P4G Anime Music Expansion (spoilers ahead!)

[granite fulcrum]

"P4 Anime Remix"

Something short and snappy that includes anime or animation in the title would be best, I think

[somber sandal]

P4G The Anime Mix?

[timber stump]

yeah, needs to include some sort of reference to the anime in the name for sure.

hmmm

P4 Anime Music Events Overhaul? although that kinda sounds wordy in itself

it sucks bc it's like well I want to point out that it's music from the anime, it is kind of an overhaul of event music, and well, it edits events 😭

[granite fulcrum]

I recommend NOT falling into the wordy title trap me and Pixelguin have before lol

[timber stump]

...event music overhaul?

that doesn't include the reference to the anime that I just agreed would be nice to have but it is a lot shorter...

[timber stump]

I'm trying not to 😆 names do be hard though

[granite fulcrum]

Sometimes it helps to think about what people might Google to find it if they knew what it did, but not what it's called

That's basically what led me to naming "cutscenes restored"

Figured it would hit the key words and was clear

[timber stump]

events music overhaul sounds pretty good then the more I think about it haha

[granite fulcrum]

I'd still try to include anime or animation. It's like the most important word

[timber stump]

it is editing event music lol, the only thing lacking is the anime part

anime music events overhaul?

anime event music?

I have an online interview in 20 minutes but this is what I'm thinking about right now 😭

[granite fulcrum]

Anime Event Remix??? 😁

Anime Event Music
Anime Event Overhaul

[timber stump]

those aren't bad either haha

do you think anime event remix/overhaul would give off the vibe that it does more than edit the music timings and songs used?

maybe anime event overhaul could work though. a big part of the anime events is the music so I don't think anyone would mind "music" not being mentioned... I hope lol

[midnight python]

I think anime event overhaul sounds more like you're changing events to match the anime or adding anime events. imo you need music to make it clear it's just music changes (remix might also work since I think that implies that it's related to music)

[timber stump]

that is definitely true, good point

I'm not sure if this is just me but remix to me implies that I'm like... remixing the events, but well this mod instead adds music and edits timings, which doesn't feel like remixing in my head

[granite fulcrum]

Fwiw, don't forget that it's gonna be listed under the "sounds" category too. So that should also help remove some of the confusion

It's a pretty distinct category from "mods" in how it's presented etc

[split rivet]

no thumbnail needed either!

[timber stump]

lmao

although I would like to have a thumbnail anyways :')

[granite fulcrum]

Yeah a project as big as this deserves some header art or something 🙂

[timber stump]

exactly like I've put so many hours into this lmao

I think it deserves something good

...but that's a later problem 😭

[granite fulcrum]

Kris makes great thumbnails. They helped Swine with manual skill inheritance art I think. Maybe they could help out if you needed it. I'm rubbish at that stuff personally

[timber stump]

oh yeah no my thumbnails are not good lol, I'll reach out to them later!

[timber stump]

even with this in mind, I feel like it's probablyyyyy best to explicitly mention music just bc people probably won't read categories

i mean I wouldn't :p

[timber stump]

Anime Event Music Overhaul?

I think I need 4 words lol but this is the best one I could come up with so far

[split rivet]

flip event and music around

Anime Music Event Overhaul imo

[timber stump]

or perhaps Event Anime Music Overhaul? 😭

names are hard

[split rivet]

gonna need a focus group with how many name variations there are

[timber stump]

yeah LMAO

well I have a sizable twitter following, maybe someone will come up with something perfect if I ask lol

for some reason that first one made me immediately think of Touhou Project 😭

I kinda like the sound of P4 the animix though 🤔

it's tough bc it's like, I want to mention all these key things in the title but it just leads to a long name lol

even if it is boring, maybe being sufficiently descriptive is better than having a cool name, idk

that is a bit of a shame too because I would love to just have a nice thumbnail, having just the short audio clip displayed makes it a little more boring to look at

yeah, I do like that. sucks that it doesn't rly show up in the preview or the embed there though haha

yeah, makes sense. I guess the assumption is that sounds are like a small mod

I think that's the case for most of the mods in the music mod section too, but like this mod and MEP feel bigger yknow

ha, apparently there is an events category. If I put my mod under events (which would be pretty accurate), I would be able to get a thumbnail 😆

sucks that you can't just. have a thumbnail as an option instead though

[woven swallow]

I like this one

[timber stump]

@granite fulcrum I don't know if it was you who suggested this, but did you suggest using a different song for E228_001 (the Mystery Food X incident)?

I feel like I remember someone bringing it up, but after running into the issues with BGME earlier, I kinda put off any further edits. But I can now do those edits so...

[timber stump]

yeah I kinda like it too, the only thing is that it's not super descriptive. not sure how big of an issue that is

[woven swallow]

P4 Anime Music Pack?

[hushed badger]

this is super cool wtf 😭

P4G modding seems like its in an golden age rn super cool to see all these cool mods in dev/releasing

[timber stump]

honestly maybe, I'm running out of ideas lol

[timber stump]

yeah I think right now a lot of mods are mainly being ported to 64 but I've had this in mind for a bit and well it's finally pretty close to an initial release haha

(also trying to think of a name so if you have any suggestions lmao)

[timber stump]

acronyms are pretty nice haha. I assume that's why you changed the name of DMT to MEP?

[timber stump]

ah. honestly I kinda liked it 😆 but I can absolutely see where you're coming from with that anyways

I'm leaning towards (P4G) anime music project right now. same acronym, but project sounds cooler than pack lol

[timber stump]

new update - went through and fixed a lot of bugs. I also found some events didn't work in well ingame as I thought they would, so a few songs have been scrapped. still not currently compatible with MEP at this time but I'm planning on doing that soonish. it shouldn't be too bad is the hope
(also threw in a placeholder name and thumbnail, although this might end up being the final name)

E455_502 also does not work as intended - it cuts off the previous music. I'm not sure why, the event doesn't appear in cmmEventBGM.dat and there's nothing cutting it off in the PM3s. I'll try to do some troubleshooting later though

I want to go through some more non social link events and add some of the anime music for the sake of variety, but I'm not sure whether to do that before or after the initial release.

[timber stump]

unfortunately I finished a lot of this mod before swine sent a new version of leet 😆 but well this will be rly useful for future edits because I won't have to do the conversions to/from hexadecimal anymore lol

[woven swallow]

Wait something just occurred to me

If there’s 2 BGME changes of the same song will it overlap or will one take over the other?

[timber stump]

it works a little differently because encounters currently rely on changing the expatch, whereas I only need the expatch to enable BGME music for events in the first place, all actual changes are done through the PM2/3 files

that's why this mod should be compatible with any battle music mods without any problems, the persona music script thing will always spit out an expatch with the code for event BGM regardless
(I have not tested it yet)

if you're asking about say, MEP replacing 775 with a battle song and my mod replacing 775 with event BGM, whichever mod has priority will win out. but I'm working on addressing that so that it's a non issue

[woven swallow]

Ohhhh K that's mostly what I was asking about lol

Thanks

[timber stump]

np

[timber stump]

@somber sandal figured I'd ask since you seem reasonably knowledgeable with event music calls. do you know if there are any ways that an event can stop music at the start of it besides the PM3 or cmmEventBGM.dat?
for some events (E105_001, E265_001, E295_001, etc), they continue whatever music was playing previously until a BGM call is made in the PM3. however, E455_502 stops the music and I have absolutely no idea why.

nothing in their PM2s or PM3s stands out to me, and the eventBGM dat doesn't even have that event as far as i can tell..

[somber sandal]

maybe ask swine? he got the game to not turn off the bgm in heaven, could be the same thing turning off bgm in events?

[timber stump]

no worries - swine did find my help thread haha so hopefully we can figure this one out

[woven swallow]

Wait I just realized, do u have plans to change any of the party member boss themes?

[woven swallow]

Like give them any unique boss theme?

