Enemy skills in AI script? + Where are item drops set? | Persona Modding | Page 1

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 7:46 AM

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So I think I have the general gist of editing their stats, EXP & cash yield, etc. Few things I'd like cleared up before I start mucking about and making real edits, though.

I remember reading in another post from some time ago that the actual skills an enemy will use are controlled by their AI script? Where can I find these scripts? And if that's the case, what does their skill list in unit.tbl do? Is it just for the analysis screen? If you set passives here, will they take effect?
Where are item drops set? I can't seem to find any field related to that in the enemy list and have no idea where else that might be.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 8:15 AM

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Enemy AI using scripts is actually something that you can choose to have on or not

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in ELSAI.tbl if you set the AI ID to a number aside from 0 it uses scripts

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those scripts being found in "battle\script\enemy"

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if its 0 then it uses the default ai which does use the skills in unit.tbl

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 8:19 AM

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Does it just select randomly in that case?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 8:20 AM

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im unsure if its totally random or if it atleast trys to hit weaknesses

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but its what 99% of standard enemies in p5 use

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 8:47 AM

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Do passives still work for enemies?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 8:50 AM

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should do, some bosses in the vanilla game have them from memory

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 9:26 AM

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The skills used by enemies are controlled by either AI Script or by "simple AI scripts" (because I don't know what to call them), located in second segment of ELSAI. These "simple ai scripts" are in u32 struct below AI ID, and refer to IDs in second segment.
That means that the enemy doesn't actually use any active skills specified in UNIT.TBL. Passives do work though

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Regarding instructions in second segment of ELSAI, they aren't documented yet (afaik), though sometimes (not always) they have an obvious skill id you can edit.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 9:41 AM

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damn i was way off on the default ai stuff

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 10:08 AM

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Could I give an enemy that doesn't have one a full AI script?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 10:11 AM

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I believe so

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 10:13 AM

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Assuming I have the script on hand, do you know how I'd set a particular enemy to use it?

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nvm I figured it out

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 11:08 AM

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Alright, I created a custom AI script for Pyro Jack and managed to get it working in game so I'll call that question answered. That still leaves the question of item drops, though. Anybody got an answer for that?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 12:12 PM

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Did you create a completely new custom script, that didn't exist before, in new file?

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I wondered if that would work

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 12:18 PM

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Yeah.

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Right now I'm dissecting AI script 330 (Archangel miniboss) to see if I can figure out what more of these functions do, and for the most part I've maybe sort of got a rough idea of a lot of what's in here, but I'll admit I have no earthly idea what AI_CHK_MYHOJO() does. What is a HOJO?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 12:24 PM

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No idea. It has plenty of weird functions like that

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 12:25 PM

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Looking at it did allow me to refine that Pyro Jack script some more though, so that's neat I guess.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 12:26 PM

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Passives do work though

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 12:26 PM

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That's good to know.

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I'll still update the table so it's accurate for scans I suppose.

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I wonder if "X Master" and "Auto X" skills work for them. If boosts work idk why they wouldn't?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 12:27 PM

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I asked that before and chat said yes, but didn't test yet

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 12:29 PM

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Things to keep in mind for when I'm in a design doc. Right now I'm just trying to get a feel for how the system works and what kinds of resources I have to work with with regards to making enemies slightly more intelligent than a box of rocks.

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idk when enemies have more powerful moves available and just use Attack instead that seems pretty dumb to me.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 12:36 PM

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They conserve SP

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Obviously

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Persona AI 😄

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 12:43 PM

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rose valley Right now I'm dissecting AI script 330 (Archangel miniboss) to see if I can figu...

hojo functions are to do with stat buffs like atk/def/ev up and down

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i have notes somewhere on it i will try and find them

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rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 12:47 PM

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Actually does anyone here remember the mechanics of that fight? Because I know he does something like Wait -> Charge -> Cleave most of the time but also does some other weird things like the occasional Vajra Blast?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 12:48 PM

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basically if the ai does AI_CHK_MYHOJO(4) it returns 1 if it has accuracy/evasion up or 0 if it dosent and so on for the other ones

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 12:49 PM

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So what is it checking for with a parameter of 0x0100? Because that’s what I’m looking at.

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if ( AI_CHK_MYHOJO( 0x0100 ) == 0 )
        {
            AI_ACT_SKILL( 360 );
            AI_TAR_RND();
            AI_SET_GUARDORDER( 0 );
            return;
        }

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 12:51 PM

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pretty sure 0x0100 is just 256

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as for what that actually checks for i can only assume its checking if it has any buffs?

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or debuffs

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doing a quick check now

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nvm quick check on hold my game is crashing when loading the encounter

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 12:57 PM

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Archangel miniboss doesn't use an AI script though?

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 1:02 PM

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Huh. That’s… odd. It should, right? That fight definitely isn’t using default behavior.

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Maybe that script's a leftover from OG P5 then? Is that a possibility?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 1:06 PM

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It is. And the behaviour is in this second segment I mentioned before. After quick look I believe I found where it uses cleave, though not much else

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 1:07 PM

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Yeah that second segment is completely unintelligible to me. I had no idea what I was looking at.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 1:11 PM

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This is Cleave. This is all I can tell you about his AI 😄

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 1:12 PM

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Well on the upside now that I know custom scripts work I don’t have to touch that shit at all xD

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 1:12 PM

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You can study Reaper's AI. There's a lot, but it's not too complicated

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 1:12 PM

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i have a writeup somewhere about the basics too

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 1:12 PM

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Huh. Will do.

