configure mod's lit up but nothing's in there lol
#Unreal Essentials
modest shale
modest shale
can do
modest shale
patent belfry
I love R2 failing to update on steam deck
Let me try asking it to update within the P5R Prefix
Maybe that’ll be more stable since it’s not brand new
wicked raptor
(sunshine... it's me, the ghost of your 6:30am wakeup tomorrow... i'm telling you to go to bed...)
patent belfry
If this don’t work I’ll figure it out tomorrow
Yeah ok nope
Would just redownloading R2 from the GitHub page and copying over all the mods be a good idea at this point
wicked raptor
possibly
patent belfry
Idk why it does this but it’ll have the bar fully load, presumably getting most of it, then nothing, then it closes itself
wicked raptor
the reason R2 is failing to update might be you missing .NET 8.0.1
patent belfry
Nah
wicked raptor
oh ok
wicked raptor
maybe not yet
wicked raptor
insert shrug here
patent belfry
I know its in there cause R2 wouldn’t even launch without it
Well. I tried just not updating it, deploying ASI loader and putting in the usual launch command
The game didn’t even try to launch mods it just literally launched vanilla 
visual bramble
try adding r2 as its own steam game
patent belfry
What the hell man
I know the mod works cause the person who helped me and had UEssen got it working perfectly
So uhhhhh idk what gives here
Any suggestions as to what the issue might be?
dusky steppe
it should work
the reason it says "Unsupported file type" is because I wrote the asset collector code back when PAK and UTOC assets were separate folders
so the collectors looking at all the file extensions it doesn't recognise and says that it's skipped and unsupported
patent belfry
Ok I just tested the Is It Working mod and got the same error
wild abyss
I figured it'd be fine
If it bothers people we could remove the warning
Since it doesn't really mean anything
patent belfry
For the record when this happens the game when launched directly inside R2
It just doesn’t fucking load
The R2 just collapses
When I launched it through steam R2 didn’t appear at all
And the game booted vanilla
wicked raptor
did you deploy asi loader
patent belfry
did you deploy asi loader
Yes
wicked raptor
hm
nocturne verge
I confirm that it works with the GP version with UWP Dumper
wicked raptor
no get to supporting 2?
lapis apex
I confirm that it works with the GP version with UWP Dumper
I didn't know that was a thing, ill give it a shot
Got it, thank you
frosty terrace
umaps crash here
wild abyss
Oh, I guess it's not as simple as adding it to the list of supported extensions, mb
This is kinda up to Rirurin, not really my area of expertise 😅
frosty terrace
yeah that works
dusky steppe
oh wait I forgot one of them
dusky steppe
actually nvm that should be good
wild abyss
Oh, ok
dusky steppe
I think i was just looking at an earlier pr by accident
yeah github search was being weird and showing me an earlier revision of the file
wild abyss
The update's out
ebon shard
Reloaded-ii should be attmepting to auto-update it now since that update's out, right? doesn't seem to happening for me if that's what's supposed to happen
boreal fiber
Might need to wait a bit, GitHub limits access to 60 requests/hour by IP
Sometimes you might just be rate limited
ebon shard
ahhh
didn't know that, ty
id say i'd check again in an hour or smth but realistically i'll probably be going to bed soon here and by the time i wake up i'd DEFINITELY not be rate limited by that point so wouldn't even matter lol
wild abyss
I got the update, I'm sure you'd get it soon enough
ebon shard
Def working in that case, just a temporary issue on my end then haha
boreal fiber
Dope
rough rose
delete it and let r2 autodownload it
modest shale
autodownloaded and still says 1.0.2
rough rose
wide seal
1.0.2 is just the version in the mod config, 1.0.3 is the tag on github
boreal fiber
@hidden oxide
hidden oxide
Hi i'm ichunka a content creator, a student in game dev and i make mods on games sometimes, i'm used to modding UE4 games have been trying to mod the game "jujutsu kaisen cursed clash" but i can't cuz the game is on UE5.1 and it uses utoc/ucas so i can import the assets properly with fmodel but idk how to edit them after since uasset gui is not working cuz of that. i saw that there is a modding framework for personna 3 reload so i was wondering if someone could help me out since it is a UE5 game with utoc/ucas?
wild abyss
`1.0.2` is just the version in the mod config, `1.0.3` is the tag on github
Yeah, I'm not really sure what to do about that. There's two different mods on the same repo so unless I push updates that change nothing (just bump version number) for one to keep them in sync it's bound to happen
wild abyss
Unreal Essentials would need to be updated to support ue5.1 but I think it could be mostly done.
Utoc emulator might not work though, I think the format changed since ue4. That means you'd probably have to use full utoc files
dusky steppe
yeah the utoc + ucas format changes a fair bit
i'm def gonna get around to adding ue5 support to the emu soon bc it's wasting so much space lol
wild abyss
That doesn't really solve your problem of editing uassets though. For now you kinda need to just hex edit them, the current tools don't support the format used in utocs.
