Oh. In general, not really. Excluding the cat.
#P4 Fog Restoration (fm. Foggy Inaba, Restored PS2 Fog)
cerulean ember
No prob bob
quasi igloo
I think you’ve found unused content, should put it on tcrf
desert meteor
There's this scene in P4 PS2 but I think this is a different ENV
burnt valve
so specific 🙄
does anyone know what this is about
otherwise I will just close and ignore
burnt valve
yeah 😭😭
but I mean this just isn't enough info
the issues tab on GB literally tells you like hey. don't be vague about your issues. and they give examples of good and bad descriptions and this falls very much in the bad description lol
but also GB issues are flawed in themselves. it doesn't start a thread or anything like GitHub. the author can only open/close or edit the description. that's not helpful at all.
like how do I ask for more info?
tacit viper
the issues tab on GB literally tells you like hey. don't be vague about your iss...
that requires them to read
burnt valve
yeahhh y'know what I'm just gonna close it
wow i cant even edit the description to say this nvm
gb issues are fucking useless
burnt valve
that's the thing I don't know what they mean
astral fiber
like how do I ask for more info?
finite spire
100 bucks on them playing a first playthrough with mods and not knowing the gimmick
Quite sure this thing doesn't affect how the camera works, anyways
burnt valve
there are a few things i could think of
the previous issue that atake posted about was ultimately a camera issue
but without enough info maybe it is just them not recognizing the gimmick
slim cradle
Funny this looks like it's lit with modern LED street lights with how bright it is
burnt valve
yeah lol
I ultimately decided to just stick with the custom ENVs I made for it instead
(everything is darker)
lime abyss
Thank you for working on the piss filter from the ps2 version brawler 😌
stone star
burnt valve
golden does have baked in shadows too generally. maybe i will look into those later though
burnt valve
@frail radish few questions for you since I think you're most qualified to answer, but if someone else wants to answer they can too
- given we have an env editor, I feel like the env template could be improved but I do not have experience making templates. is making/updating templates easy....
- do you know if the p3f env editor has full functionality? currently the P4G one is largely functional but you can't save shadow edits (maybe the latter part of this is also a @scenic dust question too)
shadow edit clarification: there's a shadow editor for stuff like player shadows. currently you can apply and see the changes ingame but you can't actually save them to an env. the current 010 env templates don't seem to have shadows documented...
frail radish
<@229072191746998272> few questions for you since I think you're most qualified ...
- It's pretty easy I'd say to make or update templates. At first you'll probably need to refrence the docs a lot for understanding syntax and what features/functions you can make use of which will be a bit rough but it gets easy fairly quickly (and for updating a template you can of course just see what the template you're working on does for an idea of how you should be writing it.)
- As far as I know if the ENV editors are still in FES I don't know any way of accessing them, but they are fully available and (based on my quick testing) are fully functional in the P3 Debug disc though there doesn't seem to be a way to actually save an ENV file that I could see, in addition it seems like when the game loads the ENV it doesn't keep the same structure in memory as the file does so it's not like you can easily cross-refrence or extract the data out that way either...
burnt valve
is P4G's env editor our best source when it comes to editing ENVs??
I thought the fes one was more fleshed out
frail radish
I'm pretty sure it is yes but like I said I couldn't find a way to actually try and save the data so trying to use it for editing ENV's isn't so great, plus the fact that the data is laid out differently in memory vs. the file that's loaded makes it harder to compare
(though that being said what you probably can do is load up that file in a hex editor and then look through all the menus of the different editors to try and cross-refrence the values that way, though that might be tricky for values that are the same in diffeent places..)
If the debug disc had a hostfs patch for it too then it would be trivial to also hex-edit the ENV load it in the game and then check the editors to see what values actually changed but alas there isn't one best I can tell and I wouldn't know how to try and make one haha
frail radish
I thought the fes one was more fleshed out
Actually looking back at it the P3 editor isn't so much "more fleshed out" as it is "easier to use and less broken" since menus like the light editors are laid out properly rather than the kinda broken looking menus P4G has, but at the same time a lot of the different options that the ENV editor has in Golden just aren't present at all in P3's editor (given that it is using an older format of ENV's that just don't have those features, for example the filters that P4G has don't seem to exist at all in P3 or at least they aren't exposed in the editor if they do exist)
so yeah for as much as the golden editor isn't great it is going to be your best bet for trying to edit ENV's for P4G I fear
burnt valve
those filters have to exist in some capacity I think, or at least P4 has them even if P3 doesn't
burnt valve
(though that being said what you probably *can* do is load up that file in a hex...
that was kind of my plan for making the template tbh lol
I thought the pio template would be more fleshed out than it ultimately was. it seems though like the P4G ENV editor is our best bet for ENV documentation in general. might have more features than the other ones (which I suppose is a good thing lol) but either way it's also just functional
but my thought was like ok, I start with a base env. change one value, compare changes between the files
similar process to what I did to fix that one env issue that atake pointed out
frail radish
Yep that'd be the way to do it haha
scenic dust
<@229072191746998272> few questions for you since I think you're most qualified ...
Idk why saving wouldn't work. I could have a look into it at some point if you need it.
burnt valve
it would be helpful if you could 
lime abyss
@burnt valve Since i saw you doing/talking stuff with/about shadows, wanted to ask are you by any chance tackling the removed shadows from the 64 bit version compared to the 32 bit version?
burnt valve
TFP should already have many of the shadow fixes
yeah I'm curious if what I already contributed to tfp is what was being discussed bc that happened a while ago
lime abyss
ohh neat
yeah idk what exactly got removed but i know the house and the scene when you get from train had them removed or something
other than that idk what else but i guess more stuff got neutered
also what's TFP?
Also
Fog mod
what Contrast level should be used with it?
ohh neaaat
but since Fog is restoring PS2 graphics
is 3 the default then for it or we still doing 2?
gotcha
low meadow
i always use 1 because my monitors make the game look hella saturated for some reason, but it's really up to preference
desert meteor
I use 2 but I used to use 5 for a while there lmao
low meadow
you really wanted that yellow baked into your eyes
burnt valve
what Contrast level should be used with it?
low meadow
you know how much people love reading 
modest lynx
We’re Persona fans Rin
lime abyss
Reading? Not in this house!
burnt valve
only carpet in this house 😔
burnt valve
I mean it's just easier to say set contrast to 2 but truthfully the mod looks fine at 3 contrast too
quartz tendon
play on 5 to get the clearest image.
