Ars Zero

[prisma bolt]

Not a glyph, but if you happen to use Framed Blocks, it lets you cycle blockstates of the framed blocks and freeze them

[compact coral]

O

[prisma bolt]

of course, it only works on blocks from that mod

[compact coral]

Never used frame blocks

[prisma bolt]

But it's framed blocks, so that's very very flexible

[compact coral]

I'm a loyal Copycats+ fan

[prisma bolt]

To each their own 🙂

Lsat time I tried copycats+ it had major crashing issues

that was about 6 months ago

[quick panther]

question, does frameblock work with create schematic?

[prisma bolt]

IT DOES!!

[quick panther]

OH

nice

[prisma bolt]

MUCH to my surprise

[restive oyster]

I extremely agree. Make the debug stick just a wand? XD

(first check out what all it can do, idk if there's some block states that'd break stuff?)

[primal sun]

Does the author have any plans to add more glyph of the Water School? At present, it seems that the Water School is the weakest, and it doesn't even have a level 3 glyph

[ripe plank]

Ok so the beam glyph is utterly terrifying

I need a content mod, theres nothing that can stand up to this. I just sliced the chimera in half with two quick rakes with a harm spell

[humble tree]

Isn't Convergence + Conjure Water fitting this?

But maybe Convergence and one day

[humble tree]

I would love to make a worthy boss for this mod one day : D

[ripe plank]

It is needed

[humble tree]

We need a boss that fights on Ars + Apotheosis levels. Teleportation, insane protection levels, very high damage output etc

a boss that will make you shake your pants

[ripe plank]

Go status effects that need dispelled

Blind, snare, slow, starve, go full doomtrain

[humble tree]

I'll need to pit it against Azalea who has like one billion mana and 1024 health lol

[ripe plank]

I'd say give it illusions or decoys that debuff you if you shoot the wrong one

Maybe you need the right thing in the offhand for the coup de grace

[prisma bolt]

Yes please!!! I want to lose many times to a boss before I finally win!

[humble tree]

and your reward shall be 1 dirt block

[prisma bolt]

So worth it

[humble tree]

idk I'll need to think that one through haha

[prisma bolt]

Going in a glowing item frame above my front door

[humble tree]

At the very least a head trophy of the boss

[prisma bolt]

That would be cool. I think the Cataclysm pets are a pretty great reward for the bosses that have them

[humble tree]

Oh another Ars familiar pet would also be a nice reward

[prisma bolt]

oh yeah, a familiar locked behind a boss

[ripe plank]

Ah yea, something that will fight perhaps

[humble tree]

a lil feisty one

[prisma bolt]

Perhaps a familiar that casts dispel on you once per 5 minutes if you have negative status effects, assuming the boss goes all-out with debuffs

[humble tree]

Best familiar from Hades 2

(not rly the best one is the cat, it gives you +1 life)

[ripe plank]

A little golem that drinks source smoothies for fuel lol

Can solo the warden with the proper arrangement, but hes got to be necking source jars like hes displaying hillbilly fortitude

[restive oyster]

Cute

[restive oyster]

Lol!

[primal sun]

can completely freeze a creature with ice blocks, making it immobile and unable to use the items in hand and causing it freezing damage. Then, you can use to deal even greater damage

A more powerful freezing capability than
It's not just about simply creating ice blocks on a living being, but completely wrapping it with ice blocks to turn it into an ice sculpture

[humble tree]

would maybe be fun to just completely turn it into ice, swapping the renderer, freezing all movements etc

hit it; breaks in pieces

if blocks it would just turn into 1/2 blocks? cuz not sure if we could get the size/shape of a creature reliably

[primal sun]

Or add an ice effect to the appearance of the creature?

[prisma bolt]

To those who’ve been playing with the staff more: what are the silliest, most useless spells youve come up with?

[compact coral]

I believe Self + Leap/Launch and then Temporal Context + Anchor allows for self propulsion lol

[serene ridge]

Ray/anchor launch

On a boat you're riding

[compact coral]

I will double check later tonight but I swear I managed even without a boat

Just a heads up though, controls are wack if you fly that way haha

[prisma bolt]

that sounds interesting

I could see making an obstace course for that

[primal sun]

A new idea, "Shield", when used together with "Self" + "Convergence", can release a shield centered on oneself to resist all projectiles, and "Diffusion" can be used to increase the radius of the shield

[humble tree]

Arcane Shield is slowly coming, one day!

https://tenor.com/view/anime-spell-magic-magician-witch-gif-4748384319353404470

[quick panther]

[delicate venture]

make it work with geometrize

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-pepe-think-pepe-the-frog-wojak-gif-13571840648507225174

[humble tree]

oh my gosh

i wonder how many entities we can get away with before minecraft starts crying

[small plank]

A lot less than you think if said entities are geckolib based

[humble tree]

They will be for sure. Why does geckolib help on that? Mostly worried about server lag, not GPU (though also a bit)

[humble tree]

Manipulation, maybe

[small plank]

If it is purely TPS wise then it shouldn't impact

Sudden spawning and collisions tend to be what overcharges servers

Especially because if too many things happen in one tick, that tick ends up taking too long to process and Watchdog kills the process

[humble tree]

That's true, whatever "big" form for the shield needs to spawn entities over a timeframe

[restive oyster]

Looks neat

[compact coral]

COGGSSS

Make it coggsss

Technica synergyyy

But that's a pretty dope model actually

[humble tree]

To do (Docs): Be able to Ctrl+C the 'example' spell
To do: Spell phase context; move up/down on right click of a phase (also explain in docs)

[humble tree]

"To do: when clicking 'V' (key to open book GUI), if you are not holding another casting device (book/staff etc) in either hand, and you have an equipped spell casting circlet, open this GUI instead"

man an annoying one, SpellSlottedScreens expect an InteractionHand instead of a stack

maybe it can magically put the item in your hand for the duration, because it's really relying much on that hand, can't easily mixin my way around it

[prisma bolt]

Ok I don't really understand the staff yet, still trying to grasp it, but I do have a few QoL feature requests that you can ignore or keep as you see fit. Mostly just parity with the base ars spellbook type stuff

• middle click to shift glyphs right
• Ctrl+C/Ctrl+S to copy/save spells
• save to shift glyphs left
• typing when search is unfocused starts a new glyph search
• remembering what stage of the spell I was editing when I leave and come back to the staff spellbook)

I have a feeling I'll eventually have same requests around , perhaps my favorite glyph. But I don't understand the staff well enough yet to know what those requests would be

[restive oyster]

randomize alteration to work with colours?

i want underfoot mageblock> aoex2> wololo> randomize
to make a rainbow road. not all at once, but like assorted.

(this isnt a priority, just a dream)

xD

[prisma bolt]

Maybe? Idk, I need to understand the staff. I just like randomize and always want more randomize lol

Something like randomize to randomly select or drop out blocks from the previous target, perhaps? Or maybe that's already a thing

[restive oyster]

i could try to help you understand the staff as much as i do, if you'd like?

[prisma bolt]

That'd be cool

[restive oyster]

i think i get it?

just let me know when you have time ! :3

[prisma bolt]

will do 🙂

[severe gazelle]

one of my favorite staff abilities is using select on an entity then applying an effect per tick or per couple of ticks

reminds me of jjk in a way

[humble tree]

1.10.2

• fix: add missing Geometrize translations
• fix: move Feet spell circle above block surface
• fix: set default circlet keybind to U instead of V
• fix: add translation for spellcasting circlet keybind
• qol: open circlet GUI on hotkey when no casting device in hand
• fix(docs): explosion example to 2 amplifies, add one AOE (explosion only allows 2 amplifies, not 3)
• fix: convergence explosion having a tiny deadzone where chickens were safe. no one is safe now. except eggs.

[humble tree]

Thaaaanks. I have the Ctrl+C - Ctrl+V support in a todo above you but for the others:

Todo: middle click to shift glyphs right
Todo: save to trim empty glyphs (shift glyphs left)
Todo: typing when search is unfocused starts a new glyph search
Todo: each spell slot in staff should remember the last edited spell phase

[humble tree]

Hmm wait a sec, I'm not sure if I uploaded the right build. Taking this one down, sorry for the 3 downloaders

Alright, new build coming up, pretty sure the previous one was not 100% up to date. But the builds only have a 1 byte difference so :v

[humble tree]

What do people think about changing the default delay of staff/circlet from 1 to something else like 5 or 10?

The logic here is that if it's something higher, new players may be more likely to question "how do I lower this", when they need it, rather than assuming that it just can't be changed.

What do you folks think?

[merry frost]

The other scenario I see happening
"Okay let's see what happens if I put a break spell on tick phase"
holds button
"Oh sh-"

[humble tree]

Let's try to set the default to 10 then!

[winter phoenix]

chaos gremlin it and add a config option for the default tick phase

[humble tree]

i mean i could

[humble tree]

1.10.3

• fix: all recipes missing

😭

Learned my mistake; no more gitignoring src/generated

[severe gazelle]

were so back

zero bro any word on infinite spells or a way to get better aoe/amp?

on multiphase

[humble tree]

nope

not something i'll look into i think any time soon

best bet would be to add aoe/amp for now, that i could do, probably disabled by default since eventually adams ars will be 1.21.1 (???)

