EVTUI (Visual event editing tool) | Persona Modding | Page 4

faint plinth Sep 18, 2025, 7:37 PM

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That'll do it 😅

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I still need to push the changes to logging / auto-fixing input with messy bytes, ah....

rocky kelp Sep 18, 2025, 7:37 PM

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yep it worked

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Naofacepalm jesus

rocky kelp Sep 18, 2025, 7:57 PM

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how is the clean up function going?

faint plinth Sep 18, 2025, 8:04 PM

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It works! I've just been stuck on the design question of how to replace the remaining Assert statements. Not a difficult problem, just kind of tedious naosmiley

ocean acorn Sep 18, 2025, 8:05 PM

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oh yeah i discovered last night i still get the bug of trying to load an existing project crashing if i dont first open the new project window and set a cpk path

faint plinth Sep 18, 2025, 8:06 PM

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Huh. You have to do that every time you reopen the program?

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Any error logs to speak of?

ocean acorn Sep 18, 2025, 8:07 PM

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faint plinth Huh. You have to do that every time you reopen the program?

opens program again to make sure yep

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silent crash, no exception window or anything

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(i built with the command in the readme)

faint plinth Sep 18, 2025, 8:10 PM

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Hmmm, if you just run it through dotnet run (or git bash, like CG does), you might be able to get some logs.

ocean acorn Sep 18, 2025, 8:12 PM

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from the gui folder, yeah?

amber moth Sep 18, 2025, 8:12 PM

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yeah

faint plinth Sep 18, 2025, 8:14 PM

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I gotta get the new PR merged so we can move toward better built-in logging, lmao.

amber moth Sep 18, 2025, 8:15 PM

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I think we need to kill atlus

faint plinth Sep 18, 2025, 8:16 PM

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Lol, I mean, this one is mostly on me, probably.

ocean acorn Sep 18, 2025, 8:16 PM

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the crash itself is still silent but this is what shows up in command prompt after dotnet run

📎 message.txt

amber moth Sep 18, 2025, 8:16 PM

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nah it's all atlus's fault

faint plinth Sep 18, 2025, 8:17 PM

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ocean acorn the crash itself is still silent but this is what shows up in command prompt aft...

Yeah, that's just the build warnings, so nothing here relating to the crash....

ocean acorn Sep 18, 2025, 8:21 PM

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i want to guess that the cpk path isnt initialized if you dont set it in the new project window
i see the path in UserCache.yaml though, when do you normally read it

faint plinth Sep 18, 2025, 8:27 PM

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I don't know why no one else would have seen this error 🫠

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I guess there needs to be an extra check for it somewhere, but idk where.

ocean acorn Sep 18, 2025, 8:28 PM

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i guess i could be getting onedrived but i dont think so, the mod directories are in onedrive managed folders but the game is very much not

faint plinth Sep 18, 2025, 8:29 PM

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If you make a non-onedrive mod project and try to open it in a new session, do you still get the issue?

ocean acorn Sep 18, 2025, 8:30 PM

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(reloaded works4me despite that although r2.5 does do a weird thing where it launches another instance of itself instead of opening the reloaded folder)

ocean acorn Sep 18, 2025, 8:30 PM

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faint plinth If you make a non-onedrive mod project and try to open it in a new session, do y...

lemme try real quick

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yeah, still crashes

also i had to try twice to create the project bc the first time also crashed

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lmao

faint plinth Sep 18, 2025, 8:33 PM

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femc

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We love a logless crash that only reproduces on one machine 🥹

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What are the exact moments of the crashes? Like, which button presses?

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If it's an intermittent crash that also happens during project creation, it makes me think it's an async issue....

ocean acorn Sep 18, 2025, 8:40 PM

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for loading a project, its when i hit "Load Selected Project & Continue"
the new project crash was when i hit "Create & Continue" after setting all the options (i just reproduced it to make sure)

faint plinth Sep 18, 2025, 8:42 PM

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The best I can figure is it's something with a void-returning async call, since errors there get lost to the... well, void. Still no idea why it's only happening to you, but it's a starting point....

ocean acorn Sep 18, 2025, 8:45 PM

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~~i feel like the token windows user here tbh lmao (win10)~~

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async void is for (dotnet) event handlers, yeah?

faint plinth Sep 18, 2025, 8:48 PM

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CG and Wisteria use it on Windows, at least! I think ShrineFox does now, too.

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But yeah, it's almost certainly some issue with an await around the time of project loading.

ocean acorn Sep 18, 2025, 9:06 PM

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pokes around with the new project crash
opening the new project window, setting cpk path, exiting, and then reopening the new project window seems to make new projects work, similar to the behavior with loading projects

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creating or loading an event after ive already created or loaded an event also seems to work as expected

faint plinth Sep 18, 2025, 10:14 PM

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It's something within the functions CreateProject/TryCreateProject and UseProject/TryLoadProject... if setting the CPK path fixes it, then that narrows it down slightly, but without error logs it's not clear whether the path is null somehow or if the directory appears to be empty at load time.

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My guess is that this.newProjectConfig.GamePath is null or an empty string for some reason. But why it would be, I don't know....

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The other option... does this happen if you totally clear out your UserCache.yaml? (Or temporarily rename it so the program gets a fresh start without you necessarily having to lose everything?)

ocean acorn Sep 18, 2025, 11:05 PM

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im in class rn so cant test, but ill keep that in mind

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 2:59 AM

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seems like evtui can't find files in the mod directory when the folders aren't named base.cpk, en.cpk, etc.

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i started naming them like this so i wouldn't get all the files mixed up and stuff so it'd be great if you could find a way to get around that

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or... not? i tried to open it with the cpk setup and it still didn't load the edited files... weird

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oh wait i know the problem lol. i forgot i changed to reloaded II.5

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how many dumb mistakes will raven make today? a lot, apparantely

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addition suggestion: editing path names for projects

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 3:15 AM

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I can't remember how it currently works, but I think it can read from custom CPK names but will write to the default names by default 🤔

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 3:15 AM

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lemme test now that i've changed accordingly

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 3:16 AM

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That is something I want to customize, though. And making project config editing easier in general.

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 3:16 AM

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nope... not loading it

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oh god damn it

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this is another issue on my end hold on

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ok no... i'm sure i'm doing everything right this time and it's still not loading

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i'm gonna end up with new new new new

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 3:20 AM

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🤭

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Lol, okay, can you send over your mod so I can see whether I can load it?

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 3:21 AM

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sure

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gonna take a sec. too big for discord so i have to upload to google drive

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k4LFrTdpRcwkgS3fsYKmVg_Mh1ZGO8RC/view?usp=sharing

Google Docs

p5rpc.event.r&vmaleromance.zip

ocean acorn Sep 19, 2025, 3:24 AM

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faint plinth The other option... does this happen if you totally clear out your UserCache.yam...

i moved it to another folder
am testing now

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creating new project works fine

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closing the program, then reopening it and loading the project i just made crashes

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i went to see whatd happen if i deleted usercache again, then tried to open an existing project i had made before doing so, but then i realized there was no folder picker in the load project window

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 3:42 AM

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rocky kelp i'm gonna end up with new new new new

finally

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fic names/essay names make it into evtui

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 3:42 AM

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it's gonna become shfgdhfsdhjfsdhf down the line if i'm making test mods

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 3:42 AM

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hello.txt new new NEW new new 8 NEW NEW FINAL final FINAL

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^ guilty of this bcs i sometimes fear i will randomly need an old version of a project

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 3:43 AM

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if reloaded didn't have such rigorous id naming i would be makign a lot of test mods named dhgsugshuigeru

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 3:44 AM

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true...

ocean acorn Sep 19, 2025, 3:44 AM

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you can name it whatever you want, people just name it in standardized ways so you actually know what the mod is

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 3:44 AM

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i name mine random garbage

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like mod test

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testing garbage

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help

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 3:44 AM

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fossil kettle ^ guilty of this bcs i sometimes fear i will randomly need an old version of a p...

i have to search through hundreds of file just to find the fic i'm working on

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 3:44 AM

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die

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etc

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 3:44 AM

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ocean acorn you can name it whatever you want, people just name it in standardized ways so y...

i just mean like, you can't change the id name later

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 3:44 AM

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you can

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 3:44 AM

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...you can?

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 3:44 AM

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just not through the gui

ocean acorn Sep 19, 2025, 3:45 AM

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you have to change the id in modconfig.json

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 3:45 AM

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open the mod folder and open modconfig.json

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 3:45 AM

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ah

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scary wall of text

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 3:45 AM

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then ctrl r and replace all instances of the old id

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and rename your mod folder to match (optional)

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 3:45 AM

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we should tell ryo to add id name changing through gui to reloaded II.5

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 3:46 AM

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this sounds like a use for the reloaded ii.5 thread in scarkadia

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~~i really wish the thread was still here~~

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 3:46 AM

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the thread is closed here

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idk what that server is

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 3:46 AM

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i'll dm u

ocean acorn Sep 19, 2025, 3:49 AM

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fossil kettle ^ guilty of this bcs i sometimes fear i will randomly need an old version of a p...

i actually keep 7zs of old releases of my mods lol
a while back gb added the archived files feature so i uploaded the pre-costume framework ver of p5d crossdressing

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 3:49 AM

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Good

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i would do the same for protag sumi but that would be a giant folder

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lost media noshit

ocean acorn Sep 19, 2025, 3:50 AM

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rip

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 3:50 AM

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ocean acorn i actually keep 7zs of old releases of my mods lol a while back gb added the arc...

... i have a folder of all my old releases

ocean acorn Sep 19, 2025, 3:51 AM

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understandable have a nice day

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 3:57 AM

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it's in my mess of a modding folder

harsh carbon Sep 19, 2025, 4:08 AM

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ocean acorn i actually keep 7zs of old releases of my mods lol a while back gb added the arc...

ive basically always done the same thing lol, just download the last file before i upload an update just as a backup

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 4:41 AM

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rocky kelp https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k4LFrTdpRcwkgS3fsYKmVg_Mh1ZGO8RC/view?usp=shari...

works4me

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Was there a particular event you weren't able to load?

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 4:42 AM

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718 090

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 4:44 AM

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naotoshrug

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Might be an issue where these aren't the lines being shown in the timeline, though.

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 4:50 AM

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oh, i did want to ask

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does anyone else get the occasional bug where the bmd loaded is the jp bmd

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you can fix it by just closing the window and reopening the evt but still

ocean acorn Sep 19, 2025, 4:59 AM

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there should be a dropdown to select between the one for your language and base.cpk

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 4:59 AM

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Yeah, that can happen if by whatever chance the JP file loads first. You can pick among any of the scripts in the tab, but only the one that loaded first will show up in the timeline, which is something I should make more flexible.

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The Msg_ display on the timeline hasn't been touched in a while....

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:02 AM

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yeah thats my main problem since sometimes it makes finding certain spots harder 😅

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:07 AM

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I can figure out a stopgap for that, if not a full solution, probably naothink

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:16 AM

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faint plinth Might be an issue where these aren't the lines being shown in the timeline, thou...

the vanilla ones just load for me for some reason

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ok i did it in cli and it loads

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but it doesn't display it

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like

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:18 AM

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In the timeline, that's also what I get. Probably related to the same issue Wisteria mentions re: the first one loading being what shows in the timeline -- in this case, the vanilla lines.

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:18 AM

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it's say ing it loaded the ones from my mod but i see the vanilla in my gui

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oh wait you're right

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the correct bmd isn't loading into the evt file so it just displays empty in the timeline

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like this

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:20 AM

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Empty... naohmm

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:21 AM

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like, the evt commands are there but it's mapping to the vanilla bmd instead of the mod one

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:21 AM

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Is it empty for all the lines, or only certain ones not in vanilla?

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:21 AM

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only for the non vanilla lines

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:21 AM

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Ah, right.

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That's expected for now, unfortunately.

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:21 AM

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RIP

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i wanted to see if it was a bustup issue or a evt issue that was happening here... oh well

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:22 AM

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I'll try to fix it soon by at least providing the option for which BMD's lines show up in the timeline 😅

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But the EVT doesn't have anything to do with the bustup. That's all in the BMD.