[timber stump]

I had no plans to. I think that I'll Face Myself -battle- fits perfectly for them

honestly I'm not even sure if I should replace any battle music, this mod was always more focused on events anyways. not my highest priority in any case

[woven swallow]

If u want my opinion I think u should keep it Events only

As much as I would love to have Ying Yang for the culprit, I think I could think of like 10 people will do it as soon as BGME 64 comes out

Besides that would make it a little easier on ya man

[granite fulcrum]

BGME 64 is out, no?

[remote maple]

rena

Music manager for P4G64, P5R, P3P / General GUI for vgaudio projects.

Requirements
.NET 7

Should work on Linux since it's built on Avalonia but the platform is not a focus.

Download
https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/phos-music-manager/releases/download/v1.0.0/PhosMusicManager.zip

Persona 5 Royal PC Support

1. Create a p5r.ini file at PhosMusicManager/audio/encoders.
2. Copy and paste the following:

name=ADX (Persona 5 Royal PC)
out_container_format=adx
key_code=

3. Fill in the key_code and save. You can find the key from one of the P5R music guides.
4. Click on Tools -> Reload Files, or restart the app.

Other Games
The app supports converting between any format vgaudio supports reading+encoding. You can also add custom vgaudio configurations, like P5R's above, by creating .ini files at PhosMusicManager/audio/encoders. The name and out_container_format properties are required.

Available Settings

name=
out_container_format=
out_format=
loop_alignment=
block_size=
version=
frame_size=
adx_type=
key_string=
key_code=
endianness=
hca_quality=
bitrate=
limit_bitrate=
encode_cbr=

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[woven swallow]

LETS GOOOOOO

[timber stump]

niceeeee

[timber stump]

it wouldn't be a lot of work tbh but you're right, I think a ton of people would do it. there's technically nothing stopping me from doing it right now lol, the program is already out and all. just no fancy gui or anything

[timber stump]

that too

[timber stump]

i'll let the video file name speak for itself. but this is finally working ingame 😭

it's kinda hard to hear the music honestly over dialogue, I'm wondering if I should have the music start playing later

[timber stump]

@prime laurel what music is this supposed to play?

i guess i should ask what it's intended to play bc ingame it's silent

gotcha. aside from that I think I have a PME with updated IDs that I can send over

just need to double check everything first

[timber stump]

here you go. i didn't touch the void optional boss but otherwise I started from index 679 (JP voice lines for the hidden TV show in TV listings)

also, I did some more testing and it seems that I can just run both MEP and AMP at the same time without any issues, so no need for a separate version, just the ID updates. I updated my expatch to only have the stuff relevant for event edits, and it seems those can stack just fine

[timber stump]

alright, let me know how it goes!

latest version btw if anyone wants to test it, but it should be pretty stable other than difficulty settings crashing the game

Persona 4 Anime Music Project (spoilers ahead!)

[timber stump]

does anyone have a list of what social links are covered in each P4A episode? excluding Marie and Adachi since those are easy to find.
mainly bc some of the links are split between different episodes and I didn't write any of that down...

[woven swallow]

Ik Naoto’s isn’t one of them for sure

Rise Yukiko and Yosuke definitely had their moments

Pretty sure Chie had hers but it was in Port Island

That shouldn’t make a difference though

I wanna say Kanji and Teddie had theirs but I would have to double check

[timber stump]

accomplice ending

yeah I'm just trying to find when their links are covered in the anime so I can reference them for later. I know the anime kinda brushes over their links for the most part so I wanted inspiration more than anything

[woven swallow]

I’ll see if I can find them

[woven swallow]

Ok, Yukiko's rank 8 moment is episode 20

Rise's rank 8 is on Ep 9

Yosuke's rank 10 is on Episode 24

[timber stump]

god they have rise's rank 8 in the same episode where she ends up being kidnapped? lol

[woven swallow]

Yea XDDD

[timber stump]

I know the anime kinda rushes over all the links but damn lol

i guess most of it will just be manual after all

[somber sandal]

i was wondering, do you think there are any anime tracks that could be used for extra overworld themes?

[timber stump]

I hadn't thought about that at all, but possibly. were you thinking of like, alternatives to heartbeat, heartbreak and your affection?

[woven swallow]

Come to think of it, that's not a bad idea

Yea maybe something like, every season change or event could have a specific overworld theme(excluding the fog music and Winter because those already got their own themes)

[timber stump]

I'm just not sure if there are any songs in the P4A OST that would be a good fit for an overworld song

(and even if there is, personally I think P4's overworld OST selection is already fine, but I mean I'm willing to consider the idea. just need to think about how something like that could work)

[somber sandal]

my current idea was to simply just check the date then play whatever song has been set for that date (if none then just use whatever the game would usually play)

could be used to given certain event days a unique song, seasonal like mentioned, maybe even add the reincarnation versions of the original themes later on in the game instead of replacing them from the start

[timber stump]

ooooo that's a really good idea

I would definitely like to try that at least

having the game switch to different renditions of songs for different seasons or days would be kinda sick ngl

[knotty holly]

The reincarnation version of signs of love could play whenever the whole gang’s over at Dojima’s house or smth lol

[woven swallow]

Hmmmmm

[knotty holly]

Just to change it up a little from a dream come true lol

[timber stump]

what do you mean? don't you like hearing like a dream come true and who's there 5000 times?

😭

honestly even if it deviates a bit, I kinda want to touch up the whole december sequence just so who's there isn't playing as much

[knotty holly]

LMAO 😭

[knotty holly]

Yeah it’d bring a lot of variety

[timber stump]

@prime laurel did you ever have a chance to test the music patch?

main thing stopping me from putting out this mod rn too is that it crashes on difficulty selection even with the latest persona music script, idk if that was ever addressed

[timber stump]

alright cool cool, thank you

looks like the new one just doesn't have event patches period, so back to the old one it is for now
by kechi do you mean rena, just wanted to make sure

ahhh gotcha, i just realized what that name probably is referring to lol

yup lol took me a sec to realize that ngl hahaha

@somber sandal i noticed the new bgme expatch doesn't have the event BGM patches, any way those can be made to work as is or would they need to be rewritten as well?

[somber sandal]

i (was) planning to split the patch up (encounters, events, etc) for better compatibility

probably gonna move from inaba patches, but i'll rewrite the event patch so you can release it with your mod

[timber stump]

yeah, that's a good call. I had cut down the original patch to only have event stuff so it could be compatible with battle music patches, and I was gonna ask about that but I forgor 💀

that would be great though, ty

[somber sandal]

how often do use bgme with bgm.dat? it's that patch that causes a crash when starting a new game (selecting a difficulty) so i was just planning to remove it since it's so niche...

[timber stump]

wait really lol

I don't currently use it for any events but also that's primarily because it seems to be primarily used for social links, lunch invites, etc

I think it should be fine if you remove it, and I can let you know if I end up needing it for whatever reason

[somber sandal]

@timber stump

[timber stump]

ty

wonderful, no more crashes as far as i can tell haha

[timber stump]

wxnder suggested "P4 Anime BGM Expansion" as a possible name and I kinda like the rough idea, so since this mod still hasn't been released, I'm thinking maybe Anime Music Expansion? I don't think that was ever suggested, part of me likes how that sounds

names are hard, ok

[vital pagoda]

pls give us feedback, as we're pretty stumped lol

🙏

[timber stump]

tbh you missed when I was super stuck on figuring out name stuff like a few weeks ago LMAO

[split rivet]

P4TA Music Expansion

pretty simple

[vital pagoda]

uhhh damn

didn't think of that

[timber stump]

i dont think i ever had thought of that one either lol
maybe P4A instead of P4TA just bc I always think of the persona 4 anime as P4A rather than P4TA 🤔 idk if there would be any confusion with P4 Arena

[split rivet]

P4A doesn't read as nicely as P4TA in my brain

[vital pagoda]

P4Anime Music Expansion

a bit of both imo

[timber stump]

kinda just brings us back to Anime Music Expansion haha

[vital pagoda]

true

[timber stump]

maybe it should just be anime music expansion as a shorthand, persona 4 anime music expansion as a full name

[midnight python]

I think just Anime Music Expansion is fine, it should be pretty obvious that it's referring to the p4 anime

[timber stump]

either way I think expansion sounds a little nicer than project to me, idk if that's just me

[midnight python]

Yeah, to me project implies that it's wip

[vital pagoda]

alright, I'll use Anime Music Expansion as the title

[timber stump]

time to change the name of this one more time lmao

P4G Anime Music Expansion (spoilers ahead!)