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Oh that’d be super helpful if you’re willing to share.

white spruceBOT Jan 13, 2023, 1:13 PM

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Cornflakes

I've cleaned up and commented the investigation team boy's ai flowscript and turned it into a sort of beginners guide to ai scripting

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sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 1:14 PM

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wrote a while back so i will recheck over it to see if i missed anything

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 1:15 PM

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Oh yeah. Actually there’s something else I forgot to ask about earlier? Do enemies have armor values? I saw a value for their basic attack in the table entry but nothing about armor.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 1:15 PM

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not that ive ever seen

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as far as i know damage differences are just caused by level differences and stats

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 1:15 PM

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No but there's endurance

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From the wiki

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 1:16 PM

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white spruce

And this is great

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 1:17 PM

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this is a more up to date version of my enums

📎 ENUMS.flow

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it has all the normally usable skills in it plus some other less useful stuff

white spruceBOT Jan 13, 2023, 1:18 PM

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Cornflakes

also if you want to compile it put this in a folder called utils in the same place as it

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sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 1:18 PM

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same usage as past me

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 1:20 PM

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So if you use something like AI_TAR_WEAK and nothing matches the criteria what happens?

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Does it just fall back on random targeting or something?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 1:20 PM

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i believe so

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 1:22 PM

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I feel like I might have to check myself soon because this is quickly evolving from “I want enemies to use different skills and maybe not use Attack if they don’t have to” to “how can I make the enemies systematically murder you as efficiently as possible?”.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 1:23 PM

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a difficulty mod that actually changed enemy ai to be super agressive would be pretty interesting

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 1:24 PM

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That’s sort of what I’m aiming for? idk. I just think if all I do is buff stats that’d be kind of lame.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 1:24 PM

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sly epoch a difficulty mod that actually changed enemy ai to be super agressive would be p...

This is kinda what I am working on 😄

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 1:24 PM

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exciting stuff

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 1:27 PM

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What I’m working on is basically a complete difficulty overhaul that touches on everything related to combat. Just finished updating every already available player persona in the game. Enemies was the next thing on my to-do list.

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Only problem is as I keep learning how to do more things I keep expanding the scope.

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lol

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 2:00 PM

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Anyone happen to know the status IDs?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 2:02 PM

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I imagine it's checked like a bit flag, just like stat buffs

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As such, the id for 1 specific status should match status ids in SKILL.TBL

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Might be wrong though

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 2:06 PM

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MUKOU
KYUSYU
HANSYA

So what are these checking for?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 2:06 PM

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Where did you see them? Maybe you can figure it out by context

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 2:06 PM

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Looking at the reaper script like you suggested.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 2:07 PM

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Screenshot it or post it, I mean 😄

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 2:07 PM

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one of them was status effects like frozen or burning but i dont remember which one

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 2:08 PM

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sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 2:09 PM

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skill 385 is fire break so i would guess its to do with resistance

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 2:10 PM

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AI_TAR_MINE();

I assume this makes it target itself?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 2:11 PM

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yea

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for stuff like healing obvs

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 2:12 PM

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AI_TAR_AI();

I would assume from the name this makes it target another AI but in this context it's using Megidolaon so that can't be right.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 2:12 PM

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not encountered that one

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there is also an AI_TAR_MYAI()

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it might be for targeting party members who are not on direct commands but that seems super niche

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 2:15 PM

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 else if ( var1 < ( 15 + 20 ) )

Is... there a point to statements like this? This is baffling to me. Why not just have it say

else if (var1 < 35)

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 2:16 PM

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i think its a compiler thing?

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it shouldnt have any impact on the final result so i would just have it as 35

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 2:17 PM

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So if the MY prefix indicates a function that checks itself, and EN checks the enemy, does FR check allies?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 2:18 PM

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not personally tested but thats always been my assumption

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 2:20 PM

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AI_TAR_HPMIN();
AI_TAR_MPMAX();

Do you know what these do?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 2:22 PM

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not tested either but im pretty sure its targetting whoever had the most/least health or sp

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 2:27 PM

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if ( AI_CHK_ENHANSYA( 2 ) == 1 )
            {
                AI_ACT_SKILL( 385 );
                AI_TAR_HANSYA( 2 );
                return;
            }
            else if ( AI_CHK_ENKYUSYU( 2 ) == 1 )
            {
                AI_ACT_SKILL( 385 );
                AI_TAR_KYUSYU( 2 );
                return;
            }
            else if ( AI_CHK_ENMUKOU( 2 ) == 1 )
            {
                AI_ACT_SKILL( 385 );
                AI_TAR_MUKOU( 2 );
                return;
            }

All three of these must have something to do with resists then since they all lead to using Fire Break?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 2:29 PM

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In theory, yeah

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 2:29 PM

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i would assume one of them is checking the personas resistances and another is checking for fire wall

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no clue what the third is though

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 2:34 PM

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Fire wall would be pointless though, fire break doesn't negate fire wall

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 2:34 PM

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Is it maybe checking for different kinds of resists like Drain/Repel/etc?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 2:35 PM

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would be 4, as it's resist/null/drain/repel? Though this might be it, you can test it

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 2:42 PM

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AI_CHK_MYUSEATTR(int param1);

Hit another one where I can't figure out what it does.

