess road that passes by the grocery store and takemis clinic, although im not entirely sure why since the stray cats are usually in the smaller alley leading to leblanc

[jolly epoch]

so close

so it turns out that the field offsets are inverted

also Ren is one with the desk

[ocean acorn]

that angle actually reasonably obfuscates that its shidos office lmao

[jolly epoch]

I don't want to change too much

[ocean acorn]

although whatever is going on with the skybox helps

[jolly epoch]

there's some model that's part of the event

I can remove it

[ocean acorn]

this made my brain wander to the okumura will scenes where the reused field is like, really obvious lmfao

[jolly epoch]

hold on

I turned off the star filter

but I wonder how it'll look if I turn it back on

oh

this moment is split between two events

should I make them both Shido's office or just inexplicably have the first one be Shido's office and the second one be Big Bang Burger again

this is how it looks with the filter on

[ocean acorn]

well youre already doing the funni so id go with inexplicable field change

[jolly epoch]

ok

let me give Ren a chair

[rocky kelp]

the persona 5 silly mod is real

[jolly epoch]

or would it be more funny if he just levitated

[ocean acorn]

either levitation or a really stupid-looking chair

[solemn zealot]

make him sit on a plant

[rocky kelp]

that's pretty good

plant sitter

[jolly epoch]

event 1

event 2

lol

[ocean acorn]

this would be for that manual morg confidant idea thats eating at my brain lately, btw, though idk if i want to make a project post yet when i only have ideas for like 2 of the 7ish scenes id need (im inclined to leave start and max where they are and have one of the okumura arc scenes still have a rankup)

[jolly epoch]

nah I'll just make him sit in a chair

that'd be funnier to me

[weary pelican]

Not even the plant?

[jolly epoch]

I think ridiculous but not too ridiculous makes the most comedy

so having them be in Shido's office but nothing overtly looks amiss until the anime cutscene is funnier to me

[jolly epoch]

it legit looks like Ren had a job interview with Ann and failed

lol

[weary pelican]

He doesn’t have the Robert Roberson mindset

[solemn zealot]

yknow what? i'll do that tomorrow, probably

im burned out from dealing with janky model bs

this sounds like a good break

[faint plinth]

"All right, looks like I got the common animations worki--uh, Ann???"

(It's the same issue girlkisser has been seeing with some of these older events -- the party members have references to animation files that don't exist. So there's clearly some kind of hardcoded logic to make this work, presumably after animation files got shuffled/consolidated during development....)

[mellow gazelle]

that sounds absolutely horrible

[jolly epoch]

which event is this?

I can check the strings to see if it's referenced at a specific location

oh

quite a few are referenced in the actual exe

[faint plinth]

I'm hoping it's just that it defaults to the 1-indexed GAP for the characters

[jolly epoch]

a lot of 90/91 events are directly referenced

and one 160 scene

major ID

[faint plinth]

Makes sense -- those are mostly Velvet Room events, right...?

[jolly epoch]

so which one is this one?

[faint plinth]

You can see it at the top of the screenshot

But when I say "hardcoded" here, I just mean that the logic for looking up animation paths has some backoff logic if the file in question doesn't exist.

Similar to how it works if a character's outfit has a zero-ID -- that just means the game picks the season/time-of-day appropriate outfit for them.

[jolly epoch]

ah

if that's the case then there probably is a workable solution

[faint plinth]

Yeah, it's not a big deal. Just an interesting quirk of how events work, lol....

[jolly epoch]

ig eventually they switched from whatever they did before to the new system where they just store most animations in 1 and have some other case for super specific animations

like Ren handing the flowers to his white day date

[faint plinth]

Not sure if related, but maybe

[jolly epoch]

idk

I'm not entirely sure how the flower handing animation or really any animations that involve two characters function

just that most of the standard animations are stored in the first animation file

[faint plinth]

If I had to guess, it's an event-specific ext animation file per character + a series of model attachment/detachment commands.