[timber stump]

time to change the name to eXpansion /j

I am NOT changing the name to that, I don't have a thing for the letter x LMAO

AMX is a nice abbreviation though jokes aside. it took a little bit but I think I'm happy with this name 😆

[timber stump]

@slate citrus do you have a GB username so I can credit you for some of the music loops I used from you?

otherwise for anyone else: have I missed anyone, and does anyone want me to rewrite their contributions or whatever? I'm kinda bad at this stuff lol

[vital pagoda]

if i remember it was Sate or smth

[timber stump]

alright, I'll have that there for now, I'll just go change that if that turns out to not be the case lol. ty

[slate citrus]

Sate's me indeed

[timber stump]

awesome, thanks

i have a few more things to do and i'm also waiting for MEP to update its IDs so it no longer conflicts (I think I already sent the new IDs?), but then I should be able to release this

[timber stump]

@prime laurel idk if you saw but would you be able to update your IDs in MEP to the ones I sent earlier? ~~sorry for all the pings 😭 ~~

other than that, I am procrastinating releasing this mod because I need to get some images and write up some more stuff but I'm hoping to get it out soon(TM), so sorry for the wait if anyone was interested in using this lol

that one was broken at the time iirc, feel free to fix that one. which song is it supposed to be?

oh it's just ttmh 8bit

think that one is 682 if i'm looking at it right?

thanks much, appreciate it

[granite fulcrum]

Haven't checked in for a while. How's this going? 🙂

[timber stump]

pixel adjusted the IDs for MEP already so it's all on me at this point haha. I've been working on a new, more concise spreadsheet to detail the changes, but I've left the existing spreadsheet for development stuff

I was also thinking of making a little like teaser/trailer video bc that helped a lot with animated cut-ins lol

I'm not really sure what that would entail though since this is entirely a music mod, but yknowwwwwww

[granite fulcrum]

My only fear is that it'll be instantly copy-striked because of the music lmao

[timber stump]

yeah 😭

I could make a little trailer that uses normal P4 music but that'd be sad lol

[granite fulcrum]

I couldnt even share clips with you

Yh

[timber stump]

just a little trailer that's like oh yeah this mod does this, and this, and this, and please download <3

[granite fulcrum]

You could maybe just host it on Vimeo or something 🙃

[timber stump]

true lmao

"censored" version for youtube :p

[timber stump]

also wip body text, lmk how this looks

oh the last thing I forgot is that I need a second picture bc I uploaded this as a mod rather than as a sound, so that requires two pictures. i've already got a thumbnail but otherwise i need to think of what to throw in for a second picture

[granite fulcrum]

Looks great. Reads well. Dunno if it's helpful but I like to use page breaks between sections when I'm writing a long post cos I like to think it helps with legibility (e.g. https://gamebanana.com/tuts/13379)

[timber stump]

ty for the feedback, added them. cant hurt to throw them in really i think!

[remote maple]

now that I know how to do this, whenever BGME supports it I have some really cool ideas for the scripted fights

Brawler

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[timber stump]

this way you could fit in say, Bond Hymn of the Soul towards the end of Margaret's fight

[woven swallow]

Oooooo ok

I’m intrigued

[timber stump]

it doesn't even look that hard to flowscript it either tbh

you could probably do something similar with We Are One and All, although I doubt it would be as clean as in the anime

[woven swallow]

Oh now I really can't wait for the guide to come to GB

[timber stump]

likely wont be on the guide is my guess bc you need to flowscript it

[woven swallow]

Crap ok

[timber stump]

I don't think it'll be hard to flowscript it at all, I was able to do it lol

[timber stump]

putting together a quick trailer right now, this is still incomplete but i'm just trying to lay down the groundwork right now
i've had a headache lately (flu shot) + my motivation to make thumbnails/other media is low so progress has been a bit slow, but we're getting there 😭

youtube gets a "censored" version with different music bc they're very strict about copyright, I currently am using the fog but if anyone has any better ideas feel free to shout them out

[somber sandal]

now that framework works for you, i was gonna ask if you'd like a tool to quickly convert your event changes to a music script?

i couldn't imagine rewriting all that by hand

[timber stump]

let me make sure it works for events beforehand lol

ok it works for events too

that would be a useful tool but I can see a few issues that would make it more complicated

• knowing the default BGM calls to remove those if needed
• some of my events use default BGM calls anyways
• I have two events (E265_001 and E265_002) which are switched around bc I messed with scheduler stuff
• BGME doesn't edit PM2s, but P4G has some music treated as ambience so it's in the PM2 as an ENV
• idk if BGME has fadeouts or not, which are explicit calls that dont use BGM IDs
  if you think there's any way to get around those issues, or even if you think there's any way to just make it a little faster, I would still appreciate it regardless :)

with some of those issues, ex: the PM2s, I can just leave the PM2s in my mod and then transfer the other events to whatever format you use for BGME; that would be much easier. the other issues still seem like a bit of a concern though

[remote maple]

[somber sandal]

i can compare against the original, so any different calls to bgm (default or extended) should be found.
the pm2 stuff might have to remain as files since new music calls aren't inserted as whatever format pm is, they directly play music, might be able to use the sound.
fadeouts might work with frame_# = 0, but needs testing.
could also try testing the sound(bgmId, arg1, arg2) function
for the two events, i get id for the event directly from the file the game loads so it should be fine

[timber stump]

i've also got two different formats of PM3s haha

bc most of them were made with an older version of swine's LEET build

old format: fadeouts are handled like the first image (the byte that says 02)
new format: fadeouts are handled like the second image ("Fade": 3)

speaking of fadeouts, yeah there's two different types lol (2 and 3)

if you know anything about that, that would be able to address the majority of events

there's a few events like these where certain dialogue determines what music plays, but I think for those I can just leave the PM3 in

I think some of this starts going beyond the scope of BGME but the fades are pretty important for event editing. I'd probably say that BGME should defer to any PM3 files detected though

[somber sandal]

the leet version shouldn't matter since both compile to the same format hopefully. i realize the more involved i make it the higher the chance it'll end up as some kind of event editor lmao

might even be simpler to do that honestly, i'll see

[somber sandal]

what do you mean by certain dialogue, like dialogue options affecting music?

[timber stump]

yes

[timber stump]

yeah lmao, idk if you wanna do that

LEET is already decent enough you just need... a lot of time + trial and error to figure out things

happy to pass on any knowledge i have if you need it haha, I haven't documented everything I know yet

[somber sandal]

is the event music page on swine's modding guides not up to date?

[timber stump]

it mostly is, I don't think it has any info on dialogue choices affecting music though

I haven't rly done much to it since I initially wrote it so there's definitely a bit I've learned since then lol

[somber sandal]

i didnt even think that was a possibility atlus why...

[timber stump]

it's also using the older LEET version

lmaoooo

it's kinda cool it's just... i don't fully understand it yet

there's a bit of dialogue you get if you reject naoto joining the team where rise gives you shit and then is like, oh i wanna see what's up with kanji/naoto, and the music just stops there briefly before it continues

[somber sandal]

you can try playing that event, assuming you "edit" it in a music script with frame_0 = 0. it'll show any bgm calls in the console, might have some useful info?

in theory it should be possible to load the pm files from the json in real time, just don't know how happy the game/file redirector will be to read it 🤔

[timber stump]

oh do you need the music script to get it to load

just to be clear this is an original unedited PM3 right? and I can still have my PM3 loaded in AME?

and what specifically would GAME be set to? P4G? Persona 4 Golden?

