EVTUI (Visual event editing tool)

[rocky kelp]

fem jonkler doesn't change much

she has the same personality as male jonkler

[jolly epoch]

Yeah but pronouns

[rocky kelp]

will kasumi be saying he lmao

[jolly epoch]

Since I'll be using he/him for any custom events

[jolly epoch]

If there's a reason to

Which there will be

Since I wanna use a bitflag that checks if you went with her on hawaii

And use it for some custom dialogue in the gift shop

[rocky kelp]

i was thinking the same thing for the festival

[jolly epoch]

For now

I sleep

https://tenor.com/view/gmod-ragdoll-video-game-video-game-gif-20573521

[rocky kelp]

i should sleep too

[ocean acorn]

YuriStar

[rocky kelp]

shusumi yuri or ryuji...

[jolly epoch]

well do you prefer pegoryu or ryuann

(ryuann is pretty popular amongst shusumi fans, but idk if my view of the popularity is skewed)

[rocky kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[jolly epoch]

lol

yeah but if you like pegoryu better you could do ryuji and if you like ryuann better you can do shusumi

[rocky kelp]

i prefer pegoryu

[ocean acorn]

ryukita

[rocky kelp]

ryukita is good

my second favorite ryuji ship is ryumako though... lmao

[jolly epoch]

gosh I can never remember pitch yaw roll

[ocean acorn]

i think if i had to pick a ship itd be either ryukita or ryusumi
i guess ryuann for third place but shihoann better

this all assuming that poly is not an option though lmao

[rocky kelp]

I only like ryusumi with sumi as protag

polythieves my beloved

[ocean acorn]

tbh i probably shouldve included an asterisk with ryusumi about how i probably would be attached to it if theyd integrated sumire better since then thered probably be a dynamic you could see instead of just having to imagine it could happen

[jolly epoch]

if I haven't made it obvious enough yet, shusumi is top tier for me

[ocean acorn]

like why didnt the two athletes on your team have a hangout or a mementos conversation about hitting the gym and sharing warmup tips or something

[jolly epoch]

well the game kinda pushes ryuann unironically

not as much as like naoto x kanji or anything

but quite a bit

but yeah it feels like Sumire is more just Ren's friend rather than being a friend of the group

[rocky kelp]

tbh I disagree with that

ryuann is pushed much more as friends

[ocean acorn]

i feel like if i bring up biromantic kanji i basically have to turn into that one will smith men in black 3 joke or annoying people will think im a persona fan

[rocky kelp]

pansexual kanji

[jolly epoch]

Kanji's naotosexual (literally the only person he's interested in throughout the game lol)

[rocky kelp]

he never said he didn't like guys, just that it didn't matter and his insecurities had nothing to do with that

"it doesn't matter if it's girls or guys, I'm just scared shitless of being rejected" or something like that

[jolly epoch]

btw raven, was it you who said you didn't like having to load into the game constantly to check positions?

[ocean acorn]

"and if you see a guy who likes sewing, that does not mean hes into men! ...i am into men, but not because i like sewing"

[rocky kelp]

LMAO

[rocky kelp]

yeah

[jolly epoch]

I have a protip for you

[rocky kelp]

er what

[jolly epoch]

I have the scene loaded into blender on a second monitor

so I test positions in blender and then copy them over

[rocky kelp]

how??

[ocean acorn]

junpeitrue

[jolly epoch]

you load the GFS file for the map into blender, the assets you want to use, then you test positions in blender and copy over the coords

y is up in p5r's engine and z is flipped though

pitch is also flipped, just checked that

[rocky kelp]

yeah y is almost always 0

[jolly epoch]

but yaw matches up

idk about roll

well I say that because z is up in blender

anyway, this is how I test coordinates so I'm not loading into the game constantly

[rocky kelp]

I always thought the scenes in p5r were just 2d

[jolly epoch]

?

no

they're all 3d

[rocky kelp]

I know some of them are just 2d pictures

[jolly epoch]

or at least some I've tested

the ones I've tested anyway

[rocky kelp]

the akechi shelter scene is just a 2d image of a bathhouse

[jolly epoch]

if it has a gfs file you can still test it for proportions

it matches up in blender

although the scale makes some stuff not render properly

there's actually supposed to be a tree in the screenshot I sent but it's not rendering in

btw

anyone know what FOV the p5r camera uses for events?

[faint plinth]

It can be set in the commands, but I think the default is 45 degrees or so.

[jolly epoch]

👍

so that's what angle means?

maybe setting it to "FOV" would be better lol

[ocean acorn]

god damnit now i want to make that meme edit

[jolly epoch]

okay

so while positional coordinates match up

rotational coordinates only sort of match up?

yaw is accurate

but pitch is clearly off

between p5r and blender

nothing the tool can really fix until it has a renderer

[faint plinth]

Yeahhh, Lyn and I have struggled to find a one-to-one for converting rotation between GFD and Blender, unfortunately.

[jolly epoch]

yaw and roll match perfectly I think

it's just pitch that doesn't

it's inverted from blender but it's also not precise

[faint plinth]

I think there's a 90 degree offset there or something. But also some other shenanigans I haven't managed to work out.

[jolly epoch]

like -54 in p5r is nearly straight down, but positive 54 is looking up

whereas in blender it's nearly flat

btw @faint plinth how do I use target type for MLa_?

model specifically

I tried asset ID, model ID, but I can't get them to look where I want them to and it'd be so much easier if I could

rather than coordinates

[faint plinth]

Honestly, not sure. I got that info straight out of the P5 beta event editor, so I don't even know if the model targeting works in the P5R version of the engine.

Probably asset ID + bone ID?

[jolly epoch]

I'd expect it to

hmm

what's the bone id for the head do you think?

[faint plinth]

Hmmm... dunno 😅

010 editor (or Blender) may help there.

[jolly epoch]

no matter what I set it to they just look at the world origin :/

guess I'll have to do coords

[faint plinth]

Possibly the coordinates are supposed to be calculated in the editor based on whichever mode you choose, tbh.... In which case, I'd need to implement that....

[rocky kelp]

it doesn't seem to work right

i set a model id and the character just looks straight down lmao

i had to find the coordinates of where the character was at the time

[faint plinth]

I strongly suspect I'll need to implement the calculation of coordinates from target, tbh. But possibly it's still a matter of picking the right bone/helper ID. Either way, will be worth more testing alongside other positional previewing stuff.

[jolly epoch]

camera coords don't quite match up either but eh

we're getting somewhere

[rocky kelp]

why is the camera so high

[jolly epoch]

it smoked a lot of weed

and I haven't figured out where I want it yet

[rocky kelp]

i think it's going too fast too

i'd say put it more toward the middle

[jolly epoch]

easier said than done, for some reason it doesn't match up like model locations do

might be due to fov working differently between the two engines

fov in blender definitely doesn't match up

that might be the issue

[rocky kelp]

that looks better

[jolly epoch]

yeah 75 degrees fov for blender looks closer to what it's at in the game

and in the game "Angle of View" is set to 45

[jolly epoch]

@faint plinth don't change "Angle of View" btw

I looked it up and it is indeed a different concept from FOV

if you can find a way to translate it into FOV, that'd be handy, but probably unnecessary once you have a renderer

[jolly epoch]

@faint plinth are the msg selection conditions set up properly?