[severe gazelle]

please

[humble tree]

oki dokiii

[primal sun]

BUG report: The staff cannot save spells now

[humble tree]

Hmm. I was able to last night on 1.10.2, last patch should only have been recipes 🤔

[humble tree]

I can't reproduce, could you provide more details? 👀

[primal sun]

Could it be that there was a conflict with other mods? I'm not sure either

[humble tree]

I think, from what I got from Bucket, it's maybe when it's in offhand

To do: better split beam functionality when used in non-Near forms (somehow?)

[humble tree]

To do, fix this: "So if I do something like a geometrize spell, and instead of allowing the spell to resolve, I swap to something else in my hotbar - I get the channeling sound stuck"

[humble tree]

Side by side:

• AOE x5
• AOE III x5

@severe gazelle

(Convergence + Explosion)

[severe gazelle]

thank you bro actual legend

im sure everyone will appreciate this one

[humble tree]

it's disabled by default and I put a Note: This is copied from Adam's Ars Plus and will be removed when it has been updated to 1.21.1.

I didn't copy the recipe though, I think you need some custom items for it IIRC, so just simplified that

[restive oyster]

Round

[humble tree]

1.10.4

• feat: multiphase spell parchment (can be applied to spell turrets)
• qol: ctrl+c & ctrl+v support for multiphase devices (copy to/from different devices supported too)
• add: AOE/Amp glyphs from Adam's Ars Plus, disabled by default
• qol: config for default staff tick (defaults to 10)
• fix: offhand saving spells not working
• docs: explain lifespan-based effects and show all these with a special tooltip addition
• docs: show that Sustain and Anchor extend lifespans

[humble tree]

@prisma bolt could you elaborate a bit on the "typing when search is unfocused" one? 🫶

[prisma bolt]

Sure. In the base ars spellbook, click on any glyph to de-focus the search bar. Then start typing. Whatever's in the search bar is erased, and whatever you type is written to the search bar. This is a really nice workflow (type the first 2-3 letters of a glyph name, click the glyph into the spell, type, click, etc)

[humble tree]

Amazing, thanks!!

[uneven spindle]

Yoooo Bucketst put out an Ars Zero video

[humble tree]

Yes! It was all planned 😎 I'm gonna put it up on the CF page now

Done! Video here if anyone's interested 😄
https://youtu.be/NJXWKSmyDwo

(Discord really doesn't like using the real thumbnail of the video 🫠)

[primal sun]

May I forward this video to video websites in China?

As always, I promise I won't make a profit from this video

[humble tree]

Yes you may

[humble tree]

Oh you mean...

Reupload?

I'm not sure about that, I think that's a question for @merry frost perhaps

[primal sun]

I'm just forwarding it, not modifying the video

ok

[merry frost]

I would prefer that you didn't, but if they're china based platforms I can't exactly stop you

[primal sun]

Understood. I won't forward it anymore

[novel orchid]

how does that even work?
last time i checked wind burst doesnt do dmg

does it have something to do with arrow velocity instead?

[humble tree]

Would it be confusing if I added loot-type items called "Wands" that are uneditable staffs? E.g. Wand of Telepathy

Just to make it clearly separated from the staffs and also because I can then make them "handheld" type item renderers

[compact coral]

Scepters might be a better name, methinks.

[humble tree]

Hmmm yes, that just feels very paladin/royal to me 🤔

[compact coral]

If not scepters, then yeah, wand might be your best bet. There's also "Rod" but I'm not sure I buy it for a name haha

[delicate venture]

Rod is used as an alternative by a lot of media

Scepter isn't necessarily royal or paladin-esque, more like noble? Dignified?

Staffs sound like something you could wack somebody on the head with

Scepters are above that

Immovable rod, Rod of ages... Could work

[humble tree]

Right now we only have Dominion Wand though (and advanced one)?

I did use (archwood) rod for the name of the ingredient you need to use to make the staff (instead of a book for the spellbook)

But I do like rod more than scepter

[ocean acorn]

Guys... solution is very simple:

• Item for casting from this mod could be named "Wand"
• Rename "Dominion Wand" to "Dominion Scepter"
• ...
• Profit?

[humble tree]

I gots it. Since Runic Spanner from Ars Technica was removed and Arcane Wrench was added, we rename it Dominion Spanner

truly the best of ideas

[ocean acorn]

well... can't deny the logic. Sure why not.

[young scroll]

There's also the Enchanter's Wand

[ocean acorn]

oof... that might make things a bit confusing...

[humble tree]

And then there's a Dowsing Rod

[ocean acorn]

One wand is used to cast a single spell but this other wand can cast one one of 10 made spells? AND you set-up the spells differently on each?

Solution: Rename "Enchanter's Wand" to "Enchanter's Specter"

[young scroll]

Why not something like Inscribed Staff? Or Caster Staff

Inscribed Spell Parchments exist in Additions

And Caster Tomes are the same thing but for base

[ocean acorn]

"Enchanter's" is word used for a series of items that you can inscribe with one specific spell

[young scroll]

Correct

[humble tree]

tbh main reason I want to avoid "Staff" is that I wanted to create simple textures to have unique item icons per "pre-programmed" multiphase device

when that texture is "handheld" it appears significantly smaller than the Spellstaff, i.e. it doesn't look long enough to be a staff

alternatively I just cave in and create a 3D model per instance of these

[humble tree]

Caster Staff should totally be a thing though

[ocean acorn]

What if... we had a series of items coming from enchanted items that let us store up to 10 configured spells (like in Spellbook) but they keep their original limitations of all starting with specific form and potentially a modifier for that form?

So... Enchanter's Sword that you can tweak and change spells to one of 10 just like with Spellbook, but it's starting glyphs remains .

or a Fishing Rod, or a Bow etc.

[humble tree]

Sounds interesting 🤔

[ocean acorn]

For those specific tools I imagine they would utilise Spellbook UI with some kind of indicator that let's us know which Glyph it starts with before the custom 10 we can input in

[young scroll]

Could always use the Artificer name

Artificer's Wand

Artificer's Bow

Someone who tweaks with the magic more

[humble tree]

For me other than fun/vanity the idea with the pre built wands is also so you can get some ideas (copy paste able) of multiphase spells. Easy to try in Creative, fun to find in Survival (some new custom structures would be nice)

[young scroll]

I think you need a name other than Wand

[ocean acorn]

Staff?

but that one is kind of used as well isn't it?

[young scroll]

Staff is only used by this addon

[humble tree]

I think maybe staff is the safest bet yea

Tbf I tried making an icon for a telekinesis staff and it didn't go super well, maybe I'm just made for the 3D world lol

on the plus side then I can also make a custom pedestal block for displaying staves

[ocean acorn]

You could even expand on the Enchanter's tools by having Enchanters Staff be what your current staff is, but with a single spell slot you modify through applying spells on the table with help of a book.
Then you combine Enchanter's Staff with a spellbook to make Artificers Staff - device for creating up to 10 spells in the same manner that your current staff does.

[ocean acorn]

in Ars all books that we can find in loot tables all come in the same texture (not counting variants added by Ars Elemental that come with predefined Focus)

So for consistency... all we need would be just one texture for the Staff.

[primal sun]

I'm not sure either. This method was also told to me by someone else

[uneven spindle]

I think the intent is to accelerate the arrow shot by the bow, I might be wrong

[merry frost]

A staff with 'Ekusupuroshon' built in that has a very specific custom model

[humble tree]

Oh that is a good point, we HAVE to have 3D models

[humble tree]

1.11.0

• fix: Staff 'keeps firing when changing items
• qol: middle-click inserts gap, shifts glyphs right
• qol: saving trims glyph strip immediately (no reopen needed)
• qol: selected phase remembered per slot
• qol: type to search w/o having to focus on search input
• add: loot item Staff of Telekinesis
• add: Spellcasting Pedestal to display your staves and spellbooks

[humble tree]

it is probably hard to find that staff atm, but i have an idea in mind for small structures to be added to find these

[ocean acorn]

We have not enough archeology uses...
Would you consider burring them staffs in sand?

Actually wait... Then that would make them farmable from the crab guys...

[humble tree]

The crab guys?

[small plank]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-people-south-park-gif-25989008

[humble tree]

But I was thinking just a small structure with a Casting Pedestal that displays a staff

[ocean acorn]

I guess that could be nice looking, though how often and where should this structure generate?

I still think adding in some suspicious sand or gravel could make the structure more interesting - adding in some story elements to a structure, maybe new sherd while at it...

[small plank]

can't add more sherds without an external api

or well, remaking said api

mojang really made sherds dirty in 1.21.1

[humble tree]

My idea was to make it generate in Archwood Forests, once per biome'ish (there's no way to clamp it to once per biome though, but on a normal world I mean)

[primal sun]

This update omitted the spell I submitted earlier, which is not in the demonstration case

😢

[humble tree]

Sorrryyy. I'm actually thinking to get rid of the examples, they'll be obsolete once we have staves that show these off.