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:23 AM

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when i loaded into the event in the game once it got to the added dialogue the lines just didn't play and only played the animations, which is usually indicative of an evt issue, but i checked the logs and it said it failed to load one of the custom bustups

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i didn't think failing to load a bustup would fuck up the rest of the event but yeah

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:25 AM

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Hm...

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:27 AM

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btw was blend anim previewing ever added to the main branch?

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i still get creepypastas in the preview

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just wanna make sure i didnt mess something up

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:27 AM

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good god

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:27 AM

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thing

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:29 AM

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Lmao, good lord.

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But yes, they're in the main branch! The previews for them should be zoomed-in, though, so if you're looking at a MAA_ command and it's still zoomed out like this, your version isn't up to date.

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:34 AM

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i swear i updated my local clone

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probably a skill issue

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for future reference could you add a version number to the main menu?

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:35 AM

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You'd need to pull + re-run the bootstrap script both.

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I guess I could start versioning... although I've been putting that off until there's actually a release 😅

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:36 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/sticker-yung-joc-crying-meme-man-crying-meme-thebeyonderrrr-gif-828328460466032722

Tenor

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:38 AM

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oooo you wanna make an official release so bad....

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:39 AM

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I reeeally want to have actual model/camera positioning working for the first release 🙏

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:39 AM

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true

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:41 AM

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fnaf

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:41 AM

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the creature

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:41 AM

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okay i did do it right

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my shortcut was just

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pointing to an old directory

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JOL

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:42 AM

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Naofacepalm

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:42 AM

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also idk why this happens but sometimes some events will be darkened as if theyre read only

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even though they arent

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:42 AM

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fossil kettle pointing to an old directory

i did the same thing earlier. i see it's not just me

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:43 AM

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i swear the timeline tabs changed around

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:43 AM

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Yeah, the tab ordering changed based on CG's advice a while back.

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:44 AM

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also are there any plans to filter the commands shown in the add command dropdown? since if you want to add a model command you have to go scrolling

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:44 AM

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totally unrelated question but i've been curious, did you base this off evttool or was it made entirely from scratch?

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:44 AM

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faint plinth Yeah, the tab ordering changed based on CG's advice a while back.

😔

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:45 AM

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faint plinth Yeah, the tab ordering changed based on CG's advice a while back.

ah so that's why i was confused using it earlier lmao

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:45 AM

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fossil kettle also idk why this happens but sometimes some events will be darkened as if theyr...

The first few frames are greyed out because that event has a delayed in-editor starting frame (and it happens to be frame 69...). It doesn't affect the in-game playback, though.

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:45 AM

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i spent like a full minute trying to find the message column

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:45 AM

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oh i see

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:46 AM

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fossil kettle also are there any plans to filter the commands shown in the add command dropdow...

actually i think this is a regression (?) the old version i was using seems to already do this

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:47 AM

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fossil kettle also are there any plans to filter the commands shown in the add command dropdow...

Nah, it's never been filtered... there are just more commands handled properly now.

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:47 AM

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i do hope you add the ability to like, reorganize the tabs someday

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:47 AM

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Moving around the tabs, hm....

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:48 AM

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i'm thinking like, dragging them up and down and stuff

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:48 AM

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im dealing with timing edits but also occasionally need to reference dialogue and models as well as audio

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:48 AM

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Hm, I see, more of a windowing situation.

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:48 AM

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yeah i also only edit the messages, so i would prefer that to be at the top for me lol

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i have yet to fuck around with animations

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:50 AM

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But yeah, filtering command types in the New Command menu + more flexible tab display... definite nice-to-haves.

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:50 AM

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yeah and i think eventually it'd be nice to resize the contents of an uncollapsed timeline tab, similar to what you can do in premiere pro - mainly would like this because models sometimes has an obnoxious amount of stuff defined in the first frame and then usually doesnt have as much all at once

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so it ends up just being a giant column of empty space

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or well row

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:51 AM

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also is there a way to make the timeline... longer? like if i wanted to add a message i need to push it farther down but it just kind of stops

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:51 AM

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interesting

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New frame options

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:52 AM

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rocky kelp also is there a way to make the timeline... longer? like if i wanted to add a me...

Not sure what you mean here. Longer as in, you want to make it last for more frames...?

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:52 AM

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yes

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:53 AM

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You can adjust the Frame Count in the settings ⚙️

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:53 AM

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naothumbsup thanks

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i don't exactly know how the frames work so it'll be a trial and error thing lol

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:54 AM

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It generally follows a 30FPS logic, but some types of commands can effectively pause the event flow.

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:54 AM

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okok

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:54 AM

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interesting

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i was wondering how they handled that with the ports being 60fps+

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:55 AM

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like some messages have differing amounts of frames between them

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:55 AM

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Technically you can change it from 30, but IDK if that actually does anything in-engine.

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:55 AM

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they're all slightly different

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:55 AM

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probably just to space them out

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or to allow room for animations

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:55 AM

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Yeah, the time between is more for rhythm + animations.

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:56 AM

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oh wow i had no idea you could preview the animations they do

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they do have the creature ™ look though

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:56 AM

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faint plinth Technically you can change it from 30, but IDK if that actually does anything in...

well

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i guess itdoes

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i tried doing it and it crashed my game after 1 dialogue box

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 5:57 AM

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😮

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:57 AM

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clearly they have some automated script that changes the event files to run on 60fps

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or something

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:57 AM

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internally its still 30fps i'd imagine

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:57 AM

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i know the 60fps update for ps4 was kind of chunky though

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:58 AM

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it'd cause a lot of issues if the evt logic was running at 60fps or smth

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:58 AM

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i'll always remember... pay $35 for better graphics and fps

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thanks atlus

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:58 AM

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so true

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 5:59 AM

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woah you can have extra options on that starting menu

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 5:59 AM

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yeah i just edited the mod menu bf

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okay changing the framerate to 60fps makes it last a bit longer but it still dies as expected

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im pretty sure the commands fire off faster too

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yeah commands happen in half the time theyd usually take

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so it does definitely work

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 6:01 AM

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Wild, lmao.

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 6:01 AM

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but it'll probably crash your game if you use it on a pre-existing event

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i guess you could try making a 60fps event that has all the commands spread out but that seems pretty pointless

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 6:02 AM

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so this whole time it wasn't actually 60fps

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angry2

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 6:02 AM

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no the evt logic is always in 30fps

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which isnt a big deal

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everything else like animations are interpolated to 60fps

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 6:02 AM

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why the fuck does my graphics card get so loud playing persona5 then smh

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...it might be the mods

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 6:02 AM

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scary ps3 game

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 6:03 AM

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i have an rtx 3060

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 6:03 AM

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EVT usage of the concept of a "frame" is... a bit loose, lol.

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 6:03 AM

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tbf my computer is sitting... on carpet

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 6:03 AM

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also do you want my mod menu edits raven

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 6:03 AM

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oh sure that'd be nice

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 6:03 AM

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basically just makes testing events less of a pain in the ass

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 6:03 AM

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thanks

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since all i do is test events really

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 6:06 AM

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rocky kelp totally unrelated question but i've been curious, did you base this off evttool ...

I didn't get to reply to this before, whoops -- conceptually, this tool is somewhat based on EvtTool, but also based on my own research of the EVT file type, and also based on the event editor in the P5 beta. All the code is from scratch, though, and forms a weird little ecosystem with various Python scripts I use for development 🐍

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 6:06 AM

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there was an event editor in the p5 beta???

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 6:07 AM

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yeah the p5 beta has been very useful

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has an epl editor too

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 6:07 AM

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In the oldest version, with some work by rirurin to unearth it, yup!

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 6:07 AM

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faint plinth I didn't get to reply to this before, whoops -- conceptually, this tool is somew...

huh the gihub page says it's basically all c#

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i suppose that doesn't take into account the scripts

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 6:08 AM

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i hope more p5/p5r builds get uploaded someday and dont just rot in some collector's basement

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 6:08 AM

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It is! The Python stuff isn't part of the repo, but it is how I actually research file types.

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 6:08 AM

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i need to see this

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real atlus tools...

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 6:08 AM

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Someday... a non-rickroll P5R dev build....

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 6:09 AM

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p5r dev build with that one 2d cutscene from the trailer fully in tact 🤲 🤲 🤲 🤲

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 6:10 AM

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it must be so nice to mod games with actual tools

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 6:10 AM

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persona tools are pretty nice

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and gfd/atlus file formats dont seem overengineered

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 6:11 AM

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this is me looking at baldur's gate and cyberpunk modders

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 6:12 AM

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fossil kettle persona tools are pretty nice

the community has done amazing reverse engineering

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i don't think there's anymore files that haven't been figured out

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 6:13 AM

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There are definitely a few, but for most of the stuff people care about modding, yeah. Like, field-related stuff is still pretty barebones.

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 6:14 AM

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looking through the exe file in ghidra was absolute pain. i can't imagine people doing that for everything

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 6:14 AM

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True....

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 6:15 AM

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assembly code...

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ghidra has a decompiler function but it isn't very useful

ocean acorn Sep 19, 2025, 6:20 AM

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fossil kettle p5r dev build with that one 2d cutscene from the trailer fully in tact 🤲 🤲 🤲 ...

manifesting will seed scenes for every palace femc

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 6:21 AM

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omg

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i saw that on faz's channel i think

ocean acorn Sep 19, 2025, 6:22 AM

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i have when they cry brainrot i need to know why theyre like that,,

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 6:24 AM

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I love villain backstories

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I know there's a mod that re-adds the costume dialogue but it's buggy and only displays Japanese in some cases. I wonder if intact versions of that can be found too

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 6:32 AM

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oh something i noticed, snd_ doesnt let you edit the cueid when its set to stop

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 6:35 AM

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fossil kettle oh something i noticed, snd_ doesnt let you edit the cueid when its set to stop

That's deliberate, because from what I could tell it doesn't actually let you pick which cue to stop -- it just stops all sounds within a category.

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I could be wrong, but I noticed even when cue ID seemed to be set, it didn't actually matter in the case of the Stop sub-command.

fossil kettle Sep 19, 2025, 6:37 AM

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hmm

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i guess its just really picky about what frame its on then

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i did remove the cueid and it still ended up working

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 6:39 AM

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If I'm wrong about that, I'll change it 🤷

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For my own benefit, the top TODOs for the weekend:

Get this dang PR for automatic byte cleaning / removing Asserts merged
Fix the Msg_ menu so there's at least an option for selecting different versions of the BMD (but it should also really default to a modded version if one exists)

rocky kelp Sep 19, 2025, 6:49 AM

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femc

ocean acorn Sep 19, 2025, 7:11 AM

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where would u put log

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 7:14 AM

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The branch I'm working on also adds an actual log file to the directory where the user cache lives, if that's what you mean.

ocean acorn Sep 19, 2025, 7:25 AM

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yay

faint plinth Sep 19, 2025, 7:26 AM

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Would also like to add a way to make logs viewable in-app, but one step at a time naosmiley

runic berry Sep 21, 2025, 12:04 AM

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Just wanted to wave and say Although I haven't been in a place to unpack and build the newest update I really owe you ans CroissantGuard for this.

For one simple reason. it does the same thing For events and text that Yona does for music.

It makes things attainable for those of us with less coding experience.

So:

It lets us dream and make Dreams real.

Ganbare my friend. Well Done.

faint plinth Sep 21, 2025, 6:26 AM

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runic berry Just wanted to wave and say Although I haven't been in a place to unpack and bui...

Thanks, that's very kind of you to say 😊

faint plinth Sep 21, 2025, 6:28 AM

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faint plinth For my own benefit, the top TODOs for the weekend: - Get this dang PR for automa...

Okay, oh my god, the first thing was soooo tedious. Someone please test this huge PR (branch name: psy/const-param-handling) because I tweaked basically every file ever for it and there's a very good chance I broke everything in the process 🥹

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But if it works, it means debugging should start to get slightly easier (because there's now a file UserLog.txt in the EVTUI AppData) and the program should, in theory, not suddenly die because of a failed assert.

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(And the buggy EVTs from Gay Joker should work without extra effort.)

amber moth Sep 21, 2025, 7:54 AM

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Tried out the crash that would happen when you selected an invalid anim. It doesn't crash anymore at least, idk if it's supposed to give a little popup but it didn't. But it did indeed track it in the new log file. Here it is.