I can't get them to work using the UI

[balmy basalt]

ajda

Oh..... I know what the confusion is. I don't think the Msg_ editor UI (which is very old and needs an update) actually shows the fact that EvtLocalDataIdSelStorage is explicitly defined for each selection. Meaning...

im guessing maybe conditional index 0 is for players answer to sels since it's also 0 for an earlier sel

...that's often true, but it is defined on the Msg_ command with the selection in question. And I think I left that out of the UI for some reason 💀

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[faint plinth]

(AKA, I will be fixing this as I modernize the Msg_ UI, which I am doing currently, lol)

[jolly epoch]

ah

is it possible to fix in the UI itself or do I need the json for it?

like is it more of a lack of information problem or is it just up and not in the UI at all

[faint plinth]

I left it out of the UI (like a year or more ago when I did that part of the code... I think I just forgor ). So it's getting parsed, but there's no way to change it in the program. Using the JSON would be the workaround for now, unforch.

[jolly epoch]

gotcha

just lemme know when you push the update

I'll keep the json open for now to edit it

I found out why it wasn't working

the second Msg_ was given an EvtFlagId of 0x1

all selection ones I think have to have the same evtflagid

do you know what those are for specifically btw?

since if you do it could be converted into something that could be controlled by a drop down menu or something

[faint plinth]

Not 100% sure what you mean.

[jolly epoch]

EvtFlagId

for selections, every single thing reliant on that selection has to have the same id

or at least it has to be 0x0 maybe?

anyway, idk why

but the second one was given 0x1 and that broke the selection thing until I fixed it

[faint plinth]

The selection takes an argument that tells you which ID will store the result of that selection.

So, yes, you do need to then make sure you're referencing that same ID.

The thing missing from EVTUI (until I fix it) is the specification of that ID on the selection. But if you just let it be zero (the default), then you can fully do this in EVTUI.

[jolly epoch]

okay

but I copied the Msg_ from one that had it set to 0x0

and it was given 0x1 for no reason

because it was on the same frame maybe?

idk

[faint plinth]

🤷

Copypasting shouldn't change that. If it is, I guess that's a bug?

[jolly epoch]

this seems to be a problem for anything that uses conditionals

I've just had to go to the json to fix it for an animation as well

[faint plinth]

Hmmm, okay, that is a big problem. It changes the values in the conditonals?

Might have made a typo in the recent PR or something 😬

[jolly epoch]

while you're at it make sure you can change the flag values properly too, because they all just get set to "1"

[faint plinth]

That's the issue I mean.

[jolly epoch]

EvtFlagId gets set to 0x1 if there's more than one on the same frame it looks like

EvtFlagValue gets set to 1 for everything that uses a conditional too though

at least in my experience

[faint plinth]

Okay, weird. I'll look into whatever regression happened there.

[jolly epoch]

I'm just trying to make a different animation play for Sumi depending on what option you pick lol

oh

wait @faint plinth I think I know what's up

I think I've been misreading what these values mean

since they show up different in the actual json

[faint plinth]

Oh, yes. They are named differently.

[jolly epoch]

Condition Index = EvtFlagId right?

Conditional Value = EvtFlagValue

well now that I've set them let me check

[faint plinth]

Yes, that's right.

[jolly epoch]

yeah

so that's what was happening

now I get it

let me see if my changes worked

I was assuming that these conditions were referencing indexes from the selection itself

[faint plinth]

(I don't see any typos in the code at a quick glance, so 🤞)

[jolly epoch]

either way

[faint plinth]

Ah. The value field is where that would come in.

[jolly epoch]

I think that selections should work even as Msg_ is now

I was just using them wrong

I do have another problem though

for Fd__ specifically, but idk if it applies to others too, adjusting any frame parameters causes the pop up window to close

it makes it really annoying to move it

and I had to move the one at the end because I ran out of frames lol

oh it also happened for SBEA

other programs make it so that the value doesn't update until you unfocus the text box, maybe that can be a fix?

oh it's happening for everything now

it didn't used to do that

lemme try saving and reloading the project

nah it's still happening

even when using the arrows to move it around

[balmy basalt]

Probably unavoidable right now, but relevant to this:

ajda

As-is it can't be movable, no, but I am working on changing the way that works entirely.

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[jolly epoch]

idk if you're gonna leave it so that you can only open one, but if you decide to having it open in the center of the screen could also be good btw

just a suggestion, you might have a better idea

I don't wanna sound pretentious, sorry if I am coming off that way

[faint plinth]

The current plan is to get some kind of side panel situation working, but I'm open to other suggestions.

[balmy basalt]

Something like this but more polished, lol:

ajda

Getting wet 'n' wild in this branch 🥴
But I do think this timeline redesign will be worth it once I can sort out the mess.

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[jolly epoch]

well as long as all info is available no matter where you open it from

center, side bar, whatever

[faint plinth]

It'd be the same content that's currently in the little popups.

[jolly epoch]

I had the dumbest idea

for my mod I could add in a nether portal that'll randomly spawn in mementos that you can go through, and it has an event of Ren and Morgana meeting Steve, who does the Jack Black voice line and then they just awkwardly leave and you never see it again (I'll have it only spawn randomly and if a specific bitflag is off)

I wanna have like one or two minecraft memes in it

I heard there was an EPL editor?

but much like the EVTUI until you brought it up, I haven't been able to find a github page for it or anything

[faint plinth]

It's within the P5 beta.

So not a modding tool, per se.

[jolly epoch]

pfft

setting some facial animations

[faint plinth]

Lolll, yeah. Some of the blend animations are still a little wacky.

[jolly epoch]

darn

guess I'll just use the metaverse EPL file for the transition between minecraft world and mementos if I do that at all

...maybe I should keep a text file in the mod that lists every bitflag I use

[faint plinth]

Worth noting that the others brought it up, not me 😅 I usually don't go out advertising it because too many users in its current state would mean soooo much debugging. And most folks wouldn't be able to figure out how to built it, anyway

But I am very appreciative of the eager few who are helping to improve it 🙏

[jolly epoch]

if I release this mod before it's in a releasable state should I just credit you for the tool or for help with EVTs?

[faint plinth]

Either way is fine!

[jolly epoch]

well if you don't want to advertise it too much, that's what I mean

I could just say you helped me out with the custom events

I plan to credit as many people as I can think of for the tools they made

[faint plinth]

Oh, nah, the lack of release is a big enough blocker.

[jolly epoch]

TGE, ShrineFox, Sewer, Ryo, etc.

[faint plinth]

Feel free to mention the tool directly, it's not like literally a secret 😆

[jolly epoch]

aight

should I credit "ajda" or "DarkPsydeOfTheMoon" I assume both are you

[faint plinth]

Both are me, yes... I think I have a GB account if that's where you're posting it. Uh, what was it....

Might also be @ profpsyduck on there??

[jolly epoch]

yeah that's the plan

I decided to make a txt so I can remember

I plan to make a credits event though for some point in the mod

I might hijack the regular credits sequence?

or I'll just put it somewhere else

Sewer did both crifs and persona essentials, right?

idk if I'm crediting too many things to TGE but this is what's at the top of my head

afaik, most modding tools are based off of TGE's work though I think

or maybe it's just the ones ShrineFox made

[faint plinth]

A lot is based on TGE's work, yes.

[jolly epoch]

I haven't used Ryo's framework yet but I will eventually so I decided to add him in now

also I'll probably continue to add content onto my mod even after I make a release of it

[mellow gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-btr-ryo-ryo-yamada-gif-7376793041419411314

[jolly epoch]

ah!

btw please let me know if I'm misattributing anything to anyone

there's so many modding tools :(

[mellow gazelle]

well you're already crediting more than most, usually people just credit the ones that helped more directly than the authors of tools they used

[jolly epoch]

it only feels right after knowing how stuck I'd be without them

I'm not smart at all so I can't do the stuff myself to make these mods work

[faint plinth]

Probably also worth mentioning EvtTool for TGE, lol.

But agreed, you're already giving a lot of credit.

It's very thoughtful ☺️

[jolly epoch]

is TGE in the server btw?

or is he a mysterious man who just does genius things and then leaves without a trace

[mellow gazelle]

they're here but they've mostly gone outside maybe their personal server (even then i don't think they check up much nowadays)?