Players that are interested in learning are likely going to head into creative, there they can try our the "Example" spells immediately with the respective staff

[primal sun]

ic

[little iris]

Paginator mivu3o9r-g3r not found in memory

[little iris]

Paginator mivu3o9r-g3r not found in memory

[humble tree]

O-okay

Interesting

[young scroll]

You need to submit the command again, the pagination has expired

[glacial musk]

sooo question
Im trying to do a multi part spell, but the temporal context glyphs don't seem to be "working"--only the first line goes off

I feel like im missing something so obvious, can someone point me in the right direction?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1394546819547271268/1394560468294565928/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_16.mp4?ex=69940525&is=6992b3a5&hm=b7f4dce854d4f90bbd8565516f6696bded2a8b911172d542ffb21b900ccda350&

(I'm trying to remake this old spell into a better version via staff)

the spell line for that was this

[small plank]

tried adding the select glyph?

[little iris]

@glacial musk

Result for search: select

**Effect:** Select from Ars Zero

Selects a target entity or block without performing any action.

AOE: Increases the area of blocks that can be selected
Pierce: Increases the depth of blocks that can be selected
Sensitive: Only selects entities, ignoring blocks.
AOE III: Increases the area of effect (stronger than AOE II).
AOE II: Increases the area of effect (stronger than AOE).

Tier

1

Cost

0

Schools

Manipulation

[glacial musk]

which line would I put that

?

(my idiocy is showing)

[small plank]

Doesn't make much sense on its own so maybe it's specifically for use on the first line to propagate to the ones below

at least according to bucket's video

[glacial musk]

I tried putting it at the end of the first line and it didn't change anything

I tried this and it didnt work either

[glacial musk]

also, side question, is the beam glyph disabled by default?

I cant find it

[small plank]

probably on the second page?

[glacial musk]

I used "search"

and it didn't show anything

[small plank]

wait for Zero, not enough Zero-mancers around yet

[glacial musk]

not showing up in the creative mode inventory search either

[small plank]

well did you check it's on latest?

[glacial musk]

yeah im on 1.21.1

[small plank]

i didn't mean minecraft version

[glacial musk]

2/15, right?

[small plank]

latest is 1.21.1-1.11.0

[glacial musk]

im gonna make a new world maybe updating it messed something up idk

[glacial musk]

im gonna go back to working on this for now

OH MY GOD IM AN IDIOT
I UPDATED THE MOD BUT FORGOT TO UPDATE IT IN THE OLDER MODPACK I WAS USING

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

critical thinking ability: zero

[humble tree]

Temporal context doesn't work very well with Burst yet

[glacial musk]

Any suggestions for a substitute?

I tried select like Alex suggested and I didn't seem to have much luck with that either but maybe I was using it wrong

[humble tree]

Depends what you're trying to do really

[glacial musk]

projectile -> big explosion when lands -> explosion makes smaller projectiles that spread

[glacial musk]

like this but staff-ified

[humble tree]

Not sure :v burst within the tick spell should work on its own but it won't pass all resolved targets from tick to end atm

[glacial musk]

aighty

thanks for the help tho I was losing my mind thinking I was missing something obvious 💀

Baller mod tho frfr beam with max amplify glyphs is so dumb I one shot the warden 😭

OOH maybe I just got an entirely different direction and do something with convergence/explosion

[small plank]

so basically what happens is that each context created in the first spell override each other for what temporal see? (only pick the latest)

[humble tree]

Hmm if I remember correctly, it's been a hot second since I touched this now, it should be that there's two contexts per cast device: a context between begin and tick, and a context between tick and end

[small plank]

how's the context for temporal fished up?

must have been stored somewhere no?

[humble tree]

Ye it is. I'll need to get to a computah first to get back to you but essentially that's the problem, where it is storing it is not doing it correctly

[glacial musk]

Ok im back with another question--Im using this set of glyphs, and while I can get the explosion part to "charge" just fine, the lightning bolt happens when the spell first makes contact

is it possible to make it so the lightning happens when I release the spell?

would that be what "end phase" is for?

lemme rephrase--I want the detonation to go off with the lightning simultaneously

OH MY GOD I FORGOT ABOUT TH EDELAY AUGMENT

IM SO DUMB SORRY

[glacial musk]

Ok, legitimate question this time, I've got this spell working pretty decently, but I can't figure out how to get projectile style effects to apply to the projectiles spawned by that last propagate arc glyph

is that just not a thing I can do or do I need to mess with some stuff

[glacial musk]

it has come to my attention that what I thought was the propogate arc projectiles was actually just remnants of the explosion being charged mb

If only I could make the explosion particles red 😔

[glacial musk]

Oh also, how do I re-enable the AOE III etc glyphs? If its by going into the config like how you do nullify defense, I can't remember how to do that either its been so long 😔

(sorry for the question spam)

what did I mess up here

[small plank]

You sure you saved the file and reloaded the game?

While the game was off

[humble tree]

Ah I getcha! Hmm so that's not possible at the moment. I could technically get that working but also gets a bit messy to explain that you can do Convergence + Explosion, which is already a combination effect AND that allows you to further resolve spells when this explodes.

But it's not completely off the table

[humble tree]

That propagate arc glyph needs to register the "spell style" timeline for you to do that, I don't recall which addon adds that though

[glacial musk]

I saved but I forgot to restart minecraft 😭 really showing my intelligence today

[humble tree]

Looks good to me as well!? You did restart the server this is running on?

[humble tree]

Kek

[glacial musk]

I like your funny words magic man

[glacial musk]

Delay glyph got it working

[humble tree]

Anyway it's from Ars Elemental, if you want that you might wanna poke Alex, the magicest man

[humble tree]

So basically I do a subscribe to EffectResolveEvent.Post event... and then I also do updateTemporalContext manually.
God damn it's such a freaking mess, I've dug myself into a pile of technical debt here.

yep i'm gonna refactor all of that next even if it takes me some weeks, I can't look at this anymore

Then I want to get temporal context working for burst, chaining, and anything really. That's the goal!

[small plank]

The projectile itself is in base ars so it's outside my scope

Both arc and homing will use the projectile spell style

[humble tree]

That should do it then 😎 Thanks Alex

[glacial musk]

Yeah thats the thing, I couldn’t get the end part of the spell to spawn the projectiles 😔

[humble tree]

I'm wondering if it's actually an ars zero issue then, I can check at some point

[glacial musk]

much appreciated 🙏 yall are so goated frfr

[near condor]

Minor issue i had, the Orbit projectiles are orbiting higher than they should be on Voxels

The spell I was trying to make is a spell where it holds a Voxel in front of you, then charges up a ring of Orbits around it, before firing it, cutting through enemies and terrain

[severe gazelle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-tybwaizen-0wxRYPhdD7n3W7NQ1R

[humble tree]

AOE III and block groups is interesting

[subtle mirage]

Is there a pierce III and amplify III as well?

[humble tree]

Amplify 3 yes

Idk if Adams has Pierce 3? I could port that over either way

[small plank]

pierce is not a spellstat

i guess you could try mixin-ing the getBuffCount

[humble tree]

Rip. We should make it a spellstat.

Related question, is it difficult to get stuff into base ars? I never made a PR for it

[small plank]

relay that to api-dev, the hardest part might be not being flooded by Qther's PRs

[coarse parrot]

Maybe I'm the only one with this problem, but when I use a voxel with shaders, the voxel itself becomes invisible. I've tried it with complimentori and solas shader.

[subtle mirage]

Yeah shaders and ars dont mix well

Common known issue not really a fix for it besides dont use shaders i guess

Its the same thing with skyweave blocks being invisible

[humble tree]

There should be an option for you somewhere to enable custom shaders

I think that is the common fix for it

Some of the voxels use a custom shader, I didn't know how to animate them otherwise. Maybe you can do UV scrolling somehow with geo entities... Though it's easier for me with this approach :v

[tawdry rain]

how does this addon's wand work? I understood nothing from the guide 🙁

[humble tree]

I can't really help you much if you understood nothing at all from the guide :/ If there's something in particular you're struggling with I can try to lend a hand!

To do: fix this
#1473304652471603283 message

[echo drum]

Are there any plans to make upgrade recipes? As in, when you craft the next tier staff it retains the settings from the previous staff (like spell books already do)

[humble tree]

...it doesn't?

We gotta fix that

[echo drum]

It's just using standard shapeless recipes right now. Need a custom handler

[devout jewel]

Pierce spell stat, split spell stat, all the spell stats

[tawdry rain]

what does temporal context do? I tried putting ray - break block - (next row) temporal context- break block. but it didn't break 2 blocks

[near condor]

Just made a spell that shoots a spray of flames as you hold the cast button, then when you release the button it finishes with a powerful explosive fireball

Very satisfying to use, the fireball is a Missile spell so its really good at finishing off the still-burning horde from the earlier fire spray

[fair prism]

anchor having no cost feels a bit op

[lament wasp]

How does one use the Geometrize Arcane Golem to place blocks? Trying to fill in a giant hole and can't figure it out.

[humble tree]

Temporal context takes the result of the last spell and continues from there. In this case, you are saying: "the block I just broke at this position? Break that one"

So you are trying to break the same block twice. Probably you want to just do Ray and Break in the tick phase

[humble tree]

You can always tweak the mana cost in the glyph config. IMO it's only OP if you're lifting entities that are not things you created

[humble tree]

You can use Conjure Terrain after Geometrize, or some other block placing glyph. But it needs to be after Geometrize, in the same spell phase.