burnt valve
I just made a decision early on that I would develop around contrast level 2
sinful storm
kill your eyes playing on 5
quartz tendon
burnin' the retinas as they say
burnt valve
basically there's two contrast things to worry about when it comes to matching the image up as best as possible
- game contrast
- ENV contrast
game contrast: this is straightforward. P4G PC has a higher default contrast than Vita. not sure if vita even had contrast options, P4 certainly didn't though
ENV contrast: P4's ENVs are generally set to 1.00. P4G's are generally set to 1.05
so the easiest way to match the contrast up as closely as possible to make color and lighting changes is to just develop at 2 contrast. that way when I port the P4 ENVs over for initial testing, typically they're pretty close to how the final should look. usually the ENV contrast is set to 1.00 too but not always (it's higher/lower for some ENVs because of differences between P4 and P4G)
sinful storm
god it's kind of crazy how much better it looks
burnt valve
max has been working on updating the comparison site (hi @cyan crown ) but the github has a lot of pictures rn if you want to compare :)
burnt valve
no pressure haha I'm in the same boat
every time I have free time nowadays I'm way too tired to actually work on this mod despite how I wanted this next update to be out relatively quickly
burnt valve
GB ISSUES ARE FUCKING USELESS
THIS DOESNT HELP
literally ended up updating mod desc with this and i might leave it as a pinned comment too
burnt valve
i literally just ended up deleting the issue it is genuinely spam
burnt valve
very frustrated by how this user just does not understand
their new issue literally does not even give any more info and i cant resolve it
no one else here has pointed out any issues either
finite spire
It's def the dungeon gimmick
cyan crown
clearly that's max's alt
low meadow
i forgot there's more than one notable max in the persona sphere lol
finite spire
Midkip
burnt valve
sorry for lack of updates. my motivation to work on mods has been very low since i've been so busy irl. i've started getting skyboxes in (there is an option to retain the p4g starry nights too)
low meadow
the starry nights are the only improvement that i personally say p4g did better
most everything else, og p4 clears lol
good to see you taking care of life over modding tho 
burnt valve
i would like to mod more but it's been way too busy irl the last several weeks.... whenever i do have free time i dont want to mod lol
so much for this being a quick update...
burnt valve
the starry nights are the only improvement that i personally say p4g did better
...
i thought they looked really nice too so that's why i retained the option for them
i have two sets of custom ENVs to account for which skybox you're using
low meadow
the mod isn't huge in terms of filesize is it?
burnt valve
i can definitely cut down the size but i dont think it's too large rn
low meadow
i just never remember its size since r2 auto updates it for me lol
burnt valve
420 MB, I could probably shave off about 140 MB without much trouble but I have just been lazy about it
wet nymph
i forgot about the texture thing
burnt valve
hopefully that one will be properly looked at over winter break
wet nymph
true
though it is also kind of a minor thing
since this area of the game shows up like
three times?
burnt valve
is in the big config
burnt valve
mhm it's had one for a while
expanded it significantly an update or two ago bc meovv kept complaining about it
wet nymph
maybe it was out a year ago when i last played
burnt valve
wet nymph
and i didn't see
burnt valve
(jokes aside, while he did complain briefly about it, i figured it was a good idea to give more comprehensive control over fields)
wet nymph
maybe it was out a year ago when i last played
i play this game once or twice a year so i get to see the incremental progress
burnt valve
i feel bad for keeping people waiting but that's just how it is with my jobbed ass 😭
it's to the point where i am a little worried about p4r dropping too close to when i finish this mod lmao but
wet nymph
who cares since p4 remake will be shit!
burnt valve
hopefully not!
i already committed to finishing this mod either way, p4r isn't going to stop that
(finishing = getting to a state i consider sufficiently finished i don't think it will ever truly be "finished")
i think eventually i'll get to the point where there's small imperfections or things i would've wanted to fix but just decided was too much trouble
wet nymph
hopefully not!
hopefully it will!
i want it to fail so hard they give up on unreal engine
severe reef
I'm still gonna have to redub the entire game lol
wet nymph
i refuse to make unreal stuff again
maybe should learn how to make p4 mods though
it is my favorite one and the only mods i've made have been for p5
severe reef
pretty easy
I have no clue how to model but I do know how to edit a lot of other things lol
wet nymph
i'm most proficient with modelling
though i've been learning text editing for my removing morgana mod
though idk what i'd even change models wise about p4
ig yu's uniform always kinda bothered me
the cuffs at least
severe reef
hope you enjoy editing like 200 models of Yu lol
wet nymph
is the file structure that bad?
severe reef
no they made several models that are only used once in cutscenes
severe reef
Yu alone has like 300
wet nymph
i didn't realize the street texture was also blurry
finite spire
i feel bad for keeping people waiting but that's just how it is with my jobbed a...
J*b
I feel ya
wet nymph
that'll be annoying
all i wanna do is tuck in his shirt and remove those cuffs 😭
man it's kinda hard to think of things to mod with p4 when i already think it's perfect
and i can't mod p3r because it's UE
so i'm stuck in limbo modding p5
which i constantly complain about lol
low meadow
i mean you could mod p3re
fmodel exists
severe reef
I'm still confused with that lol
wet nymph
i mean you could mod p3re
fmodel exists
sounds vaguely familiar
burnt valve
and i can't mod p3r because it's UE
what
p3r is moddable?
also why would you actively wish for a P4 release to be bad 
burnt valve
I feel ya
it is what it is, I've made it clear already so people can either help me out or accept that I will just be taking my time lol
I got the clear night skyboxes done yesterday. cloudy and rainy is next and then I'll probably release
quartz tendon
Yu alone has like 300
Each character does
tacit viper
i wish they just stayed on p5 engine
i wished this once too and then the monkey's paw curled with metaphor
quartz tendon
There's about 30 variations of the same looking model
What separates them is animations
quartz tendon
i want it to fail so hard they give up on unreal engine
Just because you're not willing to learn UE?
That's extremely silly
wet nymph
also why would you actively wish for a P4 release to be bad <:dark:1170927971037...
P4 is my favorite
And I'm a purist
I want them to stop wasting time on unreal engine nonsense and make new games again
wet nymph
Just because you're not willing to learn UE?
I did learn UE once, it sucked.
cerulean ember
I should be more free after my exams to start gathering footage for the trailer.
wet nymph
I'm not wasting my time reinstalling UE again
quartz tendon
Nothing you say is making sense to me
"why would you wish for a p4 release to be bad"
"p4 is my favourite"
cerulean ember
Listen, it's best we chat this outside the thread for this mod.
wet nymph
I'll just leave at I dislike remakes and unreal engine immensely
cursive cosmos
If it makes you feel any better, I agree with you completely
wet nymph
W
cursive cosmos
Low tech as Metaphor may be, I'd much rather have a game with "PS3 graphics" but a consistent art direction than something like P3 Reload where its got the shiny UE pre-build graphics pipeline masking an inconsistent art direction
wet nymph
Ok back to talking about fog mod
burnt valve
the only thing I will say is that while I understand and generally agree with the sentiment that we need newer titles rather than more remakes, P4R is already in development as is. I would like it to at least be good since they've already committed to it
it won't replace the original releases for me but I still would like it to be good lol
cursive cosmos
I agree with Brawler there to an extent, yeah
burnt valve
I should be more free after my exams to start gathering footage for the trailer.
thank you :)
burnt valve
Listen, it's best we chat this outside the thread for this mod.
I agree with this otherwise I think this is a better discussion for one of the general persona talk channels
I can share dev builds if you guys want I just haven't been haha
burnt valve
also wow yeah that's better
for example this field is different, iirc there's a bit more fog?
might be more red idr
wet nymph
for example this field is different, iirc there's a bit more fog?