[jolly epoch]

oh the femulator stuff wasn't made by sewer

lemme update it

[mellow gazelle]

femu was

there are extensions of femu though, like the bf and other file merging made by others though

[jolly epoch]

ngl

it's kinda weird when people think I'm smart for being able to program when you guys all do way more stuff than I have any idea how to do yet

I've never really done anything involving hex editing or exe patching. I've exclusively done programs that more or less operate independently of any other exe file

though it is something I'm kinda interested in learning how to do

particularly because it'd be helpful for modding games that don't have large modding communities

like Dishonored 2

even if it's monotonous, knowing how to actually get it done would be kinda awesome

this is also why I want to credit you guys so much btw

[ocean acorn]

tbf ive never made a code hook

[jolly epoch]

you're still smarter than me

by like

a lot

p5r is the first game I've ever modded that didn't have official tools (made mods for, anyway)

ngl though

it's kinda crazy how much you can do with event files that atlus themselves didn't really take advantage of

like conditionals were rarely used for anything beyond dialogue and the paired animations, plus confidant points

but theoretically speaking

you can have an event progress in two completely different ways based on a selection if you wanted to

you can also run scripts in events, which opens up a whole ton of possibilities

ugh this is bugging me

how do you make the walking animation smoother?

I don't see any end animation for it I can use to make Sumi smoothly stop

[faint plinth]

I don't actually know 🤔 Something in the MMD_ command, surely, but I don't know what.

Something with the idle animation or with interpolation...?

[jolly epoch]

lemme try

yep

that's what it is

you just set interpolation to anything besides 0 and it smooths it out

it'll base it on the number of frames you have it interpolate

I set it to 10 and it works great

fyi

I don't think there's actually anything wrong with the way Msg_ is handled in my version

I'm more confident in that since I looked at the json

[jolly epoch]

like the currently available version, I mean

idk what those other values are for, but they don't seem necessary?

or setting them to 0 doesn't hurt anything

conditions seem to only care about EvtFlagId and EvtFlagValue

my struggles with crashing probably came from some initializer thing from the game over screen like I thought

[faint plinth]

Yeah, after looking at Msg_ parsing a bit today, I'm inclined to agree with you. The big list of entries seems unused -- they're only ever varied in extremely old EVTs, untouched since beta P5, and sometimes wildly ill-formed with no consequence.

[jolly epoch]

mhm

are you planning on implementing a way to create fresh EVTs eventually btw? it's low priority for now I'm sure

but once the program is more stable with editing existing events is it something you've thought of?

[jolly epoch]

well stability wise it's actually pretty good where it is now, so I guess moreso once the renderer is functional and we know what the rest of the calls actually do so they can be implemented

[faint plinth]

Absolutely, yeah.

[jolly epoch]

it hasn't crashed once since your patch btw

[faint plinth]

Minimally a way to, like, copy and rename an existing one, if not fully from fresh (but also that hopefully).

[faint plinth]

Oh, nice!! That should have covered most places where crashes would go uncaught, so I'm glad 🙏

[jolly epoch]

I copied over a version of the event I'm working on now with way less going on

it just has a couple of msg calls but everything else is just frame 1 stuff

I think having something like that be what loads by default (for stability purposes) that'd be enough whenever you get around to it

just some default assets

kinda like the infamous blender cube, point light, and camera

it seems like events just use cameras from the maps if there's no camera asset btw

I'm guessing whichever camera is 0

[faint plinth]

Oh, interesting. I sort of figured it would just make a camera at the origin or whatever, but that makes more sense.

[jolly epoch]

that's just an assumption on my part

it'd take more research to figure out how it actually works

another interesting thing I noticed

the character talking animation is automatic

but you can do it manually if you want to imply a conversation without any dialogue

[faint plinth]

Isn't it from a command in the BMD?

Lip flaps, or whathaveyou.

[rocky kelp]

yes

the model is vp and the bustup is f

but vp also controls the voice played

[vp 8 0 0 44 65535 0]
i think the 65535 is the trigger for the model

the 44 is the voiceline

[faint plinth]

65535 just means -1, i.e., skipping whatever argument would be there.

[rocky kelp]

hmm

[faint plinth]

However, I think in this case I think it defaults to the name?

[rocky kelp]

i'm just wondering what they do if the character makes a grunting noise but there's no dialogue

[faint plinth]

Like, there's a table mapping names to models.

[rocky kelp]

making the model lip flap would just be [vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]

[jolly epoch]

no, for the model itself

[jolly epoch]

oh does it do that for both?

neat

I've been setting that as the default since if you don't set a vp it'll skip it on auto

I'll modify it once the event is done to have actual sumi sounds

I need to do the actual bustups anyway

I haven't done them yet since they... don't exist

so I still need to make them :/

I'm no artist but I think some modifications to her summer casual bustups could make it look decent enough

[rocky kelp]

i think i have a bustup from kap of her in a towel

you could use that

let me find it

[jolly epoch]

well the reason that the summer outfit would be good is because both are off shoulder outfits, but idk how good either would be since I can't draw :/

[rocky kelp]

oh wait these are kasumi

[jolly epoch]

I can do 3d but that's it

either way, it's just the stuff beneath the face I'd need

then I can copy over the expressions

[rocky kelp]

yeah this looks like her summer casual blacked out

it mgiht be easier to work with

[jolly epoch]

it was the shading I was worried about mostly

plus the shape isn't exact

it's the closest thing I can think of though

it's a problem for later me

plus if worse comes to worst I might be able to ask an actual artist to help me

I know a few

ugh

I can't get the additive animation to reset

I'm trying to set it back to 0 but it's not working

[jolly epoch]

so you can't set it back to zero, but you can set it to something else ig?

[rocky kelp]

ye

wait

yeah you can zero it

[jolly epoch]

so I set it to 42 because that's the happy closed eyes animation

but it wouldn't go back to zero with the next MAA call

I had to do one that opened the eyes and then make it blink again

weird event stuff ig

[jolly epoch]

actually

I'll bet 0 is done that way on purpose

it's probably just the regular blinking animation and is meant to be compatible with any expression

[jolly epoch]

@faint plinth MRot keeps resetting to 0

[faint plinth]

Which field?

[jolly epoch]

rotation

idk if it happens with all of them

but it happens with Yaw

yeah it happens with all of the rotations

[faint plinth]

...oh, yeah, the code there from the last update did it wrong Simple fix, though....

[jolly epoch]

are you just gonna put it in the next big update to the program?

also

does MRot work as an addition or does it set the rotation?

I hope it sets it

[faint plinth]

I just did a quick fix from my phone, lol. Let me know if it actually works or if I broke it further.

It should be absolute rotation and not relative, but I don't actually know for sure.

I'm like 90% sure it just sets it.

[jolly epoch]

it appears fixed

[faint plinth]

Dope 😎

[rocky kelp]

phone fixes

🔥

[faint plinth]

Not the first time I've done it, and probably won't be the last!

[jolly epoch]

it works in the game too

[jolly epoch]

out of curiosity @faint plinth is any kind of feature that makes it easier to put animations and stuff in the middle of an event in the works?

the sidebar'll help I'm sure, but I'm curious of if you're planning to somewhat have this application be like a video editor or something, where you can select a lot of the calls at once and move their starting frames all at once

I thought about it because I realized that if I wanted to do any edit that takes up a significant number of frames in the middle of an event, I'm going to have to manually offset everything that comes after it

(I'll probably wait until at least the side bar update before I decide to do that to any existing events lol, just so it doesn't disappear when I move the starting frame)

[faint plinth]

I am planning to add a right-click option in the timeline to the effect of "Insert Frames After Current Frame" (+ specifying how many frames to insert, ofc).