I might look into making that work at some point though. It'd be much easier if uasset gui worked
dusky steppe
zentools supports ue5 so ichunk should just be able to convert jjk's assets into cooked ones to be able to edit them more easily
boreal fiber
I'm still surprised the emu hit 130kB DLL size
I blame mostly core::fmt
String formatting is expensive af
(it was like 35% the code size)
azure gorgeBOT
Ryn did post this recently though. I've no idea if it's specific to p3r or generic but maybe it could help 
boreal fiber
Not too bothered rn, I just think it's funny :v
dusky steppe
Ryn did post this recently though. I've no idea if it's specific to p3r or gener...
my guess is that would be her port of zentools to ue4
since i saw her mention that a few days ago
orchid harness
What does it mean if reloaded crashes when I try to update the mod?
wild abyss
It means something is going wrong. Is there an error message or anything like that?
orchid harness
wild abyss
I'm not sure what that's going wrong there. Hopefully @boreal fiber has an idea
boreal fiber
I've seen it before but I forgot the exact cause.
orchid harness
☠️
boreal fiber
One way to trigger it though is to have a ReleaseMetadata.json that points to a file that doesn't exist.
orchid harness
I destroyed it all, hope that helps
orchid harness
wild abyss
Oh, that's because I incorrectly had it set to use the release tag in version 1.0.0
Just delete that version and then let it auto install the latest (restart reloaded or try to launch the game from it and that should do it)
Hopefully not many people have 1.0.0 because I think that'll happen to anyone with it 😅
I think that was before P3R Essentials was out so it shouldn't affect many people
orchid harness
The releases are buried at this point so I just used the old one in my files
wild abyss
They're buried?
orchid harness
yeah idk where to find them
wild abyss
If you have any mod that uses it (P3R Essentials) it should auto install the mod
Releases for unreal essentials and utoc emulator are on the github page:
https://github.com/AnimatedSwine37/UnrealEssentials/releases/latest
wild abyss
Releases for unreal essentials and utoc emulator are on the github page:
https:/...
The repo is but the releases aren't. I guess it doesn't hurt to pin
While I'm at it I should update the main post given everything is released. I suppose it still makes sense to keep this open as a place to discuss updating Unreal Essentials to support other ue version and stuff like that
Unreal Essentials
rough rose
I think you should put a big disclaimer that UE5 is currently unsupported lol
while it should be obvious given the explicit version mention, it never hurts to be cautious
orchid harness
Is p3ess 1.0.0 okay?
wild abyss
Surely that should be enough. If you can't tell that ue5 isn't supported by the fact that it's a planned feature and it isn't listed in the supported versions I don't think I want to talk to you lol
(Unless you're talking about this post, I'm completely rewriting the op rn and will list the supported versions there as well)
wild abyss
Is p3ess 1.0.0 okay?
Yeah, it hasn't had any updates yet
orchid harness
It seems I am behind on things lol
wild abyss
Don't worry about it, stuff moved very fast with this in the last few days 😄
rough rose
Surely that should be enough. If you can't tell that ue5 isn't supported by the ...
you and i both know there is a severe lack of reading comprehension skills these days
orchid harness
Maybe it took more than two seconds for them to read so they got fed up
wild abyss
True... 😔
hidden oxide
That doesn't really solve your problem of editing uassets though. For now you ki...
Can we do it together so jjk can be moded?
wild abyss
Do you mean you want to work on updating UAssetGUI to support the files?
hidden oxide
Do you mean you want to work on updating UAssetGUI to support the files?
Either that or sth else, just a way to mod the game like you all do with persona
If a tool need to be made making a tool instead
wild abyss
Well like I said before you can edit the uasset files, you just need to use a hex editor. It should be just as possible, just not as convenient
Actually I want to clarify something, it's .uasset files specifically that you're having a problem with right?
Also, to be clear all Unreal Essentials actually does is let you replace the game's files loosely (so you don't have to build the whole utoc or pak yourself). Actually making the files you put in there is not really related to it and I don't really understand the process myself. Your problem is seemingly the creating files part
And when I'm thinking about uassets I'm thinkning about stuff like tables, or generic data, if you're talking about models I've got absolutely no idea how those work. I imagine there's some different workflow for them (although maybe I'm wrong and it's all the same )
hidden oxide
Actually I want to clarify something, it's `.uasset` files specifically that you...
Yep i exported them but can't open them with uasset gui
hidden oxide
And when I'm thinking about uassets I'm thinkning about stuff like tables, or ge...
I don't wanna edit models i wanna make a balance patch and edit some scripts
wild abyss
Oh, ok
Well then yeah, other than hex editing, updating uasset gui would be the way to go
frosty terrace
Ryn did post this recently though. I've no idea if it's specific to p3r or gener...
there's a 4.26 branch that i compiled for 4.27
the good stuff is all 5.1+ though
this is usable for data tables and assets on 4 which is useful
hidden oxide
Well then yeah, other than hex editing, updating uasset gui would be the way to ...
Is uasset gui open source?
hidden oxide
this is usable for data tables and assets on 4 which is useful
Thx
hidden oxide
Thx
hidden oxide
anyone have the link for unreal essentials?
hoary basin
check pinned
patent belfry
P3R Essentials also automatically downloads Unreal Essentials
hoary basin
no, it's on 4
patent belfry
isn't P3R on UE5?