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if ( ( AI_CHK_ENWEAK( 2 ) == 1 ) && ( AI_CHK_MYUSEATTR( 3 ) == 0 ) )
            {
                AI_ACT_SKILL( 12 );
                AI_TAR_WEAK( 2 );
                return;
            }

So it's used in tandem with checking if anyone is weak to Fire before targeting them with Agidyne.

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Well, at any rate, I'll test those three out a bit later and see if I can get idea of what they might be doing. Will post results afterward.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 4:14 PM

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Would anyone happen to know what AI_SET_FRID_MAXSERIAL is? I assume it's amount of turns in a row but idk

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 4:31 PM

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I was wondering about that as well.

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I might as well at it to the list of things to test when I get around to that later.

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I'm still wondering about MYUSEATTR. Breaking that down into something that somewhat resembles english I'd suppose it's My Use Attr? I have no idea what that might be referring to though.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 4:39 PM

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Same

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 4:40 PM

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if your not already i reccomend using zmenu's script logger

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i just have a basic ai script that checks a bunch of stuff then i look at the log to see the returns

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 4:43 PM

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Where would I get that from/how would I install it? I remember I had a bunch of trouble getting any kind of mod menu to work before eventually finding a link to a r2 packaged version of the Amelius mod menu on here somewhere.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 4:43 PM

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Here's my thread 😄
https://discordapp.com/channels/746211612981198989/1060984673003655258

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@sly epoch would you happen to know if you can pass arguments to custom functions?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 4:45 PM

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indeed you can lemme pull up an example

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this is an example of both in and out

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will try and check but i think in variables are seperated by a comma

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yep

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buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 4:49 PM

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Yeah

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Thank you

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 4:51 PM

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no probs im always happy to answer questions especially on flowscript

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 4:51 PM

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Don't think TAR_WEAK works, or at least it doesn't always works, as enemies tend to target either the weak team member, or joker

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 4:52 PM

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Huh.

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Is there a function that returns the current flat SP value?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 4:54 PM

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I don't think enemies use SP?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 4:54 PM

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there is one for party members but not seen one for enemies before

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 4:54 PM

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I've been bootlegging it with AI_CHK_MYMP() but that requires a lot more work and knowing what percent of their total SP they need for certain skills.

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 4:54 PM

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buoyant marsh I don't think enemies use SP?

They do.

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If they run out their skills will just fizzle.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 4:55 PM

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yea as far as i can see the only way would be to math it with the MYMP percent and what they max is

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that would also require a for loop checking MYMP until it finds what its at

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 4:56 PM

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rose valley They do.

Huh, didn't know that

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 4:56 PM

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void AI_MAIN()
{
    int var0;
    var0 = RND( 100 );
    
    if ( var0 < 25 )
    {
        if ( AI_CHK_MYMP( 21 ) == 0 )
        {
            AI_ACT_SKILL( 13 );
            AI_TAR_RND();
        }
        
        else if ( AI_CHK_MYMP( 9 ) == 0 )
        {
            AI_ACT_SKILL( 10 );
            AI_TAR_RND();
        }

        else
        {
            AI_ACT_ATTACK();
            AI_TAR_RND();
        }    
        return;
    }
    else 
    {
        if ( AI_CHK_MYMP( 9 ) == 0 )
        {
            AI_ACT_SKILL( 10 );
            AI_TAR_RND();
        }
        
        else
        {
        AI_ACT_ATTACK();    
        AI_TAR_RND();
        }
        return;
    }

}

I wrote this for Pyro Jack but there's gotta be a better way to do this, right?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 4:57 PM

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im pretty sure its percent based

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 4:58 PM

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Yeah. It checks to see if their MP is at or below that percent.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 4:58 PM

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so AI_CHK_MP(21) is checking if its either above or below 21% though i forget which way round it is

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 4:58 PM

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It's below.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 4:58 PM

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dont see much wrong with that way of doing it

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pretty sure its how vanilla game enemies do it

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 4:59 PM

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It works I was just hoping for a way to do it that didn't require me to math out what percent of their max SP each skill costs.

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vanilla enemies don't do it at all. They'll still try and use skills even with no SP they just won't fire.

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Which is the reason I wrote this to begin with.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:00 PM

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oh yea i just meant from looking through boss scripts thats about how it usually looks

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:00 PM

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Ah.

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Well then I guess it's the hard way then.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 5:02 PM

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rose valley I'm still wondering about MYUSEATTR. Breaking that down into something that some...

By the way, I suspect AI_CHK_MYUSEATTR is about enemy's affinity

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:03 PM

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Possibly?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 5:04 PM

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Well yes. I didn't check

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:05 PM

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ok i think i have the maths right?

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`int SP = 200;
int SkillCost = 8;

AI_CHK_MYMP(SP/100*SkillCost);`

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:05 PM

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By "enemy's affinity" what exactly are you referring to?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:05 PM

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if you have SP as whatever the enemies max SP is then you just need to put in Skillcost as whatever amount of sp your skill needs is

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and it should have the right percent to check

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:05 PM

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Y'know I hadn't considered creating new variables to do the work for me.

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Can you tell I haven't programmed in years?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:06 PM

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doing maths like this is fun

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though be warned

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there is no way of rounding as far as i can tell

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:06 PM

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It's an Int right? So it truncates.