In case someone else is wondering; no, this mod will not be ported to 1.20.1, at least not by me. I do not maintain multiple versions of my mods and I never will.

[wheat kelp]

That sucks but understandable

[humble tree]

1.11.1

• chore(dependencies): upgrade dependencies(ars nouveau, ars elemental, curios, nuggets, sauce)
• fix(dependencies): stop jar-jar'ing nugget
• fix: staff upgrade recipe nuking your data

that's a lot of 1's

[severe gazelle]

finished doxxing the update

[subtle mirage]

Omg i fucking loved that show

I cant remember anything that happened in it

I just remember finding that purple guy really funny to look at

[humble tree]

i gots no idea what that is so I didn't get the reference 😭

[subtle mirage]

it was some kids show about numbers

they fought weird ass monsters i think

i have no clue how it ties in with numbers but i found that purple guy funny

[humble tree]

https://tenor.com/view/sesame-street-the-count-the-count-sesame-street-laughing-laugh-gif-15452219526891068818

[severe gazelle]

elite ball knowledge

[glacial musk]

So I made diet domain expansion while Im waiting on the 1.21 port lol

[severe gazelle]

use it with arcane circlet for extra aura

i like how infuse can create a bootleg sure-hit by injecting the opps with whatever potion effect you nbt in

[glacial musk]

singleplayer creative world for testing so im too lazy, but in the multiplayer server Im playing in I plan on making one lol

[severe gazelle]

i used instant damage 10 and instant health 10 to oneshot all opps incl undead

yesterday

[severe gazelle]

fairs

[glacial musk]

I wasn't using infuse here but Ill give that a try

im still new to this shit

[severe gazelle]

get cad editor

its a mod that lets you easily operate on item nbts and attributes

i have a netherite helmet that gives me infinite mana regen

[glacial musk]

It aint my server nor do I have op perms 😔

but noted

[severe gazelle]

its fun on ur own

[glacial musk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1145149851290566749/1473805938938089593/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_21.mp4?ex=69978c3d&is=69963abd&hm=219bc29e56f9790616c493762093d91f186640989cbb8077e76162c3e317ea82&

also here's fuga just because

[severe gazelle]

tuff

send spell

[glacial musk]

1 sec

[glacial musk]

this but with an AOE III

[severe gazelle]

thx

[tawdry rain]

soo it's just an extension for a book? so I can put 27(excluding forms) glyphs instead of only 9?

[compact coral]

Yes and no. It has 3 distinct phases which essentially cast their own spell accordingly.

Start - The spell you cast as soon as you right click with the staff.
Tick - A spell that is continuously casted while you hold down right click.
End - One last spell that is cast right after you let go.

Normally, with a spell book, you'd only have the "Start" phase, so you couldn't do stuff like holding down a laser beam to damage mobs or destroy blocks, and you'd need to constantly cast over and over "manually".

[humble tree]

The description on CurseForge kind of explains that:

This mod adds a new caster item to Ars Nouveau; the Spell Staff. Unlike the Spell Book, the Staff allows you to continously cast spells as you hold down 'use'. This opens up for new scenarios that were previously not possible. To support such new scenarios, it's necessary to add a new cast method 'Temporal Context Form' and new effects that work in this context.

[humble tree]

I'm working on The Big Beautiful refactor of temporal context, select logic and reintroduction of block entity groups

But I'm a bit puzzled about what to do for sub resolvers like chaining. I'm essentially creating a spell context for each of the blocks, which REALLY doesn't scale with a lot of AOE (II and III), it just kills your game.

So I'll dive deeper into the why, hopefully I don't have to put a limit somewhere.

[glacial musk]

does this not work currently? I tried doing this spell and got nothing I think I may just be an idiot tho

[small plank]

Well welcome to why AoE 3 is only in powerscalers

[glacial musk]

its just not doing anything rn

[humble tree]

You need to enable it, there's only a config for it. I'm working on refactoring to get rid of the config so it's always enabled but only working for "basic" blocks

[glacial musk]

Is it in the select config?

or the anchor

[errant chasm]

Hello

Eh

Im having an issue, my game doesnt load for some reason

I have no idea where can I make a bug report, so, Im just trying to find anything related to this addon to ask for help

[humble tree]

I think it might be in the general config iirc, something with BLOCK_GROUP

[humble tree]

Do you have a crash log?

[errant chasm]

Yup

1 sec

Loader Neoforge 21.1.219
Current mod list:

Ars_Nouveau-1.21.1-5.11.1
ars_zero-1.21.1-1.11.1
curios-neoforge-9.5.1+1.21.1
geckolib-neoforge-1.21.1-4.8.3

Disabling Ars Zero makes the game work as intended
https://mclo.gs/KSSIaZl

-# The only thing I know is that the computer is scared lmao

[humble tree]

Do you have Ars Elemental installed?

It is a required dependency 👀

[severe gazelle]

"disabling ars zero makes the game work as intended" how quickly im deleting 1.21.1 if ars zero is gone:

https://giphy.com/gifs/ishowspeed-ishow-benonxtcy-a7XKygFwoO9opMWOeq

[errant chasm]

Ah, that may be the issue

I just noticed, but I would recommend adding a warning that it needs it as a dependency when loading the game, or in the mod's page description as in image-

[humble tree]

It should also be listed in mods.toml, not sure why it's being ignored by neoforge 🤔

[errant chasm]

Ah-
-# ...sometimes I hate curseforge, relations tab feels too hidden on pc

Well, anyways-

Gonna try see how it works now

[severe gazelle]

i managed to add infinite spells basically by spamming middle click on my glyphs

everything outside of the 10 slots gets deleted once i delete a non overflowed glyph however

its time for a monstrosity

ah yes

ray

the aoes and amp are III

[north trout]

Love this so far omg

[errant chasm]

I tried doing something and... my whole pc started lagging, even the system

Im scared

[warm chasm]

i noticed the default ars spellbook disallows ultimine to prevent abusing ultimine to make break spell stronger without costing mana, but the ars zero staffs dont have this compat and let you ultimine stuff with spells for free

i assume that's not intentional?

[uneven spindle]

WHAT

I know ultimine doesn’t work when holding a book, but I didn’t realize that was because spells applied to the ultimine

[lone karma]

hey it says amplify 3 and aoe 3 are disabled by the server

what config would that be under

[humble tree]

I have no idea what ultimine is, tell me more?

[humble tree]

There is a config per glyph, so these glyphs have their own files

[lone karma]

i found it thx

❤️

[lone karma]

ultimine is like veinmining

i dont really get how it can be used with the break spell tho

[uneven spindle]

Hold down the button for it and you highlight up to 64 of the nearest similar blocks in front of you. Breaking one breaks them all

Sometimes modpack makers disabled this ability if you aren’t holding a tool

However, it’s disabled by default if you’re holding a spellbook, preventing you from mining multiple blocks at once

If ultimine recognizes the Break spell as a valid form of mining, it makes sense that this would be disabled by default

[humble tree]

Okey dokey, thanks! I can look into that

[delicate venture]

This isn't a complaint, nor is it a problem-

I just wanted to share that Beam is ABSURD for mining. With it and the divination ritual (15 minutes) I got to mine a stack of ancient debris. Take into account I wasn't nuking the nether, and that I also took my sweet time looking around and emptying my inventory, and it starts to just sketch the potential for it.

I finally got a multiphase spell turret, and I'll build a train network weaving between the nether and the overworld, and this is how I'll clear the way

as always, superb, mister Zero!

Can't wait to see what you'll cook next

[lone karma]

do you ever plan on making the staff/circlet compatible with the infinite spells config for ars?

because i have many plans

[humble tree]

I wouldn't say "never" but it's very far down the list for me, there are many other things I'd like to do before that :v

First I want to fix problems with temporal context (burst/chaining) and the confusion around Select & Block Groups

Then it's time for some new content, I'm feeling for Frieren style spell shields

[primal sun]

No, it's normal now

It's strange that before I got the spell book, I couldn't cast spells with the staff under my feet

[small plank]

At this point I wonder if the mod was meant to be called Ars:Zero instead

For the uncultured swines, it's a naming pattern often used in anime spin offs

[humble tree]

https://tenor.com/view/re-zero-natsuki-subaru-nightmare-gif-2916735356966228386

mfw i see 73 new bugs i created

[warm chasm]

a mod that lets you break all nearby block to the block you're breaking, and drops all their loot at the block you broke. durability and hunger goes is fully on you

[tender kernel]

do i need to make both the staff and book or can the staff totally replace the book

[hollow pendant]

hello guys i got a problem for aoe and amplify 2 and 3 it says that i cannot use them because they are disabled in the config and i really dont know how to enable it please if someone can help me

[humble tree]

I think it should be 95% able to replace the book at this point. But it you find something missing, do let me know

[tender kernel]

if i want to make a basic spell like with a book, all i need to use is the begin phase and ignore the rest

[compact coral]

Yes

[lone karma]

Go to the ars zero config and find their config and just make sure enabled = true

[small needle]

it's nonsense is what it is

and a plague in modern packmaking

completely trivializes mining

[warm chasm]

i mean if that's your opinion lol

lots of us like it

we arent playing to mine all day after all

[small needle]

yeah because convenience is a sweet treat

[warm chasm]

yes, thats what gaming is for

its not a job

if smth is fun, it's good

if it's not fun, it's not good

if you dislike ultimine, don't use it

i like it, i'll use it

[small needle]

why bother making games difficult or tedious at all then

[warm chasm]

tedious is objectively unfun

difficult is fun for some

[small needle]

tedium is an obstacle for the player to solve

[warm chasm]

those who like it will make it

[warm chasm]

no, tedium is bad game design

no game should ever feel like a job

the purpose of a game is to have fun and relax, not to drain your mental health

[small needle]

okay but mining is a tedium you have control over to mitigate

[warm chasm]

yes, by using ultimine

[small needle]

why bother have mods introduce better tools if they're effectively as useful as a wooden pickaxe with ultimine

[warm chasm]

wdym

[small needle]

why bother making mining machines

[warm chasm]

wood breaks faster and has no speed

mining machines are automatic and have larger scale

your points make no sense

just accept that some ppl like different things than you do

[small needle]

i've accepted that already

[warm chasm]

then why are we debating this?