It’s 4.27
hidden oxide
i though it was on 5
that's why i initially asked for help in this server to mod a UE5.1 game lmao
hidden oxide
damn alr. i need to find a way to convert my mod into a .utoc file on 5.1 now
hidden oxide
best of luck
gonna check palworld server
this game is on 5.1 just like jujutsu kaisen
frosty terrace
oh yeah, zentools is mostly working on 4.27 now
dusky steppe
wild abyss
dusky steppe
it did die pretty early in the serialization process from an assertion so there aren't many files but damn that's cool
wild abyss
So you're making something that'll be able to convert between the two versions I assume?
dusky steppe
what I had started working on back in january is effectively the opposite of zentools
so using those two tools, that should be possible
wild abyss
So zentools converts from the pak format to io store?
dusky steppe
zentools goes from io store to pak formatted assets
dusky steppe
yea, that was the plan
since that would remove the step of packaging into a utoc and then unpacking that
wild abyss
Yeah, nice
frosty terrace
it did die pretty early in the serialization process from an assertion so there ...
yeah workin on it
frosty terrace
made a stopgap release that nulls out properties that can't be resolved
frosty terrace
if you for example only want to extract packages from P3R/Content/Xrd777, the package filter would be /Game/Xrd777
frosty terrace
So zentools converts from the pak format to io store?
uasset/uexp to io store is what unreal does natively, the real hard part is io store back to uasset/uexp
frosty terrace
can't be used directly yet, best use case is disassembling blueprints
modest shale
oh akihiko
i thought i told you to stop holding all the couches above your head with your mind
mint karma
any chance you could add UE4 4.16 support?
frosty terrace
4.16 doesn't have io store
unless you mean 4.26
or you're just talking about unreal essentials in general
marble orchid
thats the power of protein
wild abyss
@dusky steppe Is the mod id you pass into utoc emulator actually necessary? I'm adding an api to unreal essentials for adding folders and if mod id isn't actually needed I'd prefer to not have it
dusky steppe
not particularly, it's just used to report the mod's name for the asset collector's print out
wild abyss
Alright
mint karma
or you're just talking about unreal essentials in general
in general
wild abyss
Yeah, if you could send me the exe of a game that uses 4.16 I could try. Assuming none of the functions we hook substantially changed it shouldn't be hard to do
wild abyss
That definitely isn't. I'm fairly sure it was...
Well that's wrong
I'll have a look
It's there if I manually download it from github or gb. I'll try doing it from Reloaded
I don't know why it'd be any different
rough rose
this happened to me randomly a few days ago
updated bonus tweaks and the dependencies just vanished lmao
had to update again to readd them
wild abyss
It must be some bug in Reloaded because the dependency is definitely set in all of the files
I'll try a fresh copy and see if it makes a difference
patent belfry
Yeah I just got a fresh reloaded II cause the auto updater blows itself up on steam deck
The game just did not launch. Even though I deployed the ASI loader.
rough rose
well, downloading from gamebanana without 1-click has it
its under the github dependencies
wide seal
is it the same bug as before?
wild abyss
Alright it's bugged with a fresh copy
rough rose
wild abyss
It might be related to that but it isn't the same, I'm on the latest version
patent belfry
I can’t access this lol
wild abyss
@boreal fiber Downloading P3R Essentials from Reloaded on a fresh copy of it causes the Unreal Essentials dependency to be gone. Using one click install or manually downloading the mod seems to work fine (it is 100% set as a dependency)
Doing it on a copy that previously had unreal essentials installed makes it work just fine
wide seal
I can’t access this lol
secret modders chat where we trash talk users discuss mod making
patent belfry
Pain
wild abyss
I'd guess it working on old installs is related to there being a User folder for the mod since it stays even after deleting the mod from Manage Mods
boreal fiber
<@71363881301184512> Downloading P3R Essentials from Reloaded on a fresh copy of...
That's kinda weird.
Only thing I know that can strip update info for dependencies is DependencyMetadataWriterFactory
But that's only ran when launcher starts up
And I run missing dependency check before running that code.
patent belfry
Does this issue manifest as R2 hanging after loading file Emu framework?
Cause I got a fresh 1.25.7 and put my mods in, trying to launch and it’s hanging on that
Which hasn’t happened before
I’m using ASI loader but again it was perfect before
boreal fiber
Nah, it would tell you dependency is missing
patent belfry
Uhhhhhh
Well this is with the latest version
I have no clue what this means
But it feels like it may be best asked here lol
boreal fiber
Me neither, I know not
patent belfry
I don’t think rewatch TV is my last mod so let me see what happens if I disable it
boreal fiber
<@71363881301184512> Downloading P3R Essentials from Reloaded on a fresh copy of...
I'll add a line of dependency check after a download just in case.
Because maybe if the user hits Edit Mod, it would be possible to remove a dependency this way.
But it is strange.
boreal fiber
<@71363881301184512> Downloading P3R Essentials from Reloaded on a fresh copy of...
I made a quick hot-patch to download dependencies right after any mods from the launcher just in case.
(in fact, I got out of bed at 3am for this 😅)
In any case, something you should consider is making sure you have an up to date release for each mod in more than just GitHub. (I didn't get around to checking)
Since with GitHub you risk the end user running out of 60/hour per IP rate limit.