Tbh i can't tell much of a difference
wet nymph
No i mean fog on vs off
burnt valve
as stated I haven't publicly shown any changes to that field
the current release has that env being completely unchanged
next update will have that
wet nymph
So why does the texture thing happen then
burnt valve
field model edit vs field env edit
model edit applies to the field at all times. envs are dependent on time/weather
burnt valve
Oh, I'd like some dev builds.
will send tonight 🙏
burnt valve
the reason the mod isn't done yet is primarily bc I haven't finished all the ENVs (they take quite a bit of time)
the model edits are a bonus really
burnt valve
this is completely custom (skybox). how does this look.
there's no reference from p4 so i have to just make up stuff here
truthfully it bothers me how bright this is lol even if technically a bit more accurate to how p4 would've probably handled it (the real problem is the uniform lighting in p4g for this area)
finite spire
It sucks
I'd imagine that kind of lighting on a more well lit location than what the shopping district actually has
tacit viper
there's no reference from p4 so i have to just make up stuff here
wait huh
can you not go here at night
burnt valve
I'd imagine that kind of lighting on a more well lit location than what the shop...
yeah p4 handles it like this but p4g lighting stuff makes something like this a good bit harder than i expected
this actually looks decent
maybe i will go through and deviate from p4 a bit here since p4g doesnt seem like it can have similar lighting here without a ton of effort
severe reef
there's no reference from p4 so i have to just make up stuff here
what about the car crash scene?
finite spire
That's a good point actually, that should be in P4
My bet is the p4g one is just the default
burnt valve
good call
finite spire
Nah the P4G one is better
burnt valve
the chara lighting is a bit off
finite spire
No shadows
burnt valve
well unfortunately this is still a useful reference lol
thanks for the idea
it's misleading bc this field is technically not 008_001
it's 008_010
finite spire
this is completely custom (skybox). how does this look.
This is super kiwami btw
burnt valve
it is a bit kiwami but it's faithful
i didnt have any cloudy inaba references and now i do
ignore skybox
i think i'll manually apply lighting changes to the charas as they feel too out of place rn
i'll probably use this as a reference for other custom fields since i had no good reference prior
burnt valve
severe reef
muddy af lol
burnt valve
@cerulean ember hi
this has everything done except rainy nights those are still wip
burnt valve
muddy af lol
probably a little too foggy yeah
burnt valve
is that any better
severe reef
still a lil muddy
burnt valve
too foggy?
severe reef
lil better
burnt valve
i think i am just going to leave it like this
ngl
i will try to finish this up tomorrow. i think i could have today if it wasn't for these field overhauls i ended up doing
they look better for sure but it did take time
desert meteor
Everything's looking good Brawler
burnt valve
thanks :)
low meadow
rin approved
burnt valve
once this drops I only have foggy fields and golden fields left and then I think I can safely call this 100% done
tbf golden fields/ENVs are not insignificant
I could also call foggy fields 100% and do golden fields afterwards
basically:
- foggy fields are every single available field, both during the day and at night. pretty big undertaking but no skybox to worry about for any of them which is big
- every single field with rain also has a thunderstorm ENV
- most fields will have winter snowing ENVs
- P4G's new fields need to account for all available weather types
so actually still a decent amount of work left lmao
finite spire
Cooked when you hit nighttime winter
burnt valve
how bad could it possibly be
quartz tendon
once this drops I only have foggy fields and golden fields left and then I think...
dude this is huge!!!
astral fiber
https://tenor.com/view/oncele-how-bad-can-i-be-gif-22722206
posting the onceler should be a bannable offense 
burnt valve
maybe I will finish the mod by the two year anniversary... 😭
modest lynx
If you lock in
burnt valve
big if
finite spire
Can't lock in if you don't have time
burnt valve
yeah LMAO
burnt valve
I got that earlier this year actually lol
i also have like. idk 2-3 hours of free time every day right now and yk sometimes I don't want to use that to mod bc I don't have an unhealthy obsession with modding these games...
quasi igloo
we appreciate a healthy work life balance and attitude to hobbies/fandom in this space
burnt valve
true although brawler also wishes he had more time in general lmao
bc my work life balance as of late has not been great :')
finite spire
Right now I just wish I had time to just sleep
Sure as hell I'm not getting that until....the 13th
wet nymph
we appreciate a healthy work life balance and attitude to hobbies/fandom in this...
Bro saying that in persona fan server
wet nymph
there's persona fans here?
i wouldn't know i'm not one of them
cerulean ember
<@285205988225843201> hi
this has everything done except rainy nights those are ...
Literally just got this, I can finally test this shiiitttttt
burnt valve
Literally just got this, I can finally test this shiiitttttt
this one has new night rainy fields. i think this is the final version before release unless you notice any bugs or issues :)
cerulean ember
Will do in a few
burnt valve
thank you take your time
burnt valve
for anyone else: here are the (mostly) final ENVs for the update.
unlike with prev updates I am more open for feedback on these since many of these are custom (not all though)
low meadow
might be a minor nitpick and just my own opinion
but i feel like the shrine should definitely look hella foggy at night
burnt valve
you can consider skyboxes now
burnt valve
but i feel like the shrine should definitely look hella foggy at night
any particular reason?
burnt valve
unfortunately every single floodplain ENV has a P4 equivalent haha (that's why it's so blue)
cerulean ember
My current run is in the summer and every instance of the rainy nights I had was mostly locked in cutscenes.
burnt valve
if it isn't obvious I am cheating by free roaming there. normally you can only see that field during a few events like dojima's social link and nanako's kidnapping
cerulean ember
The river is pretty good, Imma do a shot of me fishing as one does.
low meadow
any particular reason?
you need level 2 courage to even go there at night iirc
it should look spooky
gleaming yacht
for anyone else: here are the (mostly) final ENVs for the update.
unlike with pr...
It might just be me, but the second to last image, in the shopping district looks too gray and not very saturated
cerulean ember
burnt valve
The river is pretty good, Imma do a shot of me fishing as one does.
you could but I don't think there would be much point to that bc it was already in the prior updates
cerulean ember
I am also doing a quick check- I recall something. Also I saw this, nice.
burnt valve
it should look spooky
ok, fair. I can try to give it a pass. I think I will probably focus on making it less foggy during clear nights though
burnt valve
It might just be me, but the second to last image, in the shopping district look...
the way I would primarily address this is to increase the ambient lighting a little bit. I'd probably have to do it with the third to last image as well just for consistency though - they're both part of the shopping district after all
burnt valve
I am also doing a quick check- I recall something. Also I saw this, nice.
thank you haha that one has also been in for a while but it still looks pretty nice in my imo
admittedly I do think the last one (samegawa cloudy) looks a little dark but I was trying to match P4 as closely as possible there
gleaming yacht
woops I meant to refer to the last one in that group of photos
cerulean ember
Did check the last one and compared it. Not sure if is that noticable. It has been awhile since I got a chance to actually play this outside of a single day in game.
burnt valve
woops I meant to refer to the last one in that group of photos
so this is how it looks in og for reference
burnt valve
Did check the last one and compared it. Not sure if is that noticable. It has be...
there's something I will probably need to focus down and fix tomorrow or this weekend
doesn't look right lol
seems p4 also has this, which i didnt see with my previous save
looks pretty similar to the floodplain actually
gleaming yacht
so this is how it looks in og for reference
no im sorry I meant the last shopping district photo in that group 😭😭😭
burnt valve
looks pretty similar to the floodplain actually
i figured out why. it's bc it is lmao
there are no ENVs for this area at night as it turns out
so I guess more custom work
burnt valve
no im sorry I meant the last shopping district photo in that group 😭😭😭
better?
hm that's a subtle change
it's hard to get this to look a ton better without potentially making it too bright
gleaming yacht
It does look better
I just felt that the buildings blended in with the skybox
But now it looks pretty good
burnt valve
cool :) thanks
burnt valve
but i feel like the shrine should definitely look hella foggy at night
first draft. thoughts? (anyone else should give feedback too)
low meadow
is the first image the original for comparison?
