BGME (Music customization for P4G 64-bit, P3P, and P5R)

[upper siren]

how do I change the volume of individual tracks in BGME? is it the same process as for Ryo?

some of my Nocturne tracks are quieter compared to the rest of the music

[outer socket]

hi, I downloaded a mod, and I saw that the menu song was still playing, how can I fix it?

[zinc patio]

you're correct, the descriptions and the toggles are indeed hardcoded in the .DLLs.

if you are just trying to put your own music in the game, you can follow the same rough structure as my mod, but don't worry about the .DLLs

that way, all your themes would be loaded in by default

if you're interested in making toggles, it's more of an involved process

[sharp ferry]

Not especially interested in toggles, but good to know. So if I follow the same rough structure it will add those songs but default to "on" with no toggle I presume like any other BGME Battle Themes mod. If that's the case that's more than enough for me, learning C# isn't on my plate right now. Thanks!

[zinc patio]

yep!

i'll have to see about making my configs open source so people can just copy them lol

[sharp ferry]

That would be super rad but of course substantially more work. I'd like to think people would appreciate if you did but what we have already is great.

[zinc patio]

i don't think it should be more work? the main issue is I'm not familiar with github

[zinc patio]

haven't had a single issue with victory music in my testing. also the seamless battle music works perfectly :)

it'd be cool if there was a way to have the results music only play after the AOA screen, could be a separate mod :p

[prisma notch]

welp heres a fun new bug

well idk if its new

but every single time you walk around in the overworld now

any transition restarts the music

[next sparrow]

Like going to a different location?

Moving from the shrine to the mall for example

[prisma notch]

even transistions such as walking in and out of your classroom

or time swaps

morning to afternoon

but yes those to

ok

and now its just not changing

after going into the dorm

it just keeps playing color your night

[sharp ferry]

Well.... sick!

[rigid snow]

was that joker?

[prisma notch]

wdym

[rigid snow]

the person that did the "yeah..."

yeah i think it is lmao

[prisma notch]

omg that does sound like joker what

[prisma notch]

I KNEW I RECOGNIZED EDOGAWAS VOICE

[rigid snow]

are you replacing the song that's playing?

[prisma notch]

its on a randomizer

but it always keeps the same thing every call

[rigid snow]

hmm yeah with randomization of overworld songs what you're getting is actually the default behavior. i added a check to reuse the same song since telling the game to play the same thing just makes it continue playing the song like normal

in other games that was all that's needed, not sure why it's resetting in this case. maybe manually starting playing is doing that

[upper siren]

It also does that in the Velvet room when fusion starts. Restarts the song that was playing pre-fusion

[prisma notch]

other thing

i clicked out the game now its frozon

i havent saved in awhile

noooooooooooo

like the music is playing its running

[rigid snow]

if you clicked in the console it'll pause the game

if it tries to send a new log

click in the console then hit enter

[prisma notch]

huh

ok that worked

what

i mess with my console all the time

why was this different

[rigid snow]

in in the console will select actual text and pause it (probably to keep it from moving)

you can click the window/scroll without pausing

[zinc patio]

I know this one can happen only with P3R essentials if you have play in background on

but you have to leave the game sitting there for a sec

[prisma notch]

i mean renas method worked

still weird tho

also i still think MC looks so much better with the black shirt

hence why i use it in my personal playthrough

[crisp barn]

I obviously have no idea about the back end, but since you have set it to continue from the last cue, would it be possible to also log what sample the cue is on prior to a scene transition?

Basically instead of just saying play song 4001 if previous scene played song 4001, play song 4001 at sample x if previous scene reached sample x of song 4001. I know it might be janky but it's an idea.

[rigid snow]

yeah way too janky probably; it shouldn't be an issue in the first place

[rigid snow]

this is on the latest version of everything? i'd expect it to happen without randomization but going in and out of the classroom didn't do anything

[prisma notch]

latest gb version

[sharp ferry]

So I tried adding my own music, but so far no dice. I made two new "theme.pme" files (first pic). Here's an example of the contents for one:

const BATTLE_THEME = battle_victory_set(p4_ReachOutToTheTruth,p4_ReachOutToTheTruth)

I also added the matching .hca in the "music" folder (second pic). I see "music.json" is updating appropriately, but the two new songs never play. Is there some kind of re-build I have to force?

[upper siren]

I think if you aren't using the dlls you might need to take the pme files out of the options folder and put them in the battle-themes one instead. At least from my experience, reloaded doesn't check read the options folder for my personal mod

[upper siren]

This is my folder layout + one of my pme files if you want another reference. I'm not bothering with song toggles rn, this layout plays all of the music perfectly

[zinc patio]

oh yeah I think that makes sense. idk if that was in the documentation or not but it probably is. mine is just unique lol

tbh if people wanted to copy it I could just change the paths

[upper siren]

this is how i have mine set up in the battle-themes

[zinc patio]

but I mean so far it just hadn't gotten enough attention

[zinc patio]

yeah, documentation says as such :p

[upper siren]

let me give you this folder

though let me removve the copyrighted stuff first

you can use it as a basis

[zinc patio]

yeah if you're using a config this is how it's set up by default

[upper siren]

set up in Reloaded to be on all 4 supported persona games so you can just drag and drop the music you want to work and edit the mod data as you wish

[zinc patio]

that's probably what made my thing a little confusing

[upper siren]

al;so technically a release for the FF7R and FF13 battle themes. iff you want that

[upper siren]

Lol

[prisma notch]

btw the new update fixed the weird music reset

[rigid snow]

the one on github?

[prisma notch]

yea

[sharp ferry]

Awesome, thanks everyone! As always, read the documentation. Wasn't sure if the default folder structure worked with this particular implementation

[sharp ferry]

Should have known the setup was specific to your mod

[crisp barn]

Quick question, how would I set up a music override for all special battles after a set date? Nevermind don't need to

[sharp ferry]

What's the proper time/method for forcing a rebuild? I've encountered what might be a bug but want to be sure my changes to my music additions are being accounted for properly

[zinc patio]

@upper siren https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BattleThemes.Template

I'll touch up the instructions later but it's not too bad to figure out the basics

they're like mostly good anyways, there's a few small details but it's 95% accurate lol

[sharp ferry]

Now I'm having the default victory theme play even when I set it not to. I'll double check my config first

[zinc patio]

strego, for your smt battle themes mod I'd also recommend updating the description, I see a couple of issues with it

• under known issues, your mod will have the same issues as mine, I added a new issue recently
• your mod should be compatible with P3P/P4G/P5R unless you call any IDs specific to P3R in your theme configs

[zinc patio]

wdym time to force a rebuild?

for the method, to do that just go to BGME.BattleThemes and delete the P3R folder, then reboot the game

[sharp ferry]

I'll try that and see if it helps. I modified and added new .pme files so thought it might need to rebuild the file and build paths that BGME Battle themes uses

[upper siren]

I think I took out the p3p/4g/5r sentence earlier cuz I realized it should work with those games, I'll add the other issue in a little bit when I get home though

[upper siren]

Tysm for this btw

[zinc patio]

technically Rena made it sooo

[sharp ferry]

@zinc patio With you adding the ability to customize the victory theme in the latest version, does that override setting "battle_victory_set" in the .pme files? I can't tell if the default setting for victory theme is "off" or it will always play the default no matter what you do in the .pme files

[zinc patio]

nah, i just used separate pmes

[sharp ferry]

Ok, so if I went into "p4rott_u.theme.pme" and made the config " const BATTLE_THEME = battle_victory_set(p4u_ReachOutToTheTruth,p4u_ReachOutToTheTruth)" , "v.p4rott_u.theme.pme" won't override that?

sorry for the nitpicky questions

I suppose if they did override, I could go into all the "v." files and change those...

[zinc patio]

correct. the files with the v. prefixes are only used when the custom victory themes is set to source. if it's set to default, it uses the other files instead

[sharp ferry]

Gotcha. Still getting the default victory theme playing sometimes though, not sure what's causing it. I'll try to observe if it's particular songs

[grave holly]

New update fixed that for me too and most music going into incorrectly continuing to play and subsequently playing over other music seems to be fixed with category_ids: [0, 13, 21] but an example of it still happening seems to be with the music playing into some cutscenes. This only seems to happen with custom BGM IDs, not when replacing existing BGM Cue IDs

[prisma notch]

mine is still funky when entering either the police station or the drug store

[grave holly]

Just tried that and you're right yeah it does mess up there too

[prisma notch]

also try entering the dorm

at night

[sharp ferry]

Default victory theme still plays sometimes with seemingly no pattern. I'll check the logs

[sullen pawn]

Hi, Brawler told me to post my log here because I has having issues with randomized battle themes.

[rigid snow]

BGME Framework for P3R isn't installed and/or enabled

[sullen pawn]

Oh well now I feel like an idiot

Thanks

[crisp barn]

For this step
* 2. Add a config setting for it in: public class Config : Configurable<Config>
What container does the declaration go in?