[small needle]

You're right. Enjoy the game how you want to enjoy it.

[warm chasm]

gonna be real i did not expect you to be normal about this

[small needle]

I dislike the position of ultimine as an expected inclusion in most modern packs because content is necessarily balanced around its inclusion.

[warm chasm]

yeah that's fair, though wdym with balanced around ultimine?

[small needle]

This is fine for people who like it and enjoy it, but crowd out the kind of niche gameplay me and others enjoy.

[small needle]

Being able to break one block at a time at any given point in the pack vs breaking a clump of 64 at a time means a given pack dev has to account for a player being 64x as fast at mining at any given point in a playthrough

[warm chasm]

right but what i mean is like, how would they account for that? by making tools slower?

[small needle]

which means mining needs to be made less lucrative as a resource gathering pathway to account for that increased speed

[warm chasm]

or by making resource requirements larger?

[small needle]

by making resources scarcer

[warm chasm]

ah

[small needle]

or resource requirements larger

[warm chasm]

yeah that's fair

icl i dont play that many modpacks, i've played atm9 no frills, atm10(full), bmc4 and custom packs

so idk how many packs include ultimine

[small needle]

it's hard to swallow "just don't use it if you don't like it" because any competent pack dev will balance the intended experience around a somewhat competent player using all the tools reasonably available to them

[warm chasm]

there's prolly not really a good solution for this

but 2 options come to mind

[small needle]

I've played a decent amount of packs and the trend around the most popular ones, especially kitchen sinks, is that veinmining of some-kind is omnipresent

[warm chasm]

1, you could try to rebalance the pack by removing ultimine and changing resource spawns and requirements

or 2, you could just avoid those modpacks that use ultimine

thats all i can really think of

[small needle]

I tend to do the latter

[warm chasm]

to be fair kitchen sinks arent meant to be balanced

they're power fantasies lol

[small needle]

yeah so I won't hold it against those packs too much

but so many expert-adjacent packs fall into the trap of including it, realizing it makes resource gathering/exploration too easy, and cranking other difficulty knobs instead of just doing without it

because it feels bad not to have it

[warm chasm]

i recommend trying tech or rpg type packs, tho rpg packs are usually kinda bad so idk if theres any good ones

those usually are more balanced

and might not have ultimine

[warm chasm]

can confirm

[small needle]

ultimine is honestly a symptom of a greater issue I have with pack design in general

[warm chasm]

i actually abused ultimine and attribute swapping to mine for ores at no cost and insane speed

so ye -w-

[small needle]

yeah see i get that. I used to play like that.

[warm chasm]

minecraft modding is generally built on being a power fantasy

like all the expert modpacks use a lot of og concepts

[small needle]

Then I'd burn myself after three weeks of gameplay and there was no quick dopamine left

[small needle]

and thats the issue LOL

the og concepts are fundamentally flawed

[warm chasm]

im playing to eventually build an industrial complex, soooo

the og concepts are boring to me

so much tech that has no correlation to real tech

i learned real electrical stuff

[small needle]

oh i meant like the og concepts of the modded scene

[warm chasm]

yeah ik like gregtech n all

like tfym "high voltage" just gimme a number

gimme amps and ohms and arcing and circuits

[small needle]

no i mean like. industrialcraft. minefactory reloaded. the old shit

[warm chasm]

i need realistic electricity qwq

[small needle]

yeah agreed on that

[warm chasm]

ohhhh

i wasnt around that early

i was playin ps3 9 years ago

ps3 minecraft i mean

[small needle]

fair enough yeah i grew up on java edition

[warm chasm]

got into modded in like 2021 or smth

lucky

i always wanted to play java as a kid bc mods

[small needle]

nah shit sucked ass til recently

[warm chasm]

only had a ps3 tho

[small needle]

you got into modded at a good time

[warm chasm]

yeah ik but as a kid mods were so fascinating lol

[humble tree]

y'all getting #off-topic

[small needle]

oh yeah we're in ars zero

lol

[warm chasm]

oop sorry

[humble tree]

but I appreciate being able to post this meme lol

[warm chasm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/884099269253009459/962043354688933960/6656AAA0-A35C-4A81-AF4B-49F208ABC84D.gif

there's ppl in off topic and i dont like groups so ima head out adios

[humble tree]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-im-out-im-gone-disappear-gif-14773411

[lone karma]

How dare you

[small needle]

??

ok first tell me your opinion so I know what im disagreeing with

[lone karma]

Wait wait wait

DMs not here

[radiant inlet]

Projectole + Lingering + sensetive + voxels + few splits
And again in ticking

[humble tree]

Hmmmmm. I'm also struggling with chaining tbh :v I think I might have to do add limitations

[indigo dawn]

Does anyone know what version of ars zero to download for atm 10? Atm has ars nouveau 5.10.6

[indigo dawn]

I'm just a fat chud 😞

[humble tree]

No but that's a fair point, I know a lot of ATM 10 players want to use Ars Zero. I can have a look later

[dreamy monolith]

Basically infinite flight 😈

delay: 20 ticks

[humble tree]

Wait, can't you just update your version of Ars Nouveau too? 👀

[uneven spindle]

With a premade modpack, especially one as big as ATM10, there's a decent chance that breaks something
ESpecially having to figure out updating the other addons

[humble tree]

That's fair. I'm not really sure what I can do though, I would have to downgrade the required dependency on Ars Nouveau. Maybe that would be fine though, I'm not using anything in particular from latest Ars I believe

[uneven spindle]

Also, ATM10 updated a weekish ago
Ars is more up to date, currently on 5.11.1

Unless you've already turned on content management and can't update, Pr0
Cuz in that case, its probably on you to juggle updating things to allow for Ars Zero lmao

[indigo dawn]

Thank you

[indigo dawn]

I haven't tried that but last time I updated a mod, all the other mods that relied on the said mod flipped out and crashed

[indigo dawn]

Really? I will have to update atm 10 then cus ive been playing for about a month and a half or so

[humble tree]

Yeah actually the latest version of ATM 10 has the same version of Ars as Ars Zero does!

[indigo dawn]

It worked!

I updated atm 10 and downloaded ars zero and it works perfectly

[uneven spindle]

Woohoo!

[humble tree]

amazing

[radiant inlet]

Tried to made hollow purple
Sorta hollow purpled my pc

[radiant inlet]

I made voxel that create voxels that can break blocks
And because they will destroy each other for whatever reason is here if i use channeling push i need missle spell with explosion to push them forward
I can't made them to damage something because they just kill themself

But it sorta look like hollow purple just small

😼

[small needle]

everyone always wants to use purple, but never red or blue

[past barn]

Purple is better than red or blue😜

[prisma bolt]

I just learned you can use mousewheel with anchor!

[humble tree]

(hollow) purple IS red and blue

the best of both worlds

[humble tree]

yeah!!

[prisma bolt]

I've been trying to figure out a way to get blocks to launch out a random distance from me or something ike that and I think mousewheel is gonna be the way to go

But were still on an older version of Zero without middle-click/save to shift glyphs around and it's really frustrating to try to develop spells when I constantly have to reset the whole thing, so I'll probably end up waiting until my server updates to really dive in

[humble tree]

smol update, I got a bit lost on fixing chaining itself (for the 2nd time now) but I did bring back block group entities and working on making it "good enough"

I am also working on adding a new biome, but it's related to adding new staves. It'll take a bit and I'll dub this version 2.0.0 as the change will be "breaking" as in, you'd need to start a new world to see the biome (I think?)

Anyway it's gonna be cool ☠️🦴

[small needle]

i know this but this is also a copout

[humble tree]

Fair 🙁

[small needle]

ngl i've been tempted to restart my minecraft phase just to play with your voxels

they look awesome

[prisma bolt]

yeah I need to figure out wtf voxels are and how to play with them. I feel like once Zero clicks in my brain, it's gonna be really awesome

[small needle]

same and im mad the jjkheads tainted my perspective of it

[prisma bolt]

jjkheads?

[small needle]

a casting tool that expands on the spell construction system like the staff does is super intriguing

[small needle]

any number of the spell-crafting posters asking how to make hollow purple/dismantle/domain expansion etc.