[somber sandal]

the was for the CLI instructions, which would output a new PM3 file, music script just needs the IDs

const theEvent = event(majorId, minorId)
event[theEvent]:
  // The current frame only outputs to the console if a change is made in the script.
  // Adding frame_0 = 0 is an easy way to enable it without making changes.
  frame_0 = 0
  frame_100 = 698
  frame_200 = random_song(20, 40)

  // Disable an existing BGM call.
  frame_300 = "disable"
end

you can also use random_song for what it's worth lol, randomize event bgm lesss go

[timber stump]

lmao that would be funny

would be a good way to handle club escapade, have like random songs being chosen

[somber sandal]

that was my first thought too lol

[timber stump]

okay though so I would follow that script for my PME?

I'm making dinner but I can test it afterwards and see if I can get you any info on the BGM calls

[somber sandal]

yeah, would be in YOUR_MOD/BGME/Music Script.pme, make sure you have file extensions enabled though

[timber stump]

I know of three events with differing music so I can see what exactly happens with those

[somber sandal]

oh, could you list some example events to test other bgm effects you mentioned? maybe even the music stopping event thing, could be able to solve it properly now.

[timber stump]

yup

[somber sandal]

one thing I noticed is that events tend to have a turn off BGM call at the end, not sure if it's a PM3, submenu, or game thing

[timber stump]

the PM3 handles a lot of events

typically it'll be a 3 fade

not all events have that though, some events just allow previous music to continue playing

the list of events I know that continue playing previous music when loaded are

• E105_001
• E265_001
• E295_001
• E396_001

there are likely more but I'm not aware of them. other event IDs will stop any music currently playing, regardless of whether they're calling music or not (ex: E455_502). this is not controlled by the PMx files and my only workaround at this time is substituting events using the scheduler

[timber stump]

• the scene where Naoto joins the team (I don't have that ID memorized)
• E376_001 (the team decides whether to toss Namatame into the TV or not)
• E730_576 (accomplice ending)

I should clarify that I think E376_001 only has it with AME. I think it just plays Who's There? otherwise

[timber stump]

this took me a bit to get to but here's the log of E314_001 (Naoto joins the team) if you want it. i ran the event twice with mod menu to select each option

the long short of it is that BGME doesn't output anything besides the command being used (call this BGM ID at this frame)

as a side note, the debug thing that spits out the frame is very useful lol

[somber sandal]

yeah, the frame thing made testing so much easier instead of just guessing frames lol

[timber stump]

forgot to test this, but currently no distinction in the type of fade used

[timber stump]

i wish i'd had that lol, i had to manually test and basically guess which frame was the one i wanted lol

[somber sandal]

so that message actually gets the bgm from the pm3 loaded in the game, the fade out var should be somewhere near there too.

the main problem is new bgm is played in a piece of code that runs every frame, while the the one for the pm3 only runs for any frames the pm3 affects/other files have stuff for that frame.

[timber stump]

i think that kinda makes sense...? i think? my head still hurts rn sorry haha

[somber sandal]

yeah it's messy to explain, it'll be easier to see it when i re-add logs for other commands. thanks for testing, but it can wait until you feel better 🙏

[timber stump]

i'll probably be fine by tomorrow tbh, just flu shot side effects!

the first part makes sense. for code in the PM3 are you saying that only runs an active BGM command for the frame(s) it is called on? or?

[somber sandal]

yeah. the best way to add/"easiest" way to add fadeout and conditional bgm (and whatever else there might be) would be through the game's system for it

but adding new stuff is probably gonna take research since rn i can only get it stop a command (like muting bgm)... 😔

[timber stump]

that makes sense haha

i think the system rn is probably good for basic editing? more complex editing at the moment would still have me preferring the PM3

[woven swallow]

Yo Brawler you know how you were having trouble with getting that version of Confused Smog that plays when Naoto is on her way to the Dojima Residence?

I think I may have an idea on how to get it

[timber stump]

oh?

[woven swallow]

It’ll take me like an hour or 2 because I’m in school but I think I can get that music for you and hopefully even loop it

[timber stump]

alright, thanks
it is also in the hot springs episode when the guys are in the creepy room, if that helps

[woven swallow]

Oh if u can send me the clip of that that may help a little

[woven swallow]

Yea I tried to separate the background music from the vocals and it didn't come out that good, hopefully the other video may help a little

Some of the Voices slightly leaked into the background music

And the sound effects too

[timber stump]

hopefully this helps a bit

if you can get something good out of those i would probably prefer something lossless like wav, flac, etc just to minimize any further quality loss

shorter sample as well, but those are, as far as i know, the only 3 times this song is used

[woven swallow]

I think it may help if I stack them with Audacity

I'm gonna try that and see if that gives out something better

[timber stump]

yeah if it doesnt work out, it's cool, but if I can get something clean enough I could see if I could work with it and create a loop of some kind

[woven swallow]

Yea looks like it won't work, the audio's just not good enough

[timber stump]

oh well, worth a shot

[somber sandal]

do you know if there are any events that don't have a pm3 file?

[timber stump]

I have not seen a single one

there are events with "empty" PM3s though

something like this

[somber sandal]

thanks. got a basic version working now, just gotta clean up the code

[timber stump]

nice, yeah I can definitely do some testing if needed

[somber sandal]

BGM_PLAY = 0
BGM_FADE_IN = 1
BGM_FADE_OUT = 2
BGM_TRANSITION = etc
BGM_VOLUME_DOWN,
BGM_VOLUME_UP,
BGM_ALL_STOP,

might need to enable hot reload in CRI FileSystem in reloaded for live updating

[timber stump]

huh you can have BGM fade in? that's cool

[somber sandal]

maybe, but using it seems to try playing sfx instead (and breaks bgm after)

[timber stump]

oof lol

that's weird

[timber stump]

how do all these different parameters work? like what should I be providing with them, if any?
since you provide song(123) for BGM_FADE_OUT, so I figure I should ask about that lol

BGM_FADE_OUT also only uses one of the two fades right?

mainly I just wanna test how all of these work in game lol

kinda following what you had up there but feel free to correct me if i'm wrong haha

[somber sandal]

right now it always needs two "arguments", so it'd be frame_bgm(BGM_ALL_STOP, song(0)), i'll change it when i get back to it

and do you have any info how the bytes in data connect to dialog options? (01 00 = option 2, etc)

[timber stump]

I can give you my assumptions, but currently I have only done three events with it (one of which was basically a freebie) and so a lot is still unclear to me

let me pull them up rq

E730_576 (accomplice ending):
the 01 here enables the different music for dialogue choices. in this event you only have music play if you make the correct dialogue choice (the bottom dialogue choice) 5 times
this is of course using the newest LEET though, the other two I have are with the previous version of LEET

E376_001 (Namatame's fate):
as you're probably aware, there are 6 correct dialogue choices you need to make in order to get on the path to the good ending. despite this, it's 02 that gets the music to only play for the true ending. it makes me wonder if that variable has to do with there being which "ending" you got. I need to do more testing with it, but the reason I haven't is that it is time consuming

E314_001 (Naoto joins the team)
it could be either or bc there's only two dialogue choices and one dialogue choice call

[timber stump]

it is possible for this one to be to do with which "ending" or route you get too, bc technically each of the dialogue choice calls are treated as their own thing, whereas with E376_001, it always leads to one of three fates (bad ending/Namatame dead, bad ending/Namatame lives, and good ending)

this is something where I think the P3F modders could be helpful too bc P3F also uses PMx. it's sucked whenever I had questions about PM files because I put them in the p4 help channels for this mod lol, but iirc P3 works very similarly

P3F also has a working event editor in its debug menu...

[fossil heart]

that number determines which local flag to check, not anything to do with the number of options strictly thought i should say

[somber sandal]

really good info, i think it's like you said. one number determines which variable to test, and i guess other determines what value, like var 1 == 5? i would assume the variable is getting

[timber stump]

that's kind of the conclusion i've come to based on looking at the other events haha

i just don't know how those flags are set up

[somber sandal]

the event flowscript isn't it?

