#Simulmancy

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hard sparrow
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But it's nice to have some of the restrictions, makes me feel like more of an engineer about it

hard sparrow
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Fuck yeah

wind cypress
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i guess you could say

granite lava
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combine this with a villager phylactery

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turn yourself into a human corruption battery

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become the plaguebringer

limber field
oak nimbus
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Pft, you can get infinite mana using base Ars.

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Void Jar and pickup rune.

normal fjord
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Chat

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What does simulmancy mean

cunning field
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Simul from simil: likewise
Simulmancy is the art of creating copies of one self to further expand one's magical firepower

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We use summon_decoy to create dummies, which will recast any spell their creator casts on themselves, while wearing the summon_focus .

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Basic example:

  • Create some dummies with projectilesummon_decoy
  • Have them all explode by casting selfexplosion
modern owl
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how are you putting randomize on delay

deft heath
lean geyser
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YAY

modern owl
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so what exactly does delay + randomize do

cunning field
deft heath
vale drift
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I'm trying to recreate these really cool and awesome spells in a modpack I'm playing right now in singleplayer. However some glyphs are disabled like Burst and Wall, are there any combinations that doesn't use those 2?

turbid oriole
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Kinda? I mean there's projectilelingersensitiveaoeconjure_mageblockorbitsplitsensitivesummon_decoylaunch

granite lava
vale drift
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I'll keep note of these

granite lava
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the one above has some weird inclusions and ineffeciencies i'm not a big fan of

turbid oriole
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I just grabbed the first one I saw that didn't have burst or wall.

granite lava
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some variation of this with linger sensitive instead of wall

vale drift
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Need summoner focus for all these yeah

granite lava
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nope

vale drift
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Ah

granite lava
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basic propagator spells dont need a summoners focus

vale drift
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But would it make it better

granite lava
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summoners focus is for spells you want to propagate using self

granite lava
vale drift
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Unfortunate

granite lava
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not really

vale drift
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I'm still learning

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New mod for me

granite lava
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it serves a different purpose

vale drift
granite lava
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Well, welcome! I'm glad my little school of magic piqued your interest :)

vale drift
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3 hours worth of reading of the threads here in this spell crafting channel

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I fell in love

granite lava
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i had a similar experience

vale drift
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After I'm gone with my current modpack

turbid oriole
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M87, this is a cesspool filled with LEGALIZE NUCLEAR BOMBS typa nonsense. It's my favorite place on the internet.

vale drift
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I wanna do another one with all the ars nouveau stuff

granite lava
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i've been enjoying atm10 a lot as an ars pack

granite lava
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doing a challenge run with as many restrictions as I can reasonably apply

vale drift
granite lava
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i'm still learning new things about ars at a breakneck pace

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i'm also kind of dumb. so.

vale drift
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I'm playing with a multi-player group also a mage

granite lava
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my breakneck pace is like your average mage's brisk walking speed

vale drift
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But I have my own singleplayer world to test studd

granite lava
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honestly, enjoy your current pack's main offerings

turbid oriole
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Tbh im just using Ars to make a no-automation run of MI less torturous.

granite lava
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learn everything you can to the fullest

vale drift
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Cus God there's so much Ars nouveau stuff to learn compared to every other mod in this modpack

granite lava
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and when you're done, you have a whole new plate full of goodies to dig into

vale drift
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Gonna play one with every Ars add-on when I finish this

granite lava
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i'd advise against that LOL

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not all the ars addons are good

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i think for 1.21 the vast majority are

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but older versions have some landmines

vale drift
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But it's fun creating destruction beyond human comprehension

granite lava
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oh wait RAD2 is 1.16.5

vale drift
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Yeah

granite lava
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do not touch 1.16.5 ars

vale drift
granite lava
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burst and wall aren't disabled

vale drift
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Alot of stuff missing here

granite lava
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they arent there

vale drift
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Dsmn

fallow lilyBOT
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@vale drift

Differences in 1.16.5

1.16.5 has a very old version of Ars Nouveau. Many people would argue that the mod today is completely different to the mod back then.

Glyph Press

In 1.16.5 the Glyph Press is used instead of the Scribe's Table to create glyphs. Use JEI to check the Glyph recipes.