Found it, need to figure something out

[crisp barn]

I keep getting this error when trying to build the config

Error: D:\a\BattleThemes.Template.MDMp3\BattleThemes.Template.MDMp3\Mod.cs(44,56): error CS1061: 'Config' does not contain a definition for 'MDmP3dungeon' and no accessible extension method 'MDmP3dungeon' accepting a first argument of type 'Config' could be found (are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?) [D:\a\BattleThemes.Template.MDMp3\BattleThemes.Template.MDMp3\BattleThemes.Template.csproj]```

[rigid snow]

Post the Mod.cs. How are you editing it: github or vs?

[crisp barn]

vs code but I think it might be a case issue

yeah it was a case error

[rigid snow]

yeah lol, welcome to the joys of programming 🙂

[zinc patio]

programming 😔

[upper seal]

Is there something like a config where I can control the volume of a song for BGME Battle Themes (P3R)? I want to avoid remixing the files if I can

[rigid snow]

for a single song not really since the generated files have names that are indeterminate

you can set the volume for all songs in the generated folder by creating a config.yaml in MOD_FOLDER/BGME/P3R with a volume: 0.15 setting. set it to something between 0 to 1.

[upper seal]

Gotcha. What's the default volume setting? 1?

[rigid snow]

0.15

really not sure why they're so loud in P3R despite the correct categories 😔

[upper seal]

Also if I want multiple songs do I create a new .pme file for every .hca? I currently got 1 so far that's just const BATTLE_THEME = whims

And actually my song volume was too low I wanted to crank it up

[rigid snow]

if it's not going to a released mod with a config for enabling specific songs, you can just toss everything into a random_song to randomly play the songs

const songs = [song_1, song_2, etc]
const BATTLE_THEME = random_song(songs)

[upper seal]

Yep it will just be for me, thanks!

[crisp barn]

I actually figured that out the other day. Reload's OST must be compressed, once I added a compressor to my audio files they sounded roughly the same volume as the OST.

[crisp barn]

I do have a question. Would it ever be possible to tie certain songs to the rank of an SL?

[next sparrow]

Not quite the same thing, but you could replace the songs that play at (usually) higher ranks and do it that way. Don’t know what the specific name was but

[crisp barn]

Yeah, that won't do it. What I was hoping to do was add songs to my psuedo MP3 player that other characters would listen to. IE get Yukari to rank 9 and she shares some of her music with you.

[rigid snow]

it's possible in the sense there's no big technical reason someone couldn't make it with the right programming knowhow; possible through music script though naw

i really do like the diegetic MP3 for BGM idea though, and have tentative plans for implementing it as a mod before i start my playthrough (whenever that is)

[crisp barn]

It would be as simple as reading the hex addresses for the ranks, but I have no idea how I'd go about that.

[slim lintel]

Can one also use the music randomizer for other points in the game besides battles for P3R? Thinking of making a mod for the velvet room (akin to how it is in P1/P2)

[upper siren]

You can yeah, did something like that last week. I think currently the music resets when you fuse but other than that it works normally

When you make your pme file it'd be laid out kinda like this, but with your own file numbers/constant name

[crisp barn]

For a more complex example using battle themes, here's my script to run the MP3 player in Tartarus.

const diegetic_exploration_bgm = [
    // WESTERN
    // chevelle
        diegetic-chevelle-another_know_it_all, diegetic-chevelle-antisaint, diegetic-chevelle-midnight_to_midnight,
    // linkin_park
        diegetic-linkin_park-dont_stay, diegetic-linkin_park-hit_the_floor, diegetic-linkin_park-lying_from_you, diegetic-linkin_park-nobodys_listening, diegetic-linkin_park-one_step_closer, diegetic-linkin_park-papercut, diegetic-linkin_park-points_of_authority,
    // papa_roach
        diegetic-papa_roach-do_or_die, diegetic-papa_roach-getting_away_with_murder, diegetic-papa_roach-life_is_a_bullet, diegetic-papa_roach-she_loves_me_not,
    // saosin
        diegetic-saosin-changing, diegetic-saosin-i_keep_my_secrets, diegetic-saosin-seven_years, diegetic-saosin-translating_the_name,
    // DOMESTIC
    // coldrain
        diegetic-coldrain-counterfeits_and_lies, diegetic-coldrain-doors, diegetic-coldrain-final_destination, diegetic-coldrain-just_tonight, diegetic-coldrain-my_addiction, diegetic-coldrain-painting, diegetic-coldrain-someday, diegetic-coldrain-survive
    ]

// RANDOM SONG FOR NORMAL BATTLE
    const BATTLE_THEME = battle_victory_set(random_song(diegetic_battle_bgm), diegetic_victory_bgm)

const makoto_mp3 = random_song(diegetic_exploration_bgm)

// TARTARUS EXPLORATION
    // THEBEL
    global_bgm["tartarus_0d01"]:
        music = makoto_mp3
    end
    // ARQA
    global_bgm["tartarus_0d02"]:
        music = makoto_mp3
    end
    // YABBASHAH
    global_bgm["tartarus_0d03"]:
        music = makoto_mp3
    end
    // TZIAH
    global_bgm["tartarus_0d04"]:
        music = makoto_mp3
    end
    // HARABAH
    global_bgm["tartarus_0d05"]:
        music = makoto_mp3
    end```

The BATTLE_THEME needs to be there but it is set to be whatever I defined in the battle theme pme

[slim lintel]

🙏🏿 🙏🏿 thanks

Will be working on my own playlist then for Velvet room songs from all the games

[crisp barn]

Yeah, the advantage of working with battle themes is that it lets you pick the replacements by name rather than ID

[upper seal]

Is there a reason why sometimes there is no BGM after a battle ends? This is my script (Custom mod using BGME Battle Themes):

const all_songs =  [p3mv_MassDestruction, pq2_PulltheTrigger, pq2_WaitandSee, p5_kirara_magic_lastsurprise, p5d_groovy, p5d_lifewillchange, p5d_lastsurprise, p4d_reachout, p4g_timetomakehistory, p5d_whimsoffate, p4u_ReachOutToTheTruth, p4u_TheUltimateStageEdit, p5s_AxetoGrind, pq2_InvitationToFreedom]

const victories_battle_theme = [pq2_TheShowisOver, p4u2_GetATripleS, p5d_TriumphP5D, pq_WayToGo]

const BATTLE_THEME = battle_victory_set(random_song(all_songs), random_song(victories_battle_theme))

[rigid snow]

i think it's a bug with bgme right now so not really anything you can do to fix it

pretty sure i know what causes it, just haven't gotten to fixing it

[upper seal]

Oh...damn

[crisp barn]

Well, this didn't go how I planned lol, I knew about the Tartarus bug but this one was quite funny. I had no idea the train would do this.

[slim lintel]

One or more errors occurred. (Cannot find key to decrypt HCA file.) at System.Threading.Tasks.Task.ThrowIfExceptional(Boolean includeTaskCanceledExceptions) at System.Threading.Tasks.Task.Wait(Int32 millisecondsTimeout, CancellationToken cancellationToken) at BGME.BattleThemes.Themes.MusicRegistry.RegisterModMusic(String modId, String modDir) at BGME.BattleThemes.Themes.MusicRegistry.RegisterMusic() at BGME.BattleThemes.Themes.MusicRegistry..ctor(Game game, Config config, String modDir, String[] enabledMods) at BGME.BattleThemes.Mod..ctor(ModContext context)

I usually get this error when generating hca files with VGAudioCli. I use the keycode when generating it

[rigid snow]

bgme battle themes music needs to be unencrypted

it handles encrypting/encoding to each game automatically

[slim lintel]

ohh okay

so I should not use the keycode? I assume that does the encrypting

[rigid snow]

yea no keycode

[slim lintel]

got it, thanks!

[upper siren]

Is the version of Mass Destruction used for stuff like the encounters during the 5/9 full moon different than the one in Tartarus?

Cuz it's not randomized for me

[slim lintel]

Seems like it, did not randomize for me either

[rigid snow]

i did notice some battles were explicitly set to use mass destruction

normally regular battles aren't set to any song, so the game's code will handle it. i didn't know what battles they were so i just left them out of "normal battles"

[slim lintel]

what's the key for the music within the velvet room?

Tried both "Aria of the Soul -Reload-" and "Velvet Room", both throwing an error

[zinc patio]

I think that's fine tbh they're clearly treated differently

[slim lintel]

Forgot about this, thanks a bunch

[vague socket]

how do you disable keycode?

[slim lintel]

remove "--keycode 40351957794689840" when you execute the command

[crisp barn]

it's also easy to rectify like this, I'm sure this can be cleaned up but this is more or less how I handled it. I watched the console for the encounter IDs.