📎 UserLog.txt

faint plinth Sep 21, 2025, 8:01 AM

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Nope, no popup to be expected, but I'm glad to hear we have at least one less crash! 🎉

amber moth Sep 21, 2025, 8:02 AM

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Good to know

faint plinth Sep 22, 2025, 1:55 AM

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Well, if that's a working test, I'll probably go ahead and merge so I can get moving on improved Msg_ handling. Would be nice to make things more BMD emulation-friendly along the way, but we'll see what order makes sense here.

amber moth Sep 22, 2025, 1:59 AM

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I haven't seen any other issues at least

ocean acorn Sep 22, 2025, 2:50 AM

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oh yeah i was gonna build and see what error it gives for my weird ass bug
and then i forgor

faint plinth Sep 22, 2025, 2:53 AM

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That'd be helpful if you find time 🙏

ocean acorn Sep 22, 2025, 2:56 AM

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do i gotta run the batch script again

faint plinth Sep 22, 2025, 2:58 AM

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You shouldn't need to, no. It should just be a matter of testing the above branch -- none of the dependencies or patches have changed.

ocean acorn Sep 22, 2025, 2:58 AM

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ok

mellow gazelle Sep 22, 2025, 3:00 AM

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[Binding]Error in binding to 'Avalonia.Controls.DataGridCheckBoxColumn'.'IsVisible': 'Null value in expression '{empty}' at ''.'(DataGridCheckBoxColumn #29105235)

ocean acorn Sep 22, 2025, 3:01 AM

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built, ran, immediately tried to open project

📎 UserLog.txt

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same build, trying to create new project without first opening window, selecting cpk, and then closing window without attempting to make project

📎 UserLog.txt

faint plinth Sep 22, 2025, 3:05 AM

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mellow gazelle > [Binding]Error in binding to 'Avalonia.Controls.DataGridCheckBoxColumn'.'IsVis...

Lmao, I fixed something like this for the Linux logs but it seems there's a different one on Windows... fun 🫠

ocean acorn Sep 22, 2025, 3:06 AM

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selecting cpk folder without making new project and then opening project still works

faint plinth Sep 22, 2025, 3:07 AM

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Buuut none of that is related to the crash, so... fun fun, this crash still doesn't leave anything in the logs naodead

ocean acorn Sep 22, 2025, 3:07 AM

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ocean acorn selecting cpk folder without making new project and then opening project still w...

i assume the log for doing that wouldnt be relevant but i feel like sharing anyway

📎 UserLog.txt

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and heres the user cache

📎 UserCache.yaml

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(those test mods are just shit i made specifically to test this issue lmao)

faint plinth Sep 22, 2025, 3:13 AM

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femcmad

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Hrrrrrmmmm. Out of curiosity, is the EVTUI repo in a OneDrive directory or no?

ocean acorn Sep 22, 2025, 3:14 AM

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no

faint plinth Sep 22, 2025, 3:15 AM

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Okay, just ruling that out. Welp...... I have no idea, and doubly no idea why it's not showing up in the logs 🫠🫠🫠

ocean acorn Sep 22, 2025, 3:15 AM

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repo is not, game is not, the mod folders for actual projects are but i get same behavior with test projects that are not

faint plinth Sep 22, 2025, 3:16 AM

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I guess the only thing for it is to look into the void async thing and try getting rid of those....

faint plinth Sep 22, 2025, 6:19 AM

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Oh, btw, have you checked your machine's general event logs after the crash? There's some chance there could be info re: the error in there.

ocean acorn Sep 22, 2025, 7:08 AM

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im barely aware of what those are so no

faint plinth Sep 22, 2025, 4:27 PM

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Lol, no worries. I need to do some semiannual code cleanup, anyway, so if it's less of a pain to work around than it would be to debug, we can keep our fingers crossed that one change or another magically fixes it 🪄

rocky kelp Sep 26, 2025, 5:39 AM

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faint plinth Okay, oh my god, the first thing was soooo tedious. Someone please test this hug...

every single evt i've opened works!!

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i'm not getting any logs though

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i can tell when it's fixing it though because my mouse turns into the thinking cursor

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KasumiYay

faint plinth Sep 26, 2025, 5:56 AM

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rocky kelp i can tell when it's fixing it though because my mouse turns into the thinking c...

Hehe, I'm glad you noticed that, because I added the waiting cursor for just that reason (so it doesn't look like the program is frozen) 😁

ocean acorn Sep 26, 2025, 6:01 AM

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idle question: if you had a message named, like, MSG004_20_6_index_9, would that still be parsed properly by a Msg_ command

been thinking idly about the whole "forcing a message id" thing. i feel like id probably want to just have the mod maker append something to the end of the message label similar to how forcing procedure indices work but i want to know if theres the potential to fuck with anything (although surely you could just use MsgR instead, if im understanding the description on amicitia right...)

faint plinth Sep 26, 2025, 6:05 AM

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Hmmm, no idea whether it would work in-engine, but I suspect it would be fine -- IME, the game is pretty forgiving when it comes to string matching of prefixes like that.

And you're right that MsgR would work fine regardless, because it's an index into the array of messages and doesn't need any particular message naming scheme.

ocean acorn Sep 26, 2025, 6:13 AM

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yeah

im kinda wondering how big a deal forcing message index would actually be for events lol, knowing you can use id but can also just use name
i feel like the noteworthy use case isnt really events specifically but sections of bf logic that do some kind of check to decide what message to display (eg. jazz club, weather, morgana telling you what movie you can see)

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...which kinda makes me feel silly for discouraging emulation for event messages, although its not like there are no events where itd matter (jazz, again, if you wanted to add new random dialogue)

rocky kelp Sep 26, 2025, 6:23 AM

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faint plinth Hehe, I'm glad you noticed that, because I added the waiting cursor for just tha...

it's a nice touch because it does take a while to load

faint plinth Sep 26, 2025, 6:30 AM

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Merged that PR, then -- onto general cleanup and fixing message display on the timeline 🫡

rocky kelp Sep 26, 2025, 6:32 AM

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you're so cool ajda

ocean acorn Sep 30, 2025, 12:35 AM

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minor thing, but for .flow files would it be possible to add an option to have it sum bits while (de)compiling

faint plinth Sep 30, 2025, 1:16 AM

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Oh, yeah, good idea.

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Anything else BF/BMD related that would be nice as an option? Other than playing more nicely with emulation, obviously.

ocean acorn Sep 30, 2025, 1:41 AM

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ummmm im tryin to think

faint plinth Sep 30, 2025, 3:18 PM

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@rocky kelp The two fade-related commands are basically done, buuut for whatever reason they use a different enum for fade type than EVTFADEOUTTABLE does, so I've been trying to get those at least mostly right before merging 🥲

rocky kelp Sep 30, 2025, 3:18 PM

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of course

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always something

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lovely organization atlus!

faint plinth Sep 30, 2025, 3:18 PM

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It's like. A similar set of fadeouts. But numbered just SLIGHTLY differently. Like sometimes the same and sometimes off by one. Whyyyy.

faint plinth Sep 30, 2025, 4:09 PM

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CG is gonna have a field day testing this one once it's in 🥲

amber moth Sep 30, 2025, 4:10 PM

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I'll do my best

faint plinth Sep 30, 2025, 4:10 PM

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The "default" behavior still seems to vary by event even in ways outside of what EVTFADEOUTTABLE can explain, as far as I can see... so, fun!

ocean acorn Sep 30, 2025, 10:35 PM

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oh yeah, would it also be possible to delete project entries, and/or change paths?
my project list is flooded with testing crap and i just accidentally picked the wrong mod folder for gay jonkler lmao

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i could just go into the userconfig file but being able to do it in editor would be less of a hassle

faint plinth Sep 30, 2025, 10:38 PM

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Yeah, definitely. I just haven't figured out the best place in the UI to put project config editing.

ocean acorn Sep 30, 2025, 10:38 PM

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right click project on load project screen

faint plinth Sep 30, 2025, 10:38 PM

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Yeah, that'd be simple enough 😅

faint plinth Oct 1, 2025, 6:25 AM

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rocky kelp lovely organization atlus!

OK, they're in! The Fd__ enum is pretty incomplete, because most of the values don't actually appear in any vanilla events. But I tried to fill in the ones that are used, and leave the rest as a fun mystery for later....

rocky kelp Oct 1, 2025, 6:26 AM

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oh boy lol

faint plinth Oct 1, 2025, 6:27 AM

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You should be able to just put in the default...? Although possibly that would play weirdly if it doesn't have a fadeout table entry.

rocky kelp Oct 1, 2025, 6:33 AM

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mainly will be using the train fadeout since I'm doing confidant events

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probably the people walking too

faint plinth Oct 1, 2025, 6:36 AM

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Then making the table entries for the events and leaving the the fade-in and fade-out Fd__s at the default is probably your best bet. (Or however vanilla confidant events usually do it 🤔)

rocky kelp Oct 1, 2025, 6:44 AM

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I'll take a look see how they handle it

ocean acorn Oct 1, 2025, 10:49 PM

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also as a minor thing since i was just rapid fire opening and saving a bunch of gay jonkler evts to try and clean up corrupted values: i think id prefer if opening an event didnt close the event selection window, and possibly also if you could hit back on the event selection window to return to project list (if you loaded a project rather than creating one)

fossil kettle Oct 1, 2025, 11:01 PM

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gay joker: I'm gay

amber moth Oct 1, 2025, 11:09 PM

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I'll check out the update tomorrow. I shall try and break it as much as possible.

mellow gazelle Oct 1, 2025, 11:25 PM

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fossil kettle gay joker: I'm gay

https://tenor.com/view/big-if-true-big-if-true-gif-18577099

Tenor

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 12:14 AM

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It's true in all of my fanfics, at least 😌

ocean acorn Oct 2, 2025, 12:23 AM

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i have the disease where all of my fics end up with some element of akeshu longing, or at least they would if i had touched them in the last year

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 12:28 AM

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even gen fics can't escape shuake

ocean acorn Oct 2, 2025, 12:30 AM

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theres this yaldy ending fic idea that keeps nagging at me to write or at least outline it and then i never do

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needless to say, it would have akeshu grief

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 12:32 AM

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The one published fic I have is ostensibly ShuAnn, but it's them bearding each other 🤭

ocean acorn Oct 2, 2025, 12:32 AM

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snrk

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 12:42 AM

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I'm writing a shuake streamer au but I plan to make it spicy so it won't go on my main ao3 B_giggle_teehee_hehe

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I've published a couple shuake fics

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one of them is unfinished and idk if I'll ever finish it

mellow gazelle Oct 2, 2025, 12:44 AM

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so many fic writers, wth femmcbean

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does everyone write fanfics...

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 12:46 AM

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I think there's some overlap with mod makers

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making mods is basically another form of fanfiction for me lolol

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 12:47 AM

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I don't write fanfics

ocean acorn Oct 2, 2025, 12:49 AM

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i follow this thread mainly because i have mod ideas that are basically fics in mod form adachi_true

mellow gazelle Oct 2, 2025, 12:49 AM

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amber moth I don't write fanfics

wouldn't the femc mod count as an AU fic MakotoThink

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 12:50 AM

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maybe

ocean acorn Oct 2, 2025, 12:52 AM

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i want to say getting into modding sucked up all the energy i was putting into fic writing but tbh im noticeably more productive as a modder than i ever was as a fic writer lmao

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 12:53 AM

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writing is boring modding is fun

ocean acorn Oct 2, 2025, 12:54 AM

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im not entirely sure why but fucking around in flowscript just feels good

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 12:54 AM

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write fanfic in flowscript

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 12:55 AM

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True....

ocean acorn Oct 2, 2025, 12:56 AM

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true...