Numeric Mana

Ars Instrumentum is not available in 1.16.5. The numeric mana functionality originated in Ars Enderstorage, which unfortunately requires the Enderstorage mod which may not be so easy to add to your modpack.

Containment Jars

Containment Jars don't exist in this version, so you'll need to contain mobs in a different way. If you have Create then their Seats work well.

Glyphs

1.16.5 has some glyphs that aren't in modern versions and there are plenty of glyphs that aren't available in 1.16.5, you'll need to check which glyphs you have available in order to try specific spells.

Knowledge

Glyphs are stored within the book in 1.16.5, not on the player themselves. If you lose your book, you lose all your glyphs. It's recommended to make a backup of your glyphs by scribing your glyphs into a novice spellbook.

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Please raise an issue with @upper rivet

vale drift
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Yeah I had to figure all these out myself

granite lava
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you poor thing

vale drift
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I was very confused when I watched like s

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A 90 minutes modern Ars Nouveau guide

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Then when I got back on RAD2

granite lava
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even when i was playing 1.18.2 3 years ago it was considered old then

vale drift
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I couldn't make glyphs on the scribes table

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I'm having alot of fun with my friends in this modpack regardless though

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I'm just

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So damn weak

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Compared to the others

granite lava
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old versions are hard to play for me

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because I enjoy community theorycrafting as you can tell

vale drift
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Yep

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I see you alot in other threads as well

granite lava
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and old versions just arent maintained, developed

vale drift
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During my readings

granite lava
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i'm predisposed to yapping

vale drift
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That All Is Dust spell is also on my bucket list

granite lava
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1.21 is waiting for you with open arms, mage

turbid oriole
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Mira's creation? Yeah, that one's delightful.

vale drift
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So true

vale drift
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And Nullify

granite lava
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mira is consistently one of my favourite mages around here

turbid oriole
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Burst is so much fun.

granite lava
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but zieg and qther also blow my mind regularly

vale drift
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Cus I noticed all the big funny spells use either/both of wall and burst

turbid oriole
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Honestly, cut is one of my favs

granite lava
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yeah i've entered a bit of a postmodern spellcrafting kick where i try not to use them

vale drift
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I dunno how to adapt cut into a damaging spell

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I originally saw it and in RAD2 a few days ago

granite lava
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modern ars makes it easier with new interactions that don't rely as much on propagation multipliers

vale drift
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And was wondering if I can make slashes like Sukuna from JJK

granite lava
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it relies a lot on being a cheap source of damage that procs modern thread effects

turbid oriole
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Is there a status effect thing it can trigger?

vale drift
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It is very simple rn yeah

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Although

vale drift
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I say I'm extremely weak compared to my friends in terms of power

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But I do have a bit of a card I play

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Some enchants can be applied onto Harm

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With a Spartan weapon in my main hand and spell book in my off-hand

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Some weapon enchantments can be applied and multiplied on Harm

granite lava
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FELLOW OFFHAND SPELLBOOK ENJOYER

vale drift
granite lava
vale drift
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My goat

granite lava
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WHAT THE FUCK IS A TORCH/SHIELD/FOOD ITEM/ENDER PEARL

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🗣️

vale drift
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A cheap harm spell that does like 8 dmg

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Can be multiplied to do like

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A thousand damage

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Per cast

granite lava
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that's - huh.

vale drift
granite lava
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Maybe start a thread going into it

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i dont remember old ars being able to scale numbers that hard

vale drift
granite lava
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but its been a bit

granite lava
vale drift
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And it interacts with enchants from other mods

granite lava
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it's something novel

vale drift
granite lava
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not everything posted here has to be useful

vale drift
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Where do I make the thread

granite lava
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just in #1063650997135757393

vale drift
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I'll make it when I'm free and post some screenshots

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It's not just enchantments

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The Spartan weaponry+their material bonus

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Are also applied to the harm spell

granite lava
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thats really interesting actually

vale drift
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For example silver weaponry gives 200% damage against undead

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So holding a silver weapon while casting harm spell would make it do 16

granite lava
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i wonder if this is the same property that applies looting to spells if you have looting weapons in your main hand

vale drift
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I didn't know that looting also works

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Didn't try that

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Some enchants that can boost Harm spel

granite lava
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#general-and-help message

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i didnt consider that other enchantments could also apply