[prisma bolt]

I've had many idea in the past about sells with a couple of phases, a setup and primary cast spell, but that would only use the 1st and 3rd rows of the staff. Need to think about stuff for the middle row too

[prisma bolt]

Ohh

[uneven spindle]

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Some day we’ll cruise down blood gulch Avenue

[glacial musk]

Oh my god so facts

I think trying to make a maximum output blue is way more interesting than purple

“Oh boy, big aoe that breaks things”

Vs

“Giant bubble that picks up terrain and you can throw it around at will”

[uneven spindle]

Are blue and red actual abilities in JJK
I didn’t realize that lmao

[glacial musk]

yes lol

they're deadass just called blue and red

ig the full government names would be "cursed technique lapse: blue" and "cursed technique reversal: red" but yeah

Blue attracts things and red pushes them away

[past barn]

I just try to pretend JJK doesn’t exist…😜

[glacial musk]

but they're so strong saying "pushes away" is an understatement

more like
nukes a direction

[glacial musk]

the humble "wrath of god" spell never fails

[uneven spindle]

Love the term “full government names” for abilities lmao

[glacial musk]

also is there any way that I could make this (or something close to it) target players

I wanna see if I can force choke someone

[severe gazelle]

i did red earlier actually

im a fan of the circlet since it resembles a physical superpower the most out of all ars devices

[glacial musk]

I have that, just not equipped rn

[glacial musk]

I was gonna try my hand at that eventually

[severe gazelle]

it looked pretty weird because push and knockback victims just get clipped by 1 block and dont get hurt they just stop

so i might add an aoe break component somewhere

[severe gazelle]

limitless clones in ars are so peak

[severe gazelle]

burst aoe filter player then select?

the ? is because im unsure if ur missing the addon that provides the player filter glyph

also i think its worth getting ray and using that over a projectile

[glacial musk]

dont have ray in this modpack

[balmy root]

Does select just not work on players for some reason? I'm not sure why that wouldn't target players

[glacial musk]

i tried with my friend, it doesn't

the fling works tho

but the select and move around part does not

so you can throw people but you cant hold them

[balmy root]

Wouldn't the problem be anchor

[glacial musk]

well its in the tick phase

so no

(plus it doesnt root them either so )

[severe gazelle]

i think anchoring players is locked by config

[balmy root]

that's the vibe I'm getting

Select can be used on players if the pushing works, but if it isn't pulling them, that just means the anchor isn't working on players

If you do Temporal Context -> Pull -> Launch, it has similar but more erratic effects, and I imagine it works on players

[severe gazelle]

throwback to that time i tried to make limitless in hex casting

in theory everything is possible though its effects arent as tuff

[balmy root]

Real

Is it a known issue that propagate doesn't work very well with anchored voxels

[severe gazelle]

but it takes forever and the time i spend doing that is better spent actually studying for uni

[balmy root]

💯

[severe gazelle]

i wouldnt know ngl

[balmy root]

Fair nuff

[severe gazelle]

voxels are bugged on bsl shaders

so i basically never use them

[balmy root]

Neat

On my end, the propagation just keeps happening where the voxels were first spawned, even when you drag the voxels away

[glacial musk]

what did you do for red
curious

[severe gazelle]

that isnt neat bro voxels are cool i wish i could use them

[severe gazelle]

from my cursory use of them it automatically propagates things after itself once released

and it touches something

which implies it doesnt take kindly to other propagate arguments

[severe gazelle]

so i did near burst aoe

then filtered myself out

[glacial musk]

yeah I dont have self filter

thats why ive been struggling

[severe gazelle]

then did various combinations of leap, push and launch to get a nice looking effect

i added a damage component at some point

[severe gazelle]

i remember knockback not flinging me

try that

[balmy root]

What add-ons do you have

?

I thought Ars Elemental came with filter self

[glacial musk]

nope

[glacial musk]

elemental and zero

[glacial musk]

thats what I was using 😭

[severe gazelle]

its dark then

if i get this group project contribution done in the next 15 mins

ill try and record my version for you

[humble tree]

hey no hating on JJK here. you can hate JK Rowling tho I'll allow that

[uneven spindle]

Joanne Koanne Rowling slander is always appreciate

[humble tree]

next ars zero update gonna include glyph Tengens PowerPoint so u can explain jjk rules to players ingame before obliterating them

jk

[severe gazelle]

nearly 45 mins later im like half done

im tired and i have to go to class in like 6 hours

sorry bro

[past barn]

Not hating on. Just ignoring.😜

[severe gazelle]

just realised tengens powerpoint had more frames than some animes

[past barn]

Wait a minute. JJK has rules?

I thought the whole point of jjk was to just go so over the top that rules are irrelevant.

[humble tree]

how would you know/care if you ignore it :v

but yeah it's littered with rules

like one of the latest episodes had some insane curse technique where the user basically was using constellations as a means of pushing/pulling objects towards/from each other

my brain was melting trying to understand the rules

but I get where you are coming from, I couldn't get through DBZ and Naruto because it was all about "going over the top more and more", from my viewpoint at least

that being said, should make some Naruto glyphs at some point

Sand magic go

[uneven spindle]

Rules probably allow it to get more crazy to some degree lmao
"Here's how this shit works. Wonder how we can make it work more"

[humble tree]

me explaining how ars zero glyphs work. also jjk writer explaining curse rules

[past barn]

There was an episode of Naruto where the characters were fighting to their absolute limit and were slowly losing until one of the characters had the “epiphany” that all they needed to do was to just win instead of lose.🤦🏻‍♂️

[uneven spindle]

Me when the power of friendship

[fervent rain]

Been having fun with this, though some of the propagation is glitchy at best. Also looks like if you gain a new propagation source during tick phase, it overwrites your temporal context? I tried adding revert at end of phase but unfortunately doesn't work.

But a typical pantomine/near cold snap + knock back + extract with the tick phase set to lingering x is great for depopulating an entire FoV

Don't even need fast ticking.

I might try snap + reverse gravity and instead do push + linger on tick. I tried knockback reverse grav but apparently it was too strong or something lmao

I need to look into base ars stuff with spell customization and how to reduce some of the visuals other than just turning down particles.

Game isn't too happy when you turn a 100 degree cone into lingers

Something else I've noticed is that zero is 100% not happy with context happening after tick phase starts.

Is there any chance of us being able to put a delay to the tick phase starting? Or perhaps making it so context can update while tick phase is running?

Granted that might be a bit too much

[past barn]

Makes more sense than some of these anime tropes. I think the line in the Naruto episode was “we’ll win by winning”.

At least the “power of friendship” implies persuading others through kindness.

[uneven spindle]

That cant be the actual line
I know anime dialogue can suck, but oh my god lmao

[past barn]

Their “logic” was that they’d always won before, so if they just won instead of lost then they would win.

[humble tree]

Why not just use in the beginning of tick? Or you mean only once?

[severe gazelle]

you're probably misremembering

naruto is particularly strong writing wise

[humble tree]

All i remember is
"SASUKEEEEE"
"NARUTOOOO"
repeat

[humble tree]

Which propagation is glitchy for you atm? Anything in 'begin' that uses sub resolvers (chaining, burst, others) doesn't work so well yet, and may not for quite some time sry.

[severe gazelle]

i watched a scene of it on a whim last night and was reminded how peak it was

what gets me though is that itachi is framed as a good person

that guys evil man

[past barn]

100% not misremembering. It was said by Rock Lee when Team 3 was struggling against a tough opponent that had them outmatched. Rock Lee basically inspires the others by convincing them that they can win because they’ve always succeeded before, therefore they MUST be able to win now.

(Found it: Shippuden Ep. 28. The actual line is (in the middle of a fight, no less) “I figured out how to beat these guys. We just have to get stronger than we were when we first encountered these guys.”, which was all of twenty minutes previous.)

[humble tree]

I stopped watching a few episodes into Shippuden, it went downhill for me from there. OG season was great though

[past barn]

I liked Shippuden, but it certainly had some…interesting…moments (mechanaruto, for instance)

[fervent rain]

Preferably only once, but I think delay doesn't work because the context is grabbed before the delay, when I tried it.

[fervent rain]

I didn't try using select inside tick but presumably context doesn't change within a phase.

And sorry, I honestly don't recall the exact issues. I do recall that aoe/groups would not allow multiple voxel creation or would act a bit strange

Using propagation Glyphs in general, while "propagators" like snap + shaper are fine

But also a little wonky as like, shaper coldsnap -> voxel, a tick phase anchor still used the ice blocks as context, rather than the voxels

[glacial musk]

It marks objects with numbers 1-5

In order to reach object #5, you must progress linearly (1,2,3,4,5)

otherwise, you will be forcibly pushed back, and any other objects with the same number you have will be attracted to you

I tried

(The reason Kirara was able to throw the car at panda is because someone else (probably hakari) imbued it beforehand)

(so she had setup)

[lone karma]

Gojo’s moment was him literally just dying and then learning how to not die and killing the guy that killed him

[radiant inlet]

There is bug that you need to cast spell with book to update mana pool if you learned new glypths to update it in staff

[tender kernel]

what's the difference between near and pantomine

[humble tree]

Pantomine: "Applies spells to the nearest block in your line of sight. "

Near: resolves right in front of your face, no block nearby needed

[small plank]

Did you enjoy overhead? Now you got head

emh, Face

[humble tree]

Front head? Forward head?