[jolly epoch]

probably

I made a mod once that made Sumire use her blue dress model for valentine's day

but that wasn't the original idea

I was gonna do white day, but something about that specific animation of her receiving the flowers completely messed up her hair physics

so I just never ended up doing it

[faint plinth]

[jolly epoch]

this is what happened btw

the sumi overhaul fixes whatever causes this, but idk what exactly since I never looked into it

[jolly epoch]

tbf I feel like stuff like this is kinda expected from proprietary engines

they're not as obligated to clean it up as a licensed engine would

[faint plinth]

...huh, seems like at least for some of these, it's actually the provided GAP ID + 30...? What on earth....

[amber moth]

I wonder if higher animation IDs just makes it default to a particular one? Might test that tomorrow.

kinda like the model thing you said before

[faint plinth]

I'm seeing this for animation IDs of 9 and 13 and whatnot, so not particularly high. And it's not consistent across characters in a given scene, or seemingly related to any unknown flags... so it seems to me that it's just like. If the file doesn't exist then look for the GAP ID + 30.

Weeeeird stuff.

[amber moth]

smh atlus

[solemn zealot]

[rocky kelp]

OMG FIELD

[vague needle]

sad

[mellow gazelle]

many such cases

[faint plinth]

What happened when you ran the bootstrap script?

My guess is that it failed at some point, so you're going without the dependencies.

[vague needle]

it downloaded all of the dependencies but after i do the dotnet install it just doesn't work

[faint plinth]

It downloaded, but did the patch succeed?

If you run the windows bootstrap script, what do the logs look like?

[solemn zealot]

😭

[weary pelican]

Wouldn’t be the first time I see a glitched Kamoshida

I emulated the PS3 version

[solemn zealot]

well, editing in-engine cutscenes is def quite limited...

they really have it all be done through animations... including where the characters are apparently

[faint plinth]

True 😔

[faint plinth]

...and honestly, the full render will only help so much. Like, viewing it will be nice and all, but then the animations still need to be edited elsewhere....

[solemn zealot]

yeah in that case its better to just 'downgrade' the cutscene or make a new one

[faint plinth]

Probably the most efficient (eventual) workflow for this would be to have the editor + Blender-or-whatever open simultaneously, and for the editor to have a Refresh Assets button so you can export and view model/animation changes across the two seamlessly enough

[amber moth]

that would be peak

[jolly epoch]

I just use blender for coords

[faint plinth]

Sure, but I mean for specifically editing animations (especially in cinematic cutscenes) once the render view is in place.

[jolly epoch]

Maybe

[amber moth]

more than maybe

[jolly epoch]

Well GMDs aren't easy to pose lol

[amber moth]

ajda just means hot reloading assets. Whatever makes editing animations within blender easier would also benefit from this.

[faint plinth]

I mean, someone is going to want to edit animations, even if it's hard 😅

[solemn zealot]

if that day ever comes, i'll be testing it to hell and back

[amber moth]

Most of the pre-rendered cutscenes are just mocapped anyways. Which means you can do the same (since mocap stuff has been getting easier to do).

[balmy basalt]

ajda

PModding mocap studio when....

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[solemn zealot]

it will be hard to not make edits stick out like a sore thumb without mocap

[amber moth]

I wouldn't say that

Eventually you'll get to a point you get good enough to do edits to mocapped stufff and it'll look fine

[solemn zealot]

i said it will be hard

[amber moth]

Thats why I say mostly

cause they do have non mocap anims all over the place

[solemn zealot]

the subtle movements that come from mocap are going to popout the moment one hand-animated bit misses them

[amber moth]

depends on what it is

[solemn zealot]

still, i dont mind really.

[amber moth]

you could also just fix up the prerendered cutscenes eventually

[vague needle]

i think it worked

but when i do dotnot it doesn't work

[faint plinth]

Hard for me to debug without knowing what the output/logs look like 🤷

That many errors mean it's pretty likely the patching failed at some point.

[solemn zealot]

rank and level...?