[Reloaded eats through this very quickly, with each mod, and people in shared buildings like hotels etc. might just be unlucky]
BTW new update means a likely new wave of false positives. I'm back to bed, and to sleep, but if you run into them, please report them as false positives at https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/filesubmission/
wild abyss
Thanks, I'll test it in a bit. Sorry for getting you out of bed, I didn't realise it was that late for you
boreal fiber
don't worry, end users are #1 for me
If there's an easy fix/workaround I can make, I just do it right there and then.
wild abyss
Yep, that seems to have fixed it
dusky steppe
i've been working on finding a fix for blueprints crashing over the past few days and I've found that it's possible to fix the issue
the reason it always crashes is because the generated container header doesn't report the correct number of export bundles for blueprints (most assets only have 1, while blueprints has 2). changing that gets the game to boot, but the saveload menu, which I've been using as testing, shows several items in the wrong language (the time of day's in french and the load bg text is german lol), and will crash if it's opened again
I've determined that the issue is that too many import ids are being assigned to the asset (due to the way that I get those), so using only the import ids that were used in the original container header stops the crashing and brings everything to the right language
this will likely take me a while to figure out how to get this to work for all assets though since getting correct import ids seems to be far from an easy fix (the only reason I got the second screenshot was because I hardcoded the import ids for that specific asset lol)
dusky steppe
damn my workaround was *almost* perfect
steel fractal
so close
Yet so far 
dusky steppe
@wild abyss blueprints asset crash fix is done 
wild abyss
Nice
Since I made you a collaborator you can merge stuff yourself btw, particularly if it's utoc emulator stuff since you're the expert on that.
Regardless, I'll merge it now and push the update
wild abyss
The update is out
raw veldt
so how do I load blueprints converted with zentools with the mod loader?
raw veldt
nvm it seems it isn't supported yet, guess i'll have to wait with testing edits ingame for now
wild abyss
You'd need to convert it back to the io store format (the opposite of what Zen tools does). I think Rirurin was working on it be presumably it's not done
hallow badge
When I run zentools it becomes like this and never go any further
I tried using double \ in paths
I tried using dumped game
I moved zentools into my engine folder
But nothing seems to work
raw veldt
It just takes forever
You should wait an hour or 2
Probably less, but seriously a long time
hallow badge
I've waited for 5 hours
steel fractal
I'm unsure if this is expected behaviour 
But I've noticed that lose files will always take priority over assets in a .ucas/utoc
No matter the load order in reloaded
rough rose
afaik thats normal behavior for ue4
steel fractal
I see I see 
dusky steppe
@wild abyss pushed a new update for io store emulator
i haven't made a new release yet in case there's anything specific you do that isn't just making a new tag in git and pushing
wild abyss
After it's made I manually push the nuget packet but apart from that I don't do anything special. I should really work out why the action doesn't do it, I'm sure I set up the secret right...
I'll do that myself once you've made the tag and release
dusky steppe
After it's made I manually push the nuget packet but apart from that I don't do ...
yeah same, i haven't been able to upload to the reloaded nuget server automatically
wild abyss
It worked for me on some of my older mods but I haven't been able to do it recently
Maybe something changed with github actions
What does the update actually do btw? I saw your description but that doesn't really mean anything to me 😅
azure gorgeBOT
the issue that I was having up here was only working for a few specific assets, specifically ones with more than one export bundle (the vast majority, including blueprints, only have one export bundle)
dusky steppe
I then tried making the new behavior the default, which checks the string portion of the io store package to validate that a particular import should be written to that asset's entry in the ucas, but it was leading to weird cases where some imports wouldn't work because Unreal for whatever reason decides to remove the last underscore + number if it interprets it as a number
(e.g ../texture/hair_1 and ../texture/hair_2 would both become ../texture/hair)
so at the root of the UnrealEssentials folder, a .utocmeta can be included to adjust the behavior of how imports are determined for a particular asset
it also includes a section for asset compression, which I'm planning to implement in 1.1
wild abyss
oh ok
that makes sense, thanks
(well at least I think it does :D)
did you document the how to make a utocmeta file anywhere?
dusky steppe
the only documentation I have atm is in the source code
// version: u32 @ 0x0
// alt_auto_import_count: u32 @ 0x4
// manual_import_count: u32 @ 0x8
// compressed_package_count: u32 @ 0xc
// alt_import_assets: [u64; length] @ alt_auto_imports_offset
// manual_import_assets @ manual_imports_offset
// asset_hash: u64,
// count: u64,
// imports: [u64; count]
// compressed_assets: [u64; length] @ compressed_package_offset
// compressed_asset_flags: [u8; length] @ compressed_package_offset + compressed_assets
I would've liked to have made a proper external program to make it easier to make but I'm still thinking of the best way to go about that
I see why uecastoc requires you to provide a manifest file when packing a utoc, since it's not possible to determine what the correct imports are 100% of the time from just whatever data's in the uasset
wild abyss
I would've liked to have made a proper external program to make it easier to mak...
Fair, that sounds like it'd take a fair bit of effort.
You mentioned you plan on adding asset compression. Would that mean there'd be some way for mod makers to compress their loose files and use them with utoc emulator or do you mean something different?
dusky steppe
yes
wild abyss
Ooh, that'll be nice
wild abyss
Are games other than p3r actually using Unreal Essentials that we know of? I'm going to make it not be a universal mod because of all of the people trying to enable it on p3p, p4g, or p5r
rough rose
modest shale
it's happened so many times 😭
modest shale
if we had some sort of "blacklist" feature it'd be better to blacklist games
that's what i'm saying!!!