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I think.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:07 PM

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yea

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 5:07 PM

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rose valley By "enemy's affinity" what exactly are you referring to?

Elemental resistances. So AI_CHK_MYUSEATTR( 2 ) might check for enemy's fire res

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:07 PM

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sly epoch this is an example of both in and out

this function takes advantage of that to floor it

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but there is no proper rounding up/down

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:07 PM

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But it's already checking if the enemy is weak to fire so that can't be it, no?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 5:08 PM

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Oh, when I say "enemy", I mean the enemy that AI script controls. So self basically

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:08 PM

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Ah.

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For some reason I was approaching this from a relative PoV.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 5:11 PM

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So I just checked, attack master (and, I presume, other auto passives) doesn't work

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:11 PM

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Unfortunate. I would've loved being able to troll people with that.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 5:21 PM

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Can you define constants or only local variables in functions/use enums?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:23 PM

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pretty sure constants have to be global

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 5:23 PM

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Yeah, I meant global constants

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:24 PM

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wait nevermind they dont actually have to be global

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this compiles

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:24 PM

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Do either of you know what bit flag 11550 is used for? This is the second time I'm seeing it used in an AI script.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:25 PM

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no clue

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 5:25 PM

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Nope

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:26 PM

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buoyant marsh Would anyone happen to know what AI_SET_FRID_MAXSERIAL is? I assume it's amount ...

Also now having seen it used in Anubis's script I'm fairly certain this is what it is. The first parameter passed to it seems to be the enemy's ID and the second how many turns they get.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:26 PM

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that would be a good thing to know

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:27 PM

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PUTS( "1more" );

So what does this do? Is this just a text print?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:27 PM

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yea put and puts are prints but they either do completely nothing on or have nowhere to actually see their output

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 5:28 PM

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Iirc there was a debug feature but it was cut

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Before the release that is

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:29 PM

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So do you know how AI_GET_LOCAL_PARAM and AI_SET_LOCAL_PARAM are used?

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I'm seeing those a lot.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 5:29 PM

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Well.. they set and get a local variable

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That variable is saved between the turns

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:30 PM

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I'm more referring to the arguments they take.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 5:30 PM

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AI_GET_LOCAL_PARAM(int paramId)
AI_SET_LOCAL_PARAM(int paramId, int value)

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:30 PM

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basically just some memory for the ai

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there is also AI_GET_GLOBAL and AI_SET_GLOBAL which work the same way but are shared among ai

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:33 PM

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Oh, I think I see.

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So the first argument identifies a local variable, and the second feeds it a value, basically?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:34 PM

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yea

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:34 PM

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Makes a lot more sense now.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:34 PM

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(1, 2) would be set local variable 1 to the number 2

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then using get on 1 would return the number 2

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:34 PM

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Do they always start at 0?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:34 PM

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pretty sure yea

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they dont do anything unless you use them though so you can always set it to whatever you want on the first turn

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:36 PM

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Trying to decipher Anubis's AI right now. I think out of all enemies, he's the one I want to fix the most. What they did to my boi in Royal is a travesty.

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AI_ACT_WAIT3( 477 );

I'm assuming this is his special wait where he changes the scale balance?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:41 PM

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most likely

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never even noticed there was another wait function

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:42 PM

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I figured he might have one since no other enemy has that specific mechanic.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 5:44 PM

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Do you know what AI_GET_FIRST_ACTION is? It's checked for not being equal 2 in reaper's script.
Also, do any of you know what determines how many times enemy acts per turn?

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:55 PM

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AI_SET_FRID_MAXSERIAL(enemy ID, number of turns)

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Go nuts and create your ultimate enemy with 5 ~~press~~ turns.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:56 PM

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gotta recreate smt3 mot

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:56 PM

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Can you use any Persona model to create an enemy? Will that work?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:56 PM

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animations might be in a different order but i can quickly check

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 5:56 PM

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Yeah, AI_SET_FRID_MAXSERIAL increases number of turns

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But, only to one enemy

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So, if you have several enemies of the same type.. it applies only to 1

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:57 PM

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Because I 100% want to replace Siegfried with a Nocturne inspired Lucifer boss.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 5:57 PM

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buoyant marsh So, if you have several enemies of the same type.. it applies only to 1

Do you know if this can be fixed/worked around?

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 5:58 PM

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Uh... no clue. Everything I know about this topic I learned in the last... how old is this thread? Ten hours or so.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 5:59 PM

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rose valley Can you use any Persona model to create an enemy? Will that work?

personas are missing most of the animations

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they only have an idle and casting anims

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you could got from enemy to persona but not the other way around without making the animations yourself

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:00 PM

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buoyant marsh Do you know if this can be fixed/worked around?

A quick look tells me maybe? There are four functions total which seem to relate to max serial.

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AI_SET_FRID_MAXSERIAL(int param1, int param2);
AI_GET_FRID_MAXSERIAL(int param1);
AI_SET_ENID_MAXSERIAL(int param1, int param2);
AI_GET_ENID_MAXSERIAL(int param1);

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 6:01 PM

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But they all don't seem to fit

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:01 PM

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So you could potentially use FR ID to set it rather then ENID?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 6:01 PM

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It's either about friend or enemy

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 6:01 PM

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there is an ENID_CURRENTSERIAL aswell but how would you check the enemies current turn if its their turn not yours?