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other than looting

turbid oriole
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selfharm for backdash? (Knockback II)

granite lava
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this isn't a rabbit hole I intend on exploring LMAO
not yet

vale drift
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koharuwheeze fair

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Got a little off topic but still fun stuff with Ars

vale drift
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Unlocking more glyphs still gives more mana in 1.16 Ars right

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I should work on that

turbid oriole
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Well new human, I think you may have a project to work on for your AAC (Associate Arcanist Certification)

vale drift
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Gotta get my mage mark

granite lava
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they say academia is an ivory tower for a reason

turbid oriole
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I prefer to make mine from Archwood

vale drift
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It already took like a whole day worth of grinding to get like 6 enchants on my silver saber

granite lava
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whats the bottleneck, experience?

vale drift
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My Harm spell now deals a whole lotta damage

vale drift
granite lava
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1.16.5 has perfectly functional enderman grinders

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if you remove XP as the bottleneck you can just churn out books

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or sacrificial golden swords for the increased enchantability

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and then strip the enchants off em

vale drift
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And in our group

granite lava
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ahh

vale drift
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We have like 15 total people playing

granite lava
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well you don't need to kill the dragon

vale drift
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I'm the main mage guy

granite lava
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you just need to get to the end

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and escape the end island to the void

vale drift
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But I'll die

vale drift
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Dying is not the problem

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Not keeping the stuff I got is the problem

granite lava
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yeah i'm just teasing

vale drift
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Mainly the grinded exp

granite lava
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are there no waystone equivalents?

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I don't know if 1.16.5 has crossdim warp portals

vale drift
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Yeah there's waystones

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But no way they warp through dimensions tf

turbid oriole
turbid oriole
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Do it again.

granite lava
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without dying or killing the dragon

vale drift
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Yeah

turbid oriole
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Ah

vale drift
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Well dying is fine

turbid oriole
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

vale drift
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Getting the stuff across the dimension is more the problem

granite lava
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yeah

turbid oriole
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XP vaults?

granite lava
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oh yeah true

turbid oriole
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Ender Chests.

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Shulkers and Ender Chests.

granite lava
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do all the enchanting in the end

vale drift
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ENDER CHESTS

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HAHAHAHA

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HAHAHAHAH

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COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT ENDER CHESTS

granite lava
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now you're in business

vale drift
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Alright chat

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Let me cook

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Later when I'm home

turbid oriole
vale drift
turbid oriole
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Nah

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Just words

vale drift
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Im back home and I'm testing all the spell combos I've learned

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I'm in a new singleplayer world creative mode

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Like everything can't be done

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For that one Orbit is a form

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And for the all is dust I can't put propagate arc in the middle

granite lava
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yeah like i was saying

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1.16.5 is

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well

fallow lilyBOT
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@vale drift

Differences in 1.16.5

1.16.5 has a very old version of Ars Nouveau. Many people would argue that the mod today is completely different to the mod back then.

Glyph Press

In 1.16.5 the Glyph Press is used instead of the Scribe's Table to create glyphs. Use JEI to check the Glyph recipes.

Numeric Mana

Ars Instrumentum is not available in 1.16.5. The numeric mana functionality originated in Ars Enderstorage, which unfortunately requires the Enderstorage mod which may not be so easy to add to your modpack.

Containment Jars

Containment Jars don't exist in this version, so you'll need to contain mobs in a different way. If you have Create then their Seats work well.

Glyphs

1.16.5 has some glyphs that aren't in modern versions and there are plenty of glyphs that aren't available in 1.16.5, you'll need to check which glyphs you have available in order to try specific spells.

Knowledge

Glyphs are stored within the book in 1.16.5, not on the player themselves. If you lose your book, you lose all your glyphs. It's recommended to make a backup of your glyphs by scribing your glyphs into a novice spellbook.

Noticed a problem?

Please raise an issue with @upper rivet

vale drift
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This is me right now :

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For that ender chest strat

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I tried in singleplayer as well

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Merely entering the end will make the world instantly go into hard mode

granite lava
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oh.

vale drift
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Gah whatever

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Theres still some enchants I can work on right now to put on my saber

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That can effect Harm spell

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Cus right now this basic harm is all I can use

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Is there any way to make a spell that can make harm proc alot and fast

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Harm>delay>harm?

granite lava
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you can also amplify harm

vale drift
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Yes that too but wouldn't that cost alot of mana if I shove like maximum amp

deft heath
vale drift
cunning field
granite lava
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the issue is it becomes hardmode for everyone

cunning field
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Oh

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Shit

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Oki

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So maybe when most are offline?

