Ars nouveau and Enigmatic legacy Vs Eidolon and Forbidden & Arcanus

[royal remnant]

My friend is saying that he can beat me with eidolon and FA and I'm telling him that I can beat him with just ars nouveau, I need help to create the best spells I can, without any ars addon and version 1.20.1.

[remote sluice]

Define beat

[royal remnant]

I kill him

[thick flame]

nice

You can use this to stack him forever

[remote sluice]

The thing I don't like about these is that I don't know how "fair" you want

Because a simple projectile blink can send him to the void

[royal remnant]

it can be that

[royal remnant]

Thanks

[thick flame]

but be carefull

It makes a lot of lags

[remote sluice]

Blink will send your target to a warp scroll in your offhand. Set it whatever you like in that same dimension

[thick flame]

I teleport my friends in obsidian box

[royal remnant]

I didn't knew that was a thing, thanks

[remote sluice]

Maybe you use vanilla to break bedrock, flight ritual to fly down below and set the scroll. Then come back up and patch your hole.

Maybe you set the scroll to be directly in an end portal with a delayed knockback and gravity/extend to drop them

Maybe it's a kill chamber

Maybe it's spawn

That's my usual answer to PVP because I don't do pvp without specific rules spelled out

If you want a fun fight, you'll need a few spells. Movement can be self leap or other options. Maybe self leap and projectile accelerate blink so you can warp forward

[royal remnant]

I'll probably try to teleport him in an obsidian box in the ocean monument

[remote sluice]

Warp scroll in offhand, if you miss, it'll teleport you to the spot your spell hit, not the scroll

[royal remnant]

actually wait, that wouldn't work, because we have a mod with a teleporter to the spawn

[flat zealot]

I wonder what would be his setup to claim that

Is Apotheosis involved?

[royal remnant]

me too

[royal remnant]

no

[remote sluice]

What's your teleport to spawn system?

[flat zealot]

So no homing split glass hand wand strat I guess

[royal remnant]

heartstone from the mod Gadgets against grind

[flat zealot]

Last time I saw F&A it only had the op armors so I can't really thing

[remote sluice]

Is there a cooldown on it?

Because blink delay 7 blink is an option

[royal remnant]

no

[flat zealot]

The 80% magic damage resist of warlock armor would be good against Ars

[remote sluice]

Blink. They think they've got you beat, and use the teleport. Just in time for the second

[flat zealot]

If they know the blink void, they'd use an anchoring potion

[remote sluice]

Fair yeah. Can always just spam cheap spells. I still think proj firework is best cost per damage

But against armor it doesn't do much besides lower fps

Even with a 7 star rocket in your hotbar

[royal remnant]

I think the best way would be to make the blink and then while he's in the ocean monument box I build another box with gale stone from aether in his spawn

[remote sluice]

Anchoring potion... Is it a standard potion?

Because blink gravity extend time delay infuse could be a fun one

Blink them, then infuse with anchoring so they can't teleport

[flat zealot]

Yes, brewable

[royal remnant]

what does the anchoring do?

[flat zealot]

Like Elemental's Enderference, prevents teleporting

[royal remnant]

oh, ok

I know what to do, I'll make that obsidian box in the ocean with the anchoring and then while he's stuck there I'll summon a wilden chimera at spawn inside a box of gale stone from aether, so when he teleports it'll be basically dead

[remote sluice]

Warp to small box. Maybe 5x5x5. Either infuse with anchoring, or redstone to splash them

Then start the block placers that create dozens of withers, so that when they spawn, they touch a warp portal that sends them into the box as well

[royal remnant]

ok, good idea

[remote sluice]

Can probably detect the arrival with skulk sensors

[royal remnant]

Does anyone have more ideas?

[tender orchid]

Enigmatic legacy cube is absolutely wildly op

Do you have the relics mod?