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:01 PM

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Fuck me I'm tired and my brain isn't working.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 6:02 PM

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sly epoch there is an ENID_CURRENTSERIAL aswell but how would you check the enemies curren...

It's probably for checking what consequential turn it is for multi-turn enemies

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 6:02 PM

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the problem is when would you run it if its someone elses turn

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:03 PM

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My guess is it was never intended to be used for enemies which would appear in groups so they never made a function for it.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 6:03 PM

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That's probably it, yeah

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Pretty sad

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...and perhaps time to bother DC

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:03 PM

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DC?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 6:03 PM

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DeathChaos

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:05 PM

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idk who that is I'm relatively new here.

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:06 PM

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sly epoch personas are missing most of the animations

rip. Metatron it is then, I guess. I know he has an unused enemy variant I could make use of.

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:09 PM

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sly epoch there is an ENID_CURRENTSERIAL aswell but how would you check the enemies curren...

( AI_GET_ENID_CURRENTSERIAL( 22 ) == 0 )

I'm thinking this might just be misnamed. Looking at it in context within Anubis's script this is definitely checking to see which consecutive turn he's on.

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 if ( AI_GET_ENID_CURRENTSERIAL( 22 ) == 0 )
        {
            
            if ( ( ( var1 == 1 ) || ( var1 == 5 ) ) || ( var1 == 9 ) )
            {
                var1 = ( var1 + 1 );
            }
            else if ( var1 == 11 )
            {
                var1 = 0;
            }

        }

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 6:10 PM

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that would make alot more sense

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:11 PM

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My question is does it count up or down?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 6:12 PM

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i would assume its what consecutive turn its on

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0 being its normal turn and 1 being the first additional turn

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:13 PM

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So it begins on turn 0, then 1, 2, etc?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 6:13 PM

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but its worth testing making assumptions is risky with atlus' weird naming conventions

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:13 PM

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I'm surprised so much of this is even in english.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 6:15 PM

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Do any of you definitely know status ids for AI_CHK_ENBAD?
I know example script from Cornflakes had Status.Frozen "kept for posterity" but is there a working version? 😄

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 6:16 PM

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oh man i think i had it figured out kinda at one point but its totally gone

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its most likely something to do with status effects but i must of been wrong somehow to remove it

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:17 PM

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It's definitely checking for status effects I have no idea what else BAD could even be referring to unless the devs were just on something when they named these.

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This is the order it appears in in the unit.tbl affinities list so we could assume its in this order until proven otherwise?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 6:20 PM

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Like I theorised before it's probably bitflag checking but figuring it out going to be painful

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:21 PM

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But wait

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ignore me

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I'm tired.

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And I get sooooo stupid when I'm tired.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 6:22 PM

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just went to an old version of the enums before i deleted the line for frozen

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it was apparently AI_CHK_MYBAD( 2 )

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 6:23 PM

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I believe this line is correct, it does check for frozen from what I found

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:23 PM

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AI_CHK_MYBAD(int param1);

Yeah it takes an Int as an argument.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 6:23 PM

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Doesn't help much with figuring it out though 😄

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 6:23 PM

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huh wonder why i deleted it

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i guess its just kinda ugly in the enums aside the other ones

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:24 PM

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buoyant marsh Doesn't help much with figuring it out though 😄

Real talk I think the easiest way would be to brute force test it?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 6:25 PM

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Hmm, AI_CHK_MYBAD(0x0800) checks for brainwash

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 6:25 PM

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2048

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 6:25 PM

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Soo if we imagine effect lists as flag enum, brainwash will be.. 4096, not 2048

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ugh

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..unless they committed cardinal sin and set 0 to some effect?

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or more likely, the first bit in effect list 0 is just unused

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:30 PM

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Well if 2 is frozen

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then would it not be reasonable to expect that 1 is burn and 3 is shock?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 6:30 PM

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Not really, I take it away, 2 is probably not frozen 😄

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:31 PM

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rip

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 6:31 PM

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reason for deletion found

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:33 PM

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And? Don't keep us in suspense.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 6:33 PM

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oh i just mean it was probably deleted because its not frozen

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:34 PM

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Oh.

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lol

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 6:35 PM

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But you know, there's a lot of AI_CHK_ENBAD( 0x0200 ) I found.
And depending how you count, it can berserk, unknown or lust.. probably not any of them in other words, so idk

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:35 PM

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Oh boy.

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https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-mystery-machine-cartoons-gif-18861458

Tenor

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Seriously though this information has to be SOMEWHERE, right?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 6:38 PM

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In the exe

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:38 PM

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fun

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 6:41 PM

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I think I'll just test

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:41 PM

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You said 0x800 was Brainwash?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 6:42 PM

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I believe so

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 6:45 PM

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setup and ai that spam checks every number between 0 and 2049

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should be able to make some progress with that

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they are just burning

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tried both shock and brainwash but because they lose their turn i get nothing

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:50 PM

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Maybe try Dizzy?

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They can still move with that.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 6:51 PM

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so 1 is burning 8 is dizzy and 64 is forgetfulness

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making progress i guess

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:53 PM

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Could you maybe use FRBAD to check for the ones which restrict movement?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 6:54 PM

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yea i guess i could just put 2 of them in the fight

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it just takes the enemy id right?

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:54 PM

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Not sure. Went out to pick up lunch.

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So can’t check.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 6:55 PM

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i will give it a shot and find out

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 6:59 PM

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CHK_FRBAD only seems to take a single argument.