:3c
wild abyss
I'm not sure how much better that would really be. It's the same problem but in reverse
Now we have to find every non ue game and add it
rough rose
I don't think a lot of people use it but I think it's more of a "hasn't been advertised enough" combined with "they already do pak mods and most people dislike moving from what they know works"
alternatively have UE Essentials scan exe name and deactivate itself if it detects p5r/p4g/p3p
modest shale
yeah but then there'd be people outside of pmodding that could have the same issue
rough rose
we can't possibly help every idiot in existence
wild abyss
I could just not have it throw an error if it's not a ue game. Fail silently as rena suggested
Idk, I hate that I have to solve this problem lol
It shouldn't exist
rough rose
modest shale
it is very annoying
wild abyss
I don't think a lot of people use it but I think it's more of a "hasn't been adv...
Not sure how I would advertise it. I don't really mod any non persona games
I was kinda hoping people who do would just pick it up
Plus your second point is probably very true
I imagine the only real chance would be on some new ue game
or one with a very small community that somehow suddenly expands
rough rose
I can definitely see this being good for IO Store games but then IO Store has its own whole issue with "io store uasset is different from dumped uasset" etc
wild abyss
Yeah well hopefully that'll get fixed eventually
rough rose
I hate IO Store!!!!!!!
at the very least though, SMT VV would be a good chance to advertise it outside of persona
(id imagine)
dusky steppe
at the very least though, SMT VV would be a good chance to advertise it outside ...
unreal essentials thicc mod
wild abyss
Yeah
rough rose
unreal essentials thicc mod
don't speak the devils, they'll pop into existence!
modest shale
moddaman is getting devious
patent belfry
I mean that one guy kinda beat us to it
modest shale
patent belfry
I forget, what’s the oldest version of UE4 that this game works with? Not for P3R modding but just so I could see what other games can take advantage of it
wild abyss
I've said 4.25 to 4.27 are the supported versions currently
patent belfry
Right sorry, just forgot heh
wild abyss
Although versions lower than that might not be hard to add if a community wants to adopt it
ue5 is the only one where I'd say it's probably not happening anytime soon
patent belfry
Yeah I know
UE5 still hasn’t been cracked and determined how it works, yea?
Just was asking cause I’m like “hm what games do I own that I can use Unreal Essentials for”
I know Hi-Fi Rush is a game that can work, it was used to test
wild abyss
It's not something I've really looked at but I think it's substantially different from ue4. I'm pretty sure it's generally a much less mature modding scene than ue4
(This is pretty much just coming from what I've heard from others)
patent belfry
Dragon Ball Sparking Zero is UE5, so maybe when that comes out modders might try cracking it open
steel fractal
Are games other than p3r actually using Unreal Essentials that we know of? I'm g...
The ASI patch for HiFi-rush has been edited to say
Use Unreal essentials instead
https://github.com/ActualMandM/HibikiPatches
steel fractal
at the very least though, SMT VV would be a good chance to advertise it outside ...
And agreed
For existing UE4 games, maybe not a big pull to change, to this format
More relevant for new releases
wild abyss
The ASI patch for HiFi-rush has been edited to say
Use Unreal essentials instead...
Oh, that's cool. I'm not actually going to do it today but when I do I'll be sure to add hi-fi rush to the list
steel fractal
I can think of a FF7CC mod I wanted to make with unreal essentials
But I didn't get it working with Reloaded yet
Also
When the new FF7 comes to Pc
Will definitly use unreal essentisl
steel fractal
wild abyss
😦
steel fractal
Game is 4.27 
wide seal
:AquaSob:
azure gorgeBOT
:AquaSob:
wide seal
aqua too powerful for nqn
steel fractal
whole canopy
Are games other than p3r actually using Unreal Essentials that we know of? I'm g...
If unreal essentials isn't gonna be used by any other game why not merge it with persona essentials
Sorry if I'm dumb
wild abyss
Ideally it would be used by other games
It's a framework for unreal engine game modding, currently p3r is the only unreal engine persona game
If it was a part of persona essentials then say you only modded p4g, you'd still have to have all of the unreal stuff even though it isn't used at all
wild abyss
I don't think it's known yet. Anyway I'll definitely try and push people to use it for new games
rough rose
yeah, like i said, i consider it a lost cause for established communities (unless its IO Store stuff I imagine)
dusky steppe
It's a framework for unreal engine game modding, currently p3r is the only unrea...
from the sounds of things a lot of upcoming sega titles will be using ue4/ue5 so I'd like for uessentials to have use there
dusky steppe
re;fantazio might be ue4 too?
i'm pretty confident on that being the case
rough rose
rirurin insider arc?
dusky steppe
This is correct information
astral kindle
re;fantazio might be ue4 too?
https://vxtwitter.com/random_guy231/status/1765334332150075701?s=20
i saw this tweet a while ago - that is probably the only hint at what Engine is being used
dusky steppe
https://vxtwitter.com/random_guy231/status/1765334332150075701?s=20
i saw this ...
i saw that too and that's what makes me think it's ue4
my game theory is that they ported gfd's performance monitor to ue4
(i wanted to see if I can trigger it in p3r but the code to draw probably only compiles on debug builds)
rough rose
how do you know
it looks like it is but we havent really seen enough dev shots to know what it is
visual bramble
delritos and midori 
dusky steppe
oh shit
rough rose
although I have no idea who that first name is
dusky steppe
ok.....
raw veldt
Can't believe metaphor runs in excel smh
rough rose
@dusky steppe or @wild abyss , have any of you guys ever seen anything like this when decompiling an exe?
max tried this on Wuthering Waves (4.26) but it died (lol) so I tried opening it in ghidra to see if i could make new signatures but the entire exe is just undecipherable somehow
seemingly nothing is decompiling properly
dusky steppe
yes!