// EXAMPLE
// DEFINE TRACKS
const may_fullmoon_nrm_battle_bgm = YOUR_BATTLE_TRACKS
const may_fullmoon_nrm_victory_bgm = YOUR_VICTORY_TRACKS
// ENCOUNTER OVERRIDES
encounter[760]:
    music = may_fullmoon_nrm_battle_bgm
    victory_music = may_fullmoon_nrm_victory_bgm
end
encounter[761]:
    music = may_fullmoon_nrm_battle_bgm
    victory_music = may_fullmoon_nrm_victory_bgm
end
encounter[762]:
    music = may_fullmoon_nrm_battle_bgm
    victory_music = may_fullmoon_nrm_victory_bgm
end
encounter[763]:
    music = may_fullmoon_nrm_battle_bgm
    victory_music = may_fullmoon_nrm_victory_bgm
end```

[slim lintel]

It works great besides that the velvet room music still plays when leaving the velvet room

[next sparrow]

hey, is there a BGME Battle Themes const for setting specifically tartarus miniboss themes for P3R?

Alternatively do we know the encounter IDs for tartarus mini bosses lol

[rigid snow]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/495462

[next sparrow]

are special battles the tartarus bosses?

and also does reactive work just by making folders with the ID you want and placing HCAs inside?

sorry, I never used Reactive originally

and I'm tryna help out my much less modding savvy friend

so

just need to know what to set up

sorry, just need to know

(if someone who's used reactive could help that'd be great)

(cause they wanna randomize tartarus boss music)

@rigid snow

[rigid snow]

did you even read the page 😔

you add the file for the battle as listed in the table, and it'll play for that battle

[next sparrow]

well it mentions nothing about randomization and idk if special battles = tartarus boss themes only or

thats why I'm asking

cause it aint just a single file

[rigid snow]

special battles is just the opposite of normal battles, it shouldn't be used and it's just there to determine what's a normal battle

[next sparrow]

oh.

well uh.

is there a way to set stuff to tartarus boss fights specifically?

[rigid snow]

there's some missing collections compared to p3p, even accounting for femc stuff

and no there's no randomization, it's meant for 1 song per battle(s)

[next sparrow]

gotcha. thats all I needed to know

thanks

again I never used reactive and the GB post is kinda short so I wasn't positive

...actually Ryo can "randomize" music with a specific folder right?

[rigid snow]

you'd have to use regular music script + find out what tartarus boss encounter ids there are for what you want

[next sparrow]

wait no

thats not done yet

oh I could also do global_bgm

[rigid snow]

@next sparrow https://amicitia.miraheze.org/wiki/Persona_3_Reload/Encounters

[next sparrow]

to replace master of tartarus reload

[rigid snow]

true

[next sparrow]

....where do I find the name IDs for the songs again

nvm

[rigid snow]

https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/PersonaModdingMetadata/blob/main/Persona.Music.Metadata/P3R_PC/music.yaml

one day they'll be in phos

not today, but one day

[next sparrow]

ok stupid question: for P3R, how are hcas meant to be structured folder-wise for BGME Framework? Tried doing global_bgm and they got super loud tartarus theme when they went into the fight

so clearly something isn't working right

I initially had them place 1201.hca, 1202.hca, and 1203.hca in Ryo/P3R. But I don't know what went wrong

idk if they need to be link_1201 or

again I'm kinda stupid lmao

[next sparrow]

Ok turns out he also had a file replacing Master of Tartarus, though when using mod menu to load the files after having loaded mass destruction, mass destruction was quiet in the back fsr

[rigid snow]

back fsr??

[rigid snow]

new music is just "bgm id" so this is correct ^

bgme also adds a ryo folder BGME/P3R you can use to add new audio so you don't need to add a direct dependency to ryo but it'll work either way

[next sparrow]

“Quiet in the back, for some reason”

[next sparrow]

But yeah thanks I had a feeling I just wasn’t sure lol

[upper seal]

Following up on this question about the tartarus BGM silent bug: This fixed it for me https://gamebanana.com/sounds/72908

[upper siren]

if you have the EX BGM unlocked you can also use that to get BGM back

[opal spear]

Hey hey Rena, in P3R
Could I use a bgme script to have 2 tracks playing simultaneously
And having the encounter trigger modify the volume of them separately?

[rigid snow]

https://tenor.com/view/aigis-persona-3-nuh-uh-gif-2187820196525411510

[opal spear]

[rigid snow]

i actually want to do something like that too but it's definitely a code mod of some sort

[opal spear]

👀

Are we both trying to turn P3R into Caligula?

[rigid snow]

oooh, what does caligula do with it's bgm ? my current idea is sorta a mix of the diagetic bgm mod and fire emblem.
in tartarus, bgm would be an "mp3"ified version of battle music that transitions into the regular version once in a battle

idk if i'll actually implement it though, i think know it'll be a pain 😭

[rigid snow]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-confused-travolta-where-lost-gif-5308454

[opal spear]

I love the way Caligula does it
It has like 4 tracks running at the same time
Main music, piano highlights, vocals. and a mix track
So in a dungeon
The main melody and the piano plays. then when you enter battle. it uses the mix track to hide the crossfade
And it replaces the piano with vocal track

[opal spear]

Sorry. I posted a video with no sound

Pretty please make a system for it
I want to replace all of tarterus music this waaaayyy

[next sparrow]

@rigid snow still not fixed

The silent Tartarus glitch I mean

I’m using 1.0.4

Wait actually-

One moment

Yup

Still broken

Sorry

[outer depot]

[quartz thorn]

Hi, I had the same issue as last time, but kind of different. I currently have three songs in my custom music, but two of them are not playing since I added the third one. The script and ID are correct (maybe), and the song has 16 bits with a 44.1k rate. 
Edit: the mod works again when im add the fourth song .

[rigid snow]

if you're talking about random song and it only picking one, it really might just be coincidence

brawler and me have been hit by "is randomization broken or is it just picking the same song randomly"

[quartz thorn]

Yeah maybe it's just coincidence, and the mod is amazing

And i wanna change this song with that path is possible? Or do i need to use another mod?

[rigid snow]

yeah you can add it to the same folder

[quartz thorn]

Yes Ser, thank you very much

[crisp barn]

Rena, I'm already hitting the 200mb limit with MDmp3. Will BGME still pick up songs if I were to separate them across sub mods? Basically have the main download be the code and then have the audio files in archives sorted by what I'm using them as.

[rigid snow]

yeah

for example the main menu music doesn't include a file, any other mod can add one

[crisp barn]

Alright, I might need to do some refactoring since I'm using battle-themes as a base

[rigid snow]

oooh, keep in mind you can spread out music used in regular music scripts. battle themes music is limited to just the mod itself.

you can split them into multiple battle theme mods since everything is added to the same pool

[crisp barn]

Ah

I'll do that then

[slim lintel]

what parameter should I send into global_bgm to replace Deep Breath Deep Breath? Tried both "Deep Breath Deep Breath -Reload- (got this rom Amicitia)" and "Deep Breath Deep Breath"

This is for the Operation Babe Hunt

Now I get the error that it is not present in dictionary

[slim lintel]

Got it to work by using the CueID instead

[upper siren]

for future reference, the names in the newest version of music manager match the songs for bgme (same data files)

though updating would require essentially a new install

[crisp barn]

It's "Deep Breath**,** Deep Breath -Reload-" so if you fogot the comma it wouldn't work

I replaced it for the first Full Moon level and legitimately had no clue it was used for the beach scene

Although, it's now absolutely hilarious since there's a phantom MP3 player somewhere

[slim lintel]

Ahhh, that wasn't stated in Amicita (C&Ped from there straight up)

[boreal fulcrum]

btw, was the Life Will Change bug ever fixed?

[next sparrow]

hm?

idk what that bug is

[zinc patio]

I think it's the one in P5R where normal battles on heist days wouldn't continue Life Will Change/I believe

does that sound right?

[boreal fulcrum]

yeah, usually when Life Will Change is playing, the game prevents the battle themes from playing until you run into the palace ruler

but BGME/Battle Themes ignores that

[rigid snow]

https://tenor.com/view/aigis-persona-3-nuh-uh-gif-2187820196525411510

[crisp barn]

Rena, for P3R could you make an .enc for the Monad encounters? They're 774 through 794.

[upper siren]

what's monad???

[somber cape]

Are you /j or /srs

[upper siren]

i'm like 8 hours into the game and it's been like 5 years since i played p3p 😔

[somber cape]

Ok so

You know that bonus dungeon in the previous versions

The orange thebel one

That's called Monad, and it was just an extra area to grind in there

Now it's integrated into tartarus

Appearing as random doors to go in, will be introduced in 3rd block

You'll meet some old guardians you beat before in there

And after beating them, you'll receive crafting ingredients or items

Now there's also the monad depths, these all appear at the end of an area for a month

There will be new bosses inside there and will drop equipment, costumes or some piece of lore inside

[upper siren]

sounds fun lol

i thought costumes were bought tbh

[somber cape]

Anyways I think they meant the music for the bosses inside

[upper siren]

ohhh, i thought they were talking about the regular encounters too

[somber cape]

Nah it doesn't have regular enemies in, only bosses

[rigid snow]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-lie-lol-not-telling-the-truth-that-was-a-lie-gif-13885912

fixed now

[rigid snow]

https://tenor.com/view/oozora-subaru-gif-23708868

i literally only added the bit check

[boreal fulcrum]

lemme check on my end after updating

still works just fine in P5R

[upper siren]

i've reverted the update

https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME/releases/tag/2.2.1

this version had the fix, the only change was the added bit check (which worked fine for me)

[boreal fulcrum]

lmao, what happened, did it break after all?