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Which would be the status ID.

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No enemy ID required.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 6:59 PM

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Sooo, I learned from my testing that, brainwash is 2048

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And desperation is.. 4096!

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That means it goes from the end of effect list 3, and onward

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And that 2 is indeed freeze

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 7:00 PM

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Although AI_CHK_FRIDBAD (x, y) also exists, which you can use to check a specific ally.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 7:00 PM

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WHY ATLUS

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 7:00 PM

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thats the exact result i just got from brute forcing it

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 7:02 PM

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Burn = 1
Freeze = 2
Dizzy = 8
Forget = 64
Brainwash = 2048
Desperation = 4096

So these are our current results, then?

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 7:04 PM

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enum Effect {
    Burn = 1,
    Freeze = 2,
    Shock = 4,
    Dizzy = 8,
    Confuse = 16,
    Fear = 32,
    Forget = 64,
    Hunger = 128,
    Sleep = 256,
    Rage = 512,
    Despair = 1024,
    Brainwash = 2048
}

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Basically yeah

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 7:05 PM

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last line still needs a comma at the end and didnt you mention desperation being 4096

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aside from that i believe mystery solved gang

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 7:05 PM

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Hell yeah.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 7:06 PM

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sly epoch last line still needs a comma at the end and didnt you mention desperation being...

Last line needs comma? Why?

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Also yeah, I didn't include desperation (not to confuse it with despair)

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 7:06 PM

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Time to

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make the first palace impossible.

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lfg

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 7:07 PM

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pretty sure it needs one to compile but i might be wrong

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huh maybe not

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i guess it just allows for either

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 7:07 PM

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Wait so does enums actually do something?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 7:08 PM

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lets you write things like AI_ACT_SKILL( Skills.Bufu ); instead of AI_ACT_SKILLS ( 20 );

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 7:08 PM

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Huh.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 7:09 PM

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its just for convenience in writing and readability

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 7:31 PM

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Is there a function/value that checks for ANY bad status, rather than a specific one?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 7:34 PM

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there is most likely a number that will always return 1 no matter what status they have but i dont know what it would be off the top of my head

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 7:35 PM

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1 | 2 | 4 | ...

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 7:36 PM

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that also works

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base p5 final boss script has loads of checks for AI_CHK_FRIDBAD( 240, 0x00080000 )

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but i checked 524288 and it didnt become 1 from burning so its not anything

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chance its a decompiling error too ive seen something similar before

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 7:51 PM

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void AI_MAIN()
{
    int var0;
    int SP;
    var0 = RND( 100 );
    if ( var0 < 20 )
    {
        if ( AI_CHK_MYMP( 21 ) == 0 )
        {
            AI_ACT_SKILL( 13 );
            AI_TAR_RND();
        }
        
        else if ( AI_CHK_MYMP( 9 ) == 0 )
        {
            AI_ACT_SKILL( 10 );
            AI_TAR_RND();
        }

        else
        {
            AI_ACT_ATTACK();
            AI_TAR_RND();
        }    
        return;
    }
    
    else if (var0 < 40)
    {
        if (AI_CHK_ENBAD(8) == 0)
        {
            if ( AI_CHK_MYMP(SP/100*3) == 0)
            {
                AI_ACT_SKILL( 80 );
                AI_TAR_NOTBAD(8);
            }
        }    
        
        else if (AI_CHK_MYMP(SP/100*4) == 0)
        {
            AI_ACT_SKILL( 10 );
            AI_TAR_RND();
        }
        
        else
        {
            AI_ACT_ATTACK();
            AI_TAR_RND();
        }
    }
    else 
    {
        if ( AI_CHK_MYMP( 9 ) == 0 )
        {
            AI_ACT_SKILL( 10 );
            AI_TAR_RND();
        }
        
        else
        {
        AI_ACT_ATTACK();    
        AI_TAR_RND();
        }
        return;
    }

}

Updated that earlier Pyro Jack script. Now if the random number is between 20 and 39 he should check to see if someone on your side is Dizzy and then use Dazzler if not, other wise use Agi or Attack if not enough SP. Does it look right to you guys?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 7:56 PM

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as far as i can see you arnt setting SP to anything do its just doing 0/100

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 7:56 PM

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Yeah I noticed that and fixed it after I posted this.

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forgot to add a return too.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 8:00 PM

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for AI_CHK_MYMP(SP/100*4) the 4 is the exact amount of sp needed

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so this would be checking if they have less than 4

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not sure if that was the intent though

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 8:00 PM

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Dazzler only needs 3.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 8:00 PM

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huh

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i think that was the only other thing then

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 8:02 PM

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I wonder... The condition in it's current state checks to see if anyone on the player side is not Dizzy. How would I write the condition so that it becomes true if at least one person is not Dizzy.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 8:03 PM

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just change the 0 to a 1

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 8:05 PM

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Wouldn't that just make it so that it is ONLY true if nobody is Dizzy?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 8:05 PM

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oh right

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I guess you would have to use AI_CHK_ENIDBAD

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wait no i was right i think

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AI_CHK_ENBAD(8) will return 1 if it sees anyone is dizzy i believe

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AI_CHK_NOTENBAD(8) would return 1 if it sees anyone who is not dizzy

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 8:08 PM

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But it will never return 1 because nobody will ever be dizzy because the condition to cast the dizzy spell is someone already being dizzy.