[jolly epoch]

I have no idea what those are for ngl

changing them doesn't seem to do anything

nothing visible

[faint plinth]

As far as I can tell, they're just dev labels that don't do anything. ...and probably got abandoned pretty early in development, because they don't change from the P5 beta builds 😅

I theorized they might have something to do with the weird GAP index mismatches, but they don't seem to....

[solemn zealot]

event gacha?

[amber moth]

Thats EVTUI already

[jolly epoch]

that's why there's no Sumi hawaii event, we didn't gamble to get it

:)

[solemn zealot]

the moment we get render i'll bother making the students on screen react (i took an already existing scene with like 20 of them an i cant bother to find the right ones )

dont mind me just spreading the anngenda

[runic berry]

I lurk in here because I’m dealing with life and not modding much.

But thank you. I’m smiling and laughing so much.

Next I imagine her saying “You Are Not Prepared!” and then walking off like an office Illidari.

[solemn zealot]

btw, any plans on adding a way to visualize bustup and cutins within the editor?

[faint plinth]

🙂‍↕️

Absolutely. Just lower priority than rendering stuff and other de-janking of message display.

[jolly epoch]

[solemn zealot]

adding frames to 120_001 and 116_201 is crashing to me for some reason 🤔

clearing frames also crashes
also, looking at the image, right after using the setting to add more frames, it seems it's not updating them properly...?
well, i saved (still didnt update), then closed and opened again, and the counter is properly updating when you do that at least. the crashing issues remain tho...🤔

[faint plinth]

Hmmmmm, I see, the ending frame in that menu isn't reacting to the change 🤔

[solemn zealot]

well, the biggest issue is that these events in specific are crashing when adding frames. so weird

[faint plinth]

Do you have a specific spot / number of frames where it crashed, so I can try to replicate? Or is it any adds or clears at all?

[solemn zealot]

seems like anywhere you add or clear

i even did with a fresh version of the event

[faint plinth]

Hrmmmm.

I shall investigate.

[solemn zealot]

[faint plinth]

🫵 YOU

(this is in E120_001, which is in fact MANY frames shorter than this)

The marked frame beyond the event duration is breaking shit and requires some additional indexing checks, I see....

[solemn zealot]

me?!?!?

[solemn zealot]

what marks these frames anyway?

[faint plinth]

There's a list of marked frames in the EVT header itself!

It's editor-only, as far as I can tell.

So like. Just a list of indices of frames to highlight.

[solemn zealot]

does that mean that these events used to be longer or smth...?

[faint plinth]

Or were copypasta'd from longer events, and then shortened without removing the marked frames, lol.

[solemn zealot]

i was gonna say that right now

smh my head how could atlus have done this?

[faint plinth]

Even Atlus builds events by copying other events

[solemn zealot]

imagine making stuff from scratch like a loser

this makes me wonder... what was the first ever event done...?

[faint plinth]

Granted, in this case, there are no other events with frame 1189 marked... so either the original event eventually removed the marker, or this event was in fact longer at some point!

[solemn zealot]

[faint plinth]

I bet we could do some archeology on the events from the beta build to hazard a pretty good guess....

[amber moth]

iirc, 120_001 was supposed to have a different camera angle.

[faint plinth]

Oooh....

[amber moth]

I don't remember where I learned that from but I distinctly remember it. Let me look around

Can't seem to find it. Maybe it was in that beta 64 video or something

[faint plinth]

...uh, checking the beta version for E120_001, it looks like the event was shortened... but even at that point, it already had the extra marked frame outside of the event duration! So it's there but at an even higher frame number, lol.

...but even then, no other event has a marked frame that matches that. So still no clear source of copypasta.

Ah, well. Still kinda funny.

[amber moth]

They just did it for the love of the game

[jolly epoch]

@faint plinth how's the viewport coming along btw?