[upper siren]

ig, two people said it did and it's not like my testing is extensive

if (battleMusicId == -1 || this.bitChk!(0x20000050))
{
    return;
}

i double checked to make sure it was the same check as the game's

ig i need to match the game's if statement better

[boreal fulcrum]

weird, cus I did get the update and I tried it and it seemed fine

so no idea what happened

then again I also didn't like, extensively try every way

[boreal fulcrum]

I just realized, am i reading this wrong or are you returning early if the bit is off?

the bit being on is when life will change (or I believe) are playing

[upper siren]

it's returning early if it's on

[slim lintel]

Is there any way to get random BGM for monad door battles?

[slow iron]

@upper siren I'm curious, would it be possible to make the game tell us the id of the current encounter?

I wanna document stuff like which fights are in which Tartarus block or Full Moon event for P3P, though generally forcing any one of them to load in Tartarus makes it happen in Thebel instead of wherever it actually takes place (the exception being bosses in general)

i.e. force loading an encounter with a Monad enemy makes it show in Thebel instead, making it hard to tell what actually corresponds to which area

[rigid snow]

monad door? is that different the monad battles mentioned earlier??

[rigid snow]

set log level to debug in bgme framework mod

it'll log the encounter id

[slim lintel]

It might be the same

[slow iron]

thank you

[crisp barn]

Yeah they're the same, encounters 774 through 794

[slim lintel]

can one set music for encounter IDs in the .pme script?

[rigid snow]

yeah, the names are just for convenience/multiple encounters at once

encounter[100]:

[slim lintel]

tyty ^^

[next sparrow]

What happened to BGME regarding #announcements ? I haven’t updated P3R I just am confused lol

[storm rover]

Seems to be that the new update to P3R has started causing BGME to start crashing on launch basically from what I understand

[next sparrow]

Ah. I wonder if the bgm AWB/ACB got updated for velvet room stuff or smth

[quartz thorn]

Today I've juts update the game and get error. Its the update cause this?

[next sparrow]

Did you update BGME to 1.1.2

[quartz thorn]

Yes, after i open Reloaded i got notice to update certain mod

[rigid snow]

yeah that's the new pattern in the latest version; are you on steam or gamepass?

[quartz thorn]

Gamepass version

[rigid snow]

did you update the gamepass version?

[quartz thorn]

Yup 3GB update

[rigid snow]

did you use the old uwp dump method or the new one from a recent reloaded update?

[quartz thorn]

Yah im think that's the problem, so i just delete the old file and make the new one?

[rigid snow]

well yes and no

if you did use the old method then you're actually still launching the previous version (from the dumped files)

instead of dumping though, you can just select the exe in the xbox games folder. it should work fine now

just in case it doesn't do it automatically, click Edit Application on the left of the mods list, then under Advanced Tools enable Don't Inject Loader and click Deploy ASI Loader.

[quartz thorn]

All song works again thanks to you

About the dump file is oke to delete it?

[rigid snow]

yeah i think it should be fine to delete it

[next sparrow]

Dumb question but do costume specific BGME Battle Themes music mods (such as the Not a Phase music) conflict with other BGME Battle Themes music that’s meant to apply more generally?

[rigid snow]

all battle theme mods combine together

[next sparrow]

cool

[slim lintel]

Does this work with the new update now?

[somber cape]

Yes

[tribal saffron]

is there any way to have tartarus music continuously play through battles like life will change in p5

[tribal saffron]

ok i've got it half working, would there be a way to stop it from resetting music after the battle

[rigid snow]

the game hardcodes an audio fade between song transitions in battles and that resets songs; bgme leaves the last one alone since it wouldn't affect normal use, but it is affecting you

[tribal saffron]

ah ok, thanks for the clarification

[tribal saffron]

is event music editing possible in reload currently? i know the documentation only says p4g so i'd assume not but there doesn't seem to be any mention of reload yet so it'd be nice if it did

[zinc patio]

Rena can correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I recall seeing a help thread where they said that they would only add it if someone were interested in creating at least a medium sized project with it

[tribal saffron]

ah right, i'd wanted to do something similar to the P4 anime music mod with the movie soundtrack so i guess i fall under that

if that's the case then i'll probably start planning more becuase i've got notes on general song placements but i could actually start noting down event ids and frames for things just to show i'd be commited

luckily i can still work on battle music and the pre-rendered stuff

[zinc patio]

so I'm the person who made said P4G mod, I was thinking of working on a similar mod for P3R (was actually thinking of it yesterday) but I don't have the same sort of free time I did last year anymore which is why I haven't asked rena up to this point 😆

I'd be happy to offer some assistance if you want it though

[somber cape]

There's BGME for Reload, right?

[tribal saffron]

If I need it definitely thank you!

[zinc patio]

yes but no expanded IDs for events yet afaik

[zinc patio]

(you're probably gonna need it with the sheer workload lol)

[somber cape]

I just want to replace the liz boss fight music

[tribal saffron]

Liz is possible

[zinc patio]

idk if there's a list of specific IDs for Reload yet in an easily accessible location but pretty sure that's been possible for a while now haha

[tribal saffron]

I think all the encounters are up on amicitia and bgme might have an enc for Elizabeth I don't remember

Definitely had her under special battles cuz I grabbed the monad door and passage ids from there for another swap

[zinc patio]

oh yeah you're right, didn't even realize the amicitia page already had this info https://amicitia.miraheze.org/wiki/Persona_3_Reload/Encounters

ID 725 or I'm guessing "Elizabeth" works if you need it doors

[rigid snow]

it is if you can figure out where event music cues are

but if you mean through music script like p4g's, then no

[tribal saffron]

yeah i meant like p4g

[rigid snow]

idk what's meant by this

yeah idk where p3r's event stuff is, surprised no one has looked into it tbh

[zinc patio]

just was talking about music

[boreal fulcrum]

I have once again been asked about hold up music @rigid snow

[rigid snow]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-ぼっちざろっく-ぼっち-blanket-gif-26979593

yeah i've got like no motivation to do any modding or fixes; idk if/when it'll be fixed tbh

[boreal fulcrum]

isnt it just removing a patch you left

[rigid snow]

yep, but no motivation 😔

[opal spear]

[zinc patio]

https://tenor.com/view/dragonball-z-anime-take-my-energy-gif-11681831

[rigid snow]

meant to mention it when it hit 15k but i forgor ; bgme hit 15k 17k installs

[whole hedge]

noice

[opal spear]

[slow iron]

@rigid snow I corrected a bunch of small mistakes with the P3 Portable project preset for Phos, and categorized/tagged everything somewhat

did a fresh install of Phos the other day and realized that the basic Gekkoukan High themes somehow got overlooked, so between that and me wanting to account for the dupes which the game uses some of for seemingly no reason I ended up doing this

[slow iron]

Most of the game uses 43 for Joy, but a lot of the events made/reworked for P3P specifically use the traditionally unused 38.ADX just because

@zinc patio I got reminded of this and I wonder if Atlus even bothered to check which id they used for all of the FES events lmao

I'd go through and fix it, but it would be the first 0 download mod lol

[zinc patio]

atlus moment?

[rigid snow]

that actually might've already been done, turns out last phos release has been bork'd for two months

[median tiger]

what are the names for the dlc bgm of P3R? I tried link(UNDERLINE)Sound(UNDERLINE)number and Sound(UNDERLINE)#, neither worked.

[rigid snow]

https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/PersonaModdingMetadata/blob/main/Persona.Music.Metadata/P3R_PC/music.yaml
just remove the link_ from the start of the ReplacementPath for the dlc songs, it's a mistake
example, Heaven would be replaced by Sound_23.hca:

- Name: Heaven
  Category: ''
  Tags: []
  CueId: -1
  ReplacementPath: Ryo/P3R/link_Sound_23.hca
  Encoder: HCA (Persona 3 Reload)

oh, unless you mean how to use them in a music script in which case that's not supported afaik

[alpine fulcrum]

is there a step-by-step guide for making a bgme mod for Golden if I have literally zero experience doing so prior? any special tools besides 010 Editor?

[zinc patio]

If you're just working on battle BGM or music replacement, follow the documentation linked on the mod page. If you're working on events, no, ask me about that

[whole hedge]

im not sure this is the place for this, but ive noticed the documentation for costume framework suggests using already-processed adxs for battle themes audio, while battle themes itself recommends hca and using premade adxs didnt work for me

[deft cipher]

@tacit python my apologies for pinging you in here, but I couldn't find a thread for the p4g music enhancement pack. I'd like to report a bug. the persona q battle music for golden hands doesn't seem to be triggering in rise's dungeon, whether that's from bonking a shadow in the overworld or it appearing by surprise in chest.

attached is rise's dungeon (time to make history) and yukiko's castle (light the fire up in the night), both in the same gaming session.