[royal remnant]

I'm trying to get the heart of creation

[tender orchid]

You can get some crazy numbers if you use something like harm cannon + berserker gloves

[tender orchid]

isnt that a creative only thihng?

or are you playing on a custom modpack

[royal remnant]

yes

[royal remnant]

custom

[tender orchid]

Ah cool

well if u get the heart of creation, you basically won

[royal remnant]

I know

[tender orchid]

Im not really familiar with f&a or eidolon, is there anythign you need to look out for with them

[royal remnant]

I'll try that

[tender orchid]

Basically any iframe skip spell

[royal remnant]

there's only this in relics

[tender orchid]

i think its called the berserker gloves sorry

[royal remnant]

oh, I already have that

[tender orchid]

Oh cool

[tender orchid]

what can f&a and eidolon do?

[royal remnant]

it's called rage gloves

I don't know exactly, but it doesn't look too OP

[tender orchid]

Ah ok

[royal remnant]

this question will look stupid, but how do I make the harm cannon in 1.20.1? @tender orchid

[robust bobcat]

Hey, guy who made harm cannon here!
You make it like i specified in the thread. You need ars trinkets (optional), ars elemental and NEG or TMG for it

[tender orchid]

Yea, what lava said
Just linking the thread in case #1222573197619101728 message

If you dont have the right addons, try the throngler

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[austere plaza]

Hmm... if you have Enigmatic Legacy, along with Eidolon and Forbidden and Arcanus, and he has advanced enough in said mods, he will probably have high magic resistance, resistance to projectiles, access to reserve healing and if he has the non-euclidean cube, resistance to all negative effects, environmental damage, as well as the ability to teleport in case of near death, he can also fly with the Eidolon cloak, so the void trick probably won't work if he has the teleport potion.

On the other hand, in terms of damage, I think he'll have access to a few projectile-firing staves, nothing too fancy, and the ability to summon undead, with some expertise powerful ones, but I don't think there was much else coming from those mods.

And before I forget, he can apply negative effects whenever he takes damage and he can't die from one hit.

[lean junco]

enigmatic legacy has overpowered melee weapons

I recommend just using ranged purely

as none of the things I know in enigmatic legacy is good at ranged pvp

Might aswell just use a ton of AoE

if you're not that good at aiming

[austere plaza]

Right, I never use melee, so I always so I always forget they exist. But the most powerful ones are behind the ring of seven curses, which doubles all damage received as well as reducing armor, among other effects, so you have that in your favor if he's using it. Although the cube will block all damage that exceeds 100 points, so you have to adjust the damage.

Probably the best thing would be to have damage that ignores iframes and not be considered projectile to avoid protections.

That or simply beat him in psychological warfare, pushing him, burying him or throwing him across the world map.

[royal remnant]

fistly thanks to @robust bobcat and @tender orchid

[royal remnant]

what I said is that I have enigmatic legacy, he doesn't

as well as I don't have the eidolon or F&A

[austere plaza]

In that case the balance is much more in your favor.

Use ranged spells, apply Hex and Snare to increase the damage taken and make it harder for him to get close to you.

[royal remnant]

I have relics that give me speed

[austere plaza]

And using Reactive and heal in your armor can probably restore most of the damage he can do.

Maybe he could try to attack you from distance with the archangel ring but probably moving fast can avoid that damage too.

Or using could distract the Archangel ring from targeting you.

[tender orchid]

if you have alex mobs, a really good trick is to get a warp scroll set under the void and in the world border

[arctic belfry]

Wasn't the unstable warp scroll capable of blinking others to coordinates of other dimensions?

[arctic belfry]

What about Reactive Armor or sword with the Blink spell?

In other words if you touch me you get banished lol

[arctic belfry]

Rage gloves ramp up damage the more you hit the opponent.

In other words hit your opponent more and your damage will increase tremendously, but on the off hand be prepared since you'll take more damage in return

[remote sluice]

Reactive contains no targeting from base ars. If you're looking directly at the attacker, it'll just blink you forward when you get hit

[arctic belfry]

What mod is the anchoring potion from?

[austere plaza]

There is a potion of anchoring in Eidolon, which prevents the glyph from working, but the scrolls still work.

It is three minutes long by default, but can be extended to eight minutes, not including external modifiers.

[keen shadow]

enigmatic legacy already gives you a MASSIVE leg up

with the cube

but i don't know enough about eidolon or F&A to comment on em

[tender orchid]

I’ve been experimenting with them recently and they are way underpowered when compared to enigmatic