[faint plinth]

Okie-doke, these issues (and a few other misc ones that have been piling up) are fixed in the latest PR (which has indeed been merged)

50 PRs! Wowee....

[faint plinth]

Haven't gotten to progress too much since last sharing, but I'm hoping to improve the model positioning implementation before merging, so I have something a little more solid to build on. Hopefully I'll have something minimally merge-able within the week....

[rocky kelp]

congrats!

well.....

[faint plinth]

I don't know why you and you alone are still getting that 😅

[rocky kelp]

[solemn zealot]

so far seems good

[rocky kelp]

random unrelated question, ajda, do you do programming for your job?

[faint plinth]

Yeh 🙂‍↕️

[rocky kelp]

wow... a professional

[solemn zealot]

would programming be my job when i dont make money? 🤔

[rocky kelp]

studying is my job...

[solemn zealot]

studying? whats that

[rocky kelp]

i've got many greuling years of this to come

[faint plinth]

Godspeed....

The years get much less grueling after undergrad, tbh, unless you're doing med school. But basically any other grad school is nowhere near as bad as undergrad, lmao.

[jolly epoch]

gotcha

[rocky kelp]

i hope so...

[faint plinth]

Lmao, well, okay, the improvement I wanted to make just like. Worked on the first try. So, dope??? Props be upon ye 🪄

[amber moth]

creating peak before our eyes

[faint plinth]

(It is still dumb and loads the first position of everything and doesn't update it, but I think that's where I'll leave it for the next PR.)

[solemn zealot]

well, it is still good to get coordinates anyway

even more useful in this hacky way

[rocky kelp]

tag yourself. i'm floating coffee cup

[solemn zealot]

im the autistic one

[ocean acorn]

no IM the autistic one

youre clearly the pretty butch in the apron

[faint plinth]

I'm the chairs cut off halfway by the white void.

[amber moth]

I'm the

[solemn zealot]

[solemn zealot]

wait aint she autistic

[ocean acorn]

idk probably

[jolly epoch]

are you planning on having the editor be able to read the bin files that store the textures?

it'd probably be a lot more work, so I don't expect it to be soon

just wondering if it was in the plans

[faint plinth]

OH GOD AAAAA (I think the blocks are all just bounding boxes that are normally transparent lol)

[jolly epoch]

lol

[faint plinth]

But yeah, fields in general have a ton of extra pieces they still need.

[jolly epoch]

I think they are too

[jolly epoch]

ah

[ocean acorn]

lemao

[jolly epoch]

actually wait why would this area have bounding boxes, you can't even walk around in there

[ocean acorn]

how hard would it be actually for one to be able to toggle their visibility or have them appear as like a wireframe

[jolly epoch]

maybe it's how their internal level editor worked

[faint plinth]

My rough plan is:

1. Merge the current PR that lays the groundwork for further rendering work (but doesn't leave the renderer in a particularly useful state yet)
2. Work on getting the scene to actually be responsive to changes and different timestamps within the event, even if it's still in a clunky way
3. Work on fields generally, including but not limited to:

• Loading field objects in the render
• Using the texture bins so it's not Green And Pink Forever
• Loading Palace fields properly from their MAP files

As for wireframe display........... I don't know 😅

[jolly epoch]

I disagree, it's pretty handy already

well

can the renderer do dialogue?

or messages, rather

[solemn zealot]

what if we had a date on the bulky white cross... haha jk... unless 👉 👈

[faint plinth]

Nope, no message display yet.

[jolly epoch]

so how does the timeline for it work then?

[faint plinth]

It doesn't respond to the timeline at all yet, lolll.

[jolly epoch]

ah

lol

[faint plinth]

That's what I meant by #2 in the list.

[jolly epoch]

well I figured it'd at least show you animations

but eh

[faint plinth]

It is very dumb at the moment and just loads the first position / idle animation for every model.

Purely blocking, basically.

The rest will take some data structure work that I'd rather make into its own separate PR.

[jolly epoch]

👍

sounds like a lot of work ngl

even with the already existing evt tool as a guide

[faint plinth]

EvtTool doesn't have any of this info, lmao. The beta build event editor helps, but it doesn't really tell me how to implement this sort of thing 🤷 So, gotta put my real engineering pants on.