buoyant marsh Jan 13, 2023, 8:08 PM

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sly epoch for AI_CHK_MYMP(SP/100*4) the 4 is the exact amount of sp needed

Shouldn't it be AI_CHK_MYMP((spCost / MAX_SP) * 100)? That works for me

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 8:08 PM

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AI_CHK_NOTENBAD(8)

This is what I was looking for I think?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 8:09 PM

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IF(AI_CHKNOTENBAD(8))
{
cast dazzler
}
else
{
do other stuff
}

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that would cast dazzler if anyone on the party is not dizzy

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and if not does other stuff

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 8:10 PM

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buoyant marsh Shouldn't it be AI_CHK_MYMP((spCost / MAX_SP) * 100)? That works for me

Yeah this is the correct formula.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 8:10 PM

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though bear in mind if someone was immune to dizzy the ai would get stuck in a loop constantly trying to cast dazzler

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 8:11 PM

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Well in that case, they'd cast Dazzler, it'd fail, and then next turn they might do something else.

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They're only meant to try and cast Dazzler 20% of the time.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 8:13 PM

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oh thats fine then

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another note

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im pretty sure in this case the ai will do nothing which crashes from memory

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 8:16 PM

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in which case?

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Oh I see what you mean now.

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If the SP check fails.

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It will do nothing.

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Well I guess if it doesn't have enough for Dazzler it doesn't have enough for anything else either so it should just attack.

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Maybe this is a little overboard for a level 2 enemy.

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lol

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 8:18 PM

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if anything its practice

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 8:21 PM

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AI_TAR_NOTHANSYA
AI_TAR_NOTKYUSYU
AI_TAR_NOTMUKOU
AI_TAR_NOTWEAK

I really need to find out what these do.

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These must be resistance checks I think.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 8:22 PM

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well atleast notweak is self explanatory

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 8:23 PM

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The fact that it's only four is what makes it confusing.

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Since there are five resistance types.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 8:25 PM

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there is also HOUMA and versions of the other ones with _ST at the end

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 8:25 PM

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HOUMA? I don't see that one.

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Ah there it is.

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That could be the missing fifth resistance then?

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Can you think of an effective way to test these and find out what they do?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 8:26 PM

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only way would be to brute force them

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but that would be annoying

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 9:09 PM

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By brute force, how do you mean?

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 9:13 PM

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having the enemy check all of them constantly and just try a bunch of stuff on the enemy until you notice a change

rose valley Jan 13, 2023, 11:04 PM

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That sounds aggravating and yet doable if you design the right lab environment.

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I’ll take a crack at it tomorrow.

sly epoch Jan 13, 2023, 11:27 PM

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good luck

empty spoke Jan 14, 2023, 10:02 AM

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Enemy skills in AI script? + Where are item drops set?

rose valley Jan 14, 2023, 10:12 AM

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Alright, I ran the test.

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I figured out what they mean.

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void AI_MAIN()
{
    int var0;
    int SP;
    var0 = RND( 100 );
    SP = 48;
    
    if (AI_CHK_ENHANSYA(2) == 1)
    {
        AI_ACT_SKILL( 20 );
        AI_TAR_RND();
        return;
    }    
    
    else if (AI_CHK_ENKYUSYU(2) == 1)
    {
        AI_ACT_SKILL( 30 );
        AI_TAR_RND();
        return;
    }
    
    else if (AI_CHK_ENMUKOU(2) == 1)
    {
        AI_ACT_SKILL( 40 );
        AI_TAR_RND();
        return;
    }
    
    else
    {
        AI_ACT_ATTACK();
        AI_TAR_RND();
        return;
    }

}

Ran this test code.

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Then swapped my Persona to one with an appropriate level of fire resist each turn and recorded results.

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Neutral - Attack
Resist - Attack
Null - Zio
Drain - Garu
Repel - Bufu

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So then:
HANSYA = Repel
KYUSYU - Drain
Null = Mukou

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There is no CHK for HOUMA so it must be something entirely unrelated.

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AI_CHK_ENRESIST
AI_CHK_ENMUKOU
AI_CHK_ENKYUSYU
AI_CHK_ENHANSYA
AI_CHK_WEAK

Are our affinity checks, then.

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They each take a single integer argument which represents the element ID to check for.

surreal condor Feb 1, 2023, 9:48 PM

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sly epoch base p5 final boss script has loads of checks for AI_CHK_FRIDBAD( 240, 0x0008000...

0x00080000 might be referring to "dead" status
from twins fight script:

    if ( AI_CHK_FRIDBAD( 245, 0x00080000 ) == 1 )
    {
        AI_ACT_SKILL( 310 );
        AI_TAR_ID( 245 );
        ai0244_AddTurnCount();
        return;
    }

skill 310 is Recarm

rose valley Feb 1, 2023, 9:51 PM

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Y'know I've never done that fight but if that's a recarm check then you might be right.

surreal condor Feb 1, 2023, 9:53 PM

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I also see this check in some scripts:

else if ( AI_CHK_ENBAD( 16777215 ) == 1 )
{
    ai0236_technical();
    return;
}

this is in shido's script (BTL_AI236)

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I don't know what it checks for though

rose valley Feb 1, 2023, 9:54 PM

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That

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looks like something I wouldn't want to touch with a ten foot pole.

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If it's calling a function like that and then returning it's probably some funky hardcoded shit.