Head++?

[subtle mirage]

Midhead

[deft sentinel]

This happens with the book by itself as well, FWIW. Just learning a glyph doesn't update the mana bar.

[humble tree]

Thanks, then I will not investigate fixing it if it's a problem with base Ars.

Also I cannot unpin or pin messages anymore, as of today. Odd

[compact coral]

Seconding this. Can't pin messages either

[humble tree]

@small plank do you know if permissions were changed for addon chats?

[small plank]

i don't know if there were changes recently

but i can't either

[humble tree]

dayum

[small plank]

Discord fault, permission scheme changed

[young scroll]

Can you try right-click the message, use apps -> source librarian "Pin in Thread"?

[humble tree]

Sweet

Thanks!!

[young scroll]

CC: @compact coral

[fervent rain]

So, yall come up with any better mining spells?

Best I've gotten so far that isn't nightmare laggy is to use underfoot -> cold snap -> push + extract (tried to add knockback +extract as well to reduce density directly underfoot but can't get it right) to basically scatter a whole circular area with propagators, then throwing linger with break/extract/pickup.

I tried seeing if I could launch the blocks downwards to propagate the lingers faster, but had poor luck.

Projectile prop doesn't work right, though is good for a guaranteed blast straight to bedrock.

[subtle mirage]

unsure if this is a known issue or something yet to be implemented but you cant look up the documentation page of an item without the base ars spellbook in your inventory even if you have an ars zero spell staff in your inventory

[prisma bolt]

Oh like they spawn aiming downwards no matter what direction your player is looking?

[fervent rain]

They also all spawn in their initial position and don't update to follow the blocks.

Or the lingers ☠️

Linger and other blue propagation Glyphs are fine, and will update to their new source correctly.

So near, cold snap push to start and then tickphase linger + violence will basically shotgun out dozens and dozens of linger fields

It's my "fuck this direction in general" spell

[prisma bolt]

nice

i don't have energy to play with zero but my server just updated, so i want to start playing both with mining spells, and just silly spells

[fervent rain]

Unfortunately linger can't be augmented to fall faster and is basically the only good tickphase propagator available afaict

[prisma bolt]

Ahh faster falling would be a cool augment

I guess the best match would be amplify? Though tbh I think amplify should be ignore gravity, dampen should be bonus gravity

[fervent rain]

Theoretically you could do aoe break -> reset -> block -> gravity but I think that would screw the temporal context up and also not sure if it would even fit in 10 glyphs

@humble tree really how does the temporal context work within the tick phase? Can it update?

[humble tree]

What do you mean by update?

[fervent rain]

Can the location/entity/block that temporal context retrieves change from tick phase to tick phase, or is it locked to whatever it was when the tick phase started?

[humble tree]

It's only meant to be set once from the begin phase and not updated again further

That being said the logic is not very clean at the moment, didn't get around to successfully refactoring it without breaking things

[glacial musk]

Do you happen to know what it might be under? I was looking around the other day in the config and couldn’t find anything like this

[humble tree]

Not by heart sorry 🙁 there should be a general config for ars zero. Won't be at a computer to see for many hours still

[glacial musk]

Yeah, I was combing through the zero config and must have missed it 😔 ty for trying thooo

[humble tree]

ALLOW_BLOCK_GROUP_CREATION

Found it on GitHub 😄

[glacial musk]

I’ll check when I get home ty ty 😎

[glacial musk]

what is it under? I can't seem to find it in the list (maybe im just blind)

all I have is anchor_effect

[humble tree]

The general config

[glacial musk]

I went

Server folder -> config -> ars zero

Was that the wrong path?

[small plank]

the ars_zero folder is prob. just for glyphs config

there should be one or more ars_zero.toml files in config without entering that folder

[dreamy monolith]

Just an idea: Ur thoughts about merging convergence with split to increase the amount of splits?

[humble tree]

not sure what that means :v

[dreamy monolith]

idk either 😅 I just thought that split was very limited rn. So essentially, you can increase the amount of times a "split" glyph splits based on sustaining a convergence

[humble tree]

i don't really understand. technically i don't think that's possible

[warm chasm]

i think they mean, if you do like

start: [convergence] [propagate projectile]

tick[1 tick]: [temporal context] [sustain]

then holding the cast button charges split via convergence to make more projectiles the longer you hold it

doesnt make much sense to me, but oh well

[humble tree]

sounds like a very fast way to destroy your computer from all the projectile particle spam lol

[ocean acorn]

Reminds me of another game a large quantities of projectiles was a problem too... Though in this context projectiles only applied damage to enemies in that game.
Apparently if you have enough of projectiles, game doesn't render some of them for optimization purposes, but they still do what they are supposed to - damage.

I wonder if that could be something that base Ars could adapt... Though since projectiles do a lot more things than just magically punch stuff - might not be feasible...

Besides - Ars isn't the only mod that suffers from overloading with projectiles - the base game in very specific scenarios also could be laggy because of the entity count.

That being said - some kind of optimization that turns hefty amount of similar or identical projectiles invisible when a lot of them are close to each other could be potentially beneficial.

Of course rendering is only half of the battle - there is also all the possible interactions with everything else in the world.

[humble tree]

I think Alex said it well before, that part of the biggest issue is generating a large amount of entities in a short time. I think it's not necessarily terrible in this case but depends.

To me it also sounds like "I want to create projectiles every tick" which you can kind of already do?

If convergence means it should make an exponential amount of projectiles, then you will definitely run into some server killing issues really quickly

[small plank]

Rendering is the least of the issues

Spawning and managing all the entities collisions tend to be what weights down the server

I'm not sure how other games work, but everything needs to be done by a single core and synced between client and server each 1/20 of second

[humble tree]

Depends what you set the projectile particle count to and what kind of mods (and options) you got installed.

but yes, killing the server is definitely worse than killing the client :v

[small plank]

Particles can be culled

If there are too many, there are probably some limiters somewhere

Weirdly enough, with explosions and thunders I've managed to stalemate the server keeping the client alive. With the sound queue basically committing seppuku

It was a time where chain could be used twice in a spell

[dreamy monolith]

The idea came from the concept that the longer you held the convergence, the most the spell splits. For example, the summon undead, a single tick will summon 4, but with more ticks you converge, the number of splits increase, hence, the more summons i can create. Its not exactly creating a new project per tick, rather, the convergence determines how many times its splits

its a little confusing, i get that. Maybe its not suited to work like this. Idk, i just had an idea

[lone karma]

So, I made this spell, and I was wondering if there's any way that temporal context could continue to strike the enemy with lightning instead of where the enemy was when I hit them

[humble tree]

Huhmm yes I think there's some funky bug/interaction with ray, never got around to fixing/investigating that either 🫠

[humble tree]

💀 🪄

[delicate venture]

ray>select on first track
context>lightning

[lone karma]

thx

[vital flare]

I noticed that the glyphs aren't displaying correctly. I think 3 glyphs don't fit at the end of each page.
And the element icon isn't displayed. I hope you'll add this for convenience. 🥲

[humble tree]

Work progresses. I've definitely entered a feature creep territory but oh well. Some info about it:

I'm adding a new Withered Archwood biome, along with a Necropolis structure, which has new mobs; Acolyte, Warlock, Lich. They're tiered skeletal mages.

I wanted to have some more magic related enemies, some more anima content and a guaranteed place to loot the upcoming "static" staff items (like Staff of Telekinesis, but many more versions)

Obviously this takes quite some time to put all the pieces together. I still a bit more work to do on the biome, and the structure has a long way to go still 😅 I'm adding kinds of corrupted source stone blocks for the purpose.

Anyways, just checking in 🐌

[subtle mirage]

i have made a funny spell

mageblock minigun

[warm chasm]

this gives me an idea

what if we could modify mageblocks with other glyphs similarly to voxels

like makes magic magma, sets things on fire on impact and explodes

or makes a fat icicle that does normal damage and applies freeze

could make a solid magelight block with its own aesthetic similar to sealanterns and glowstone and such

with amplify its permanent

[humble tree]

but isn't this just slightly larger versions of voxels? or what's the difference?

we don't have a 'light' voxel that's true though

[subtle mirage]

light voxel just flashbangs players

https://tenor.com/view/flash-bang-flashbang-cat-bright-my-eyes-gif-2811917796869037070

[severe gazelle]

💡

[glacial musk]

Can someone give me a/some base spell format(s) for how to use voxels? I wanna mess around with them but I cant seem to make them work for me

I wanna try and do something basic like a spirit bomb before I get into anything crazy

[humble tree]

This one's nice

You can create a voxel like this then hold down use, and with the scroll wheel you can control where to teleport to

[subtle mirage]

how does mana drain work with the 3 phases because ive noticed that multiphase spells consume more mana on tick than a spell with just the ticking phase

i just tried the spell above which has 30 mana per tick vs another one that has 55 mana per tick but is only the ticking phase and the 55 mana spell drains significantly slower

[fervent rain]

Might be a mod pack issue, but just checking, has anyone else had issues with tick phase timing being utterly wrong? 10 tick delay will chaingun out like 4+ spells/second, instead of 2.