Treasure Hand I think

thx. should I move this over to the bgme presets thread then? though that looks more like a release thread

thanks kindly!

[zinc patio]

that visual mod looks familiar 🤔 I wonder who could've made that

looks like that would be encounter 177 according to amicitia

well, there's the issue :p

should be a very easy fix

[rigid snow]

P5R: Battle BGM plays seamlessly into AOA if AOA starts within 1 second of hold up.
P5R: Fix Life Will Change being interrupted during heists.
P5R: Fix holdup music never playing.
P5R: Fix victory disable not working.
P4G: Add missing hand battles.
P4G: Fix victory disable not working.

https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME/releases/tag/2.2.5
it'll be posted tonight so uh, a test or two would be helpful before i break anyone's mods (p5r especially)

[boreal fulcrum]

damn, I'm touching grass right now, I can test later but you'll probably have released it by then

[zinc patio]

i'm not touching grass so i'll test this a bit

[zinc patio]

all the P5R changes seem to work

I don't remember how hold up music works when life will change is playing

but in this, it continues even during negotiations

if that's intended behavior, yay (I just don't remember)

[boreal fulcrum]

LWC is never supposed to be interrupted by anything

[rigid snow]

sounds release ready to me

[zinc patio]

well, sounds like it works as intended then

didn't test the P4G changes but also I can't imagine any of those changes would break anything important

[zinc patio]

does BGME have any support for palace specific battle music? I'm not familiar enough with P5R encounters to know whether they share encounters between dungeons and Mementos or not but I didn't see it being mentioned in the documentation... just P4G dungeons and P3P Tartarus floors

[rigid snow]

https://t-poseratkechi.github.io/PersonaMusicScript/docs/collections base p5 palaces only i think

[zinc patio]

ooooo cool I missed that. thank you

[rigid snow]

Ryo for P5R: https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/Ryo/releases
BGME with Ryo: https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME/releases

also you can "replace" cues in voice_singleword now

couple months late for that one person who was looking for that though 😔

[boreal fulcrum]

I definitely know someone who wanted to replace stuff in singleword

[crisp barn]

I've been meaning to get back to MDMP3 so this looks like a good opportunity.

[rigid snow]

why is p4g so weird with its audio man the older p3p and newer p5r/p3r were fairly straight forward p4g is just "nope, that doesn't work here"

[boreal fulcrum]

"oops we gave people what they've been begging for and it was overwhelmingly successful"

hate it when that happens

[somber cape]

The vita was built different fr

[boreal fulcrum]

dont worry, the Switch versions of P3P/P4G are more cursed

[boreal fulcrum]

[zinc patio]

they really opened the flood gates too lol

[boreal fulcrum]

every time i add ryo as a dependency to a p5r mod the game just wont boot lmao

[rigid snow]

can you send a small mod that causes the issue?

mod + mod dependency seems to work fine for me, like the voice_singleword example mod

[boreal fulcrum]

weird, if i add it as a dependency to custom bonus tweaks it explodes like this lmao

ill make a smaller mod and check

[boreal fulcrum]

it works if i separate the files into another mod

[zinc patio]

CBT really earning its name huh /j

[boreal fulcrum]

well, good news is you can use ryo to "replace" cue IDs that don't exist

bad news is whatever changed in bgme is now making all the music whack lol

[rigid snow]

whack how 🤔

bgme has technically played new bgm through ryo's method for a good while (in p5r); ryo's original code came from bgme

[boreal fulcrum]

well a lot of bgm now is very out of sorts

for example, in the dummy field, I play a bgm through the flowscript command, an existing bgm at that

now it plays one of the new bgm i had added, somehow

and also for the costumes the victory themes are just omega gone lol

931 should be the third semester theme lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M3y2jU4dJM

[rigid snow]

can you enable debug logging for bgme and ryo, get one of the broken songs to play, and send the logs?

[boreal fulcrum]

this happens without the ryo mod so its definitely something on bgme end

oh

oh my god lmao

[rigid snow]

i do remove 10k from "new" bgm ids since the offset isn't necessary anymore but it should checking if it's >10k in the first place. idk why it would affect

[boreal fulcrum]

did bgme stop adding-

there's the problem then lmfao

wait, how did the dlc battle theme work but not the victory theme then

[rigid snow]

lol, so i guess there's conflicting ids

[rigid snow]

was the dlc battle theme id > 1000? anything below that would conflict with existing music i think

[boreal fulcrum]

all of them have always been 10k + id

manually renaming all of the bgm files in the awb folder fixed the victory theme but now the battle theme doesnt work

[rigid snow]

sure but > 1000 after removing the 10k offset i mean, which yeah seems like it. oof, this is gonna be annoying to fix lol

[boreal fulcrum]

for battle it played 801 and not 10801 lol

so on that end it was wrong

[rigid snow]

yeh, before the game would "play" the big id then i'd remove 10k offset when setting the correct audio. now i remove it before playing it, which is causing issues

[boreal fulcrum]

should probably just not remove it at all then lol

not having the 10k on the filename already causes "issues"

[boreal fulcrum]

like this

[rigid snow]

i think i'll have to add the audio individually with an adjusted cue id to ryo.

should probably just not remove it at all then lol
i can't really do that since the ids for BGM_42.AWB aren't adjusted to "exist" with the existing BGM ones; you'd have to add 10k to the file names

[boreal fulcrum]

thats what I had to do, yes

because it worked fine before

but now the ids can conflict with existing ones

[boreal fulcrum]

which can end up causing this

[rigid snow]

yeah rip. i think i can fix it by manually adding BGM_42 files with an adjusted Cue ID, i'll try to do that later today

[rigid snow]

p4ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

i figured out why new bgm volume was broken but i cannot for the life of me figure out why some sfx stops new bgm, and sometimes only when multiple sfx are played at once

[boreal fulcrum]

wrong category maybe?

[zinc patio]

p4g moment </3

[rigid snow]

i've tested with correct categories and no categories. correct categories plays it like BGM should (limited to 1, responds to BGM volume setting), none causes overlap with existing BGM. I even completely replace the function used to play audio for new BGM specifically. Some SFX still stops new BGM

[boreal fulcrum]

[rigid snow]

it almost feels like it's hitting a limit for max audio playing at once. it'll cut out when hitting multiple weaknesses, vorpal blade, and normal attack crit

but SFX doesn't play on the same player as BGM it's so confusing 😭

[boreal fulcrum]

that is weird

looking at the acb, it uses stream_bgm which is 6

and even other stuff in that acb uses different ones

like stream_env and stream_se

I think the "main" issue here is that a lot of things are AWB with no accompanying ACB

that could be whats causing so much jank

[rigid snow]

i wondered the same thing but then normal attack crit SFXs are part of a comse acb/awb. like here, the last one is the final crit SFX which stops the BGM

it doesn't share any categories with bgm, BGM uses player 0 it's very

[boreal fulcrum]

what if you're hitting some unused failsafe that's sending a stop command to the bgm?

[rigid snow]

possible, though i did set a breakpoint on Player_Stop and didn't seem to get used BGM is stopped in battle

and i didn't find a function in the lib for stopping with the playback id

I just blocked 20210 from snd04_comse (final crit SFX) and the music didn't break

[rigid snow]

it actually plays during all attacks and blocking it seems to have fixed all muting 💀

[rigid snow]

ahhhhhhhhhhh it's finally fixed aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 😭 i think some battle sfx affect bgm volume maybe idr. adding a time limit to it finally fixed muting properly

[boreal fulcrum]

lol, is the fix p4g only? i can't imagine itd sound good on other games

[zinc patio]

that makes sense for voice clips but that's kinda funny that it's potentially a thing for battle sfx too

[rigid snow]

yeah it's p4g only. honestly it's hard to notice tbh, "battle sfx" in this case means like player/enemy grunts and attack sfx and it only affects when the game spams them

[rigid snow]

btw has anyone ever look into why some of rise's unvoiced nav stuff lowers bgm for no reason?

[zinc patio]

I don't think anyone has

sounds kinda like the way character lines in dungeons lower the BGM because they don't have voiced lines in English though lol

[tacit ridge]

Script stuff

Sierra made a mod to fix this on 32bit iirc

[zinc patio]

this mod? or something else? https://gamebanana.com/mods/359705

[tacit ridge]

believe so

[rigid snow]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-duck-dance-subaru-subaru-duck-dance-hey-ya-gif-21217404

Install or update the following:
BGME: https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME/releases
Ryo: https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/Ryo/releases
BGME Battle Themes: https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME.BattleThemes/releases, ok now i sleep

• P4G BGM HAS BEEN BEATEN! No longer are we chained to snd00_bgm like savages
• All settings can be set per file, allowing for files in Cue Folders to have their own settings like volume.
• Legacy BGM from old methods is now supported through Ryo.
• It's possible to add files to existing cues by setting the SharedContainerId in the AudioConfig in code or shared_container_id in the YAML. Recommend to be the mod name.
• New BGM can be added through MOD_FOLDER/BGME/(P5R or P4G)/FILES_HERE, as well as the old locations.
  @boreal fulcrum @zinc patio @tacit python @echo shadow @tall ether
  I strongly recommend testing your mods; they should work as is without changes. I used your mods for my own testing to see if things were working but it wasn't in-depth. Especially for P4G event BGM.