I had that happen to me when I tried analyzing Stray
the exe decrypts itself on runtime, so the only way I could analyze it was to dump the exe while it was running
boreal fiber
rough rose
or is there a guide out there for example
boreal fiber
Please go Refund the Game
rough rose
its a free game!
boreal fiber
Then don't play it :P
boreal fiber
Game has an Anti Tamper solution built into it, there's no point
They'll deliberately break it down the road, and you'd be playing a cat and mouse game
rough rose
boreal fiber
These anti cheats are designed to deliberately crash the game if you try to run any custom code inside them
boreal fiber
https://www.tencentcloud.com/products/ace
btw .ace segment in PE header
They make themselves easy to find
That thing talks with a kernel driver that gives a Chinese company Ring 0 access to your PC 
If you have some self respect, you shouldn't bend over to them and just take it.
boreal fiber
I had that happen to me when I tried analyzing Stray
Can you upload the EXE for that?
I assume you mean the cat game
dusky steppe
ye
boreal fiber
@dusky steppe That's standard Steam Stub
dusky steppe
ah ok
boreal fiber
https://reloaded-project.github.io/Reloaded-III/Loader/Copy-Protection/Windows-Steam.html
Here's some notes I wrote on it.
And there's many more on the web.
Anyway, you can use Steamless to completely remove it
And just use the stub-less EXE
(PS. R2 also tells you in the log near the start if your game uses this DRM)
(since I need to specifically work around it as it's modder unfriendly)
You'll also want to strip it to debug mods. It's designed to deliberately crash the game if you attach a debugger.
rough rose
oh that, you can also use Steamless
it'll give you a stripped exe
pretty easy to use
I always throw steam games into that by default before checking anything
rough rose
btw, SMTVV is 4.27 and seems to be modified
i'll work on it and PR it to the repo
unrelated but @dusky steppe i tried your object dumper and it makes the game crash lol
dusky steppe
give me a moment
dusky steppe
tbf it was a hard drive and I was installing 4.23 on it in case they hadn't updated the version
rough rose
its a wholeass new game!
anyway exe doesnt need to be stripped
since, y'know, deeznuvo
anyway ill throw it on ghidta 11.0
rough rose
dusky steppe
yeah I never updated that tool either
rough rose
gmalloc is being a pain in the ass to find so im just chilling here
until the xref gets analyzed
i did try tracing this through FindFileInPakFiles
but this game also fucked with it somehow
might've inlined it or something? idk
but none of the xrefs to it seemed to be PakOpenAsyncRead
rough rose
ok i found openasyncread
ghidra hadnt analyzed it yet so the xref to string wasnt showing
anyway yeah no xref to findfileinpakfiles
this looks very fucked up
rough rose
alright got them both
my gmalloc signature is shorter, but openreadasync is longer
perfectly balanced...
well, everything seems in working order
@wild abyss hi i opened a PR for signatures for SMTVV
i didn't do version bump, i'll leave that to you since idk if youd want 1.1.0 or 1.0.1
lol this game is like P5R and it preloads a billion player assets on boot
rough rose
<:jonker:915231871657463908>
this is so sad
rough rose
how will i find the audio key now!!!!!
wild abyss
i didn't do version bump, i'll leave that to you since idk if youd want 1.1.0 or...
Could you do the version bump, I won't be home for about two hours so I'll have to merge it on my phone and I don't feel like trying to make a commit on mobile
dusky steppe
this is so sad
this fallbacks to UObject if it can't find the type (I'll come up with a better fix for this later)
wild abyss
I'd go 1.0.1, no new functionality has actually been added
rough rose
lol sure, I know where the reloaded config is, does the project itself have a version number?
dusky steppe
this fallbacks to UObject if it can't find the type (I'll come up with a better ...
script ran for me
wild abyss
It should just be the mod config you need to change
wild abyss
Oh, yeah
rough rose
alright, no other place then?
wild abyss
Yeah I think that's fine
rough rose
alright, should be good now
wild abyss
Cool
rough rose
oh lmao rirurin merged the pr!!!!!
wild abyss
Oh thanks
dusky steppe
wild abyss
Yeah he can just deal with it
rough rose
then now he needs to version bump!
I also updated changelog.md
# 1.1.1
- Added support for Shin Megami Tensei V Vengeance
# 1.1.0
- Added an API to allow mods to add files from code. Checkout [the documentation](https://github.com/AnimatedSwine37/UnrealEssentials/tree/master/UnrealEssentials.Interfaces/README.md) for more information.