well "original" that you posted earlier lol
burnt valve
no, it's clear night
low meadow
ah
burnt valve
all new. clear night, cloudy, rainy
low meadow
i had no idea p4g had so many weather states
burnt valve
there's a few
low meadow
anyways
the way the cloudy and rainy nights look is really good but it feels a bit too bright on the clear night
looks decently spoopy :3
burnt valve
i would imagine a clear night would be slightly brighter than a cloudy night
i could slightly increase fog but i'd feel weird doing much more bc it is a clear night
low meadow
yeah i get it
i think it'd be funny if all of inaba was clear except heavy ass fog on the shrine
burnt valve
yeah i get it haha
low meadow
you see the vision
burnt valve
i think at least with cloudy and esp rainy i capture the vibe a bit more, with clear night it's like oh why is it foggier here than normal
bc like rainy is already pretty creepy i think
low meadow
for sure
rainy night is 100% "you need more courage to set foot in here at night" energy
burnt valve
heres what im willing to do. now clear and cloudy nights have the same amount of fog and it's slightly darker on clear nights
(the others are unchanged, just there for reference)
low meadow
me likey :3
burnt valve
the skybox on cloudy night is fucked in the pics but i have fixed it
I think I will experiment with making cloudy slightly darker tomorrow but I will put these edits in when I'm home
I'll try to aim for something in between, maybe closer to the rainy lighting
low meadow
foggy ass shrine is peak
i can't wait for you to have to make this mod for p4r
-# /hj
burnt valve
ik meovv is already interested in the idea of a fog mod for that game
I'd be interested in it if only to try to restore the energy of the original, but I worry it may require too much in the way of texture editing
cursive cosmos
I actually think it might be easier thanks to the game being on Unreal Engine
It'd be something along the lines of those silent hill no fog mods
only in reverse i guess
wet nymph
silent hill no fog
bruh who is playing that
burnt valve
p4 without fog would be a funny mod but it's not really possible in P4G without more substantial code edits
might be possible in P4R though
kinda like a, what would the world look like from your perspective wearing glasses that cut through the fog
quartz tendon
If it only applied to the TV world once you get a pair yeah that would be sick
Assuming they put fog in dungeons
burnt valve
@scenic dust up to you whether you consider this a priority bc it's not a steam version of the game but if you have time, motivation, and an MS exe of P4G?
wet nymph
wow looking at chie's default portraits is so weird
i've grown so accustomed to the timeskip hair mod
burnt valve
??????????????????????????
wet nymph
this game is dogshit
also simply incorrect
wet nymph
??????????????????????????
bruh where's the filter
low meadow
these video files aren't loading lol
burnt valve
bruh where's the filter
i removed it and reverted to stock
low meadow
why is it two different environments lmao
wet nymph
idk what the issue is tbh
flat dagger
I think the road mesh is moving at a different speed than the rest of the map LMAOOOO
burnt valve
i am testing completely stock just to be sure
flat dagger
that map moves under naoto to give the illusion her ass is running
burnt valve
DUDE
THIS IS IN STOCK
BRUHHHHHHH
THIS GAME IS DOGSHIT
WAIT WAIT
THIS IS IN PS2 AS WELL
LMAOOOOOOOO
ok well that's really funny
i think i will make no attempt to fix this rn but that's so funny
low meadow
why do these vids not load for me until i start bitching
i really don't see the issue in these i must be blind 
burnt valve
look at the road beneath naoto relative to the leaves
tacit viper
i can kinda see it if i focus really hard on the ground
but its still eh
i thought the original disbelief was the fact that it was Kiwami in your first video
burnt valve
well
that is the intended look actually
LMAO
the road texture thing isnt actually that bad but its funny that its there
tacit viper
persona is... supposed to be 
...?
burnt valve
i feel like you wouldnt notice it in practice since theres dialogue boxes on the screen almost the whole time, blocking the road
kiwami
tacit viper
~~plus if you're witnessing the scene ingame, chances are you'll be caught up in the story and not the road you can barely see for like 2 seconds ~~
burnt valve
~~plus if you're witnessing the scene ingame, chances are you'll be caught up in...
yeah LMAO
same thing as I'll Face Myself being partly broken
tacit viper
i dont know of this one
wet nymph
i did not know this was a thing
burnt valve
@red root also really loves persona 4 golden because there are so few issues with the bustups
wet nymph
i love p4 because it's the best
burnt valve
@cerulean ember hi (fix for the naoto running scene, night time shrine adjustments)
burnt valve
i love p4 because it's the best
keep in mind, modders have suffered enough with the stupid jank in these games that we are allowed to call them shit lol (we don't actually mean it)
tacit viper
<@464653509107777536> also really loves persona 4 golden because there are so fe...
shoutout to dojima stubble in teeth
wet nymph
dojima built different 
astral fiber
keep in mind, modders have suffered enough with the stupid jank in these games t...
i mean it 
the only good persona game is P4D
frail radish
i feel like you wouldnt notice it in practice since theres dialogue boxes on the...
honestly i wouldn't be surprised if they never even noticed when making this scene cuz yeah with the textboxes it's really not that visible but sheesh 
burnt valve
does anyone know how to get nuget to work for pak emulator... i found file emulator but unsure how to directly call pak emu from there
or do i have to still manually add pak emu as a submodule
astral fiber
or do i have to still manually add pak emu as a submodule
^ though i'd recommend just using the DLL
burnt valve
sighhhhh
astral fiber
doesn't seem like that one was is on nuget
finite spire
THIS GAME IS DOGSHIT
I always knew you'll accept the truth eventually.
burnt valve
dont worry this isnt new
speaking of that i now have to go back to those fuck ass fog particles
severe reef
what's left now?
finite spire
He said ass particles
burnt valve
cerulean ember
<@285205988225843201> hi (fix for the naoto running scene, night time shrine adj...
Ooooo, will check tomorrow 
wet nymph
the best way to make persona 5 better is to remove things 
low meadow
delete the whole game
wet nymph
True!
low meadow
@burnt valve you didn't include ModConfig.json in your 1.8.0 update so r2 never actually updates anything
sinful storm
r2 moment?
low meadow
r2 issue?
burnt valve
I believe so. I just published another mod and it did not have a modconfig.json either
well i'm gonna say this one may not be my fault but still lol
astral fiber
brawler is banned from modding 
burnt valve
it's not an issue to manually add it right 🤔
astral fiber
it's not an issue to manually add it right 🤔
nah
though you should probably fix your reloaded lol
burnt valve
is this only a me problem
astral fiber
probably a new issue from last update: https://github.com/Reloaded-Project/Reloaded-II/releases/tag/1.29.4
astral fiber
burnt valve
well it took 3 years to open the publish menu in remix 😔
astral fiber
well it took 3 years to open the publish menu in remix 😔
you realize the publisher is untouched in remix 
burnt valve
well well well
burnt valve
you realize the publisher is untouched in remix <:RyoPeek:1039909335981109278>
idk what to say on my machine it loaded stock r2's publish menu very quickly 
remix is pretty cool though. if only it had the option to let me set custom global themes
astral fiber
idk what to say on my machine it loaded stock r2's publish menu very quickly <:S...
did you wait for it to finish checking updates though...