[echo shadow]

Sure I will

[slim lintel]

Do any of the changes affect P3R?

[echo shadow]

ya according to me

[zinc patio]

BIG DAY

so current mods should work as is without changes? even if they might have conflicting song IDs?

man I haven't kept up with all the new stuff from P3R like the config files or cues and stuff 😅 I'm sure I will have questions that may or may not have already been answered lol

is there a new file naming convention I should be aware of if using the current method for P4?

[boreal fulcrum]

briefly tested in p5r, didn't see any issues now with the bgme and 10k ID stuff

however testing Ryo now on smtvv and its not working for me lol

inb4 case sensitive folder name or some such, i'll look into it more, could be some sort of skill issue on my end

(although i havent changed anything and this worked before)

[upper siren]

like astro said they technically do, but a user shouldn't notice a difference hopefully

[boreal fulcrum]

oh yeah btw i noticed what's up with smtvv, it needs the new signatures after the cuesheet changes lol, I'll grab them later

[upper siren]

if they have conflicting IDs it'll be determined by mod order like you'd expect. for bgm, in most of the persona games, you dont have to worry about configs; everything is handled automatically because bgm is the most important audio 🙂
In games that use Cue Name you'll have to use that, but any game besides that (like the non-UE persona games) uses the same naming method has AWB Emu: 123.hca or with extra text 123_main_menu.hca.
The main difference is going forward to use the new locations in MOD_FOLDER/BGME/(P5R or P4G)/ since the old locations keep their limits and quirks

[upper siren]

cuesheet changes; there was an update?

[zinc patio]

in theory, would P4G events be able to use higher IDs?

I'm sorry I'm so sleepy rn ignore the old message

[boreal fulcrum]

that thing about grabbing the ACB name from the handle or whatever

[zinc patio]

idk if you tested that at all but if not I might test it because it would be nice to have IDs set strictly to AME

[upper siren]

yep, there's no limit now. you could start at 69420 if you'd like

lol

[zinc patio]

I think I'm limited to 65535 by the PM2/3 haha

but nice, I'll test it out... sometime

[upper siren]

oh right, two bytes rip

[zinc patio]

so I in fact cannot start at 69420 lol

[upper siren]

that's the way i'll use going forward, but the ue games use the UE function thing that loads it. the ACB is named in your log so they're still being registered

i rewrote how ryo registered audio i'll see if i forgot the cue folder code...

[boreal fulcrum]

lmao

it used to work and now it doesnt

so i just assumed that was the culprit, since I never tested after that and instead went on testing it in other non ue4 games

(btw i opened a PR with the signatures I had)

[upper siren]

thanks, it's still better to use that over the ue function

[boreal fulcrum]

yeah i'll check in a bit when i get back on pc

i bet if i just add those signatures itll work again

since this is going through the proper criware functionality

which i imagine is the same regardless of where its used

(because ue4 stuff is usually just a "wrapper")

[tacit ridge]

unless im stupid seems to work in p4g

made tv world buddy holly and it worked

[upper siren]

oh i didn't mention it, but p5r now properly supports hca (for Ryo audio). I think it worked fine through FEmu but it'd throw out a warning message?

[zinc patio]

that's cool. does it need to be encrypted?

[upper siren]

yeh, p5r's is encrypted

battle themes now uses it for p5r's music though, so hurray for file size decrease

[zinc patio]

yayyyy

[boreal fulcrum]

very weird, adding these 2 didn't fix smtvv

            criAtomExAcb_LoadAcbFile = "48 8B C4 48 89 58 ?? 48 89 68 ?? 48 89 70 ?? 48 89 78 ?? 41 54 41 56 41 57 48 83 EC 40 49 8B E9",
            criAtomExAcb_LoadAcbData = "48 89 5C 24 ?? 48 89 6C 24 ?? 48 89 74 24 ?? 57 41 54 41 55 41 56 41 57 48 83 EC 50 33 F6",```

[upper siren]

i looked at the code (https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/Ryo/blob/6ebfbf7672beeb5e11b068848a40c4979d3ef384/Ryo.Reloaded/Audio/AudioRegistry.cs#L115) and it should probably be working. can you send the log after loading in-game, maybe it's not being registered correctly

[boreal fulcrum]

sure

[upper siren]

i'll test it in p5r in a bit

[boreal fulcrum]

i checked in the yakuza games again to be sure and it still works there

so its not like it stopped working on anything

just smtvv specifically for some reason?

[upper siren]

wait cue folder work in yakuza?

[boreal fulcrum]

oh i didnt test folder

just normal cue

[upper siren]

if so that's really strange. i checked the code for the ue hooks and smtvv's is still there, so i didn't accidentally remove it when i cleaned up the code

ah

[boreal fulcrum]

is the cue folder code game specific?

[upper siren]

naw, it happens in AudioRegistry. i reworked it a bit from smtvv's update since it had duplicate code but ig it broke it

[boreal fulcrum]

ah

lemme check cue folder on yakuza real quick

still works on yakuza

so yeah, just smtvv specifically lol

[upper siren]

ehhhhhhhhhhhh

nani the fuck

[boreal fulcrum]

yeah lol

did this to test

and it still worked

[upper siren]

hey so the logs say your cue folder is named todo lol

[boreal fulcrum]

ignore that one!

the game is just playing the original bgm

[upper siren]

it assigned to the wrong cue, for some reason it dropped _main

[boreal fulcrum]

this log has less "polution" and i closed the game after bgm played

[boreal fulcrum]

so, here's the funny part

i had the opposite issue at first

i thought it was bgm_b01 at first

but then ryo log said it played _main

so i added main and then it worked

lemme remove _main now and see then

because afaik the game should just be playing bgm_b01

hmm nope

[INF] SetCue || Player: 6 || ACB: BGM || Cue: BGM_B01_main```

no idea whats happening then

[upper siren]

it should be noted that config settings are super recursive, with file specific configs having highest priority. folder configs settings apply to any sub-folders and files, so careful to not set ACB/Cue name in a higher level

[boreal fulcrum]

well I guess I can remake the config since I know most of the info on it isnt needed now

[upper siren]

and since you're using ACB and Cue folders, it'll set those for you without a yaml

[boreal fulcrum]

oh wait I know what mightve been the issue

file specific yaml didnt work before in cue folder

so its possible old one was malformed lol

[upper siren]

yeah you can clear everything besides volume i think. maybe keep sample rate but criware seems to play it fine even if wrong

[boreal fulcrum]

alright

lets see

yeah it works now

although i dont know then if the 2 signatures i got are needed or not

[boreal fulcrum]

I guess its better to add them and have them turn out not needed

[upper siren]

yeh, though ue i think doesnt use loadacbfile i'd prefer to move ue games to loadacbdata. i had to make a custom hook for smtvv's since its different from p3r 😭

[boreal fulcrum]

f

[upper siren]

the characters dance to the music? lol

[somber cape]

Nah that's just her idle animation

[boreal fulcrum]

that's just idun

she's a little silly

[zinc patio]

old mods seem to work fine as far as i can tell (p4g) - i did some testing with events and random battle themes

[zinc patio]

is using bgme configs for sfx possible? p4g has a few songs (mainly shop themes) that are treated as sfx so...

also seems like with P4G, cut-in SFX is missing and there's no Ryo line for it in the log like there are with the other SFX. that's all I've noticed so far but that has me a little worried about other potential missing sfx

[rigid snow]

technically it should be but i kind of took a shortcut in some code so it might not work until i rewrite it properly

[rigid snow]

turn on verbose mode for bgme, is it being limited as battle sfx? there's nothing i can do about it in that case since limiting is 100% required afaik

[zinc patio]

I'll check but that's unfortunate if true 😔

its OVER 😔

[rigid snow]

Ryo: https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/Ryo/releases
BGME: https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME/releases

• Added support for data and file replacement.
• Randomization adjust to not play the same thing twice. @boreal fulcrum
• playback_mode added to config, with options: random and sequential
• P3P: COMSE and BSE replacement

I've already taken the liberty of fixing the P3P sfx

[zinc patio]

what's the fixed P3P SFX bit about?