Beta build event editor also doesn't include any stuff about fields (at least not in the patched version I use because I didn't feel like getting fields working....)

[jolly epoch]

well I figured that the way evt tool parses the information would be handy

[faint plinth]

I have long gotten all the info I can out of EvtTool, sadly.

[jolly epoch]

aw

well anyway

[solemn zealot]

how the engineering pants look like

[jolly epoch]

I was thinking of adding some extra events to my mod that kinda go over information that should be directly communicated to you but for some reason isn't

[faint plinth]

Baggy sweatpants

[solemn zealot]

why the pants sweat, are they stupid?

[jolly epoch]

yes

[jolly epoch]

but like idk whether it'd be funny or not for my mod to do this despite supposedly being a cursed mod

[faint plinth]

Depends on how you present it, I suppose.

[jolly epoch]

it would just be a bit funny to me personally to have features that don't quite match the description of the mod and people have no idea which mod they're using added them in or if they're just part of the main game

only small things ofc

another thing I was thinking of doing is giving a buff if you romance someone and a penalty if you romance multiple people

but It'd only check for vanilla romances

basically have romance have some impact on gameplay beyond access to some special events

[faint plinth]

Well, it ain't 100% there, but that wasn't actually too hard....

[ocean acorn]

ryujis leg broked again

[faint plinth]

Hitboxes are OUTTA HERE

[ocean acorn]

it looks so weird with neutral lighting 😭

[faint plinth]

Lmao, yeah. For actually showing the env settings in the render.......... I have absolutely no idea how that's going to work

[jolly epoch]

niiiiiiiiiiiiiice

[solemn zealot]

uh... so... is... is there really no way to check for multiple variables? i mean, i can frj_, but this seems so hacky. i guess there is always flowscript for the more complex cases, but checking 2 different variables at once shouldn't be complex

dangit atlus

[ocean acorn]

if you mean like the global variable thing in the condition section of commands, no but you could use a flow procedure to set local data based on the value of a flag, count, etc

[solemn zealot]

yeah but its quite overkill for simple things

i guess they never did it much

[ocean acorn]

they use it for like dates to check for both romance route and rank 10

[faint plinth]

I'm afraid that setting local variables in flowscript and/or using FrJ_ really is the only way 😔

Stuff that's more complicated than that is sort of anathema to the linear timeline inherent to EVTs, so it mostly gets done in pure flowscript 🤷

[faint plinth]

It's kinda wild how differently Royal-exclusive fields are modeled than vanilla fields, specifically in terms of how much they rely on field objects outside of the main GFS. Like, Jazz Jin and Penguin Sniper look basically complete without any objects loaded... meanwhile Leblanc looks complely gutted, not even the bar or anything....

I guess the old way was for the sake of some optimization for the PS3, but aside from individual file size, I can't think if what the benefit would be.

[jolly epoch]

Props are typically separated from regular map geometry, I was surprised to see any

[faint plinth]

Not props -- field objects.

Different things! Field objects are more or less inherently part of the field, with nodes for their attachment built in.

But yeah, Royal fields... not many of those at all!

Leblanc is just a wooden slab with zero furniture aside from the chairs loaded by the event, RIP....

Like, when would you ever see Leblanc without the literal bar....

[solemn zealot]

sojiro went broke

[faint plinth]

The bar's hitbox is in there but the model of the bar is not..... why........

[amber moth]

The only thing I can think of would be that they did it due to a limitation back when they made it and/or it was easier to do.

[faint plinth]

For sure. I just don't know what that limitation would be, other than individual file size.

[amber moth]

I mean the newer p5r assets are actually less optimized and are a bit more rough. Like maruki and sumi's texture maps not being cleaned up.

[faint plinth]

True....

[solemn zealot]

maruki feet jumpscare

[amber moth]

the tie especially they didn't really clean up

[rocky kelp]

when LeBlanc is all trashed??