burnt valve
yeah i had it download the latest mod loader update and mod updates first
astral fiber
both reloaded's hitch for me when it completes
astral fiber
it opens in like 1-2 secs for me
burnt valve
i need the opposite of the works on my machine sticker
burnt valve
fym no 😭
low meadow
i need the opposite of the works on my machine sticker
"works on everyone's machine but mine"
astral fiber
my favorite 2.5 bug(?) is ocean's 2.5 opens the game when trying to open the app folder 
sinful storm
mine is the index out of range crash that happens 1/10 opens
burnt valve
honestly I think genuinely my biggest issue with remix is the theme changing lmao I want it to be constant
astral fiber
honestly I think genuinely my biggest issue with remix is the theme changing lma...
just add a rin file 
like 90% sure it'd probably do what you want
burnt valve
add a @low meadow file? 🤔
astral fiber
mine is the index out of range crash that happens 1/10 opens <:naosmiley:1015095...
also happens in 2, though maybe less frequently? or maybe both have gone up in frequency after NET 9
and seemingly neither sewer or i care to fix it lol
sinful storm
where does it even come from lol
astral fiber
where does it even come from lol
file/folder watchers which update your mods list in real time whenever you add/remove mods in the mods folder instead of reloaded
and lowkey, the root of so many other oddities in r2 imo, like duplicating mods/apps
round rock
astral fiber
just add a png file named rin.file to the root folder and it'll use it as the bg
sinful storm
lmao?
low meadow
named after me frfr
burnt valve
<@188710504313782272> you didn't include ModConfig.json in your 1.8.0 update so ...
ok so this wasn't my fault after all, this is an issue with 1.29.3/4
lol
low meadow
nah i’m still gonna blame you brawler
scenic dust
<@131175789138935808> up to you whether you consider this a priority bc it's not...
I don't have a copy of the exe so that'd be the biggest problem rn. If someone can find a copy for me I'll have a look at some point. It's probably easy to fix
burnt valve
hmm let's ask in a different channel
burnt valve
ok if anyone has any ideas with this that would be great but i'm trying to find where p4 ps2 stores its fog particles
p4g stores them in field/pack, inside the AMDs marked as rmd
i have. no idea where the p4 ones are though. i've looked through the files for a bit now to no avail.
if anyone has time to help look it would be greatly appreciated..
i think there is one per field, but I checked P4's RMDs to no avail
frail radish
are you looking for a mesh or for textures?
cuz I think the textures should just be in DATA.CVM/FIELD (the FLDMP_M*.TMX files), not sure where any meshes that actually use them are though unfortunately 
burnt valve
oh inch resting
so p4 has universal fog textures but p4g does not
that's funny
well unfortunately i need the meshes
burnt valve
i do not understand where this stuff is stored bc i've looked thru the p4 files multiple times to no avail
😭
frail radish
inb4 hardcoded
Do you have the debug logging pnach codes for PS2? Maybe it can point you somewhere...
burnt valve
i dont... i didnt know they existed
frail radish
You'll have to make the pnach files manually and paste the actual codes in but that's not so hard (just reference another one)
burnt valve
hmm i dont think it's logging the files loaded
oh wait i think its bc i did this wrong
is this right or...
i have no idea what im doing with pnachs
i tried initially copy pasting it in, saw it didnt work, then looked at other pnachs and was like oh
ok honestly i am out of ideas with both this and also looking thru files. i feel like it has to be somewhere in the files it would be odd if it wasnt
but ive been spending too much time on this
burnt valve
i lied i had a few more ideas first.
particles are probably called by the ENV but they (obviously) aren't stored in the ENV
fbns control... npcs and stuff, probably not this fog shit
burnt valve
ok now i'm out of ideas lol i wanted to mess with changing some more but i've got nothing. changed a few files around to no avail
maybe i'll look more later but that's very frustrating
low meadow
did you ever get the cloudy night shrine env fixed up?
burnt valve
wdym
frail radish
hmm i dont think it's logging the files loaded
hmm... tried making the pnach myself (basically exactly what you have) and it worked for me...
do you have Enable EE Console Logging checked? (under the Debug option in the menu bar)
When I turned that off it stopped printing output so maybe that's it
burnt valve
yes i have it enabled
frail radish
burnt valve
yeah it's not working for me....
burnt valve
well.... do you want to look into it then 😭
i wonder how helpful that log is though..
i have cheats enabled rn i have EE console logging i've got all of this shit
frail radish
i wonder how helpful that log is though..
well you can have a peek at what it printed for me to get an idea
burnt valve
im not convinced this log is all that helpful either ngl
frail radish
understandable
burnt valve
well
maybe you should go to the rooftop (006_014) on a foggy day
but the log doesnt seem to have much rn otherwise
burnt valve
i did fix yes
frail radish
maybe you should go to the rooftop (006_014) on a foggy day
hrmm do you happen to have a save for that i can use cuz i don't really have any on hand for ps2
burnt valve
yeah hang on
i downloaded these anyways
i would load the 12/23 save and mod menu to 006_014
frail radish
i would load the 12/23 save and mod menu to 006_014
burnt valve
thanks I'll look thru this log and hopefully there's something.....
why is it loading this on a foggy day
hmmmm
wet nymph
hmm i think i prefer daytime to have the standard P4G effects
next forum
i wished this once too and then the monkey's paw curled with metaphor
how did they make the environments so damn ugly 😭
burnt valve
hmmmm
sorry I forgot to follow up on this but well I didn't find anything of note so idk
I'm genuinely kinda baffled like we looked through the models. no signs of any meshes for the fog particles
tacit viper
how did they make the environments so damn ugly 😭
i liked modding p5r's files at the time and then shocker they updated the formats
burnt notch
Got these error messages in the ms store version
I reported on gamebanana, but the creator wanted to have a deeper look into it
The skybox on sunny days is the default one from P4G, so the skyboxes really don't work
But the lightning and fog effects work as intended
burnt valve
can you share your MS store P4G.exe?
the skybox stuff is done with a memory patch for the exe. however the mod was developed for the steam version using the steam version's exe only...
wet nymph
i liked modding p5r's files at the time and then shocker they updated the format...
i like the format because it's the only way to mod that i know
and i refuse to figure out UE
burnt valve
I have other stuff to prioritize for right now but at least I got the update out. this is basically me saying I probably won't work on the mod for a bit besides small things if needed
I don't know how to solve the fog particle issue still, though. I was hoping we could find anything in the P4 files to work with, but. nothing!
i guess this is an open request lol. if anyone wants to see if they can find how fog particles are handled I would greatly appreciate that. I know how they're handled in P4G, and in P4 they're handled by textures, but otherwise I can't figure out the rest
otherwise I might try to get help figuring out field imports so I can approximate the effect, or in the short term I just copy the lighting and colors but not the fog effects
burnt notch
Hope this works it took a while to figure out how to share a file (yes, I'm an idiot)
scenic dust
I already got one from Rirurin but thanks anyway 😄
I was analysing it the other day but I forgot and turned off my computer before it had finished 
I'll just let it run for an hour or so and hopefully work with that instead when I get the time. Should be this weekend if not a little sooner.
burnt valve
@tribal bay hi! hope you don't mind the ping, but you seem to already be pretty experienced with working with the ps2 persona games so maybe you might have some ideas with this.