[jolly epoch]

👍

Thanks

[faint plinth]

Being able to actually move commands around without opening them (or cut/pasting), let alone doing so with multiple commands at once, would also be nice -- so I want that, too, but it's not the highest priority.

[faint plinth]

Found a similar issue with MSD_ roll updating... I suspect there will be a number of similar issues after the big changes a few days ago. So it goes with sweeping changes and no one to really do code review

[jolly epoch]

at least cut and paste is fairly convenient for now

especially for patching up my own EVT mistakes

[jolly epoch]

ah

it's a good thing I haven't needed that then?

[faint plinth]

I did fix it, at least, so if you need it now it should work 😅

[jolly epoch]

lol

[jolly epoch]

oh idk if you're doing this already

but another feature the next update could have is to make it so that if a call overlaps another call in the timeline it'll always be in a different row

I got to experience a fun time when one call was covering another because the starting frame was different, and I couldn't edit the call as a result

since it only separates them if the starting frame is the same

[faint plinth]

Hm, I've tried to make it so that the ones in later frames always get rendered on top so there's no chance of that, but there may be some weird exceptions 🤔

Like, they visually overlap, but they should always be clickable at minimum on their starting frame.

[jolly epoch]

maybe I was clicking the wrong spot then? idk

I was just lucky they weren't fully overlapped

so like both were several frames long

[faint plinth]

Yeah, it's working as expected if you can click on each element at its starting frame, i.e., the leftmost edge (or the entire button, if it's only 1 frame). If that's not true, then it's a bug.

[jolly epoch]

I'll keep it in mind next time something like this happens

[jolly epoch]

can't seem to get MLa headshake to work

what's this field do?

seems to be to do with speed type?

[jolly epoch]

like it's always instant

no interpolation

[faint plinth]

I think it's both Motion Type and Speed Type in one.

[faint plinth]

Hmmm... might need to find a working example from an existing event and see what the difference is.

[jolly epoch]

maybe

I just removed it and replaced it with a MAB instead

for the time being

[faint plinth]

Yeah, fair. MLa_ is still kind of mysterious at the moment -- plenty of info on the labels, but not necessarily how all the pieces come together in-game.

[jolly epoch]

also I decided to take a different approach to how I construct it

I'm gonna do the BMD first for each scene and then construct the actual EVT

up to earlier today, since I was also experimenting, I'd been writing a message and then immediately implementing

btw

chapters are what determine the blue columns, right?

how do I place new ones?

oh I can just manually highlight it by clicking the frame number

cool

[faint plinth]

Indeed, not chapter-related. It's just an in-editor marker. Actually stored in the EVT header!

[jolly epoch]

👍

what are chapters for then? I assumed it was to separate scenes

and it doesn't impact the fast forward button either

[faint plinth]

Not totally sure, tbh. I think they can technically be used to pause the frames, but they don't ever actually get used that way. Fast-forwarding would have been my only other guess.

[jolly epoch]

maybe they were never finished in implementation?

like it was intended to be used as a skip feature

[faint plinth]

Seems weird for something that appears pretty often to be unimplemented, but not unthinkable I guess 🤷

[jolly epoch]

idk

I can't think of anything else

maybe making a custom scene without them at all might reveal something

either way

making custom events is fun

you should try it some time

I'm assuming you haven't done a full one yet?

[faint plinth]

Getting R2 to work reliably on Ubuntu is too annoying lol, and fully developing mods on my Steam Deck is also annoying. I'm kinda waiting for R3 to (hopefully) simplify it. But also I'm more interested in getting the tool up and running, so it would mostly be for testing, anyway.

[jolly epoch]

yeah

having p5r launch with mods wasn't really a problem if set up properly

but I do remember .NET applications having a lot of problems on Linux generally

[faint plinth]

WPF + wine = sadness 😔

[jolly epoch]

still

at least you can play p5r with mods easily on steam deck

I might do a playthrough on my own steam deck of my mod once I think it's ready for a release

(not a 1.0, but when I think it has enough content to make new playthroughs interesting)

which is the big point

I think the most important changes will be balancing related though

I'm not gonna do that many custom events, though I may edit some BMD files

[jolly epoch]

balancing because those are the simplest to do that'll affect an entire playthrough

[faint plinth]

I wonder if Chap works with fast-forward but only in some debug mode. There are a few debug-mode-specific settings on other commands.

[jolly epoch]

maybe

[faint plinth]

Looking at some MLa_ head shaking from existing events... it seems like the coordinates are still set. But they're just set to the model's current position.

So it may be worth experimenting with setting it to coordinate mode, copying over the model's current position, and then switching it to headshake mode. If that works, I'm not sure if the best approach is to leave the coordinates editable outside of coordinate mode, or to copy them over from the model's last position under the hood.

[jolly epoch]

copy them from the last position

assuming the shaking is automatic, it's best to do it that way

if you want the character to look somewhere else first, just put another MLa_ with new coordinates I'd say

[faint plinth]

Probably so. Not sure if there's ever a reason to want it to be editable directly. But that also depends on whether this actually works for newly added commands, lol.

[jolly epoch]

imagine if someone made an EVT Editor in Gmod

and like it actually exported evt files

that community can get pretty insane when it comes to mods so it wouldn't surprise me

[faint plinth]

That would be neat! I am kinda surprised it's taken this long for anyone to dive this deeply into EVTs. But also not, because. They are very complicated 🥲 And Persona modding is still relatively niche.

[jolly epoch]

yeah

I mean

my first mod for it ever, which just put a flower in Sumi's hair, got featured on the p5r mods page

because it's just not modded that often

[solemn zealot]

tbf that just sounds really cute

i would feature <- biased

[jolly epoch]

do you want it?

[solemn zealot]

[jolly epoch]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/592903

there's three versions of the mod (since I didn't know how to do configs yet)

1 with events
1 without events
and 1 for the Sumire Overhaul specifically

the events are just a couple of edits to some early scenes

I added them not knowing they'd override languages, so I decided to make another version that doesn't have them

[solemn zealot]

wait they do?

[ocean acorn]

apparently always rankup is one of best of this year, which is funny when it was actually pretty easy to make and honestly not something i would myself use

[rocky kelp]

almost everything nowadays gets featured as bestof today

[solemn zealot]

people just want to say the funny/horny/whatever they want line while also advancing the game

[jolly epoch]

you have to put language support in FEmulator otherwise it'll default the events to english

[solemn zealot]

makes sense

[rocky kelp]

now something to celebrate is getting featured on the gamebanana homepage

my most low effort mod was listed as best of this week on gb lmao

[jolly epoch]

and it'll still default to english (or whatever language you programmed the event in) if it's an unsupported language

[jolly epoch]

like for confidants?