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 12:58 AM

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ocean acorn i follow this thread mainly because i have mod ideas that are basically fics in ...

same

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the concept I came up with https://discord.com/channels/746211612981198989/1422815083180068875 is 100% just a fanfiction I wanna make a mod

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:00 AM

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ocean acorn i want to say getting into modding sucked up all the energy i was putting into f...

literally same

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i can make mods easier than I can fics

fossil kettle Oct 2, 2025, 1:02 AM

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amber moth write fanfic in flowscript

AO3 browser mod for p5r

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buy an AO3 acc from Tanakas shady website to gain access

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decreases your social stats

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:15 AM

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Akira shows fanfic to akechii like "look :D"

ocean acorn Oct 2, 2025, 1:16 AM

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~~i feel like futaba is the most likely to have an ao3 acc~~

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:16 AM

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rocky kelp Akira shows fanfic to akechii like "look :D"

this is basically the premise of my streamer au tbf

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:17 AM

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ocean acorn ~~i feel like futaba is the most likely to have an ao3 acc~~

of course she does

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:17 AM

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ocean acorn ~~i feel like futaba is the most likely to have an ao3 acc~~

She created ao3

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:17 AM

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she writes some mean featherman fanfiction

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:17 AM

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amber moth She created ao3

that implies she was a hard-core Sam and Dean shipper

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ao3 was made by wincest shippers who were being chased off other sites

ocean acorn Oct 2, 2025, 1:18 AM

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beware asking to see her private bookmarks :)

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:18 AM

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She's definitely into some insane stuff 100%

ocean acorn Oct 2, 2025, 1:18 AM

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~~shes just like me fr~~

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~~not the wincest joke though i never watched supernatural~~

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:19 AM

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no she's ME

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I love supernatural but I do not like wincest lol

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dastiel for the win

ocean acorn Oct 2, 2025, 1:20 AM

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i was a homestuck girlie not a superwholock girlie adachi_true

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:20 AM

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I was none of those things surprisingly.

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too busy playing gmod

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:20 AM

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I wasn't sentient for tumblr era so I watched supernatural very recently and Sherlock a few years ago

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Tumblr was like 2010 right

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I was 3/4 years old

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:21 AM

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I was 7 then

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I think I got a pc in like 2013-15 or something I don't remember

ocean acorn Oct 2, 2025, 1:22 AM

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i read homestuck in 2013 at age 13

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:22 AM

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I had a PC around that time tho. I've been a gamer my whole life

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:23 AM

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ocean acorn i read homestuck in 2013 at age 13

I just played p3fes in 2013, yeah definitely didn't have a pc then. 2014 was the year I think cause I was really into fnaf when it got big.

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:23 AM

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I was playing animal jam mostly

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I was into creepypastas and shit for a while. yes while I was 4-6 years old

ocean acorn Oct 2, 2025, 1:24 AM

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i dont like being the old one here 😭

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:24 AM

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amber moth I just played p3fes in 2013, yeah definitely didn't have a pc then. 2014 was the...

I made my mom watch jacksepticeye play fnaf cause I wanted to show her how scary it was.

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:24 AM

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ocean acorn i dont like being the old one here 😭

I wish I was born in your era honestly

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I would've had a field day on tumblr

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instead I was a dream smp girlie

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 1:25 AM

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Don't worry, I'm much older than all of you 😄

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:25 AM

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rocky kelp instead I was a dream smp girlie

my condolences

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:25 AM

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ywah

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:25 AM

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faint plinth Don't worry, I'm much older than all of you 😄

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid4-mgs4-solid-snake-old-snake-becoming-old-gif-24179307

Tenor

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:25 AM

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I was 13 in 2020. it was bound to happen

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any teenage girl on the internet in 2020 was going to be infected

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I'm used to being the youngest lol idrc how much older anyone is

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:26 AM

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I was pretty into that part at the time but only really for technoblade and callmecarson

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minecraft mondays were so fun to watch

ocean acorn Oct 2, 2025, 1:27 AM

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~~tumblr is still up you can make an account whenever~~

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:27 AM

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I didn't like dream. I mostly watched the "other side" with ranboo, wilbur, tommy, tubbo, philza, etc

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:27 AM

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ocean acorn ~~tumblr is still up you can make an account whenever~~

a shell of it's former self

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like every big website online nowadays

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:28 AM

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ocean acorn ~~tumblr is still up you can make an account whenever~~

I have a Tumblr but I don't use it bc I use twitter

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and yeah it's a shell now

ocean acorn Oct 2, 2025, 1:28 AM

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im the inverse lmao

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i never fucking left

mellow gazelle Oct 2, 2025, 1:28 AM

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ocean acorn ~~i feel like futaba is the most likely to have an ao3 acc~~

futaba really is just "what if persona fan, but girl" ~~with mishima being "what if persona fan, but guy"~~

ocean acorn Oct 2, 2025, 1:28 AM

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all i use shitter for is liking random shit that gets linked to me

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:29 AM

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mellow gazelle futaba really is just "what if persona fan, but girl" ~~with mishima being "what...

https://tenor.com/view/takumi-takumi-sumino-true-truth-nuke-hundred-line-gif-16099135357340348322

Tenor

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futaba is girl autism incarnate

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:30 AM

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mellow gazelle futaba really is just "what if persona fan, but girl" ~~with mishima being "what...

Nah, she's like half of it. Since she quickly gets her heart changed.

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:30 AM

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only inaccuracy is futaba isn't non binary

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:30 AM

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rocky kelp I didn't like dream. I mostly watched the "other side" with ranboo, wilbur, tomm...

pilza and wilbur were pretty cool, didn't really watch the others.

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:31 AM

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...are you aware of wilbur's allegations

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:31 AM

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were

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philza is still cool

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just don't really watch him anymore

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:31 AM

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yeah he's still goated

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:31 AM

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I was only really staying around for techno

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:32 AM

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I used to be such a huge Wilbur fan I was so devastated when it came out he was an abuser

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I remember the day techno was announced dead so vividly

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that marked the death of the dream smp too

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:33 AM

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I know, I was secretly hoping it was all some prank or something. I didn't really care if it would be a bad thing to do I just really liked the guy.

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:33 AM

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rocky kelp that marked the death of the dream smp too

It was already kinda dead by then tbh

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:33 AM

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yeah 2022 it was really starting to die off

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:35 AM

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amber moth I know, I was secretly hoping it was all some prank or something. I didn't reall...

I couldn't believe it either. it doesn't feel real when you've never met them

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:36 AM

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Yeah, even though it's been so long it's still unreal that it happened.

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:37 AM

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I've accepted it at this point but for a few years it didn't feel real

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 1:38 AM

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Maybe one day he'll figure out how to revive himself.

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 1:40 AM

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heh

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 2:20 AM

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ok looks like gay joker already has fade out commands but they're fade to black

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idk why my entry into the fadeout table isn't working

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 3:14 PM

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while I was testing the fades, I noticed the model scale looked a bit different. This is what it looks like set to max now. Which is way bigger than before.

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shame that it seems like fade ins and outs don't appear when loading an event.

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 3:41 PM

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Hm, are you testing the fade commands using longer durations, or just a single frame?

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 3:42 PM

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I was just using the original fades from the actual event. Which seem to have it at 30 frames

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 3:43 PM

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I see naohmm

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 3:46 PM

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amber moth while I was testing the fades, I noticed the model scale looked a bit different....

largizawa

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 3:46 PM

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hugeizawa

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 3:47 PM

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there should be mod that makes everyone large

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kill those graphics cards

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 3:48 PM

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interesting idea

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wouldn't be that hard to do, just tedious.

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maybe I might

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 3:49 PM

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can't be as tedious as everyone is bald mod

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 3:49 PM

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true

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 3:49 PM

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everyone is fucking huge would be apart of a randomizer mod

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 3:50 PM

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Isn't there a randomizer for p5r?

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 3:50 PM

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yeah

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 5:03 PM

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amber moth shame that it seems like fade ins and outs don't appear when loading an event.

Do they work when put in the middle of an event? There's a few places in vanilla events where that happens to break up a scene.

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 5:04 PM

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i'll check rq

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 5:33 PM

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I don't think it worked. Let me try some other stuff

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 5:36 PM

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femcmad Baffling....

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I'm trying to think of events that have them so you could copy/paste or mess with them directly... I know Ann's rank 10 has a few brushstrokey ones, and Akechi's rank 2 has some flashbacky ones.

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 5:38 PM

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I shall see

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 5:49 PM

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faint plinth I'm trying to think of events that have them so you could copy/paste or mess wit...

So it does require non mod menu events for it to be seen. And this is what happens with no fade-in

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 5:50 PM

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ah so maybe that's why I couldn't see mine

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 5:50 PM

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Yeah for some reason I guess it just skips fade-ins/outs

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 5:50 PM

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Oooh, that makes sense.

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 5:50 PM

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mod menu

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beta moment

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I've seen fade outs/fade ins before with mode menu though

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 5:51 PM

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Fade-in/out logic breaks a lot, including going in and out of battles without prefacing events....

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 5:51 PM

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time to test the untested fades

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untested #1 with the unknown checked on

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seems just like default

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untested 2 also looks default

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5 fade-ins in a row surprisingly doesn't crash the game

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 5:58 PM

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amber moth untested #1 with the unknown checked on

futaba suddenly just becoming large killed me

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 5:59 PM

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I wanted to make greentaba to see if I was editing the correct event. But I couldn't remember what command it was, so I made largetaba.

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 5:59 PM

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I like how she moves to perch on top of the couch

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vulture

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:00 PM

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her arms look so long like this

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untested 3 is actually different, forgot to record it

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 6:01 PM

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Does unchecking the Unknown do anything? 🤔

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:02 PM

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i'll do that in a sec but this is untested 3

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:03 PM

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faint plinth Does unchecking the Unknown do anything? 🤔

this is untested 3 without the unknown box ticked on.

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 6:04 PM

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Omg....

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I have never seen that before in the game! I mean, obviously. But it's kind of wild.

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So maybe the Unknown check is Use Non-Default Transition? if un-checking it makes it the default again....

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:06 PM

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untested 4 looks exactly the same as 3. I'll tick the box off this next time to see what happens.

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untested 4 unknown ticked off

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 6:07 PM

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Yeah, seems like it just makes it the default again.

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Interesting!

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:09 PM

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this is apparently screen wipe 1

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 6:09 PM

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Hmmmm, certainly not, huh 😅

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But I am suspicious that these all are the same now.

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Makes me wonder if I'm parsing this correctly at all....

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:10 PM

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Maybe certain fades require different things inside the EVT to be turned on?

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Off the top of your head are there any events that use screen wipe?

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 6:11 PM

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I think Ann's rank 10 used one of them.

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:12 PM

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Let me check

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 6:12 PM

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In the middle of the event, though, not at the start.

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:13 PM

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it uses 'flashback' halfway through

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2 of them actually, fade out is in front of the fade in

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 6:14 PM

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Yeah!

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Oh, it says flashback?! It doesn't say that on mine naohmm

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:15 PM

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actually it's a fade out sandwich. 2 fade outs with 1 fade in in the middle.

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:15 PM

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faint plinth Oh, it says flashback?! It doesn't say that on mine <:naohmm:967512337600905216>

I did the romantic version of rank 10

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so maybe it's different

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 6:15 PM

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I did, too 🤔

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Screenshot of UI?

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:17 PM

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faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 6:17 PM

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E706_100?

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:17 PM

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no 103

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faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 6:18 PM

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Oh, I see....

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:18 PM

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it happens

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weird, this event has duplicate model placements for ann and joker

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 6:19 PM

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Okay, yeah, 103 does have flashback. Phew.

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:19 PM

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but at different positions? Guess they didn't take out old versions

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 6:20 PM

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Hmm? I mean, it has a transition out and in, like a little scene break.

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:21 PM

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faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 6:21 PM

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Oh, you mean the models.

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:21 PM

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yeah

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 6:21 PM

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Yeah, no idea on that!

ocean acorn Oct 2, 2025, 6:42 PM

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rocky kelp largizawa

it took me this long to realize thats what that thing blocking out the sky was LMAO

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:46 PM

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Wanted to test it but it seems like fades inside of an event do work. So it's only just the starting and eding fades that don't work with a mod menu.

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This is the velvet room fade-in btw

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@faint plinth looks like I was correct. There is some specific thing that needs to be turned on to make different fade-ins/outs work.

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untested 3 seems to be a metaverse fade in now.

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oh right this is fade out, forgot they changed the positions of them in the evt

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i'll retry untested 3 fade in

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 6:54 PM

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Hmmmmm. Does it need to have or not have an entry in EVTFADEOUTTABLE?

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:55 PM

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Well i'd assume both that futaba rank and this ann rank would have entries in it. I guess I can go check

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where is the fadeout table located?