# 1.0.2
- Files are now accepted from any mod, not just those that directly depend on Unreal Essentials (done so stuff works with P3R Essentials)```well, anyway, I'm going to sleep, lemme know when the release is up and reloaded has the auto update so i can push people to use this
wild abyss
It was up on Github since Rirurin merged the pr and made the release but I've got it up on nuget now so you should be good to tell people to use it
(I should work out why the nuget release refuses to get pushed by github but I can't be bothered)
azure gorgeBOT
On this, the game doesn't use io store so if it's broken that's probably my fault...
wild abyss
That is kinda weird that whatever is broken would be happening accross both utocs and paks though
rough rose
anyway, if something breaks I can't fix it because I genuinely cannot boot the game anymore if this is enabled so good luck to y'all
sacred kettle
when i tried using smtvv essentials 1.0.1 via r2 it gave me error stated unrreal essentials failed to load
wild abyss
anyway, if something breaks I can't fix it because I genuinely cannot boot the g...
Could you send a crash dump
rough rose
Could you send a crash dump
the crash dumps didnt have anything useful, they all stopped right before the fatal errors, I managed to fix it anyway, it was indeed a reloaded cache issue, I deleted all of my reloaded. mods (like reloaded.sharedhooks) and let reloaded redownload them all and that fixed it
wild abyss
Oh ok
rough rose
<:jonker:915231871657463908>
i tried object dumper again on a 4.27 game (Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising) and got the same error i had gotten on SMTVV lmao
seems like its the sigscanner's fault this time?
boreal fiber
Check if the hook addr matches up
rough rose
Check if the hook addr matches up
the printed address wont match to ghidra because exe has normal base address of 0x14
dusky steppe
you can change the base address in ghidra in the memory map
rough rose
well, I dont know what im supposed to be looking for lol
(nor what base address to use)
dusky steppe
the base address would be whatever gbvsr reports in cheat engine
I should look into that game again sometimes bc I remember trying to hook it months ago and it crashed every time
rough rose
oops
I hooked it just fine
made the extra costumes patch and all
its just this that kills it for some reason?
there's a free edition you can download (which is just the same exact game but with an extra "lock" on it)
boreal fiber
you can change the base address in ghidra in the memory map
@rough rose You can also disable address space layout randomisation (ASLR) by toggling a bit in the EXE header
They called the flag 'dynamic base', or something like that
rough rose
that sounds like something above my pay grade
boreal fiber
that sounds like something above my pay grade
🔫
Unfortunately sitting and doing nothing does not solve problems magically.
Especially when you're one of the few people around that can actually try doing something
rough rose
@dusky steppe someone asked, does adding files via utoc emulator "add" them so the game can detect them?
new files that dont exist already in the game
dusky steppe
yes
rough rose
nice
astral kindle
Hey, i wanted to try to port over the Translation of Master Detective Archives RAIN CODE to the new RAIN CODE PLUS port on PC, just because i was curious.
Is there any way i can specific the UE4 Version + the Mapping the Engine uses (a .usmap file i dumped so i can look at the files in FModel)?
this is my Log File
if i understood it correctly RAIN CODE PLUS uses UE4.27 but not the default mappings
this is my mapping file
dusky steppe
that log's saying that it can't find the UE version, which usually only happens if the wrong exe is selected in Reloaded
(also I've been hearing of other issues with that game specifically so it sounds like there's something special going on there?)
astral kindle
(also I've been hearing of other issues with that game specifically so it sounds...
i know that the game version is usually under Properties -> File Version
but RAIN CODE PLUS doesn't have it in any .exe
not in the RainCodePlus.exe and not in the shipping .exe else
i found it out through another tool
dusky steppe
unreal essentials checks for a string ++UE4+ or ++ue4+ within the executable and gets it's version number from there so it might be missing that?
dusky steppe
also have you updated uessentials recently? that seems like a pretty old version
astral kindle
but it would be nice for cases like these, if we could specify it in a extra file, like we can specify which Encoding to use for the BFEmulator
astral kindle
also have you updated uessentials recently? that seems like a pretty old version
i'll try that
updated UnrealEssentials and other Universal mods to their newest version, will try again
now it gives me this
dusky steppe
always use the shipping exe
dusky steppe
nova cipher
Is anyone active here? I have a question
bronze shadow
Shoot
nova cipher
So, I'm trying to mod P3R. and it seems that Unreal essentials is having issues
Is there a simple fix to this? Or is it something new that's been happening
Here's the full .txt
It worked completely fine on the first launch, but when I had to reinstall P3R, the mods started messing up in various ways
boreal fiber
(Their game probably got updated to latest Xbox Store build in the process)
(I was curious if something could be majorly different there, so I asked them to see in here)
(If I need to buy someone a copy to look into it, just for the cause of covering more signatures, I could do it)
nova cipher
I have the "is it working?" mod installed to see if any mods are loaded
boreal fiber
Log says C:\XboxGames\Persona 3 Reload\Content\P3R\Binaries\WinGDK\P3R.exe so I don't think they're injecting into the cloud save wrapper thingy at least.
wide seal
it shouldn't even be there, at the very least the guide recommends it to be in a custom folder
nova cipher
Tried launching the game from a different directory, too (copied and pasted towards desktop)
nova cipher
it shouldn't even be there, at the very least the guide recommends it to be in a...