[timber stump]

that's possible. i've not looked at PM1s much

[fossil heart]

like this is what the structure for E730_576 looks like with my WIP python script; it checks local flag number 5 which i believe is set by the MESSAGE call on frame 876 in the PM2

[timber stump]

this mod primarily focuses on PM2 and PM3 after all

[fossil heart]

(as for why the DisplayMessage there says it sets flag 96 that's because for some reason despite the event editor allowing you to set local flags 0-9 the actual byte data for that is stored as (flagNum + 1) << 4)

[somber sandal]

where's this version of leet, all i've got is byte data 😔

[fossil heart]

it's not any leet lol it's a python script i've been working off-and-on on

[timber stump]

could you look at E314_001 and E376_001 when you can?

im curious what those have

[somber sandal]

amazing work then! is there a public repo? really interested in adding supporting for editing the bgm flag(s) conditions

[fossil heart]

it's on a private repo for now; dunno when i wanna make it public but i do know i wanna get some of the quirks with it fixed first (like jsons not quite compiling back to PM1's correctly)

(having it on a repo in general has been huge for making sure i don't accidentally irreverisbly make a change that breaks everything lol; esp when i did a major rewrite of it a lil while back)

[timber stump]

i know swine is also working on updating LEET, wonder if it'd be worth getting in contact with him for that stuff if you havent already

how did you figure out what corresponded to what anyways (just curious)

[somber sandal]

once you go git you can never go back fr

[somber sandal]

could even be the start of PMD merging for File Emulator (essentially what i wrote but just for frame bgm)

[timber stump]

i wish i knew half the coding shit you guys do honestly

it's all black magic to me rn 😭

alas, I did not go into CS

[fossil heart]

well i did refrence leet for a bit of it but most of how i figured stuff out early on was: constantly refrence videos of an event with the file looking at the bytes and trying to figure out what could correspond to what

Recently tho i've been using the debug menu, changing every setting i can and using the PCSX2 memory viewer to check what changes from that (since the data is laid out pretty much identically in the pmd and in what the game stores in memory); been a MASSIVE speed-up lmao

[timber stump]

lucky you

😭

maybe I should try modding P3F too /s

[somber sandal]

programming is really just seeing you stuff you don't understand, googling, ||crying a bit because you still don't get it||, and googling more until you get it

[somber sandal]

that's actually kinda huge isn't it? would explain how you have so much mapped out already

[timber stump]

my limited amount of experience programming in college was pretty much like that 😭

maybe add a bit more crying

[timber stump]

I'd alluded to this earlier but I think the best chance at getting a P4G event editor working is for P3F and P4G modders to work together (or for modders to work on both FES and Golden) because they use the same event files + FES has more leftover resources than Golden + Golden being a native port helps it a lot

I might look into it more in the future but this mod was always intended to just be music swaps with BGME bc I knew editing events was CBT lol

[somber sandal]

i know swine has been making some progress with p4g's, but i think a GUI event editor outside of the game could be very possible once moddaman finishes reverse engineering the format

[timber stump]

god that would be so nice

the hardest thing to my understanding is figuring out how 3D stuff is handled

mudkip said he spent like 6 months to make a short night time hangout event with Yosuke

[somber sandal]

modders who are in the event editing space are just built different honestly

[timber stump]

do I count, I just messed with BGM calls a lot :')

[somber sandal]

i'd say you count lol, your mod is the only overhaul-type mod for events afaik?

are there any event mods besides yosuke actually

[timber stump]

Naoto dialogue

if you wanna count asshole Igor, that too, but that's just editing the text

restored game over bgm (which just does what this mod does but for one event)

[timber stump]

rudiger gave me an idea for something during the izanami boss fight - play the reincarnation version of reverie instead of the normal version for the power of friendship part

but I can't actually find where genesis is played in encounters 🤔
is the izanami no okami encounter only the scripted ending???

i'm just confused on how genesis is even called in the first place now lol

[timber stump]

...i guess it is

if you call it via mod menu this happens lol

[granite fulcrum]

lol

[timber stump]

here's the actual edit btw. I sped through all the dialogue but did not use fast forward, so the video is a bit long still bc i maxed out almost all s.links in this playthrough

but not all :(

I honestly really like this lol

[woven swallow]

Hmmmmm

I like the idea

[timber stump]

alright, i'll get it in there then

the problem rn is that the current release of the mod that i'm procrastinating on releasing uses an older, standalone version of the BGME expatch. I have no idea how to make this work with the current version without it being incompatible with any battle music

[somber sandal]

wdym?

[timber stump]

if I wanted to use the persona music script thing to add new encounter music for izanami, wouldn't that resultant expatch conflict with MEP or other (non existent) music mods rn?

[somber sandal]

oh, yeah if you're editing an encounter then only one patch can be used

[timber stump]

newest version of bgme solves that one though yeah?

[somber sandal]

not an issue with the framework though :/

yeah, multiple mods can make changes without issue

[timber stump]

gotcha, cool cool

that should help greatly reduce conflicts haha. only issue then would be duplicate music IDs, which well. that's out of your control

I'm stating what IDs i'm using for my mod, so other people will just have to work around it then 😎

[somber sandal]

i knowww, it really annoys me that my favorite persona game is the one still limited in bgm (p3p and p5r are basically infinite)

[timber stump]

peaksona 4 enjoyer let's goooooo

tbf you've still unlocked enough IDs that it shouldn't be an issue

it just makes conflicts a little more likely but honestly how many people are making music packs anyways

[somber sandal]

but how will i have randomized 1000 battle bgm then

[timber stump]

true.....

shitpost mod that's just every single persona song ever made

go into battle to hear great battle songs such as the p5 romance theme, the satomi tadashi pharmacy theme, the p2is ending theme, ....

[somber sandal]

the bgm mod for true persona fans

[timber stump]

it's not a good persona game unless I can listen to Megami Ibunroku Persona OST 13: Child Abuse in battle

why is it called that

[ashen thunder]

Woo the music fit so well, very nice! Anyways I just realised they talking much but no voice acting, only the fox has voice haha

[timber stump]

I guess the fox is treated differently lol

everyone has voice acting but they skip it when you skip dialogue... but not with the fox

[ashen thunder]

Hoo I see, I didnt really remember that, its kinda weird if they dont haha

[timber stump]

just wanted to share this as well, based off yet another idea that rudiger gave me lol

you can flowscript this stuff pretty easily. there are some things I'm still trying to figure out but I could theoretically do some cool stuff with the boss music. just not sure how jarring it might be to have the music switch like that

[somber sandal]

okay like that's actually super cool

[somber sandal]

i was gonna suggest making a custom track that can blend the two songs, but you never know when the song might switch 🤔

[timber stump]

that would be super cool, I just wish I knew how something like that could work haha

as far as I'm aware it's only possible to play one track at a time so it's always going to fade out like that before playing the new track

if it is at all possible to blend tracks, I could make events like this so much more dynamic

but I'd imagine that's beyond the ability of the engine as it is rn

[somber sandal]

theoretically it is kinda possible by essentially doing the reverse of what the bgm patch does. (one) of the reason it's locked to 60 bgm tracks is because those are the only tracks the game treats as bgm, just taking out the limit and using other tracks will make the music play like sfx (overlap)

[timber stump]

🤔

that sounds kinda hard though lol

I can't imagine most people would use it besides me and maybe like one or two other people...

[somber sandal]

yeah, it's a bit hacky plus there are other considerations (looping is probably disabled by default, other sfx play might cut the song)

[timber stump]

yeah I had just thought about that one, since SFX is one layer

I think the fact that it fades out nicely is still pretty cool! although I definitely wish there was a way to make truly dynamic battle music

I'm just thinking about like one of the P5R fights with rivers in the desert, imagine if after reaching a certain HP threshold, the song doesn't noticeably change, but the lyrics start kicking in

that'd be super cool

[timber stump]

bit of a test, this song triggers when ameno-sagiri reaches 25% HP right now

I think it would be very cool if I could get something like this to work well but it seems pretty tough lol. I'm not sure I'd want to ship it in this state that's for sure

@woven swallow you might like this

[somber sandal]

i think it would probably work better if you interrupted the fight with a short cutscene, kind of like izanagi's and p5r fights in general? ofc, there's the issue of voice lines...