i'm trying to find the meshes for the p4 fog particles but they don't seem to be in a straightforward place at all in the files unlike with p4g. would you happen to know any sort of way to check for those? we've already tried using the debug logging codes to see if they're loaded in particular assets, but to no avail. if this isn't something you know a ton about that's ok, just wondering if maybe you know something i don't about the ps2 persona file structures or similar
tribal bay
tbh I really don't have much experience with persona ps2 games but I can look into it tomorrow. Maybe I can find something
burnt valve
dang I think maybe you gave me the impression that you knew more then 😭 my bad haha
sinful storm
i mean they are making new aemulus
that requires some knowledge of the ps2 games' file structure, i guess
burnt valve
don't worry about it if you have trouble finding it! it's mainly that we searched for relevant files for a while and only ever found textures. I'm also realizing I did not give a lot of context so let me do that in a minute
wondering if it's possible that something like meshes would not be stored within the main game data somehow. that feels really weird but I'm just not familiar with the way PS2 games work
alright context! this is how fog looks in p4 vs p4g (p4g uses a simple filter in this field at least, p4 has a full mesh)
trying to find this mesh has been problematic in general. in p4g if there is a mesh it's stored in field/pack in one of the RMD archives. for example, the area outside dojima residence has its fog mesh stored in m007_013.AMD in field/pack/f007_001_rmd.arc
kinda hard to look at without a video but
point is, p4g makes it easy to find the meshes if they're present. p4 however does not make it easy at all. both me and moddaman looked through the p4 files and only found textures, but we only looked through assets dumped from the CVM archives
tribal bay
i'll take a look tomorrow. I think the PCSX2 GS debugger is useful for this case? You can dump a frame with the graphic data
burnt valve
thanks :) would be big if true I've never heard of that tho ngl
tribal bay
the fog appears to be generated with a "plane" looking to the camera
well a lot of planes lol
in the second video you can see how them are looking to the camara
red root
did they just cut them because of the camera changes?
tribal bay
maybe?
tribal bay
here is the texture used by the planes
the texture doesn't seem to change over time so I think what's actually animated are the planes
tribal bay
the texture is independent of the field. it does not change
burnt valve
ok so fog particles in P4 work similarly to P4G
then why the hell can we not find the corresponding meshes lmao
burnt valve
did they just cut them because of the camera changes?
no they're still present in other fields. just not this one specifically
probably another one of their art direction changes
burnt valve
this wouldn't by chance happen to give file paths anywhere would it?
tribal bay
sadly not, it is only the dump of the GS (graphic unit of the PS2)
burnt valve
sad....
honestly I think something like this is still useful to use just to visualize where the planes are placed but that's really unfortunate regardless
tribal bay
in the second video you can see how them are looking to the camara
them are not looking at camera lol just randomly rotated
tribal bay
honestly I think something like this is still useful to use just to visualize wh...
if it's a model, it will likely appear in the atlus logs i think
burnt valve
that's the thing... it didn't
but there is a limitation to the ATLUS debug logging
it will only report top level archives, so there's a non zero chance we just missed the models inside the archives (but amicitia also provides an easy preview)
tribal bay
there is a function with a "fog field" debug print but sadly seems not to be used in the game
burnt valve
i found something rather interesting... could you send that blend over?
i suspect this might be the right model, what we're trying to figure out mainly is the density of the fog particles
it does look like a bunch of planes after all...
tribal bay
them are not looking at camera lol just randomly rotated
this one?
here is the script for blender
burnt valve
thank you!!
tribal bay
them are not looking at camera lol just randomly rotated
this is the frame btw
burnt valve
oh shoot actually do you have one for the rooftop?
tribal bay
burnt valve
ok this is a dumb question but i am not very good with blender so treat me like i know nothing lmao
what is that script for?
tribal bay
when you import the .obj (screenshots_3d/Persona4.../shot_2025... .obj) in blender it will be insanely big and in one mesh
the script (actually a plugin) will just adjust the model size and separete the meshes
to import the model in blender go to file -> import Wavefront (.obj) and uncheck "validate meshes" and check "vertex groups"
to add the plugin go to edit (at the top) -> preferences -> Add-ons -> install from disk
to use the plugin press N -> PCSX2 Ripper
"scale objects" and then "separete by materials"
burnt valve
what exactly does that scale objects thing do? it just kinda makes everything disappear for me
tribal bay
zoom in
burnt valve
I forgot to say but: I have good news! I was able to find the mesh for the rooftop at least based off of this. thanks so much for the help :)
at least, I'm pretty reasonably confident it is. the GS dump appears to be a bit more warped but the shape is pretty recognizable
now I think the problem is having to find the remaining meshes and bringing this over to P4G properly. the reason I couldn't find this originally was because the model has no assigned textures (so in the amicitia preview it's invisible) + I had no idea what the fog particles looked like (ex: with the planes and stuff)
the other weird thing is that the fog texture doesn't seem to be consistent with what's in P4 PS2... it looks a lot thicker although maybe it's actually fine in-game idk
tribal bay
https://github.com/scurest/pcsx2 this is the fork that I used to take the GS shots if you need to take more
You just need to switch the renderer to "Software" and take the GS dump as normally
tribal bay
I forgot to say but: I have good news! I was able to find the mesh for the rooft...
tbh i thought i wasn't going to find anything it's a honor! 
i really love this mod so i'm glad i could help (even if it's just a little)
sudden ether
That solution is so ooga booga in fascinated
Actually... I'm surprised that you can just dump whatever is on the GS and make it a .obj
That's neat asf
burnt valve
~~tbh i thought i wasn't going to find anything~~ it's a honor! <:chieheart:7472...
honestly you helped a lot because I had been asking around with this prior and I was at my wit's ends with this. I was worried I'd have to settle for a half assed solution so I'm really glad I don't have to 😭
so I appreciate it very much, it's more helpful than you think
red root
the fog is coming for real
twilit harbor
Fog time
sinful raft
My laptop isn’t very good, and it’s kind of silly, but the mod increased my FPS xD. Good job, guys!
sinful storm
fog is upgrading computers
low meadow
now make it kiwami........
burnt valve
...huh. I wasn't expecting that lol
that was not an intended side effect but... yay? 😭
astral fiber
halcyon ledge
i am 2026
tacit viper
no you’re The Elder Scrolls VI
burnt notch
Will the tree textures be changed?
Oh btw how I disable dynamic shadows for a more accurate ps2 look?
low meadow
Will the tree textures be changed?
been discussed numerous times here and doesn't seem feasible
leaf textures have been darkened so they don't look as bad but the models from ps2 are just too different
spring plover
so is this not gonna be on vita anymore? :(
burnt valve
already addressed this one multiple times - no. if someone wants to port it themselves, they can provided they follow the license.
I have had no direct involvement in any ports. the previous port was deleted bc the person who made it threw a temper tantrum one day and deleted it.
wet nymph
erm just get a steam deck
spring plover
hey brawler, someone sent me a vita version of the mod, and they wanted me to let you know cause its your mod and all that
tacit viper
i would imagine its heavily outdated if they didnt just port it themselves
spring plover
Yeah I wouldnt know lol
All the person said is that the overworkd would be a bit funky but that the dungeons would be alright
He says "its the latest update from a month ago, minus the texture stuff"
burnt valve
I am aware of people on piracy forums porting the mod to vita and maybe PC 32bit, but for the most part they tend to do their own thing and stay away from GB (where a lot of us tend to host mods)
which I mean, as long as they're following the license, they don't need to ask permission to port anyways
but I have never been directly involved in making a port - one of the big challenges is recreating the necessary code for skyboxes, especially on vita. otherwise I would've expected someone to have already posted ports on GB by now
with the texture stuff, they can't do much about skyboxes without reverse engineering, but there's a lot of basic texture swaps that wouldn't be too hard to do, they just need to replace the internal textures rather than the external tex2 ones that I replace
burnt valve
hey brawler, someone sent me a vita version of the mod, and they wanted me to le...
big wall of text aside, I appreciate them doing that but I'm unsure if they want me to do anything with that info? 😆 like idk if anything's being asked of me here lol
spring plover
No no they just wanted to let you know
They said they had been posting here before?