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nvm

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is 010 editor used with it?

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 6:57 PM

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I can check. Which was the Futaba event?

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:57 PM

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709_020

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 6:59 PM

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Hmmm, they're both in there. The Futaba one has a value of 16 (Flashback fadeout (screen goes white)) and the Ann one has a value of 8 (Train Transition).

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 6:59 PM

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I see

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 7:00 PM

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Are you sure the other transitions don't work if insterted later in the Futaba event? And do the custom ones actually work at the start of the Ann event?

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 7:00 PM

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I think changing the fade out to a fade in changed the skybox

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 7:00 PM

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faint plinth Are you sure the other transitions don't work if insterted later in the Futaba e...

i'll try it after seeing untested 3 fade in

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should've recorded that, but it is different from when I tried it with futaba

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It just skips the fade in with no whiteout

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I don't think they play in the futaba event. Or atleast nothing happens when it's added in

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 7:08 PM

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Weird!!!

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I have no idea what else would be getting set here....

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 7:10 PM

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gonna see if I can edit the event to be more like the ann event

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okay, so you HAVE to have fade out first for the fades to work

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but then I wonder why the starts and ends dont work changed

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oh actually I might know

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I think it's because of the frame duration

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every fade is 30 frames from the looks. So that might be why. Cause I initially deleted the start fade in and never set the frame duration back to 30.

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looks like it. Cause this is untested 3 now that it's set to 30 frames.

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 8:33 PM

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amber moth Wanted to test it but it seems like fades inside of an event do work. So it's on...

he's into to taller women

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 8:34 PM

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as he should be

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 8:35 PM

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i think the problem is the incorrect/no entry in the evtfadeout table

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https://github.com/DeathChaos25/p5rpc.evt.fadeouttablemerge you can use this for simplicity

GitHub

GitHub - DeathChaos25/p5rpc.evt.fadeouttablemerge: Reloaded-II mod ...

Reloaded-II mod for P5R (Steam) to allow dedicated merging of EVTFADEOUTTABLE binary file - DeathChaos25/p5rpc.evt.fadeouttablemerge

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 8:35 PM

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It's a vanilla event. It shouldn't be invalid.

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 8:36 PM

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i meant like changing the fadeout in the evt but not the one in the table

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 8:36 PM

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I never changed the table

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I only changed it through EVT ui

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 8:37 PM

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that's what i meant

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 8:37 PM

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then yeah

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 8:37 PM

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you changed the evt but not the table so it bugs out

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 8:37 PM

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no it works fine now. It just needs to be fade out rather than fade in

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like for example they have out-in-out for the ann fades. And that seems consistent since futabas actually also had that.

rocky kelp Oct 2, 2025, 8:40 PM

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this is so complicated and for what

amber moth Oct 2, 2025, 8:40 PM

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Yeah it's so weird.

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It does seem like you can get away with just having out-in. But I haven't fully tested it.

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And yeah it does seem like they require a 30 frame duration to work correctly.

faint plinth Oct 2, 2025, 8:56 PM

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Fascinating and so specific....

faint plinth Oct 3, 2025, 9:34 AM

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I don't want to merge it right before bed in case I missed something major, but a PR is open with a few requested QoL improvements:

"Add New Command" modal now only shows command options from the category in which the user right-clicked for the menu (as opposed to the huge list of all commands)
Script load order should now be consistent + modded ones should take priority for showing up in the timeline
Projects can be deleted by right-clicking the entries in the "Open Project" menu
The branch is psy/misc-qol-improvements if anyone wants to give it a go, but I'll hopefully get to double-check it and merge sooner rather than later.

amber moth Oct 3, 2025, 11:16 AM

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I'll check it out

amber moth Oct 3, 2025, 11:51 PM

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So I kinda forgot about this (because I was working on other stuff). Trying to do git checkout and it's saying not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git

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git checkout psy/misc-qol-improvements this is the command i'm doing currently.

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I don't think i'm doing anything wrong.

faint plinth Oct 3, 2025, 11:56 PM

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Hm, are you in the right directory?

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That generally means you're not currently in a git folder.

amber moth Oct 3, 2025, 11:57 PM

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Yeah, it would always work after you git clone https://github.com/DarkPsydeOfTheMoon/EVTUI.git

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i'll ty again maybe I got it wrong

faint plinth Oct 3, 2025, 11:58 PM

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And then cd EVTUI.

amber moth Oct 3, 2025, 11:58 PM

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it does that automatically

faint plinth Oct 3, 2025, 11:58 PM

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If that's not working, then it's very odd.

amber moth Oct 3, 2025, 11:58 PM

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oh, I guess it doesn't do that this time ;-;

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now it works

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idk why that hasn't been an issue before.

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:00 AM

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Seems like some one-off issue with the clone, maybe 🤷

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:00 AM

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guess so

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anyways testing it out now

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:02 AM

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Oh, I should clarify the message for deleting projects to be clear it's only the EVTUI metadata, not any files being deleted....

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:04 AM

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Just have it fully delete your project

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interesting

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tried to have it run, and it 'can't fine the project'

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:07 AM

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Gotta run it from within src/gui/!

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:07 AM

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oh right

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i'm losing my touch...

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:08 AM

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amber moth Just have it fully delete your project

Yeah, raven and oceanstuck were requesting this. Useful while debugging, I think.

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Haha, all good 😄

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:08 AM

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Actually you could have an option

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either fully delete or semi delete

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so I tried deleting a project then loading a project and it crashed.

📎 message.txt

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:10 AM

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As in also delete the directory? Yeah, I suppose, but seems risky, lol.

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:11 AM

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Just a thought, it's not a big deal tbh.

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:11 AM

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I could hide it under an extra menu so no one clicks it by accident, but it does seem like a nice option to have.

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:12 AM

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amber moth so I tried deleting a project then loading a project and it crashed.

Hmmm, do you have the UserLog.txt from the AppData?

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:12 AM

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oh right I forgot thats a thing now

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? it didn't crash when I did it a 2nd time

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:13 AM

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Huh...

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:15 AM

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You should make a .old long for previous logs. Cause I didn't get it in time so it overwrit the old logs where it crashed

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:16 AM

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Ah, yeah. I could make the logs datetime-specific, but I didn't want them to take up too much space. But probably some extra older logs would be good to keep around.

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:16 AM

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I mean reloaded does it and no one complains. So I think it should be fine.

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:18 AM

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adachi_true

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:19 AM

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I did it again and it doesn't crash? I guess maybe that was some sort of fluke?

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:19 AM

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🥲

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:20 AM

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is post supposed to not have any commands?

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same with texture

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and movie

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:21 AM

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That makes sense, yeah, since I haven't implemented those commands yet. It only includes ones that I have implemented.

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:21 AM

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okay, just making sure

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:22 AM

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Yep, thanks for checking!

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:23 AM

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modded ones should take priority for showing up in the timeline
what exactly do you mean by this bullet point?

rocky kelp Oct 4, 2025, 12:24 AM

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when you click the on the message command the msg from the edited bmd will show

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:25 AM

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Yeah, it's been prioritizing the vanilla BMD for display in the timeline.

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Which is annoying... and hopefully not a problem anymore 🙏

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:25 AM

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I see

rocky kelp Oct 4, 2025, 12:26 AM

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out of curiousity how would you handle rendering the evt in the program?

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:26 AM

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Interesting, new events with different ids from vanilla actually show up on the list now.

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:27 AM

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amber moth Interesting, new events with different ids from vanilla actually show up on the ...

Yeah, I added that a month or so ago! 🎉 Related to picking up modded models.

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:28 AM

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Damn, I did not see that. Cool.

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:29 AM

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rocky kelp out of curiousity how would you handle rendering the evt in the program?

Basically building off of the model previewing. I'm working on getting model positioning/rotation to work, but it's not reeeeally built into GFDStudio, and I'm not a 3D modeling person, sooo. It's a little slow-going.

rocky kelp Oct 4, 2025, 12:29 AM

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yeah it sounds like a pain

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:30 AM

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I may or may not be a 3d modelling person, unless you mean coding it...

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:30 AM

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Unfortunately I do mean coding it pensivekechi

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:30 AM

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in that case, I was never here

rocky kelp Oct 4, 2025, 12:30 AM

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croissant is scared of code

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dw me too

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it's like my eyes glaze over when i see it

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:31 AM

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I'd be down to do it if I knew how to.

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:32 AM

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amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:33 AM

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Doing that python stuff before was hard but fun at the same time.

rocky kelp Oct 4, 2025, 12:33 AM

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i did a little bit and i mean very little coding trying to get configs working

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c seems very straightforward though

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:33 AM

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Alas, Pherakki and his expertise here are pretty unparalleled, but I never met a programming problem I couldn't eventually hack 😄✌️

rocky kelp Oct 4, 2025, 12:34 AM

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pherakki?

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:35 AM

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faint plinth Alas, Pherakki and his expertise here are pretty unparalleled, but I never met a...

That reminds me, has he said anything since he's been gone?

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:35 AM

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Creator of the GFS tools for Blender, and my partner in crime for EVTUI. But he's been AWOL for a few months 😔

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No word, no.

rocky kelp Oct 4, 2025, 12:36 AM

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:/

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:37 AM

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Went insane creating rendering for EVTUI. Happens to the best of us.

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Also on that topic, I know you had a specific idea for the rendering that we disagreed on. Are you still thinking of doing that?

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:38 AM

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...I don't remember what either of our stances were, haha.

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What specifically?

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:39 AM

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where you had the render tab essentially be a last minite check of your stuff and had the models be their own render checker instead. Something like that I think

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:41 AM

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Oh, right. I mean, it's hard to promise anything one way or the other on that, since the structure for rendering beyond previews just doesn't exist yet.

I would love for it to be a thing you can easily scan through in the timeline view, but I gotta take it one step at a time.

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:42 AM

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I see, was just curious since it's been a while.

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 12:43 AM

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I promise to make it as good to use as I possibly can 🫡

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 12:45 AM

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I believe in you Ajda. Hopefully Pherakki will be revived and not be AWOL anymore too.🙏

mellow gazelle Oct 4, 2025, 12:45 AM

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faint plinth Alas, Pherakki and his expertise here are pretty unparalleled, but I never met a...

peak programmer mindset naostare

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 3:29 AM

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Figuring out model rotation is... going great....

fossil kettle Oct 4, 2025, 5:10 AM

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strechkechi's energy lives on

ocean acorn Oct 4, 2025, 5:11 AM

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astretchi

fossil kettle Oct 4, 2025, 5:12 AM

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rocky kelp Oct 4, 2025, 6:41 AM

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faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 5:56 PM

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I think I've figured out model positioning, but something tells me I don't have camera positioning just right yet 🤔

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 5:58 PM

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Looks completely fine : )

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Awesome job on the model positioning though.

faint plinth Oct 4, 2025, 6:00 PM

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I guess this is now for an Arcana-swap story mod where Akechi is the Hanged Man 😆

amber moth Oct 4, 2025, 6:02 PM

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Akechi but he's inexplicably always handstanding.

rocky kelp Oct 4, 2025, 7:42 PM

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faint plinth I think I've figured out model positioning, but something tells me I don't have ...

akechi is very skilled

faint plinth Oct 5, 2025, 6:26 AM

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Oh god, why are cameras so complicated and different in OpenGL vs. Blender 🙃

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naodead

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TBH, if anyone wants to help figure out how to make sense of the camera positioning given in the EVTs, it may take a village dark

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Like, even trying to block things out manually in Blender, I can't quite figure out how to translate the numbers in CSD_ commands into something replicable with an OpenGL or Blender camera.

amber moth Oct 5, 2025, 11:40 AM

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What specifically is getting you hung up?

faint plinth Oct 5, 2025, 6:09 PM

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OH MY GOOOD I FIGURED IT OUT. The camera was rotating after translating, so it was rotating around the origin point instead of around its own center. Rookie mistake but OMG that was driving me insane.