[timber stump]

would something like this be sufficient? bc the Ameno-sagiri fight does absolutely have these, I think there's two or three

the reason I didn't use them here is because for some reason they're set to ranges of like 100-75, 75-50, 50-35
I was testing on easy difficulty tbf but it was easy to dodge those thresholds

[somber sandal]

yeah, it should be possible to shift those around if needed I think with flowscript

though for the izanagi fight i wonder if it'd flow better stopping all music when she starts talking, then starting the new song after her message is closed 🤔, since right now it just kinda transitions suddenly

[woven swallow]

Hmmmm ok

I do like how u got it

[timber stump]

maybe, I don't know if I can do anything about the fact that it suddenly fades out

I don't know enough about flowscripting to actually know how to do that either lol, it's not really clear to me what exactly calls the messages. I have the call BGM line as the very last line in the conditional but it still calls it right when the dialogue starts

[timber stump]

I was doing some testing earlier and it had me thinking - imagine if you got the music to change and you were hearing something like We Are One and All, something that's more inspirational
and then you die LMAO

I still haven't figured out if I can call music after dialogue, but I was able to find a way to force the music to play once the boss reaches a certain health threshold in all cases; if you had the damage dealt set to great, it was very possible to skip the music change altogether lol

[somber sandal]

lol, i think it should be possible to check the player's health and change songs with flowscript? can have more intense music play if the player is close to losing, basically making boss music dynamic?

[timber stump]

I'd have to do a pretty dynamic check for that bc for example if ameno Sagiri uses the fog combo, that usually does a lot of damage even when guarding, but that's not really an issue. I'd say personally if you had 2+ downed party members you're in trouble, but I have no idea which function I can use to find that lol

[timber stump]

how does this look as a preview video lol
idk it's hard to make these when the mod is a sound mod hahaha

[midnight python]

That looks awesome. I'm not sure what more you could really do with it

[timber stump]

for youtube, I have to use different music unfortunately (you can probably guess why)

which one seems better (i'm aware they're both worse but idk what else i could do as an alternative lol)

[split rivet]

second definitely

[timber stump]

if either of these are good I will probably just upload the mod today/tomorrow and put off the BGME framework update bc this currently works as is

ty ty, glad to finally be able to put it out soon(TM)

it's been like 6 months since i started this i'm pretty sure

that's wild

[somber sandal]

probably the biggest bgm mod made for a persona game up to this point I'd think

were you planning anything similar for other games, or just p4g?

[timber stump]

P3P - @slate citrus had a mod that imo was even bigger than this for P3P (they were straight up editing events to add additional dialogue and event stuff based on the P3 movies). idk how that's going tho
P5R - I don't own P5R on PC yet lol

it would probably be easier to leave it as one submission anyways

but you should leave it for P4G if it doesn't matter bc P4G is better 🙏

[somber sandal]

It's the same, but they should all update from the P5R one if I set it up correctly

if it's not in each game, they won't show up in reloaded unless you change source to all though

[timber stump]

could you not just set it as a universal mod or set the source to multiple games

[somber sandal]

in the reloaded's mods search it wont show up (unless you change the search)

everyone rn, since no public mods use it?

idk what's confusing, people searching mods will find it in reloaded, people using mods that require it will have it auto download?

[timber stump]

do you want me to fix that :p

restored game over music would be trivial to switch over haha

[somber sandal]

🙏 just have to swap dependencies from inaba to framework and delete the patch. honestly, full files is probably the way to go

[timber stump]

oh not even use your event editor thingy?

sure though lol that is a quick update

yeah so this is why you should probably just have one lol

idk whos really downloading it manually besides crazy people like me

[somber sandal]

true, but dont most people filter by game when searching mods?

[timber stump]

maybe? idk I mainly use GB 1-click install rather than the R2 download menu if i'm gonna be honest

[split rivet]

R2 download menu gives me a headache

the fact that multiple downloads on one page show up as different listings

and the fact that it’s not sorted by latest

it’s also just wayyyyyyy too dense

[timber stump]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/475152 mod is finally out!!

https://vimeo.com/881334663 high quality video as well :)

[somber sandal]

it would've been most useful at the start of a project lol, plus building files takes time so if you've already got the edited files there's no benefit

[timber stump]

gotcha gotcha

still wild to me that this is finally out now, i feel like i've been working on this for like. forever now

it's a nice feeling lol

[somber sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/lfg-lets-goo-gif-25423985

honestly really excited to (hopefully) finish my playthrough of p4g this time with this mod

[timber stump]

you've... you've finished p4g before. right

like you're just talking ng+ right LMAO

[somber sandal]

i've made it to the end of p4 twice, once in p4 and another in p4g...

well, close to the end a second time, ||adachi||...

[timber stump]

okay good LMAO from the wording there I was kinda scared that you hadn't hahaha

did you go for accomplice ending :')

[somber sandal]

bro persona 4 is all about the power of friendship, it's impossible to betray them

[timber stump]

||Adachi|| is your friend :')

definitely!!

it definitely wasn't just an idealized version in your head

oh but since you had asked earlier about doing this for other games: honestly I would really like to do this for P3F, but I'm not sure if that's possible. I have all the skills I need to do it I think, I'm just not sure if it's even possible to add new music to use as BGM like that.

for P5R, I want to buy the game on PC at some point or get someone to gift it to me and from there I can see if it's possible. tbh the P5 anime doesn't have particularly special music imo, not like P4A or P3M, but it would be fun to try out anyways I think

[split rivet]

coping because this will probably never work on vita

still amazing that it got released

absolutely incredible work that was put into all of this

[timber stump]

thanks :)
idk if vita has size constraints but this mod is about 150mb, it's pretty beefy lol

if BGME is ever developed for vita, I don't think it should be too hard to get everything else working, 99% of this mod is PM2/3 edits and those mostly didn't change soooo

[somber sandal]

for p3f i am honestly kinda, slightly, maybe considering to at least checkout the possibility of adding bgme, especially if it's like p3p and it can load any adx file.

[split rivet]

considering we have awb merging now, all id need to do is just convert the songs over to at9 lol

one day, one day......

[somber sandal]

yeah the p5 anime doesn't have many great tracks, but you could probably use tracks from the sequel and pq2 since they're close in style

[timber stump]

true

if I do that, I'll definitely want feedback haha. P5 is not my favorite game so I'm not quite as passionate about it as P4 or P3, ykyk

or I could make a mod that changes rivers in the desert to the P5D remix and be done LMAO

[timber stump]

still wild to me that it took this long for AWB merging to be a thing

although actually a problem is that if you need to change any IDs, that's gonna make editing troublesome

[split rivet]

it only applies to 5 games basically

5 games that still use aemulus, which is outdated

and those 5 games only have one active modder pretty much

[timber stump]

it is not a trivial port job even if BGME is a thing for Vita, unless you can use the exact same IDs

what are the other games?

[split rivet]

it's a miracle it was even made lol

[timber stump]

let me know if you end up doing that (or rather if you figure it out at all lol)

[split rivet]

P5R switch, P5R PS4, P4G 32, P4G Vita, PQ2

[timber stump]

does P3P PSP not use Aemulus?

[split rivet]

currently it only supports p4g vita and pq2 but all someone needs to do is update the csvs lol

P3P PSP doesn't use awb merging

they just have whole loose adx files

[timber stump]

oh right

[split rivet]

yeah we're pretty lucky with that

are there any limitations with that anyways lol

like if i wanted to add a whole song, what would stop me from calling it in an event

battle music? obviously that's limited

[timber stump]

probably the fact that it's not considered BGM

BGME is necessary for this mod bc it allows me to load IDs past (idk what number) as BGM

[split rivet]

does it know if a song is BGM in P3P?

[timber stump]

I mean, I could test it later if you want

[split rivet]

if you wanna honestly lol

[timber stump]

it probably does though

[somber sandal]

iirc, p3p has a list of all bgm files, and the id you call gets the name of the bgm file from that list. so it's locked to the original bgm files. on pc at least*

[split rivet]

i know there aren't really any limitations with fmvs

i'm currently working on femc cutscenes to give them her own slot

[split rivet]

sadge

PC 👀?