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Anyways

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Old Ars may not be as powerful

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But it should still have some good effects

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Mainly snare

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I think most bosses should not be immune to it, so that should allow you to deal damage while protected from close range attacks

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For ranged attacks I suggest the use of touchsensitiveconjure_mageblockaoeaoe to block

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And for damage, maybe firework is still included in your version

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If not have a look for the shapers_focus

vale drift
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Max damage firework rockets still on the table

vale drift
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Ive completely forgotten how to make max damage fireworks

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Haven't made these in so so long

cunning field
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Paper + 7 stars + gunpowder

lyric belfry
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if you have create, as many as your crafter

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firework requires an offhand firework right

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too bad i cant make it not launch in my hands by mistake lol

deft heath
lyric belfry
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... i wonder how that would work with maids

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since they only have inventory

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probably just offhand reactive would be best, hmm

mossy peak
lyric belfry
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this wasnt about crossbows tho?

cunning field
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Does self{spell} with summon_focus propagate onto animate_block?

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We need to know

lyric belfry
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i know homing spell propagates into summoned mobs if :necromancy:

cunning field
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Yeah

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But the question is if blocklings count as summons?

cunning field
cunning field
granite lava
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Yeah but I hate animated blocks and they make a mess

cunning field
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True

lean geyser
vale drift
cunning field
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Just tested

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Hehe

deft heath
cunning field
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hohoho

vernal mountain
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wait, does animate_block have the same limitation as summon_decoy ? (you can only spawn one per spell effect?)

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cus if so...

cunning field
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Just tried cold_snapanimate_block

vernal mountain
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RECURSION MAGIC IS REAL!!!

cunning field
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It absofuckinglutely works

deft heath
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gman.

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don't

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bad idea

cunning field
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I already did

deft heath
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damn

cunning field
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Video is uploading

deft heath
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now-

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dare i say it

deft heath
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now cast self throngle

cunning field
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+444 summons in 1 tick!!!

deft heath
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also what a music taste

vernal mountain
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alright. time to cook

deft heath
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but actually this is insane

vernal mountain
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opening ars...

deft heath
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shame my laptop broke again lmao

cunning field
cunning field
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Come on

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Don't getyourself carried away with those mods

deft heath
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wha

deft heath
cunning field
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My guess is that you've been playing with fire, aka NEG

deft heath
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no its just broken

cunning field
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weh

deft heath
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the fan died

cunning field
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Again?

deft heath
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yes

cunning field
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How?

deft heath
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no clue

cunning field
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You had it fixed this summer

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FF

vernal mountain
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my mind is blown rn...

deft heath
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fall actually

cunning field
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oh yeah

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It took quite a while

deft heath
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yes

vernal mountain
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about to create some utterly apocalyptic spells with this one

cunning field
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hehe

deft heath
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wait

cunning field
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sadly the spell doesn't propagate to the blocklings

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I had to use burst to double summon

deft heath
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wdym

vernal mountain
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im on a testing world and my spells are propegating to the animated blocks

cunning field
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🌀cold_snapanimate_blockburstaoecold_snapanimate_block

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Usually when playing with the shapers_focus the rest of the spell props onto the conjured blocks or icicles

barren steppe
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oh god ok im interested

cunning field
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But since this transforms the blocks into summons, this doesn't apply

deft heath
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does this mean you can just spam selfburstsensitiveconjure_waterfreezecold_snapdelayduration_downanimate_block and obliterate any hardware ever

cunning field
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well yes

deft heath
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literally just cast this shit like 5 times and your pc should be grilled

cunning field
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But why use ice

lyric belfry
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server is grilled

cunning field
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You could just use conjure_mageblock

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and spare some slots

deft heath
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that too

lyric belfry
deft heath
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but slots don't need to be spared

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this is already enough

cunning field
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Oh true

deft heath
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we want some level of control lmao

cunning field
lyric belfry
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blockshaping is like the single wierdest focus ever

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like

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all other stuff is like

lyric belfry
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buffs to elemental[ars elemental] and water one gives you dolphins instead of horses

deft heath
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even better

vernal mountain
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HOLY COW MY GAME IS LAGGING FROM MY EXPERIMENTS

lyric belfry
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and then blockshaping exists with obsidian railgun

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also i underestimated that thing holy shit 68 damage

deft heath
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we exponential with it

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three casts?
one. hundred. million.