[faint plinth]

Even the bar and booths and everything???

[rocky kelp]

idk

[solemn zealot]

sojiro'll have to buy a new countertop

[jolly epoch]

I'm talking in general

In source any object that isn't an entity or map geometry is considered a prop

[faint plinth]

Kamoshida's intimidation tactics are truly sickening....

OK, if anyone wants to try out the branch psy/asset-management, it's up + unmerged. I still need to do some cleanup, but some basic Windows testing would be nice 🙏

What to expect:

• The bootstrap script needing to be re-run first!
• Events may take a few moments longer to load than before (for obvious reasons)
• The rendering tab will show some very basic blocking of the field and initial model positions + animations
• Assuming you're on P5R, fields should show up with their textures (but my initial tests of the P5 beta suggest field textures aren't working there just yet)

What not to expect (yet):

• Any responsiveness of the render to changes you make (without reloading, at least)
• Palace fields to show up at all, lol (black void be upon ye)
• Fields to look complete, because field objects aren't working yet
• Crashes... ideally. But this hasn't run on Windows yet, so it'd be nice to confirm that 😅

[amber moth]

I'll take a look at it in a bit

[faint plinth]

It's just you, me, and this beautiful jpeg floating in the void....

[rocky kelp]

omg gay joker mention

[faint plinth]

I'm just opening up a bunch of different events I have floating around to test the changes, haha.

[solemn zealot]

homosexual jonkle

[faint plinth]

As far as I'm concerned, all jonkle is homosexual

[solemn zealot]

tbf the jpeg is beautiful

[ocean acorn]

bootstrap script aint working

[amber moth]

looks like it works on windows

[amber moth]

are you still on windows 10?

[ocean acorn]

yes

[amber moth]

interesting

whats the error?

[ocean acorn]

uhh theres 10 morbillion of them and i cant seem to copy-paste cmd log

[amber moth]

what about at the very end?

[amber moth]

oh you're using vscode

[ocean acorn]

its just an endless wall of error: patch failed: above this

[amber moth]

I haven't used vscode to build EVTUI so i'm not sure what it could be

[ocean acorn]

i tried just double clicking the batch script from file explorer but that also failed to build

[faint plinth]

VSCode does some weird shit for some reason....

[ocean acorn]

vs

[faint plinth]

Or VS does, rather 😅

Are these issues from a fresh clone?

[amber moth]

still failed to beat git bash so skill issue

[ocean acorn]

i checked out branch and then immediately double clicked the script from file explorer so yea

[amber moth]

But did you remove the old EVTUI before doing that?

[faint plinth]

Yeah, I dunno how to make it VS-friendly Sure would save a lot of trouble, but I don't even know if it would help anything for me to set that up from Linux.

[ocean acorn]

thus far ive just been building by opening command prompt in vs and copypasting the build command in the readme into it
lmao

[solemn zealot]

it worked for me

[ocean acorn]

no one said anything about deleting the whole-ass thing so no

[amber moth]

Usually I just do that every time for posterity.

[faint plinth]

Might be worth a try to delete the old version. Your data is stored elsewhere, so assuming you can get it working again (lol), it shouldn't hinder anything.

Or just to make a fresh copy in another location.

[rocky kelp]

i got errors running the script too

[faint plinth]

Oh, hm, it looks like the Windows bootstrap script doesn't reset the dependencies, which may be the issue....

[ocean acorn]

yeah that did it

[faint plinth]

OK, cool. I should figure out a way to get the Windows script to clear out the dependencies before trying to update them, since that seems to be the issue.

[rocky kelp]

tried with sudo didn't do anything different

[ocean acorn]

wait hold on

my dumb ass accidentally built main

[faint plinth]

LOL, whoops.

[amber moth]

it happens

[faint plinth]

Let me push a quick change to the Windows script to see if that makes it a little friendlier to rebuild....

[rocky kelp]

sanity check lemme run main's script

[solemn zealot]

POGGERS

[amber moth]

oh yeah right anns mask does do that