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Anyway, model and camera positioning soon :3c

amber moth Oct 5, 2025, 6:11 PM

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It happens, glad you were able to fix it nontheless.

rocky kelp Oct 5, 2025, 6:51 PM

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omg camera!!

amber moth Oct 5, 2025, 6:51 PM

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Closer to render preview...

rocky kelp Oct 5, 2025, 6:53 PM

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risepray

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 7:24 AM

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Well, while I work on re-wiring stuff to make position updates more responsive / not-hardcoded, I merged that miscellaneous QoL PR. Filtered lists of new commands (requested by wisteria), script loading that prioritizes modded files in the timeline (requested by raven), the option to delete project data (requested by oceanstuck)... hopefully those should make for some nice incremental improvements.

ocean acorn Oct 6, 2025, 8:02 PM

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yesterday i found an event bmd with no corresponding evt and now im wondering whatd be the handling of this
obv itd have to be a "new" event but would you like. see the existing bmd (or bf, or w/e) in the tab

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 8:07 PM

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ocean acorn yesterday i found an event bmd with no corresponding evt and now im wondering wh...

I think you would, yeah, as lond as it had the matching event ID naming pattern. I haven't tested that case, though.

ocean acorn Oct 6, 2025, 8:13 PM

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i would imagine so given you cant directly create new events from gui

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 8:16 PM

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I'm still having the issue where even when I compile a bmd/bf and and save it in the gui, it just doesn't save

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I'll try and see if I can get details later

amber moth Oct 6, 2025, 8:17 PM

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you need to press the little wrench icon at the top left in the script editor

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 8:17 PM

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I know

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I do click that

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then I save it

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and i reopen it

amber moth Oct 6, 2025, 8:17 PM

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do you only hit save all?

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 8:17 PM

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and it's unsaved

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no

amber moth Oct 6, 2025, 8:17 PM

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hmm

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 8:18 PM

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I compile bmd then hit "save bmd"

amber moth Oct 6, 2025, 8:18 PM

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try doing save all and see what happens

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 8:18 PM

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I'm gonna take a nap I'll do it in a few hours

amber moth Oct 6, 2025, 8:18 PM

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okay

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 8:25 PM

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Did you set up your project to use BMD emulation? I could have gotten something mixed up in one version or the other.

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I think I usually have it checked for my test projects.

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 8:52 PM

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(You may need to peek inside UserCache.yaml in the AppData to confirm this currently. On Linux that should be ~/.config/EVTUI/UserCache.yaml.)

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It may be that if you don't have it on but do have a matching .msg in the mod files, it picks that up for reading but not writing the files 🤔

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 10:29 PM

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faint plinth It may be that if you don't have it on but do have a matching .msg in the mod fi...

Tbh, I bet it's either this, or there are multiple matching .msg files and it's not consistently reading from / writing to the same ones....

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:07 PM

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random aside but i'm very glad you're supporting linux. every other modding tool i use is windows only

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i tried to build atlus script gui from source yesterday but it uses net 4.8 and 4.5 which is windows-only

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:09 PM

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faint plinth It may be that if you don't have it on but do have a matching .msg in the mod fi...

looks like that's not the case?

  - Name: R&V Male Romance New New New
    Notes: 
    Game: /run/media/raven/Josuke/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/P5R/CPK
    Mod:
      Path: /run/media/raven/Josuke/Reloaded-II.5/Mods/p5rpc.event.r&vmaleromance
      Type: Reloaded
    Frameworks:
      P5REssentials: true
      AWBEmulator: false
      BFEmulator: false
      BMDEmulator: false
      Ryo: false
    LoadOrder:
      - <PRIMARY_MOD_PLACEHOLDER>
    Events:
      Pinned: []
      Recent:
        - MajorId: 718
          MinorId: 102
        - MajorId: 707
          MinorId: 101
        - MajorId: 814
          MinorId: 73
        - MajorId: 807
          MinorId: 73
        - MajorId: 754
          MinorId: 113
        - MajorId: 754
          MinorId: 110
        - MajorId: 752
          MinorId: 140
        - MajorId: 751
          MinorId: 100
        - MajorId: 750
          MinorId: 13
        - MajorId: 707
          MinorId: 1
        - MajorId: 749
          MinorId: 11
        - MajorId: 747
          MinorId: 6
        - MajorId: 707
          MinorId: 2
        - MajorId: 718
          MinorId: 90
      Notes: []```

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:13 PM

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rocky kelp looks like that's not the case? ```Projects: - Name: R&V Male Romance New New ...

Ooh, it is off. What happens if you change it from false to true?

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Basically, I should (a) make sure it's not reading from .msg files if emulation is off, and (b) make emulation more easily toggleable in the UI.

amber moth Oct 6, 2025, 11:16 PM

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You could just make all of the frameworks toggleable? Except p5ressentials of course.

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:16 PM

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rocky kelp random aside but i'm very glad you're supporting linux. every other modding tool...

If anything, Linux users get the first class experience because that's what I develop on (and I have no way to test on Windows directly) naocd

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:16 PM

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ayeee

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well since it's net there's not much to worry about with windows

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:17 PM

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amber moth You could just make all of the frameworks toggleable? Except p5ressentials of co...

Yeah, I need to make project configuration editable more generally....

amber moth Oct 6, 2025, 11:17 PM

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It's not a big deal currently though. Since now you can delete projects and just redo it.

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Now that I mention it I don't think that was tested.

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:18 PM

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True, but it'd be nice not to have to do that 😅

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:18 PM

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faint plinth Basically, I should (a) make sure it's not reading from `.msg` files if emulatio...

but i don't use bmd emulation?

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well i'll do it see what happens

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:18 PM

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Are there .msg files in the mod directory anywhere?

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:18 PM

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let's see

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yes i leave the msg files out so i don't have to decompile all the time

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is that it?

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:19 PM

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Yepppp, that's on me... I don't actually check whether it's on when searching for the files....

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I should fix that, ahah...

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:20 PM

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glad we solved it then lol

amber moth Oct 6, 2025, 11:20 PM

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amber moth Now that I mention it I don't think that was tested.

Just tested it. It seems to work fine. I was able to convert an old project to use BFemulation.

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:20 PM

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i use script gui and evtui. i don't think it's worth it to open evtui sometimes if i just wanna make like a mintor change to the text

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i also stopped using evtui to edit bmd's because of this bug

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:21 PM

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I mean, it's a very annoying bug, so that's fair, lol.

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Hopefully it won't be too hard to fix 🤞

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:21 PM

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i lost my whole edited bmd once... i had to rewrite the whole thing from memory 🥲

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:21 PM

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😭

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:22 PM

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i think it was ryuji's festival event

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:23 PM

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I'll let you know when I have a fix in 🙏 And hopefully that will be the last time a script gets overwritten like that 🥹

ocean acorn Oct 6, 2025, 11:24 PM

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amber moth You could just make all of the frameworks toggleable? Except p5ressentials of co...

if ur making a console mod i would assume you would not want persona essentials adachi_true although i would guess console support is on the backburner anyway

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:25 PM

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btw are you working on the drag and drop thing? so you don't have to cut and paste if you wanna move a command?

amber moth Oct 6, 2025, 11:25 PM

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I'd much rather have render preview tbh

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:25 PM

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well yeah that's priority #1 lololol

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:26 PM

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Drag and drop is hard, lol. I'm not working on it at the moment--yeah, exactly, to prioritize model/camera positioning 😄

amber moth Oct 6, 2025, 11:26 PM

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As soon as that happens, you could just stop updating and it would still be peak.

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:26 PM

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i see i see just wondering. you can work on that after render preview heh

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:26 PM

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amber moth As soon as that happens, you could just stop updating and it would still be peak...

ok man idk about that LOL

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:27 PM

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🤭

amber moth Oct 6, 2025, 11:27 PM

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Not having to open up the game 50 times would be a life saver

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:27 PM

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yes

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:28 PM

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I do really want to polish the timeline editor, but yeah, I think that'll come after there's at least good positional previewing, if not relatively complete rendering.

amber moth Oct 6, 2025, 11:28 PM

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Nonetheless you're doing an amazing job ajda.

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:28 PM

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after render preview official release...? hehe you'll get a spot in #p5r-resources

amber moth Oct 6, 2025, 11:29 PM

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very true

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https://discord.com/channels/746211612981198989/1062325318083428363 it'll be here though. That's archived resources.

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:30 PM

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oh

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lolol

amber moth Oct 6, 2025, 11:30 PM

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it happens lol

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:31 PM

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ocean acorn if ur making a console mod i would assume you would *not* want persona essential...

I have the skeleton of console support in place, but no real way to test it... so, yeah, theoretically it works fine, but it's on the backburner. I think I intended it to work if you just uncheck Essentials, but I haven't tested that in ages, so god knows what that does at the moment, lol.

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:32 PM

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rocky kelp after render preview official release...? hehe you'll get a spot in <#1105747756...

I could add it to the resources thread whenever, really, but I want to wait until there's a release 😅

ocean acorn Oct 6, 2025, 11:33 PM

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for console support theres both switch and ps4 too and ps4 has more shit in paks
although i think not a lot of people mod ps4 p5r

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:33 PM

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Oh, right, the PAK stuff.

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:34 PM

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since it requires vlc how will you manage that in the release?

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:34 PM

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Still should be manageable, but yeah, no way to test....

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:34 PM

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since you won't be doing the patches

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:34 PM

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rocky kelp since it requires vlc how will you manage that in the release?

Linux users still have to install that separately, yeah. Fortunately, Windows users do not, iirc.

ocean acorn Oct 6, 2025, 11:34 PM

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(im not rly sure how ps5 is structured but i also dont think anyone cares about it or even know if its moddable at all lol)

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:34 PM

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faint plinth Linux users still have to install that separately, yeah. Fortunately, Windows us...

ah

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iirc ps4 and ps5 p5r are the same now(?)

faint plinth Oct 6, 2025, 11:35 PM

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Not much for it, but I trust Linux users to be able to handle that 😆

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:35 PM

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they had the 60 fps high quality patch for the ps4

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(for $30)

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i honestly don't know

amber moth Oct 6, 2025, 11:36 PM

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faint plinth Linux users still have to install that separately, yeah. Fortunately, Windows us...

they don't for windows

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Honestly the only reason I haven't switched is because I've been ingrained in windows stuff for so long.

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:37 PM

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rocky kelp they had the 60 fps high quality patch for the ps4

speaking of this i can't believe it was 30 fps on a ps4 until this patch

amber moth Oct 6, 2025, 11:39 PM

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The human eye can only see 30 fps of course naotroll

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:40 PM

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that's just a lie lol

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humans can 100% percieve 60 fps over 30

amber moth Oct 6, 2025, 11:41 PM

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You're right, they can only see 15 fps.

rocky kelp Oct 6, 2025, 11:41 PM

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o h god

faint plinth Oct 7, 2025, 12:05 AM

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rocky kelp yes i leave the msg files out so i don't have to decompile all the time

The way I check is based on the emu folder not existing, rather than checking the project config... although that gets set within the code based on the project config 🤔 so I'm guessing there's some kind of fun little edge case buried in here....

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If I can't recreate it, I may ask for a zipped version of your working directory.

rocky kelp Oct 7, 2025, 12:07 AM

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is it because i have pak and bf emulation? the file emulation folder does exist there's just no bmd directory

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https://gamebanana.com/mods/617413 and here

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Rose & Violet Male Romance Mod for Persona 5 Royal (PC) | P5R (PC) ...

mmmmmm boys...... A Persona 5 Royal (PC) (P5R (PC)) Mod in the Events category, submitted by theloneraven

faint plinth Oct 7, 2025, 12:08 AM

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Very probably. But I did seem to consider that in the code, so I don't know yet why that's not working.

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Are the .msg files also in there?

rocky kelp Oct 7, 2025, 12:08 AM

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no

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wait

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yes

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in the pak folder

faint plinth Oct 7, 2025, 12:09 AM

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I meant in the GB version of the files, lol.

rocky kelp Oct 7, 2025, 12:09 AM

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yeah i released that lol

faint plinth Oct 7, 2025, 12:09 AM

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Okay, cool.

rocky kelp Oct 7, 2025, 12:09 AM

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(it'll be cleaned up once i'm completely done lol)

faint plinth Oct 7, 2025, 12:09 AM

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For my purposes, it's helpful that they're there 😄

faint plinth Oct 7, 2025, 6:37 AM

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...OH......................

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The problem is even dumber..............

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It literally does not save the file if the CPK name isn't EN.CPK................................

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Naofacepalm

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Hardcoding strikes again!!!