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you're welcome to test it out if you want ;D

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ngl ive tried worse

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probably why my laptop imploded

deft heath
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mhm

cunning field
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But you need the blockshaper to get cold_snapanimate_block

deft heath
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offhand focus.

cunning field
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But the summoner's to use self

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Nah

deft heath
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yes

cunning field
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That only works with elemental focci

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Just tested

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Also

deft heath
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sounds odd

vernal mountain
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Fractomancy. Recursion Magic. The forbidden arts.

cunning field
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Fast way to kill'em all: selfdispel

deft heath
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once you get past like 150k you can't really do anything to save yourself

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i will figure something out

cunning field
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weird

vernal mountain
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time to add Cataclysmic Creations to my "FORBIDDEN ARTS: ONLY USE IN CASE OF EMERGENCY" book

lyric belfry
cunning field
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I remembered orbitsensitive not targeting entities

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But it does

cunning field
deft heath
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welp

lyric belfry
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so more damage buffs right

deft heath
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#1019639765093589153 anyone?

lyric belfry
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idk what each elemental focci does tbh

cunning field
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Oh

lyric belfry
deft heath
lyric belfry
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it deals damage!!!! lolol

deft heath
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it uhhhh

vernal mountain
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you equip the elemental foci to boost your stats. you equip block/summon to break the game

lyric belfry
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i only know water focci summons a dolphin

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thats it

deft heath
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fire one gives fire immunity i think

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and uh

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uhh

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idk

vernal mountain
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pretty sure they boost the damage/effects of spells of their school

deft heath
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yes probably

vernal mountain
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fire burns longer, ice freezes better, launch lauches higher

lyric belfry
vernal mountain
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blockshaping is by far my favorite focus

deft heath
lyric belfry
vernal mountain
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yeah they do that too

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the earth one is extra spicy as it turns gravity into a black hole

deft heath
lyric belfry
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yoo

lyric belfry
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idk what other interactions tbh

cunning field
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Talking now from my phone cuz I broke my pc

deft heath
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welcome to the club

cunning field
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Just used 🌀cold_snapanimate_blockorbitcold_snapanimate_blockorbitfreezecold_snapanimate_block

deft heath
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oh yes of course an extremely normal spell

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i would like to note that in some ways the effects of a block shapers focus can be replicated using propagate overhead

cunning field
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Apparently the second orbit requires the freeze cuz the first orbit props this onto the blocklings which don't have the chilling thread

cunning field
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Oh

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It unfroze

deft heath
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fun

cunning field
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Okay...

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So

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How tf?

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11k?

deft heath
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do i have to do the math

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if every orbit hit it should've done 197k

cunning field
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Erm

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Something feels off

turbid oriole
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Idea: use this to make a lore-accurate nuclear weapon.

deft heath
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well that's obvious

cunning field
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🌀cold_snapanimate_blockorbitcold_snapanimate_block - 77
🌀cold_snapanimate_blockorbitfreezecold_snapanimate_block - 1274

deft heath
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That looks right

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77x28 (cold snap propagation) id about 2000 and orbit is just silly like that

cunning field
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but cold_snapanimate_block does 27

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The first one makes sense

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It's cold_snapanimate_block times 4

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More or less

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Okay

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I think I got it

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Somehow in 🌀cold_snapanimate_blockorbitignite the orbitignite props onto all blocklings
But in 🌀cold_snapanimate_blockignite the ignite doesn't

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Oh

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I may have an explanation

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Yep

cunning field
# cunning field I may have an explanation

So...
When casting cold_snapanimate_block:

  • The icicles are killed and in their place, blocklings are summoned
  • With their entity dead, all effects are lost
  • But the orbits remain where the icicles one stood
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I think I gotta create a propagation theoricrafting thread, just to remember all of these methods

cunning field
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Thx

turbid oriole
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You’re the one who made it.

granite lava
granite lava
granite lava
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wow i'd pin this if I could

oak nimbus
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Pft, I break the game just fine before any of those.