[ocean acorn]

technically they could just use speak your mind if that was all they wanted, clearly people just dont want to deal with confidant points at all

[jolly epoch]

but you can't get gifts with that

I just use the NG+ arcana boost, but not the always rank up

just so I don't have to always have the right persona

[solemn zealot]

do yours edit events?

if not thats why

[ocean acorn]

no it edits a ctd

[solemn zealot]

speak your mind changes the events instead right? and that can have compatibility issues

[ocean acorn]

it changes messages if thats what you mean

[solemn zealot]

yeah the .msg files

[jolly epoch]

p5r is like the easiest game in the franchise to get 100% confidants in

the extra month definitely helps

[ocean acorn]

chihaya the goat

[solemn zealot]

stuff like she/her joker or cat morgana easily conflict with that

[rocky kelp]

i think it's more fun to try and coordinate confidant points and stuff. also it puts useless personas in your inventory that you can use as fodder

[jolly epoch]

in my first p5r playthrough, I didn't finish Ohya until the third semester lol

and I only bothered because I had nothing else to do

[rocky kelp]

as soon as i unlock chihaya i gun to get her to level 5 where you can get confidant points

[ocean acorn]

i mean neither did i but thats partly because i put off the mementos request

[rocky kelp]

have my 100,000 yen chihaya

[ocean acorn]

100k yen is worth her cracked perks

(the shitty salt rock is nice too :V)

[solemn zealot]

for my second p5 playthrough, i got everyone BUT yoshida, because i didnt know it was only sundays

of course takemi was maxed in my first

this too. i hated they did that

[ocean acorn]

i got about half in og p5 and that was as a blind player lol

[rocky kelp]

yoshida is very easy to max bc he doesn't require points to rank up... for some reason

also i think yoshida is available on holidays

[ocean acorn]

i was about to say, that one has a clear plot reason

[solemn zealot]

mechanically its because he's only sundays

[ocean acorn]

i feel like the hard deadline and limited availability is probably why he requires basically no points lol

[solemn zealot]

was the shrine guy from p3 automatic too?

[rocky kelp]

i eventually got conflicted between yoshida and kawakami, so it's important to max him early so you can max kawakami early for massage

[solemn zealot]

oh. i never caught that

[ocean acorn]

thats not what automatic means

[solemn zealot]

semi-automatic

[rocky kelp]

like a gun?

[solemn zealot]

flintlock confidant when

[rocky kelp]

[ocean acorn]

tbh i feel like massage in royal is indirectly nerfed compared to og by 1) being able to still do things in leblanc after infiltration, and 2) having so many more free nights to begin with lol
like having full privileges after infiltration is still nice but not nearly so critical lol

and kawakami has greater availability anyway

[solemn zealot]

he's a bad boy

[ocean acorn]

shrimply clean the bathroom a bunch

[rocky kelp]

that gives you like 1 point of kindness

also i'm p sure you're cleaning all of leblanc not just the bathroom. i think that's just where the cleaning stuff is stored

[amber moth]

Real ones fertilize their plant with the best fertilizer for kindness.

[rocky kelp]

true! i forgot about the plant this playthrough though 😭

[ocean acorn]

although really i preferred to consume media for stats bc thats just how my preferences are, plus they are very slight content lol

[rocky kelp]

i love dvds

and books

and video games

joker the media consumer

[solemn zealot]

nerd

[ocean acorn]

"youre a psychopath who bakes for money" iconic

[rocky kelp]

i love that one

i always forget p5 came out around the same time breaking bad did

[amber moth]

I never noticed a gap. It's definitely not once a month. I always checked my plant🥰

[ocean acorn]

oh yeah i was gonna do a movie select mod because i was annoyed by the good father being only watchable on 2/2 after school (a timeslot where youd probably rather be getting ella lmao)

[rocky kelp]

well more like p5 was in development around breaking bad's releasing period

mod that changes the name of the dvds to the actual real life names

[solemn zealot]

p5 was in development while [insert very old thing]

[rocky kelp]

copyright infringement time

[amber moth]

Well your plant sucks and my plant doesn't

[ocean acorn]

i imagine someone could dig into leblanc flow and figure it out, i dont think anyone has bothered though lol

[rocky kelp]

p5 was in development whil supernatural was releasing

(supernatural ended in 2020)

i wanna make some new dvds with other show parodies

what would supernatural be

[solemn zealot]

i did edit to allow you to get confidant points of your own choosing by being all zen while feeding the plant, a mini chihaya. (my mod increases point requirements thats why) but i personally didnt investigate how many days the plant takes

[rocky kelp]

spacetesticles

[ocean acorn]

i imagine it would be a count that ticks down every day

[solemn zealot]

nintendo doesnt really care that much for random mods in another game tho

[ocean acorn]

preternatural

the dialogue should conspicuously resemble the infamous destiel momento

[solemn zealot]

gmod is big, and its all inside steam

[rocky kelp]

nintendo doesn't necessarily condemn modding, what it's gunning against is piracy

sadly modding goes hand in hand with that, since to mod you either need to jailbreak your console or emulate which is associated with piracy

[amber moth]

I think we should kill nintendo

[rocky kelp]

yeah same

i just want my pokemon legends z-a they/them mod

[solemn zealot]

nuance is dead and we killed it

true ig

[rocky kelp]

we're in evtui thread btw

[solemn zealot]

lmao

[ocean acorn]

wait what if you could read homestuck on the fucked up laptop
or tanaka sold you a book that was off brand homestuck

[rocky kelp]

poor ajda is probably like "help me"

[rocky kelp]

oh my god

i need to figure out how to make this now

we're not very good at staying on topic in this server

[ocean acorn]

i feel like thats active servers in general tbh lol

when its not so bad that mods have to actively wrangle them back on topic

[rocky kelp]

that happened yesterday but it was probably because i started talking about sex

[solemn zealot]

it uses the 1176 flag apparently

probably handled in the scheduler

[ocean acorn]

the game is in 2016 so actual hs wouldve just ended around the start of the game
brb projecting my salt opinions onto futaba

[solemn zealot]

i didnt see the l

[rocky kelp]

admittedly "sex under the shuake tapestry" is a very funny phrase

[rocky kelp]

as an easter egg futaba talks about homestuck in this mod, joker says "hey i read that" and futaba short circuits

[solemn zealot]

related to hawaii probably

but i am one

[rocky kelp]

LMAO

[ocean acorn]

you can talk to her after reading it and she goes on an overlong unhinged rant about vriscourse and setup and payoff

[rocky kelp]

i love this image it conveys so much emotion

[solemn zealot]

the little i saw of the pikmin fandom is... unique

[rocky kelp]

now that's something you'd have to write

i don't know anything abotu homestuck i just watched the animated pilot and became confused as all hell

[ocean acorn]

she makes an actual multi hour rant video because i keep telling myself im gonna make a multi hour rant video and this somehow costs you hp

[faint plinth]

Those sound like the temp flags that a bunch of events use and clear, no?

[rocky kelp]

ye

[solemn zealot]

sounds about right

[rocky kelp]

if you look at a lot of flowscript they turn on a list of flags then turn them off at the end

i'm not sure what they do exactly...

[faint plinth]

Different things in different events, I'd guess. No idea what the benefit of using them over local data would be.

Still, happens in a lot of events.

[rocky kelp]

god in some cases they prefer flags and in others local data... like come on

if they had just used flag checks in the evt instead of local data for conditionals for romance things would be so much simpler

[solemn zealot]

yup it is in the scheduler they turn it off based on GET_COUNT(25). so 25 is what keeps track of planty

[rocky kelp]

i'd just throw them in anyway. if the other hawaii events have them you should use them. you don't wanna break stuff

[faint plinth]

Should be, but you should also clear them at the start and end of the event to be safe.