[tacit ridge]

comse and bse are inside bins

so if you replace now with ryo it wont omega die, which enables merging id guess

[rigid snow]

^ and now sfx can be crisp HCA

and everything else too ig now

[zinc patio]

inch resting
I'll have to test it out later but I wonder if this fixes P3P's shit audio lol

[tall ether]

does that mean we can have init.bin merging now 🥹

gave up on a mod because of the lack of it

are the sound files in p3p sfx changed

sounds the same as always

oh

it is what it says on the tin, don't know what i expected

what a fool i was to think "p3p.improvedsfx" would have improved sfx

oh wait what

you can put multiple files in vag files now?

i can finally port i need your halp

am i able to just skip that though @rigid snow

like can i take the comse.pak and bse.pak from P3P QOL Collection here

because i don't think there are any tools out now that can open the multi sound vag files from P3P 2023

[rigid snow]

idk what you mean, it's clearly been improved

[tall ether]

or do i have to manually extract every single vag file from the .pak files

[rigid snow]

i considered explaining it but it was a bit complicated. if you want to have multiple files playing for a single .vag then yes you'll have unpack every file and place like in the example mod

but only ryo supported formats, such as hca and adx

[tall ether]

oh sorry i don't think i was clear

i wanna take these files from HD Sound FX

and slap em into ryo so we can have init.bin merging

can i just take the comse.pak and bse.pak files, or do i need to take every vag file out and put em inside of the comse.pak / bse.pak folder

or would neither work because you just said supported formats

[rigid snow]

the latter, and in hca format.

[tall ether]

damn

i do not have my hands on those files in that format

[rigid snow]

there's no file redirection/emulation stuff, bgme is manually playing different audio if a mod has included it

[tall ether]

shame

[rigid snow]

i think i can support PCM pretty easily

it's just that i think the ext for that can literally be anything lol

[tall ether]

yeah it'd be nice if we could just take what we have already

im gonna try to port i need your halp real quick lol

so the whole file format just follows the merging path like reloaded?

so file.ryo/model/pack/bc006_c1.pac/whatever else there is/file.hca?

[rigid snow]

uh essentially kind of, but it's not a general solution. for example the code in bgme is specifically for comse/bse, other files would need their own specific code

the problem is the game doesn't play them as files, it loads their data so there's no name associated to it :/

[tall ether]

damn 😔

P3P sucks balls man

why do i even mod this game

[rigid snow]

you do it for her

[tall ether]

i was gonna say for him and send a theo emote but we have none

good thing we have this though

just essential

[rigid snow]

we do actually

[outer depot]

[rigid snow]

the popcorn is theo iirc

[rigid snow]

https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/Ryo/releases/tag/1.9.1 vag supported

[tall ether]

that was fast gaw damn

is the yaml i just deleted essential too lol

or was that there so you'd get hit with a mental flashbang when the first vag file played

[rigid snow]

i think that just the play mode to sequential instead of random

[tall ether]

i think i set the pathing up wrong

sounds the same

needs to be init.bin instead of file.ryo yeah?

yeah definitely needs to be init.bin, renamed and it sounds better

crazy that i can just rename the folder and leave the game open

nope nevermind that's wrong

yeah not entirely sure what's up with it but doesn't seem like it's playing the HQ sound files

either that or i just can't tell

[rigid snow]

oh let me check something

my mod had them under a folder with the original file name, im guessing yours are just loose

[zinc patio]

wdym it's clearly improved

[tacit ridge]

no sfx is improved

[rigid snow]

https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/Ryo/releases

[tall ether]

testing now

that works!

aoa doesn't sound like a jumbled compressed mess

[rigid snow]

hmm, are you sure it works? i had to move it out init.bin and it's just muted 😔

[tall ether]

it sounded better to me.....

[rigid snow]

placebo affect goes hard 🔥

[tall ether]

truly

so true

so the path wouldn't be init.bin?

shouldn't it work with any path for extra stuff like battle model voice lines?

[rigid snow]

uh essentially kind of, but it's not a general solution. for example the code in bgme is specifically for comse/bse, other files would need their own specific code

the game is actually playing data in memory, not files. for comse/bse, i added code to work out file it is trying to play, see if it exists in ryo, then play it through there instead

[tall ether]

oh right you did say that, sorry

i'm juggling a few things at once and not paying enough attention

[rigid snow]

np, it found a bug at least lol

[rigid snow]

p3p audio stuff so cursed lmao. vag files are not supported playing as files, and playing as data wont play correctly probably because it needs some decoder function

which might be why replacing with other stuff affected it

if you want to replace them it's better to batch convert to hca 😔

[tall ether]

sad

but no worries, we know now

[tacit ridge]

export from vag to wav in batch with foobar then use monke2 to batch convert to hca

problem solved

[rigid snow]

so atlus apparently made a system to play audio by cue id, that actually just gets the cue data that it then plays by cue name

instead of... just playing by cue id

[boreal fulcrum]

10/10

[slim lintel]

not sure if it's Ryo or BGME, but I've been having issues with SFX cutting off suddenly.
This happens when ranking up a social link and defeating enemies with AOA

[rigid snow]

what game 🤔 ?

[slim lintel]

Reload!

can capture some footage quickly to show what I mean

[zinc patio]

is it consistently reproducible?

[slim lintel]

I just play as normal until a social link rank up/AOA defeat screen happens

[zinc patio]

can't hurt to have someone else test it

[slim lintel]

https://streamable.com/kn8wf8

[slim lintel]

@zinc patio@rigid snow video footage of what's happening

[rigid snow]

yeah so like i haven't really played the game lol

what's the timestamp of the issue

[slim lintel]

Exactly 1:00

[zinc patio]

persona modder moment

that's certainly new behavior

that did not happen when I was playing with BGME previously 🤔

[rigid snow]

What's the original vs new?

[zinc patio]

the music shouldn't cut off with the s.link max rank screen, it should play all the way through that screen

[rigid snow]

is the music being replaced in the clip

s link music needs another category iirc

if it isn't being replaced, then ryo should just be ignoring it

[slim lintel]

it is not

same thing for the other scenarios I mentioned

[zinc patio]

when were you planning to release that new update of BGME with Ryo?

[rigid snow]

not sure why ryo would affect it then, it'd be running the original code . Does it still happen without any mods enabled?

[rigid snow]

soon, i think i finished updating bgme and battle themes so it's basically done

[slim lintel]

I disabled BGME Framework for P3R, booted the game and it still happened

Checked the logs and it was still doing calls BGME

So did I disable the wrong one?

[rigid snow]

You have to launch the game without reloaded, through steam

Or if gamepass then you have to delete the .asi file it added to the game install folder

Or disable every music mod, reloaded auto enables any mods required by other mods

[slim lintel]

I'll try it when I get back home then

strange thing is, it didn't happened until recently

I wonder if it could do with the new release of BGME

since I updated that a couple of days ago

[rigid snow]

It's confusing if BGME or Ryo is the cause. Both only had code for new audio, hence me asking if it was replaced. Anything else just ran normal game code.
The BGME update in particular actually removed the code for new audio, since Ryo handles that now

[slim lintel]

I am 100% sure I haven't replaced that song though

And it happenening for a SFX too is strange

[slim lintel]

tried it now without mods, works fine

@rigid snow

[slim lintel]

Disabled all music related mods and it worked

Now it works without issue with my mods...

[rigid snow]

[zinc patio]

we love issues fixing themselves 😭

[rigid snow]

me earlier today lmao

[rigid snow]

hooray for no more setting category stuff manually

[boreal fulcrum]

oh nice

[rigid snow]

@red galleon
Ryo: https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/Ryo/releases/tag/1.10.0
BGME, if you have mods using it: https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME/releases/tag/3.2.2
Changes:

• Sound categories are fetched automatically (for Persona games)
• Cues can be replaced either by Cue ID or Cue Name (for Persona games)

[red galleon]

oooo

lemme grab those then

I think some of the mods i'm using require it but i'm pretty sure they have no reason to funny enough

[boreal fulcrum]

so, what happens now if you explicitly specify a sound category?

I ask because obv if you're calling cue IDs that don't exist (which are possible to make fully functional with Ryo), then, naturally, no info for it exists

[rigid snow]

You can still set categories, and is a requirement for new audio like BGME's bgm (hence the update), it's just no longer a requirement or default to have any

[boreal fulcrum]

nice

[rigid snow]

If categories are set, they'll be used, else it'll get them through code (for replacements)

[boreal fulcrum]

nice nice, very epic

will make it easier to add support for other games down the line then

no more need to dig through ACF lmao

Metaphor seems like its using GFD so I'll definitely look into adding support for that when it comes out

[rigid snow]

yeh, though the game needs the pattern for criAtomExAcb_GetCueInfoById and/or criAtomExAcb_GetCueInfoByName for it to work

I added them for the persona games, and i'll probably do smtv but i can't do it for the yakuza games since i don't own them

[boreal fulcrum]

oh that should be easy to find

most of them use similar patterns

sometimes denuvo trolls but otherwise its mostly easy

in fact I can do it now

shouldnt take more than 15mins I'd wager

(assuming i dont get denuvo trolled again)