[timber stump]

I would tackle a P3P AME type project but purpa's project is better tbh lol

[somber sandal]

does it have a thread or a wip? all i saw were the messages in this one

[timber stump]

yeah it's old though

let me try to find

[split rivet]

i mean if there are no limitations, then that mod should probably just work natively on hardware, id just have to reexport all adx as a lower rate

https://discord.com/channels/746211612981198989/1074166727677587466

[timber stump]

ty

[split rivet]

unhardcoded music id fix required 🥲

where's the calculator when you need em

[timber stump]

P3P just keeps taking Ls huh

shame tbh bc I actually like P3P lol

[somber sandal]

😔 seems like it's on hiatus

[split rivet]

P3P takes L after L constantly

no one is modding the game

even less after P3RE comes out, even with the need for new tools

[timber stump]

honestly if it wasn't for PC sound quality, I'd say that it's good to play with mods

[somber sandal]

can't play p3re on your phone so p3p wins

[timber stump]

yet

[split rivet]

if they announce a switch port then yeah

[timber stump]

although no FEMC soooo

[split rivet]

considering SMT V's perf on switch, probably not 💀

[timber stump]

I might be willing to pick it up if purpa is fine with it and doesn't return to it any time soon, I need some time before I tackle another big project though lol

the thing that mod also doesn't do is mess with the scheduler, I figured out how to do that for P4 so maybe I can figure it out for P3P as well with the new events

I'd probably focus on FEMC instead though bc P3R exists, that's the main difference haha

[split rivet]

good luck with that on the music department

they love not giving femc music tracks

also massive props for being able to understand P4G flowscript

my eyes glaze over reading P4G flowscript vs P3P flowscript

[somber sandal]

is p3p flowscript nicer?? i thought all flowscript was

[split rivet]

P3P flowscript is wayyyyy nicer to me imo

P4G just has so much shit it's nauseating

super powerful right

if you wanna do cool stuff, you can

but P3P is just so much better to me because of it's simplicity

[timber stump]

the stuff I've had to do with P4G flowscript has never been that complicated

thankfully

for this mod, all I did was edit the scheduler to swap two events so music would carry over

[split rivet]

these mods do the exact same thing, which one is easier to read lol

[timber stump]

and for the test mods with BGME earlier, that was pretty simple bc it was just adding new music calls

I'm on my phone can you send screenshots lol

[split rivet]

P3P, P4G

here's the actual healing code for P4G

that image above on the right is just for checking your party members 😐

P3P? bit_chk(is party member in your party)

[somber sandal]

nested if statements are always 😔

[split rivet]

there's a lot of cool stuff i do wanna try and port from P4G eventually

like warping to a link when they're available to rank up

but i'm also getting like, little to no traction on my P3P PC flowscript mods

[somber sandal]

yeah, from my stat seems p5r is the most popular, then p4g, then p3p which is a bummer

[split rivet]

it really is such a bummer

[somber sandal]

but not surprising since the port was kinda low effort

[split rivet]

considering P3P has the most room to improve

you'd think people would flock to it to try and fix it up

nahhhh let's add more stuff to the already plentiful game P5R

[timber stump]

oh yeah the nested if statements are rough lol

I just tend to mod what I'm most passionate about, and I'd imagine most people do too

this mod would not exist if P4 wasn't my favorite persona game

that's just how it is

[somber sandal]

based persona 4 enjoyer 🤝

[timber stump]

I like P3P but when you have all the different versions and a remake coming out soon, it's rough

[split rivet]

maybe people will play P3RE and realize P3 actually has a good story and come back to it 🥹

[timber stump]

like why bother modding it when other games do it better?

[split rivet]

there's such a weird stigma that P3 is the worst to get into, or that going backwards from P5R is hard

[timber stump]

and I like FEMC but I don't love love her like some people I know, so the passion to fix up P3P just isnt there for me

male P3P is pointless, FES and probably Reload do it better

I gave up on localization fixes PC because of how many errors there were. there are unfixed errors I am aware of that I never fixed. (I never figured out how to lol)

[somber sandal]

this is why people were hoping there would be a full remake with femc and fes, but atlus gonna atlus so

[timber stump]

yeahhhhh

[split rivet]

like system messages or something? bmds embedded in the exe?

[timber stump]

plus I just haven't sat down and just played a persona game since P2EP

my last newsona playthrough was P3F last year

it's been a while lol, and I wanted either P5R or P3R to be my next

[timber stump]

voice lines

I couldn't figure out how to call the right IDs for battle navi voice lines

[split rivet]

oh that

yeah that i literally never figured out

i sort of worked out bustups just by calculating offsets

[timber stump]

also some characters have something something equipped equipped weapon

never figured that one out either

yeah it's like P4G sound effects

the IDs make no sense

[somber sandal]

someone else knows about the p4g sfx ids nonsense?

[timber stump]

I had to mess with it when I was making this mod

so I sure figured that one out 😭

kanji midnight channel event was CBT (not really) bc I was trying to figure out why the heck a song kept playing, then I realized it was ambience

rise midnight channel was not bc I had learned by then lol

I still don't know what the bytes correspond to, I tried to figure it out genuinely but I couldn't

[somber sandal]

they have an offset (would probably be trivial to figure out if you still need it...) when called in code i've no clue why there's an offset

[split rivet]

if atlus loves anything, they love archives and offsets

[somber sandal]

the call gets told if it's sfx, so the offset is pointless? i even found part of code gets given the real cue id for sound plays 😭

[split rivet]

it's kinda fascinating just how many different archives there are in persona games

and how you could easily have all of them in a single line just for a single file

like a bin > bin > bed > epl > amd > gmo

i know too well having to do hardware ports 🥲

[somber sandal]

would love to know if there's a technical reason they do that or it's just, "this how we've done since persona 3 and it's how we'll do it till the end of time"

[split rivet]

it's probably to compress stuff further so that it's able to be loaded constantly thus allowing it to be called faster

like if you're in a dungeon then it can just load a bunch of battle archive files, and thus call it instantly when needed

[timber stump]

they knew crazy persona fans would try to mod their games a decade or two later and so they added some measures to ensure we would hate ourselves trying to mod these shitty games

🙏

it's annoying how many file types there are

mod page got trashed because apparently the events category is the wrong place for it? 😭

sigh I'll reupload tomorrow if it's still gone by then, that's fucking annoying though

[somber sandal]

should probably ask one of the game managers, i think it should fall under events since it's does more than just replace music

[timber stump]

I think so too

who even are the game managers anyways

well I guess I'm not logged in on my phone so maybe on desktop I'll get to see the option

[granite fulcrum]

Pixelguin and Mudkip

[timber stump]

I'd asked in modder chat because I wanted to know if anyone in the modding community specifically had removed it, but tbh it seems like it was just one of the GB admins who decided, oh no, it's in the wrong place, fuck you lol

pixel was saying I could appeal it or something, I'm not on my computer but I'll get around to that soon

I mean worst case scenario I just reupload it but I would rather not have to do that

[granite fulcrum]

Is it worth it? Feels like it'd be quicker to just post in sounds?

[timber stump]

it's cool, mod is back up now

GB mods being funny it seems

[woven swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/lfg-kama-chameleons-lets-fucking-gif-25117697

@timber stump Thanks for the special thanks on the mod

[timber stump]

yup! felt right to give a special thanks bc you gave a lot of very helpful feedback

[timber stump]

apparently this mod still caused crashes on difficulty selection but specifically just for linux users haha (or rather non windows users - it worked fine on windows)
in any case, i went and updated this mod to use BGME framework as a dependency just to make life easier, that seems to have fixed the crashing

[slate citrus]

[granite fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/mulan-disney-mushu-eddie-murphy-i-live-gif-3560203

[timber stump]

actually, since this is open again: @stray merlin I believe it was you who commented on the GB page about the text from after saving Marie being messed up? I know it's been like 2 months but what did you mean by that lol

[stray merlin]

oh shit yeah i forgot-

i can record it rq

gimme a sec

[timber stump]

that would be great thanks

[stray merlin]

gotta bring in groceries first

[timber stump]

take your time, it's been 2 months the P4 player base can wait a bit longer lmao

[slate citrus]

I'm reinstalling P4G and grabbing AME on my end rn, though I feel like ig the tricky part rn is working out what we have implemented vs what we don't

Is the spreadsheet planned changes, or what's already been worked on?