[solemn zealot]

romances are so weirdly programmed in this game

[rocky kelp]

flowscript doesn't seem to have switch statements, so you end up with giant if statement sequences and not only that they check if you're rank 10 too which... like you made romance on a different slot for a reason? just check if the damn romance slot is rank 10 why add the bit chk??

like you'd assume they'd use the bitflag temporarily in this sense just to see if the confidant goes to friend or romance rank 10, but they keep using it even though they went through the effort to make the romances different confidant slots

actually they'd just use the flag to set the slot

they do

what i'm saying is it's likely switch statements weren't in flowscrip to begin with

i have no clue. maybe it's because they don't use it in large swathes? evt's control most of everything

the executable also controls all of the battle stuff... funnily enough

except for scripted battle events

tbls control other things in battles though... idk what they used to program the tbls

[solemn zealot]

at least we have that. imagine if battle events were in exe

[rocky kelp]

rn we only have templates for the tbls and haven't exactly decompiled them

[solemn zealot]

big js file

[rocky kelp]

i mean we just haven't decompiled them right

[solemn zealot]

(not factual)

[rocky kelp]

xml 😭

since it was for ps3 i suppose it'd have to be playstation friendly

[solemn zealot]

i prefer json

[rocky kelp]

xml is confusing

json better

i mean yeah same

[ocean acorn]

most of them are also checking for rank 10 too though

[rocky kelp]

that's what i mean

but they're in a whole seperate confidant slot if they're romanced

[solemn zealot]

use Ins key on your keyboard. this way it doesnt add stuff just replaces

[rocky kelp]

yes

this is why unhardcoded romance needed to exist

errrr

[ocean acorn]

they compile into some other shit because if you decomp them again they look like the most dogshit if-else youve ever seen

[rocky kelp]

probably not gameplay per se... unless the fight has a script file

or you want to go exe hunting

bitflags are hex, so you can do bitflag stuff in the exe

you can ask ai to compute the hex for you

[solemn zealot]

don't you just replace the . . . . ? i didnt edit name.tbl but this is how i changed the confidant names (names like back-alley doctor etc)

[ocean acorn]

no?

[solemn zealot]

it was cmmName.ctd

must be why

[ocean acorn]

because each section has a bunch of pointers for the start of each name, and then the actual names

[rocky kelp]

aren't the dialgoue that plays out during battle a keyfree event?

[solemn zealot]

why isnt this in the names.tbl...

[rocky kelp]

also if you edit a battle's script file you can change the actions of the characters i suppose

[ocean acorn]

if you wanted to make a longer name youd have to edit the respective pointer and then every pointer after, which is why ppl just use nametbleditor

[rocky kelp]

it's an event controlled by flowscript....? i think

yeah no evt

think the dialogue in palaces

yeah that's the point of akeyfree

it adds evt animations

idk where the name comes from...

[solemn zealot]

must be because the format is different from the one i was thinking of. cmmName.ctd is like this

54 61 65 20 54 61 6B 65 6D 69 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

here it says Tae Takemi. seems like anything inside this block counts. there's a lot of space

[ocean acorn]

oh yeah that ones prob just a c-string with a large buffer

[rocky kelp]

you can tell just by looking at it???

i am amazed by programmers

[solemn zealot]

no

reply to wrong comment

but you get what i meant

[rocky kelp]

skilled gamer

[solemn zealot]

i can tell there is a lot of empty space tho

[solemn zealot]

its me

[rocky kelp]

i have a bit of computer knowledge just bc i've been on computers my whole life... plus i think it might be genetic since my brother's a programmer

[ocean acorn]

yeah it should consider the end of the string to be when it hits a \0 ie. null terminator, which is what the 00s are

[rocky kelp]

i find most technology intuitive

[solemn zealot]

im not sure there is a computer gene. but people do read stuff differently based on how their brains process the world

[rocky kelp]

cognition...

[solemn zealot]

...

PERSONA 5 REFERENCNENEN???

[rocky kelp]

no straight up that's what that is

lmao

perception or cognition,

perception's a bit more simplistic, cognition is more of the advanced neuropsychological concept

[solemn zealot]

this is literally what the second lesson in the game says (im editing all lessons )

[rocky kelp]

they should bring more attention to cognition being psychology

cognitive "psience" what if i kill you

ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON JUNGIAN PSYCHOLOGY

[ocean acorn]

admittedly the main reason i picked cs to major in is just because it seemed like a thing i had skills for and could make dolla off of
ive always been good at math and puzzles and patterns lol

[rocky kelp]

i chose psychology because i was passionate about it

[ocean acorn]

iirc in japanese its some kind of pun where they use a different kanji than normal? idr for sure

[rocky kelp]

i'm thinking of combining my skills though and becoming an intellegence agent

[ocean acorn]

i also like psych tbh

[solemn zealot]

there are multiple types of intelligence, and that's the one that seems to be what school rewards the most, propping up kids that are lacking in other types of intelligence that should be trained as well—

okay im rambling

[ocean acorn]

idk about doing psych stuff for a living although tbh i have frankly no idea what to do with myself period lol

[rocky kelp]

*intellegence analyst

idk why i always get that wrong

[solemn zealot]

how many trues you have

[rocky kelp]

a lot

hold on

[ocean acorn]

but also im not sure why you brought it up lol

[rocky kelp]

actually nvm that'd be spammy

the last part of what you said

[solemn zealot]

because you said of your type of intelligence, and that just reminded me of the many types lol

this is evtui chat btw

[rocky kelp]

we love being off topic

[faint plinth]

Yeah, they use a sort of esoteric kanji that gets across the same woo-woo sense as the "ps" does in English. Pretty genius localization of an insanely language-specific pun, tbh.

[ocean acorn]

yeah

[solemn zealot]

more stuff lost in translation like shujin academy

[ocean acorn]

honestly when i sit on it its a mystery how anyone does cogpsi reasearch at all so no wonder its treated like woo-woo shit in-universe

[solemn zealot]

why people don't get their personas are they stupid

[rocky kelp]

wait what?

shujin academy is a mistranslation?

[solemn zealot]

smth about prisoner and shujin

[rocky kelp]

shujinku means protagonist... idk

[ocean acorn]

(wasnt jung himself kind of a woo-woo sort of dude, actually? i think i read that freud didnt like that about him)

[rocky kelp]

i thought maybe it was called something else since shujin is a prep school

jung's stuff is a bit...

a lot of his stuff leans on pseudoscience and the supernatural

[solemn zealot]

no its a literal one. i dont know how they would translate it

[rocky kelp]

but most formative psychologists had no backing since psychology was seen as a psuedoscientific field until the 1900's

[solemn zealot]

the hiragana says shujin

[rocky kelp]

so even freud's stuff has no backing lol

and A LOT of psychology today is based on freud

cbt

[ocean acorn]

主人 (master) vs 囚人 (prisoner)

[solemn zealot]

cbt

[ocean acorn]

note that 主人公 is protagonist

[rocky kelp]

cbt is the most widely used therapy (even though it doesn't work for certain types of disorders) i would say like 95% of therapy, and it comes from freud

kanji is kind of cool but also annoying. if japanese just used spaces there'd be no need... but alas

correct

bc japan was like "let's steal china's writing system"

then they forced it on korea

no

china was one of the first (in modern history) to develop writing so

it makes sense why japan was like oooo yes please

[solemn zealot]

i was unaware of master. i wonder if this ties to the theme

but shujin is not because protagonist im sure

[faint plinth]

I don't want to be a killjoy, but this is very off-topic 😅

[rocky kelp]

well... i don't think so lol

but anyway

i need to head home so goodbye

[ocean acorn]

later

[rocky kelp]

shujinku meaning protagonist and the 主人 being in front is just a coincidence

💀

real

[ocean acorn]

*shujinkou

[solemn zealot]

i was actually gonna say a dialogue from the game that the translators seemed to have given up. a student complains of the school and calls it 'shujin-prison academy' or smth like that

[ocean acorn]

this is also why ships are called shuake, shukita, etc

[rocky kelp]

woops

I know that one

I had to look up that once

[rocky kelp]

pe (persona) go (five)

[faint plinth]

One last bit of off-topic-ery just to say: having a giant tapestry in your bedroom is always slightly ridiculous no matter what you're doing. See: this post my wife made about the situation 🤦😅

[faint plinth]

Context was the very off-topic convo in the P5 modding channel yesterday. It is not a joke (except for the fact that it is an inherently funny situation lol)

[solemn zealot]

btw do events have logic in them? like executing a function or comparing values etc

i know bf files sometimes do

[faint plinth]

Commands can have logical conditions, yes, and also entire procedures can be run from a BF script via EVT command.