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You equip them to break it harder.

vale drift
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Another fun spell

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I wonder if that ones available for me or if I'm still funlocked in 1.16

oak nimbus
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Funlocked, alas.

vale drift
wind cypress
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what are you on about

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decoy doesn't have a summoning sickness cooldown in 1.16.5 ?

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so like

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you can spam

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with

vale drift
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Oh yeah

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And then just like

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Self>explosion

potent mica
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Oof

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🤔 or self>throngle 😅

granite lava
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can't throngle in 1.16.5

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Also self throngle would just kill you

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Because you are still throngling yourself

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You wouldn't even make it to that point actually, since you'd crash and brick your world

potent mica
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All you'd have to do is find a way to survive the throngle and I believe you become the throngle

vale drift
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Becoming the throngle

lyric belfry
turbid oriole
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Belt of levitation:

lyric belfry
turbid oriole
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Make you float.

lyric belfry
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that still wouldnt make you immune to throngle or explosion, tho?

vale drift
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Sacrifices must be made for utter destruction

lyric belfry
vale drift
granite lava
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this spell with t3 thread of shocking creates forest fires
edit: to clarify i fired this from an enchanters crossbow with a split arrow

cunning field
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Also

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If you'd like to spread the fire, try adding a prop.arc

granite lava
cunning field
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oh

granite lava
cunning field
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lol

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btw, we discovered that animate_block have no cooldown and can be obtained from cold_snapanimate_block

granite lava
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i was trying to figure out ways to make og prismatic wrath actually useful

granite lava
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its flashier than it is actually useful

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for the mana cost

cunning field
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hmm

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yeah

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Well

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I once got like 11k summons

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So adding some explosion may make this the most powerful wrath of god

granite lava
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yeah but wrath of god also has the same problem

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idk just a little boomed about it

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i might focus more on contraptions in the future

lyric belfry
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what can one achieve without animated blocks hto

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seemsl iek a common glyph to be banned

static zenith
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peak

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so i can get 4x the animated blocks from one ice block

cunning field
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As far as I'm aware, yes

static zenith
potent mica
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🤔 My gut says that the block shaping focus would be involved

vernal mountain
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in packs with two focus slots and/or a curio slot, simulmancers are unstoppable

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self ⛓️ freeze cold_snap animate_block

potent mica
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but server lives matter 🤣

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does echoing trail have an fun simulmancy shenanigan's? 🤔

lyric belfry
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idk

sonic adder
vernal mountain
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any curio

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and focuses are curios

sonic adder
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idk what classifies as a curio

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ah.

vernal mountain
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basically, everything can be put in a curio slot

sonic adder
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i think the modpack im playing has 4 curio slots

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o no

vernal mountain
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belts, necklaces, rings, focuses, irons spellbooks, relics, quivers, backpacks, basically anything that has its own slot

potent mica
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there is also a difference between a "curio" slot and a slot in the curio menu... :/

vernal mountain
potent mica
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agreed

static zenith
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for someone to wear 15 earthf ocuses

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and then do a single proj harm

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along with earth bangles and a drygmy

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and a thread of spell power

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(hear me out guys what if this actually does damage)

potent mica
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Nah multiple block shapers 😳 now that's scary

granite lava
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pretty crummy simulmancy

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anyone who messages in here without saying something actually interesting will earn my scorn

deft heath
potent mica
vernal mountain
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i would only do such a heinous action on a singleplayer world

static zenith
long minnow
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I have been reading simulmancy as "stimulancy" all this time.

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No wonder it sounded weird.

cunning field
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Oh yes, the art of pleasure

turbid oriole
long minnow
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I feel like it does lol

turbid oriole
long minnow
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Hmm

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Went right over my head lol

turbid oriole
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Well obviously; I didn’t put 🌀 sensitive on it.

sterile token
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What glyph does 🌀 represent

long minnow
sterile token
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Thx

granite lava
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Fun fact: this thread was originally supposed to be a spell showcase, and was called "Sad Man's Parade", after Twice's Quirk from MHA.

deft heath
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yuh