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And my comment shows that I knew that when I implemented it, but. Lol.

faint plinth Oct 7, 2025, 7:12 AM

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@rocky kelp Okay, the fix is in! Saving BMD now specifically saves the active file, i.e., the one you have open in the script editor. The compile/save flow for scripts is still pretty unintuitive and needs streamlining, but at least this should unblock you 🙏 Let me know if it seems to work!

rocky kelp Oct 7, 2025, 7:19 AM

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faint plinth It literally does not save the file if the CPK name isn't `EN.CPK`.................

from what I've seen TODO is rarely obeyed... lol

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I feel for programmers

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I'll check it out tomorrow. thank you ajda!!!

rocky kelp Oct 7, 2025, 7:35 AM

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rocky kelp from what I've seen TODO is rarely obeyed... lol

case and point
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warning: use of the r slur... this game was made in the 2000's

ocean acorn Oct 7, 2025, 7:44 AM

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faint plinth <@634142017823178753> Okay, the fix is in! Saving BMD now specifically saves the...

wait so if you edit, like, base.cpk ver of a file, compile and save, then do the same for en.cpk version, does your mod then have base.cpk and en.cpk folders both with bmd of same id

faint plinth Oct 7, 2025, 3:15 PM

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ocean acorn wait so if you edit, like, base.cpk ver of a file, compile and save, then do the...

Yep!

faint plinth Oct 7, 2025, 4:18 PM

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...Not ideal, but better than before where it would literally only save the EN.CPK one (if it existed), whether you worked on that one or not 😔

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The script editor interface needs an update for sure. More intuitive saving, custom CPK folders, better emu interfacing... I have some ideas, but I don't have an exact redesign in mind yet.

ocean acorn Oct 7, 2025, 6:41 PM

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thing is im not sure what happens if you have two persona essentials cpk folders editing the same file, ive not seen it done and i dont think it should be done
my guess is itd either try and merge both (risk of getting wrong one and perhaps even a race?) or just die

faint plinth Oct 7, 2025, 6:43 PM

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It is definitely not a good idea, lol. But 🤷 I don't know the best way to prevent/discourage it without being annoyingly limiting.

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Possibly a warning if multiple mod files are found for one pattern. But IDK if I want to fully prevent folks from doing that if they want to mess around with different edits in a single project (e.g., with the intention that users will only use one CPK folder or the other).

amber moth Oct 7, 2025, 6:47 PM

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faint plinth It is definitely not a good idea, lol. But 🤷 I don't know the best way to preve...

Have it kill the user whenever they try it

faint plinth Oct 7, 2025, 6:49 PM

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An "are you sure" popup where the "yes" button just has a gun icon....

amber moth Oct 7, 2025, 6:50 PM

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You could probably just add a disclaimer to it "Please don't do this i'm not responsible if you don't follow this" etc

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Thinking about it an faq section might be good to have eventually.

faint plinth Oct 7, 2025, 6:53 PM

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Docs, definitely... I also kind of want to build as much documentation into tooltips as I possibly can.

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But it's not really worth doing until the UI is relatively finalized for a release.

amber moth Oct 7, 2025, 6:53 PM

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Yeah

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I'll help out with docs when that happens

faint plinth Oct 7, 2025, 6:55 PM

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You're a saint 🙏

amber moth Oct 7, 2025, 6:56 PM

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You're more of a saint than me.

ocean acorn Oct 7, 2025, 7:03 PM

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faint plinth Possibly a warning if multiple mod files are found for one pattern. But IDK if I...

if its multiple language versions then id probably just move the non english ones to localization framework tbh (this goes for if theyre using merging too)
which is another can of worms

if the modder is doing it for some other reason though then yeah a warning

faint plinth Oct 7, 2025, 7:03 PM

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Localization Framework compatibility is also on the ever-growing TODO list, lmao.

mellow gazelle Oct 7, 2025, 7:04 PM

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faint plinth Localization Framework compatibility is also on the ever-growing TODO list, lmao...

the // TODOs must flow

amber moth Oct 7, 2025, 7:04 PM

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I wish I had coding knowledge, i'd love to help out.

faint plinth Oct 9, 2025, 4:34 PM

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Digging up a super old post lol because it relates to something I've brought up before but am strongly considering now as I figure out how to fit in a rendering panel...

Would it feel right to move the timeline command-editing popovers into a side panel like this? It may cram the timeline a little bit, but I figure it'll overall be a little less jank than the current way things work. And possibly lend itself more to an eventual rendering panel that sits on top of the timeline. I could be convinced there's a better way, but IDK what it would be.

amber moth Oct 9, 2025, 4:35 PM

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I forgot I made that lol.

amber moth Oct 9, 2025, 4:37 PM

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faint plinth Digging up a super old post lol because it relates to something I've brought up ...

In any case, what exactly do you mean by 'rendering panel'? Just so we're on the same page.

faint plinth Oct 9, 2025, 4:39 PM

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I'm thinking about timeline layout in general, including the possibility of a rendering panel at the top or bottom that shows the previews -- whether of a single model (as is currently a popover on top of a popover) or the full current scene.

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And regardless of that, ways of making the timeline a little more reactive and navigable. Like right now, commands with a long duration have weird behavior re: where the popover shows up. And also it's annoying to have the command editors close any time I tab out of the app.

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So, kind of all that taken as a whole.

amber moth Oct 9, 2025, 4:43 PM

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I see, I think it could work. At least it does fix some issues like the popups.

faint plinth Oct 9, 2025, 4:44 PM

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Unless people prefer the popups, I guess 🤷

amber moth Oct 9, 2025, 4:44 PM

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Maybe just prototype something simple to get a feel for it?

amber moth Oct 9, 2025, 4:44 PM

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faint plinth Unless people prefer the popups, I guess 🤷

I wouldn't personally (that's why I made that original concept). But I'm fine with whatever.

faint plinth Oct 9, 2025, 4:45 PM

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Sure, I could cook up a branch to show how it would look 🤔

amber moth Oct 9, 2025, 4:45 PM

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awesome

rocky kelp Oct 9, 2025, 5:30 PM

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faint plinth Unless people prefer the popups, I guess 🤷

I mean they're okay but the side screen with multiple entries seems great

faint plinth Oct 9, 2025, 5:31 PM

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Cool 😎 I didn't think people were too attached to them, but enough people are using the tool now that I didn't want to change it without checking first.

mellow gazelle Oct 9, 2025, 8:23 PM

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pherakki's abscence is missed in many places naotocry

faint plinth Oct 9, 2025, 8:30 PM

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Yeah... really hoping he's okay 😥

amber moth Oct 9, 2025, 8:33 PM

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Didn't you guys meet in person? Or was that just a vacation thing?

faint plinth Oct 9, 2025, 8:33 PM

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We did meet this past winter, yeah.

amber moth Oct 9, 2025, 8:35 PM

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I assume you both don't live in the same city right?

faint plinth Oct 9, 2025, 8:35 PM

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Nope, not even close. I haven't heard from him any more recently than anyone else has 🤷

amber moth Oct 9, 2025, 8:36 PM

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Damn, do you not have like a phone number or something you could use to try and contact him?

faint plinth Oct 9, 2025, 8:36 PM

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Just Discord 😔

amber moth Oct 9, 2025, 8:38 PM

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That's surprising honestly, but I get it. Hopefully he comes back soon🙏

lime scarab Oct 10, 2025, 12:40 AM

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faint plinth Just Discord 😔

This only works on p5r right now right?

amber moth Oct 10, 2025, 12:41 AM

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Yeah

lime scarab Oct 10, 2025, 12:42 AM

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P3R support would be nice

amber moth Oct 10, 2025, 12:43 AM

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Pretty sure theres a whole bunch of documentation on event editing for p3r

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Either way I'd much rather have p5r finished before other games are considered tbh.

lime scarab Oct 10, 2025, 12:47 AM

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amber moth Either way I'd much rather have p5r finished before other games are considered t...

Definitely focus on one game but other game support afterwards would be so nice

faint plinth Oct 10, 2025, 12:49 AM

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I mean, there already is an editor for P3R, isn't there?

amber moth Oct 10, 2025, 12:50 AM

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Yeah iirc you just have to do a couple things to make it work. I saw some other people try it out before on the femc reloaded server.

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#1273169795860398101 message this is it I think

golden willow Oct 10, 2025, 1:20 AM

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faint plinth I mean, there already is an editor for P3R, isn't there?

yes (you can edit events in unreal engine's editor)

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sometime in the future I do intend to add metaphor support for evtui since it's similar enough to p5r that it shouldn't take too long

faint plinth Oct 10, 2025, 1:27 AM

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golden willow sometime in the future I do intend to add metaphor support for evtui since it's ...

Ooh, hell yeah 👀

faint plinth Oct 11, 2025, 7:13 PM

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Getting wet 'n' wild in this branch 🥴
But I do think this timeline redesign will be worth it once I can sort out the mess.

rocky kelp Oct 11, 2025, 7:14 PM

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yooo!!

fossil kettle Oct 11, 2025, 7:23 PM

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oh the popup is being killed?

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thats something im a little conflicted on, i dont really like the idea of the content constantly changing size

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for editing software its not that big of a deal bcs the timeline never changes size (in vegas pro, premiere, and iirc davinci)

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you could just make that side window static but that seems like a massive waste of space

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for editors it works bcs there's always something useful on the side windows

faint plinth Oct 11, 2025, 7:27 PM

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I'm conflicted on that, too. My instinct is to make it an optional panel but open by default so things aren't constantly changing size... and possibly other stuff (like the current content of the Assets tab) could cover part of the space...?

fossil kettle Oct 11, 2025, 7:29 PM

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yeah, although maybe the tabs like scripts and render could take up space on the side there kinda like how video editors have multiple things on the side (i am getting way ahead of myself though)

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hmm

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well i think as long as you can like

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resize the side window it should be okay

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and i think the timeline should ideally have some kind of zoom in/out feature

faint plinth Oct 11, 2025, 7:30 PM

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Resizing is hard 🥲 But I think for a side panel like this it should be reeelatively simple to do. (Less so for a more granular zoom on the timeline, unfortunately.)

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Screen real estate is at a premium here, but the popups closing every time you do literally any other kind of input or click is really annoying 😔

faint plinth Oct 11, 2025, 7:33 PM

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fossil kettle yeah, although maybe the tabs like scripts and render could take up space on the...

The position of the rendering panel as viewable from the timeline was what I was especially debating. Right now that little "hiiiii" panel up top was where I was thinking of putting it (a la Premiere), but I could be convinced to put everything in the side panel. I guess it depends on whether vertical or horizontal space is more valuable when looking at the timeline.

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(Also keeping in mind that screenshot is not with the app at fullscreen, so the timeline will have much more room to breathe if you actually increase the window size.)

fossil kettle Oct 11, 2025, 7:37 PM

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Oh yeah no worries, I'm very much thinking of this from a video editing software perspective since that's the most experience I've had with timeline based UI 😅

faint plinth Oct 11, 2025, 7:41 PM

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fossil kettle Oh yeah no worries, I'm very much thinking of this from a video editing software...

I do want to make sure it feels good to use for folks who are used to video editing software (since that is the most comparable type of tool, really), so this is all very useful stuff to share 🙏

ocean acorn Oct 13, 2025, 2:57 AM

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ended up poking around in gay jonkler on a whim
im realizing there isnt a good way to view vanilla bmd with cpk folder as en.cpk, which is where it exports

which is one thing, but i also yeeted unchanged messages from my .msg file because thats how youre supposed to use bmd emulator and now every Msg_ command that calls a vanilla message looks like this

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im afraid to know what happens if i actually export evt like this

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how do i know which local data this is referencing?

faint plinth Oct 13, 2025, 3:36 AM

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ocean acorn ended up poking around in gay jonkler on a whim im realizing there isnt a good w...

Yeah, that level of emulator-friendliness still needs to be implemented... I don't think it would be too hard to get something basic working re: importing messages prior to compiling, but what you're seeing is expected (albeit annoying) for the time being.

ocean acorn Oct 13, 2025, 3:36 AM

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yeah, i figure

faint plinth Oct 13, 2025, 3:37 AM

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ocean acorn im afraid to know what happens if i actually export evt like this

I wouldn't worry about exporting, though -- all that stuff is just a preview, so as long as the scripts look like you expect, all the EVT knows is the message ID.

ocean acorn Oct 13, 2025, 3:37 AM

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id and label i assume

faint plinth Oct 13, 2025, 3:37 AM

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Yep! Although...