[solemn zealot]

i was thinking that the stuff in the bf files was called by the evt itself

[faint plinth]

That's true.

Scr_ commands do that, plus you can specify an init procedure that runs at the start of the event without a command for it.

[solemn zealot]

i assume that the inits in every one of these bf files are called? even when they are empty?

[faint plinth]

I believe so, yeah.

The index of the procedure that runs on init can be specified in the EVT header, but I think it's only ever zero or above -- i.e., if there's a script, there's an init function, even if it's empty.

(At least, I don't remember seeing any -1s there.)

[solemn zealot]

have you investigated the evt of that event when someone asks if joker is thinking of marriage, and the girls have different reactions based on their romance state?

i dont believe i could actually do anything in the flowscript itself

i dont think there are many places the game handles a lot of logic in the event itself

[faint plinth]

That's almost certainly a case where there are FrJ_ (frame jump) commands that run based on variable checks, i.e., if you're not romancing one of the girls, the event will skip past the frames with her romance-specific dialogue.

[solemn zealot]

thats an interesting way of handling this

[rocky kelp]

HELP

[faint plinth]

That's how the game usually does it in most events!

[solemn zealot]

oh so the name doesnt matter at all then?

[faint plinth]

It shouldn't matter, no.

[solemn zealot]

quite different from flowscripts. so evts are like... deterministic sequences of events? idk how to phrase that

[faint plinth]

Yeah, they're fully sequential. Think like a video editor timeline.

[solemn zealot]

... makes a lot of sense considering what they are used for

[rocky kelp]

ajda you are who i hope to be in the future... fujo 4 fujo marriage with a beautiful wife who shares my favorite ships

[faint plinth]

If you believe it, you can achieve it 🫡

[rocky kelp]

(hopefully my boyfriend dowsn't find this message )

i've been trying to convert him to being a fudanshi thoguh lolol

[solemn zealot]

🎵 I hope my boyfriend don't mind it
It felt so wrong, it felt so right
Don't mean I'm in love tonight

[rocky kelp]

i used to love that song when i was a kid

[solemn zealot]

just realised. this coming from my name is quite fitting

[rocky kelp]

commenting on this, didn't we find they did some weird evt local data stuff instead of just doing bitflag checking? lmao

[faint plinth]

They usually do, yeah 😔

[rocky kelp]

bruh moment

overhauling the evts to make use of bitflags instead of whatever this is smh

[solemn zealot]

what it checks specifically?

[faint plinth]

Dunno about that one in particular, but for whatever reason, romance checks always involve some weird seemingly-unnecessary variable setting in the init procedure.

[rocky kelp]

in flowscript it checks bit flags, sets evt local data

when evts have the function to check bitflags

[faint plinth]

Sometimes they're checking for both romance and rank 10, but sometimes just the former. In which case. Unnecessary!!

[rocky kelp]

they usually do check rank 10, but for the marriage scene, i think it's fine even if they're rank 9, since you enter a relationship in rank 9 (unless you're kawakami, or ryuji in gay jonkler)

[solemn zealot]

the poor japanese guy that worked on this is being blasted a decade in the future by fans sniffing on the code. rip

[rocky kelp]

correct

[solemn zealot]

'are you thinking of marriage, joker?' this scene

with the most milquetoast lameass reactions from the girls

[rocky kelp]

he was probably just looking at what the others did, saw they checked rank 10 as well and was like "well guess i'll do that too"

does this event happen during shido?

in which case... early violet

i'm going to be adding events for early violet

since all it really does rn is insert her into the party

no story changes

[solemn zealot]

you would be dating ||the wrong person|| but that can have quite an interesting narrative arc too imo, specially if they gave the player an actual breakup (the horror) because she needs time

i will have my own 'early violet' to fit my own story

[rocky kelp]

it adds one custom evt (with no animations, but fair since it was done with evt tool) of her being initiated into the party, a scene in shido's palace where she recieves her code name, and that's it

oh and it edits the scene where she says no to joining

[solemn zealot]

its quite awkward her just following you to the cup

||cup = yaldabaoth||

ill have her fuck off after shido

[rocky kelp]

ehhh as fun as that would be... 1. it'd be difficult since idk if the confidan lock is hardcoded and 2. it messes with the story a bit too much for my taste

i think it's fitting you can only romance her once she's sumire

[solemn zealot]

talking about it. i think i will actually do this when i get there

i think it would be interesting to explore that

[rocky kelp]

i'm thinking maybe...

how about like an "i'll think about it" on rank 5

[faint plinth]

Could be a thing where she feels uncertain about it for reasons she can't explain yet, yeah.

[rocky kelp]

maybe she confesses to joker and he's like "i think you need to understand yourself a bit more..." or something

it's implied joker knew i'm pretty sure. he picks up her id on the ground and it said sumire? right?

[solemn zealot]

it would make more sense for her to be uncertain

[faint plinth]

It could be fun if Joker confesses to her as Kasumi, but she confesses to Joker as Sumire.

[rocky kelp]

inserting sumi into the evt's is gonna be such a pain though lol

i can see why atlus skipped out on it

[faint plinth]

I thought it was implied that he didn't know because the change in cognition also affected him 🤔

[rocky kelp]

oh wait you're right

[solemn zealot]

when is that? if its the same event we get faith rank 1 isnt that we got 'kasumi yoshizawa' and thats how our cognition of her got caught in the brainwashing of maruki, while everyone else was like "youre one weirdo girl"?

[rocky kelp]

like the id did say sumire but it was changed

the reason akechi wasn't affected was because he knew kasumi and sumire beforehand

[solemn zealot]

i dont think anyone ever refers to her as kasumi right?

[rocky kelp]

the thieves say "yoshizawa" out of politeness

[solemn zealot]

joker is the only fool lmao

[rocky kelp]

akechi calls her yoshizawa probably to avoid calling her sumire

no i think the thieves didn't know that's just what japanese people do when they're not close

[solemn zealot]

anyone that watched anime knows that. im saying that the joker is the only one that got affected by her cognition change

[rocky kelp]

tbf akechi doesn't refer to anyone by their first name before third semester though... and even in third semester i'm pretty sure he only refers to joker by his first name

[golden willow]

we do though lol

[rocky kelp]

but it doesn't work

and even if it does it'd probably only work with vanilla p5

[rocky kelp]

when he called joker akira in my playthrough i nearly squealed. i'm such a fujoshi

[solemn zealot]

everything eventually leads to akeshu here huh

[rocky kelp]

if i'm involved it will

[golden willow]

tbf i've never tried event editing using the 2014 editor

[rocky kelp]

persona 5 is shuake (confirmed by p5r end credits song)

/s btw lol

[solemn zealot]

the 'stealing hearts' stuff is just a big metaphor for joker stealing akechi's heart

[rocky kelp]

right

that last stanza really hones it in

you can interpret it platonically. i'm just saying it's about akechi and joker

anyway

we love daylight savings

anyway continuing on, for the early kasumi romance, i can see joker saying wanna date lol

[faint plinth]

It's missing a lot of modern commands + outputs pretty outdated command + EVT versions, which you probably know. I've managed to parse the ancient-version output EVTs, but I don't know whether the P5R engine would 🤔

[solemn zealot]

i didnt get the vibe of interest at all while she was kasumi tho

she finding out who she is herself is what allows that

[rocky kelp]

in that way you can still go on dates with sumi even if it's like a limbo period. people do that anyway, like... not everyone gets into a relationship automatically

[solemn zealot]

"you can interpret that platonically"

[rocky kelp]

i think the later dates for valentines and white day will require you to be rank 10

(i've been tempted to do a combination with gay jonkler and sumi romance for royal trio because... yeah)

dude you just said "headcanons are headcanons" before. don't be contridictary

[solemn zealot]

she is the only one to confess to you instead of the other way around at least

[rocky kelp]

haru kind of... does?