But they didnt want to annoy you with posting stuff on this forum specifically
burnt valve
well it would not be an issue if they posted it here
spring plover
fair enough
can't wait to play the mod though
which btw
i gotta ask
do i just put the mod.cpk in the repatch folder?
burnt valve
that I wouldn't know, I have never modded vita before
spring plover
ah fair enough
spring plover
anyways i just did the process but idk if the fog mod is even working or this cutins one i got
burnt valve
I think you'd be able to tell very quickly if either of them are working lol
if they aren't working, I would not be able to support as again I did not work on that vita port
spring plover
i genuinely don't really know but i did compare your video to my vita
the scenery in the station cutscene at the start looked similar
so i guess it does?
but i will check back with person to see if i did the process correctly
ok so the cut in mods aint working...damn..
burnt valve
quartz tendon
why
tacit viper
six seven
astral fiber
frail radish
tacit viper
@burnt valve didnt know if you knew this existed but ive seen you complain about the tab before lol
tacit viper
ohh lol
burnt notch
So uhh how's the mod progress going?
quartz tendon
you can check completion % on gamebanana
cursive cosmos
burnt notch
Lul
molten estuary
burnt valve
so question for everyone here. one of the hold ups with the mod is that the December fog is handled a bit differently in P4 than P4G. I'm still trying to figure out the specifics of how those fog particles work, there's a lot of unknowns. I could just do P4 lighting/colors with P4G particles though and it would be an ok solution until fog particles can be figured out, where i would do a second pass of all foggy fields.
or I can continue working through P4 particles and model imports, but then I'd only have to do one iteration of each field once I figure it out properly. thoughts?
burnt valve
this is gonna be tedious either way haha. at least I don't have to worry about skyboxes though
quartz tendon
Using p4g particles as a subsitute is fine, I'll try looking later today, got a few december saves anyway
finite spire
When the sky has boxes
burnt valve
Using p4g particles as a subsitute is fine, I'll try looking later today, got a ...
looking for?
quartz tendon
you mentioned you were trying to figure out the specifics of the fog particles
or do you mean the ones in vanilla p4
burnt valve
oh
well there's a few questions I have to work on figuring out
- how to do P4G field imports to import the P4 fog meshes in the first place (one bullet point but this is a lot apparently)
- how to make the fog mesh only show up under foggy conditions (I thought it was the env that determined it but I'm unsure I will need to look more into it)
actually both of these are pretty big in scope
lime abyss
If something is slowing you down and youre unsure about something, move on on the next thing you're sure about or you know it will take less time. Dont let a thing slow you down on the whole progress, also you might get frustrated if you do continue on the same thing youre stuck on
Also im so glad you're continuing with this mod even if Revival is coming
i'm sad that Persona 3 FES modding stopped because of Reload
That HD project will never be finished now, nor will Portable True HD 😔
quartz tendon
lime abyss
82% 3 years ago 🥀
the % was getting pumped out soo much back 3 years ago and it just crashed when Reload released 😔
tacit valley
82% 3 years ago 🥀
dude
first of all wrong thread but second it says in huge bold green letters that it's practically finished
atp I'll just change the number to 100% for the sake of it lol
white ruin
Something something persona fans can't read
lime abyss
first of all wrong thread but second it says in huge bold green letters that it'...
Ohh didn't know that, thought the % said what was done and what's not
tho iirc font stuff wasn't touched at all, like the load and save menu and stuff
remember couple of months ago people were doing more textures for it too so i considered that not finished
but yeah maybe add 100% if you think its done
low meadow
might i ask what this has to do with p4g fog restoration? 
tacit valley
tho iirc font stuff wasn't touched at all, like the load and save menu and stuff
the font was the first thing to be added to the mod lol
the one thing missing from the load/save menu was the "OK" when selecting a save, hardly a critical component of the game
also yea wrong thread again
burnt valve
atp I'll just change the number to 100% for the sake of it lol
barely related but I actually didn't move the progress counter for my mod at all last update bc I realized that I still had a decent amount of scope left
anyways I should probably say that I am probably moving in the next month or two so don't expect too much lol
burnt valve
so question for everyone here. one of the hold ups with the mod is that the Dece...
ok so this is using ENV tools as a stand-in for P4's fog particles which are meshes. is this too distracting?
(the fog particles not moving properly with camera movement like they would with a mesh, but rather being tied to on screen filters)
low meadow
yeah that's a little annoying
if you could somehow make it a little more transparent i think it could work
burnt valve
yeah the point was for them to not be transparent lol
low meadow
somewhere between fully transparent and where they are now is a sweet spot
burnt valve
using P4G's default alpha values but my custom fog particles
the intent was to have something that looks like this (this is ps2), but without proper mesh support rn, i am more open to feedback as these end up all being kinda placeholder with the particles
(note that when i do finally figure out mesh stuff it will be as simple as disabling these filters and letting the meshes do the work)
low meadow
using P4G's default alpha values but my custom fog particles
this is better imo
but my single opinion is not absolute so i'm willing to see what others think as well lol
it's a bit less distracting to do it subtly like that
burnt valve
and the last clip i will show is using P4G's filter settings (so not my custom fog particles)
i would say if you do not care much between those two, it would be far easier to copy P4G's filter settings
low meadow
the p4g one makes it look like the game is melting
i like your custom one more
burnt valve
unfortunately it's also more work lol
but
(like, a lot more work)
I redid the entire school today bc I felt like it
im gonna hold off on anything more until i hear what people say... but i probably shouldnt be working too much on this anyways lol i need to start packing
i'll post this here just so there's like a test build available for people to test out the school
low meadow
im gonna hold off on anything more until i hear what people say... but i probabl...
running away from the government spies, are we
mystic thicket
using P4G's default alpha values but my custom fog particles
I think this looks the best without proper mesh support.
burnt valve
I guess here're the questions I should present:
burnt valve
ok so this is using ENV tools as a stand-in for P4's fog particles which are mes...
- does this bother you/is this too distracting (again this is a placeholder until proper meshes are available)
burnt valve
using P4G's default alpha values but my custom fog particles
- do you think that having these custom fog filters but with lower alpha is significantly better than the stock P4G filters to the point where I should be putting this much effort into the fog filters rather than just copying P4G values. I understand why people would like them more but they really do take more effort overall
burnt valve
and the last clip i will show is using P4G's filter settings (so not my custom f...