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...hm, no I think it's fine as long as the msg compiles, missing vanilla lines and all.

faint plinth Oct 13, 2025, 3:41 AM

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ocean acorn how do i know which local data this is referencing?

The local data is referenced by Conditional Index there, and the value usually gets set by selections earlier in the EVT.

ocean acorn Oct 13, 2025, 3:41 AM

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hm

faint plinth Oct 13, 2025, 3:42 AM

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So, some earlier Msg_ should have a selection attached to it.

rocky kelp Oct 13, 2025, 4:55 AM

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ocean acorn how do i know which local data this is referencing?

the local data always seem to start with 0 instead of 1, so it's referencing the first slection and the first option

ocean acorn Oct 13, 2025, 4:55 AM

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i know about zero based indexing adachi_true thats not what i was asking about

rocky kelp Oct 13, 2025, 4:55 AM

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oh

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~~i hate the zero it fucks me up all the time~~

ocean acorn Oct 13, 2025, 4:57 AM

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enough time writing code will beat it into you ~~unless youre yanderedev~~

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i was asking about like, the bf for this sets local data 43, 44, 45, 46 for dating the girls, which is presumably referenced by the Msg_ commands for their marriage reactions

rocky kelp Oct 13, 2025, 4:59 AM

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the longer i mod the closer and closer i get to programming it feels like

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ahhh i see

ocean acorn Oct 13, 2025, 5:02 AM

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ocean acorn i was asking about like, the bf for this sets local data 43, 44, 45, 46 for dati...

the evt already has Msg_ commands for ryuji and yusuke but the bf doesnt actually have any comparable flowscript for them so i added EVT_SET_LOCAL_DATA for them too, except i have no idea how to check in the evt which item of local data each of them (or the girls) is using

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(this is the study session right before depths)

ocean acorn Oct 13, 2025, 5:08 AM

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faint plinth The local data is referenced by `Conditional Index` there, and the value usually...

its not the value of the local data im asking about, its the index
like how do i know if this is checking value for the first thing or the second thing in this image

faint plinth Oct 13, 2025, 5:32 AM

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I'm not 100% sure of the correspondence between EVT commands and flowscript, but I'd guess that EVT_SET_LOCAL_DATA(47, 1) would mean that, in EVTUI terms, Conditional Index [47] == (Conditional Value) 1.

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So... if the index is zero in the EVT, then I wouldn't think it's checking either of those.

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Still not sure if I'm answering your exact question 🤔

rocky kelp Oct 13, 2025, 5:35 AM

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maybe gay joker did a fucky wucky

ocean acorn Oct 13, 2025, 5:36 AM

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no that screencap is my flow, im asking because i dont understand what the evt itself is doing

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to give full context, the evt plays the sel for the marriage dialogue, runs this flow procedure (my edits at the bottom although im realizing now that 47 is used for something else already), then for each girl (+ ryuji and yusuke in gay jonkler) runs one of 3 Msg_ commands depending on what the player answers
the conditional value matches the option you picked but the conditional index is 0 for all. im guessing maybe conditional index 0 is for player's answer to sels since it's also 0 for an earlier sel, but then what are these EVT_SET_LOCAL_DATA calls doing? where are they used?

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because obviously your teammates dont have dialogue period if youre not dating

faint plinth Oct 13, 2025, 5:58 AM

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Oh..... I know what the confusion is. I don't think the Msg_ editor UI (which is very old and needs an update) actually shows the fact that EvtLocalDataIdSelStorage is explicitly defined for each selection. Meaning...

im guessing maybe conditional index 0 is for players answer to sels since it's also 0 for an earlier sel

...that's often true, but it is defined on the Msg_ command with the selection in question. And I think I left that out of the UI for some reason 💀

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I had to check the code to make sure, lmao, but yeah I see why that would lead to confusion naosmiley

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As for the other local data, I'm not sure where they get used, but my guess is if you look through all the commands, some model loading + message commands (maybe even some frame jumps?) would depend on those. i.e., things that would change to make characters show up or not.

ocean acorn Oct 13, 2025, 6:06 AM

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oh i see, there are framejumps that activate if local data for a certain id is 0 (ie. not dating a given character)

faint plinth Oct 13, 2025, 6:07 AM

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That's what I'd expect, yeah.

ocean acorn Oct 13, 2025, 6:10 AM

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gay jonkler evt seems to use 41 for ryuji and 42 for yusuke so i guess thats what i should go with

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~~im just going to assume those arent used for anything else~~

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also, idk if the behavior changed on accident in the last few commits or if ive just been a dum-dum but im noticing
i dont have to select cpk in the new project window to avoid crash, i just have to open window for new project or load project and then close it again

faint plinth Oct 13, 2025, 4:25 PM

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...The other thing is, I'm pretty sure it's possible to condition commands on global bitflags, so I don't really know why the extra step of setting local variables based on bitflags was necessary in the original event design naohmm

rocky kelp Oct 13, 2025, 5:10 PM

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I was thinking the same thing

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there's a bitflag conditional in evt's...

faint plinth Oct 13, 2025, 5:13 PM

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Unless it somehow doesn't work in the release version of the engine 🤷 But it definitely is in there as an option....

ocean acorn Oct 13, 2025, 6:44 PM

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maybe they were going to check for rank 10 too and changed their mind? idk

rocky kelp Oct 13, 2025, 7:21 PM

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maybe that was it. almost all the time they check for rank 10 as well

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cuz evt's can't have 2 conditionals, so they make a local data factor too

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but then why does the final version not have a rank 10 check...

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ocean acorn Oct 13, 2025, 7:22 PM

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rocky kelp but then why does the final version not have a rank 10 check...

bc it wouldnt matter for something like this tbh lol

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its not a full on date its just them being sad for 2 seconds if you say something careless

rocky kelp Oct 13, 2025, 7:23 PM

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I mean they're not in a relationship "officially" until rank 10

ocean acorn Oct 13, 2025, 7:23 PM

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thats. not rly true lol

rocky kelp Oct 13, 2025, 7:24 PM

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shrug that's the impression I was under

ocean acorn Oct 13, 2025, 7:25 PM

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tl;dr this is a very small moment and the characters would prob react the same whether they were at rank 9 or 10

rocky kelp Oct 13, 2025, 7:27 PM

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ignorant fans: there should be more unique dialogue for relationships!
what goes into making unique dialogue:

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(tbf if they just used the bitflag conditional it wouldn't be that difficult)

faint plinth Oct 13, 2025, 9:01 PM

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...I wonder if it would be helpful to rework the conditionals UI to look more like the equivalent flowscript functions...

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...but it looks like there's both EVT_GET_LOCAL_DATA and EVT_GET_LOCAL_COUNT, and I have no idea how those would be different 🥴

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Unless that's the baffling "animation count" in the enum that I got from the beta editor and also have no idea what it means....

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......nope, there's also EVT_GET_ANIMCOUNT 😑

rocky kelp Oct 13, 2025, 9:09 PM

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I think the conditionals look fine. changing the name to "reference local data (conditionals)" is the only change I'd recommend

frozen whale Oct 14, 2025, 6:54 AM

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putting a message here for later.

faint plinth Oct 14, 2025, 7:17 AM

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(Probably the best way to make things Switch-compatible would be for me to figure out how to use my own Switch copy of P5R as reference, because I do have it, but I've never done any Switch modding before and it sounds intimidating 😅)

frozen whale Oct 14, 2025, 7:29 AM

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faint plinth (Probably the best way to make things Switch-compatible would be for me to figur...

well fwiw I've been using yuzu

faint plinth Oct 14, 2025, 8:08 AM

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...hm, I wonder how far you'd get by just selecting P5 beta build when dealing with Switch files. Since those are also encryption-less....

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Probably I have some hardcoded assumptions about ADX instead of HCA, but other than that....

balmy basaltBOT Oct 29, 2025, 12:32 AM

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Moving this thread here...

SpyPigeon

but that still shouldn't have caused an error because the original one still existed, it just lacked the second line

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faint plinth Oct 29, 2025, 12:32 AM

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@jolly epoch, if you're able to find your EVTUI appdata and send it over, I'll take a look and see if I can find anything.

jolly epoch Oct 29, 2025, 12:33 AM

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faint plinth <@967540434186416160>, if you're able to find your EVTUI appdata and send it ove...

lemme see

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is everything local or does it go to the appdata folder?

faint plinth Oct 29, 2025, 12:33 AM

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In your appdata folder there should be EVTUI/UserLog.txt, I think it's called.

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It all goes into appdata, outside of stuff in the mod directory.

jolly epoch Oct 29, 2025, 12:34 AM

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Loading C:\Users\AvgSpy\Documents\GFD\EVTUI\src\gui\bin\Release\net8.0\win-x64\libvlc\win-x64\libvlccore.dll Loading C:\Users\AvgSpy\Documents\GFD\EVTUI\src\gui\bin\Release\net8.0\win-x64\libvlc\win-x64\libvlc.dll [Binding]Error in binding to 'Avalonia.Controls.DataGridCheckBoxColumn'.'IsVisible': 'Null value in expression '{empty}' at ''.'(DataGridCheckBoxColumn #54749715) [Binding]Error in binding to 'Avalonia.Controls.DataGridTextColumn'.'IsVisible': 'Null value in expression '{empty}' at ''.'(DataGridTextColumn #22985394) [Binding]Error in binding to 'Avalonia.Controls.DataGridCheckBoxColumn'.'IsVisible': 'Null value in expression '{empty}' at ''.'(DataGridCheckBoxColumn #60141268) [Binding]Error in binding to 'Avalonia.Controls.DataGridTextColumn'.'IsVisible': 'Null value in expression '{empty}' at ''.'(DataGridTextColumn #4400500) [Binding]Error in binding to 'Avalonia.Controls.TextBox'.'Text': 'Null value in expression '{empty}' at 'newProjectConfig'.'(TextBox #66729601) [Binding]Error in binding to 'Avalonia.Controls.ItemsControl'.'ItemsSource': 'Null value in expression '{empty}' at 'newProjectConfig'.'(ItemsControl #63695501) [Binding]Error in binding to 'Avalonia.Controls.ComboBox'.'ItemsSource': 'Null value in expression '{empty}' at 'newProjectConfig'.'(ComboBox #36388601) [Binding]Error in binding to 'Avalonia.Controls.ComboBox'.'SelectedItem': 'Null value in expression '{empty}' at 'newProjectConfig'.'(ComboBox #36388601) [Binding]Error in binding to 'Avalonia.Controls.ComboBox'.'ItemsSource': 'Null value in expression '{empty}' at 'newProjectConfig'.'(ComboBox #3475410) [Binding]Error in binding to 'Avalonia.Controls.ComboBox'.'SelectedItem': 'Null value in expression '{empty}' at 'newProjectConfig'.'(ComboBox #3475410)

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that's what the log says

faint plinth Oct 29, 2025, 12:37 AM

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Lmao, yeah, there's a lot of that on Windows at the moment. I might he able to find something more meaningful if you attach the full file... unless that's what's right at the end of the file?

jolly epoch Oct 29, 2025, 12:38 AM

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faint plinth Lmao, yeah, there's a lot of that on Windows at the moment. I might he able to f...

that's the whole log

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I deleted the metadata to just start over so I don't have more than this

faint plinth Oct 29, 2025, 12:38 AM

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Oh, the metadata clears itself.

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It'll only contain logs from your last session, so the best time to grab it is right after a crash.

jolly epoch Oct 29, 2025, 12:39 AM

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well I deleted the project since it wouldn't let me make a new one in the same directory and the old one wouldn't load

faint plinth Oct 29, 2025, 12:39 AM

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Ooh, gotcha.

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You should be able to right click and delete projects from the project selection screen now.

jolly epoch Oct 29, 2025, 12:41 AM

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that's what I did

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which is why idk if there's anything else I can really show you rn

faint plinth Oct 29, 2025, 12:41 AM

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Gotcha. So it's not crashing at the moment...?

#EVTUI (Visual event editing tool)