[solemn zealot]

oh yeah haru too

them both canonically like joker

[rocky kelp]

i think you're letting you love for shusumi blind you. it's not canonical .they left it vague for a reason

[faint plinth]

Can we not shipwar in this thread, please

[rocky kelp]

sorry

anyway i might make that at some poitn but i got other stuff on my plate

idk if anyone woudl be interested in the royal trio one... i know not a lot of people like that ship

[solemn zealot]

thinking of sumi's story makes me think how fitting the lovers arcana is for her. her unresolved disharmony from her relationship with her sister. the crossroads she finds herself in ||(and has the major decision made for her by maruki)|| before she finally finds harmony in her sense of self and makes the major choice to be sumire

[rocky kelp]

that's a cute one

[solemn zealot]

i like that ship i think its funny

[faint plinth]

It's all good, gang. Just trying to keep it clean in here ✌️

[solemn zealot]

i play a lot with different tarot spreads for the chars in my mod so i end up thinking a lot about this

[rocky kelp]

i read this really cute shuakesumi christmas fic, like it was in the style of the p5 christmas event. it didn't end too well which i didn't enjoy (the author kept making akechi suffer for some reason) so i was like i need to make one myself

[solemn zealot]

make a mod that adds the relationship in the third semester

[rocky kelp]

that's a tight squeeze

[solemn zealot]

thats what sh—

[rocky kelp]

but gay jonkler already adds it technically

the akechi romance i mean

i would probably make an every day check for both flags being active then call an event with the two of them

in the third semester

and a special valentines day event with sumi as they sad akechi is gone

i would probably keep white day as is with maybe a bit fo extra dialogue

[solemn zealot]

bury your gays smh my head /s

[rocky kelp]

if i was a bit more advanced with evts i'd end the event with a shadow of someone by the door of leblanc...

[solemn zealot]

make it be ryuji

[rocky kelp]

LMAO

[faint plinth]

BTW, I'm almost done with adding in the ability to insert frames in a way that would resolve this issue. I'll let you know once that's done because it will probably break something or other and need some testing 😅

[ocean acorn]

it is, i was looking at it the one time

[ocean acorn]

itd be funnier if there was an egg crack in a few years

[ocean acorn]

literally the opposite lmao

[rocky kelp]

i'm bad at reading i suppsoe

[ocean acorn]

futaba does

in en at least idk about jp

[solemn zealot]

so the thieves were oblivious unless it was a slip of translation

i actually dont remember what they say when the whole thing happens

[ocean acorn]

no one was affected she just misinfo'd to them lmao

that entire exchange was predicated on the assumption that maruki doing the thing affected anyone but her before third sem, which just isnt true skob

[solemn zealot]

joker's blanking of sumire's real name was in third semester true

[rocky kelp]

do you think akech iwent through something similar to joker in the sense that he like walked through the school or something

f-fanficiton material...

i think in my other fic i did something similar but instead of the school it was shibuya...

[ocean acorn]

they have like a whole exchange about how everyone who already knew her (and wasnt socially expected to say "yoshizawa-san") was probably using "sumire" the whole time and she just processed it wrong 😭😭

[solemn zealot]

yes? i never said that everyone got affected, just joker for seeing her as sumire already

[ocean acorn]

he didnt though

[solemn zealot]

then i misremembered and thats solved

[faint plinth]

I keep thinking about how fun this would be, lol. Sumire confession that's like "I know you actually like Kasumi and you'd never go for Sumire, but I need to tell you 👉👈......" The only problem would be that turning her down at that point would be more painful than rejecting Haru 🥲

But I love pain and angst 😈

[rocky kelp]

she only does that if you say yes to her as kasumi and no to her as sumire... cruel

that's what the player gets for leading her on

should you be allowed to date sumi even if you said no to her on rank 5

[solemn zealot]

obviously. she was not really herself back then, 5 ranks is enough time for joker to fall for sumire

[jolly epoch]

Ah

I think I found a way

to get accurate rotations

if I set the blender's camera rotation to 90 degrees, then I can use the delta transform to get a more accurate measurement

since I think 0 degrees is probably flat forward in p5r

whereas it's straight down in blender

that's probably what was confusing me

[jolly epoch]

you see

this is how you know I'm actually a moron

@faint plinth because you said this before

[jolly epoch]

the program's crashed twice on me tonight :/

yay

[faint plinth]

If you can get the Blender-to-P5R conversion to work 100% of the time, that would be huge 😭 because I swear this way usually works, except sometimes it seems like it's flipped for no reason....

[faint plinth]

Noooo... if you can pinpoint what you did prior to a crash, I can try to debug. But also hopefully crashes will now show up in the logs, maybe?

[jolly epoch]

you have the rotations capped at 180 in each direction in the program

might have something to do with it

since blender doesn't cap rotations

[jolly epoch]

idk

and I keep forgetting to check the logs

[faint plinth]

All good, just keep me posted if you do remember to grab the logs, or recognize a pattern to the crashes 🫡

[jolly epoch]

I'm nearly done with the event btw

[faint plinth]

Yooo??

[jolly epoch]

well it's gonna feel a bit scuffed

I don't have a lot of animations to choose from

[faint plinth]

Still! You work fast.

[jolly epoch]

but I just want to get the general idea together

[jolly epoch]

also it wasn't a huge scene

the idea was some introductory dialogue, three scenes showing them having fun together, and then an ending dialogue scene

also the time of day won't shift because Sumire is short on time anyway

I was thinking of doing what the other events did

but I decided against it

anyway

I'm finally to the final scenario

which will just involve Sumi saying she had a lot of fun before running off

I'm still gonna adjust things and revise some scenes, but later

I think before I implement this event I'm gonna work on other more cursed changes

I've been spending too long on this event

what the timeline looks like so far

wow

39 hours working on this mod (probably more than that since blender wasn't open the whole time)

and also I've been on this for more than two weeks

I'm surprised p5r isn't at the top of this considering how many times I've had to open it

anyway

I think that's enough time on the event for today

[jolly epoch]

I'm kinda tempted

after releasing this mod

trying to do a Doom Eternal mod, since that game has official modding tools

[solemn zealot]

poggers

show us when ready

[jolly epoch]

I kinda wonder if I could replace some 2d cutscenes with events instead

to goofify them

Rose & Violet (unless it's Kasumi as Protag) replaces the Futaba beach anime cutscene

but I don't have to do that to every cutscene, just some

or I could

[faint plinth]

Honestly, that would rule. I hate the anime cutscenes 😆

[jolly epoch]

I like the anime cutscenes, but if I can remake them with EVTUI I could make them funny

[bronze cargo]

Yeah, I did this for beach cutscene in R&V. It was quite a bit of work because the field they're in is very narrow and finding a good camera angle is pure pain.
There's probably a few other events that are doable I think (like the first encounter with Kamoshida in the car, if you don't actually show him. You could reuse the Yusuke/Madarame first encounter for that one), but some would require some custom animations or models (like the end of Futaba's palace... hum)

[jolly epoch]

I know 3d art, so I can modify some fields if I need to

even though GFS files tend to use the bin textures, you can still just pack the textures into the gfs file itself and it'll work in the game (has to be a square texture though)

[bronze cargo]

I'd say, a bit of thinking outside the box could work. It'd probably be easier to change the event a bit so it's not an exact duplicate of the animated cutscene

[jolly epoch]

I think I'll wait until ajda releases the feature that lets me insert calls and offsets everything that comes after them first though

I imagine that'll make modifying events a lot simpler

[bronze cargo]

Yeah, and a preview without launching the game would be very handy to prevent loss of sanity

[jolly epoch]

also good job on that mod