[timber stump]

everything in the current spreadsheet that's linked on the site is implemented changes

[slate citrus]

bless

and the video list pins?

[timber stump]

there's nothing that hasn't already been implemented afaik

[slate citrus]

I gotcha. So more or less, it's back to manually comparing what we've got to the show's then?

I just wanna confirm before I go binge two shows for comparison lmao 😭

[timber stump]

yep, or making more creative changes as desired

I think the social links will need more creative changes due to how the anime adapts them

Marie is the exception bc P4GA haha funny

[granite fulcrum]

you planning to make your own version or something, Purpa?

[slate citrus]

When in doubt, work with what little glimpses of them we have I suppose

[timber stump]

yep this is a case of, take creative liberties lol

[slate citrus]

(i.e. for P3 Movies, there's a confrontation w Tanaka that's basically an odd interpretation of Tanaka rank 1, so I just used that music for Tanaka rank 1 lol)

[timber stump]

I may help out a bit but most of my focus is on Fog Restoration

[slate citrus]

planning on doing what I can to help Brawler with the main branch here, though admittedly I've gotta look into whatever differences P4G event scripting has compared to P3P and such to really have a sense of things

[slate citrus]

Godspeed btw, I have a somewhat unhealthy obsession with fog in general which predates me even knowing about P4

[granite fulcrum]

i didn't realise this mod was incomplete. Is it just the s.links that still need doing, or more?

[slate citrus]

so bring on the atmosphere

[timber stump]

It's not "incomplete" per say, I consider it to be more or less complete at least (you can use it during a playthrough and it is a complete enough experience). But there were aspects I had never added that I wanted to in the future, and here we are haha

(reworded)

[timber stump]

bet
if you want to take a look at that too I would not say no either

[slate citrus]

I distinctly remember looping the P4GTA version of Long Way, though I forget if they use that anywhere except when they do that bit of talking about Adachi's past

[timber stump]

this is the latest version of LEET that I use

[timber stump]

I added it in the accomplice ending. I wanted to use it for the credits but I hadn't figured out how. I have a hunch of an idea how to do it now though

[timber stump]

I think it involves flowscript

[slate citrus]

I was gonna say that I had looped the Margaret Battle theme, but on a second glance it looks like I just end -> started it

I guess I was attached to the Velvet Room piano at the end

tho tbf that track is a little weird to try and loop without cutting out a lot of unique sections of it iirc

[timber stump]

keep in mind also that as of right now, the number of usable IDs we have is limited

[slate citrus]

Ah, it isn't just somewhat indefinite like the other games, then

[timber stump]

not yet

rena was talking about looking into it later but nothing's come of that yet

[stray merlin]

huh it didnt happen this time, thats odd

[stray merlin]

maybe it was just a glitch with p4g and not a mod thing

[timber stump]

amy do you know how crazy you sound right now

[stray merlin]

IT HAPPENED

I SWEAR

[timber stump]

lmaooooo

[stray merlin]

AND THEN I WENT BACK WITH THE MOD DISABLED AND IT DIDNT HAPPEN

SO I THOUGHT THE MOD CAUSED IT

[timber stump]

you sound crazy rn

[stray merlin]

😭

[timber stump]

you should cut off all your friends

[stray merlin]

lemme see if i

at least took screenshots

when it happened

[timber stump]

if not, I guess we'll wait and see if it happens to someone else again, and if it's an issue, I'll tackle it then

[stray merlin]

i took these

if its not caused by the mod then maybe the game just

shat itself

[timber stump]

I assumed it'd be something that would've been caused by the mod haha

I'll check the files rq though

oh yeah, since I learned how to do R2 configs, I could throw that in later if that's ever needed

[slate citrus]

huh, not sure why but 1-click seemingly just silently failed

Reloaded did the usual bit where it pops up to install the package, except AME just...never ended up in my mods folder

[timber stump]

might want to do a manual download if you keep having trouble

R2 is a little inconsistent sometimes is what I've noticed

[slate citrus]

takes me like an extra second at best to download it manually yeah, just figure I'd let ya know

[timber stump]

not sure there's anything I can do about it 😔

[split rivet]

move back to aemulus

[slate citrus]

also ended up learning that a few mods I have installed for P3P and P5 are seemingly not properly marked as specifically for those, but that's unrelated

it's just funny seeing Joker's goofy mug for 2009 SEES Outfits in my Persona 4 mods list

[timber stump]

lol yeah that's a minor problem

[slate citrus]

at first I thought it was some Reloaded problem on my end, but nope

they just forgor the checkboxes

[timber stump]

everything in the files looks fine 🤔 i guess i should just assume it's all good unless someone has the same issue

[pseudo seal]

Arise

[timber stump]

rise

[pseudo seal]

I'll take a comprehensive look at everything you replaced tomorrow its pretty late here

[timber stump]

check pinned messages and you can see how I roughly did it. it was very faithful to the anime

[pseudo seal]

guess i have a good excuse to rewatch it

[timber stump]

might be why meovv thought it was slightly lacking with content

because I didn't really venture too far beyond that

taking inspiration from similar scenes in the anime is not exactly the same as redoing the music yourself

with that being said, one of my favorite edits was E376_001 iirc, the scene where they almost throw Namatame in

[pseudo seal]

i'll keep that in mind, have a list of all the anime/golden anime tracks ready too, if you wanna be a bit more daring and go purely based on vibes for some other events

[timber stump]

I think the avenues for expansion with this mod are

• social links (these will have to be partly based on vibes)
• other events entirely based on vibes

a lot of the work is planning it out too so I would say that if I even had rough concepts to work off of, that is a significant time saver

[pseudo seal]

mm, i can def help you out there by pure discussion, if you have the chance to teach me how to do the making part (if that'd save you time) i'm definitely willing to learn

[timber stump]

could probably do so. I should probably update the modding docs with that info though bc a rough guide was available in the old modding docs

[pseudo seal]

great! Excited to 'revive' this gem :)

[timber stump]

well let me rephrase, I can walk you through it eventually probably

[pseudo seal]

no worries, i know you're busy so only try your hand at it if you have the chance (and desire) to

[timber stump]

sure thing

would be nice to see this go somewhere this is actually my favorite mod but I've felt it was in a complete state so I just did not prioritize it

[pseudo seal]

i'll do my best to make that dream come true lolz

[pseudo seal]

hey so completely spitballing here but i just got back home and had the idea of replacing the battle music in || marie's fight || with dazzling smile.. (considering its || her singing it ||, among other reasons..)

Could cut it to be fit for a battle theme (like getting rid of the weird intersection near the end) no clue if you already did somehing with it, just a quick thought before i actually get to it

[timber stump]

so I've tried to avoid changing battle music for the most part. one of the reasons is because music enhancement pack already adds anime music for the ||Adachi and Marie|| fights

like is it possible, yes, but I've tried to have this mod focused on events bc there's 5 million battle theme mods out there

[pseudo seal]

good call, was just curious as to if it'd even fit haha

[timber stump]

MEP uses just like the wind

I think that's a pretty good fit for what it is (the mod also explains the justification there too)

[pseudo seal]

About social links. Would you want to tackle them individually or do it in batches like grouping drama and music together

asking cuz i'd think you'd be more satisfied with your work if you give them individual attention compared to trying to knock out similar scenes in one go since theres only so much music you can work with

[timber stump]

not sure how to answer that ngl

[pseudo seal]

i wasn't sure how to ask it either, you can forget ab it

[timber stump]

kk lol

[pseudo seal]

Might take a while before i get back to you on this, watching the anime while simultaneously working on the p4g social stats tracker and the improved shops for p3p

[timber stump]

I already did a lot of the anime inspired events anyways. most work from here would probably be going off vibes