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Tbh with how heavily scripted the boss fights are I've been hesitant to try experimenting with their AI.

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I'm almost positive I'd break something.

surreal condor Feb 1, 2023, 9:56 PM

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I'm experimenting with maxserials right now. I'm searching for a function that gets current enemy's ID

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to no luck yet

rose valley Feb 1, 2023, 9:57 PM

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I did take a look at Kamoshida's briefly and sort of was able to follow it.

surreal condor Feb 1, 2023, 9:57 PM

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AI_GET_MY_ID() looked promising but returned gibberish

rose valley Feb 1, 2023, 9:58 PM

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Huh.

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Why are you looking for that, btw?

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Like what are you trying to do?

surreal condor Feb 1, 2023, 10:01 PM

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I want to set the number of turns for each enemy depending on their level, something like this

void check_lv() 
{
    int myid = AI_GET_MY_ID();
    if ( AI_CHK_MYLV_O( 60 ) == 1 ) 
    {        
        AI_SET_FRID_MAXSERIAL( myid , 3 );
        AI_FIRE_LV4();
        AI_FIRE_LV4();
        AI_FIRE_LV4();
        return;
    }
    else if ( AI_CHK_MYLV_O( 40 ) == 1 )
    {
        AI_SET_FRID_MAXSERIAL( myid, 2 );
        AI_FIRE_LV3();
        AI_FIRE_LV3();
        return;
    }
    else if ( AI_CHK_MYLV_O( 20 ) == 1 )
    {
        AI_SET_FRID_MAXSERIAL( myid, 1 );
        AI_FIRE_LV2();
        return;
    }
    else 
    {
        AI_SET_FRID_MAXSERIAL( myid, 1 );
        AI_FIRE_LV1();
        return;
    }
}

rose valley Feb 1, 2023, 10:01 PM

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Actually I suppose I could understand if you wanted to reuse the same script for multiple enemies, but otherwise you know what your ID is.

surreal condor Feb 1, 2023, 10:02 PM

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yeah I don't want to write a script for each enemy 😅

rose valley Feb 1, 2023, 10:02 PM

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That's what I'm doing.

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lol

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~~Admittedly haven't made much progress since my PC broke like three days after I first started writing them but I've got like half of Kamoshida's Palace done at least?~~

surreal condor Feb 1, 2023, 10:04 PM

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my real problem isn't making a script for each enemy though, I can live with it if I must

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I don't know what the enemy's level will be in advance, since I'm working on a better randomizer mod

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one that scales levels, randomizes affinities, passives, stats etc instead of just changing encounter tables

rose valley Feb 1, 2023, 10:07 PM

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Ah, I see the problem now.

surreal condor Feb 1, 2023, 10:07 PM

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I ran into a wall with scripts though, I had made a script that chose from a randomized move from every existing move, but alas it crashes the game very consistently and I don't get why

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so I resorted to assigning random "classes" to random enemies

rose valley Feb 1, 2023, 10:09 PM

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You're going to run into another issue with this where if you get two of the same enemy in an encounter only one will have the increased serial.

surreal condor Feb 1, 2023, 10:10 PM

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oh

rose valley Feb 1, 2023, 10:11 PM

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As far as I know that's the big issue with increasing max serial.

surreal condor Feb 1, 2023, 10:11 PM

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this sounds like spaghetti coding from atlus

rose valley Feb 1, 2023, 10:11 PM

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Well Atlus probably never intended to have two of them same enemy with increased serial count in the same encounter.

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Since this is usually only found on stuff like bosses/glowing shadows/minibosses.

surreal condor Feb 1, 2023, 10:13 PM

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glowing shadows coding is also a mystery, sometimes it has like 4 turns, other times just 1

rose valley Feb 1, 2023, 10:14 PM

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I just mean the stronger enemies with the red aura.

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Disaster Shadows (the exploding ones) are, from what I understand, a hardcoded mess.

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They're actually the exact same enemies as their normal variants, it's just that the game will sometimes turn specific enemy IDs into the exploding variety.

surreal condor Feb 1, 2023, 10:17 PM

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everything is hardcoded oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh
I am also trying to understand what defines if an enemy is "talkable to". If I try to negotiate to a miniboss it won't let me, but if I put that miniboss in a random encounter it becomes possible to do it

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also with bosses

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might be a flag in encount.tbl somewhere, I don't know which one yet

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also what makes enemies crittable etc

rose valley Feb 1, 2023, 10:19 PM

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I was looking for that as well when my PC offed itself.

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lmk if you find anything

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It's almost certainly an encounter flag but idk which one.

surreal condor Feb 1, 2023, 10:19 PM

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will do

rose valley Feb 1, 2023, 10:19 PM

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Miniboss encounters generally have a ton of them set.

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I'm also trying to figure out what turns off All Out Attacks during the Shadow Okumura boss fight.

surreal condor Feb 1, 2023, 10:21 PM

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rose valley I'm also trying to figure out what turns off All Out Attacks during the Shadow O...

hmm, I think that's because okumura himself is also in the fight, just not targetable

rose valley Feb 1, 2023, 10:21 PM

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That

surreal condor Feb 1, 2023, 10:21 PM

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like maruki's early fights

rose valley Feb 1, 2023, 10:21 PM

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actually sounds like it might be the answer.

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AAnd if it is

#Enemy skills in AI script? + Where are item drops set?