[rigid snow]

you've jinxed yourself, prepare to be den🅱️ o'd

[boreal fulcrum]

oh right i have to open 2 ghidras because p5r is analyzed in old one and upgrading a denuvo analysis takes like 4 full days

well 2 games already have the same sig

oh wait i only added 3, right, because I was too lazy to redownload yakuza 7

2 sigs across 3 games, not bad

actually no, its identical for all 3

lmao

idk if this is worth a PR over, so, here, put this in CriAtomExPatterns

actually ill just send the whole cs file so you can replace, since I cloned/pulled the repo just now

this adds criAtomExAcb_GetCueInfoById to the 3 yakuza games I had added support for

and yes I checked that it worked

i had categories 11 and 14 in the default because i wasnt sure if 14 was involved or not, but good to know 11 was right

@rigid snow actually while I'm here I can update SMTVV too, do you have a screenshot of what criAtomExAcb_GetCueInfoByName looks like in p3r? (I do not have that analyzed lol)

[boreal fulcrum]

gotcha

well, getcueinfobycuename ended up with the exact same signature except with a wildcard at the end (lol)

the smtvv ones were identical to the p3r ones except the first one generated with an extra wildcard at the end i guess?

lmao

[rigid snow]

added

[rigid snow]

idk how useful it is, but ryo now supports replacing/redirecting playing audio just from AWBs (as opposed to the usual ACB and Cue stuff). i've only seen it be used for rise's lines in p4g lol

[boreal fulcrum]

I think P4G is one of the rare few games that have just random standalone AWBs

[tall ether]

can't forget the random acb files for skills

[boreal fulcrum]

if its a standalone ACB then its just embedded audio

[rigid snow]

took, uh, a few months lol. got a working proof of concept, though where it swaps between an regular/instrumental version in/out of battle

[opal spear]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I LOVE YOU RENAAAAAAAAA

TIME TO DO A CALIGULA OVERHAUL MOD

https://tenor.com/view/hug-anime-gif-22789843

[rigid snow]

Ryo: https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/Ryo/releases/tag/1.11.2
BGME: https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME/releases/tag/3.3.1
For anyone that wants to try it out. In P4G, head to Heaven and it'll swap between an instrumental/normal version of the song at it's current place.

[opal spear]

Infinite potential I loooove itttttttt

[rigid snow]

https://tenor.com/view/oozora-subaru-hololive-yes-i-approb-yes-thumbs-up-gif-20407959

hopefully i can figure something out to transition more nicely. though i think it might be kind of limited without being able to edit the game files

[boreal fulcrum]

congratulations on your-

[rigid snow]

"wait why is there no categories on this bgm cue- nononnononono"
link cues don't have to contain category info

freaking link cue aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[boreal fulcrum]

well, for what its worth ive only seen p5r pull that nonsense

btw, I don't know if you knew this or not, but it seems multiple ACB can be in the same player

just saw that in yakuza

[tacit ridge]

jjk does too 💀

[boreal fulcrum]

@rigid snow btw, if I may ask, can you replace the player id in the logging with the category id?

the player ID is different every game boot, so that information is not really useful

but having the category id in the logging would help when adding new cue ids to that acb, and you'd know from that what category to assign

[rigid snow]

the bgm player never changes

[boreal fulcrum]

but the others do lol

[rigid snow]

and category is listed, enable dev mode and and switch to debug logs

[boreal fulcrum]

i had it set to verbose

no category

[rigid snow]

might need to update

[boreal fulcrum]

unless it was added-

damn

cus i was only seeing the categories on replaced sounds lol

but good to know its there

[boreal fulcrum]

in Yakuza all of the karaoke stuff is in a singular player, this includes the instrumental track, the vocal/singing track, and then all the cheers, all in the same player, and i noticed its different every game boot

so one time it was 40, then i rebooted the game and the player is now 35, etc

[rigid snow]

is yakuza ue or non-ue?

[boreal fulcrum]

non ue

[rigid snow]

in p3r, players are spun up all the time

rip, maybe they've got a similar system

p5r and p4g seem to do it on boot only

[boreal fulcrum]

maybe its the case of players being requested as needed

since there's so many different types of sounds/acb in these games

anyway, since you added replacement through both cue id and cue name, does cue name work as a replacement for games that dont use it?

i guess more specifically, games that call audio via cue id (like p5r)

[rigid snow]

yep, for any game that has the GetCueInfoBy(Method used to call cues) pattern

[boreal fulcrum]

so what im hearing is i should find the cuename function then

since i only got the cue id one for a lot of em

the easiest way to check an acb/awb is with vgmstream in foobar and that displays the cue name

so its way easier to go off of that for replacements than cue id

since for cue id you have to bust out the criware sdk tools

🤠

[rigid snow]

You need to find the GetCueInfoBy method for the method it uses to set cues, so for Yakuza it'd be criAtomExAcb_GetCueInfoById because it uses SetCueId

[boreal fulcrum]

ah, gotcha

so its GetCueInfoBy and then whatever the game originall uses

so in most cases its just Id then

since as far as I know only UE4 and Unity games use Cue Names

[rigid snow]

yeh

[opal spear]

Even without any fancy crossfade or anything. As long as the gap of silence can be fixed. Then I'd say it works

[boreal fulcrum]

i cant believe you would lie to me like this

like i said before

the category is not shown UNLESS the audio was replaced

[rigid snow]

ive got bad news for you then

those cues dont have cats

[boreal fulcrum]

do they really just do that

lmao

[rigid snow]

same as p3r ig

they play the link cue, which has no cats, then then plays the cue that has cats

[boreal fulcrum]

but like

they DO have categories

this one is category 11, I know that for a fact

[rigid snow]

That might be from the default you set I think

[boreal fulcrum]

unless this is the link cue nonsense

in which case

i will proceed to die

[rigid snow]

If no cats are set in the config, it'll get it from the game, but if there's none there either than rip

[rigid snow]

oh you mean you checked? and GetCueInfoById was found?

[boreal fulcrum]

its been there

for example, this didnt print a category

and i know from the acf every character has their own category (for some reason)

[boreal fulcrum]

THEY ACTUALLY JUST DONT USE THE CATEGORIES

[rigid snow]

LOL

[tacit ridge]

[boreal fulcrum]

btw, did you change how Ryo handled volume?

the yakuza audio replacements are all just insanely loud now using latest version

[rigid snow]

ryo uses the first category to control volume, and i removed the default cats from yakuza

cuz you know

i assumed they'd use their categories

[boreal fulcrum]

this is so sad

APPARENTLY THEY DONT

I went through like 5mins of gameplay

[zinc patio]

I checked this thread and was really confused bc I thought you guys were talking about like, actual cats for a second

[boreal fulcrum]

triggering every audio call possible

then i go to log and ctrl+f category

not a single hit outside of the sigscans

absolute insanity

"categories are a social construct" - SEGA, probably

[rigid snow]

the minds of game devs are truly an enigma

[boreal fulcrum]

i keep checking random acb

NOTHING has a category (so far)

why do they even have like 20 categories then

[rigid snow]

they forgor

https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/Ryo/releases

[boreal fulcrum]

absolutely insane

anyway i think its fine leaving it without categories

if they dont use categories then that's that lmao

[whole hedge]

smh non cat owners

[rigid snow]

no you're lucky, you get free volume controllers lol

[boreal fulcrum]

lol

you say that

but

all the categories just have volume set to 1

I think they genuinely just made these and immediately forgot about them

you can leave the default category there, not gonna make you remove it after just having readded them

but they are pretty much useless lmfao

[rigid snow]

yeah that'd be nice for the other games 😔 i change the category's volume programmatically, but i have to reset it every use incase the game's bgm uses it too

[boreal fulcrum]

because im pretty sure 1 is just default volume anyway

I wonder if its possible to add a category at runtime

id imagine itd be easier to handle ryo like that if you could just create a category at runtime for every replacement if they dont exist

[rigid snow]

that's what i was hoping to do, but it seems like it directly accesses category data by index in memory

[boreal fulcrum]

oof

[rigid snow]

instead of using the function that gets that info and returns an object

big sad

[idle silo]

Hi, I'm using this mod and Some Holdup Music for p5r and Some Holdup Music doesn't appear to work- the song continues playing even when entering negotiations- I read in the gamebanana page for Some Holdup Music that this was update was supposed to fix that but i've only started using those mods after this update. Reloaded 2 is listing the config as "Initiate" so it should be working. I can provide a full mod list/logging if required to help figure this out, if this isn't a known issue 🙂

[rigid snow]

Try moving some holdup below bgme framework?

[idle silo]

I’ll try this, thanks. Off the top of my head I also have CBT and two bgme using music randomisation mods installed which could be messing with it as well, is there a recommended load order for using these?

[rigid snow]

the main thing is that some holdup bgm needs to load last, since it relies on catching when the game plays that song

[idle silo]

I figured that’d be the case so I thought I put it last in the order but I’ll check again! Thanks

[idle silo]

Hi, tried this, still not working correctly, the battle music continues to play and the game never seems to transition into the hold up music when beginning interrogation

Please let me know if you need a modlist/load order or logging to resolve this

[slim lintel]

false alarm

I presume?

[echo shadow]

Just make sure you downloaded it from the right place

And you should be fine

[slim lintel]

downloaded from the github