(P4G fog filter for reference)
mystic thicket
Yes and yes.
cerulean ember
I could try and test this out when I get the chance.
flat dagger
scale is goofed and grass textures are causing me a bit of pain but getting there
burnt valve
looks like a lot of textures in general got shifted like the shadow map haha
pretty awesome to see this though :)
blissful mauve
twitter powerlines
flat dagger
twitter powerlines
thats what ive been naming my test models LMAOOO
flat dagger
looks like a lot of textures in general got shifted like the shadow map haha
yeah a bunch of meshes got scaled up and thus shifted, just need to figure out why it's happening. Iirc Rise's shadow boss model has same issue because of weird scale trolling
blissful mauve
thats what ive been naming my test models LMAOOO
Yeah that's what I'm referencing lol
flat dagger
how did you know I was naming them that 
blissful mauve
You've mentioned it before
burnt valve
i left it in the code as is 🙏
burnt valve
i am hoping fog particles as a model will be easier. i don't think it's a field import? it seems to be a separate model altogether
flat dagger
idr our convo about them, how do the p4g ones work again?
are they seperate models or built into the field?
because while yes I assume the cleaner way would be seperate models you will need to figure out how to call them when they need to be called
burnt valve
because while yes I assume the cleaner way would be seperate models you will nee...
i also do not think this is an issue either, they seem to be called completely independently of the ENV
maybe it will be easier than expected....
hopefully...
flat dagger
well then yeah that'd be piss easy
I'm pretty sure gmostudio is at a point you could do that right now actually
flat dagger
well no the updated one
burnt valve
i'll look later, hopefully it is pretty easy
flat dagger
the general flow would be
- export field model
- export field fog model
- line up p4 fog model in a good way on top of field fog skeleton
- do uv anims inside gmostudio or w/e (maybe the mesh is rotated instead and you need to animate that idk)
- export
burnt valve
unfortunately i am model challenged lol so we'll see how it goes
it doesn't sound unreasonable at least....
burnt valve
export p4g field and p4 fog right? or do i need p4g fog/p4 field too
flat dagger
first two i said should be p4g
then you'd basically line up p4 fog model over the extract p4g field, but put it over the p4g fog skeleton
burnt valve
i lied i think i will try to mess with it a bit rn
hmm actually i just realized this might actually still be a bit troublesome because some P4G fields do not have the fog particles as models in the field
so I guess I still need to figure out how they're called...
of course, unless p4g does call a model and they're just blank
wait a fucking second
this is just the p4 model I think????
flat dagger
disable backface culling to make it easier to see (its a toggle in view 
)
burnt valve
that did not change anything
burnt valve
here is model for reference
flat dagger
oh right theyre very transparent textures LMAOO
flat dagger
is this unused? 
burnt valve
just gonna get a pic in p4g for reference...
god i hope not
clearly not present...
i also don't know how it lines up with the p4g field though...
flat dagger
export to blender and find out 
burnt valve
i see...
flat dagger
burnt valve
this is so fascinating (unrelated)
just seeing how this whole area is modeled is cool
this program rly likes making dumps huh lol
is there a difference between glb and gltf i should know of
flat dagger
glb is better for this but gltf still works
flat dagger
this program rly likes making dumps huh lol
oh right I should fix that 💀
burnt valve
and then how do i get around... whatever is going on here haha (trying to zoom out and rotate camera)
(again: i am model challenged)
flat dagger
and then how do i get around... whatever is going on here haha (trying to zoom o...
hit n, go to view, increase the maximum to like 99999 and the minimum to 1
burnt valve
that partly helped... there's still a big ass mesh of some sort in the way though...
burnt valve
ahhh thank you
that's a big ass bone
hmmm (idk if there's a better way of showing this it's basically invisible in blender which is inch resting)
there are small particles present though... wonder if this is just backwards?...
no i guess not (I changed the mipmap material texture and there it is)
the default mipmap texture appears to be basically invisible so ?
am i understanding this right? change whatever texture this is and it should show up? or is that not how it works
this certainly is more visible.... i think this is probably missing uv anims but i just want to see if it works at all
i realized that gmostudio has the ability to swap textures
so im gonna try that but i am not 100% confident on the relationship between AMDs and GMOs.... my assumption is that this MODEL_DATA is the GMO in question but
that did not do it unfortunately. man...
no fog particles </3
in a shocking twist, it turns out the fog particles are there! they're just far out
further evidence that they are only present in the distance and not up close
they are actually present without the mod too, look closely in the background
probably really hard to see with the bitrate so you'll just have to trust me
burnt valve
hmmm (idk if there's a better way of showing this it's basically invisible in bl...
i guess that raises another question though. clearly there are planes here that should have the texture, yet ingame you can't see them. what's up with that? idk
flat dagger
what the hell lmao?????
burnt valve
almost looks like the model is misaligned (notice the fog cutting off at the top)
(this was with me reducing the fog; you cannot see the fog particles otherwise)
i'm not really sure what to make of this bc when i imported into blender it was lined up perfectly fine.... i think i should stop for today in any case
wouldn't suppose anyone has any ideas?
flat dagger
well i might be wrong but i think they call the root bone name to some specific coords... somewhere
so copy p4 coords maybe
burnt valve
i just find it odd bc this was the p4g model i was messing with
and in blender they seemed to line up as one would expect
flat dagger
well yes
if you summon them both at the origin of the scene
atlus doesn't have to do that if they call the models to a specific location
burnt valve
i see...
flat dagger
maybe they didn't like how they looked on vita and just moved them 8 billion light years away
burnt valve
i wouldnt even know where to look for coordinates ngl
flat dagger
Well at the very least im very sure it's not in the exe
burnt valve
i'm going to at least confirm my theory real quick
very scientific
well. looks like i have found something out
honestly it looks like the texture only shows from specific directions
but the meshes are absolutely there
flat dagger
burnt valve
do you know what would cause this behavior with the visibility lol
flat dagger
that almost looks like the bounding box????
maybe try replacing the material with one from a player model
burnt valve
i also had to activate free cam as you can see to even confirm this
how do i do that....
flat dagger
open up a player model, grab a material and export it as .nao, go back to this model and find a material, import the .nao
burnt valve
any material?
flat dagger
yeah
burnt valve
can i import naoto to all materials in this model with this button or only export
flat dagger
you'll want to do singular not all
burnt valve
hmm ok
oh
this UI is slightly confusing
looking at it more closely should that export all button even exist
flat dagger
looking at it more closely should that export all button even exist
yes
flat dagger
Well I put that there to differenciate between actual material data and the buttons but I can now see that might just confuse people 💀
burnt valve
this is the last material
but the export/import buttons above correspond to the material above it
flat dagger
yeah the line is supposed to seperate the actual data of the material and the ability to export/import over them
will need to change that to something else then
burnt valve
yeah it is slightly confusing 😆
unfortunately i might be stupei
anyways lets try this again. one last thing and then i need to be done for today
nope... similar behavior to before
maybe it's not a material problem then
flat dagger
can you send model and give field id
burnt valve
006_014
flat dagger
i can look into it later tomorrow
burnt valve
thought I would also point this out for my own reference but it seems I didn't catch all of the broken shadow maps... this would be more of a TFP+ contribution but I would still like to fix regardless
blissful mauve
Would you like to take over as steward of TFP+
flat dagger
this is my adachi-fied version
I've just realized I don't have a save to properly test but I think this might work?
burnt valve
I can get you a save or I suppose you could just pull from the loaf(TM) archive
burnt valve
Would you like to take over as steward of TFP+
I wouldn't mind. I don't think I have much to contribute at this current moment but if you're trying to step back from persona modding stuff anyways then I could manage it
up to you, if you think you're still gonna be around maintaining your stuff then I see no point
burnt valve
I've just realized I don't have a save to properly test but I *think* this might...
it did not work unfortunately. also fascinating texture
flat dagger
how the hell
burnt valve
yeah it kinda looks the exact same as before tbh lol
sinful storm
i was not expecting that 😭
low meadow
funny as hell
uneven canopy
kiwami cat
frail radish
why cant i glool
sinful storm
it won't let me glool either