the thing is, I didn't see that step as necessary due to it working completely fine on first launch.
wide seal
and you're launching it from the xbox app?
bronze shadow
Was gonna say this isn't a help thread but if you guys are cool with it, ok
nova cipher
and you're launching it from the xbox app?
launched it from both the desktop folder + the xbox app. Neither of this works
boreal fiber
Last time I touched Xbox stuff, the default folder actually worked for me, haha.
wide seal
reloaded also use to launch it fine via launch app*. it stopped at some point 😔
nova cipher
The thing is, GGST's gamepass modding works completely fine. I just needed to add the paks manually
It has to be file mumbo jumbo
wide seal
Tried launching the game from a different directory, too (copied and pasted towa...
if you mean literally just copy and pasting the folder, then i don't think that counts as moving it into a custom folder
rough rose
The thing is, GGST's gamepass modding works completely fine. I just needed to ad...
ggst also doesnt use unreal essentials so i dont see how its comparable to current situation
nova cipher
ggst also doesnt use unreal essentials so i dont see how its comparable to curre...
I know it doesn't
wide seal
that one guy on ue modding disc was right, we should've just stuck to paks 😔
nova cipher
Could this entire problem stem from the fact that I have the "Digital deluxe edition" installed instead of the base game + addons? The whole reason I had to re-install the game is because my game's save forced me to have the Digital deluxe edition because the P4G music pack isn't in the microsoft store
just shooting in random directions
marble orchid
isnt digital deluxe just base game + soundtrack
nova cipher
It has the "p4g BGM pack" installed automatically
wide seal
rindeed*
boreal fiber
Personally when I saw the exe matching p3r.exe, knowing it's not the cloud wrapper thing, I was a bit curious.
So I sent them here, in case it's a case of new unseen before binary.
nova cipher
I'm going to reinstall both Reload II and p3r after a PC restart to see if that fixes it
wide seal
I'm going to reinstall both Reload II and p3r after a PC restart to see if that ...
set a custom folder first
in the xbox app
boreal fiber
Unless Microsoft is doing something really weird again.
It's a hassle to buy gamepass every other month to try fix something related to it.
rough rose
gamepass and steam exes are already different
boreal fiber
and set up Windows VMs to test on multiple Windows builds
rough rose
and as far as I know the hashes are based on Steam
nova cipher
Unless Microsoft is doing something really weird again.
It's a hassle to buy gam...
I just abuse the $1 trial :P
boreal fiber
Well, yes.
But such a large amount of mismatching hashes is a flag
wide seal
not really
wide seal
not even that
it's something that happens when reloaded isn't working at all (idk the technical details)
usually by not following the guide correctly...
nova cipher
That's me!
wide seal
And me!
boreal fiber
😅
rough rose
oh yeah I do know that the exe is encrypted or some such if left in original folder
boreal fiber
It was a pain in the ass to implement but Reloaded does decrypt it
rough rose
oh?
boreal fiber
Since I think around March
wide seal
sewer is so real for that 
boreal fiber
hehe
modest shale
Since I think around March
boreal fiber
mew!!
nova cipher
I restarted my PC and got reload on it again. All that's left is for me to wait for P3R to reinstall
It may just be Microsoft servers being stupid once again
oh my god
I found a discrepency
when I reinstalled everything immediately, this text box didn't show up.
testing now
I'm so awesome
Thank you all for the effort! You guys are awesome and are the backbone of a great community
modest shale
certified microshit moment
boreal fiber
yup
modest shale
we need an edited version of this that has atlus scratched out and microsoft there instead
steel fractal
FF7 rebirth comes on for pc tomorrow
Seems to be Unreal 4.26 with IO Store
A chance for support?
rough rose
should be supported out of the box already then
assuming they dont do game specific trolling
rough rose
It's Square after all. so extreamly likely
But I will test it out tomorrow ^^
if FF7R is any indication, then it does mean not a single signature will work
steel fractal
rough rose
square enix PLEASE
steel fractal
Starting UTOC.Stream.Emulator
[Reloaded] - LoadTime: 156ms
[UtocEmulator] Unable to find Open Container, stuff won't work :(
[Unreal Essentials] Found GMallocPtr at 0x7FF62238C126
[Unreal Essentials] Found GMalloc at 0x7FF628F3F5F0
[Unreal Essentials] Unable to find GetSigningKeysPtr, stuff won't work :(
[Unreal Essentials] Unable to find GetPakFolders, stuff won't work :(
[Unreal Essentials] Unable to find GetPakOrder, stuff won't work :(
[Unreal Essentials] Unable to find PakOpenRead, stuff won't work :(
[Unreal Essentials] Unable to find PakOpenAsyncRead, stuff won't work :(
WARNING: No mod files were loaded for UnrealEssentials.utoc
[Unreal Essentials] Unable to find IsNonPakFilenameAllowed, stuff won't work :(
[Unreal Essentials] Unable to find FileExists, stuff won't work :(
[UtocEmulator] An error occurred while making IO Store data
[Reloaded] Loading Mods (Total) | Time: 508ms``` YaaaaaayyyyyyAs expected I guess
wide seal
:(