[subtle mirage]

what are you using

[subtle mirage]

anyway i made a razorblade spell

[fervent rain]

Added zero to ATM 10.

[subtle mirage]

what spell?

[fervent rain]

I want to say it's every spell that I've tried with 10 ticks delay. Most recent was ray + sensitive -> select, and the tick phase was temporal, grow and harvest

[humble tree]

No, I think you're not wrong. I recently fixed it but I didn't realease it yet, I'm on a branch that has all the new biome stuff, so it's still cookin

[fervent rain]

Ahhh okay. Cool, thanks!

[tender kernel]

can anyone tell me the point of voxel cuz i really don't understand

i figured out im just dumb

[humble tree]

the power of the rubber duck

[tender kernel]

does anyone has good shaders that work with this mod because with mine i can't see voxels or magic circles

[humble tree]

You need to enable/allow custom shaders in your shader options

[glacial musk]

Tyy

[tender kernel]

how do i do that

[humble tree]

I don't know because it depends on what shaders you're using. Try asking in #general-and-help , probably someone can guide you there 🙇‍♂️

[small plank]

CRTL+G

in the shader selection screen

[tender kernel]

not trying to glaze but they should add this mod to the essentials cuz it's game changer

[severe gazelle]

im so surprised they didnt add zero's stuff to base ars

[subtle mirage]

If anything im surprised elemental isnt apart of base ars

Its practically essential for any ars playthrough

[humble tree]

This very much. But also bear in mind that from an addon dev perspective, while that would be respectable, it wouldn't necessarily be in their interest. You have full control over your addon, you don't once it is in the base mod.

You also get some CurseForge money for you addon

[humble tree]

does anyone have tips on how to say 'no' better 😭

[uneven spindle]

Hey zero

Are you uh

Ever gonna port it to 1.20?

[small plank]

"it relies on some api functionalities that were not yet available on 1.20.1" ?

regardless of if that's true or not

i don't even remember 1.20.1 at this point

[uneven spindle]

It was the version that changed the functionality of Cold Snap and Flare

Also, going off that screenshot

Some people are aware that it’s not getting a port. They will, however, still complain about it and I don’t think you can stop people from complaint on the internet lmao

[small plank]

i got request of porting morph to 1.20 when the desc mentions that it's the successor of Scalaes, doing the same things in that ver

[uneven spindle]

People are so smart lmao

[humble tree]

Someone also asked for a 1.19 port and said they would pay. So I agreed, but I will only settle for 100 million dollars

[delicate venture]

do it for the vine

[west apex]

Question im a huge fan of the custom spells designs you can make in ars nouveau and i see that in ars zero is there a way we could get a clear button to wipe a spells design back to factory?

[humble tree]

If you happen to have an empty spell slot you can copy it and paste it, it will wipe all the 3 spell phases then

[west apex]

Did not know you could copy and paste good to know thank you

Ok wait real quick just to make sure were on the same page were you refering to image 1 or image 2

[west apex]

Thats what the confusion was i was more so referring to 🥇

[primal sun]

I really can't understand why someone would ask for reverse porting. 1.20.1 has nothing to hold on to anymore, and ARS are all at 1.21.1

[uneven spindle]

There are mods that may not be available in 1.21

1.20 seems to be the major modding version at the moment, a large chunk of the time I see a new pack gain traction, its 1.20

[primal sun]

1.21.1 is about to become mainstream, and all mainstream mods are porting to 1.21.1

[strange salmon]

is the psions circlet just a better version of the archmage spell staff

since its easier to craft, no need to hold it as a item and can be used as a curios slot

or am i missing something

[humble tree]

kind of i suppose

right now at least

but won't be in next version : )

because the circlet will not allow you to change filials

[strange salmon]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

[uneven spindle]

Filials :0?

[humble tree]

Yeeees

Coming. This summer

Okay hopefully this spring :V fingers crossed

[glacial musk]

just respond with this gif:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248032193603833927/1287990544668033036/IMG_0309.gif

[devout jewel]

Always here for help. Been getting 1.21 requests since day 1 🫃

[subtle mirage]

just gaslight
them into thinking theres already a 1.20 port

https://giphy.com/gifs/don-qui-limbus-company-quixote-BNWr3cTbLEughtlPUd

[zenith stream]

bump

[humble tree]

What on earth is this

Reminds me of ...

[compact coral]

those do NOT give me the same vibe at ALL lol

[uneven spindle]

They do not lmao

[uneven spindle]

That guy kinda makes me think of the spider from that one bug cartoon

This fucken thing

Not as similar now that I see the spider dude

[patent edge]

any ideas for spells involving water or ice voxels? right now all i can manage to do is throw them lol

[humble tree]

to be honest, I mostly had in mind to throw around voxels 😆

please do not try to eat voxels

[humble tree]

this might be even more cursed, thanks

[uneven spindle]

You’re welcome! Always happy to help

[uneven spindle]

Oh
Uh
Are they poisonous
Is it bad to eat them
Asking for a friend

[humble tree]

blight voxel i heard is very delicious

[uneven spindle]

I wouldn’t know, haven’t tried it
hurt noise
hurt noise
hurt noise
hurt noi-

[patent edge]

makes sense, would it be possible to give the thrown voxels effects as if they were a projectile glyph? and is it possible to combine types of voxels?

[primal sun]

I hope there will be a combination of "voxels" and "Convergence"

Allow players to use "Convergence" to create larger and more powerful "voxels".

[zenith stream]

fire voxel+ convergence = METEOR

[past barn]

I don’t consider Zero an “essential” addon simply because it is such a large power scale increase.

Definitely one of the top quality supplemental addons though.

[humble tree]

honestly I think the most OP thing might be anchor

[restive oyster]

Doesn't the staff remove Iframes?

[zenith stream]

Nope

[restive oyster]

Oh huh. I was under the impression that it did

Then where's the power difference?

[zenith stream]

Very fast casting

[restive oyster]

I mean I can cast faster with a spell book and my mouse?

100 clicks a second

[zenith stream]

Technically
Yea

[restive oyster]

So same difference

:b

[zenith stream]

Have you tried out the mod yet?

[restive oyster]

Yes

[zenith stream]

It's got a more complicated spell crafting system

[restive oyster]

True
But not "stronger"

Just different

[zenith stream]

Fair enough
I agree

[humble tree]

Only Beam skips iframes

[restive oyster]

Lyrellion makes it out to be super power and lumps it in with trinkets

[zenith stream]

[restive oyster]

The skipping Iframes is where it gets strong af

[humble tree]

But as pointed out before, the damage output from Beam is nothing insane, vanilla Ars can do as much DPS already

[humble tree]

Yeah I don't think it's on this level. In fact I had to rely on trinkets to get the amount of mana regen I needed for some of the powerful stuff 🤷‍♂️

[zenith stream]

Beam is straight dmg?

[humble tree]

What would un-straight damage be?

[zenith stream]

A form I suppose

Or anything that doesn't directly do dmg

[humble tree]

beam is an effect that summons an entity which does damage and skips i-frames, but the damage+skipping is the beam damage itself, the passed subresolver does not skip i frames (e.g. if you give it a , this one does not skip iframes)

[zenith stream]

So yea
Strong but not scalable

[prisma bolt]

it should synergize with hex as far as i can tell, so it can be buffed a bit more

[errant storm]

even without i-frame skipping I do 32,000 dps with the staff using a beam based spell. so still very strong and fun

given im in vibranium armor so i have a lot of spell power

but even in the air mage gear i was doing 8k-10k dps

[past barn]

Taught my daughter how to use a Archmage Staff...this might have been a mistake...😂

[zenith stream]

I'm hearing boss 🎵
But the boss is already dead! Ho-
Oh...

[humble tree]

https://tenor.com/view/steamed-hams-aurora-borealis-what-is-happening-fagetti-wtf-gif-16514726

Still working on undead stuff here. Made a bone golem and worked more on the rooms that appear in the necropolis

I also thought about Flesh Golem but it's gonna be too gross maybe :v

Acolytes and necromancers use mana to perform rituals at an ossuary beacon to summon skeletons and zombies

[fervent rain]

Everyone with their flashy boom zippers, no one appreciates the simple lethality of a half second beam that oneshots a piglich

[zenith stream]

here me out
me mix your mining method with this spell setup

i wanna see that

it would be funny

[muted oriole]

Hi! I just found this mod and I absolutely love it, but there seems to be some rendering issues when I cast spells over water. Is this just a me thing?

Picture for reference

[zenith stream]

hmmm
yea thats def an error

[muted oriole]

Glad I'm not hallucinating... Guess I'll just wait until it gets fixed.

[humble tree]

I would loooove to fix it

But I do not know how to

I have this issue with all models that use transparency

[small plank]

Transparency in Minecraft has issues that are not for mere mortals to solve

Fabulous might or not fix it, it changes the transparency calcs iirc

[humble tree]

What's fabulous?

[small plank]

The other setting aside fancy and fast

Has a different transparency sorting and few extra other things that some resourcepack can use

[primal sun]

A new idea, "Convergence" + " " to produce Flame Strike, just like in Warcraft III
The skill of Blood Mage

"Convergence" + " "make Blizzard

[zenith stream]

seeing how it requires elemental

flame strike then
for METEOR
(i want a meteor)

[primal sun]

lol